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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you should know from how Stuff Works

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Speaker 1: dot com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark,

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Speaker 1: and there's Charles W. Chuck Bryant, there's Jerry Jerome Roland. Boy,

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Speaker 1: I'm not in a good way today, Chuck, you off

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Speaker 1: your game, as if you can't tell I think you're fine. Well, thanks, man,

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Speaker 1: I feel a lot better. Uh yeah, no, I'm okay.

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Speaker 1: I can tell you. I'm I'm surrounded by friends, family,

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Speaker 1: like your dad's corner. It's I have the idea I

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Speaker 1: have TV. Oh. Man. I instagrammed a photo of my

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Speaker 1: mom and dad from the seventies. Yeah, and um, I

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Speaker 1: captioned it, They're like looking at each other kind of lovingly.

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Speaker 1: And I captioned it, um, the moment before I was conceived.

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Speaker 1: You know what Jerry showed me that today. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: she did. I look a lot like my parents mixed together. Huh. Well.

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Speaker 1: The first thing I noticed was like, Wow, that's that's

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Speaker 1: what Josh would have looked like as a grown man

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Speaker 1: in the nineteen seventies. Because that profile of your dad,

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Speaker 1: I was, I was, I don't know, I've never seen

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Speaker 1: your dad young. So I was like, man, that's really

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Speaker 1: that's you. Yeah, yeah, I totally saw it. I saw both. Yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Because you look at my dad, You're like, oh, that's Josh.

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Speaker 1: But then you look at my mom You're like, oh,

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Speaker 1: there's there's Josh too. Very bizarre. Yeah I don't. I

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Speaker 1: guess I definitely favored my father. Um. Yeah, so a

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Speaker 1: lot of people just favored favorite one or the other.

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Speaker 1: But I'm fifty fifty. That's what we call you all fifty. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think that's a new one. There's a T shirt. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: um so, oh, I know the point I was making.

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Speaker 1: There's this how Stuff Works article that you sent called

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Speaker 1: them and in the Whole, and it talks about this

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Speaker 1: guy who is the last of his kind. He's as

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Speaker 1: as this article put it, like the loneliest person on earth.

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Speaker 1: And I was like, yeah, I mean, I'm sure there's

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Speaker 1: a lot like being in solitary confinement or something like that,

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Speaker 1: but no, this is way beyond that. And this how

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Speaker 1: Stuff Works article by j Lynn Shields like really drove

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Speaker 1: at home. She wrote, like, what if you were the

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Speaker 1: last person who could speak your language, the last person

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Speaker 1: who remembered what Halloween was, or a Coca cola, or

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Speaker 1: that a dog says Wolf, like, imagine that, and I'm like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's way different from being in solitary. Solitary confinement would

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Speaker 1: be bad enough. You know, you're physically restrained, but at

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Speaker 1: least you know out there that there are other people

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Speaker 1: who know the same things you know, that speak the

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Speaker 1: same language you speak, that your family is still out there,

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Speaker 1: that kind of thing. This is utterly different. And this man,

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Speaker 1: the last Tribesman he's called, or the man in the whole,

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Speaker 1: is possibly not just the the last of his kind.

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Speaker 1: He might be the only person on the entire planet

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Speaker 1: in the situation that he's in. Maybe isn't that bizarre

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Speaker 1: to think? Yeah, I mean we did a uh we

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Speaker 1: did another show on are Their Undiscovered People quite a

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Speaker 1: few years back and a deaf. I don't know how

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Speaker 1: he didn't get to this guy, but I saw this

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Speaker 1: article and it it was striking, especially if you've seen

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Speaker 1: the couple of videos, and I think there are only

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Speaker 1: two pieces of video of this dude. One I saw

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Speaker 1: where they were sort of shooting, you know, they were

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Speaker 1: zoomed in on a hut and that's you know, where

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Speaker 1: he lives. There's a series of thatched huts in the

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Speaker 1: uh Tanaru Indigenous Reserve in the Rondonia state of Brazil. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he lives in these thatched huts that are scattered about

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Speaker 1: get him on film kind of zoomed in between the

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Speaker 1: it was a pretty good shot of him from a

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Speaker 1: That was the most recent video, right, which, uh, well,

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Speaker 1: let's just go ahead and get into this. He was

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Speaker 1: found or discovered and I think nineteen when some loggers

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Speaker 1: uh from the state of Rondonia, which from the impression

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Speaker 1: So this guy is definitely an anomaly because he is

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Speaker 1: not hanging out with anybody. No. And the reason why

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Speaker 1: to circulate um, they think that he had he had

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Speaker 1: rest had been slaughtered, and that that's a common thing

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Speaker 1: we're gonna come up on in a couple of these

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Speaker 1: as these ranchers and loggers, they're like, we want to

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Speaker 1: go clear this land, and there's a tribe, a native tribe.

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Speaker 1: They're an indigenous tribe, so let's just slaughter them, get

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Speaker 1: them out of the way. It's really really awful, awful thing,

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Speaker 1: and it's been a very common thing apparently since the

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Speaker 1: Um it just snatching up land. And this is again,

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Speaker 1: this guy is one of them. So at first they

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Speaker 1: thought maybe he was just a member of a tribe

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Speaker 1: um that we already know about. And then over time

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Speaker 1: clear that now he's he's a member of a tribe

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Speaker 1: and before his companions were killed, monitoring his companions. And

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Speaker 1: that was established in seven and they're the only department

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Speaker 1: of government in the world which protects indigenous peoples who

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Speaker 1: don't have contact with the outside world or nearby tribes. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: because before in the like nineteenth century and even through

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Speaker 1: and there was a lot of UM. It just wasn't

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Speaker 1: it was more coordinated. There was thought to it, There

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Speaker 1: The point was to basely reduced cultural diversity in Brazil. UM.

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Speaker 1: And that kept going until the sixties when there was

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Speaker 1: was founded by a man named Sydneys Passuelo. I guess

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Speaker 1: sow you pronounced that. And this was a big sea

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Speaker 1: change in policy, which was, like you were saying, the

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Speaker 1: previous strategy established contact to try and get them integrated

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Speaker 1: serious threat because history has shown all manner of bad

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Speaker 1: Whereas if you if you plan out contact, then conceivably

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Speaker 1: We had no idea that you wanted to actually help us.

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Speaker 1: Had we known that, we would have contacted you guys

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Speaker 1: decades ago. So those two things put together, these American

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Speaker 1: Survivors International, have said, um no, that is totally disrespectful.

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Speaker 1: That flies completely in the face of of agreed upon

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Speaker 1: And the assumption that they don't want to be contacted UH,

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Speaker 1: maybe inoculate us UH and we we'd actually be down

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Speaker 1: Like you basically have to go in with cultural translators,

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Speaker 1: usually um tribes who have made contact with outsiders before,

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Speaker 1: don't know a lot about them. But in two thousand

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Speaker 1: and six a couple of fishermen drifted there in their

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Speaker 1: boat ah near the island and were killed and buried

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Speaker 1: in shallow graves, and helicopters came and they were like,

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Speaker 1: we gotta find this burial site and get these guys

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Speaker 1: back at least, and they started firing arrows at the

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Speaker 1: helicopter and it was just out of there, and the

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Speaker 1: local cops were like, now, we're just gonna leave those

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Speaker 1: guys there. We're not We're not going near it. They

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Speaker 1: have actually for this is a This has been going

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Speaker 1: on for a very long time. Apparently Marco polo Um

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Speaker 1: remarked on them, wrote about them that he was traveling

438
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Speaker 1: and I think the twelve century. So they've been fierce

439
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Speaker 1: for years now and apparently survived the two thousand four

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Speaker 1: tsunami in Indonesia's tsunami. That's crazy because this is an

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Speaker 1: island that the tsunami just swamped and they managed to

442
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Speaker 1: hang on just fine. I think ancient people have survived

443
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Speaker 1: more than one tsunami, you know. I guess you're right.

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00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:47,560
Speaker 1: That was a pretty bad one though, Yeah, pretty amazing. Uh.

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Speaker 1: This other one, the coral Y tribe of Papua, Indonesia.

446
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Speaker 1: They were contacted in the seventies by of course missionaries

447
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Speaker 1: an archaeologist and they were using stone tools and living

448
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Speaker 1: in ree huts and stuff like that, and they're a

449
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Speaker 1: big belief as a tribe was that the world would

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Speaker 1: be destroyed by an earthquake if they assimilated and change

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Speaker 1: their customs. So missionary said, all right, you know what,

452
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Speaker 1: We're just gonna leave you alone. What I think these

453
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Speaker 1: people might have invented, um bungee jumping. Do you remember

454
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:26,639
Speaker 1: land diving episode? They sound really familiar. I think it

455
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Speaker 1: might be maybe so, But they are in the middle

456
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Speaker 1: of nowhere, so it's a it's a long way from

457
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Speaker 1: even like other remote villages, which is a I mean,

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Speaker 1: that's a that's a mark in your favor for now.

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Speaker 1: But as the Amazon Basin has been showing us since

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Speaker 1: the seventies and eighties, so much of it has disappeared

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Speaker 1: due to clear cutting, for ranching, logging. Um that that

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Speaker 1: how you just have no idea how much longer that's

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Speaker 1: going to hold up, no matter where you are in

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Speaker 1: the world. I mean, we're at seven and a half

465
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Speaker 1: billion people now, and then I think the next thirty

466
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Speaker 1: years we're expected to hit ten billion. That's a lot

467
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Speaker 1: more people that not only need more land, but also

468
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Speaker 1: are going to be using up those resources that that

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Speaker 1: that are currently on that land right now, you know,

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Speaker 1: I mean, like if they discover oil where the Cora

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Speaker 1: white tribe lives in Indonesia. There goes that isolation, you know,

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Speaker 1: and I think that's a that's a real danger for

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Speaker 1: all tribes. I think that's probably what those two anthropologists

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Speaker 1: were talking about. Um, they're saying, like, long term, we

475
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Speaker 1: need a plan here everybody. We can't just be like, well,

476
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Speaker 1: we just won't contact them because it's just not viable,

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Speaker 1: I think was their point. What about that? This one

478
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Speaker 1: really was interesting to me. The Old Believers. Have you

479
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:50,320
Speaker 1: ever heard of them? Yeah, there's like some g Q

480
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Speaker 1: article in the last couple of years about that. I

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Speaker 1: think so in bur lap apparently, Yeah, these are Soviet Uh. Well,

482
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Speaker 1: here's the deal in ight, there were these geologists in

483
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Speaker 1: the Soviet Union that we're looking for iron ore. Uh.

484
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Speaker 1: They were in a helicopter and they saw a cabin

485
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Speaker 1: way out in the remote areas of Siberia, and they

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Speaker 1: found a family there that actually spoke a language I guess,

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Speaker 1: I mean, what would that be old timey Russian? Old

488
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Speaker 1: timey Russian? Uh huh uh. And they were were huddled

489
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Speaker 1: in fear and they were yelling, this is for our sins.

490
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Speaker 1: They were dressed in burlap and living off the land

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Speaker 1: and Apparently they were a group of people called the

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Speaker 1: Old Believers, which left the Russian Church, the main Russian

493
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Speaker 1: Church in the seventeenth century and had been I guess

494
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Speaker 1: looked at you know, they kind of went everywhere. It

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Speaker 1: was sort of a diaspora for the Old Believers. Some

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Speaker 1: of them just went to other countries and seeking asylum

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Speaker 1: or whatever. And apparently some of them just looked aside

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00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:05,000
Speaker 1: area and we're like, no one's there, so we'll go there. Nice.

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Speaker 1: It sounds creepy though, the Old Believers. Oh yeah, that's

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Speaker 1: a terrible name for him. You know. It seems like

501
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 1: they could scan you or something to make your head explode.

502
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 1: Are they worship Cthulhu or something? So Um, I almost

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00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 1: feel like if we should look into them a little more,

504
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 1: because I think they could probably hold up their own up.

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00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 1: I think you might be right. I also remember hearing

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Speaker 1: about families that lived in the Ozark Mountains in um

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Speaker 1: the midwest of the United States. Um, I think around

508
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Speaker 1: Arkansas that had been out of contact. I didn't even

509
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:41,480
Speaker 1: know the Civil War it happened. They were just that isolated.

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00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:43,600
Speaker 1: So yeah, you tend to think of it as just

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Speaker 1: strictly indigenous peoples and that it's just in the Amazon,

512
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Speaker 1: but like there's there's groups all over the world's fewer

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Speaker 1: and further between outside of the Amazon because there's less

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Speaker 1: unpopulated areas, but it happens. And one of the sad

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00:31:57,600 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 1: things about all of this is, Uh, for one of

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Speaker 1: these other tribes that you know, you can go read

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Speaker 1: this cracked article. What's it called? I didn't see the

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00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 1: title actually is just suddenly there were oh five isolated

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Speaker 1: groups who had no idea that civilization existed. Correct correct

520
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 1: lists were always so great, are always so great. They've

521
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 1: come in handy from time to time. But one of

522
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Speaker 1: the sad things I point out for one of these

523
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:22,840
Speaker 1: other tribes is that in Peru and imagine in some

524
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 1: other South American countries, there are these awful things called

525
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 1: human safari's where and they will take tourists around to

526
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:36,400
Speaker 1: like look at uncontacted tribes from Afar and close up.

527
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:39,480
Speaker 1: They're like, here, drained some of this io husk it

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00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 1: through your nose, and we're going to go check out

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Speaker 1: some some tribes hanging out on a river bank somewhere. Man,

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00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 1: So weird. Uh, Why I want to add one more thing.

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Speaker 1: I came across an article that wasn't really apropos of

532
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 1: what we were talking about, called the Right to Kill

533
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 1: on Foreign Policy Magazine, and it's about like this other

534
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 1: tan gentile issue that governments like Brazil have to deal with,

535
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 1: which is like, some of these isolated groups practice things

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00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 1: that the outside world finds abhorrent or is illegal in

537
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Speaker 1: the outside world. Um, specifically, in this article, infant aside.

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Speaker 1: If you're born with the disability and I think about

539
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:27,520
Speaker 1: twenty of of Brazil's isolated tribes, there's a chance that

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Speaker 1: the community will decide that you need to die again.

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Speaker 1: It's the practice of infantaside. And Brazil is like, we

542
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 1: are not quite sure what to do about this, because

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00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:40,240
Speaker 1: our constitution guarantees everyone in Brazil the right to live,

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Speaker 1: but it also guarantees the indigenous groups the right to

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00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 1: live according to their customs. So they have no idea

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Speaker 1: what to do. And it's a big thing about, you know,

547
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 1: moral relativism or moral absolutism and which one is correct. Uh.

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Speaker 1: And it's really interesting that they're having to think about

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00:33:56,080 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 1: this right now. It's a really interesting article that's worth reading. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I will check it out. Are you talking to me? Yeah,

551
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:08,839
Speaker 1: I'm talking to everybody, but specifically. Yeah. Um, well, if

552
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 1: you want to know more about isolated tribes, you can

553
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:15,359
Speaker 1: look those words up anywhere on the internet and they're

554
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:18,759
Speaker 1: going to deliver you some amazing stuff. And since I

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Speaker 1: said that, it's time for listener mail. Since you said

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Speaker 1: amazing stuff, mhm uh, well look at here, dude, I

557
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Speaker 1: have a handwritten letter on construction paper. Beautiful. Yeah, I

558
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Speaker 1: love it. Hey, guys, I hope this finds you. Well.

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Speaker 1: My name is Claire and I'm twenty one. In fact,

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Speaker 1: for my twenty first birthday, I came and saw you

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Speaker 1: guys live in Cleveland. Awesome. That was a great it was.

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Speaker 1: I got to here in college and I'm studying mathematics

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Speaker 1: with a license and education, so I'll be teaching high

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Speaker 1: school math. It's been a fan since two thousand fifteen.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for the many nights uh you have calmed

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Speaker 1: me and all the information I've learned. And I've been

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Speaker 1: wanting to for a while just to say thanks uh

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Speaker 1: and sent appreciation, but also a request and a little something.

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Speaker 1: Whenever you talk about math in any regard, please be

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Speaker 1: more positive, Please stop getting it wrong, Please be more

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00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 1: positive and encouraging. Uh. We're well known for poopooing math

572
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:20,799
Speaker 1: and saying I hated math. Well, it's so intimidating, it's

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Speaker 1: just so stupid, it is, But she says this math

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Speaker 1: is hard and already has a stigma for people who

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Speaker 1: hate it or to hate it. But as a future educator,

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Speaker 1: since you two are sort of educators, require that reach

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Speaker 1: a huge audience, your outlook and attitude about math is important.

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Speaker 1: It's okay did not like math and think that it's hard,

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Speaker 1: but know that you and anyone can do math. I

580
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:46,719
Speaker 1: know it's a silly thing to ask and point out,

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00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:48,880
Speaker 1: but I think you could both as a have a

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Speaker 1: positive impact on the math stigma. I wish you and

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Speaker 1: your wives and Chuck your daughter all the best. Thank

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Speaker 1: you for all of your hard work, and thank Jerry too.

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00:35:58,320 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 1: Jerry has to put up with you two all the time,

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Speaker 1: so she's definitely been working hard. And she writes sarcasm,

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Speaker 1: smiley face the fabulous day, and that is from Claire

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Speaker 1: and Claire, You're right, we just joke around, but we

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00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:13,720
Speaker 1: we should take more care with our words about the maths.

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Speaker 1: You know what, Frankly, Chuck, I think Ms Claire makes

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Speaker 1: a great point that we should just basically take all

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Speaker 1: the jokes out of our podcast entirely, just so no

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Speaker 1: one get takes it the wrong way. Just make it

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Speaker 1: nice and neutral. She is right, though, she is right,

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Speaker 1: we should take it easy on math, she very nicely said,

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Speaker 1: back off math. Yeah, like did she draw a little

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Speaker 1: Yosemite sam at the bottom there? Yeah? Look at that

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Speaker 1: and nice. Well, if you want to get in touch

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Speaker 1: with this, like Claire did, you can go to your

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