WEBVTT - Who is The Man of the Hole? 0:00:01.120 --> 0:00:04.560 Welcome to Stuff you should know from how Stuff Works 0:00:04.600 --> 0:00:13.760 dot com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark, 0:00:13.840 --> 0:00:19.760 and there's Charles W. Chuck Bryant, there's Jerry Jerome Roland. Boy, 0:00:19.840 --> 0:00:22.560 I'm not in a good way today, Chuck, you off 0:00:22.600 --> 0:00:28.840 your game, as if you can't tell I think you're fine. Well, thanks, man, 0:00:28.840 --> 0:00:32.800 I feel a lot better. Uh yeah, no, I'm okay. 0:00:33.200 --> 0:00:37.120 I can tell you. I'm I'm surrounded by friends, family, 0:00:38.640 --> 0:00:43.080 like your dad's corner. It's I have the idea I 0:00:43.120 --> 0:00:47.360 have TV. Oh. Man. I instagrammed a photo of my 0:00:47.440 --> 0:00:52.720 mom and dad from the seventies. Yeah, and um, I 0:00:52.840 --> 0:00:55.600 captioned it, They're like looking at each other kind of lovingly. 0:00:56.120 --> 0:00:59.800 And I captioned it, um, the moment before I was conceived. 0:01:00.720 --> 0:01:03.720 You know what Jerry showed me that today. Oh yeah, 0:01:03.760 --> 0:01:07.920 she did. I look a lot like my parents mixed together. Huh. Well. 0:01:07.959 --> 0:01:11.199 The first thing I noticed was like, Wow, that's that's 0:01:11.240 --> 0:01:13.000 what Josh would have looked like as a grown man 0:01:13.040 --> 0:01:16.720 in the nineteen seventies. Because that profile of your dad, 0:01:16.760 --> 0:01:19.119 I was, I was, I don't know, I've never seen 0:01:19.120 --> 0:01:21.080 your dad young. So I was like, man, that's really 0:01:21.640 --> 0:01:26.720 that's you. Yeah, yeah, I totally saw it. I saw both. Yeah. Yeah, 0:01:26.760 --> 0:01:28.479 Because you look at my dad, You're like, oh, that's Josh. 0:01:28.520 --> 0:01:29.760 But then you look at my mom You're like, oh, 0:01:29.800 --> 0:01:33.319 there's there's Josh too. Very bizarre. Yeah I don't. I 0:01:33.319 --> 0:01:37.600 guess I definitely favored my father. Um. Yeah, so a 0:01:37.640 --> 0:01:39.760 lot of people just favored favorite one or the other. 0:01:39.800 --> 0:01:47.319 But I'm fifty fifty. That's what we call you all fifty. Yeah. 0:01:47.520 --> 0:01:51.800 I think that's a new one. There's a T shirt. Yeah, 0:01:52.200 --> 0:01:56.120 um so, oh, I know the point I was making. 0:01:56.880 --> 0:01:59.800 There's this how Stuff Works article that you sent called 0:01:59.800 --> 0:02:02.840 them and in the Whole, and it talks about this 0:02:02.880 --> 0:02:06.560 guy who is the last of his kind. He's as 0:02:06.680 --> 0:02:10.440 as this article put it, like the loneliest person on earth. 0:02:11.080 --> 0:02:13.120 And I was like, yeah, I mean, I'm sure there's 0:02:13.120 --> 0:02:15.880 a lot like being in solitary confinement or something like that, 0:02:16.160 --> 0:02:18.720 but no, this is way beyond that. And this how 0:02:18.760 --> 0:02:23.360 Stuff Works article by j Lynn Shields like really drove 0:02:23.400 --> 0:02:26.160 at home. She wrote, like, what if you were the 0:02:26.240 --> 0:02:30.000 last person who could speak your language, the last person 0:02:30.040 --> 0:02:34.240 who remembered what Halloween was, or a Coca cola, or 0:02:34.240 --> 0:02:38.160 that a dog says Wolf, like, imagine that, and I'm like, yeah, 0:02:38.160 --> 0:02:41.919 that's way different from being in solitary. Solitary confinement would 0:02:41.960 --> 0:02:45.639 be bad enough. You know, you're physically restrained, but at 0:02:45.720 --> 0:02:49.160 least you know out there that there are other people 0:02:49.280 --> 0:02:53.320 who know the same things you know, that speak the 0:02:53.360 --> 0:02:56.079 same language you speak, that your family is still out there, 0:02:56.120 --> 0:02:59.440 that kind of thing. This is utterly different. And this man, 0:03:00.280 --> 0:03:02.520 the last Tribesman he's called, or the man in the whole, 0:03:03.240 --> 0:03:07.960 is possibly not just the the last of his kind. 0:03:08.440 --> 0:03:12.000 He might be the only person on the entire planet 0:03:12.400 --> 0:03:17.200 in the situation that he's in. Maybe isn't that bizarre 0:03:17.280 --> 0:03:20.280 to think? Yeah, I mean we did a uh we 0:03:20.320 --> 0:03:22.760 did another show on are Their Undiscovered People quite a 0:03:22.800 --> 0:03:25.400 few years back and a deaf. I don't know how 0:03:25.400 --> 0:03:27.640 he didn't get to this guy, but I saw this 0:03:27.760 --> 0:03:30.840 article and it it was striking, especially if you've seen 0:03:31.240 --> 0:03:34.160 the couple of videos, and I think there are only 0:03:34.160 --> 0:03:37.480 two pieces of video of this dude. One I saw 0:03:37.560 --> 0:03:40.440 where they were sort of shooting, you know, they were 0:03:40.520 --> 0:03:43.320 zoomed in on a hut and that's you know, where 0:03:43.360 --> 0:03:47.040 he lives. There's a series of thatched huts in the 0:03:47.160 --> 0:03:54.320 uh Tanaru Indigenous Reserve in the Rondonia state of Brazil. Yeah, 0:03:54.960 --> 0:03:59.840 about acres big area of the forest in jungle. So 0:04:00.360 --> 0:04:03.840 he lives in these thatched huts that are scattered about 0:04:03.840 --> 0:04:06.320 in the middle of nowhere, and they were able to 0:04:06.320 --> 0:04:08.400 get him on film kind of zoomed in between the 0:04:08.440 --> 0:04:10.960 cracks and you see the guy kind of looking a 0:04:10.960 --> 0:04:12.640 little bit, but you can't make out much. So I 0:04:12.640 --> 0:04:15.960 saw that video and then I saw another one where 0:04:16.640 --> 0:04:18.479 it was a pretty good shot of him from a 0:04:18.520 --> 0:04:22.000 distance making good work trying to chop down a tree. 0:04:23.120 --> 0:04:27.000 That was the most recent video, right, which, uh, well, 0:04:27.040 --> 0:04:29.320 let's just go ahead and get into this. He was 0:04:29.440 --> 0:04:35.480 found or discovered and I think nineteen when some loggers 0:04:36.320 --> 0:04:41.200 uh from the state of Rondonia, which from the impression 0:04:41.240 --> 0:04:44.560 I have, this is a very rough and tumble state 0:04:44.920 --> 0:04:49.200 populated by loggers and cattle ranchers and um there are 0:04:49.279 --> 0:04:52.000 very few laws from what I understand, and things are 0:04:52.360 --> 0:04:55.279 settled by the gun. Is the impression that I have 0:04:55.320 --> 0:04:58.200 of Rondonia. It's right smack dab in the middle of 0:04:58.279 --> 0:05:03.360 South America, and it's extraordinarily densely jungle in the Amazon. Yeah, 0:05:03.360 --> 0:05:06.080 I mean that one new York Times article, like the 0:05:06.120 --> 0:05:08.840 guy was talking that they were talking to said, from 0:05:08.839 --> 0:05:11.440 a helicopter, you look down there and you think there's 0:05:11.440 --> 0:05:14.039 just no one down there. It's just all jungle, he said. 0:05:14.040 --> 0:05:15.440 About when you get down there, he said, there's a 0:05:15.440 --> 0:05:20.360 lot of people and drug runners and bad men everywhere. 0:05:20.400 --> 0:05:25.039 So this guy is definitely an anomaly because he is 0:05:25.080 --> 0:05:29.240 not hanging out with anybody. No. And the reason why 0:05:29.279 --> 0:05:35.040 they think he's alone, Chuck, is because back when the 0:05:36.120 --> 0:05:39.200 rumors of like a wild man in the jungle started 0:05:39.240 --> 0:05:43.720 to circulate um, they think that he had he had 0:05:43.760 --> 0:05:46.839 just recently survived a slaughter that had killed off the 0:05:46.839 --> 0:05:49.200 rest of his trial, which was only like supposedly five 0:05:49.279 --> 0:05:52.880 or six people at that point, because they think the 0:05:52.920 --> 0:05:55.320 rest had been slaughtered, and that that's a common thing 0:05:55.400 --> 0:05:57.480 we're gonna come up on in a couple of these 0:05:57.480 --> 0:06:01.080 as these ranchers and loggers, they're like, we want to 0:06:01.080 --> 0:06:05.200 go clear this land, and there's a tribe, a native tribe. 0:06:05.200 --> 0:06:08.600 They're an indigenous tribe, so let's just slaughter them, get 0:06:08.640 --> 0:06:11.440 them out of the way. It's really really awful, awful thing, 0:06:12.000 --> 0:06:15.320 and it's been a very common thing apparently since the 0:06:15.360 --> 0:06:19.760 seventies and eighties when ranchers and loggers moved into Rondonia. 0:06:20.000 --> 0:06:23.400 Um it just snatching up land. And this is again, 0:06:23.440 --> 0:06:30.360 this is the Amazon. This is basically Christine Forest rainforest 0:06:30.800 --> 0:06:37.480 that people who have never been contacted by any anyone 0:06:37.560 --> 0:06:40.560 from the outside world live still to this day, and 0:06:40.600 --> 0:06:43.000 this guy is one of them. So at first they 0:06:43.000 --> 0:06:46.880 thought maybe he was just a member of a tribe 0:06:47.520 --> 0:06:50.320 um that we already know about. And then over time 0:06:50.360 --> 0:06:53.440 as they started to study this guy, it became quite 0:06:53.480 --> 0:06:56.479 clear that now he's he's a member of a tribe 0:06:56.520 --> 0:06:59.840 that we didn't know about before, and we're pretty sure 0:06:59.839 --> 0:07:02.600 he is the last of his kind. Yeah. So there's 0:07:02.600 --> 0:07:06.839 this organization called uh fun I f u n AI, 0:07:07.000 --> 0:07:12.080 the National Indian Foundation of Brazil, and they have been 0:07:12.120 --> 0:07:16.080 tasked with for the past twenty years monitoring this dude, 0:07:17.040 --> 0:07:22.160 and before his companions were killed, monitoring his companions. And 0:07:22.200 --> 0:07:25.040 you send a nice follow up on FUNAI. They have 0:07:25.080 --> 0:07:27.840 a few departments and one is called the General Coordination 0:07:28.480 --> 0:07:34.160 Unit of Uncontacted Indians the c g i I, and 0:07:34.280 --> 0:07:38.160 that was established in seven and they're the only department 0:07:38.280 --> 0:07:42.880 of government in the world which protects indigenous peoples who 0:07:43.000 --> 0:07:48.000 don't have contact with the outside world or nearby tribes. Yeah, 0:07:48.040 --> 0:07:51.680 because before in the like nineteenth century and even through 0:07:51.720 --> 0:07:54.760 a lot of the twentieth century, there was it was 0:07:54.800 --> 0:07:57.920 just basically Christian missionaries who were making their way into 0:07:57.960 --> 0:08:01.840 the Amazon to contact vibes and bring them Jesus basically, 0:08:01.880 --> 0:08:04.880 and also health care and food and all that stuff 0:08:04.920 --> 0:08:09.440 tools the implements of modern culture, but also to proselytize too, 0:08:09.840 --> 0:08:14.000 and there was a lot of UM. It just wasn't 0:08:14.120 --> 0:08:17.240 very well thought out. And as a result, even even 0:08:17.400 --> 0:08:19.840 from these these the best of intentions that a lot 0:08:19.840 --> 0:08:23.200 of these missionaries had a lot of tribes died. So 0:08:23.360 --> 0:08:27.600 in Brazil came up with their UM. I think it 0:08:27.640 --> 0:08:30.600 was like the Indian Protection Services was the name of 0:08:30.600 --> 0:08:34.679 the department that they first came up with, and UM 0:08:34.800 --> 0:08:39.400 the Indian Protection Service they took over from the missionaries, 0:08:39.440 --> 0:08:41.240 and it was a step up in that sense because 0:08:41.240 --> 0:08:43.560 it was more coordinated. There was thought to it, There 0:08:43.600 --> 0:08:46.040 was some sort of study, but the point was to 0:08:46.480 --> 0:08:54.360 take um uncontacted Amazonian tribes and bring them into the 0:08:54.400 --> 0:08:58.320 modern world so that they could assimilate with the modern world. 0:08:58.600 --> 0:09:04.160 The point was to basely reduced cultural diversity in Brazil. UM. 0:09:04.200 --> 0:09:07.520 And that kept going until the sixties when there was 0:09:07.559 --> 0:09:11.560 a huge expose a about the Indian Protection Service UM 0:09:11.640 --> 0:09:14.200 that they had just fallen down so terribly in their 0:09:14.320 --> 0:09:20.320 mission that there was basically massive extermination, slavery, rape, everything, 0:09:20.400 --> 0:09:22.520 every horrible thing that you can think of that could 0:09:22.600 --> 0:09:26.600 befall a human being happened to these tribes under the 0:09:26.640 --> 0:09:32.080 watch of the Indian Services Protection over sixty years. Yeah. So, Uh, 0:09:32.240 --> 0:09:37.680 the department in the the gu c g I I 0:09:37.720 --> 0:09:41.199 was founded by a man named Sydneys Passuelo. I guess 0:09:41.520 --> 0:09:45.080 sow you pronounced that. And this was a big sea 0:09:45.160 --> 0:09:48.440 change in policy, which was, like you were saying, the 0:09:48.480 --> 0:09:53.400 previous strategy established contact to try and get them integrated 0:09:53.440 --> 0:09:56.640 at some point, uh, to this new policy, which was 0:09:57.520 --> 0:10:00.680 don't even contact these people and us they are under 0:10:00.720 --> 0:10:06.400 serious threat because history has shown all manner of bad 0:10:06.440 --> 0:10:13.240 things can happen when you contact these people, UM, one 0:10:13.280 --> 0:10:17.160 of which is certainly introducing them to new diseases and 0:10:17.200 --> 0:10:19.440 things that will kill them that they've never never seen 0:10:19.559 --> 0:10:23.040 or experienced. Uh. And and this is you know, there's 0:10:23.040 --> 0:10:26.440 a big debate still on like what the best policies 0:10:26.480 --> 0:10:32.520 are here. Yeah, So these two Um American anthropologists, white 0:10:32.520 --> 0:10:38.120 American anthropologists, men who I guess, wrote an open letter 0:10:38.280 --> 0:10:42.239 in either Science or Nature I think Nature UM basically 0:10:42.360 --> 0:10:48.640 saying Brazil and Peru UM should reverse this this longstanding 0:10:48.760 --> 0:10:54.319 policy of of not contacting Indians UM in the Amazon 0:10:54.920 --> 0:11:01.840 and should actually plan peaceful, well organized contact so that 0:11:02.280 --> 0:11:05.920 that they can be better protected. It's these anthropologist stance 0:11:06.040 --> 0:11:09.640 that if you don't protect them, they're going to dot 0:11:09.920 --> 0:11:12.160 one way or another, that there's no way that they're 0:11:12.160 --> 0:11:16.160 going to remain isolated. On the on the long term, 0:11:16.200 --> 0:11:20.679 maybe you've got another generation possibly of some of these 0:11:20.679 --> 0:11:23.600 tribes that could live like this. But beyond that, it's 0:11:23.640 --> 0:11:26.720 just not gonna happen. There's too many powerful interests banging 0:11:26.760 --> 0:11:29.480 on the doors of their preserved areas who are more 0:11:29.480 --> 0:11:33.320 than willing to hire people who will accept money to 0:11:33.360 --> 0:11:36.480 go kill these people just to get this land. And 0:11:36.640 --> 0:11:39.559 by just leaving them alone, you're leaving them very vulnerable. 0:11:39.559 --> 0:11:44.160 Whereas if you if you plan out contact, then conceivably 0:11:44.440 --> 0:11:47.120 you can show them that there are things like medical treatment, 0:11:47.360 --> 0:11:49.880 there is the better ways that you can protect them. 0:11:50.080 --> 0:11:52.839 You can kind of give them contact, and that even 0:11:52.880 --> 0:11:57.720 more so interviews with groups that have become have initiated 0:11:57.760 --> 0:12:01.640 contact or have had contact made with them, said, we 0:12:01.720 --> 0:12:04.280 would have made contact with you guys earlier, but we 0:12:04.320 --> 0:12:06.840 thought we were going to be enslaved or murdered or something. 0:12:07.280 --> 0:12:09.679 We had no idea that you wanted to actually help us. 0:12:09.880 --> 0:12:12.679 Had we known that, we would have contacted you guys 0:12:12.880 --> 0:12:16.400 decades ago. So those two things put together, these American 0:12:16.440 --> 0:12:20.360 anthropologists have said we we endorsed this, and FU and 0:12:20.440 --> 0:12:23.120 I and a lot of other groups, including the U 0:12:23.320 --> 0:12:27.120 N and UH human rights group in the UK called 0:12:27.160 --> 0:12:32.000 Survivors International, have said, um no, that is totally disrespectful. 0:12:32.040 --> 0:12:35.200 That flies completely in the face of of agreed upon 0:12:35.720 --> 0:12:40.440 procedure and protocol. Just be quiet, you're being neo colonialists. Yeah. 0:12:40.480 --> 0:12:42.480 I think it's interesting though, because what they're trying to 0:12:42.520 --> 0:12:45.760 do is, like you said, have very highly controlled contact. 0:12:46.520 --> 0:12:51.760 And the assumption that they don't want to be contacted UH, 0:12:51.800 --> 0:12:54.120 at least through their eyes, appears to be false because 0:12:54.559 --> 0:12:58.400 like you mentioned, they're they're afraid of being UH kidnapped 0:12:58.480 --> 0:13:01.880 or something or overtaken. And if had they known, like oh, 0:13:01.920 --> 0:13:04.120 you just want to give us some nice tools and 0:13:04.200 --> 0:13:08.320 maybe inoculate us UH and we we'd actually be down 0:13:08.320 --> 0:13:12.240 with that as long as you leave afterward, right, And 0:13:12.280 --> 0:13:15.319 these two anthropologists said, like, you've got to do this smartly, 0:13:15.400 --> 0:13:18.280 Like you basically have to go in with cultural translators, 0:13:18.760 --> 0:13:24.199 usually um tribes who have made contact with outsiders before, 0:13:24.640 --> 0:13:27.880 already established contact that live in the same area, who 0:13:27.960 --> 0:13:32.640 might be able to to translate between the outsiders and 0:13:33.000 --> 0:13:36.760 the actual uncontacted tribes. And you need healthcare providers who 0:13:36.760 --> 0:13:38.760 are going to stay there for at least a year, 0:13:39.640 --> 0:13:42.680 at least a year of sustained care or else. Yes, 0:13:42.720 --> 0:13:45.040 they're going to die from these diseases you're going to 0:13:45.080 --> 0:13:47.800 bring in inevitable. Yeah, I mean they're they're good. They 0:13:47.800 --> 0:13:50.880 give good examples too in that article about how this 0:13:51.000 --> 0:13:55.520 is backfired with missionaries, like the your people they were 0:13:55.559 --> 0:13:58.800 there for six months and the missionary said, well, let's 0:13:58.880 --> 0:14:02.680 let's go on vacation, and then the Jora died a 0:14:02.679 --> 0:14:07.360 few weeks later. And then in nineteen missionaries provided care 0:14:07.440 --> 0:14:12.800 to a community on ok community. Uh, they took a 0:14:12.880 --> 0:14:16.440 vacation and then they died as well. So they're saying, like, 0:14:16.720 --> 0:14:18.560 you gotta have a plan to go in and stay there. 0:14:19.360 --> 0:14:21.160 You can't just go in bring him some food and 0:14:21.200 --> 0:14:27.360 machetes and spring break and then then get out of there. 0:14:27.760 --> 0:14:29.840 But I get the idea that this is still a 0:14:29.840 --> 0:14:33.880 pretty hot topic of debate. Oh yeah, I know that 0:14:33.960 --> 0:14:39.200 those anthropologists, um, they they set off a huge debate, 0:14:39.320 --> 0:14:42.520 and I think it was sparked by the the video 0:14:42.760 --> 0:14:46.320 that was released by Survivor International of the man in 0:14:46.360 --> 0:14:49.680 the whole um chopping down a tree. And the video 0:14:49.720 --> 0:14:51.680 was taken in two thousand eleven, but they only just 0:14:51.760 --> 0:14:55.360 released it in July of two eighteen. And this is, yeah, 0:14:55.360 --> 0:14:57.640 this is very much still going on, this big debate, 0:14:57.920 --> 0:15:00.800 and it's a huge it's a huge issue, and you 0:15:00.840 --> 0:15:02.880 can you can kind of see both sides. Like I 0:15:02.920 --> 0:15:06.640 had just read about food eyes um counter to it 0:15:06.720 --> 0:15:09.440 that like, look, dudes, this is our thing, we got this. 0:15:09.600 --> 0:15:12.320 You just mind your own business, we have our own policy, 0:15:12.440 --> 0:15:15.360 stay out right, stay out of this. But then if 0:15:15.400 --> 0:15:18.480 you read the anthropologists letters, you're like, actually, they have 0:15:18.560 --> 0:15:20.960 a couple of good points here. So it's it's not 0:15:21.000 --> 0:15:26.560 a clear cut, um uh picture one way or the other. 0:15:26.640 --> 0:15:30.080 It's it's definitely there's a lot of of nuance to 0:15:30.120 --> 0:15:32.560 it on both sides. All right, let's take a risp it. 0:15:33.920 --> 0:15:36.480 Let's take a furlough or vacation and we'll come back 0:15:36.480 --> 0:15:37.920 and talk a little bit more about the Man in 0:15:37.960 --> 0:16:00.360 the Whole. Alright, So the reason they call him the 0:16:00.400 --> 0:16:02.280 man of the Hole or the man in the hole 0:16:02.640 --> 0:16:06.200 is the odd thing of inside these statched huts of 0:16:06.320 --> 0:16:11.960 which he has, uh several around this area. Inside the 0:16:12.000 --> 0:16:14.360 huts are these and all over the place there are 0:16:14.360 --> 0:16:17.800 these holes with like spikes for like trapping animals. But 0:16:17.880 --> 0:16:21.720 he has these six foot deep holes inside of his 0:16:21.720 --> 0:16:26.120 own huts and apparently no no other tribes around him 0:16:26.120 --> 0:16:29.200 have done this, and it's very unusual thing, and that 0:16:30.120 --> 0:16:33.360 the belief is that he is it's for his own protection. 0:16:33.880 --> 0:16:37.080 I guess if he's being fired upon or something by loggers, 0:16:37.080 --> 0:16:40.320 he can jump down on one of these holes. Yeah, 0:16:40.360 --> 0:16:43.200 that's the impression I have too, which is extraordinarily sad. 0:16:43.240 --> 0:16:48.440 It is. So the reason why they think that Um 0:16:49.120 --> 0:16:51.840 that he has these holes is because he's had terrible 0:16:51.920 --> 0:16:55.080 run ins. I guess this This seems to be evidence 0:16:55.200 --> 0:16:59.480 that he is the survivor of a slaughter massacre, because 0:16:59.520 --> 0:17:02.280 this is not a normal technique that they've seen with 0:17:02.360 --> 0:17:05.840 other tribes UM, and they found it at every single 0:17:05.840 --> 0:17:08.680 one of the huts that they've come upon of his. Yeah. 0:17:08.760 --> 0:17:13.040 They do know though from tailing him or monitor tailing him, 0:17:13.040 --> 0:17:15.480 monitoring him for the past couple of decades though, that 0:17:15.560 --> 0:17:20.240 he he hunts with a bow and arrow. He farms, uh, 0:17:20.400 --> 0:17:23.239 probably at night and stays out of the you know, 0:17:23.359 --> 0:17:25.560 as much as he can. Stays inside during the day 0:17:25.800 --> 0:17:29.280 out of fear, which is also awful. But he farms 0:17:29.280 --> 0:17:32.960 like papay in corn and other fruits and vegetables. He 0:17:33.000 --> 0:17:36.720 has all these traps, said everywhere, like I mentioned, um, 0:17:36.840 --> 0:17:41.680 they have found hand carved arrowheads, torches made from branches, 0:17:41.720 --> 0:17:44.919 and resin. And at one point they actually tried to 0:17:44.960 --> 0:17:48.840 make contact, yes, several points. Well, at one point when 0:17:48.840 --> 0:17:51.240 they when they tried to make contact though, he he 0:17:51.359 --> 0:17:53.520 fired upon them with his bow and arrow and actually 0:17:54.280 --> 0:17:57.360 hit someone in the chest, one of the agents. Yeah, 0:17:57.359 --> 0:18:00.480 and they were like, all right, we're out of here. Yeah. 0:18:00.480 --> 0:18:03.480 At that point they stopped trying to initiate contact with 0:18:03.520 --> 0:18:05.920 this guy. And again this is like peaceful contact they're 0:18:05.920 --> 0:18:09.600 trying to initiate, not like hey man, get off of 0:18:09.640 --> 0:18:12.720 this land there, like saying do you need anything, do 0:18:12.760 --> 0:18:14.920 you want some food? What do you what? Do you want? 0:18:15.480 --> 0:18:20.600 And the first few attempts to contact him resulted in 0:18:20.720 --> 0:18:23.080 him just basically slipping into the shadows in the jungle 0:18:23.119 --> 0:18:28.160 and just disappearing. Um. Then it progressed into standoffs. Then 0:18:28.160 --> 0:18:31.320 it progressed into a shooting, and so they stepped back. 0:18:31.400 --> 0:18:34.920 Survivor International and food I and some other groups step 0:18:35.000 --> 0:18:40.520 back and said, this guy is escalating in hostilities. He's 0:18:40.560 --> 0:18:43.960 showing us he doesn't want anything to do with us, 0:18:44.480 --> 0:18:47.720 Like you. It would be something if like he'd shot 0:18:47.800 --> 0:18:50.399 the first time and then slipped away the second time, 0:18:50.840 --> 0:18:54.040 and and the hostilities were decreasing, but instead it's going 0:18:54.080 --> 0:18:57.479 the opposite way. The hostilities were increasing. So he's getting 0:18:57.560 --> 0:19:00.719 that he has the opportunity to contact the people who 0:19:00.800 --> 0:19:02.960 are coming with their hands up and like not trying 0:19:03.000 --> 0:19:06.239 to kill him. And he's still saying back off. So 0:19:06.359 --> 0:19:08.960 finally the government said we're just going to back off, 0:19:09.400 --> 0:19:12.720 and they backed off. The fun I established his policy 0:19:12.720 --> 0:19:16.280 of not contacting this guy, not even attempting to contact 0:19:16.320 --> 0:19:20.360 this guy, but instead monitoring him, making sure that his 0:19:20.960 --> 0:19:25.240 preserve is um protected, and then leaving him things like 0:19:25.520 --> 0:19:27.800 the acts that he was seen using in that two 0:19:27.800 --> 0:19:30.560 thousand and eleven video. Or seeds for some of the 0:19:30.720 --> 0:19:33.159 um the plants that he grows, which a lot of 0:19:33.160 --> 0:19:36.920 times he doesn't even accept or take these gifts. Imagine 0:19:36.920 --> 0:19:39.439 he's not real trusting. Uh And like you said, as 0:19:39.480 --> 0:19:42.399 far as protecting the area, in two thousand seven, uh 0:19:42.440 --> 0:19:45.639 Funai and the government UM eventually increase the area to 0:19:45.720 --> 0:19:49.320 thirty one square miles around where he was is off 0:19:49.359 --> 0:19:53.120 limits to any trespassing or development, later expanded to three 0:19:53.119 --> 0:19:56.679 thousand hectares. So I think they added another three thousand 0:19:56.760 --> 0:20:00.439 hecks okay to the already square mileage. And this is 0:20:00.480 --> 0:20:04.239 really ticked off the ranchers and the loggers because they're like, 0:20:04.800 --> 0:20:08.760 our business is being held back back by this one guy. Yeah, 0:20:08.800 --> 0:20:11.840 and they want to kill him, to kill him. As 0:20:11.840 --> 0:20:14.480 a matter of fact, in in when the government announced 0:20:14.520 --> 0:20:18.520 that it was not only keeping up the practice of 0:20:18.560 --> 0:20:22.679 preserving this guy's land thirty one square miles, but adding 0:20:22.720 --> 0:20:26.119 an extra three thousand hectares, which brought the total to 0:20:26.320 --> 0:20:28.639 forty two and a half square miles or a hundred 0:20:28.640 --> 0:20:31.960 and ten square kilometers that this man has to himself 0:20:32.400 --> 0:20:37.000 the five ranches that surround this preserve, UM hired somebody 0:20:37.040 --> 0:20:39.360 to go try to kill him. Fu and I went 0:20:39.400 --> 0:20:41.760 and checked on him after a couple of weeks after 0:20:41.800 --> 0:20:45.040 that announcement was made public, and they found that their 0:20:45.119 --> 0:20:48.919 outpost was ransacked and that um, they had found the 0:20:49.040 --> 0:20:51.960 shotgun shells, spent shotgun shells in the fourth floor. So 0:20:52.000 --> 0:20:54.000 there's clearly an attempt to mate on the made on 0:20:54.040 --> 0:20:56.639 the guy's life, And for a couple of years they 0:20:56.640 --> 0:21:00.240 had no idea if he'd survived until that video was 0:21:00.280 --> 0:21:03.520 made in two thousand eleven that showed this guy who 0:21:03.560 --> 0:21:05.480 was now fifty. They've been tracking him since he was 0:21:05.520 --> 0:21:10.800 in his now, um chopping down a tree, Yeah, chopping 0:21:10.840 --> 0:21:12.960 down a tree like it's nothing. So they knew that 0:21:13.000 --> 0:21:14.720 he was alive and in good health as of two 0:21:14.760 --> 0:21:18.199 thousand and eleven, and they're assuming that he's still alive. Man, 0:21:18.240 --> 0:21:21.520 how good would a movie be about this guy? I 0:21:21.560 --> 0:21:23.240 just have a lot of it play out in silence, 0:21:23.240 --> 0:21:26.400 you know. Yeah, that would be amazing, It would be cool. 0:21:26.440 --> 0:21:29.359 I mean, it's it's crazy to see a video of 0:21:29.440 --> 0:21:32.119 this guy from seven years ago, Like in the world 0:21:32.160 --> 0:21:35.119 we live in, to think about there's still places on 0:21:35.160 --> 0:21:39.360 earth where this guy. It's almost like the Japanese straggler 0:21:40.480 --> 0:21:42.400 who had no idea that the war had been over 0:21:42.480 --> 0:21:46.680 for whatever thirty years living in the jungle. Uh. It's 0:21:46.720 --> 0:21:48.639 just amazing to think about the fact that this is 0:21:48.680 --> 0:21:52.119 the loan, the lone guy out there by himself, and 0:21:52.119 --> 0:21:55.920 what his life must be like. But not not only that, 0:21:56.040 --> 0:21:59.280 It's like like when I when when we did the 0:21:59.320 --> 0:22:01.960 paramedics episode, I think I said something like, there's there's 0:22:02.000 --> 0:22:06.480 no greater symbol of humanity than paramedics, you know. I 0:22:06.520 --> 0:22:09.560 think this is another really great symbol of this guy 0:22:10.040 --> 0:22:14.600 that well, well, no the FUNI Brazilian government's response to 0:22:14.640 --> 0:22:17.560 this that this man has been has been part of 0:22:17.600 --> 0:22:20.199 a tribe, it's the last of his tribe, and the 0:22:20.240 --> 0:22:22.919 Brazilian government has said, this man deserves to live his 0:22:23.000 --> 0:22:26.119 life out in peace in the way that he wants to, 0:22:26.280 --> 0:22:29.000 in his traditional way, to be left alone. And we're 0:22:29.000 --> 0:22:32.560 going to designate a d ten square kilometers that belong 0:22:32.640 --> 0:22:35.760 to no one but this man, despite the fact that 0:22:35.840 --> 0:22:39.040 all around him is it's the outside world trying to 0:22:39.080 --> 0:22:41.480 press in. We're gonna stand in the way of that 0:22:41.640 --> 0:22:44.040 so that this guy can live out his natural life. 0:22:44.320 --> 0:22:47.120 That just gets me, you know, right in the bread basket. Yeah. 0:22:47.160 --> 0:22:49.719 I think the Disney version of this movie is they 0:22:49.760 --> 0:22:55.400 would find a alone tribeswoman somewhere, drop her off and 0:22:55.440 --> 0:22:59.200 have them have them meat cute by the papaya tree. Yeah, 0:22:59.440 --> 0:23:04.840 and the the ranchers want to tickle him. But if 0:23:04.880 --> 0:23:08.640 it were live action these days, it would be um. 0:23:08.680 --> 0:23:11.399 They would hire either John Wayne or Fisher Stevens to 0:23:11.480 --> 0:23:15.919 play the last. Fisher Stevens here, I remember he played 0:23:15.960 --> 0:23:21.760 the Indian programmer in Short Circuit. That's right, Yeah, geez, yeah, 0:23:22.320 --> 0:23:24.439 that was as recently as the eighties. Right, It's not 0:23:24.480 --> 0:23:28.080 like Mickey Rooney playing an Asian man in the nineteen sixties. 0:23:29.119 --> 0:23:32.720 Not like that was any better. No, Bay Hollywood and 0:23:32.920 --> 0:23:35.640 getting it wrong for so long, they have at least 0:23:35.760 --> 0:23:39.840 Mongol got it right though, right, Uh maybe, yeah, we 0:23:39.840 --> 0:23:44.600 haven't seen any Should we take another break? Yeah, all right, 0:23:44.600 --> 0:23:46.800 We'll take another break and talk a little bit more 0:23:47.200 --> 0:24:11.120 about some of these um isolated tribes right after this. Okay, Chuck, 0:24:11.240 --> 0:24:15.320 So the last tribesman, the the um, the man in 0:24:15.359 --> 0:24:19.199 the whole. He's being left alone. And that's policy in 0:24:19.280 --> 0:24:23.680 Brazil and Peru from what I understand now, Um, there 0:24:23.680 --> 0:24:29.719 are some tribes that have actually um accepted contact and 0:24:29.720 --> 0:24:34.200 it made peaceful contact and it become um, I guess 0:24:34.400 --> 0:24:37.920 a little more integrated. I think there's three degrees that 0:24:38.000 --> 0:24:45.240 fun I separates tribes into indigenous tribes into there's totally uncontacted, 0:24:45.280 --> 0:24:48.400 which is like they are living off on their own. 0:24:48.440 --> 0:24:51.639 They outside world has nothing to do with them. There's 0:24:51.800 --> 0:24:58.760 um partially contacted or partially assimilated, right like they they're 0:24:58.840 --> 0:25:00.840 they're living in their hut in the jungle, but they 0:25:00.920 --> 0:25:05.800 still have an iPhone, right um. And then there's fully assimilated, 0:25:05.840 --> 0:25:08.639 where they like live in a city now or something 0:25:08.680 --> 0:25:10.280 like that, or they have like a job in the 0:25:10.320 --> 0:25:15.000