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Speaker 2: Welcome back to the solid verbal, boys and girls. My

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Speaker 2: He's always the incomparable Dan Rubinstein in the heart of

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Speaker 2: the Midwest, Chicago, Illinois, Sir, Yeah, welcome back.

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Speaker 1: How's your weekend? Pretty good weekend, Excited for this show.

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Speaker 2: So who do you blame for Peyton Thorn in Keon

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Speaker 1: That wasn't a team that was noted for its defense. Right.

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Speaker 2: There is a market for quarterbacks, there's always market for

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Speaker 2: It's got to be Colorado. I think it's thirteen scholarship

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Speaker 1: Sure, I don't know, Man, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: good here that ole Miss is any different? Now, I'm

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Speaker 1: the end of this portal or since late March April

436
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Speaker 1: and the spring time, which a lot of number of

437
00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:50,359
Speaker 1: programs have. It's not unique to ole Miss. I just

438
00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:54,359
Speaker 1: wonder if we're talking about a Spencer Sanders ole Miss,

439
00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:56,040
Speaker 1: or a Walker Howard ole Miss, or a Jackson Dart

440
00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:58,760
Speaker 1: ole Miss. Is it a different ole Miss than what

441
00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:01,360
Speaker 1: we've seen the past couple years. That's what That's where

442
00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:03,000
Speaker 1: the intrigue maybe leaves my body.

443
00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:06,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just I'm curious so much in this portal

444
00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:10,399
Speaker 2: era about the whole roster construction bit and that weird

445
00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:14,119
Speaker 2: song and dance, that chess game that coaches have to

446
00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:16,480
Speaker 2: play because of course, you always want to get better

447
00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:19,800
Speaker 2: at every position whenever you can. The portal makes that

448
00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:23,080
Speaker 2: more attainable than ever before. It also makes it very

449
00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:27,240
Speaker 2: difficult to like play that game of Djengo with your

450
00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:30,600
Speaker 2: existing depth chart right and avoid the whole thing falling

451
00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:33,520
Speaker 2: down because you decide you want to try and get

452
00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:36,879
Speaker 2: a little aggressive in the portal, so the fact that

453
00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:39,720
Speaker 2: they've got three guys that could be starters at a

454
00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:42,280
Speaker 2: lot of schools, I think means that we're going to

455
00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:45,320
Speaker 2: have a very interesting news cycle once Old misticides who

456
00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:47,679
Speaker 2: its guy is. But maybe that's just me.

457
00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:51,840
Speaker 1: So the Colorado thing highlights something that's not unique to Colorado.

458
00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:54,840
Speaker 1: You know what's the term in the NBA. It's player empowerment,

459
00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:57,840
Speaker 1: right that guys can demand trades and like get out

460
00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:00,600
Speaker 1: of bad contracts, whatever that they're like they don't feel

461
00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:03,280
Speaker 1: as if like this team or whatever has done enough

462
00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:06,640
Speaker 1: to build around them. And the counter that is it's

463
00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:09,600
Speaker 1: star empowerment. And I feel like college football is in

464
00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:11,640
Speaker 1: that place now where you say to yourself, there has

465
00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:13,800
Speaker 1: never been a better time to be a player, right

466
00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:16,440
Speaker 1: because you can monetize, you can transfer, you can take

467
00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:19,760
Speaker 1: more control over your career. I think that's true if

468
00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:22,240
Speaker 1: you are a star or looked at as a potential star.

469
00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:25,400
Speaker 1: What I think the Deon Sanders at Colorado thing highlights

470
00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:29,600
Speaker 1: is it's coaching empowerment time for college football more so

471
00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:33,119
Speaker 1: than ever, the control that one coach, head coach, that

472
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Speaker 1: one has over his roster to say, hey, seven players

473
00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:40,720
Speaker 1: at the end of spring camp you're probably not going

474
00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:43,760
Speaker 1: to play at all here, and so it's probably for

475
00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:46,160
Speaker 1: the best for your career to find somewhere where you're

476
00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:49,800
Speaker 1: going to play. To have the ability to tell players

477
00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:53,000
Speaker 1: that and have their freedom of movement away from the

478
00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:57,280
Speaker 1: roster that you want to build feels more anti player

479
00:23:57,359 --> 00:24:01,000
Speaker 1: than ever. That two things to things are kind of

480
00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:03,920
Speaker 1: true at the same time, that players have more opportunity

481
00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:06,359
Speaker 1: because of that freedom of movement, but because of that

482
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:10,240
Speaker 1: freedom of movement, coaches have more opportunity to play around

483
00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:13,320
Speaker 1: with their rosters. And so Dion's a more extreme case.

484
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Speaker 1: I don't think Carl Durell was going to win a

485
00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:19,399
Speaker 1: lot of games at Colorado. But we saw a couple

486
00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:22,880
Speaker 1: of players, a few players from the Colorado team two

487
00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:25,080
Speaker 1: years ago from this roster. One of them was just

488
00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:27,920
Speaker 1: drafted right and Christian Gonzalez in the first round went

489
00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:29,960
Speaker 1: to Oregon was one of the top cover corners in

490
00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:32,600
Speaker 1: the country. We saw Makai Blackman make a bunch of plays,

491
00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:36,160
Speaker 1: Brendan Rice both at USC There were players on this roster. Now,

492
00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:39,280
Speaker 1: were they Meltucker players? Well, yeah, that's a conversation, yes,

493
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Speaker 1: but I don't without having watched a ton of Colorado

494
00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:47,080
Speaker 1: last year, because why would you unless you were a

495
00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:49,960
Speaker 1: Buffs fan. There's a reason why you win. You go

496
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:51,920
Speaker 1: one and eleven? Was that what their final record was

497
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:55,000
Speaker 1: last year? One and eleven? And if you're Deon Sanders,

498
00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:59,960
Speaker 1: knowing that even with your name, hold that thought, hold

499
00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:02,160
Speaker 1: into this deal. Okay, I will go deep into Colorado.

500
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:04,720
Speaker 1: But I'm just saying Deon specific question. Maybe we'll do that.

501
00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:07,359
Speaker 1: Any coach, basically, any coach one hundred and twenty eight

502
00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:09,640
Speaker 1: of one hundred and thirty one or whatever. Coaches can

503
00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:12,280
Speaker 1: easily be fired after three years, especially if they're in

504
00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:14,160
Speaker 1: the Big ten or SEC, and there's much more money

505
00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:17,320
Speaker 1: to play around with buyout wise than ever. So coaches

506
00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:21,880
Speaker 1: feel the pressure to immediately transform a roster because this

507
00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:24,200
Speaker 1: is maybe their only opportunity to do so out of

508
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:26,000
Speaker 1: Power five play, So they have to take advantage. They

509
00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:27,800
Speaker 1: have to be quick, they have to be nimble, and

510
00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:30,600
Speaker 1: they have to redo the roster. Right. The previous guy

511
00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:33,000
Speaker 1: didn't know what he was doing. This is my time

512
00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:34,639
Speaker 1: to put a stamp on a roster. So I'm going

513
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:37,440
Speaker 1: to do it quickly, and that might mean forcing out

514
00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:41,680
Speaker 1: twenty seven players or nineteen players or in Deon Sanders's case,

515
00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:46,720
Speaker 1: four generations of players whatever, and so on a certain level,

516
00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:49,880
Speaker 1: you're like, these guys want to do everything they can

517
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:53,280
Speaker 1: within the rules to get in, and even if it's

518
00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:55,720
Speaker 1: not technically in the rules, even if they're operating in

519
00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:58,040
Speaker 1: a number of different shades of gray to bring in

520
00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:00,200
Speaker 1: a Florida state transfer, a West Virginia trans for a

521
00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:04,320
Speaker 1: Northern Texas transfer, whatever, the window is so short to

522
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:09,200
Speaker 1: do so that they want their own guys. Because Deon

523
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:11,640
Speaker 1: Sanders trying to win with Carl Durrell guys or melt

524
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:14,080
Speaker 1: Tucker guys who have been a part of a losing

525
00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:16,960
Speaker 1: culture for the past couple of seasons, especially last year,

526
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:20,640
Speaker 1: is just gonna reflect poorly on Dion. They're like, why

527
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:23,200
Speaker 1: can't you win with a bunch of low level Mountain

528
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:25,399
Speaker 1: West players in the PAC twelve? I get it, I

529
00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:27,520
Speaker 1: get it, And so on a certain level, it's not again,

530
00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:29,800
Speaker 1: not unique to Diana. We can talk more about it momentarily,

531
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:35,919
Speaker 1: but it has become a pretty anti player time, with

532
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:39,280
Speaker 1: the face of it being it used to be terrible.

533
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:41,520
Speaker 1: Now they can transfer freely and make money off of

534
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:44,800
Speaker 1: their name, image and likeness. But that's I think a

535
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:47,240
Speaker 1: very small percentage of rosters across the country. Give me

536
00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:47,880
Speaker 1: that sound again.

537
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:49,439
Speaker 2: I'm putting the glasses back on now.

538
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:54,000
Speaker 3: Internal affairs.

539
00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:56,399
Speaker 2: Boom, you look great, tie, Thank you, Dan.

540
00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:57,720
Speaker 1: I'm gonna keep them on for there. You just have

541
00:26:57,760 --> 00:26:59,840
Speaker 1: your sunglasses at your work desk, and all had them.

542
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:01,920
Speaker 1: I don't know why I had him here. I have

543
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:03,600
Speaker 1: toy with an eye. I can put him over my right.

544
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:04,639
Speaker 1: These bright lights.

545
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:07,159
Speaker 2: My man, you know how it is in the podcasting world.

546
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:10,280
Speaker 1: How am I looking?

547
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:11,879
Speaker 2: I don't even have you at when you see here?

548
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:14,840
Speaker 1: Oh my god, is that good? It's very old. It's

549
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:15,280
Speaker 1: very old.

550
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:19,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, congratulations, He turned to year older on this show. Okay,

551
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:22,879
Speaker 2: here's my question, very simple. Does Dion have an actual plan?

552
00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 1: Your thoughts?

553
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 2: Does he have an actual plan? Or is he just

554
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:31,760
Speaker 2: sort of spouting nonsense?

555
00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:33,800
Speaker 1: You know.

556
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:36,520
Speaker 2: It dawned to me when I watched some of his comments.

557
00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:39,680
Speaker 2: He did an interview with Pat McAfee when he talked

558
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:41,800
Speaker 2: about all these transfers, and Pat asked him a little

559
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 2: bit about it, and Dion remained pretty pretty emboldened, sure,

560
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:49,960
Speaker 2: pretty triumphant in the face of what seems like incredible

561
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:54,199
Speaker 2: roster turnover. And it dawned to me like, this is

562
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:59,640
Speaker 2: how people talk about conspiracy theories. You know, Oh, don't worry,

563
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:00,840
Speaker 2: it's in two weeks.

564
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:03,200
Speaker 1: Don't worry. You'll you'll find Wait till.

565
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:06,440
Speaker 2: You see the plan, the master plan, then you'll know.

566
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:09,440
Speaker 2: Then you'll then it'll make sense. Right And then you

567
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:12,400
Speaker 2: never see the master plan and there is no master plan.

568
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 2: It's just a lot of pomp and circumstance. Dion is

569
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 2: not above pomp and circumstance. Stan Dion made a brand

570
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 2: for himself on pomp and circumstance. I am excited to

571
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:27,120
Speaker 2: watch his brand of football. I'm infinitely curious to see

572
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:29,680
Speaker 2: which direction this whole thing goes. But with so many

573
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:33,080
Speaker 2: guys walking out the door, I think we can rest

574
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:34,920
Speaker 2: easy knowing that it's not going to be like a

575
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:37,040
Speaker 2: twelve and oh season in twenty twenty three. It may

576
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:39,800
Speaker 2: never get there at all, but it does beg the

577
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:42,200
Speaker 2: broader question of does this dude actually have a plan

578
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:45,440
Speaker 2: or is he just sort of, you know, creating a

579
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:46,960
Speaker 2: lot of dust where you at.

580
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:50,560
Speaker 1: Well, I know he has a plan, he has a vision.

581
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:53,560
Speaker 1: I think that's what planet. What is the vision? A

582
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:57,680
Speaker 1: mass as many good players on your roster, big, strong, fast,

583
00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 1: able players that can win our five games as humanly possible.

584
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 1: That's the short term plan, which is everybody's plan. He

585
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 1: just has more attension and a brighter spotlight on him

586
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 1: because of his name and how public he prefers to be,

587
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 1: doesn't he I think has Amazon cameras following him at

588
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:19,240
Speaker 1: all times? Is that what it is? His prime reality show?

589
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 1: Which good? Good for him for locking in.

590
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 2: That stems the whole prim thing I give. I give

591
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:26,400
Speaker 2: his marketing folks credit for that, and that's not bad.

592
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 1: And that's fine. All coaches attempt to do that right

593
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:34,040
Speaker 1: via social media, via exposure on ESPN or Fox or whatever.

594
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:36,680
Speaker 1: Exposure is a major part of this, and Deon Sanders

595
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 1: is a natural at drawing attention in a very positive

596
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 1: way to Rick four recruits for recruits family. Now you

597
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:45,480
Speaker 1: and I can step back and be like, eh, it

598
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 1: rubs us the wrong way. It doesn't matter, It doesn't matter.

599
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:52,160
Speaker 1: What the vision is right now is fully rebuild a

600
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:56,920
Speaker 1: roster and chase out guys who he watched or he

601
00:29:57,040 --> 00:30:00,360
Speaker 1: believes because of prior results, just do not have it

602
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:03,320
Speaker 1: in them to win nine, ten, eleven, twelve games in

603
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 1: the PAC twelve pack ten pack eight whatever it looks

604
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:09,880
Speaker 1: like Big twelve wherever the Colorado program is under Dion Sanders,

605
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:13,440
Speaker 1: that's the vision right now. It is totally unfair for

606
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:16,479
Speaker 1: either one of us to say I don't know if

607
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:20,120
Speaker 1: he has a vision without actually watching his team play football.

608
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:21,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally fair.

609
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:23,760
Speaker 1: It is totally unfair for us to sit back and

610
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 1: guess something like that. But what can he do at Colorado?

611
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 1: He can bring in good players. Colorado does not have

612
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:33,800
Speaker 1: a history of winning in the modern era. They have

613
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:36,680
Speaker 1: been the worst team in the Pac twelve era. So

614
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:38,720
Speaker 1: it is going to be difficult in a state. I

615
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:41,040
Speaker 1: had to look this up. It's the centennial state, I believe,

616
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:44,000
Speaker 1: the state of Colorado. They do not produce a ton

617
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:46,440
Speaker 1: of talent. When they were a Big ten or excuse me,

618
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:48,160
Speaker 1: a Big twelve team way back when they had the

619
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 1: Texas connection because they were playing against Texas schools. They're like, yes,

620
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 1: you can come to Colorado and get away for college,

621
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:56,240
Speaker 1: but still play at home in front of friends and family.

622
00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:56,600
Speaker 3: Whatever.

623
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Speaker 1: So Colorado has not been crazy successful going into California.

624
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 1: They have not been crazy successful going into Texas. You

625
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 1: have you know, Leavisca Chanault, you have the one off

626
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 1: guys like that going into other states and succeeding. So

627
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 1: Deon Sanders is going to say, hey, five star from Florida,

628
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:17,600
Speaker 1: Hey five star from wherever. Come to Colorado. A school

629
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 1: that is not necessarily near talent or doesn't necessarily have

630
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 1: a recent history of winning or recruiting crazy, well, come

631
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 1: to Colorado based solely on my force of personality and

632
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 1: what I sell to you as my vision. I think

633
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:33,480
Speaker 1: you can get stars to Colorado. I don't think you

634
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:37,280
Speaker 1: can build a crazy talented too deep. I don't think

635
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 1: you can build a program that is going to immediately

636
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 1: win ten games every year. It's starting next year. You know,

637
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:46,480
Speaker 1: you don't say anything in twenty twenty three, that's year one.

638
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:49,200
Speaker 1: So if you are to believe that you can rebuild

639
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 1: a roster quickly, and it is the core tenet of

640
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 1: Deon Sanders's existence as a head coach, that you can

641
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 1: rebuild a roster immediately and compete to win a ton

642
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:01,880
Speaker 1: of games playing the brand of football that you believe

643
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 1: in which look, he hired high quality assistant coaches. We

644
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:07,720
Speaker 1: believe Charles Kelly and Sean Lewis, all these guys from

645
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:10,480
Speaker 1: a bunch of different schools who won games in creative,

646
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 1: interesting ways. I just don't see Colorado as a place

647
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 1: to do that, and so I think his vision is

648
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:24,720
Speaker 1: get good coaches, get good players, be aggressive, and try

649
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:26,480
Speaker 1: to win a bunch of games. I don't see it

650
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 1: happening this year, but yeah, I think he has a plan.

651
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:34,000
Speaker 1: I think he definitely has a plan. I'm just not

652
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 1: a big believer in what he sees as realistic at Colorado.

653
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:41,960
Speaker 2: Well, and there's also an element of this where you say, well,

654
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 2: it's so crazy, maybe it'll work because in this portal era,

655
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 2: we have seen a lot of coaches go out there

656
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:50,960
Speaker 2: and be very aggressive. Right. We talked about Western Kentucky

657
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 2: last year. The year prior, they're very aggressive in the portal.

658
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 2: They would add pieces left and right. I have not looked,

659
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 2: admittedly to see what they've done this offseason, but I

660
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 2: think it stands that you can build a roster pretty quickly.

661
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:07,240
Speaker 2: You can upgrade yourself at multiple positions very very quickly

662
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 2: in a way that you couldn't be.

663
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 1: For the job can or you can convince yourself, or

664
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 1: you can convince you you're upgrading right that you're like, okay,

665
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 1: we have this roster at a low level place. Look

666
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 1: at this Clemson transfer, this Minnesota transfer, this Texas transfer,

667
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 1: and I think you can bathe in a sort of

668
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:29,160
Speaker 1: the art of the possible, Dan, Yeah, you can. You

669
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:33,480
Speaker 1: can bathe in this like talking yourself into Jacuzzi because

670
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:37,360
Speaker 1: of where this resume, Jacouzzie, when in fact, a lot

671
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:40,840
Speaker 1: of these guys failed, sure right, Sure were the recruiting

672
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:42,840
Speaker 1: ranking relative to how much they expected to be on

673
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:45,160
Speaker 1: the field relative to how much was expected of them.

674
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 1: You're talking about a West Virginia failure, a Texas failure,

675
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:49,800
Speaker 1: of Rinsota failure. There's state failure.

676
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:52,240
Speaker 2: There's been a I think a long standing joke now

677
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 2: among the college football media types out on Twitter about

678
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 2: the group of five linemen right now on the transfer portal,

679
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 2: and everybody wants to talk themselves into the next group

680
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 2: of five linemen that's out there could come in and

681
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:08,439
Speaker 2: make an impact to that end. From my previous question,

682
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 2: I could have also answered Auburn, because I think Auburn

683
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:13,040
Speaker 2: has low ki been very intriguing in the portal, and

684
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 2: they've added pieces along the lines specifically that can help

685
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:19,440
Speaker 2: them dig themselves out of the hole that they've been in.

686
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:23,800
Speaker 2: But that being set on the Colorado side.

687
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:24,959
Speaker 1: This element of it.

688
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 2: Being so crazy that it could work is something that

689
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:30,319
Speaker 2: maybe we should talk a little bit more about. You know,

690
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 2: if you tried the strategy in the old NCAA video game,

691
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 2: you would short out your roster, right. The game did

692
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:38,920
Speaker 2: not have the logic in it to know how to

693
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:42,919
Speaker 2: add enough people to give you the relevant too deep

694
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:44,920
Speaker 2: so you could actually play the game. I know because

695
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 2: I did this with Arizona State back in the day.

696
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:49,799
Speaker 2: The exact thing that Dion is doing, just get rid

697
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 2: of get rid of the old furniture. Is that what

698
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:55,920
Speaker 2: he said, get rid of the old furniture and luggage luggage, luggage, Yeah,

699
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:57,799
Speaker 2: get rid of it. Let's bring them in.

700
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:00,400
Speaker 1: I don't know.

701
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:03,840
Speaker 2: Here's the other issue. Here's the other issue.

702
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:06,239
Speaker 1: The other issue is you at least have to have

703
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 1: a core group that's been there, that understands the way,

704
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:14,399
Speaker 1: knows where the bathrooms are in the facility, knows where

705
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:17,239
Speaker 1: to you know, get lunch near campus whatever. You need

706
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:19,359
Speaker 1: that core group to show everybody how it's done.

707
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 3: Right.

708
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:22,359
Speaker 1: There's a reason why you have current players show around recruits, right.

709
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:24,759
Speaker 1: You want somebody to project this is how we do

710
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 1: things at Colorado. Welcome in this is how we do.

711
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 1: This is how we go and have a cookout as

712
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:32,960
Speaker 1: a defensive line or whatever. If you're dealing with everybody

713
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 1: new and there's no real existing leadership, carryover leadership on

714
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 1: the roster, you know, from the strain staff, whatever, and

715
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 1: everybody's just sort of and I think the term mercenaries

716
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 1: is like a weird loaded term, but for lack of

717
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:50,759
Speaker 1: a better term, Like everybody's coming in and finding themselves

718
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 1: in the same boat of being the new guy, Like

719
00:35:55,800 --> 00:36:00,480
Speaker 1: isn't a core element of succeeding in football culture. And

720
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 1: everybody's playing for each other else and everybody's sacrificing. Sure

721
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 1: I might not be starting, but you know, I'm a

722
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 1: rotation player and I'm playing my ass off when I

723
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:09,879
Speaker 1: do get my fourteen snaps or whatever. And so now

724
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 1: nobody knows each other, and everybody's coming to this place

725
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 1: from somewhere else, and we're all expecting them to come

726
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 1: together and like be in the same football family.

727
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 2: It's the story of America there.

728
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 1: It is. You're comparing coloradoing to the melting pot that

729
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:28,360
Speaker 1: is America.

730
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 2: The melting pot of college football.

731
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:31,400
Speaker 1: You look by the way you look right now, like

732
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:33,360
Speaker 1: I think his name is Guy the drummer from that

733
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:35,719
Speaker 1: thing you do like you just look like you took

734
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:38,759
Speaker 1: a break from playing. I can't take the A train.

735
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:40,879
Speaker 2: It's messing with my rods and cones man.

736
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:43,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I think it's a great look. It's tough

737
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:46,399
Speaker 1: continue anyway. No, that's that's all I'm saying that. We're

738
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:48,759
Speaker 1: just like, Okay, you talk about culture, What the hell

739
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:51,520
Speaker 1: is the culture at Colorado beyond? Just like, oh, got

740
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:55,120
Speaker 1: to pick up seven new people at the airport today. Yeah,

741
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 1: I don't know.

742
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 2: I'll have to put the America the beautiful sound back

743
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 2: on the board. Played that back in day for Jameis Winston.

744
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:07,759
Speaker 2: Play the sound, Give me that sound again, Dan, I'm

745
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:09,759
Speaker 2: done with the sunglasses. It's messing me up.

746
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 1: Which second year coach? Because we just finished our one

747
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:17,239
Speaker 1: year year one debrief? Do you think we'll be talking

748
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:21,319
Speaker 1: about next March as taking the leap? As in figuring

749
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:26,120
Speaker 1: out his team good, bad and ugly, diagnosing year one

750
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 1: mistakes and surging forward to a clearly better place. So

751
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 1: we did a year two debrief like, oh, this is

752
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:34,360
Speaker 1: the grower?

753
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 2: So are we talking about Like Sonny Diykes could be

754
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 2: an answer. Here are we talking about first year guys

755
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:41,320
Speaker 2: this year looking back.

756
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no. Sunny Dikes could be an answer, though

757
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:46,239
Speaker 1: it would be a very difficult case to make that

758
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 1: Sonny Dike's improved upon year one. You're talking to guys,

759
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:51,920
Speaker 1: guys that we just talked about, Yeah, christ of all,

760
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:57,239
Speaker 1: Napier Maguire, Kelly, like all those guys, Landing de boor

761
00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:00,719
Speaker 1: all of those guys, who is going to be able

762
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 1: to and some of those guys Lincoln Riley. Some of

763
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:04,440
Speaker 1: those guys had a bunch of success in year one,

764
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 1: so it'd be really hard to say they really figured

765
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 1: it out. Now. If USC has a top thirty national

766
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:15,319
Speaker 1: defense this year, lock In Riley would be a great answer. Sure.

767
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:18,120
Speaker 1: So which of those year one coaches that we already

768
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 1: spoke of do you see as becoming that killer diagnosis.

769
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:26,280
Speaker 3: Murder, diagnosis murder?

770
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:31,360
Speaker 2: And I hate to say this, but Brian Kelly.

771
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:35,880
Speaker 1: So they win the West, So you're saying LSU essentially

772
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 1: now is under Brian Kelly if he's diagnosing everything that

773
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 1: needed fixing, almost assuredly a playoff.

774
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 2: Team, their playoff caliber And okay, you know we did

775
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:52,560
Speaker 2: all these interviews Dan, and the one thing that I

776
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 2: think came out pretty boldly. It's hard to miss, not

777
00:38:57,760 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 2: just in the in the conversations we had with others,

778
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 2: but even the conversation between ourselves.

779
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:05,240
Speaker 1: The LSU Florida State.

780
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:07,600
Speaker 2: Game in week one is a monster game. Okay, wait,

781
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:10,239
Speaker 2: it is a monster game, and it is two legit

782
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 2: playoff contenders. I think it's two playoff contenders and LSU

783
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 2: could set the tone very early for what it looks

784
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 2: like now in year two under Brian Kelly. But his

785
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:25,879
Speaker 2: ability to build a team the right way, I've talked

786
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:27,399
Speaker 2: about it till I'm blue in the face. I don't

787
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 2: have to like the guy to prove it out. But

788
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:32,319
Speaker 2: he did that in slow motion at Notre Dame over

789
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 2: ten seasons however long he was there, and I think

790
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:37,440
Speaker 2: he can do that a lot quicker at LSU, not

791
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:40,280
Speaker 2: just because of the portal, but because it is probably

792
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:44,759
Speaker 2: an easier place recruit to so he I think had

793
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:47,480
Speaker 2: really good results in year one and I think he

794
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:50,360
Speaker 2: will build on that success in year two. And I

795
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 2: think especially because there is uncertainty around the rest of

796
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:56,279
Speaker 2: the SEC and the SEC West. Right when was the

797
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 2: last time we had about Georgia and Alabama in a

798
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 2: high PROFI file quarterback search, high profile quarterback contest. Both

799
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:06,960
Speaker 2: will probably be fine, But anytime you kind of have

800
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 2: that uncertainty on the top rung of the depth chart,

801
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 2: there's a bit of a vacuum and it needs to

802
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:16,279
Speaker 2: be filled. Who knows what to expect from Texas A

803
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:18,480
Speaker 2: and M this year. Who knows what to expect from

804
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:22,960
Speaker 2: Old Miss, from Mississippi State or Florida. There's so many

805
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:25,880
Speaker 2: questions around the SEC. I think it's a very interesting conference,

806
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:30,240
Speaker 2: more interesting perhaps than ever before because of the status

807
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:32,479
Speaker 2: of some of these rosters. And then you got little

808
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:37,839
Speaker 2: old LSU.

809
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:37,960
Speaker 1: With their best defensive player in the country.

810
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:41,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're in a really good spot, and so I

811
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:43,600
Speaker 2: think we could be having that conversation about Brian Kelly.

812
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:45,919
Speaker 1: It's not and I understand the bar is high after

813
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:48,759
Speaker 1: last season. I was gonna say that is the word delta, right.

814
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 1: The change the delta more dramatic for what LSU could

815
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:56,320
Speaker 1: be if everything aligns right, if they're more successful downfield

816
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:58,440
Speaker 1: on offense, if they play the run much better than

817
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:01,359
Speaker 1: they did at times last year. And then you talk

818
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:04,480
Speaker 1: about the Alabama and Georgia vacuum at quarterback. At the moment,

819
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:07,359
Speaker 1: new offensive coordinator for Bama. Now they lose, they gave

820
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 1: up what forty ish I think the text A and

821
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:11,360
Speaker 1: M thirty eight points or something like that. So they

822
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:13,720
Speaker 1: weren't perfect team last year. There was there's room for growth.

823
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:18,680
Speaker 1: But you're talking about a team that was surprisingly very

824
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:21,439
Speaker 1: good most of the time last year to a full

825
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:24,719
Speaker 1: on excellent lsu. If you are going to say I

826
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:26,920
Speaker 1: get it again, this is just me poking holes. If

827
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:29,799
Speaker 1: you were going to say the delta the improvement under

828
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:31,799
Speaker 1: Brian Kelly is going to be more pronounced than say

829
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:36,399
Speaker 1: Mario Cristobals or Billy Napiers or Lincoln Riley's That's tough

830
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 1: one though. Lincoln Rally's in that same boat, or any

831
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:41,480
Speaker 1: of these guys, Joey Maguire, any of these guys that

832
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:44,920
Speaker 1: were five hundred ish or not a Bowl team and

833
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 1: hands surged. You know, if close losses turned into close

834
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:51,839
Speaker 1: wins into eight nine win teams.

835
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 2: I think the jump from what felt like a almost

836
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:02,279
Speaker 2: Cinderella storyline last year to go from where ellis you

837
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 2: was in twenty twenty one to where it was a

838
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 2: couple of years where they got to in twenty twenty two.

839
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:10,440
Speaker 2: Now they're not that far removed from a national championship.

840
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:13,919
Speaker 2: So I'm taking some liberties by calling it to Cinderella's story.

841
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:16,759
Speaker 2: You get my point. You get my point. They got

842
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:19,040
Speaker 2: to a point of relative stability by the end of

843
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:22,439
Speaker 2: the season that none of us really saw coming, and

844
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:25,960
Speaker 2: I think that was a drastic improvement. The improvement now

845
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:28,400
Speaker 2: to jump up and be in that tier of teams

846
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:32,799
Speaker 2: on a more consistent basis is probably bigger than one

847
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:35,239
Speaker 2: might assume. I don't think they're that far off, but

848
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:37,880
Speaker 2: I think they get there consistently. I think Brian Kelly

849
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:41,279
Speaker 2: can do that. The other name that I'm going to

850
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:43,279
Speaker 2: throw out here, and maybe I'm just wish casting a

851
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:45,400
Speaker 2: little bit, but I really want to see Brent Venables

852
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 2: do it at Oklahoma.

853
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:47,840
Speaker 1: I think that's a good answer.

854
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:50,759
Speaker 2: I really want to see brand Venables do it. Go

855
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 2: back and listen to our year one debrief with Eddie

856
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:56,000
Speaker 2: or Dasovich of Sooner Scoop, where we talked through what

857
00:42:56,080 --> 00:43:00,680
Speaker 2: went down at at Oklahoma and in Norman brand Venables

858
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:03,240
Speaker 2: year one, some of the trials and tribulations of becoming

859
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:06,800
Speaker 2: the guy as opposed to the assistant that everybody wants.

860
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:09,480
Speaker 2: He had some issues that he had to work out,

861
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:12,120
Speaker 2: and I think as the year progressed, he figured some

862
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:15,719
Speaker 2: of that stuff out kind of you know, in the

863
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:17,880
Speaker 2: middle of all of it all. But now having a

864
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 2: full off season under his belt, the recruiting has been

865
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:24,879
Speaker 2: very strong. The talent is still on hand. He has

866
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:27,080
Speaker 2: some very real questions that he needs to answer, though,

867
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 2: and chief among them is how he's going to fix

868
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:32,360
Speaker 2: his defense. He's a defensive minded guy. That's kind of

869
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:35,239
Speaker 2: his pedigree, right, So if anybody's going to fix it,

870
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:38,360
Speaker 2: it's going to be Brand Venables. And with the talent

871
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:40,400
Speaker 2: that they've got on hand on offense, I think they

872
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 2: should be Okay. I want that to be the answer.

873
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:46,960
Speaker 2: I want year two Undervenables to be a huge success.

874
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:48,560
Speaker 2: And when we come back and we do a year

875
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 2: two debriefs, it's that if that's even a thing that

876
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:53,479
Speaker 2: we do. I want to talk about Oklahoma going into

877
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:58,080
Speaker 2: the SEC alongside Texas ramping this thing up. That would

878
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:00,880
Speaker 2: be a cool story. Not necessarily I'm going to the SEC,

879
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:04,360
Speaker 2: but just them ramping things up under kind of the

880
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:05,840
Speaker 2: Native Sun Brand Venables.

881
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 1: I'm not sure of that. I'm not.

882
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:12,360
Speaker 2: Over and above confident that this is going to be

883
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:14,239
Speaker 2: a story that we have in the same way that

884
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:17,040
Speaker 2: I'm not confident for Mary Crystaball, nor am I confident

885
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 2: for billion Apier, But I'm probably a little bit more

886
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:21,480
Speaker 2: confident in brand Venables being the one that can turn

887
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 2: it around.

888
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:25,719
Speaker 1: See, I like Brand Venables over Mario Crystaball because Oklahoma's

889
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:28,840
Speaker 1: who Klahoma is a place where just basically everybody wins.

890
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:30,960
Speaker 1: It's a place that is set up to win a

891
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:32,960
Speaker 1: bunch of games. Oklahoma's in a tougher spot because the

892
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:37,680
Speaker 1: Big twelve is just it has such a high floor

893
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 1: at the moment, yep, and so the path to dramatic

894
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:45,319
Speaker 1: improvement it's just trickier. But I do think Oklahoma in

895
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:49,440
Speaker 1: terms of having brand Venables, having a returning quarterback, you know,

896
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:52,239
Speaker 1: recruiting like they did in this past class, to like

897
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 1: add in some youth into the rotation on defense, especially

898
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 1: you know Peyton Bowing. I think they had a big

899
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:00,279
Speaker 1: time edg Rusher come in. I forget his name. So

900
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:03,879
Speaker 1: to me, it's I think Oklahoma is my answer over

901
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:06,799
Speaker 1: lsu Over. But this is a question for you, not

902
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:09,200
Speaker 1: for me. Just I just think the lows were so

903
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:13,640
Speaker 1: low that even returning to an average bad day rather

904
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:16,000
Speaker 1: than a catastrophic bad day and not having to write

905
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 1: it was at Davis Bebble was he who played in

906
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 1: the Red River shoot Like, just avoiding those lows I

907
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 1: think is going to bring Oklahoma to a much better winning.

908
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:27,839
Speaker 2: I also think very quickly and that we should get

909
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 2: to the next question here.

910
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:29,239
Speaker 3: Yeah.

911
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:31,680
Speaker 2: I also think there is an opportunity for Brent Prye

912
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:35,160
Speaker 2: at Virginia Tech. They won three games last season. The

913
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 2: roster is still not in a great place, but I

914
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:40,400
Speaker 2: think he learned a lot. He's another guy who was

915
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:44,440
Speaker 2: in a very similar position to Venables, much lower profile,

916
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:49,160
Speaker 2: albeit very very much lower profile than Venables. But at

917
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:51,239
Speaker 2: the same time, he was another guy who was a

918
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:54,120
Speaker 2: DC coming down trying to figure this thing out, was

919
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:56,920
Speaker 2: familiar with the area before and it just took him

920
00:45:56,920 --> 00:45:57,279
Speaker 2: a while.

921
00:45:57,800 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 1: So we'll see. I don't know.

922
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:01,920
Speaker 2: I'm hopeful on that front. Let's go next question. Give

923
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 2: me that sound again. I love that sound.

924
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:11,799
Speaker 1: Internal event, Don Lafontaine. Is that the voice I'm thinking of?

925
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:18,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, Dad, Yeah, the echoes were awoken last week. The

926
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 2: thunder shaken down from the sky. Another member of the

927
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:27,239
Speaker 2: Notre Dame Fighting Irish taking his talents to the Southeast.

928
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:32,400
Speaker 2: Tyler Buckner, Yeah, guy, the real TB twelve going south,

929
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:36,360
Speaker 2: former four star. He was Notre Dame starting quarterback. He

930
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:38,680
Speaker 2: had a cup of coffee as a starting quarterback last season.

931
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 1: Got hurt, yep, got hurt.

932
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:40,879
Speaker 3: YEP.

933
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:44,319
Speaker 2: I was all in on Buckner until I wasn't. Very

934
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 2: Suddenly I've watched the kid.

935
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:47,840
Speaker 1: I like the kid.

936
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 2: I do have to ask, though, with him now signing

937
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 2: on to be one of the quarterbacks in the running

938
00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:58,799
Speaker 2: for I guess the starter. I can't even believe I'm

939
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:04,480
Speaker 2: saying that at Alabama. Does Alabama have a quarterback problem?

940
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 2: A quarterback problem going into.

941
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:11,920
Speaker 1: Twenty relative relative to a program that has had Jalen

942
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:16,480
Speaker 1: Hurts and two A Tongovailoa and mac Joe race Ie

943
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:22,239
Speaker 1: Young Ye consecutively. Yes, it is unusual for Alabama to

944
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:24,279
Speaker 1: be in this position because there's always we talked about

945
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:26,480
Speaker 1: this a couple shows ago. It's unusual for Alabama to

946
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:28,879
Speaker 1: be in this position. We're like, A, it's not really

947
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:31,720
Speaker 1: an obvious guy at the moment, and nobody really looked

948
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:34,719
Speaker 1: to have much more command in the aight A game,

949
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:36,440
Speaker 1: the spring game for Alabama. I don't know how much

950
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:38,160
Speaker 1: of that game you watched. I watched the first half

951
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:40,760
Speaker 1: of that game just to sort of see the poise

952
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 1: and how they were using guys and see what the

953
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:45,680
Speaker 1: Tommy Reese offense would look like at Alabama. Looked a

954
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:48,040
Speaker 1: lot like the Tommy Reese offense at Notre Dame in

955
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:52,520
Speaker 1: that everything seemed difficult. In the passing game, even completed passes.

956
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 1: There weren't a lot of just guys running free that

957
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:57,480
Speaker 1: they were schemed open because there was an option route

958
00:47:57,480 --> 00:47:59,799
Speaker 1: and safety took a bad angle or something like that.

959
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:03,080
Speaker 1: Now we're talking about ty Simpson and Jalen Milroe throwing

960
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 1: into the Alabama defense, which is difficult to do. But

961
00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:09,399
Speaker 1: I still remember some Alabama spring games, some A day

962
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:12,040
Speaker 1: games where Bryce Young threw into that same defense, and

963
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:14,080
Speaker 1: Toa threw into that same defense, and they were really

964
00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:16,279
Speaker 1: good even with the talent on the other side of

965
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 1: the ball. As it relates to Tyler Buckner, I don't

966
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:22,200
Speaker 1: think there's a clear guy for Alabama at the moment.

967
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:25,000
Speaker 1: He's familiar with Tommy Reese's offense. It's always good to

968
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:28,799
Speaker 1: have quarterback depth. Is always the possibility that when ty

969
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:31,680
Speaker 1: Simpson or Jalen Morrow find out that they're not the

970
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:35,440
Speaker 1: guy that they leave Alabama. There's always that possibility, no

971
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:37,760
Speaker 1: matter what they say or don't say publicly, there's always

972
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:43,800
Speaker 1: that possibility. And to have Tyler Buckner, who probably isn't

973
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:47,239
Speaker 1: a very good power five starting quarterback, especially at the

974
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:48,960
Speaker 1: top of the top of the top of the sport,

975
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 1: might be one of the best backup quarterbacks in the country.

976
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:55,240
Speaker 1: And we all know sometimes you need a backup quarterback.

977
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:57,239
Speaker 1: Jalen Molrow, who did he start against last year when

978
00:48:57,239 --> 00:48:59,760
Speaker 1: Bryce Young went down Arkansas? I want to say, yeah,

979
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:03,240
Speaker 1: not easy to go and beat Arkansas on a moment's notice,

980
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:08,319
Speaker 1: So I'm okay with it. He knows the offense, he

981
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:11,520
Speaker 1: and the coordinator are familiar with it. In terms of

982
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:14,279
Speaker 1: the guys that are there right now in Milroe and

983
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:17,600
Speaker 1: ty Simpson, neither one seemed to have great command. I

984
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:19,960
Speaker 1: thought ty Simpson was a little bit late. There was

985
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:21,759
Speaker 1: not a hitch on his throat, but it was just

986
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 1: like he delayed a little bit going downfield, a little

987
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:27,600
Speaker 1: bit more than he should have. Receivers didn't really seemed open,

988
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:30,480
Speaker 1: didn't really seem open, so they were squeezing in a

989
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:33,799
Speaker 1: lot even when they were completing passes. I just thought

990
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:36,399
Speaker 1: they looked tentative and we're going underneath and weren't sure

991
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:38,920
Speaker 1: of the timing of going downfield. So I don't know

992
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:40,600
Speaker 1: if that's a Tommy Reese thing. I've long been a

993
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:44,719
Speaker 1: re skeptic, but maybe I'm alone on that island. I

994
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:48,920
Speaker 1: just I can understand that if somebody is not really

995
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:51,800
Speaker 1: standing out at a place like Alabama with the line

996
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:53,600
Speaker 1: that should be in front of them, with the receiving

997
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:56,360
Speaker 1: and running of Justice Haynes looks really good as a

998
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:58,680
Speaker 1: running back next to them. If somebody's not standing out,

999
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:02,239
Speaker 1: bring in co competition. It's an amazing luxury to have

1000
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:03,879
Speaker 1: if you're a place like Alabama.

1001
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:07,480
Speaker 2: I mean, so a couple thoughts here, Yeah, bouncing around

1002
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:11,960
Speaker 2: my head. When Buckner announced his intention to transfer, when

1003
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:14,840
Speaker 2: he threw his name in the portal, I texted with

1004
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:20,480
Speaker 2: three or four friends of mine about this, asking where

1005
00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:21,319
Speaker 2: do you think he's going?

1006
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:25,680
Speaker 1: Northwestern in San Diego stay, Yeah, And everybody had heard

1007
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:28,439
Speaker 1: the Alabama rumor, and I don't know if anybody really

1008
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:30,000
Speaker 1: bought it right.

1009
00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:36,520
Speaker 2: It didn't seem logical. This is the same team Tommy

1010
00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:39,480
Speaker 2: Reese and Tyler Buckner that brought you a five point

1011
00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:43,600
Speaker 2: home loss to Marshall last year. So the thought now

1012
00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:47,760
Speaker 2: that he's going to step in and be effective against

1013
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:52,279
Speaker 2: SEC defenses, better competition, maybe a better supporting cast, But

1014
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:57,600
Speaker 2: still that to me is a stretch. And I'd love

1015
00:50:57,640 --> 00:50:59,360
Speaker 2: to be proven wrong because I was all in on

1016
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:03,759
Speaker 2: Buckner when Notre Dame recruited him, But after seeing him play,

1017
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:06,600
Speaker 2: you want to talk about hitches in your throes, I

1018
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:11,040
Speaker 2: can show you Tyler Buckner's mechanics. That to me, it's

1019
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:14,760
Speaker 2: an incredible stretch. And so I think my broader point

1020
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:16,359
Speaker 2: is and I said this to some of the same

1021
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:19,239
Speaker 2: friends that I texted with, if Tyler Buckner is going

1022
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:21,000
Speaker 2: to be the guy for Alabama, bet the under an

1023
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:24,680
Speaker 2: Alabama or bet the under a number of games started

1024
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:27,520
Speaker 2: by Tyler Buckner, because I just don't see that being

1025
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:32,480
Speaker 2: a tenable long term solution throughout twenty twenty three or beyond,

1026
00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:33,800
Speaker 2: which is not going to happen.

1027
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:34,480
Speaker 1: Now.

1028
00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:37,759
Speaker 2: I've been wrong many times before, but just don't see it.

1029
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:42,279
Speaker 2: I don't see that happening. I know you've also been

1030
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:47,360
Speaker 2: the Tommy reskeptic between us, Yeah, but I also have

1031
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:49,520
Speaker 2: asked the question, most recently on the show that we

1032
00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:51,400
Speaker 2: did with Pete Sampson a couple of weeks ago. But

1033
00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:53,879
Speaker 2: go back and listen to it. I asked the question,

1034
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:58,960
Speaker 2: is Tommy Reese good? Is he a good offensive coordinator?

1035
00:51:59,280 --> 00:51:59,560
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1036
00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:02,840
Speaker 2: I think a consensus answer to that question has been, well,

1037
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:05,799
Speaker 2: you think Nick Saban's going to hire a dud for

1038
00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:07,319
Speaker 2: his offensive for he's.

1039
00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:09,920
Speaker 1: The best, best coach of all time? No, And I'm

1040
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:13,200
Speaker 1: sure there's been overtures from NFL seems all that stuff. Yeah,

1041
00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:14,360
Speaker 1: Sabin has.

1042
00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:17,160
Speaker 2: Done enough at this juncture to earn the benefit of

1043
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:17,560
Speaker 2: the doubt.

1044
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:22,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, but hold on, I love you positioning this to

1045
00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:25,680
Speaker 1: be like, who am I to question Nick Saban? But

1046
00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:28,680
Speaker 1: on the other hand, yeah.

1047
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:33,160
Speaker 2: He's not always right. He's not He's still human, he's

1048
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:34,120
Speaker 2: not infallible.

1049
00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:36,239
Speaker 1: There were some Bill O'Brien offenses that I were not

1050
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:38,960
Speaker 1: that I word that I was not a fan of watching. Yeah.

1051
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:43,120
Speaker 2: So you know, this idea that Nick Saban's the best

1052
00:52:43,120 --> 00:52:47,279
Speaker 2: coach of all time is true. But something else that

1053
00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:50,719
Speaker 2: could be true is Tommy Reese has never been in

1054
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:55,000
Speaker 2: this high profile type of situation before, and there were

1055
00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:57,279
Speaker 2: moments of his offense at Notre Dame that left the

1056
00:52:57,320 --> 00:53:01,239
Speaker 2: little to be desired and also the best quarterback that

1057
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:04,279
Speaker 2: he developed in his time was even book. I don't

1058
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:04,839
Speaker 2: think it was that good.

1059
00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:07,239
Speaker 1: He's a college quarterback, but right, you.

1060
00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:10,080
Speaker 2: Know, he did a lot with one read and if

1061
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:11,399
Speaker 2: it's not there, then just run.

1062
00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:12,080
Speaker 1: So I just.

1063
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:17,040
Speaker 2: I'm very skeptical about this, and I would look for

1064
00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:21,000
Speaker 2: Alabama to add another quarterback in the tree.

1065
00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:22,600
Speaker 1: Quarterback, Okay, I I.

1066
00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:25,720
Speaker 2: Think they should. I'd be very careful.

1067
00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:27,640
Speaker 1: They have Eli Holstein, so they've got four there. They

1068
00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:28,800
Speaker 1: I get it.

1069
00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:31,680
Speaker 2: I don't know, just add somebody else, Yeah, because I

1070
00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:32,840
Speaker 2: don't I don't know if any of the guys in

1071
00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:33,720
Speaker 2: the roster or the answer.

1072
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:39,080
Speaker 1: So this this scenario means that it's not crazy to

1073
00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:42,080
Speaker 1: assume that at some point Tommy Reese and Tyler Buckner,

1074
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:44,799
Speaker 1: who have a relationship, who know each other, at some

1075
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:47,040
Speaker 1: point I had a phone call or a text message,

1076
00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:51,160
Speaker 1: you know, exchange that included something like, Bro, you can

1077
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:54,759
Speaker 1: beat these guys out right. I think so, Bro, there's

1078
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:56,279
Speaker 1: no reason you can't win this show. I think so.

1079
00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:59,560
Speaker 1: And that's that's what troubles me, Dan. It troubles me

1080
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:02,320
Speaker 1: for Alabama as an Alabama viewer.

1081
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:05,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just you know, I'm not rooting against Alabama

1082
00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:07,640
Speaker 2: I'm not even rooting against Buckner or Reese or Saban

1083
00:54:07,719 --> 00:54:08,520
Speaker 2: or any of these guys.

1084
00:54:08,560 --> 00:54:10,719
Speaker 1: But I don't know.

1085
00:54:12,080 --> 00:54:15,600
Speaker 2: Buckner had a shot, right, he had a shot, and

1086
00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:19,400
Speaker 2: he wasn't going to beat out Sam Hartman, who's very good, frankly,

1087
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:21,880
Speaker 2: who I was worried would go to Alabama with Tommy

1088
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:26,240
Speaker 2: Reeves and didn't. Right, he's not going to beat out Hartman.

1089
00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:30,319
Speaker 2: His spring game was kind of a mess. Yeah, we've

1090
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:35,280
Speaker 2: been waiting holding our breath for Tyler Buckner to become

1091
00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:37,799
Speaker 2: the Tyler Buckner that was a four star out of

1092
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:40,799
Speaker 2: southern California, originally from your part of the world now

1093
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:44,200
Speaker 2: and brought with him a ton of a ton of promise.

1094
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:48,160
Speaker 2: We just have not seen that. And he's really fast.

1095
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:51,040
Speaker 2: He's really fast. He could run and maybe they recruited

1096
00:54:51,080 --> 00:54:53,799
Speaker 2: him for that. He's got a walky throwing motion, and

1097
00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:55,759
Speaker 2: I'm just not sure he's gonna be the dude at Alabama.

1098
00:54:55,880 --> 00:54:56,160
Speaker 3: I would be.

1099
00:54:56,280 --> 00:54:59,240
Speaker 1: I just to me, that's a stretch. How many schools

1100
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:04,680
Speaker 1: have continually hit on at least having a good quarterback

1101
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:10,239
Speaker 1: consecutively that you have an unbroken chain of good quarterbacks Oklahoma.

1102
00:55:12,080 --> 00:55:13,920
Speaker 2: Oklahoma's been very good with it.

1103
00:55:14,680 --> 00:55:19,000
Speaker 1: But Oklahoma has been very good with it. Dilan Gabriel was, Okay,

1104
00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:20,600
Speaker 1: I'll give Dillan Gabriel the benefit of the doubt, but

1105
00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:22,880
Speaker 1: it was certainly a dip from where they were, a

1106
00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:25,760
Speaker 1: noticeable dip where Alabama really hasn't had that.

1107
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:31,080
Speaker 2: That may have been more scheme than than player, but injury, yeah,

1108
00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:31,759
Speaker 2: I'll give you that.

1109
00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:37,520
Speaker 1: It's kind of at this moment. Ohio State Clemson, I

1110
00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:41,080
Speaker 1: think that chain was broken these past couple of years. YEA, sure,

1111
00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:44,319
Speaker 1: I don't know how Like USC had it for a

1112
00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:46,960
Speaker 1: while kind of, but then you get into like the

1113
00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:51,279
Speaker 1: Cody Kessler like it sort of faded. USC faded, Like

1114
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:55,879
Speaker 1: how many schools have that unbroken chain of really good quarterbacks.

1115
00:55:56,840 --> 00:55:58,840
Speaker 1: Oregon lost it. They had a great chain going, but

1116
00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:04,279
Speaker 1: they lost it. I think pre Herbert, it's tough to

1117
00:56:04,360 --> 00:56:05,040
Speaker 1: keep Herbert.

1118
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:07,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean we could rack our brains for hours here.

1119
00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:09,640
Speaker 1: But yeah, so this is this is a unique situation

1120
00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:12,200
Speaker 1: you're talking about with Alabama that Tommy Reese on the

1121
00:56:12,239 --> 00:56:15,080
Speaker 1: ground had some sort of exchange with Tyler Buckner. I said,

1122
00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:17,200
Speaker 1: you know, when the job you can these guys are

1123
00:56:17,239 --> 00:56:22,040
Speaker 1: not crazy good. So that's fascinating to me next question.

1124
00:56:23,239 --> 00:56:24,440
Speaker 2: I need the sound that you need to put the

1125
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:24,759
Speaker 2: sound in.

1126
00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:26,320
Speaker 1: Sorry, thank damn.

1127
00:56:29,360 --> 00:56:31,760
Speaker 2: Man, blood flowing continue.

1128
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:35,720
Speaker 1: All right, it's easy for me. I'll speak for myself

1129
00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:41,719
Speaker 1: to sort of bemoan the future of college football with realignment. Right,

1130
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:46,080
Speaker 1: we're consolidating. Here we go. Listen, hear me out, hear

1131
00:56:46,080 --> 00:56:46,359
Speaker 1: me out.

1132
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:46,800
Speaker 3: Go ahead.

1133
00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:49,360
Speaker 1: It's easy for me to complain because I do it

1134
00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:54,120
Speaker 1: a lot. That's what I do. So let me flip it.

1135
00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:58,160
Speaker 1: What do you see as the positives if the if

1136
00:56:58,200 --> 00:57:01,960
Speaker 1: the future of the sport is a huge, big ten,

1137
00:57:02,040 --> 00:57:04,759
Speaker 1: a huge sec and you know they're picking off West

1138
00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:07,680
Speaker 1: Coast teams, ACC teams, you know, in the next decade

1139
00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:13,280
Speaker 1: or whatever, in ten twelve years, and we're pushing everybody

1140
00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:16,360
Speaker 1: else to the margins, and the Big twelve is in

1141
00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:19,400
Speaker 1: there but not necessarily viewed as the same whatever whatever

1142
00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:22,720
Speaker 1: we see as an obvious destination for college football. Sure,

1143
00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:27,440
Speaker 1: what are the positives? Because I want to play devil's advocate,

1144
00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:29,360
Speaker 1: or I want you to play devil's advocate for me,

1145
00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:32,880
Speaker 1: because I think you are naturally a little bit more optimistic.

1146
00:57:33,480 --> 00:57:37,720
Speaker 1: So what are the positives about where the sport is

1147
00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:44,800
Speaker 1: heading that we don't all see right now. Maybe, well, yeah,

1148
00:57:44,840 --> 00:57:45,360
Speaker 1: you have to.

1149
00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:49,360
Speaker 2: I think approach it short term, long term. Yeah, through

1150
00:57:49,480 --> 00:57:54,840
Speaker 2: through that lens. Short term for fans, you will see

1151
00:57:54,840 --> 00:58:00,720
Speaker 2: some new and interesting matchups. Short term for fans, it

1152
00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:03,439
Speaker 2: plays into a little bit why we love Week one.

1153
00:58:03,560 --> 00:58:06,120
Speaker 2: It's not just a new season starting. You get some

1154
00:58:06,200 --> 00:58:09,120
Speaker 2: really interesting non conference matchups and it will feel that

1155
00:58:09,160 --> 00:58:10,040
Speaker 2: way for a while.

1156
00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:13,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, new travel, new faces, everything.

1157
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:19,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, you will get weird USC versus per Due matchups that.

1158
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:22,600
Speaker 1: Can't can't the Neil Armstrong ball, Yeah, the Neil r

1159
00:58:23,120 --> 00:58:26,920
Speaker 1: can't wait, can't wait, play the Bart Scott sound. But

1160
00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:30,480
Speaker 1: you will get weird combinations like that that make it

1161
00:58:30,520 --> 00:58:33,280
Speaker 1: feel like something new and novel. And it may not

1162
00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:35,360
Speaker 1: be a close game on the field, but the matchup

1163
00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:38,479
Speaker 1: is at least interesting, So I think that's a short

1164
00:58:38,600 --> 00:58:43,280
Speaker 1: term benefit. I also think stylistically, and maybe I'm just

1165
00:58:43,840 --> 00:58:50,040
Speaker 1: focused mainly on the USC UCLA Big ten thing, but stylistically,

1166
00:58:50,040 --> 00:58:51,520
Speaker 1: there are a whole lot of teams that play like

1167
00:58:51,600 --> 00:58:53,840
Speaker 1: USC in the Big ten right now, maybe Ohio State.

1168
00:58:54,960 --> 00:58:57,920
Speaker 1: But how that evolves.

1169
00:58:57,400 --> 00:58:59,560
Speaker 2: In the short and medium and long term I think

1170
00:58:59,560 --> 00:59:02,040
Speaker 2: will be very interesting. Do more teams evolve to play

1171
00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:03,720
Speaker 2: the USC brand?

1172
00:59:03,760 --> 00:59:04,280
Speaker 1: Of football.

1173
00:59:04,600 --> 00:59:07,959
Speaker 2: Does USC eventually evolve into more of a smash mouth

1174
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:09,600
Speaker 2: Wisconsin style for I don't know.

1175
00:59:10,080 --> 00:59:10,440
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1176
00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:13,920
Speaker 2: I have my assumptions, but I think styles make fights,

1177
00:59:13,960 --> 00:59:17,360
Speaker 2: as we've said time and again on this show, and stylistically,

1178
00:59:17,400 --> 00:59:20,240
Speaker 2: there's a contrast there between some of the newcomers and

1179
00:59:20,280 --> 00:59:22,400
Speaker 2: the old guard that I think, in the short term

1180
00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:27,120
Speaker 2: makes it for interesting viewing. Bigger picture, I think a

1181
00:59:27,160 --> 00:59:32,920
Speaker 2: couple things. Okay, bigger picture, I hope because the money

1182
00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:38,760
Speaker 2: is so so, like just overwhelming now, I hope that

1183
00:59:38,840 --> 00:59:41,880
Speaker 2: some of that money is poured into other programs at

1184
00:59:41,880 --> 00:59:46,320
Speaker 2: these schools. I hope the benefits of one hundred million

1185
00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:50,040
Speaker 2: dollars a year or whatever whatever USC isn't burning off

1186
00:59:50,040 --> 00:59:54,040
Speaker 2: with travel Okay fuel, Yeah, there'll be a lot that

1187
00:59:54,120 --> 00:59:57,000
Speaker 2: comes out in airline fuel.

1188
00:59:57,680 --> 00:59:58,880
Speaker 1: But I hope that.

1189
01:00:00,960 --> 01:00:05,000
Speaker 2: Other programs that typically don't get the benefit get the benefit,

1190
01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:07,640
Speaker 2: that some of that money could be reinvested in some

1191
01:00:07,680 --> 01:00:10,720
Speaker 2: of these athletic programs. I don't know what that looks like.

1192
01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:14,800
Speaker 2: I've never been in the front office of college football

1193
01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:17,760
Speaker 2: or college athletic program but I hope that some of

1194
01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:21,720
Speaker 2: that money can go to others. I also hope that,

1195
01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:25,360
Speaker 2: and I suspect this will get us closer to a

1196
01:00:25,400 --> 01:00:28,840
Speaker 2: model where you talked earlier about the current system being

1197
01:00:28,960 --> 01:00:30,640
Speaker 2: very secretly antiplayer.

1198
01:00:31,560 --> 01:00:35,760
Speaker 1: I hope this money not antiplayer as it was before,

1199
01:00:35,960 --> 01:00:40,160
Speaker 1: just a new kind of an anti player with better marketing. Sure,

1200
01:00:40,720 --> 01:00:45,080
Speaker 1: I hope that this influx of money really rips the

1201
01:00:45,160 --> 01:00:48,479
Speaker 1: veil off of what the sport is. And with all

1202
01:00:48,560 --> 01:00:51,240
Speaker 1: the TV money coming in, and with the executives essentially

1203
01:00:51,280 --> 01:00:54,400
Speaker 1: running college football, I think in due time it will

1204
01:00:54,440 --> 01:00:57,120
Speaker 1: become very, very hard to deny the fact that these

1205
01:00:57,160 --> 01:01:02,920
Speaker 1: are employees of colleges. Can I ask you a personal question, please,

1206
01:01:04,880 --> 01:01:08,440
Speaker 1: did you ever date somebody and find yourself after a

1207
01:01:08,440 --> 01:01:11,600
Speaker 1: certain amount of time two months, three months, eight months, whatever,

1208
01:01:12,800 --> 01:01:16,880
Speaker 1: being blindsided by the question of so what are we?

1209
01:01:19,240 --> 01:01:24,680
Speaker 1: Because I don't think this sport, whatever, this sport actually means,

1210
01:01:25,640 --> 01:01:30,080
Speaker 1: can keep ducking that question. I agree. As money increases,

1211
01:01:30,240 --> 01:01:36,720
Speaker 1: as visibility increases, as consolidation for money and TV reasons

1212
01:01:36,720 --> 01:01:40,320
Speaker 1: and exposure reasons and window West Coast window reasons, whatever.

1213
01:01:41,240 --> 01:01:46,200
Speaker 1: I don't think the people running conferences, the people that

1214
01:01:47,040 --> 01:01:50,520
Speaker 1: want the best for the sport. I don't think the

1215
01:01:50,640 --> 01:01:53,920
Speaker 1: question of so what are we? When you kind of

1216
01:01:54,000 --> 01:01:57,520
Speaker 1: already know, but are not taking the steps either away

1217
01:01:57,560 --> 01:01:59,840
Speaker 1: from something or towards something. I don't think that can

1218
01:01:59,880 --> 01:02:03,800
Speaker 1: be avoided now when we get to what appears to

1219
01:02:03,840 --> 01:02:07,280
Speaker 1: be again super conferences and you know that conference in

1220
01:02:07,320 --> 01:02:11,960
Speaker 1: the Disney conference. So that's what I'm saying is employees,

1221
01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:15,560
Speaker 1: here's what the portal is, here's what NIL is and

1222
01:02:15,680 --> 01:02:18,160
Speaker 1: or here's what NIL isn't and here's what the portal isn't.

1223
01:02:18,200 --> 01:02:20,480
Speaker 1: And here's what collectives are, and here's what collectives aren't.

1224
01:02:20,520 --> 01:02:21,680
Speaker 1: And this is what we're on the hook for. And

1225
01:02:21,720 --> 01:02:24,160
Speaker 1: this is what we're not on the hook for. That

1226
01:02:24,280 --> 01:02:27,000
Speaker 1: I think is the big positive thing that this is

1227
01:02:27,040 --> 01:02:31,720
Speaker 1: going to force the hand of you, of me, the

1228
01:02:31,760 --> 01:02:37,000
Speaker 1: goobers who avoid such questions so unsuccessful, right, I interject personally,

1229
01:02:37,320 --> 01:02:40,919
Speaker 1: very yeah, so what are we? Yeah?

1230
01:02:41,000 --> 01:02:44,880
Speaker 2: I mean, look that that is I think the longer

1231
01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:47,640
Speaker 2: term gain out of this. It becomes very difficult to

1232
01:02:47,680 --> 01:02:51,120
Speaker 2: avoid that question. Yeah, because there's so much money in it,

1233
01:02:51,520 --> 01:02:54,560
Speaker 2: and because money and TV rights and the like are

1234
01:02:54,760 --> 01:02:57,040
Speaker 2: clearly the governing body of the sport, the only governing

1235
01:02:57,040 --> 01:02:59,360
Speaker 2: body of the sport. Let's be real. There's a reason

1236
01:02:59,400 --> 01:03:02,360
Speaker 2: the nc double A hired Charlie Baker, a former governor

1237
01:03:03,240 --> 01:03:06,160
Speaker 2: still a politician to run things because they know that

1238
01:03:06,240 --> 01:03:08,200
Speaker 2: this is getting awfully big in the window and it's

1239
01:03:08,240 --> 01:03:13,160
Speaker 2: becoming unavoidable. The questions anytime you've got this much money

1240
01:03:13,200 --> 01:03:15,560
Speaker 2: on the line tend to get louder or not softer,

1241
01:03:16,160 --> 01:03:19,800
Speaker 2: and eventually we will get to a place where somebody

1242
01:03:20,160 --> 01:03:23,280
Speaker 2: successfully goes before a court and is able to prove

1243
01:03:23,320 --> 01:03:28,320
Speaker 2: out that players should be getting some cut of this thing. Now,

1244
01:03:28,520 --> 01:03:31,000
Speaker 2: some cut of this thing. I have long said, and

1245
01:03:31,040 --> 01:03:32,880
Speaker 2: you know this is maybe the only thing I've ever

1246
01:03:32,920 --> 01:03:35,520
Speaker 2: been consistent on in this show. But going back to

1247
01:03:35,600 --> 01:03:38,800
Speaker 2: the very beginning, I've long said the biggest problem with

1248
01:03:38,840 --> 01:03:41,960
Speaker 2: college football is the college part. The fact that they

1249
01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:46,240
Speaker 2: try to mix what is certainly now, maybe not to

1250
01:03:46,280 --> 01:03:50,360
Speaker 2: this extent twenty years ago, but certainly now on money

1251
01:03:50,360 --> 01:03:55,280
Speaker 2: sport with this veil of student athletes. And we want

1252
01:03:55,280 --> 01:03:57,120
Speaker 2: our guys to graduate, and this is something that we

1253
01:03:57,160 --> 01:03:59,400
Speaker 2: also care about. It's hard to live in both those

1254
01:03:59,400 --> 01:04:02,320
Speaker 2: worlds actually now with the transfer portal and nil, and

1255
01:04:02,440 --> 01:04:05,600
Speaker 2: especially with these TV contracts that we're talking about, you

1256
01:04:05,720 --> 01:04:08,960
Speaker 2: just can't have it both ways. And so, if anything,

1257
01:04:09,000 --> 01:04:11,520
Speaker 2: I think this new era that we're in that everybody's

1258
01:04:11,600 --> 01:04:14,920
Speaker 2: kind of bummed out about vaguely. Eventually, it's going to

1259
01:04:14,960 --> 01:04:18,400
Speaker 2: force the issue, and we may get twenty five years

1260
01:04:18,400 --> 01:04:21,520
Speaker 2: into this thing and find that college football is drastically different.

1261
01:04:22,200 --> 01:04:22,400
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1262
01:04:22,720 --> 01:04:25,760
Speaker 2: I don't necessarily think the output of that will be bad.

1263
01:04:26,360 --> 01:04:29,240
Speaker 2: I think it's just going to force an inevitability upon

1264
01:04:29,320 --> 01:04:31,320
Speaker 2: us that we've all known for a good long time

1265
01:04:31,920 --> 01:04:34,200
Speaker 2: and just haven't seen become official.

1266
01:04:34,960 --> 01:04:38,040
Speaker 1: Look, every sport is insane. Every sport. If you like,

1267
01:04:38,160 --> 01:04:41,160
Speaker 1: drill down deep enough, you're like, so, what what are

1268
01:04:41,240 --> 01:04:45,560
Speaker 1: bird rights? Right? Why can't this MVP third baseman make

1269
01:04:45,600 --> 01:04:48,280
Speaker 1: more than eight hundred thousand dollars? What's going on? Exactly?

1270
01:04:48,640 --> 01:04:51,880
Speaker 1: And then every sport's insane in its own way. But

1271
01:04:52,040 --> 01:04:57,560
Speaker 1: because we talk about this sport and we have to say, yeah,

1272
01:04:57,600 --> 01:05:00,640
Speaker 1: just want a heisman? Awesome? Does he make a lot

1273
01:05:00,680 --> 01:05:01,080
Speaker 1: of money?

1274
01:05:01,480 --> 01:05:01,680
Speaker 3: Right?

1275
01:05:02,080 --> 01:05:04,240
Speaker 1: Actually makes an okay live Yeah, yeah, he makes a

1276
01:05:04,240 --> 01:05:06,240
Speaker 1: couple of mil It makes a million and a half. Like, man,

1277
01:05:06,280 --> 01:05:08,080
Speaker 1: that's that's a lot of schools on a hook for

1278
01:05:08,080 --> 01:05:11,800
Speaker 1: a couple of million dollars for uh actually no, no, no, no, no,

1279
01:05:11,680 --> 01:05:15,200
Speaker 1: no no. A dairy free ice cream magnet is the

1280
01:05:15,200 --> 01:05:18,280
Speaker 1: one footing the bill. Actually, this guy who has a

1281
01:05:18,360 --> 01:05:22,200
Speaker 1: chain of rest stops is paying the linebacker who just

1282
01:05:22,240 --> 01:05:23,680
Speaker 1: won the practice US.

1283
01:05:23,760 --> 01:05:26,640
Speaker 2: He's getting one hundred million dollars a year. Surely they're

1284
01:05:26,680 --> 01:05:29,880
Speaker 2: sharing some of that money with the right Maybe not.

1285
01:05:30,880 --> 01:05:38,640
Speaker 1: Well, no, they do via Kobe Beef Burgers. Yeah, I'm

1286
01:05:38,640 --> 01:05:41,080
Speaker 1: sure you've seen all the memes of like the the

1287
01:05:41,240 --> 01:05:43,600
Speaker 1: companies who were like, we made record profits. How are

1288
01:05:43,640 --> 01:05:46,680
Speaker 1: we sharing it? Like pizza parties, Like what about money?

1289
01:05:47,080 --> 01:05:48,840
Speaker 1: What about currency? Yeah?

1290
01:05:48,920 --> 01:05:52,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's fascinating and it will be a longer term study.

1291
01:05:53,080 --> 01:05:56,200
Speaker 2: I love the question. I hate the question. And in

1292
01:05:56,240 --> 01:05:59,439
Speaker 2: college football, we've got two wild card questions here, Dan,

1293
01:05:59,560 --> 01:06:01,240
Speaker 2: let me ask mind. First, give me that I need

1294
01:06:01,240 --> 01:06:08,040
Speaker 2: the sound though to really of course, internal affairs, internal affairs.

1295
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Speaker 1: And actually the phrase internal affairs makes no sense with

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Speaker 1: what we're.

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Speaker 2: Actually doing, nothing of it.

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Speaker 1: It means that we'd be investigating each other for improprieties

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Speaker 1: behind the scenes.

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Speaker 2: But continue, Wow, yeah, okay, it doesn't matter.

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Speaker 1: That's fine.

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Speaker 2: Wildcard This one kind of is in the vein of

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01:06:22,800 --> 01:06:25,440
Speaker 2: the choose your own adventure shows that we've done in

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Speaker 2: the past, Okay, which I still think we need to do.

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Speaker 2: Probably this month, because it's May. Nothing happens in May. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: outside of Peyton Thorning, Keon Coleman. But here is your

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Speaker 2: wildcard question, Dan, I wrote this, Sie scripted this out.

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Speaker 2: I never do this in a stunning career move. You

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01:06:43,240 --> 01:06:47,120
Speaker 2: have been elected Chief Uniform Officer of college football.

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Speaker 3: It's a new call.

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Speaker 2: You're the CuO, little clunk, but very important. Your first

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01:06:53,640 --> 01:06:56,760
Speaker 2: order of business is you're conducting a full audit of

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Speaker 2: every Power five team's uniforms. I wrote down it's on

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Speaker 2: my script for the soccer.

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Speaker 3: Folks, for the folks abroad.

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Speaker 2: Of course, in your review, you've come to a startling

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Speaker 2: conclusion there are three teams one, two, three that are

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Speaker 2: brandishing the wrong colors. In your expert opinion, which schools

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01:07:19,280 --> 01:07:23,600
Speaker 2: change their colors to something else to better convey the

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Speaker 2: spirit of the institution, the vibe of the team, and

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Speaker 2: the traditions of the program. Yeah, which teams are wearing

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01:07:31,600 --> 01:07:32,400
Speaker 2: the wrong colors?

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Speaker 3: Man?

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Speaker 1: Okay, so I don't. This is a personal belief, and

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Speaker 1: maybe it's because of my own baggage. I went to

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Speaker 1: a high school that has since changed its colors because

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01:07:40,840 --> 01:07:44,000
Speaker 1: I think the uniforms were too expensive with a certain shade.

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Speaker 1: This is totally true? Is that a real story? Totally true.

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Speaker 1: I don't think any colleges. I don't think anybody ever

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Speaker 1: should be wearing the color brown. Okay, I think it

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01:07:53,400 --> 01:07:56,440
Speaker 1: looks bad on everybody. I think it's not it's impossible

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Speaker 1: to match. Yes, the Calabas's coyotes went from brown and

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Speaker 1: gold to black and goal.

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Speaker 2: You're anti Wyoming, is what you're telling me.

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Speaker 1: Right, So Wyoming bowling green has like a weird brown.

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Speaker 1: I assume brown has its own shade of brown. I

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Speaker 1: think any school that is trying to attempt brown Western Michigan,

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Speaker 1: I believe Tye you can deny, so I think I

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01:08:20,600 --> 01:08:24,439
Speaker 1: would start there. I would also say, especially schools that

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Speaker 1: have rivals who wear different colors, you're just gonna I'm

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01:08:28,200 --> 01:08:32,120
Speaker 1: just gonna saying rivals who wear similarly shaded colors that

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01:08:32,200 --> 01:08:35,840
Speaker 1: somebody has to make a change because watching UCLA usc

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01:08:36,000 --> 01:08:39,400
Speaker 1: is too beautiful. Having the cardinal and gold and the

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01:08:39,520 --> 01:08:41,719
Speaker 1: baby blue and gold or whatever the shade of UCLA

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01:08:41,760 --> 01:08:44,400
Speaker 1: is especially when they're both wearing their home kits tie

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01:08:44,560 --> 01:08:48,040
Speaker 1: at the same time beautiful. So the rivals who have

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01:08:48,920 --> 01:08:52,680
Speaker 1: uniform combinations are color combinations that are too close to

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Speaker 1: each other. So like, on a certain level, I'm thinking

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01:08:55,400 --> 01:08:58,920
Speaker 1: about Pitt in West Virginia both wearing shades of blue, yellow, gold,

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01:08:59,160 --> 01:09:02,040
Speaker 1: Like I mean, who has a cooler uniform that could be?

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01:09:02,200 --> 01:09:06,000
Speaker 2: That could be interesting stakes for the backyard brawl. I

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01:09:06,000 --> 01:09:08,520
Speaker 2: think it's definitely a change or uniform if you lose.

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01:09:08,680 --> 01:09:11,000
Speaker 1: Yes, And I think West Virginia has had some incredible

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01:09:11,080 --> 01:09:13,519
Speaker 1: uniforms over the years. But I give the nod to

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01:09:13,520 --> 01:09:17,360
Speaker 1: Pit there that Pit's current iteration, those shades of blue

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01:09:17,400 --> 01:09:19,880
Speaker 1: and gold, that script PIT. As much as they like

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01:09:19,880 --> 01:09:22,360
Speaker 1: the West Virginia uniforms West Virginia logo, I think West

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01:09:22,439 --> 01:09:24,040
Speaker 1: Virginia needs to make a change. I don't have a

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Speaker 1: color suggestion because Cal and UCLA not rivals, but they're

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01:09:28,280 --> 01:09:30,919
Speaker 1: both in the UC system, and I think the UCLA

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01:09:31,000 --> 01:09:33,559
Speaker 1: look is more iconic. I think Cal, especially with how

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01:09:33,600 --> 01:09:36,960
Speaker 1: down they've been, I think they should rebrand color wise now.

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Speaker 1: I like that they're blue and yellow, blue and gold

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01:09:39,600 --> 01:09:42,120
Speaker 1: is different from Stanford's cardinal and white. I like that,

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01:09:42,680 --> 01:09:45,240
Speaker 1: but I still think because they're in the same conference,

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01:09:45,520 --> 01:09:47,519
Speaker 1: the rest of the PAC twelve, I'm great with. I

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01:09:47,600 --> 01:09:49,960
Speaker 1: love even though it can be it can look a

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01:09:50,000 --> 01:09:53,120
Speaker 1: little bit old fashioned and tired. I love Arizona State's maroon.

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01:09:53,479 --> 01:09:55,760
Speaker 1: I just I don't know they've had success. I like

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01:09:55,880 --> 01:09:58,559
Speaker 1: the look. I think it pops. I'm great with it.

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01:09:59,080 --> 01:10:04,400
Speaker 1: Otherwise I think I'm pretty good. I'm pretty good as

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Speaker 1: long as are there any other rivalries that come to

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01:10:06,560 --> 01:10:08,479
Speaker 1: mind where the colors are too close that you have

1374
01:10:08,520 --> 01:10:10,360
Speaker 1: to make a judgment call on who gets to keep

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Speaker 1: that combo?

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01:10:11,080 --> 01:10:14,439
Speaker 2: I'm the wrong person ask because I know I'm colorblind. Yeah,

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01:10:14,600 --> 01:10:16,920
Speaker 2: you're my color wheel, Really, I mean, you tell me

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01:10:16,960 --> 01:10:17,880
Speaker 2: what colors things are.

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Speaker 1: For a long time, I thought Baylor had pretty terrible uniforms,

1380
01:10:20,400 --> 01:10:22,240
Speaker 1: but they've gotten better over these past few years. And

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01:10:22,320 --> 01:10:25,040
Speaker 1: I'm a green and yellow obviously green and gold with

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01:10:25,120 --> 01:10:31,760
Speaker 1: Baylor believer, But otherwise, no, I don't think I have

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01:10:32,000 --> 01:10:34,840
Speaker 1: specific teams where I'm like, they need to do a

1384
01:10:34,840 --> 01:10:39,160
Speaker 1: lot better. Maybe Indiana, because they're so much better red

1385
01:10:39,439 --> 01:10:42,960
Speaker 1: within the Big Ten with Wisconsin and Ohio State, They're like,

1386
01:10:43,000 --> 01:10:45,000
Speaker 1: maybe this is time for Indiana. But because they have

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01:10:45,040 --> 01:10:47,880
Speaker 1: the iconic basketball look with red, I guess they can

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01:10:47,960 --> 01:10:53,439
Speaker 1: keep it. So good for you guys, who's yours? Otherwise, No,

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01:10:54,280 --> 01:10:57,439
Speaker 1: part of the reason I love college is there are

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01:10:57,520 --> 01:11:00,840
Speaker 1: so many teams and there's so many white old uniforms

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01:11:00,880 --> 01:11:05,120
Speaker 1: and uniform traditions that it's the the the what's it called,

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01:11:05,160 --> 01:11:08,599
Speaker 1: what's what's the quilt called? That's the enormous quilts? What

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01:11:08,640 --> 01:11:11,160
Speaker 1: am I looking for? Ty, I help me out here?

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01:11:11,200 --> 01:11:11,960
Speaker 2: I don't know your tone.

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01:11:13,120 --> 01:11:15,439
Speaker 1: That that's what I love. That's what I love. That

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01:11:15,520 --> 01:11:19,519
Speaker 1: everybody's so different color wise within the sport. So no,

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01:11:19,800 --> 01:11:21,880
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think. Kansas State to me is kind

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01:11:21,920 --> 01:11:25,360
Speaker 1: of a weird case state. Yeah, I don't mind the

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01:11:25,439 --> 01:11:27,439
Speaker 1: unif I don't mind the uniform. I just when I

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01:11:27,479 --> 01:11:29,960
Speaker 1: think of Kansas State, purple and silver is not what

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01:11:30,000 --> 01:11:34,240
Speaker 1: I not where my mind goes first. Well, they're not

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01:11:34,360 --> 01:11:36,840
Speaker 1: terribly close to I mean, I guess purple and blue

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01:11:36,960 --> 01:11:40,000
Speaker 1: somewhat with Kansas is somewhat close. So be nice to

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01:11:40,000 --> 01:11:42,479
Speaker 1: have that a differentiating factor there. We just don't have

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01:11:42,600 --> 01:11:44,960
Speaker 1: enough purple schools. I like purple as a color with uniform.

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01:11:45,000 --> 01:11:49,720
Speaker 1: We've got you dub in Washington. But TCU, Yeah, TCU, Yeah,

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01:11:49,760 --> 01:11:53,439
Speaker 1: that's true. Maybe TCU has well, no, Kansas State has

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01:11:53,479 --> 01:11:56,479
Speaker 1: the UH has the time in the conference that that

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01:11:56,479 --> 01:12:01,440
Speaker 1: should trump tc u's allegiance to purple, but no otherwise.

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01:12:01,680 --> 01:12:04,240
Speaker 1: It to me, it's just that rivalry thing. It's just

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01:12:04,400 --> 01:12:07,439
Speaker 1: that like, look, Florida's got you know, blue and orange

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01:12:07,439 --> 01:12:09,800
Speaker 1: and George has got red and black. Like I like

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01:12:09,880 --> 01:12:13,120
Speaker 1: that differentiating factor. So no, I wouldn't I wouldn't change

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01:12:13,120 --> 01:12:16,040
Speaker 1: too many schools. All right, we've got one final question.

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01:12:16,080 --> 01:12:16,960
Speaker 1: Give me the sound.

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01:12:17,160 --> 01:12:19,120
Speaker 2: Let's make this one because this is my your wild

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01:12:19,160 --> 01:12:25,480
Speaker 2: card to me, and this isn't internal. This isn't so much.

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01:12:25,720 --> 01:12:28,560
Speaker 1: A football one, not at all, zero football. This is

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01:12:28,600 --> 01:12:30,400
Speaker 1: just a wild card question to end the show. Ty,

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01:12:30,880 --> 01:12:32,640
Speaker 1: I think about this question a lot. I don't know

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01:12:32,640 --> 01:12:37,160
Speaker 1: if you do. You're granted a wish from a convenience

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01:12:37,240 --> 01:12:41,240
Speaker 1: genie and that and we're done talking college football. So

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01:12:41,240 --> 01:12:42,799
Speaker 1: if you only came to the show for college football,

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01:12:43,120 --> 01:12:46,880
Speaker 1: thank you for listening, subscribe and write whatever h the

1425
01:12:46,920 --> 01:12:50,080
Speaker 1: genie lets you choose from either of these two conveniences

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01:12:50,080 --> 01:12:53,240
Speaker 1: for your life. Okay, it happens in the middle of

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01:12:53,280 --> 01:12:55,240
Speaker 1: the night, so you don't have to deal with it

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01:12:55,280 --> 01:12:58,479
Speaker 1: at all. It's happening while you're sleeping. Pixies show up

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01:12:58,520 --> 01:13:00,640
Speaker 1: to help you with one of these two can veniences.

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01:13:01,160 --> 01:13:03,360
Speaker 1: They're just floating through the air taking care of things.

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01:13:03,479 --> 01:13:10,360
Speaker 1: One A. These pixies fully clean and organize your house,

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01:13:10,479 --> 01:13:15,599
Speaker 1: your yard to your exact specifications, right that, Like they're

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01:13:15,640 --> 01:13:18,200
Speaker 1: thrown out the food you want thrown out. They're vacuuming this,

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01:13:18,360 --> 01:13:22,759
Speaker 1: they're dusting that, they're you know, stacking this. They're cleaning

1435
01:13:22,800 --> 01:13:27,040
Speaker 1: these gutters this way, they're mowing your lawn that way. Really,

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01:13:27,120 --> 01:13:29,879
Speaker 1: just every morning you wake up, it's the best possible

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01:13:29,960 --> 01:13:34,240
Speaker 1: version of your house, apartment, condo, you know, off the grid, shack,

1438
01:13:34,800 --> 01:13:39,320
Speaker 1: whatever you call home. You get that service or b

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01:13:41,000 --> 01:13:45,719
Speaker 1: it's the administrative version of that. So it's they're taking

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01:13:45,760 --> 01:13:48,400
Speaker 1: care of all of your boring emails, they're taking care

1441
01:13:48,479 --> 01:13:50,920
Speaker 1: of paying all of your bills. They're taking care of

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01:13:52,560 --> 01:13:56,320
Speaker 1: your mom. Her wallpaper on her iPhone keeps changing and

1443
01:13:56,360 --> 01:13:57,920
Speaker 1: you need to like, all right, I'll come over.

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01:13:58,120 --> 01:14:00,720
Speaker 2: I just had an issue with this, an issue with that.

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01:14:00,840 --> 01:14:04,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, all of the boring stuff that has nothing to

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01:14:04,240 --> 01:14:07,479
Speaker 1: do with how you live, but how you interact with

1447
01:14:07,520 --> 01:14:09,479
Speaker 1: the outside world. All of like you just got to

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01:14:09,520 --> 01:14:12,080
Speaker 1: update your car registration, you gotta go grocery shop, you

1449
01:14:12,160 --> 01:14:14,840
Speaker 1: got to pick up dry cleaning, all of the like

1450
01:14:15,640 --> 01:14:18,120
Speaker 1: daily stuff that like you'd rather not do, but you

1451
01:14:18,200 --> 01:14:22,320
Speaker 1: know you have to do. Which side of that do

1452
01:14:22,360 --> 01:14:24,360
Speaker 1: you want the pixies taken care of? Taking care of

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01:14:24,400 --> 01:14:24,960
Speaker 1: one of tonight?

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01:14:25,160 --> 01:14:28,880
Speaker 2: I take a in a heartbeat, A okay, yeah, well,

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01:14:29,000 --> 01:14:32,320
Speaker 2: cleaning and organizing the house. Yeah, yeah, And it's not

1456
01:14:32,360 --> 01:14:35,880
Speaker 2: even it's not even really a question. Really, yeah, it's

1457
01:14:35,880 --> 01:14:39,120
Speaker 2: not even really a question. I don't mind the administrative stuff.

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01:14:39,360 --> 01:14:40,559
Speaker 1: Oh, I hate it so much.

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01:14:40,600 --> 01:14:43,360
Speaker 2: I don't like it, but I don't mind it as

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01:14:43,439 --> 01:14:46,080
Speaker 2: much because the thing, the thing about the house, and

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01:14:46,160 --> 01:14:48,920
Speaker 2: I mean you probably know this better, having two little ones,

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01:14:49,360 --> 01:14:51,599
Speaker 2: two little monsters running around the house. I'm sure it's

1463
01:14:51,680 --> 01:14:53,479
Speaker 2: more difficult for you than it is for me. But

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01:14:55,840 --> 01:14:59,280
Speaker 2: the amount of stress that that adds to my life

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01:15:00,080 --> 01:15:03,559
Speaker 2: is definitely greater than the bill that I can just

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01:15:03,600 --> 01:15:08,519
Speaker 2: set up for auto pay on my credit card, or

1467
01:15:09,479 --> 01:15:15,080
Speaker 2: the weird emails or the car renewal type thing.

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01:15:15,520 --> 01:15:16,679
Speaker 1: I hate all that stuff.

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01:15:16,760 --> 01:15:19,759
Speaker 2: I don't like it, no, I know, but I think

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01:15:19,920 --> 01:15:23,120
Speaker 2: just every night, going to bed, knowing that I can

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01:15:23,160 --> 01:15:26,000
Speaker 2: wake up and all of the house chores are done,

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01:15:27,400 --> 01:15:29,640
Speaker 2: I would probably pick that fairy.

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01:15:29,800 --> 01:15:34,000
Speaker 1: See. The problem with me is I feel more compelled

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01:15:34,040 --> 01:15:37,040
Speaker 1: to do the house stuff because I see it. I

1475
01:15:37,080 --> 01:15:38,880
Speaker 1: can just throw on air pods and do the dishes.

1476
01:15:38,920 --> 01:15:40,760
Speaker 1: I can throw on the air pods and vacuum up.

1477
01:15:40,800 --> 01:15:42,880
Speaker 1: I can throw in the air pods and pick up

1478
01:15:42,920 --> 01:15:46,479
Speaker 1: my kids toys. And it's just a thing. And it

1479
01:15:46,520 --> 01:15:48,200
Speaker 1: never takes as long as you think it's gonna take.

1480
01:15:48,240 --> 01:15:50,120
Speaker 1: Now you start getting into yard stuff and cleaning out

1481
01:15:50,160 --> 01:15:52,880
Speaker 1: gutters and breaking leaves and all, it takes time. It

1482
01:15:52,920 --> 01:15:55,720
Speaker 1: does take time, I grant you that. But because I

1483
01:15:55,880 --> 01:15:58,719
Speaker 1: don't see, oh we gotta pay this, Oh we gotta

1484
01:15:58,800 --> 01:16:02,200
Speaker 1: pick this up, Oh we got that is so much

1485
01:16:02,240 --> 01:16:04,639
Speaker 1: easier for me to procrastinate and put off and gets

1486
01:16:04,680 --> 01:16:07,840
Speaker 1: me in so much more trouble in life that it'd

1487
01:16:07,880 --> 01:16:10,679
Speaker 1: be so much nicer to just write out a list

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01:16:10,800 --> 01:16:13,080
Speaker 1: for those pixies to do in the middle of the

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01:16:13,160 --> 01:16:14,920
Speaker 1: night and like, take care of all this. I don't

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01:16:14,920 --> 01:16:16,920
Speaker 1: want to think about it. That to me is more

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01:16:16,960 --> 01:16:20,439
Speaker 1: attractive that to me is And that's just my specific

1492
01:16:20,479 --> 01:16:22,840
Speaker 1: procrastinating personality. And I'm just like, I don't want to

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01:16:22,840 --> 01:16:25,560
Speaker 1: deal with any of this stuff. You do it, whereas

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01:16:25,880 --> 01:16:27,880
Speaker 1: how stuff I don't. I don't know, I don't mind

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01:16:27,960 --> 01:16:31,400
Speaker 1: as much. And so to me, if we lived in

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01:16:31,439 --> 01:16:33,680
Speaker 1: an air pod free society. Not a sponsor could be

1497
01:16:33,720 --> 01:16:38,760
Speaker 1: shout out Apple, it'd be different. But I don't know.

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01:16:38,800 --> 01:16:40,759
Speaker 1: I can zone out while doing a lot of that stuff,

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01:16:41,200 --> 01:16:42,879
Speaker 1: all right, It keeps me on my feet.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, let us know on social media, Let us know

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01:16:47,479 --> 01:16:50,680
Speaker 2: on email solverbalogmail dot com. What your thoughts are on

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01:16:50,720 --> 01:16:53,360
Speaker 2: this question, on any of the eight questions I post here.

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01:16:53,680 --> 01:16:56,200
Speaker 1: The word I was looking for was tapestry. It was

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Speaker 1: given to us in the comments Patreon subscriber tapestry.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you can watch these episodes live if you are

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Speaker 2: a premium for Baller. Just go out to Verballers dot

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Speaker 2: com for more info on what our perks are. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: that does it for today's show. We'll be back on

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Speaker 2: Thursday with a public Q and.

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Speaker 1: A listener Q and a yeah I already given to

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Speaker 1: people who subscribe.

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Speaker 2: On Patreon Forballers dot com, VRBA, L E r S

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Speaker 2: dot com.

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Speaker 1: We'll love that for that govern there, my good friend Dan.

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Speaker 2: Play that sound one more time, please, just when we're

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Speaker 2: I love that sound.

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Speaker 3: Internal affair.

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Speaker 2: We need to add that one to the board permanently.

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Speaker 2: That's permanent, permanent.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe I'll shorten it to just internal affairs for.

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Speaker 2: That guy there, Dan Rubenstein, from myself, Tye, Hilton and

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Speaker 2: Brand thank you so much for dowlanded listening, playing along

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Speaker 2: at home, and supporting the show. We'll talk to you

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Speaker 2: all on a few days.

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Speaker 1: Stay sound please,