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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: Ruby Frankie, the disgraced online influencer with eight million followers

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Speaker 2: listening to her as she doles out advice on parenting.

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Speaker 2: That is until she's convicted of starving and beating and

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Speaker 2: torturing her children. Now, of course the husband got a

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Speaker 2: divorce over her treatment of the children. But where was

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Speaker 2: he doing all this? How come he's not charged? I'm

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Speaker 2: just curious. But remember she had a partner, a partner

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Speaker 2: in crime, Jody Hildebrant was basically her co anchor on

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Speaker 2: the series called eight Passengers. Boy, they were making a

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Speaker 2: mint off that and the whole time abusing their children. Well,

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Speaker 2: in the last hours we learn Jody Hildebrant's sprawling Utah

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Speaker 2: desert mansion goes on the market for five million dollars,

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Speaker 2: including the evil so called Panic Room where Ruby Frankie's

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Speaker 2: starving children were tortured. Curious viewers are racing to tour

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Speaker 2: the House of horrors, all pretending they're interested in buying it.

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Speaker 2: Who would want to buy a home where children were tortured?

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Speaker 2: I mean to see, Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank

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Speaker 2: you for being with us here at Crime Stories. Ruby

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Speaker 2: Frankie and Jody Hildebrant. May they both wrought in hell.

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Speaker 2: Of course they've got a little pit stop at the penitentiary.

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Speaker 2: In the last days, Jody Hildebrant's desert fortress reduced.

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Speaker 1: In value to less than five million dollars.

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Speaker 2: It's got fifteen feet ceilings, a beautiful pool, an outdoor spa,

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Speaker 2: and aom. And you couldn't give it to me on

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Speaker 2: a silver platter on top of a Christmas tree. No,

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Speaker 2: thank you, keep it. Frankie and Hildebrant both pled guilty

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Speaker 2: to aggravated child abuse a couple of months ago, and

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Speaker 2: now this mansion on the market. I really think the

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Speaker 2: proceeds need to go to the children victims. It's a

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Speaker 2: four bedroom mansion and I call it a fortress because

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Speaker 2: it kind of blends in with a desert. About ten

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Speaker 2: thousand square feet. Was originally listed for five point three

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Speaker 2: nobody wants to touch it with a ten foot pole.

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Speaker 2: It was from this mansion that Ruby Frankie's emaciated, starving

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Speaker 2: little twelve year old boy escaped, running to a nearby home,

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Speaker 2: leading police back to Hildebrandt's home to find the little

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Speaker 2: sister slumped over, starved inside a closet.

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Speaker 3: Let's kick it off with our friends at ABC.

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Speaker 4: Arrest documents saying the child escaped to a neighbor's home.

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Speaker 4: The twelve year old child described by that neighbor in

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Speaker 4: a phone call to police as emaciated and malnourished with

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Speaker 4: open wounds four documents, also describing deep lacerations from being

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Speaker 4: tied up with a rope.

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Speaker 5: About the phone their back at the homeless bum.

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Speaker 6: Police say they also found Frankie's ten year old daughter malnourished.

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Speaker 6: Frankie is known for her strict parenting advice to millions

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Speaker 7: Police say a clearly malnourished twelve year old child crawled

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Speaker 7: out of the window of Hildebrand's Ivans Area home. A

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Speaker 7: neighbor called nine one one when he showed up at

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Speaker 7: their house asking for food and water. Officers say his

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Speaker 7: wrists were duct taped, he had wounds from being tied

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Speaker 7: up across his body. Investigators say they found a ten

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Speaker 7: year old girl inside the same house who was also malnourished.

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Speaker 2: You're also hearing our friends at KASL, so we have

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Speaker 2: at least one child who had apparently just turned twelve,

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Speaker 2: crawling out the window of the family home starved. And

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Speaker 2: believe you me, if you haven't ever seen it, I hope.

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Speaker 3: You never do.

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Speaker 2: I pray to God you never do, because when you

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Speaker 2: see a child that has been starved as I have, it's.

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Speaker 3: Something you never forget.

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Speaker 2: I remember when I was going to South Carolina just

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Speaker 2: recovered the Alex Mardog double murder trial. I passed a

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Speaker 2: Aruba with Natalie Holloway's mother just recently to try to

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Speaker 2: island where the lighthouse is, there was a pack of dogs,

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Speaker 2: that their ribs were poking out, and it just I've

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Speaker 2: thought about them over and over and over, and when

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Speaker 2: much less the children that I saw that way. As

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Speaker 2: a prosecutor, and not just once, over and over and

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Speaker 2: over food deprivation, starving your child. I think about this

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Speaker 2: child has been tied up. And then we learn that

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Speaker 3: Who and the hell is the mommy? Who and the

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Speaker 3: hell is the dad.

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Speaker 2: That would do this to their children? Well, I hope

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Speaker 2: you're sitting down, take a listen to our friends at GMA.

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Speaker 6: A Utah mom influencer arrested facing six felony counts of

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Speaker 6: aggravated child abuse for the first time. We're hearing emergency

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Speaker 6: he allegedly escaped through a window.

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Speaker 8: And now does have got favor out with the uncle.

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Speaker 9: He's not telling up the.

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Speaker 2: With me, An all Star panel to make sense of

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Speaker 2: what we know right now. But first I want to

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Speaker 2: go to investigative reporter with TSL dot com out of Utah.

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Speaker 2: Emily Ashcraft is with us. Emily, thank you for being

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Speaker 2: with us.

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Speaker 1: Who is this woman?

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Speaker 2: And we're hearing a lot about the mom, But as

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Speaker 2: far as I'm concerned, the father hen goes straight to

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Speaker 2: hell too.

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Speaker 3: But first tell me who is she?

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Speaker 9: She is a family YouTuber blogger and the family actually

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Speaker 9: it's it's YouTube channel faded out or stopped recently and

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Speaker 9: she started up another YouTube channel ler as a counselor instead.

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Speaker 8: Of a mom.

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Speaker 9: What is eight Passengers, so that that's the family's YouTube channel,

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Speaker 9: and you know she said in an article KSL wrote

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Speaker 9: wanted other moms who were kind of starting out with

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Speaker 9: infants to see what it's like to have kids that

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Speaker 9: are getting older. Kind of the rewards of motherhood is

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Speaker 9: what she wanted to show off in her in the

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Speaker 9: eight Passengers YouTube channel.

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Speaker 2: Ruby Ranky YouTuber mom of six Ruby rankye fr nke.

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Speaker 3: How many followers? I understand?

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Speaker 2: Over two point two million subscribers to eight Passengers channel.

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Speaker 9: That's the numbers that I've seen as well.

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Speaker 2: Okay, who in the hay is drinking the kool aid?

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Speaker 3: That's what I want to know.

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Speaker 2: And I want to go now to Donna Kelly, former

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Speaker 2: Utah Senior Deputy District Attorney and lawyer for Crime Victims

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Speaker 2: Legal Clinic.

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Speaker 3: Donna, thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 2: And I've seen this over and over and over. It's

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Speaker 2: not just a story. It's not something we're reporting on.

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Speaker 2: It's not some fiction or TV made for TV movie.

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Speaker 2: Not only do you have the parents abusing the child horribly,

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Speaker 2: but people around them, they know what's happening.

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Speaker 3: And they do nothing. What is wrong with these people?

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's not as if this just happened and

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Speaker 2: they suddenly see, oh, the child has bruises all over

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Speaker 3: That's suspicious. They're starved, they're starved.

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Speaker 2: That takes a long period of time, Donna Kelly, and

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Speaker 11: Yes it does.

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Speaker 12: And unfortunately, many abusers are have the mindset that they

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Speaker 12: work hard at portraying themselves as you know, the good parent,

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Speaker 12: the parent you go to when you need advice. That

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Speaker 12: type of thing is not uncommon, and so that appears

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Speaker 12: to be what's going on here is that this particular

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Speaker 12: set of parents decided that they were going to portray

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Speaker 12: to the world, and apparently a lot, at least two

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Speaker 2: Guys, I just wanted to hear something. Take a listen

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Speaker 2: to our friends at Fox thirteen.

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Speaker 13: Independent journalist and YouTuber Katie Paulson tracks child abuse cases.

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Speaker 13: She says Frankie's YouTube channel eight passengers caught her attention.

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Speaker 14: And she was saying how she would send her daughter

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Speaker 13: She recalls another time when Frankie's son openly talked about

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Speaker 13: his punishment on the channel.

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Speaker 14: He was talking about how he had been sleeping on

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Speaker 2: That child had a sleep on a bean bag chair

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Speaker 2: for seven plus months for pulling a prank on his brother,

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Speaker 2: A prank I might add, that didn't even cause any

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Speaker 2: physical harm.

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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: I'm taking a look right now at Jody Hildebrandt's Utah mansion.

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Speaker 2: It's now on the blot for around five million. The

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Speaker 1: It's huge.

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Speaker 2: It was here that Hildebrant and the mommy blogger Ruby

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Speaker 2: Frankie held Frankie's children captive while they starved and tortured them.

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Speaker 2: I can see in the distance the nearest home and

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Speaker 2: this little boy starved twelve years old, covered in bruises

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Speaker 2: The guy who called nine one one actually broke down

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Speaker 2: and the little boy had to run through cactus barefoot

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Speaker 2: Hildebrandt and Frankie sitting all dressed up with her hair

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Speaker 2: here we've got a mom starving the children and bragging

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Speaker 2: about it online. What I also don't understand. To doctor

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Speaker 2: Dana Anderson, forensic psychologist and consultant, you can find her

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Speaker 2: at psychologydoctor dot com. She's bad enough but who are

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Speaker 2: the two point two million people that an ad to

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Speaker 15: Well, I can tell you I certainly wasn't tuning in.

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Speaker 15: I'd never even heard of Ruby frank until this came up.

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Speaker 15: But what's more deplorables her sidekick Jodie Hildebrandt, who's a

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Speaker 8: The whole time.

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Speaker 2: Two point two million people following this witch straight from hell.

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Speaker 2: I want you to hear more of what we have learned.

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Speaker 2: Take a listen to our friends at Fox thirteen.

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Speaker 13: Diane Nevins remembers being horrified at what she was watching

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Speaker 16: It was kind of like every video there was something

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Speaker 1: Her son couldn't walk.

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Speaker 16: From until he was like two and a half years old,

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Speaker 16: and she never got any help. And she admitted that

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Speaker 16: she had a one point he'd fallen off the couch

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Speaker 16: or she dropped him. He had got no no physical

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Speaker 13: Nevins says when she commented her concerns, she was blocked

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Speaker 2: What exactly to Emily Askroff, joining us investigative reporter for

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Speaker 2: KSL dot com, What was found in the home after

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Speaker 2: the neighbor has to call nine one one when she

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Speaker 2: gets a twelve year old little boy who says his

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Speaker 2: I'm letting the husband off, Oh no, I'm.

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Speaker 2: This woman actually has a YouTube channel where she dispenses advice.

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Speaker 3: House of Horrors. Yes, the evil Turpin parents.

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Speaker 18: Okay, I lived in a family of fifteen people, and

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Speaker 18: They're changed up to their bed.

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Speaker 19: the author of the children's book A Real Friend. It

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Speaker 2: See the connection I'm making right there. You've got this

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Speaker 2: They're tied up with duct tape. When cops get there,

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Speaker 3: You know what makes Ruby.

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Speaker 2: Frank different from the Turpin mom. Ruby Frankie is glamorous. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: listen to doctor free has joining us pediatrician, pediatric emergency

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Speaker 2: medicine expert, child safety expert, and you can find doctor

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Speaker 2: free has at pdmom dot com. Let me spell that

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Speaker 2: it doesn't look like it sounds. It's like attrition p

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Speaker 2: thank you for being with us. What this woman has

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Speaker 2: is hair and makeup. That's what makes her different from

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Speaker 8: Yeah, and that's actually a very big misconception that a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, you think you know your neighbor, you

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Speaker 2: private investigator, owner of Jensen Private Investigations, co founder of

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Speaker 11: What do you have to say, Well, Nancy, there's a

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Speaker 5: Kids wants to show off to the world how to

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Speaker 2: Now, this ten thousand square foot home that has just

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Speaker 2: Police found a mix of cayenne, hot pepper and honey

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Speaker 2: Oh man, I wonder if that's what Satan's going to

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Speaker 1: What more do we know?

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Speaker 3: Guys?

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Speaker 2: When someone did try to speak out against Ruby Frankie,

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Speaker 14: They always say, if you see something, say something, and

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Speaker 9: Yeah, they went to the home to talk about those

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Speaker 3: How is that? Okay?

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Speaker 2: Take a listen hour cut twenty two. This is Ruby

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Speaker 20: Russell got the big bedroom and Check got the smaller bedroom.

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Speaker 20: We took the phone away from Abby in November and

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Speaker 8: Yeah. Absolutely. You don't get to move seeded by missing

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Speaker 2: But there's a certain amount of bragging, of bravado, of joviality,

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Speaker 10: I just got a text message from Eve's teacher and

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Speaker 10: This happens quite often when you're having raising children, because

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Speaker 10: But I responded and just said, Eve is responsible for

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Speaker 2: And isn't it true that at that time, Emily Ashcroft

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Speaker 2: not pack her own lunch.

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Speaker 8: She changed said that.

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Speaker 2: She knew it would ease the teacher's discomfort if her

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Speaker 2: child had food. What about the child? What about the

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Speaker 2: child discomfort? That's not all take a listen to our

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Speaker 2: cuts twenty seven to twenty eight more of Ruby Frankie.

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Speaker 20: Kevin and I we have six children, the two youngest

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Speaker 20: are showing long patterns of selfishness. They have been showing

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Speaker 20: through their choices, their unwillingness to repent, their unwillingness to

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Speaker 20: feel sorrow over some pretty egregious choices that they've made.

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Speaker 20: So Kevin and I have decided that we are going

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Speaker 20: to give the gift of truth to them this year

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Speaker 20: for Christmas. We are having to give them the gift

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Speaker 20: of boundaries, and we're going to give them the gift

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Speaker 20: of repentance. So we sat down with them and we

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Speaker 20: let them know how deeply sorrowful we've been because of

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Speaker 20: the choices that they have been making, and how it's

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Speaker 20: affected their teachers at school, it's affected their peers, it's

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Speaker 20: affected in our home, the siblings, and we just laid

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Speaker 20: it out very clear, and we told them that this

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Speaker 20: year they are not going to be visited by Santo.

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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: You know what, I wouldn't take this, as I said,

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Speaker 2: on a silver platter, this home, this five million dollars

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Speaker 2: so called fortress. It's in a sleepy little community and

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Speaker 2: very very upscale homes all around it. It's got this

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Speaker 2: gorgeous mahogany front door, skylights, fifteen foot ceilings, beautiful views

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Speaker 2: of a desert landscape. And this is a kitchen a

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Speaker 2: lot of women would kill. Four double ovens, top of

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Speaker 2: the line appliances, gorgeous marbletop counters, a stainless steel sink,

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Speaker 2: a butler's pantry with its own dishwasher, fridge, and microwave.

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Speaker 2: The primary bedroom has a fireplace, a walk in closet, washer, dryer,

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Speaker 2: a soaking tub, a steam room, good gravy. The lower

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Speaker 2: level has another full size kitchen, a home theater, a

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Speaker 2: family room, pull spa fire pit, outdoor kitchen, five car garage.

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Speaker 2: You know, it makes me wonder why are rich people

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Speaker 2: so miserable and so darn me? I don't get it.

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Speaker 2: Police recovered knotted ropes from a drawer in the panic room.

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Speaker 2: Metal chains connecting to a set of handcuffs were tied

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Speaker 2: to one end. All this money and this beautiful desert mansion,

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Speaker 2: and this is what they did with their blessings. The

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Speaker 2: man that called nine one one described the little boy

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Speaker 2: as emaciated, and he and his wife were all offering

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Speaker 2: the little boy water and fruit. The little twelve year

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Speaker 2: old told police he tried to get away a month earlier,

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Speaker 2: and his mother then bound his wrists and ankles with handcuffs.

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Speaker 2: There was a malnourished, starving little girl whose head had

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Speaker 2: been shaved, sitting cross legged in a closet. Police finally

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Speaker 2: got her out of the closet after four hours of

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Speaker 2: begging and cajoling, culminating in the officers ordering her pizza.

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Speaker 2: I think that's how they finally got her out. The

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Speaker 2: little thing was so starved she wouldn't come out, but

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Speaker 2: when she smelled the pizza, it's my understanding she came out.

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Speaker 2: These children were forced to work in oppressive desert heat

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Speaker 2: for hours with practically no food or water. The little

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Speaker 2: twelve year old boy was so badly sunburnt for weeks

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Speaker 2: out in the sun without any suntan protection. We now

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Speaker 2: know Frankie and Hildebrant routinely withheld food while crime scene photos.

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Speaker 2: Oh this makes me sick just to say it. The

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Speaker 2: crime scene photos shows a pantry full of snacks and food.

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Speaker 2: I've looked at the crime scene photos and the photos

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Speaker 2: of the children. The photos look like those horrible photos

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Speaker 2: of Holocaust victims that were starving, badly, badly, malnourished, all

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Speaker 2: starving to death. Now I'm looking at the oh gosh,

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Speaker 2: the pantry. It's full of belonging food stuffs tied with ribbons,

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Speaker 2: like they were bought at a specialty store. Cake mixes, honey, nestle, quick,

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Speaker 2: just all sorts of things on the very top shelf,

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Speaker 2: pie feelings. There's some Duncan hinds cake icing. But not

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Speaker 2: for these children, Not for these children. They didn't get anything.

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Speaker 2: That little children, Russell and Eve, two of them, were

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Speaker 2: told that they were possessed and that the punishments their

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Speaker 2: own mother gave them were quote necessary to repent. That's

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Speaker 2: not anything I've ever read in the New Testament. The

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Speaker 2: women regularly tried to indoctrinate the twelve year old litle

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Speaker 2: boy to convince him he was evil and that the

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Speaker 2: abuse was quote acts of love. What more do we know?

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Speaker 20: This year? They are not going to be visited by Santa.

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Speaker 20: We let them know that Christmas morning, therefore, older siblings

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Speaker 20: will be getting Christmas presents to open, and that they

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Speaker 20: will have the gift of love from their dad tonight.

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Speaker 2: Okay, let's just examine what we just heard. Donna Kelly

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Speaker 2: joining me, former Utah Senior Deputy District Attorney.

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Speaker 3: Donna.

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Speaker 2: She says, the youngest two, which I believe to be

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Speaker 2: around the ages of six and seven, were unwilling to

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Speaker 2: quote repent. So therefore, while all the other children were

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Speaker 2: visited by Santa, the two little ones were not because

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Speaker 2: they would not quote repent. I didn't make that up,

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Speaker 2: she said that. And after you speak, I'm going to

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Speaker 2: need a.

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Speaker 3: Shrink on this. Go ahead, Donna Kelly.

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Speaker 2: And Donna, I know you've seen this, as have I,

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Speaker 2: where one or more children are picked out as the targets.

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Speaker 2: Although I think all of these children have been abuse

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Speaker 2: and mistreated, seemingly, one usually is picked out as the

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Speaker 2: most despised and hated, and they're tortured more than anyone else.

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Speaker 2: These two children, as they watch their sisters and brothers

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Speaker 2: get Christmas Morning surprises, they get nothing. And then there

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Speaker 2: are two children that are bound with duct tape and

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Speaker 2: ropes and starved. I just want to get my hands

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Speaker 2: around this woman's neck. Then not only does she do

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Speaker 2: this to her children behind closed doors, she brags about

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Speaker 2: it on a YouTube channel that is two point two

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Speaker 2: million followers.

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Speaker 12: It's just absolutely heartbreaking to listen to her to portray

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Speaker 12: herself as the victim. You know, we told these two

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Speaker 12: children that their dad and I were very sorrowful, and

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Speaker 12: so she's portraying herself as the victim, which is a

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Speaker 12: very common abuser tech, you know, gaslighting the victim. And

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Speaker 12: these are children. They need to learn by trial and

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Speaker 12: error as they go along, and the parents need to

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Speaker 12: be responding to them in that way, in a kind

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Speaker 12: and loving way, And it's just absolutely heartbreaking. I can

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Speaker 12: see why they were charged with severe emotional harm of

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Speaker 12: these two children. In the charging document, they're charged with

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Speaker 12: not only torture maltrition, but also severe emotional harm, which

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Speaker 12: it absolutely is.

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Speaker 2: To doctor Dana Anderson, forensic psychologist and consultant, what do

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Speaker 2: you make of the other children, four of them getting

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Speaker 2: all their Christmas gifts from Santa and these two being

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Speaker 2: left out on Christmas morning one of the biggest days,

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Speaker 2: one of the two biggest days in the Christian year,

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Speaker 2: that being Christmas and Easter, and they're left out because

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Speaker 2: they wouldn't quote repent.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, she wants to make an example out of them,

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Speaker 15: punish them, humiliate, them. You know, it's all this sort

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Speaker 15: of brainwashing, gas lightingness.

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Speaker 2: On a six year old, gaslighting, manipulating, abusing a six

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Speaker 2: year old child and her brother. So let me understand something.

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Speaker 2: The Emily Ashcroft, the six year old child that had

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Speaker 2: food withheld, would that be the now ten year old

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Speaker 2: child left behind in the home, starving and tied up

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Speaker 2: when the.

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Speaker 3: Twelve year old brother escapes through the window.

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Speaker 9: That would be that that same child.

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Speaker 2: So this has been going on since the little girl

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Speaker 2: was six and the little boy was eight.

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Speaker 9: One of the things that Ruby Frankie said after her

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Speaker 9: arrest was that those children weren't fit to be around

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Speaker 9: other children. And I'm not sure what she means by that,

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Speaker 9: but it seemed like it was specific to those two guys.

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Speaker 3: Take a listen at our cut thirty.

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Speaker 1: Portraying him stop it.

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Speaker 20: I know you're not, but it looks like you are.

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Speaker 10: I'm only gonna say it one more time, and then

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Speaker 10: you're gonna lose the privilege to eat dinner.

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Speaker 3: Okay. I hear the laughter.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what's going on, but I also hear

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Speaker 2: you're gonna lose the privilege of eating dinner. I hear

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Speaker 2: Ruby Frankie saying that now the daughter Sherry has something

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Speaker 2: to say. Take a listen to our cut twenty Box thirteen.

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Speaker 13: Frank's oldest daughter, Sherry frank who is twenty years old,

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Speaker 13: posted to her public Instagram today a photo of police

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Speaker 13: with the caption Finally, she added another story, saying, me

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Speaker 13: and my family are so glad justice is being served.

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Speaker 13: We've been trying to tell the police and CPS for

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Speaker 13: years about this and so glad they finally decided to

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Speaker 13: step up. Kids are safe, but there's a long road ahead.

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Speaker 13: Please keep them in your prayers and also respect their privacy.

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Speaker 13: As of now, four children have been taken into custody

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Speaker 13: of Child and Family Services.

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Speaker 2: Guys, there's another person arrested. Take a list Our cut

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Speaker 2: eighteen Fox thirteen.

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Speaker 13: Eight passengers was taken down earlier this year, and that's

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Speaker 13: when Frankie partnered with Jody Hildebrandt, a licensed therapist, in

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Speaker 13: a channel called Connections, where they gave parenting and life advice.

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Speaker 13: Here they are pictured in Hildebrant's home, the same place

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Speaker 13: Frankie's son escaped from and where her daughter was found

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Speaker 13: being held captive in the basement.

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Speaker 14: It's heartbreaking and I think it's heartbreaking for the community

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Speaker 14: that watched this family knew that something was wrong.

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Speaker 2: So people watched the family and knew something was wrong

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Speaker 2: and did nothing. In the last hours, we learn Jodie

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Speaker 2: Hildebrant's sprawling Utah desert mansion goes on the market for

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Speaker 2: five million dollars, including the evil so called panic room

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Speaker 2: where Ruby Frankie's starving children were tortured. I hope every

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Speaker 2: penny from the sale of this home goes to these

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Speaker 2: child victims. We wait as justice un faults. Goodbye friends,