WEBVTT - Devastating Story w/ Ally Ioannides 0:00:00.520 --> 0:00:04.359 Of the Law and Order franchises. SVU is considered especially watchable. 0:00:04.559 --> 0:00:07.160 We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the 0:00:07.200 --> 0:00:08.039 vicious felonies. 0:00:08.039 --> 0:00:09.400 These episodes are based. 0:00:09.119 --> 0:00:27.520 On these are our stories done done. 0:00:28.120 --> 0:00:31.200 Yay, that's messed up. An sv podcast. 0:00:31.280 --> 0:00:36.120 I'm Liza Traeger and I'm Kara Klink and it's sv recaps, 0:00:36.360 --> 0:00:42.360 true crime, deep dives, interviews, chats, the whole thing, and. 0:00:42.560 --> 0:00:45.879 We're the time machine. And yesterday the NIXT won the 0:00:45.920 --> 0:00:49.839 first game, so oh that's where we're damn yeah. And 0:00:49.920 --> 0:00:52.280 it was I had spots and stuff and I was 0:00:52.320 --> 0:00:54.520 running around, so I only caught bits and pieces, but 0:00:54.600 --> 0:00:57.240 I got to watch like the last like ten minutes 0:00:57.280 --> 0:00:59.160 of the fourth quarter, and there's nothing better than fourth 0:00:59.200 --> 0:01:02.280 quarter basketball, like anything can happen. And it was such 0:01:02.280 --> 0:01:04.160 a close game and it was electric. And then I 0:01:04.200 --> 0:01:06.920 think it was the spurs and experience in young age 0:01:07.600 --> 0:01:09.920 that led to them falling apart by the end. 0:01:09.959 --> 0:01:15.679 They couldn't keep it together. But that's just my you know, is. 0:01:15.600 --> 0:01:19.240 This like they play and each other, they do home 0:01:19.280 --> 0:01:20.760 and away, right, yeah. 0:01:20.760 --> 0:01:23.000 Then will be spurs and then so this is what 0:01:23.040 --> 0:01:24.720 I keep thinking about because Mauricia we'll see. 0:01:24.800 --> 0:01:25.720 Well by this you'll know. 0:01:26.240 --> 0:01:29.720 But like Marishka, you know, she's big Nicks and Jalen 0:01:29.800 --> 0:01:33.679 Brunson hugs her every game she's there, and Ben Stiller 0:01:33.680 --> 0:01:35.960 and all the other fans are very jealous. But she's 0:01:36.000 --> 0:01:39.840 on Broadway. What's gonna happen? But the next game is Monday, 0:01:40.040 --> 0:01:42.880 so that means she's off of Broadway. So I do 0:01:43.040 --> 0:01:45.360 wonder if Marishka on her night off is going to 0:01:45.440 --> 0:01:45.720 go to the. 0:01:45.760 --> 0:01:46.399 Next game or not. 0:01:46.680 --> 0:01:49.560 I think for I know, I know, I know, but well, 0:01:49.560 --> 0:01:54.000 I don't know. She can't scream, That's what I mean. Well, 0:01:54.000 --> 0:01:55.760 she's not singing, but yeah, like that's what I mean. 0:01:55.800 --> 0:01:59.040 Like it's like such a tough schedule, but she's when 0:01:59.080 --> 0:02:02.400 I you see, I bet he was actually equal to Broadway. 0:02:03.200 --> 0:02:07.720 When I went to see Kumail and Jinks on Oh Mary, 0:02:07.800 --> 0:02:10.359 they were both wearing buttons that said I'm on vocal 0:02:10.440 --> 0:02:14.240 rest because just I think even doing that much if 0:02:14.240 --> 0:02:15.440 I don't know, I don't know the play, I don't 0:02:15.440 --> 0:02:18.800 know if she yells at all, or I think Jinks. 0:02:18.120 --> 0:02:21.000 Didn't want to talk to everyone in the line waiting 0:02:21.000 --> 0:02:23.760 to see her. I think that's the button. I think 0:02:23.760 --> 0:02:25.639 that's why. Well, I think that's why she was wearing 0:02:25.680 --> 0:02:26.000 the button. 0:02:26.639 --> 0:02:29.040 Kumail was truly losing his voice and was like, Jinx 0:02:29.200 --> 0:02:30.480 is the one that told me about the button. 0:02:30.840 --> 0:02:33.639 Yeah, because when I got you know, I saw Jinks 0:02:33.639 --> 0:02:36.560 and the Pirates of Peasants and she had the button. 0:02:37.720 --> 0:02:40.959 Yeah. I mean, but the amount of people meet Jinx 0:02:41.000 --> 0:02:41.400 was insane. 0:02:41.400 --> 0:02:43.080 I would say, like at least fifty people waited at 0:02:43.120 --> 0:02:45.440 stage door and we hung out in her green room 0:02:45.480 --> 0:02:48.200 for like a good twenty minutes before she even went 0:02:48.240 --> 0:02:49.720 to I mean, people would wait that long. But I'm 0:02:49.760 --> 0:02:52.640 just saying tons of people were there. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:02:52.680 --> 0:02:54.800 ready for her. She's the best. 0:02:55.040 --> 0:02:58.400 I'm getting the reviews from some of our listeners about 0:02:58.440 --> 0:03:02.760 every brilliant thing. Okay, most of them are saying that 0:03:02.840 --> 0:03:05.000 she's great and it's great. I mean one person was 0:03:05.080 --> 0:03:09.880 like I loved seeing her, but like they didn't. 0:03:09.960 --> 0:03:11.519 I know, I think a lot. I don't know. I 0:03:11.520 --> 0:03:13.280 think some people have a hard time seeing her outside 0:03:13.320 --> 0:03:15.120 of like Benson, I am gonna go. 0:03:15.200 --> 0:03:17.440 You know, I jumped the gun and bought the Mateo 0:03:17.600 --> 0:03:23.079 Chicago tickets, but I got a schedule of Benson. 0:03:23.520 --> 0:03:24.760 Are you going to see Matteo like. 0:03:24.800 --> 0:03:26.880 Opening night, you're like a little bit in oh, well, 0:03:26.919 --> 0:03:29.280 opening night, but I'll go again because like people started 0:03:29.320 --> 0:03:31.320 texting me immediately being like we gotta go, we gotta go, 0:03:31.360 --> 0:03:34.280 and it's like, honey, I bought tickets before it was announced, obviously, 0:03:35.000 --> 0:03:37.480 but I will probably go a few times. And I 0:03:37.560 --> 0:03:40.840 learned that because I saw Bette Midler previews for Hello Dolly, 0:03:40.880 --> 0:03:42.360 and then I went towards the end and it was 0:03:42.400 --> 0:03:46.920 like fully different performances, really one hundred percent. Yeah, so 0:03:47.480 --> 0:03:50.160 I I would, you know, it's a four week run, 0:03:50.200 --> 0:03:51.800 so I would definitely go at least twice. 0:03:51.840 --> 0:03:56.400 But I gotta get my Maurshia in for sure. Yeah. Yeah. 0:03:56.440 --> 0:03:59.560 But the city was like electric. Everyone had cool outfits 0:03:59.600 --> 0:04:02.600 everyone's and knick scares. Even places like Union Hall had 0:04:02.640 --> 0:04:06.160 the projector down like places that don't aren't sports places. 0:04:06.200 --> 0:04:08.960 My coffee shop I saw this morning the TV was 0:04:09.000 --> 0:04:10.760 covered and I go, did you guys watch the next 0:04:10.800 --> 0:04:12.760 last night? And like every yeah, it's like every you know, 0:04:12.840 --> 0:04:14.600 and everyone at the counter started chatting. 0:04:14.680 --> 0:04:17.359 It's just such a fun moment to be a part of. 0:04:17.360 --> 0:04:20.120 That because yeah, they because they don't get in that often, 0:04:20.200 --> 0:04:22.039 like when it's the Yankees. I feel like people care, 0:04:22.080 --> 0:04:23.960 but it's like it happens all the time, right, Like 0:04:24.040 --> 0:04:24.480 the Knicks. 0:04:24.560 --> 0:04:26.720 Well, Casey, we're talking about this. I saw ven before 0:04:26.720 --> 0:04:27.320 you hopped on. 0:04:27.400 --> 0:04:32.719 I saw vendiagram online and it was like, you know, Giants, Jets, 0:04:32.800 --> 0:04:34.840 Yankees sets, all of those teams of the hockey teams, 0:04:34.920 --> 0:04:38.159 all of them come together for the Knicks. So it's 0:04:38.240 --> 0:04:41.760 like you get all the fandom's hardcore psychotic energy for 0:04:41.920 --> 0:04:45.279 this team that are usually splintered off between the others. 0:04:46.200 --> 0:04:46.440 Yeah. 0:04:46.480 --> 0:04:49.800 And I would say Marishka is the most MVP star 0:04:50.120 --> 0:04:53.560 fan there that they like that that they pay attend. 0:04:53.680 --> 0:04:56.600 I see the Marishka Jalen coverage a lot. Well it 0:04:56.640 --> 0:04:59.800 might be your algorithm as well, but it's it's bent. 0:05:00.400 --> 0:05:02.400 But this happens to you all the time. I'm like, wow, 0:05:02.480 --> 0:05:04.960 everyone's talking about it. I'm like I follow this. 0:05:05.240 --> 0:05:05.719 No one is. 0:05:07.400 --> 0:05:07.479 No. 0:05:07.560 --> 0:05:09.880 I would say like Spike Lee is probably the most 0:05:10.400 --> 0:05:14.719 like long time right, like he's she's like forty to 0:05:14.839 --> 0:05:18.080 be a big one. Now he's la Oh, he's la. 0:05:18.400 --> 0:05:21.760 He's the like stories the part of me I just 0:05:21.800 --> 0:05:25.479 think of basketball people. But yeah, still but still her 0:05:25.560 --> 0:05:28.360 at an interview where like they're all jealous of Marishka 0:05:28.440 --> 0:05:33.760 because they they want to hug, like the players love Marishka. Yeah, 0:05:33.800 --> 0:05:37.520 so she gets there, she has a night off. 0:05:38.160 --> 0:05:39.200 I think she's got to be there. 0:05:39.360 --> 0:05:41.880 Yeah, it's because I do think she has eighty grand 0:05:41.920 --> 0:05:43.839 I think they love Tracy Moore, but she's the only 0:05:43.880 --> 0:05:45.040 one that gets the hugs. 0:05:45.480 --> 0:05:47.120 Yeah. But there's an old. 0:05:46.960 --> 0:05:50.640 Interview where, like with Shack, they were like, have you 0:05:50.680 --> 0:05:53.280 ever been like starting he said halle Berry. He was 0:05:53.279 --> 0:05:55.360 trying to impress halle Berry, like he was like, give 0:05:55.400 --> 0:05:57.480 me the ball, you know, like they're trying. 0:05:57.240 --> 0:06:02.120 To pick people up. They're fucking athletes. 0:06:02.360 --> 0:06:06.599 But I had I did something I've never done before 0:06:06.680 --> 0:06:09.640 yesterday on stage. So I'm at New York Comedy Cup 0:06:09.680 --> 0:06:11.520 and I've done I've been doing this since two thousand 0:06:11.520 --> 0:06:15.760 and nine, like whatever. But about halfway through my set, 0:06:15.839 --> 0:06:18.000 I went, you know what, guys, this isn't worth my 0:06:18.080 --> 0:06:20.000 time and I don't want to make any of you laugh. 0:06:20.279 --> 0:06:22.440 I'm leaving. And I was like, can you grab the host. 0:06:22.520 --> 0:06:24.400 I'm not finishing my time. I don't have to get paid. 0:06:24.400 --> 0:06:25.680 I'm like, I don't like any of. 0:06:25.560 --> 0:06:28.960 You, bye, And so I just left. 0:06:29.360 --> 0:06:32.720 I left and then the host all the young comedians 0:06:32.720 --> 0:06:35.680 were stressed, but it was one big group. And then 0:06:35.680 --> 0:06:37.240 they left on the way out there like I've never 0:06:37.279 --> 0:06:40.200 seen such weak comedia. Like they were like one guy 0:06:40.279 --> 0:06:42.159 touched me. I was like, get the fuck off me, 0:06:42.400 --> 0:06:43.280 Like I. 0:06:44.520 --> 0:06:46.400 This is this New York comedy club still the one 0:06:46.400 --> 0:06:49.200 that's like on twenty third and second, but it's on 0:06:49.320 --> 0:06:49.880 twenty fourth. 0:06:50.000 --> 0:06:54.080 Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, so what was up? What was up? 0:06:56.480 --> 0:06:58.479 They just said no respect, like, and I knew they 0:06:58.520 --> 0:07:00.360 weren't going to be good. I'm also like, I don't 0:07:00.400 --> 0:07:02.160 care if there's four people because then my next show 0:07:02.240 --> 0:07:05.880 is nine people. They think like I nothing, I've been 0:07:05.960 --> 0:07:07.880 threatening out to people numbers. 0:07:08.040 --> 0:07:10.400 Yeah, Like I can have fun. I could figure it out. 0:07:10.440 --> 0:07:13.679 But it's like they just they didn't like the bits, 0:07:13.760 --> 0:07:16.040 they didn't like the crowd or I couldn't get things going. 0:07:16.080 --> 0:07:18.160 And then they also were rude. So one girl goes, 0:07:18.320 --> 0:07:20.640 why don't you just start singing Pink Pony Club? That 0:07:20.760 --> 0:07:24.400 might help, Like that's psychotic to me. And then one 0:07:24.400 --> 0:07:27.160 person said they're from Phoenix, and someone's like, I'm from Phoenix, 0:07:27.160 --> 0:07:29.880 and then they started talking about Phoenix and then one 0:07:29.960 --> 0:07:32.120 young guy was like, is that a bitcoin tattoo and 0:07:32.160 --> 0:07:33.960 start talking about bitcoin in the day, and. 0:07:33.920 --> 0:07:36.360 I go, you know what, fuck all of you. 0:07:36.720 --> 0:07:39.080 I'm like more talented than any of this, and I 0:07:39.120 --> 0:07:39.760 don't need this. 0:07:40.400 --> 0:07:42.160 Yeah, I just like left, my God. 0:07:42.520 --> 0:07:44.720 So this big drunk group left that everyone hated, and 0:07:44.720 --> 0:07:47.920 then they kept whispering and talking, and then I told 0:07:47.920 --> 0:07:50.040 one woman, I'm like, you're a fucking horrible person, and 0:07:50.080 --> 0:07:52.480 someone's like, why would you say that. I'm like, well, 0:07:52.520 --> 0:07:54.840 there's clearly a woman bombing on stage, and you guys 0:07:54.880 --> 0:07:56.760 keep interrupting me and telling me to carry Okay, I 0:07:56.800 --> 0:07:59.560 don't know. Again, not the worst because when everyone's like 0:07:59.560 --> 0:08:01.600 what happened? What happened? I go, truly not nothing that 0:08:01.680 --> 0:08:04.679 much crazy, Like I just it wasn't worth my energy. 0:08:04.720 --> 0:08:05.960 I couldn't do it. I didn't want to do it. 0:08:06.040 --> 0:08:08.560 Yeah, So then everyone leaves, But then I felt bad, 0:08:08.560 --> 0:08:10.240 so I obviously overtipped the server, like I don't want 0:08:10.240 --> 0:08:12.680 to fuck everyone else over than the other comics, like 0:08:12.920 --> 0:08:15.240 people weren't there. But then that big group left and 0:08:15.280 --> 0:08:17.560 the vibes changed and the next person was having a 0:08:17.560 --> 0:08:19.120 great set. So then they're like, well, you just go 0:08:19.200 --> 0:08:21.800 back up. So I did go back up and I 0:08:21.800 --> 0:08:22.200 had fun. 0:08:22.320 --> 0:08:23.080 I had time. 0:08:23.560 --> 0:08:25.040 So then I had like a great time and it 0:08:25.080 --> 0:08:27.360 was fine that they were dry, like the vibes were better. 0:08:27.880 --> 0:08:29.520 And then I had another set at the other New 0:08:29.560 --> 0:08:32.440 York comedy club location on East fourth Street and had 0:08:32.480 --> 0:08:36.040 like the time of my life, and so then it 0:08:36.080 --> 0:08:37.880 was a great comedy night. But yeah, I just left 0:08:37.880 --> 0:08:39.160 and I apologize to the manager. I was like, you 0:08:39.160 --> 0:08:40.840 guys don't have to pay me, give it to the servers, 0:08:40.920 --> 0:08:42.320 like whatever. And then I'm like, never mind. 0:08:42.360 --> 0:08:45.400 I went back up now, I'll take my money now. 0:08:47.960 --> 0:08:51.000 But wow, I wasn't having it. And then when they 0:08:51.000 --> 0:08:53.560 were interrupting being crazy, I was like fine. And then 0:08:53.600 --> 0:08:57.720 the fourth Street location, the vibes were just so good 0:08:57.720 --> 0:08:58.880 and it was less than nine people. 0:08:58.920 --> 0:09:03.520 It was three this couple, this couple. Yeah, like eight people. Yeah, 0:09:03.559 --> 0:09:06.079 it doesn't matter. It's like it's totally yeah. Sometimes at 0:09:06.080 --> 0:09:09.080 my show the huge crowds are sucking the small crowds 0:09:09.080 --> 0:09:09.440 of the bus. 0:09:09.520 --> 0:09:12.160 But like, but there's always that, because this happened in 0:09:12.160 --> 0:09:15.040 Sacramento once, where this guy's energy in front was so menacing. 0:09:15.080 --> 0:09:17.000 He was kind of like the classic husband who didn't 0:09:17.000 --> 0:09:19.760 want to be there, but I did I don't want 0:09:19.760 --> 0:09:21.440 to perform for you, so I said, you need to leave. 0:09:21.480 --> 0:09:22.760 I'm like, you're in the front, like I don't need 0:09:22.760 --> 0:09:25.720 your energy ruining my vibes. And then everyone was like, 0:09:25.800 --> 0:09:26.360 what did you do? 0:09:26.400 --> 0:09:26.880 What did you do? 0:09:26.920 --> 0:09:29.400 I go, nothing, this is what I do for fun, 0:09:29.480 --> 0:09:31.440 so like you're going to ruin it, Like I don't 0:09:31.480 --> 0:09:35.640 need this. I truly don't need this. But the younger 0:09:35.920 --> 0:09:40.000 like it did cause a commotion. I would say, but 0:09:40.080 --> 0:09:41.679 I didn't regret it in my soul. I'm like, I 0:09:41.720 --> 0:09:43.120 don't regret it. I don't know what to tell you, 0:09:43.360 --> 0:09:46.880 but I have never done it. So kind of wild. 0:09:47.400 --> 0:09:51.240 There's still first in comedy after all these years. 0:09:51.440 --> 0:09:54.640 But then there's like a cutie couple. They seemed so young. 0:09:54.640 --> 0:09:56.600 I couldn't believe they were together for five years. But 0:09:56.640 --> 0:09:58.440 I think they were sauced because then one of the 0:09:58.480 --> 0:10:00.960 girls went, I put a finger in his butt and 0:10:01.000 --> 0:10:03.080 he likes it. And then I was like, okay, I 0:10:03.360 --> 0:10:05.920 reveal nabe and then he turned red. It was like 0:10:05.960 --> 0:10:06.440 really cute. 0:10:06.520 --> 0:10:12.560 It was fun gee Jesus, oh my god. 0:10:12.600 --> 0:10:14.160 And then at the second show I had three I 0:10:14.760 --> 0:10:19.240 did Kurt Broneler's show. You know, I saw him and Lauren, 0:10:19.720 --> 0:10:23.680 but one girl had all these orange sower patch kids left. 0:10:23.679 --> 0:10:25.200 I go, you don't like orange, She goes no, I go, 0:10:25.240 --> 0:10:25.719 I'll take them. 0:10:25.720 --> 0:10:29.160 So then I also got orange shower patch kids. 0:10:30.000 --> 0:10:30.440 Wow. 0:10:31.040 --> 0:10:37.640 What a night, What a night, What a night? Oh 0:10:37.640 --> 0:10:38.360 my gosh. Wait. 0:10:38.440 --> 0:10:40.840 So I know you're not like watching a ton of TV, 0:10:41.200 --> 0:10:45.920 but I have simultaneously been making my way through the 0:10:46.000 --> 0:10:47.040 last season of Hacks. 0:10:47.080 --> 0:10:48.920 But also I finished the Comeback. 0:10:49.360 --> 0:10:53.559 Oh nice, the comeback was really disappointed in the third season. 0:10:54.080 --> 0:10:57.160 I was really really bummed because I fucking love the 0:10:57.160 --> 0:11:00.400 first two seasons, but this the third season is just like, 0:11:01.000 --> 0:11:03.760 it's just not that funny. And they're also tackling AI, 0:11:03.920 --> 0:11:06.760 which I think is awesome, like because I'm what I'm 0:11:06.800 --> 0:11:10.559 gonna say, Like I was gonna say, they're Then Hacks 0:11:10.600 --> 0:11:13.160 did an episode about AI that I think they nailed, 0:11:13.920 --> 0:11:17.480 and so they did this whole season about AI with Valerie, 0:11:17.559 --> 0:11:19.440 and I was like, this is great, what a great idea. 0:11:20.080 --> 0:11:22.920 And then it's just like, wasn't funny at all And 0:11:22.960 --> 0:11:26.800 you're arguing in this episode. I mean, in this season, 0:11:26.920 --> 0:11:30.120 your argument is that TV has to be written by 0:11:30.160 --> 0:11:33.320 humans or it won't be good and then this season 0:11:33.320 --> 0:11:36.320 of TV is not good. That's like that sucks, Like, 0:11:36.440 --> 0:11:38.640 you know, I was talking about it with our friend 0:11:38.640 --> 0:11:40.560 Allison and she was like, yeah, like I feel like 0:11:40.600 --> 0:11:44.720 it's like their legacy is that if that's the final season, 0:11:44.800 --> 0:11:46.080 like they don't ever do another one. 0:11:46.160 --> 0:11:49.200 That's it just was they. 0:11:49.080 --> 0:11:51.680 Had They had John Early, I had like all these 0:11:51.720 --> 0:11:53.679 funny people, and they just like weren't putting them to work. 0:11:53.679 --> 0:11:54.400 It was crazy. 0:11:55.880 --> 0:12:00.439 But Hacks had a great fucking episode about it that 0:12:00.559 --> 0:12:05.680 was like more specific also to stand up and you know, 0:12:07.040 --> 0:12:08.679 like you do you watch Hacks, right, so. 0:12:08.600 --> 0:12:09.719 You're gonna do I have it? 0:12:10.080 --> 0:12:12.680 Yeah, I'm gonna definitely watch this last season. You know, 0:12:12.720 --> 0:12:16.280 I'm in an in between moment with my relationship with television. 0:12:17.040 --> 0:12:22.640 But I watched one clip of like Hannah's character going 0:12:22.679 --> 0:12:25.880 off about AI where it's like, you don't even give 0:12:25.960 --> 0:12:27.880 us a choice because you know we would say no. 0:12:27.960 --> 0:12:30.280 So stop saying it's inevitable when you're making money and 0:12:30.320 --> 0:12:32.480 forcing it and we can't even say no to it. 0:12:32.760 --> 0:12:34.800 That's what that was. I love that. 0:12:35.120 --> 0:12:37.400 Oh well, when I fought the men at the coffee shop, 0:12:37.400 --> 0:12:39.520 that's what I said to them. I'm like, but you're 0:12:39.760 --> 0:12:42.960 there's no choice, yeah, because they know we don't want it. 0:12:44.080 --> 0:12:45.839 She calls it forced inevitability. 0:12:46.000 --> 0:12:49.000 Yes, And I think that's exactly what, like the way 0:12:49.000 --> 0:12:52.760 that they're like, it's here, get on the train, fuck off, 0:12:52.920 --> 0:12:55.199 Like nobody wants to get on the goddamn train. I 0:12:55.240 --> 0:12:58.720 mean maybe a few people do, but like not everybody. 0:12:58.280 --> 0:13:02.560 And keep I mean, I call the men, but it's like, yes, losers, losers, 0:13:02.720 --> 0:13:03.480 that's who wants it. 0:13:03.600 --> 0:13:08.640 Losers, losers, nerds. People who don't like that is rude. 0:13:08.640 --> 0:13:10.200 Like I did talk to one person who's like but 0:13:10.280 --> 0:13:12.200 for Adam, and it's like, okay, but it's not worth 0:13:12.640 --> 0:13:15.760 all of the It's not worth like people having brown water. Yeah, 0:13:15.760 --> 0:13:18.120 Like it's just I don't and like it's just not 0:13:18.240 --> 0:13:20.160 worth yeah, and like getting sick. 0:13:21.559 --> 0:13:22.040 I don't know. 0:13:22.840 --> 0:13:26.160 They basically, you know, like the episode is called quick Scribble, 0:13:26.200 --> 0:13:28.920 which is the name of the app that wants Debra, 0:13:29.640 --> 0:13:33.199 and like they want her to basically use her comedy 0:13:33.240 --> 0:13:37.320 to make people's like bridesmaid speeches and eulogies and stuff 0:13:37.360 --> 0:13:40.680 like funnier with Ai or whatever. And she's kind of 0:13:40.720 --> 0:13:42.960 like down for it, and even Hannah like can't convince 0:13:43.000 --> 0:13:45.400 her and it's not until she like has a meeting 0:13:45.400 --> 0:13:47.280 with the guy and it's Alex Moffatt from the guy 0:13:47.320 --> 0:13:49.439 who used to play the guy who just bought a 0:13:49.480 --> 0:13:52.720 boat on SNL. Like he just plays that douchey vibe. 0:13:52.760 --> 0:13:55.720 He like is doing the final like moments of the 0:13:55.760 --> 0:13:58.760 sale with her, and he basically is just like telling her, yeah, 0:13:58.760 --> 0:14:01.360 like everyone's going to be on this, like your art 0:14:01.440 --> 0:14:03.959 is She she basically has to convince him like this 0:14:04.040 --> 0:14:05.680 is art and like the part of the process of 0:14:05.720 --> 0:14:08.280 making art is the journey to making it. The point 0:14:08.280 --> 0:14:10.280 of art is not to make it easily, you know. 0:14:10.880 --> 0:14:14.480 And that's when she realizes and so it's like, really good. 0:14:14.559 --> 0:14:17.680 I recommend I recommend the whole series. But I loved 0:14:17.760 --> 0:14:20.240 this episode. Our friend Joe Mandy wrote on it. I 0:14:20.240 --> 0:14:22.360 texted him and was like, this was a really good episode. 0:14:22.440 --> 0:14:24.760 I ran into someone who's like in a room right 0:14:24.800 --> 0:14:26.960 now with Joe Mandy and someone else. 0:14:27.080 --> 0:14:27.280 Cool. 0:14:27.400 --> 0:14:31.040 Yeah, he's he's really worked on like every funny show. 0:14:31.560 --> 0:14:33.120 Yeah, he's a great, great writer. 0:14:33.640 --> 0:14:38.680 Yeah, there's really it's it's like I don't even know 0:14:38.680 --> 0:14:41.320 how to describe his vibe because he's not a twerp, 0:14:41.440 --> 0:14:45.840 but like it's just like it's this like Nana Nana, 0:14:46.080 --> 0:14:47.840 you know, like he is he a Bucks fan? 0:14:47.880 --> 0:14:49.239 I think he's a Bucks or Timberwolves. 0:14:49.240 --> 0:14:53.640 I don't remember Timberwolves Minnesota, and I remember he's a 0:14:53.680 --> 0:14:56.880 big NBA Midwest person, but I forgot the team. But Casey, 0:14:56.920 --> 0:14:59.080 have you listened to his albums because he did one 0:14:59.120 --> 0:15:02.160 album from me that he makes like a bunch of 0:15:02.200 --> 0:15:05.760 jokes about Minnesota and he and Minneapolis and stuff. 0:15:05.760 --> 0:15:06.000 I think. 0:15:06.040 --> 0:15:08.120 And he's I think his stand up is really really 0:15:08.120 --> 0:15:11.240 funny too. Oh yeah, No, I love Joe Mandy. He's fantastic. 0:15:11.520 --> 0:15:13.600 We were just talking about what would you describe him? 0:15:13.640 --> 0:15:15.120 What's the better word than twerp? 0:15:15.440 --> 0:15:15.760 He is? 0:15:16.960 --> 0:15:19.120 I would say he is Well, he's like one of 0:15:19.160 --> 0:15:21.680 the original, true original troll real. 0:15:21.640 --> 0:15:24.480 On Twitter, he had like he was like he did 0:15:24.480 --> 0:15:26.600 this whole thing where he was really obsessed with Lacroix 0:15:27.080 --> 0:15:29.160 and he'd be like Lacroix boys, like and this was 0:15:29.200 --> 0:15:31.840 before everybody was drinking Lacroix, and he would like constantly 0:15:31.840 --> 0:15:34.720 he got he bought a million followers too. He was 0:15:34.760 --> 0:15:36.720 like the first person to buy a million followers, and 0:15:36.720 --> 0:15:39.600 he would like proudly be like I bought a million followers, 0:15:39.840 --> 0:15:43.240 and yeah, he's just but he's like a He's not 0:15:43.400 --> 0:15:45.160 like a shitty trolls. 0:15:45.800 --> 0:15:48.760 He loves his pets. He's like, I'm obsessed. 0:15:49.160 --> 0:15:52.400 He's like an Internet professor because he'll post from the 0:15:52.400 --> 0:15:55.400 Internet where I'm like, where are you finding these things? 0:15:55.440 --> 0:15:55.600 Yeah? 0:15:55.640 --> 0:15:59.320 Because truly am like disturbed by the things he like 0:15:59.800 --> 0:16:02.560 does discovers in his research on the Internet. 0:16:02.640 --> 0:16:04.680 Like I feel that way about John Hill too. 0:16:04.720 --> 0:16:07.000 Sometimes John Hill will post a carousel and I'll just 0:16:07.000 --> 0:16:09.720 write him and go, what the fuck is this stuff? 0:16:09.760 --> 0:16:13.280 Like where do you find this? Like, oh my god? 0:16:13.840 --> 0:16:17.120 Yeah, but but Joe is Yeah, we were just talking. 0:16:17.120 --> 0:16:18.680 I was just talking about one of his bits last 0:16:18.720 --> 0:16:20.720 night at my show because I was talking about Sue 0:16:20.760 --> 0:16:24.680 Plantation with someone because there's used to be a place 0:16:24.680 --> 0:16:25.800 in LA called. 0:16:25.600 --> 0:16:28.080 Soup, which in the Midwest where I'm from is called 0:16:28.120 --> 0:16:32.000 sweet Tomato. So there are ways to have a better name. Yes, 0:16:33.240 --> 0:16:35.560 But have I been to the soup plantation that recently 0:16:35.560 --> 0:16:36.960 closed in La. 0:16:37.080 --> 0:16:40.320 I've been there. I saw weird out there. Dude. 0:16:40.360 --> 0:16:43.920 I have to say, I like this is my subway 0:16:43.960 --> 0:16:47.720 take bring back restaurants that just offer ten kinds of soup. 0:16:47.880 --> 0:16:51.000 I love soup places, and they're going away, and I 0:16:51.080 --> 0:16:54.480 understand that the overhead is probably not worth the sales. 0:16:55.000 --> 0:16:57.360 If you're just sup Plantation at everything, I thought you 0:16:57.400 --> 0:16:58.560 were gonna take it, like, give. 0:16:58.360 --> 0:16:59.960 Me a buffet of every I want. Salad. 0:17:00.040 --> 0:17:04.200 Yeah yeah, no, no, that's soup. Plantation had salad, pizza, 0:17:04.280 --> 0:17:06.240 They had a lot of stuff. I just liked any 0:17:06.280 --> 0:17:08.479 place that offered more than just like we have our 0:17:08.480 --> 0:17:09.360 two soups of the day. 0:17:09.400 --> 0:17:11.760 I just like a lot of varieties of soups. You 0:17:11.800 --> 0:17:14.240 got to know that Little Poland next timmer in town. 0:17:14.280 --> 0:17:16.240 I can go to Little Poland. Okay, I don't know 0:17:16.240 --> 0:17:17.920 about what their ve veg. 0:17:18.200 --> 0:17:18.480 I know. 0:17:20.840 --> 0:17:21.600 I will say. 0:17:22.359 --> 0:17:24.639 One of my meal kid services has been I've been 0:17:24.640 --> 0:17:28.080 getting this parogi soup that I've been making. 0:17:28.600 --> 0:17:31.240 I'm into Parogi's now. I really love. 0:17:31.440 --> 0:17:34.199 It's actually like a food made for you. I mean, 0:17:34.280 --> 0:17:36.159 like a potato filled noodle. 0:17:36.680 --> 0:17:39.320 I think I had a bad parogi like the first 0:17:39.320 --> 0:17:41.640 time once and was like I don't like this, And 0:17:41.680 --> 0:17:43.680 now I'm like, I think I just got a bad one, 0:17:44.320 --> 0:17:45.879 so I gotta get back. I gotta get back at 0:17:46.720 --> 0:17:49.359 a potato ravioli. I mean, come on, I love it 0:17:49.560 --> 0:17:50.679 some grilled onions. 0:17:50.760 --> 0:17:54.760 I mean, because I know The Good Place was obviously 0:17:54.760 --> 0:17:58.240 a huge success and like lasted forever. But I was 0:17:58.280 --> 0:18:00.639 on the ground floor, like I watched from episode like 0:18:01.320 --> 0:18:03.280 I loved it, and I remember that's when I met 0:18:03.320 --> 0:18:06.600 Joe Mandy and I think, and you know, everyone likes 0:18:06.600 --> 0:18:08.840 to be compl and I just was asking such specific 0:18:08.880 --> 0:18:12.600 crazy questions like knew everything, and I just. 0:18:12.760 --> 0:18:14.240 It was I was performing. 0:18:14.440 --> 0:18:17.760 This was twenty six or January twenty seventeen, because Trump 0:18:17.800 --> 0:18:20.439 had just taken office night a weekend in DC. I 0:18:20.480 --> 0:18:22.720 remember that, Yeah, because then my opener, who was an 0:18:22.720 --> 0:18:24.840 old friend of mine, started saying the most crazy racist 0:18:24.880 --> 0:18:28.880 stuff ever. And that's when our friendship ended. Oh shit, yeah, 0:18:28.960 --> 0:18:31.399 we like shared a hotel. He was like being insane, 0:18:31.440 --> 0:18:37.719 and yeah, it's like a weekend, I remember, Damn. So 0:18:37.920 --> 0:18:40.600 I was talking to a friend whose younger sister like 0:18:40.720 --> 0:18:44.119 came to visit and was like, oh my god, I 0:18:44.160 --> 0:18:47.160 want to go to my favorite restaurant I was there 0:18:47.240 --> 0:18:49.200 last time, Like could we please go to my favorite 0:18:49.200 --> 0:18:51.000 restaurant in New York And he was like yeah, of course. 0:18:51.000 --> 0:18:53.080 You know he's always planning, and he's like, Okay, we'll 0:18:53.080 --> 0:18:55.879 go wherever, and it was in Chelsea Market and he's like, 0:18:55.920 --> 0:18:57.600 you don't remember the name. She goes, I don't remember 0:18:57.600 --> 0:18:58.680 the name. He's like, but if I take you to 0:18:58.760 --> 0:19:00.680 Chelsea Market, you'll find it. She goes, yeah, I'll be 0:19:00.680 --> 0:19:02.879 able to find it. And it was like Hurth and Harty. 0:19:03.720 --> 0:19:08.120 Oh my god, you wanted to kill her. I used 0:19:08.119 --> 0:19:10.040 to go to Heurth and Hardy. Sure, but you would 0:19:10.040 --> 0:19:13.080 never visit Hardy yeah, and be like, this is my 0:19:13.200 --> 0:19:14.280 favorite restaurant. 0:19:14.640 --> 0:19:14.960 Never. 0:19:15.640 --> 0:19:18.080 But it was a place that was like multiple soups, 0:19:18.160 --> 0:19:20.480 you know, I think, honestly, we've talked about it on 0:19:20.520 --> 0:19:23.520 the podcast already. Cozy. I miss Cozy's tomato soup. I 0:19:23.560 --> 0:19:24.199 loved Cozy. 0:19:24.480 --> 0:19:25.400 I like the bread. 0:19:25.800 --> 0:19:29.440 I like the bread to be salty, gorgeous, bread, so good. 0:19:29.560 --> 0:19:32.440 I would get the Hummus veggie at Cozy. I would 0:19:32.440 --> 0:19:33.840 bring it into the movies because it was by that 0:19:34.640 --> 0:19:38.119 the Regal or AMC and Union Square. Oh, because I 0:19:38.119 --> 0:19:41.960 remember I took Megan to see Tusk and she was 0:19:42.080 --> 0:19:44.520 really upset, but we had Cozy sandwiches with us. 0:19:44.600 --> 0:19:48.280 Yeah, you gotta follow up Tusk with a cozy sand No, 0:19:48.359 --> 0:19:50.119 we brought it in. We were like eating her. Oh 0:19:50.160 --> 0:19:50.880 you brought it in. 0:19:51.680 --> 0:19:55.240 I mean, I just hearing about Tusk, I'm like terrified, 0:19:55.640 --> 0:19:58.359 just like when people describe it. I'm like, oh, like, 0:19:58.560 --> 0:20:01.760 oh my god, you know, I can't believe you brought 0:20:01.840 --> 0:20:02.960 that friend for us. 0:20:03.600 --> 0:20:08.880 She was so mad. Jesus, she's so mad. You're gonna 0:20:08.920 --> 0:20:13.359 love it. I'm just the Justin Long. I don't know why. 0:20:13.440 --> 0:20:15.240 I don't know, but it was like we went at 0:20:15.280 --> 0:20:16.200 like ten o'clock, we. 0:20:16.160 --> 0:20:18.359 Got with our cozy sandwiches, and when we left and 0:20:18.400 --> 0:20:19.440 she was livid. 0:20:21.160 --> 0:20:24.000 Yeah, Justin Long like doesn't have the like for some reason. 0:20:24.200 --> 0:20:25.959 Like when he first came on the scene, I wouldn't 0:20:25.960 --> 0:20:27.560 have like assumed he was the kind of guy that 0:20:27.600 --> 0:20:29.720 has made the choices that he's made in his career. 0:20:29.920 --> 0:20:32.840 Like I think he's made cool choices. Oh, but I 0:20:32.880 --> 0:20:34.920 was always like, he's just like a guy that's gonna 0:20:34.960 --> 0:20:37.040 do like little rom coms and whatever. You know. 0:20:37.280 --> 0:20:41.600 Now he's always been horror, just long creepers. 0:20:42.000 --> 0:20:44.720 Yeah he's like, oh, well, I guess I don't watch those, 0:20:44.760 --> 0:20:46.600 So all I've seen him in is like but then 0:20:46.680 --> 0:20:51.400 he's like, now in the what's the guy's name, Zach, 0:20:51.560 --> 0:20:52.800 the guy made Zach. 0:20:52.880 --> 0:20:54.560 Yeah, now he's in all those and you know. 0:20:55.400 --> 0:21:01.439 Yeah, well, okay, let's get started, right, that's your favorite slop. 0:21:02.800 --> 0:21:03.440 I mean. 0:21:05.680 --> 0:21:06.400 That'll be a postwart. 0:21:06.920 --> 0:21:12.520 Okay, listen listening to this, this horrific episode and at 0:21:12.560 --> 0:21:12.880 the end. 0:21:13.080 --> 0:21:15.200 Yeah about stay tuned if you want to hear Kara's 0:21:15.200 --> 0:21:19.680 favorite soup. Okay, uh. But as always, you guys, that's 0:21:19.720 --> 0:21:23.439 messed up. 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This guy seems a little cheesy, but I 0:22:16.520 --> 0:22:19.119 like the real guy from the real life what's his 0:22:19.240 --> 0:22:23.680 name Walsh? Yeah, so because his kid was murdered or 0:22:23.680 --> 0:22:26.080 disappeared out and I feel like that show did a 0:22:26.160 --> 0:22:29.320 lot of good work. Yeah, I don't know if there 0:22:29.320 --> 0:22:31.720 were errors like in this. Sorry to get ahead of myself. 0:22:31.960 --> 0:22:34.200 I am curious. Oh do you talk about the show? 0:22:34.320 --> 0:22:37.320 No, this is I don't. I don't actually John Walsh, 0:22:37.359 --> 0:22:38.639 John Walsh. 0:22:38.280 --> 0:22:41.159 Yeah, I'm curious because to me, that show did like 0:22:41.280 --> 0:22:42.359 incredible work. 0:22:43.320 --> 0:22:45.879 But I wonder if I'm mistaken. 0:22:45.880 --> 0:22:48.240 Like I wonder if they al I wonder if it's 0:22:48.240 --> 0:22:50.640 like cops and it's like wait what But I remember 0:22:50.680 --> 0:22:55.239 like giant people getting captured because of him. So I 0:22:55.359 --> 0:22:58.200 liked the real show. But this this guy's a little cheesy. 0:22:59.000 --> 0:23:01.879 There's an American flag, there's an eagle. He's talking about 0:23:01.920 --> 0:23:08.720 college rape. We're at Hudson University obviously, Okay, so Sanctuary 0:23:08.760 --> 0:23:12.920 of the Mind they call Hudson. Now they're like, Sanctuary 0:23:12.920 --> 0:23:14.880 of the Mind is what they call themselves, but it's 0:23:14.920 --> 0:23:17.760 more of a sanctuary for rapists. Or did I say that? 0:23:18.000 --> 0:23:19.639 I honestly don't know if this was me or that 0:23:19.920 --> 0:23:24.640 the host of The America's I'm not sure who said 0:23:24.680 --> 0:23:29.960 what but whatever, there's a recreation, which you hate, right, 0:23:30.600 --> 0:23:33.119 I don't love recreations. 0:23:33.280 --> 0:23:36.000 They could be done well, like I'd like when we 0:23:36.040 --> 0:23:38.720 talked to Nancy Schwartzman, I thought the recreations in hers 0:23:38.720 --> 0:23:41.800 were done well, and in some of them they're just 0:23:41.840 --> 0:23:43.560 like really cheesy and they kind of take me. 0:23:43.520 --> 0:23:43.919 Out of it. 0:23:44.080 --> 0:23:49.280 But yeah, I do know, I don't I don't know. 0:23:49.400 --> 0:23:50.680 I don't know what I need anymore. 0:23:50.720 --> 0:23:52.840 I haven't watched like Forensic Files, and I haven't watched, 0:23:53.160 --> 0:23:56.919 but I liked this because the recreation is incredible. They're like, 0:23:56.960 --> 0:23:58.879 she's from the Midwest and so she's like in an 0:23:58.960 --> 0:24:01.840 ugly scarf and smile and what that means to them, 0:24:01.960 --> 0:24:05.800 you know, first time leaving her hometown. And then her 0:24:05.880 --> 0:24:08.880 dream turned into a nightmare. We go to old school 0:24:08.960 --> 0:24:11.240 interview vibes where it's like darkened on top of a 0:24:11.280 --> 0:24:14.600 person so you can't see who's talking. Hit an identity interview. 0:24:15.200 --> 0:24:18.160 She started chatting to a popular, you know guy boyfriend. 0:24:18.200 --> 0:24:21.159 Material thought he was one of the good guys. The 0:24:21.240 --> 0:24:25.080 host says, but you were wrong, and she and then 0:24:25.119 --> 0:24:28.840 she says yeah about everything, so you know, he was 0:24:28.920 --> 0:24:32.200 like a popular frack guy. The romantic moment turned terrifying. 0:24:32.400 --> 0:24:35.000 She suddenly there was four men. It was it's a 0:24:35.040 --> 0:24:37.920 gang rape. She was gang raped for hours. She said 0:24:37.960 --> 0:24:40.560 she could tell she wasn't even human to them. And 0:24:40.600 --> 0:24:43.240 we discussed this a lot, like it's not even it's 0:24:43.280 --> 0:24:45.960 not always even the action. It's like the core of 0:24:46.800 --> 0:24:49.800 how women are viewed by so many people, just like 0:24:50.040 --> 0:24:50.800 not human. 0:24:51.200 --> 0:24:51.960 So wildly. 0:24:52.040 --> 0:24:55.640 Benson is watching this programming as she's feeding baby Noah, 0:24:55.760 --> 0:24:57.000 which is insane. 0:24:57.040 --> 0:24:59.119 It's like your day off. It's your day off, babe, 0:24:59.160 --> 0:24:59.879 why are you watching this? 0:25:00.040 --> 0:25:03.520 Yes, but she's funny, and she turns to Know and goes, 0:25:03.600 --> 0:25:05.320 you're not going to Hudson University. 0:25:06.000 --> 0:25:09.080 And then I don't remember that joke from before, Like 0:25:09.119 --> 0:25:10.960 I don't remember that. It felt like the first time 0:25:10.960 --> 0:25:12.439 hearing that joke, and I was like, I like that 0:25:12.480 --> 0:25:15.080 the show can laugh about Hudson University being like an 0:25:15.160 --> 0:25:20.240 absolute hot bed of rape, Like it's it was good. 0:25:20.320 --> 0:25:20.840 I like that. 0:25:20.840 --> 0:25:23.840 That really gave me a nice giggle. Yeah, And then 0:25:24.119 --> 0:25:26.640 she uh so, then we go back. She would they 0:25:26.760 --> 0:25:29.480 you know, she went to the school she went and 0:25:29.520 --> 0:25:31.600 to report it. They of course are like, were you drinking? 0:25:31.640 --> 0:25:36.320 Are their witnesses So then back to Benson and Chief 0:25:36.359 --> 0:25:40.080 Dodds calls her and she she goes, I'm actually watching 0:25:40.119 --> 0:25:43.000 that right now. What are the chances? What are the chances? 0:25:43.400 --> 0:25:46.199 And guess who else is watching the program? The mayor's wife, 0:25:46.240 --> 0:25:49.440 and she wants something done about this, so Benson says, 0:25:49.440 --> 0:25:50.000 we're on it. 0:25:50.520 --> 0:25:51.360 She's also in like. 0:25:51.320 --> 0:25:54.439 A half up, half down hair situation, big swoop bangs. 0:25:54.520 --> 0:25:58.080 She looks very amazing. So we're back to the show 0:25:58.119 --> 0:26:00.639 and she's like, the nightmare just began. And then Benson 0:26:00.680 --> 0:26:02.480 breathes deep because she knows this is about to be 0:26:02.560 --> 0:26:04.680 like a hell of a case. And we go into 0:26:04.680 --> 0:26:07.439 the credits. So now we're watching the episode again, but 0:26:07.560 --> 0:26:10.439 at work, Rollin's Fen and Careasey are in there, and 0:26:10.520 --> 0:26:14.119 Creasey judges her and like, hasn't he been in this 0:26:14.200 --> 0:26:16.439 squad for a while, Like isn't he a lawyer already? 0:26:16.560 --> 0:26:20.080 Like what the fuck is his problem? But now this 0:26:20.160 --> 0:26:20.520 is funny. 0:26:20.520 --> 0:26:22.560 He goes, this is what you do on your Sundays off, 0:26:22.600 --> 0:26:26.200 and Benson goes, well, me and Gracie mansion. Apparently he's 0:26:26.200 --> 0:26:28.640 not annoying right now, I got ahead of myself again. 0:26:28.720 --> 0:26:30.920 But he's very annoying, and his hair looks like shit 0:26:30.960 --> 0:26:34.240 this episode too, like I wonder if something happened, Yeah, 0:26:34.280 --> 0:26:37.439 like it's gelled back like a vampire. He truly looks 0:26:38.440 --> 0:26:41.400 like really crazy. There's a newspaper boy hat later. It's 0:26:41.400 --> 0:26:45.240 a weird part, like I wonder if he went to 0:26:45.280 --> 0:26:47.720 a beauty school for a cheap haircut and something happened, 0:26:47.760 --> 0:26:51.840 Like it is such weird combing and gelling in this episode. 0:26:52.160 --> 0:26:53.520 And they're usually very good. 0:26:53.960 --> 0:26:56.560 And one PP is pissed because they got caught looking 0:26:56.640 --> 0:27:00.520 bad on national television. But how nothing was reported? So 0:27:00.560 --> 0:27:02.960 caris he already looked into it happened in December, and 0:27:03.119 --> 0:27:05.320 NYPD got no record of a complaint from the VIC 0:27:05.440 --> 0:27:07.520 or Hudson University. So I don't know why one Pp 0:27:07.760 --> 0:27:10.639 is even like ty you know panties on a twist. 0:27:10.720 --> 0:27:11.560 Oh they always do. 0:27:11.720 --> 0:27:14.960 They're like, how did you not like like into it 0:27:15.240 --> 0:27:17.680 that this was happening, Like why didn't you see into 0:27:17.720 --> 0:27:18.400 the crystal ball? 0:27:18.440 --> 0:27:19.200 They're always mad. 0:27:19.560 --> 0:27:22.680 So Benson goes, well, she said Hudson ignored her, which 0:27:22.680 --> 0:27:25.720 obviously we've been down this road before, and then Rollins goes, 0:27:25.880 --> 0:27:29.240 of course, and this show, but the show is for ratings, like, 0:27:29.280 --> 0:27:31.920 we don't even know if any of this happened, and 0:27:32.000 --> 0:27:35.840 Cariese's like and we're too busy, okay, And Benson has 0:27:35.840 --> 0:27:39.080 to remind them this isn't lm Z okay, it's a 0:27:39.160 --> 0:27:43.159 legit national news magazine. They interviewed her, she disclosed, and 0:27:43.200 --> 0:27:45.080 she and then she got a call from Dodds, who 0:27:45.080 --> 0:27:47.080 got called from the mayor. So like, we actually don't 0:27:47.080 --> 0:27:49.280 even have a choice, and we have to investigate. But 0:27:49.320 --> 0:27:51.399 they also don't even know who this girl is. But 0:27:51.440 --> 0:27:54.200 the show does. So Finn goes, great, you're gonna make 0:27:54.200 --> 0:27:56.800 me talk to reporters. So they're with the hosts of 0:27:56.840 --> 0:28:00.400 the show, and again he seems like a passion good 0:28:00.440 --> 0:28:04.680 guy and happy to be amplifying what's going on. Rollins goes, great, 0:28:04.720 --> 0:28:07.960 so you amplify and we investigate, so give us the information, 0:28:08.560 --> 0:28:10.720 and I gey, this is where I noticed Carisey's here, 0:28:10.840 --> 0:28:14.760 I wrote, weird, It's like, I don't get it, so 0:28:15.240 --> 0:28:17.480 but obviously this reporter can't give the name up and 0:28:17.560 --> 0:28:20.439 Rollins goes get over it, like no one cares, and 0:28:20.480 --> 0:28:24.280 stop leaning on the First Amendment. Isn't that what it's 0:28:24.320 --> 0:28:28.880 for to lean on it? Like I don't understand. He's like, no, no, 0:28:29.000 --> 0:28:31.520 I'm not falling on my journalistic sword. Like, the only 0:28:31.600 --> 0:28:32.960 way she agreed to talk to me is that I 0:28:33.000 --> 0:28:34.920 promised her anonymity, and so that's what I'm gonna do. 0:28:35.000 --> 0:28:38.280 She's scared to fucking death and Cariasey threatens to get 0:28:38.280 --> 0:28:39.880 a judge to force him to do it, and he 0:28:39.920 --> 0:28:44.000 folds immediately, well not fully. He goes, I'll kick the 0:28:44.000 --> 0:28:46.640 footage request upstairs, but that's not my call, and I'll 0:28:46.640 --> 0:28:49.200 connect you to the woman who shopped the story and 0:28:49.280 --> 0:28:52.000 maybe she can convince Jane to come talk to the NYPD. 0:28:52.840 --> 0:28:55.000 So we're at Hudson, Rollins and crease He are there 0:28:55.040 --> 0:28:59.040 to meet Professor Dylan and this actress we figured out 0:28:59.080 --> 0:29:01.960 from Breaking bats while episodes, so that's exciting. 0:29:02.000 --> 0:29:04.200 And she she wants to help. 0:29:04.600 --> 0:29:07.160 They bring up American Crime Show and she's like, yeah, 0:29:07.200 --> 0:29:09.280 it's important what they did to get the story out. 0:29:09.320 --> 0:29:11.240 But when Rollin's asked to get in touch with Jane, 0:29:11.320 --> 0:29:13.840 she's like, listen, she already tried this. 0:29:13.960 --> 0:29:15.719 She went to the school, it turned out terrible. She 0:29:15.720 --> 0:29:16.239 can't do it. 0:29:16.320 --> 0:29:18.959 Krees calls Jane a victim, and the professor interrupts him 0:29:18.960 --> 0:29:22.560 and goes survivor and he's like, I'll kill you in 0:29:22.600 --> 0:29:26.160 his eyes, like he hates her, but he goes, okay, 0:29:26.280 --> 0:29:30.120 the survivor and the university that's got nothing to do 0:29:30.240 --> 0:29:33.360 with us, and she goes listen, she's very fragile. I 0:29:33.400 --> 0:29:35.440 don't know if she can like even handle the legal 0:29:35.480 --> 0:29:38.600 system right now, and Rollins goes, lady, with all due respects, 0:29:38.640 --> 0:29:40.440 if you don't want to help, that's fine, but we'll 0:29:40.440 --> 0:29:43.040 go around you, so figure out what the fuck you want. 0:29:43.520 --> 0:29:45.800 It rubs her the wrong way and she says something 0:29:45.800 --> 0:29:48.840 about fellow centric language. I didn't want to rewind, I 0:29:48.840 --> 0:29:52.240 don't care, so Rollin's so Rollins then like plays good girl. 0:29:52.360 --> 0:29:55.280 Now she's like, listen, something terrible happen and we don't 0:29:55.320 --> 0:29:57.040 want these guys to get away with it. And she 0:29:57.160 --> 0:29:59.640 does hear that, but she just doesn't think Jane wants 0:29:59.680 --> 0:30:01.240 to hear, like deal with any of this. 0:30:01.560 --> 0:30:02.959 So we're back at the office. 0:30:03.040 --> 0:30:05.200 Rollinds things up and goes like, fuck, Jane is not 0:30:05.240 --> 0:30:08.880 going to cooperate and that she will come forward when 0:30:09.080 --> 0:30:12.280 and where she wants to, and Cristy is like, what 0:30:12.320 --> 0:30:14.400 the fuck does that mean? And Rollins goes, well, she's 0:30:14.440 --> 0:30:17.240 scared to make an official complaint, and cares again. I 0:30:17.240 --> 0:30:21.320 wrote hair insane in this episode all caps. So then 0:30:21.720 --> 0:30:24.600 you know, Carees confronts Rollins and they're at the coffee area, 0:30:24.600 --> 0:30:26.600 and you know, I love when they do normal office things. 0:30:26.600 --> 0:30:29.840 So they're at the coffee station and he's like, what 0:30:29.880 --> 0:30:31.960 the fuck you threw me under the bus with that professor, 0:30:32.000 --> 0:30:35.040 And Rollins goes, come on, bro, she's a rape advocate. 0:30:35.440 --> 0:30:37.920 She has a chip on her shoulder about mail detectives. 0:30:37.960 --> 0:30:42.040 I was just working my angles and he goes, rape advocate. 0:30:42.160 --> 0:30:43.479 I don't even get what that is. 0:30:43.600 --> 0:30:47.360 There's no burglary at burglary advocate or carjacking advocate. 0:30:48.440 --> 0:30:51.080 What the fuck? Like we know her? I don't. Is 0:30:51.120 --> 0:30:54.080 this that new? Am? I like mistaken that Cares is 0:30:54.240 --> 0:30:56.400 like too young. 0:30:56.440 --> 0:30:58.360 I guess this is pre law school, but like, how 0:30:58.400 --> 0:31:00.600 are you in SVU and the Good Guy and doing this? 0:31:01.600 --> 0:31:03.960 What season is this again? Sixteen? 0:31:04.440 --> 0:31:06.680 He's new, season new. I guess he's new. You're right, 0:31:06.760 --> 0:31:09.400 he's new. He's new. He's new. 0:31:09.520 --> 0:31:09.800 Fuck. 0:31:11.760 --> 0:31:15.320 So then Rolinds goes, well, when's the last time a 0:31:15.360 --> 0:31:17.800 carjacking victim got asked? Are you sure you didn't want 0:31:17.800 --> 0:31:21.080 to get your car to get stolen. So he says, okay, fine, 0:31:21.200 --> 0:31:23.360 I get it, but she's getting in our way. And 0:31:23.360 --> 0:31:25.360 then Ronalds has to be like, yeah, welcome to SVU, 0:31:25.440 --> 0:31:27.360 you fucking idiot, get used to it. 0:31:27.880 --> 0:31:31.000 I'm sorry I was so rude to Creasy. It is his. 0:31:30.920 --> 0:31:33.360 First season and they do have to make sure there's 0:31:33.520 --> 0:31:37.000 character growth. He grabs his jacket, pissed, and he's heading 0:31:37.040 --> 0:31:39.120 back to campus. He doesn't want to tell Benson that 0:31:39.200 --> 0:31:41.480 there's nothing there, like he's new and he wants to 0:31:41.480 --> 0:31:45.520 impress the sergeant. So Benson and Barbara are walking with 0:31:45.600 --> 0:31:48.640 cute little blue NYC coffee cups love them, and she 0:31:48.840 --> 0:31:52.160 is speaking a different language, Italian. Hello, she's in a beanie. 0:31:52.320 --> 0:31:53.600 She's like grat say. 0:31:57.280 --> 0:32:01.120 She's like, the investigation is just starting now, Okay, thank 0:32:01.160 --> 0:32:06.160 you bye, Like out of the conversation feels like it's 0:32:06.200 --> 0:32:10.840 like an opportunity to showcase Marishka's Italian and not necessarily 0:32:11.400 --> 0:32:12.800 super important to the plot. 0:32:13.440 --> 0:32:19.680 Yeah, she's always trying to squeeze that in. So they're 0:32:19.920 --> 0:32:23.000 they're chatting the case. You know, no one trusts cops. 0:32:23.120 --> 0:32:26.200 Barbara says, al subpoena everyone. Benson goes, there has to 0:32:26.200 --> 0:32:29.200 be an easier way. So she's like, listen, she talks 0:32:29.200 --> 0:32:31.280 to someone at the university, let's figure it out. Of 0:32:31.280 --> 0:32:34.880 course it's the president, President Roberts, and Benson goes, oh, 0:32:34.920 --> 0:32:37.440 we have history. So they're in the office and she 0:32:37.520 --> 0:32:39.960 and the old lady from what are definitely best friends, 0:32:40.160 --> 0:32:43.320 like they know each other. They're at the gallas. This 0:32:43.640 --> 0:32:48.160 is an old, mean woman. She's like under her eye 0:32:48.360 --> 0:32:53.600 eyeliner on, she's a mess. So basically her name, the 0:32:53.640 --> 0:32:57.160 actress is Kathleen Schalfant, and she's in the movie Old 0:32:58.200 --> 0:33:01.640 and she's in four episodes of SVU So to non 0:33:02.160 --> 0:33:05.080 She's in season two of an episode called non Compliance 0:33:05.080 --> 0:33:07.920 in the season eight Haystack, and then also from this 0:33:08.000 --> 0:33:10.920 season port and Stars Requiem as the same character. 0:33:11.000 --> 0:33:12.520 She is like always what. 0:33:12.560 --> 0:33:15.720 I think of when I think of the dean character 0:33:15.800 --> 0:33:19.440 at Hudson, Like we've met many different college deans of 0:33:19.520 --> 0:33:24.120 different ages and genders, and this woman, to me is 0:33:24.160 --> 0:33:29.320 like the quintessential SVU Hudson University dean, like just pointy 0:33:29.440 --> 0:33:32.480 features and like, you know, this is who I think of. 0:33:32.680 --> 0:33:33.760 Kathleen Chlfont. 0:33:34.000 --> 0:33:37.400 Yes, and then Benson sits sound slow and says that 0:33:37.520 --> 0:33:39.680 Jane said she was shut down by the new university. 0:33:39.720 --> 0:33:40.480 Who did she talk to? 0:33:40.560 --> 0:33:43.760 She goes, yeah, me, so she goes, I followed all protocols, 0:33:43.760 --> 0:33:45.760 and Benson goes, uh huh, Well, we're talking about a 0:33:45.800 --> 0:33:49.040 gang rape, so that's weird that it was never officially reported, 0:33:49.520 --> 0:33:51.480 and the press is like, hmm, first I heard of 0:33:51.520 --> 0:33:54.360 any gang was on that show. When she came to me, 0:33:54.480 --> 0:33:57.440 she only mentioned one person and she will not say who, 0:33:58.280 --> 0:34:02.360 and the President calls it regrettable drunken sex. And then 0:34:02.400 --> 0:34:05.840 Benson goes, oh, okay, four men holding her down sounds 0:34:05.880 --> 0:34:08.640 like that right, and the President goes again, she only 0:34:08.680 --> 0:34:09.520 mentioned one student. 0:34:09.920 --> 0:34:10.680 She was drunk. 0:34:10.760 --> 0:34:13.279 She went willingly there with her date, and when I 0:34:13.320 --> 0:34:17.360 asked her if it was consensual, she became defensive, which duh. 0:34:17.400 --> 0:34:19.520 But also I don't understand how entering a frat hoouse 0:34:19.600 --> 0:34:22.200 on a date is saying yes to rape like or 0:34:22.239 --> 0:34:25.600 to fucking like the things that people use as consent 0:34:25.800 --> 0:34:29.919 or yes is so strange to me. Yeah, it's like, yeah, 0:34:29.920 --> 0:34:31.600 you did want to go on a date, but you 0:34:31.600 --> 0:34:33.560 didn't want to fuck, Like, why is that not an option? 0:34:33.719 --> 0:34:35.280 It's just like so strange. 0:34:35.520 --> 0:34:38.239 So she said she talked to the date too, and 0:34:38.280 --> 0:34:41.440 he seemed credible and he's well regarded. Why is he 0:34:41.480 --> 0:34:45.200 more credible than the girl? Because she wants to fuck him? 0:34:45.400 --> 0:34:48.600 Like that's what it is, Like, why is he more credible? Yeah, 0:34:48.640 --> 0:34:52.040 we meet him later, he doesn't look more trustworthy than her. 0:34:52.640 --> 0:34:53.960 She gives me snow white. 0:34:54.000 --> 0:34:56.560 He gives me lacrosse rape, you know what I mean, 0:34:56.760 --> 0:35:00.560 Like he actually looks rape. Like when they and this 0:35:00.600 --> 0:35:03.800 show in particular, when they're like upstanding, Oh, they trustworthy, trustworthy, 0:35:03.840 --> 0:35:06.120 it's like we have such different ideas of what trustworthy 0:35:06.200 --> 0:35:08.880 is because like all these guys look so shady to 0:35:08.920 --> 0:35:09.680 me when we meet them. 0:35:09.760 --> 0:35:15.440 Yeah, I feel like basically they mistake like self assuredness 0:35:15.520 --> 0:35:19.400 for being in confidence for like trustworthiness. 0:35:19.600 --> 0:35:20.879 Like a guy probably goes in there. 0:35:20.760 --> 0:35:23.720 And goes, ma'am, here's what happened, And the girl probably 0:35:23.719 --> 0:35:28.040 comes in and goes and then like because she's traumatized. 0:35:27.239 --> 0:35:28.680 You know what I mean, And so. 0:35:28.640 --> 0:35:30.480 They're like, I don't know, he just seemed more critical 0:35:30.920 --> 0:35:34.440 credible because he was more articulate and direct about what happened. 0:35:34.600 --> 0:35:37.240 It's like, yeah, because it wasn't a life ruining event 0:35:37.239 --> 0:35:40.480 for him. You know, did you consider that that is 0:35:40.560 --> 0:35:43.960 such a good point because I just know how guys that. 0:35:44.160 --> 0:35:46.680 I mean, this guy has the most punched the fucking face. 0:35:47.120 --> 0:35:49.600 And then with like this is one of our earlier 0:35:49.880 --> 0:35:52.160 like one of our first few episodes. But the colleens 0:35:52.200 --> 0:35:57.000 stamcase of like, you know, if you're too traumatized and slow, 0:35:57.080 --> 0:35:59.520 you're not trusted. But if you keep it all together, 0:35:59.560 --> 0:36:00.680 then you're not sad enough. 0:36:00.680 --> 0:36:02.880 And did it actually and you made it all up? Yeah, 0:36:03.360 --> 0:36:03.840 So it's. 0:36:03.719 --> 0:36:05.600 Like even so if she went in there and was 0:36:05.680 --> 0:36:10.960 direct and like clear, that also wouldn't have flown right. 0:36:11.200 --> 0:36:11.400 You know. 0:36:11.640 --> 0:36:14.960 Yeah, women can't get it right, that's for sure. 0:36:16.160 --> 0:36:18.160 So and then the president goes like, oh I was 0:36:18.200 --> 0:36:21.200 blind sided on national television, and Benson's over it and 0:36:21.239 --> 0:36:22.680 she's like I need to know the names. 0:36:23.080 --> 0:36:23.960 And that's when it hits. 0:36:23.840 --> 0:36:25.760 The president like, oh, she didn't even come to the police, 0:36:26.280 --> 0:36:27.600 so I'm not helping you. 0:36:27.640 --> 0:36:29.600 There's no criminal complaint. Fuck off. 0:36:30.040 --> 0:36:32.440 And then we hear like a protest happening outside and 0:36:32.480 --> 0:36:35.239 they're all chanting, we are all Jane, and she goes, 0:36:35.280 --> 0:36:38.440 excuse me, I have a firestorm on my hands. So 0:36:38.480 --> 0:36:40.719 then Careesy runs up to Benson in the freezing New 0:36:40.800 --> 0:36:42.960 York cold. He's wearing a newspaper boy hat that I 0:36:43.000 --> 0:36:43.920 mentioned earlier. 0:36:44.120 --> 0:36:50.600 It is they're trying to figure him out, and it's fine, and. 0:36:52.320 --> 0:36:54.080 I think, like eight more times I comment on it, 0:36:54.160 --> 0:36:56.680 I wrote rough episode for his head, like it is 0:36:56.960 --> 0:36:57.800 just a mess. 0:36:58.640 --> 0:37:00.360 So he's had no luck on campus. 0:37:00.400 --> 0:37:02.600 They walk to the protests and people are talking onto 0:37:02.640 --> 0:37:05.520 the mic explaining their journeys with sexual assault and how 0:37:06.239 --> 0:37:08.440 the school just said they would transfer her out of 0:37:08.480 --> 0:37:10.560 class to not be with her rapists, and then he 0:37:10.600 --> 0:37:13.799 graduated with honors, and the professor gets back on the 0:37:13.800 --> 0:37:17.719 mic and then she introduces Jane blue Eyes beanie full winterwear. 0:37:18.760 --> 0:37:21.440 The girl says, my name is Heather Manning and I'm 0:37:21.480 --> 0:37:25.080 the real Jane gasps depercussion music and she wants to 0:37:25.120 --> 0:37:28.720 tell her story. So now Jane and the professor Dylan, 0:37:28.800 --> 0:37:30.960 they show up at the precincts. Benson and Rollins are 0:37:31.000 --> 0:37:33.319 there to greet them, and the professor goes, we're not 0:37:33.400 --> 0:37:38.560 ready to press charges, and they respond we what. Benson goes, no, 0:37:38.800 --> 0:37:40.879 we want to talk to her without you, and then 0:37:40.880 --> 0:37:42.839 Benson and the professor of a side chin, she goes 0:37:42.840 --> 0:37:45.080 listen a ton of people in the community said that 0:37:45.120 --> 0:37:47.759 she that, like, you're the best, and if anyone's going 0:37:47.800 --> 0:37:50.160 to help, it's going to be you. But like Heather 0:37:50.239 --> 0:37:52.880 trusts me, and so I need to be there. So 0:37:52.960 --> 0:37:55.240 now the four of them are at the Circle would 0:37:55.360 --> 0:37:59.279 room Blind's table, and on December twelfth, she went on 0:37:59.320 --> 0:38:03.360 a date with an Alpha Zeta pie hockey player. Now 0:38:03.560 --> 0:38:05.799 we did not do this on purpose, but it is 0:38:05.880 --> 0:38:10.759 crazy that we are doing another hockey episode, considering you're 0:38:10.840 --> 0:38:16.480 constantly both trying to silence my heated Bible and then 0:38:16.680 --> 0:38:19.239 picking more and more hockey themed episodes. 0:38:19.760 --> 0:38:22.240 Hockey gets really big in the latter half of the catalog. 0:38:22.320 --> 0:38:23.839 I don't know what to say, we can't avoid it. 0:38:26.760 --> 0:38:29.279 And she's in a sky blue, very pretty sweater that 0:38:29.320 --> 0:38:32.960 matches her eyeshadow perfectly. So she says the date was 0:38:32.960 --> 0:38:35.520 with Brian Mackie. He's the team captain, and we meet 0:38:35.600 --> 0:38:38.400 him and it's like, there's no way that dork plays hockey. 0:38:38.640 --> 0:38:41.120 There's just no fucking way. Like they picked the least 0:38:41.160 --> 0:38:42.480 athletic looking people, like. 0:38:43.920 --> 0:38:45.360 I don't know, I guess I have a lot of issues. 0:38:46.000 --> 0:38:48.600 So that a great day. 0:38:48.960 --> 0:38:50.719 They went back to the house, and then he pulled 0:38:50.719 --> 0:38:52.960 her into his room and three guys were waiting in there. 0:38:53.040 --> 0:38:54.720 They jumped on her like a pack. 0:38:55.640 --> 0:38:57.800 She says that Brian was in charge the whole time, 0:38:57.920 --> 0:38:59.919 and that two people held her legs and two held 0:38:59.880 --> 0:39:03.000 her arms, and she doesn't know the other guy's names, 0:39:03.000 --> 0:39:05.360 but she's sure there was four men. And Benson's like, 0:39:05.360 --> 0:39:08.239 okay because the president said, you only mentioned one, and 0:39:08.280 --> 0:39:10.719 the professor is like, well, Roberts try to blame her 0:39:10.719 --> 0:39:12.759 for it. She didn't feel safe, and Benson goes, well, 0:39:12.760 --> 0:39:15.200 you're safe here and everyone needs to relax. So they 0:39:15.280 --> 0:39:17.840 took her and s raping her, sadomizing her. She starts 0:39:17.840 --> 0:39:20.040 to cry. They used an object, the handle of the 0:39:20.040 --> 0:39:22.839 hockey stick, and then they all high fived each other 0:39:22.880 --> 0:39:26.680 and left her there then and then cud it keeps 0:39:26.840 --> 0:39:29.960 going and then and then like with Porn Stars Requiem, 0:39:30.040 --> 0:39:31.160 it's very similar. 0:39:31.200 --> 0:39:34.120 That was a gang rape as well. Yeah, same season 0:39:34.280 --> 0:39:35.919 a few episodes ago, like. 0:39:36.440 --> 0:39:38.920 But okay, So she tries to leave and there's like 0:39:39.239 --> 0:39:41.680 she's running down the stairs of the frat house and 0:39:41.719 --> 0:39:45.040 there's guys all over throwing beer cans and cups at 0:39:45.040 --> 0:39:47.560 her and like telling her to go to church and 0:39:47.600 --> 0:39:52.000 apologize to her father for ruining his life, and her 0:39:52.040 --> 0:39:55.719 parents still don't know. They're fighting malaria in the Central 0:39:55.760 --> 0:39:56.960 African Republic. 0:39:58.440 --> 0:40:03.279 I don't know. I think they would fly home. I 0:40:03.320 --> 0:40:04.320 think they'd fly home. 0:40:04.560 --> 0:40:07.880 Yeah, your daughter is not to blame her, but I 0:40:07.920 --> 0:40:10.400 think she'd I think they'd fly home. For her appearance 0:40:10.440 --> 0:40:16.959 on America's Worst Crimes. Yeah, do you think probably who's 0:40:17.000 --> 0:40:17.480 watching her? 0:40:17.520 --> 0:40:22.239 No one text to them, No one text. Yeah. 0:40:22.400 --> 0:40:23.920 That is one of those things where they're like, we 0:40:23.920 --> 0:40:25.880 were over budget because of all the protest scenes, and 0:40:25.920 --> 0:40:28.759 we couldn't afford another like co star to be the 0:40:30.000 --> 0:40:31.080 the mom. 0:40:32.200 --> 0:40:34.840 She didn't go to the doctor either, And they but 0:40:34.920 --> 0:40:38.239 they need someone to corroborate. They keep saying that, and 0:40:38.400 --> 0:40:40.560 the professor tells how, But why don't the men have 0:40:40.600 --> 0:40:42.200 some Oh they all corroborate for each other. 0:40:42.280 --> 0:40:43.200 Duh. 0:40:43.280 --> 0:40:45.560 So anyways, the professor tells how, they're to show them 0:40:45.719 --> 0:40:47.920 the text. So then Brian did text her in an 0:40:47.920 --> 0:40:50.160 attempt to apologize, and it says, sorry about last night. 0:40:50.440 --> 0:40:52.479 My boys are out of control, but you deserve better 0:40:52.520 --> 0:40:55.400 than what they did. Benson goes great, any other physical 0:40:55.400 --> 0:40:57.400 evidence She goes, yeah, there's a guy that came up 0:40:57.440 --> 0:40:59.360 to me in class on Monday in front of everyone 0:40:59.400 --> 0:41:02.120 and gave me back my panties and I kept them, 0:41:02.480 --> 0:41:05.279 so that's good as well. And she wants to do 0:41:05.320 --> 0:41:07.480 this like after the rally. She wants to make sure 0:41:07.520 --> 0:41:10.279 like women know that they can do this too, So 0:41:10.320 --> 0:41:13.040 she names the other guys. They're all on the hockey team, 0:41:13.400 --> 0:41:16.880 and the detectives are on the scene. They have warrants 0:41:16.920 --> 0:41:20.080 full search. The guys are douches, obviously so confident. They're 0:41:20.080 --> 0:41:23.000 not taking any of this seriously. Like even if let's 0:41:23.000 --> 0:41:27.000 say you're innocent as fuck rich, everything's on your side, 0:41:27.840 --> 0:41:30.120 I don't know how they're like none of them are 0:41:30.160 --> 0:41:33.879 a little shaky that ten officers are searching, and like, 0:41:33.920 --> 0:41:37.919 I don't I don't get being this chill as there's 0:41:37.960 --> 0:41:39.120 a raid in your home. 0:41:39.360 --> 0:41:41.120 But if your. 0:41:41.080 --> 0:41:44.799 Daddy is like a lawyer, you're like whatever, whatever they find, 0:41:44.840 --> 0:41:45.880 it's fine, you know. 0:41:46.640 --> 0:41:49.000 Yeah, I think they're like those kind of guys. 0:41:50.000 --> 0:41:53.440 Brian is okay, Brian's not hot, sorry to the actor, 0:41:53.520 --> 0:41:56.480 but like, I don't get it, but he and then 0:41:56.520 --> 0:41:59.080 he does call it sex to creasy. Then there's a 0:41:59.080 --> 0:42:02.000 blonde guy, and he telling Rollins that she wanted Brian 0:42:02.120 --> 0:42:05.160 since freshman year and he threw her a bone. And 0:42:05.239 --> 0:42:07.840 Blondie was actually the big brother in the episode Savant 0:42:07.880 --> 0:42:11.640 from season nine and he's also in season twenty four Debatable. 0:42:12.840 --> 0:42:15.279 So then we hear someone going eight inches of it 0:42:15.360 --> 0:42:18.239 Brah and then Brian said she wanted to stay and 0:42:18.320 --> 0:42:21.200 snuggle but he did not, and then he calls it 0:42:21.239 --> 0:42:23.440 a walk and then there's like a walk of shame discussion, 0:42:23.520 --> 0:42:26.080 but even calling it that, it's like, why is it 0:42:26.120 --> 0:42:29.839 shameful to fuck you? And if you know what I mean, 0:42:29.920 --> 0:42:32.160 like why are you punishing the people that want to 0:42:32.239 --> 0:42:35.600 fuck you? I mean, she was attacked, but like let's like, 0:42:36.160 --> 0:42:38.480 let's say she just wanted Like why are you? Like 0:42:38.640 --> 0:42:40.680 it doesn't make sense. And we talked about this where 0:42:40.680 --> 0:42:42.840 it's like hard to get. It's like why do you 0:42:42.880 --> 0:42:44.600 want people that don't want to fuck you? 0:42:45.480 --> 0:42:45.840 Yeah. 0:42:45.960 --> 0:42:46.759 The only time I. 0:42:46.680 --> 0:42:48.319 Really kind of feel like it's a walk of shame 0:42:48.400 --> 0:42:51.960 is when you're walking home in your Halloween costume. But 0:42:52.080 --> 0:42:55.440 I think it's because them like, wow, you really like 0:42:55.560 --> 0:43:00.680 you look crazy? But you're right, why is it ever 0:43:00.760 --> 0:43:03.520 called the walk of shame? It's like you're walking home 0:43:03.560 --> 0:43:04.719 from having sex. 0:43:05.080 --> 0:43:06.600 Like you want someone to fuck you? 0:43:07.040 --> 0:43:09.759 This is an assault, but like, let's you want someone 0:43:09.800 --> 0:43:11.880 to fuck you because it seems like they do it 0:43:11.880 --> 0:43:14.080 to all the women in their front house. Yeah, and 0:43:14.120 --> 0:43:18.000 it's like then you punish them, and then more women 0:43:18.120 --> 0:43:20.439 do it, and then your mean to that, like why 0:43:20.480 --> 0:43:25.480 not being I don't understand. I don't understand this kind 0:43:25.520 --> 0:43:28.520 of culture. It's really confusing to me. 0:43:28.800 --> 0:43:32.680 Yeah, and they have a name, they call it the Gauntlet. 0:43:32.800 --> 0:43:37.680 Like they're constantly just like throwing shit at women. They 0:43:37.719 --> 0:43:42.000 called her a whore and I okay, And as they're 0:43:42.000 --> 0:43:44.920 explaining it to the cops, it's like not one of 0:43:44.960 --> 0:43:46.960 them goes, wait should. 0:43:46.680 --> 0:43:47.279 We not do that? 0:43:48.600 --> 0:43:51.520 They're like this is years and years of tradition, like 0:43:51.600 --> 0:43:52.880 we have to keep doing it. 0:43:53.800 --> 0:43:54.480 You don't get it. 0:43:55.080 --> 0:43:57.800 And then they're the ones that are credible to the president. 0:43:58.680 --> 0:44:01.359 It's so confusing, and then it's like do you want 0:44:01.360 --> 0:44:02.520 people not to fuck you? 0:44:03.000 --> 0:44:05.520 Then? Like should they not? Because then they are whores? 0:44:05.600 --> 0:44:09.919 And it's just like none of it fucking makes sense then, 0:44:10.560 --> 0:44:13.200 because then I mean I hate Amber Rose obviously, like 0:44:13.280 --> 0:44:17.279 anyone that's like votes for Trump is not a friend 0:44:17.360 --> 0:44:19.960 of mine, but I saw her on one podcast and 0:44:20.000 --> 0:44:22.880 she goes, all these dudes are like, they all have 0:44:22.960 --> 0:44:24.799 this idea of who they want to marry and it's 0:44:24.840 --> 0:44:28.560 this virginal mother type figure. And then she's like, they 0:44:28.640 --> 0:44:31.759 all cheat on these people. So it's like, what do 0:44:31.840 --> 0:44:34.680 you actually want because it's not the person you married. 0:44:34.640 --> 0:44:39.160 Yeah, yep, yeah, it's the Madonna and the horror complex, 0:44:39.239 --> 0:44:40.719 all of them for sure. 0:44:40.800 --> 0:44:43.200 And she's just like, you all want, like why are 0:44:43.239 --> 0:44:47.080 you marrying? It's like again to the top of this episode, 0:44:47.120 --> 0:44:49.880 it's like she wasn't even human, and it's like so 0:44:50.120 --> 0:44:55.160 much of the discussions of this is just like women 0:44:55.200 --> 0:45:00.279 are this like full afterthought to any of this. I'm 0:45:00.280 --> 0:45:03.799 gonna fuck this and then we're gonna wait and shame them. 0:45:03.920 --> 0:45:05.400 It's like fucking insane. 0:45:06.680 --> 0:45:06.799 Ugh. 0:45:07.000 --> 0:45:09.359 Then another guy in a backwards hack goes, can't take 0:45:09.360 --> 0:45:12.360 the heat, don't be a thought, and he is hot 0:45:12.440 --> 0:45:17.440 and his name is Connor. Connor's hot, and he does 0:45:17.520 --> 0:45:20.719 deny everything, and he said he would not take Mackie's scraps, 0:45:20.840 --> 0:45:23.479 which is true because Mackie's not hot. So I see 0:45:23.520 --> 0:45:26.160 everything now. So then the boys think they're the ones 0:45:26.239 --> 0:45:29.160 being fucked over. They're the victims, but no one cares. 0:45:29.200 --> 0:45:31.600 The search war includes DNA, so they're getting it. The 0:45:31.640 --> 0:45:33.680 guy that plays Connor is like a Broadway guy. 0:45:34.280 --> 0:45:34.720 Stop. 0:45:34.960 --> 0:45:37.640 Yeah, he was recently in the Mulin Rouge and like 0:45:37.920 --> 0:45:40.400 he replaced Aaron dwit Or. I don't know how you 0:45:40.440 --> 0:45:43.560 say his same vite, like who's an SPU guy, but 0:45:44.200 --> 0:45:46.560 I just think he has so I was so shocked 0:45:46.560 --> 0:45:49.120 because I think he has such like lacrosse rapee face, 0:45:49.320 --> 0:45:53.560 like for these kind of episodes of TV. But then 0:45:53.600 --> 0:45:56.799 he's like was in the Alanis Morissett musical and like 0:45:57.200 --> 0:46:01.800 Anastasia on Broadway and stuff, and he played Fierro in Wicked, 0:46:01.840 --> 0:46:02.880 which actually tracks one. 0:46:04.400 --> 0:46:08.960 Yeah, so now Finn and Rollins come report updates to 0:46:09.000 --> 0:46:11.680 Benson in her office, but the fourth guy wasn't there 0:46:11.719 --> 0:46:13.880 whereas he he's on a culture tour of Cuba. 0:46:14.000 --> 0:46:17.040 I can't convenient Kreesy pops in. 0:46:17.320 --> 0:46:20.120 So Taru just found a video that Connor made the 0:46:20.280 --> 0:46:22.840 night of the assault, and it was like deep in 0:46:22.880 --> 0:46:24.920 the hard drive and it's when she's running down the 0:46:24.960 --> 0:46:27.520 stairs and it is horrific, just like dozens of guys 0:46:27.600 --> 0:46:31.040 throwing shit at her, and then it goes to the 0:46:31.080 --> 0:46:33.200 haughty Connor and he's like, hey, it's me. 0:46:33.719 --> 0:46:35.480 This is another slut shaming video. 0:46:36.600 --> 0:46:39.400 So Barbara goes, listen, this sucks and it is harassment, 0:46:39.440 --> 0:46:42.720 but it is not assault. And then Benson goes, but hello, 0:46:42.800 --> 0:46:44.880 we have this semen match on the underwear, so like 0:46:44.920 --> 0:46:47.120 I forgot that we even got the but the semen's matching. 0:46:47.600 --> 0:46:49.480 So there's semen on the underwear. 0:46:49.600 --> 0:46:51.480 And then he's like, what about the hockey sticks, and 0:46:51.520 --> 0:46:52.960 it's like, it's been three months. There's not going to 0:46:53.000 --> 0:46:55.520 be fucking, you know, DNA on a hockey stick, idiot. 0:46:56.040 --> 0:46:56.600 So then. 0:46:57.920 --> 0:47:01.920 Barba says, no rape kit, no initial disclosure, nothing matches. 0:47:02.000 --> 0:47:04.319 It's been three months, Like what do you want and 0:47:04.480 --> 0:47:07.640 Benson is like, please, we have to do this. So 0:47:07.760 --> 0:47:09.719 Barbara goes, fine, bring in the hockey team. So then 0:47:09.760 --> 0:47:12.000 Brian denies the gang rape and says he texted the 0:47:12.000 --> 0:47:14.720 apology because of the throwing of the cups and the screaming, 0:47:14.760 --> 0:47:17.080 and he did feel badly about it, but you still 0:47:17.120 --> 0:47:18.759 are friends with all these people and I want you 0:47:18.760 --> 0:47:20.840 in jail. So then Finn is not having it, and 0:47:20.880 --> 0:47:23.200 now it cuts to Rollin's with the hattie and he 0:47:23.320 --> 0:47:24.160 says fuck that. 0:47:24.480 --> 0:47:26.680 I am not going to be an Eskimo brother with 0:47:26.760 --> 0:47:27.279 that guy. 0:47:27.680 --> 0:47:29.759 And they're like, well, your DNA is on the panties 0:47:29.840 --> 0:47:32.240 and he goes, I don't know, I fucking live there whatever, 0:47:32.560 --> 0:47:35.080 and the lawyer goes, is there a chain of custody here? 0:47:35.400 --> 0:47:36.719 And Rollins goes, well, I don't know. 0:47:36.760 --> 0:47:38.480 He's the one who handed it back to her, and 0:47:38.520 --> 0:47:41.279 he goes exactly, and that's the DNA and Rollin goes, well, 0:47:41.360 --> 0:47:44.240 that doesn't explain the semen now, does it, you fucking idiot. 0:47:44.600 --> 0:47:46.400 So then Careese is with the blonde guy in the 0:47:46.400 --> 0:47:49.120 center office and he's playing a game too. He's like, listen, 0:47:49.120 --> 0:47:50.040 you're not in cement room. 0:47:50.080 --> 0:47:50.440 Bars. 0:47:50.520 --> 0:47:53.000 We know you're a good guy, you know, like maybe 0:47:53.000 --> 0:47:57.600 if you tell the truth, like well, things will work out, 0:47:57.640 --> 0:48:01.160 and Carisee goes, you know, you just want It's like again, 0:48:01.320 --> 0:48:03.799 what the fuck? But he says I wasn't in the room. 0:48:03.840 --> 0:48:05.880 Creasey goes, great, so tell me who was in the 0:48:05.960 --> 0:48:08.080 room and then you could walk and the whole case 0:48:08.200 --> 0:48:11.160 is done and he's thinking. And then Barba and Benson 0:48:11.160 --> 0:48:13.279 are in the spy window and she's like, hey, can 0:48:13.320 --> 0:48:15.040 you call Cuba? And he's like, I don't have like 0:48:15.280 --> 0:48:20.160 pole in Cuba and he will be arrested when he 0:48:20.160 --> 0:48:23.320 comes on American soil, and Benson goes if he ever returns, 0:48:23.400 --> 0:48:24.120 like what the fuck? 0:48:24.600 --> 0:48:24.920 Okay? 0:48:24.920 --> 0:48:28.360 So then Careesy now walks in and then whispers something 0:48:28.360 --> 0:48:30.839 into Rollin's ear in front of the backwards hat hot 0:48:30.880 --> 0:48:33.359 guy and then they laugh, and then so haw guy 0:48:33.360 --> 0:48:36.279 gets nervous, and then Carisey goes, oh, we actually don't 0:48:36.320 --> 0:48:38.840 need you to actually talk at all, because between the 0:48:38.920 --> 0:48:42.279 DNA and your buddy's testimonies, we and like statements or 0:48:42.280 --> 0:48:44.680 whatever we got you. And so then the lawyer finally 0:48:44.760 --> 0:48:47.560 starts like whispering with Connor, and then Connor starts to talk. 0:48:47.600 --> 0:48:50.080 He's like, listen, it just seemed bad. But after she 0:48:50.200 --> 0:48:53.040 was done with Brian, she moved on to me and 0:48:53.080 --> 0:48:55.920 he snaps his fingers like that, and then the lawyer 0:48:55.960 --> 0:48:59.120 jumps in and goes, see it was consensual, and he goes, 0:48:59.160 --> 0:49:01.080 I didn't you know? The goes I didn't rape her, 0:49:01.760 --> 0:49:04.439 ask Brian. So then Rollins goes, oh, so Brian was there, 0:49:04.480 --> 0:49:06.640 and that's when it's like, you shouldn't talk, like let 0:49:06.640 --> 0:49:08.719 your lawyer talk. It must be like so hard not 0:49:08.800 --> 0:49:12.160 to talk like you just implicated Brian, like it's so 0:49:12.360 --> 0:49:14.960 you also said you didn't and now you're saying it 0:49:15.160 --> 0:49:17.560 you are, And why did the lawyer stop him? 0:49:17.560 --> 0:49:19.080 And I know it's television, but. 0:49:19.080 --> 0:49:22.360 It's like they all just they all break, but it 0:49:22.400 --> 0:49:24.480 means he saw him. So then back to Brian, and 0:49:24.520 --> 0:49:27.000 Finn's like, oh, your boy, Connor admitted that he did 0:49:27.120 --> 0:49:29.600 have sex with Heather after you and that you knew 0:49:29.600 --> 0:49:31.399 about it, and that means you lied, So what else 0:49:31.440 --> 0:49:33.719 did you lie about? And the lawyer goes shut up 0:49:33.800 --> 0:49:36.280 and Brian again another one goes, no, I want to explain. 0:49:36.480 --> 0:49:38.319 He goes, I did see Connor with her, but she 0:49:38.560 --> 0:49:40.320 was and the lawyer caught him off, and the detectors 0:49:40.320 --> 0:49:42.719 are like, let him finish, and he leans in with 0:49:42.719 --> 0:49:45.520 his dumb looking glasses and he goes for her to 0:49:45.560 --> 0:49:47.840 be acting all prim and proper. Now she wants to 0:49:47.920 --> 0:49:49.880 act like a whore on Saturday and like a virgin 0:49:49.960 --> 0:49:53.480 on Sunday. And the lawyer wants to end this conversation 0:49:53.719 --> 0:49:55.720 and Rollins is trying to get him to keep talking, 0:49:55.960 --> 0:49:57.799 and you know, like what's gonna happen? 0:49:57.840 --> 0:49:58.239 I can't wait. 0:49:58.280 --> 0:50:00.560 So now it's like all hands on deck. It's full meeting. 0:50:00.600 --> 0:50:03.839 They don't really have anything. None of them signed waivers, 0:50:03.880 --> 0:50:06.359 like none of them did anything. Barbara doesn't care, though, 0:50:06.400 --> 0:50:07.800 and he's like, I don't care. Let's just try to 0:50:07.880 --> 0:50:10.680 arrang them. You know, the deeper they get in the system, 0:50:10.680 --> 0:50:13.000 the harder will be to pull them out. And Benson goes, well, 0:50:13.040 --> 0:50:17.360 let's just wait a half hour because Connor's hot and smug, 0:50:17.440 --> 0:50:19.560 so let's get him on the eleven PM news. So 0:50:20.080 --> 0:50:23.040 they do a whole handcuff purp walk like media circus. 0:50:23.080 --> 0:50:25.920 There's already posters, like how do people already make posters? 0:50:26.080 --> 0:50:31.000 Like they're just getting arranged, like they're not even at Rikers. 0:50:30.719 --> 0:50:34.359 And Sbu are ready with glustics and paint markers and 0:50:34.400 --> 0:50:35.160 they're ready to go. 0:50:36.200 --> 0:50:39.440 It's so crazy. People are screaming, snapping. They close the 0:50:39.480 --> 0:50:43.759 door on an arresting Van Skip Peterson. He is the 0:50:43.840 --> 0:50:46.520 American crime host. He's on AM Buzz. 0:50:47.040 --> 0:50:47.400 I don't know. 0:50:47.440 --> 0:50:50.200 This reminds me of like the VH one programming and 0:50:50.280 --> 0:50:55.959 the School Morning Big Morning Buzz with Michelle Butte. Yeah, 0:50:56.160 --> 0:50:56.719 you know it. 0:50:57.120 --> 0:51:01.040 The school has suspended the rapists, so that's COOLPD like, yeah, 0:51:01.120 --> 0:51:03.080 arrested arranged their photos are on TV. 0:51:03.320 --> 0:51:03.760 Woo. 0:51:04.480 --> 0:51:05.640 Heather's also made. 0:51:05.440 --> 0:51:08.279 Some statements on television and how they dehumanized her and 0:51:08.320 --> 0:51:11.920 called her a vat and the team is watching, like 0:51:12.000 --> 0:51:13.960 our team, not the hockey team, is watching on the 0:51:13.960 --> 0:51:17.880 precinct television and carise He goes, wait, wait did she 0:51:17.960 --> 0:51:20.160 just say six men raped her? She told us four, 0:51:20.560 --> 0:51:22.799 and Finn goes, maybe she's counting the men in the hall, 0:51:22.880 --> 0:51:24.040 and Chrisey goes, I don't know. 0:51:24.120 --> 0:51:26.960 Something's off, and it's like, Crease, shut up and go 0:51:27.080 --> 0:51:27.839 brush your hair. 0:51:28.520 --> 0:51:31.120 We also hear that the TV, like the guy on 0:51:31.160 --> 0:51:33.239 the television say that the hockey sticks came back with 0:51:33.280 --> 0:51:36.680 a positive DNA match, So what's going on? And then 0:51:36.719 --> 0:51:39.040 Benson and Barba are watching this in the office and 0:51:39.040 --> 0:51:40.920 He's like, wait, wasn't there nothing on the sticks? 0:51:40.960 --> 0:51:41.680 What's happening? 0:51:42.040 --> 0:51:45.520 It's really confusing, it's not reliable, like what like this 0:51:45.600 --> 0:51:48.120 isn't good, And she's doing all these media rounds which 0:51:48.120 --> 0:51:50.400 makes no sense, and Benson goes, well, you know, it 0:51:50.440 --> 0:51:51.680 does kind of make sense one time. 0:51:51.719 --> 0:51:54.080 Once you tell your story, it's empowering. 0:51:54.520 --> 0:51:57.880 So she feels empowered and it's like so empowered that 0:51:57.880 --> 0:52:00.239 two more vics just came to light, and Benson goes, you, no, 0:52:00.680 --> 0:52:03.839 victims have issues with memory and details and like things 0:52:03.840 --> 0:52:04.720 come back in pieces. 0:52:05.120 --> 0:52:06.279 But she's gonna go talk to her. 0:52:06.320 --> 0:52:08.200 So they meet up in the office and Rollins leans 0:52:08.239 --> 0:52:11.560 behind Benson as like the professor and Heather are on 0:52:11.560 --> 0:52:14.400 the leather couch and Benson's like, hey, babe, all these 0:52:14.440 --> 0:52:16.200 stories are really different. It's going to hurt you in 0:52:16.239 --> 0:52:18.840 the end. And the professor goes, whatever, people need to 0:52:18.880 --> 0:52:20.640 know what these boys did to her, and Roland goes, no, 0:52:20.840 --> 0:52:23.080 we understand that, but the like it needs to be 0:52:23.200 --> 0:52:25.839 clear who and what and all of that, and Heather 0:52:25.920 --> 0:52:28.279 and the professor get defensive and annoyed immediately and like 0:52:28.320 --> 0:52:29.799 this is why we didn't want to come forward in. 0:52:29.760 --> 0:52:30.440 The first place. 0:52:30.840 --> 0:52:33.319 And Benson goes, well, you said six, so if there 0:52:33.360 --> 0:52:35.319 are more, like we need to know who they are. 0:52:35.880 --> 0:52:37.799 And she's like, well, there's this guy Zach because they 0:52:37.840 --> 0:52:40.200 kept calling him Stinky his nickname, and he's like, no, 0:52:40.280 --> 0:52:43.640 call me Zach, like I remember him there and but 0:52:43.719 --> 0:52:47.000 like you know, the Cuba stuff. And Professor's like, okay, 0:52:47.000 --> 0:52:49.160 why don't we pick apart their stories not hers? And 0:52:49.200 --> 0:52:51.399 Benson goes for sure, but we need you to stop 0:52:51.440 --> 0:52:54.120 going to the press, and she goes, ooh, I don't 0:52:54.160 --> 0:52:55.279 know if I can do that because I'm going on 0:52:55.360 --> 0:52:58.680 Anderson Cooper and Rachel Mattout tonight. So then Benson goes, 0:52:58.880 --> 0:53:01.239 you need to cancel, and the goes, it's too late, 0:53:01.680 --> 0:53:03.879 and we're finally you know. The professor goes, We're finally 0:53:03.880 --> 0:53:06.400 getting the attention we need on these issues and the 0:53:06.440 --> 0:53:10.360 country is going to wake up, and Benson interrupts AND's like, wait, wait, wait, attention. 0:53:10.400 --> 0:53:12.600 I thought your goal was to bring her assailants to justice, 0:53:12.800 --> 0:53:14.480 and she goes, I do, but this is so much 0:53:14.520 --> 0:53:16.760 bigger than that. Now I'm the face of a movement 0:53:17.080 --> 0:53:20.240 dramatic music. They go to the Center precinct and Finn 0:53:20.280 --> 0:53:22.279 is like, so, what's up, and Rollin says she said 0:53:22.280 --> 0:53:24.200 that she wants to get her story out there, and 0:53:24.280 --> 0:53:29.480 Careesy chimes in which one he's pissed, he's pissed, and 0:53:29.520 --> 0:53:31.680 she's like, she's gonna go torpedo this whole fucking case. 0:53:32.120 --> 0:53:34.400 And Finn says, Zach is back and he's about to 0:53:34.440 --> 0:53:38.280 be on LMZ. So buchanans iss lawyer, that's not good news, 0:53:38.680 --> 0:53:41.000 and then like, let's see what this evidence he has 0:53:41.040 --> 0:53:44.640 to prove that he's innocent. On LMZ so, on December twelfth, 0:53:44.640 --> 0:53:47.760 the assault day, he was nine hours away in West Vista, 0:53:47.960 --> 0:53:51.680 in West Virginia, on the soccer field in a championship game. So, 0:53:51.680 --> 0:53:55.000 I guess one guy plays soccer. They're in a frack 0:53:55.120 --> 0:53:57.319 and they all play different shit. I guess, I don't know, 0:53:58.320 --> 0:54:01.040 am I schooled. The hockey guys were all in one frat, 0:54:01.320 --> 0:54:03.080 but then in some other frauds there were guys that 0:54:03.120 --> 0:54:06.240 didn't bloy sports and you know. Yeah, So he played 0:54:06.239 --> 0:54:10.600 soccer championship game and Hudson won three zero, and Barba 0:54:10.640 --> 0:54:12.680 is watching, calling Benson and he's mad as fuck, like 0:54:12.760 --> 0:54:14.600 why didn't you have this? And she's like, they said 0:54:14.600 --> 0:54:17.000 he was in cube, I didn't have the information. And Barbara, 0:54:17.680 --> 0:54:20.879 you know, pours some pills out. He's stressed and more 0:54:20.920 --> 0:54:23.239 even more dramatic loud music. What are they gonna do? 0:54:23.360 --> 0:54:25.360 So they play the video for Heather and the professor 0:54:25.360 --> 0:54:28.000 and the full squad and Barbara everyone's there, and she's like, 0:54:28.040 --> 0:54:30.000 I could have sworn he was there. Mom goes, yeah, 0:54:30.040 --> 0:54:32.560 you said you heard him respond and that they said 0:54:32.600 --> 0:54:36.439 stinky and like what the fuck? And the professor keeps 0:54:36.520 --> 0:54:38.560 like trying to talk and they're like, shut up, we 0:54:38.600 --> 0:54:40.920 need Heather to talk, and she says I'm her advocate, 0:54:40.960 --> 0:54:43.080 and they're like, we need to know exactly what happened, 0:54:43.080 --> 0:54:44.840 and we need to know exactly what was told to you. 0:54:45.480 --> 0:54:47.920 And she said we told everything to Skip Peterson and 0:54:47.960 --> 0:54:49.960 Barba goes, yeah, great, we're talking to him now too, 0:54:50.040 --> 0:54:53.040 don't worry, and Skip is annoyed as fuck because what 0:54:53.320 --> 0:54:56.640 else did skip? Skip is trending? The case is collapsing. 0:54:56.960 --> 0:54:59.640 What are we gonna do? That's such a long hashtag too? 0:55:00.480 --> 0:55:04.880 Like remember when wedding hashtags like nothing was more important. 0:55:04.719 --> 0:55:07.400 Truly, it was so like we go, you gotta find 0:55:07.440 --> 0:55:10.800 a something that's like a pun on your name's. 0:55:11.920 --> 0:55:14.120 And now no one have. 0:55:14.080 --> 0:55:16.279 A phone, not only you, no one cares. Now it's 0:55:16.280 --> 0:55:20.279 like do not have phones. We have like cameras for you. 0:55:20.360 --> 0:55:22.640 There will be a like like do not post anything. 0:55:22.920 --> 0:55:25.520 I mean we had one because I wanted to see 0:55:25.520 --> 0:55:28.000 people's pictures of it. So like if you just click 0:55:28.040 --> 0:55:30.400 on the hashtag, I could see all the pictures. But 0:55:30.440 --> 0:55:33.479 we hijacked it from a high school couple. I didn't 0:55:33.520 --> 0:55:35.799 realize until we went on and I was like, Oh, 0:55:35.800 --> 0:55:37.480 all the pictures before our wedding are like this cute 0:55:37.520 --> 0:55:39.319 high school couple being like prom. 0:55:40.840 --> 0:55:44.200 Oh, gosh, yeah, I am going to a wedding this year. 0:55:44.200 --> 0:55:46.279 I'm excited. So what are we gonna do? What are 0:55:46.280 --> 0:55:46.719 we gonna do? 0:55:47.400 --> 0:55:50.160 Like give us something to corroborate her story, he like, 0:55:51.120 --> 0:55:54.520 or prove something like there needs to be something. And 0:55:54.719 --> 0:55:57.680 he talked to the professor first, and then Heather is 0:55:57.719 --> 0:56:00.719 what we find out from Skip. So it's like, wait, 0:56:00.800 --> 0:56:03.000 the professor, like why wouldn't it be Heather. So then 0:56:03.080 --> 0:56:06.239 the detectives kind of realize what's going on. So they're 0:56:06.239 --> 0:56:08.520 also mad at him for not interviewing the men, and 0:56:08.560 --> 0:56:11.000 he's like, Heather was terrified of them, like she wouldn't 0:56:11.040 --> 0:56:14.120 have wanted that. He found Heather credible, and he has 0:56:14.160 --> 0:56:16.720 a daughter, you know her age, and he was proud 0:56:16.719 --> 0:56:19.719 to start the dialogue of campus rape, and Creasey goes, well, 0:56:19.760 --> 0:56:22.239 we wish you picked a true story, Like it's his 0:56:22.400 --> 0:56:23.160 fucking fault. 0:56:23.840 --> 0:56:27.840 Crisey. Just I hate you right right now, just for 0:56:27.920 --> 0:56:30.080 this episode. And I'm team. 0:56:30.000 --> 0:56:33.360 Skip, Like I don't think Skip did anything wrong, do 0:56:33.440 --> 0:56:41.520 you Skip was just stink. Yeah, I feel like Skip, like, yeah, 0:56:41.560 --> 0:56:44.120 these two people come tell him the story he wanted it, 0:56:44.200 --> 0:56:48.160 like I don't feel maybe there should have been more journalism. 0:56:47.680 --> 0:56:52.040 But well you'll see when I talk about the real story. Okay, 0:56:52.960 --> 0:56:55.480 So he has to go tape a retraction. So now 0:56:55.560 --> 0:56:57.640 we're back to Heather. She's retelling her stories. She went 0:56:57.680 --> 0:56:59.640 on a date with Brian. They made their way back 0:56:59.680 --> 0:57:02.000 to the She thought he liked her, but it went wrong. 0:57:02.080 --> 0:57:02.800 It was horrible. 0:57:03.200 --> 0:57:07.520 Barbara goes, stop with feelings and horrible and descriptors like facts, facts, facts. 0:57:07.520 --> 0:57:08.600 So they're practicing for court. 0:57:08.960 --> 0:57:11.040 She said the room was dark but empty at first, 0:57:11.200 --> 0:57:13.040 and so those other men were not waiting for her, 0:57:13.160 --> 0:57:15.319 so like I thought you said everyone was waiting And 0:57:15.360 --> 0:57:17.960 she's like, no, Connor came in later, but I don't 0:57:17.960 --> 0:57:20.560 even know about the other boys. It was dark, drunk, confused, 0:57:20.600 --> 0:57:23.840 Barbara Goo's confused about what and she swallows. And now 0:57:23.880 --> 0:57:26.120 it's back to the professor with Rollins, and she goes 0:57:26.600 --> 0:57:28.800 she could barely talk when she came to me, and 0:57:28.880 --> 0:57:31.560 Rollin's like, well, what exactly did she say? And she 0:57:31.600 --> 0:57:33.800 said that she was assaulted, and Rollins goes okay, But 0:57:33.880 --> 0:57:36.640 did she mention the gang rape? And she says no, 0:57:37.120 --> 0:57:39.479 but you can tell that she has gone through hell. 0:57:40.000 --> 0:57:42.720 And then it's back to Heather, and the professor told 0:57:42.760 --> 0:57:45.160 her it would take a while to process everything, and 0:57:45.200 --> 0:57:47.360 Barbara just asked, did he rape you? And she said, 0:57:47.400 --> 0:57:49.400 I was drunk and he started to have sex with me, 0:57:49.680 --> 0:57:51.760 and he moved really fast, and I did go along 0:57:51.760 --> 0:57:53.400 with it at the start, but I'm not sure if 0:57:53.400 --> 0:57:54.400 it was consensual or not. 0:57:54.920 --> 0:57:55.760 Then I passed out. 0:57:55.880 --> 0:57:57.720 When I woke up, Connor was on top of me, 0:57:57.920 --> 0:58:00.919 raping me, and I did not want that. So now 0:58:01.000 --> 0:58:04.400 Brian then came back into the room and the rest 0:58:04.520 --> 0:58:07.360 is a blur. Then the harassing with everybody else started. 0:58:07.760 --> 0:58:09.520 And the professor is the one that said that they 0:58:09.560 --> 0:58:11.320 probably all took a piece of her. 0:58:11.840 --> 0:58:13.200 So the professor told her that. 0:58:13.280 --> 0:58:15.680 So then Barbara says, give me a second, goes into 0:58:15.760 --> 0:58:18.959 Rollins and Professor's the boardroom and goes, what the fuck 0:58:19.040 --> 0:58:21.120 did you tell Heather? And she goes, I told her 0:58:21.160 --> 0:58:24.200 what she already knew. It was barbaric. They taunted her 0:58:24.240 --> 0:58:26.880 and assaulted her. Did she tell you she was raped? 0:58:26.920 --> 0:58:29.120 And by how many men? Rollins asked, and the woman goes, 0:58:29.160 --> 0:58:32.960 what difference does that make? And they have to go 0:58:33.080 --> 0:58:36.360 A huge difference girl, and Barba says, all of this matter, 0:58:36.520 --> 0:58:39.880 specifics matter. She goes, it didn't matter what happened to her. 0:58:39.960 --> 0:58:43.520 What matters is it happens every day. These frap boys 0:58:43.560 --> 0:58:46.360 walk around like their bulletproof. It's bigger than any of us, 0:58:46.480 --> 0:58:49.560 and it's we need to eliminate rape culture once and 0:58:49.600 --> 0:58:50.080 for all. 0:58:51.400 --> 0:58:52.960 Louder dramatic music roars. 0:58:52.960 --> 0:58:56.640 Were watching Skip on TV, Finn, Benson, Rollins, increase you're watching. 0:58:56.720 --> 0:58:57.919 He says, I believed Heather. 0:58:58.200 --> 0:59:01.800 That was a mistake and sucks and they start debating 0:59:01.840 --> 0:59:03.640 and Finn goes like, she lied to us. 0:59:03.640 --> 0:59:07.080 She fucking lied to us. And Heather standing behind them listening. 0:59:06.680 --> 0:59:09.120 To all of it, so they shush Finn and Rollins 0:59:09.160 --> 0:59:11.120 goes up to her and she's like, Rollins is being 0:59:11.120 --> 0:59:13.280 extra nice. They're on the couch now with Benson, and 0:59:13.320 --> 0:59:16.120 she's like, once the story was out for everybody and 0:59:16.160 --> 0:59:17.800 all the support, I couldn't take it back. 0:59:17.840 --> 0:59:18.560 People needed me. 0:59:18.680 --> 0:59:21.120 And Benson's like, well, not if it's a lie, and 0:59:21.160 --> 0:59:23.720 she goes, no, what Brian did was wrong, Like you know, 0:59:23.760 --> 0:59:27.080 we were drunk and Dylan, and Professor Dlon said that 0:59:27.160 --> 0:59:29.440 we like I was not able to consent because of 0:59:29.480 --> 0:59:30.440 how fucked up I was. 0:59:30.880 --> 0:59:33.080 And then Brian left. She was passed out naked. 0:59:33.120 --> 0:59:36.640 Connor did rape her hard and violent, and Benson looks 0:59:36.760 --> 0:59:40.000 very conflicted and upset, and Brian came in. He saw everything. 0:59:40.400 --> 0:59:42.600 And Heather says, but like, why won't Brian turn on 0:59:42.640 --> 0:59:47.000 Connor like fuck off? Because of hockey? Yeah, so Heather says, 0:59:47.040 --> 0:59:50.040 he turned around and walked away. So Benson says, I 0:59:50.080 --> 0:59:51.680 believe you had there, but a jury is gonna have 0:59:51.720 --> 0:59:54.040 a lot of doubts with this story. And Heather goes, well, fuck, 0:59:54.120 --> 0:59:55.400 like I have to go to school every day and 0:59:55.400 --> 0:59:58.040 see my rapist, and Benson goes, I'm sorry. I wish 0:59:58.040 --> 0:59:59.640 there was something I can do to change that, but 0:59:59.680 --> 1:00:02.919 there's nothing at this point. So we're at Motions Court 1:00:03.040 --> 1:00:07.040 March nineteenth, Buchanan full dismissal. And it's like looking at 1:00:07.040 --> 1:00:10.040 all these frap boys and suits is so scary. It's true, 1:00:10.120 --> 1:00:11.960 like a flock of men should just be called a 1:00:12.000 --> 1:00:14.920 gang grape, you know, like little animals have names, Like 1:00:15.080 --> 1:00:19.800 the collective noun is gang grape. Well, I usually say 1:00:19.840 --> 1:00:23.000 barrel guys. But that's like a very specific restor to 1:00:23.440 --> 1:00:26.640 season five of Dexter. You know, not everyone knows that. Yes, 1:00:27.400 --> 1:00:32.160 so the blonde guy from the earlier episode meant menacing 1:00:32.240 --> 1:00:35.240 Grin and then Connor. Yeah, he's hot and evil. He's 1:00:35.280 --> 1:00:39.000 gonna rape for years to come. And the judge frees 1:00:39.040 --> 1:00:43.120 them all. They all hug and he smiles at Barba, 1:00:43.160 --> 1:00:46.600 and Barba's stone cold. He's so fucking pissed. He doesn't 1:00:46.600 --> 1:00:50.560 want to let rapists go free. So now back to Ambuzz. 1:00:50.560 --> 1:00:54.160 They're interviewing a girl that in IMDb is goth girl 1:00:54.280 --> 1:00:57.600 and her makeup is a problem, and she says, I 1:00:57.680 --> 1:00:59.800 believe this season it's like they fired all the hair 1:00:59.800 --> 1:01:02.000 and up and got new people or something like that, 1:01:02.080 --> 1:01:05.880 like what happened this episode. She says, I believed Heather. 1:01:06.000 --> 1:01:09.440 I believe Heather. Something terrible happened to her. Rape culture 1:01:09.520 --> 1:01:12.080 sucks and nobody is safe. The students are going to 1:01:12.120 --> 1:01:14.520 file a law suit against the university and the NYPD. 1:01:14.680 --> 1:01:17.160 Of course, this is hard and it sucks. So Benson 1:01:18.440 --> 1:01:21.560 is up to Hudson. You she has apologized to the president, 1:01:21.600 --> 1:01:25.320 which sucks, but they have a good conversation. They say 1:01:25.360 --> 1:01:28.040 like we were both used and played and we both 1:01:28.040 --> 1:01:31.160 had our blinders on. Benson goes, listen, it was all 1:01:31.160 --> 1:01:33.800 a perfect story, and you know, it proved all my 1:01:34.000 --> 1:01:37.479 preconceived notions. And then the president has regrets as well 1:01:37.520 --> 1:01:39.280 and is like, well, if I had just listened to 1:01:39.320 --> 1:01:42.120 her instead of badgering her with questions, like, maybe she 1:01:42.120 --> 1:01:44.920 would have come forward and that's a good start, like 1:01:45.040 --> 1:01:45.800 why come up? 1:01:45.880 --> 1:01:47.640 Like why not be supportive? 1:01:47.720 --> 1:01:51.479 Then question it's like questioning immediately why would someone feel 1:01:51.520 --> 1:01:54.400 safe to open up when you're questioning everything? So then 1:01:54.440 --> 1:01:59.640 maybe uh yeah, And Benson has the same sentiment like 1:01:59.640 --> 1:02:01.720 maybe she would have told you the truth and that 1:02:01.800 --> 1:02:04.280 con and you know, she goes, Connor did rape her. 1:02:04.320 --> 1:02:07.560 And you do have a predator on campus who's pretty emboldened. 1:02:07.800 --> 1:02:09.320 And the press goes, he wants me that you want 1:02:09.360 --> 1:02:12.520 me to discipline him since you can't prosecute him. Benson goes, 1:02:12.520 --> 1:02:14.400 I'm just asking you to do what you can, like 1:02:15.240 --> 1:02:16.400 you know, she keep. 1:02:16.280 --> 1:02:19.080 An eye out. He doesn't seem like a good guy, right, 1:02:19.400 --> 1:02:19.680 And she. 1:02:19.640 --> 1:02:21.880 Goes, I could have done a lot more last week, honestly, 1:02:21.920 --> 1:02:23.720 And she says, we had an incident last night, and 1:02:23.760 --> 1:02:26.680 the response was she's lying, just like Heather Manning, And 1:02:26.720 --> 1:02:31.360 she says, I don't blame Heather, you know, like fuck Dylan, 1:02:31.400 --> 1:02:36.000 it's the it's the fucking the rape advocate and Skip. 1:02:36.240 --> 1:02:38.200 You know, they all pushed her to come forward to 1:02:38.280 --> 1:02:42.200 like change rape culture, but it's set rape culture back 1:02:42.280 --> 1:02:43.400 thirty years. 1:02:43.320 --> 1:02:48.320 Benson says, And that's dick wolf Baby. Oh boy, damn. 1:02:48.840 --> 1:02:53.240 It is crazy. It's a wild episode that ends so badly, 1:02:53.560 --> 1:02:56.120 like there is kind of no justice at. 1:02:55.960 --> 1:02:56.560 The end, right. 1:02:56.600 --> 1:02:58.680 I mean, there's like maybe a dean that's gonna help 1:02:58.720 --> 1:03:00.760 a little bit change her way a little bit, but 1:03:00.800 --> 1:03:01.200 that's it. 1:03:01.760 --> 1:03:04.120 And now I'm looking at your crime notes right now, 1:03:04.160 --> 1:03:07.320 and it's like I remember all this, and people that 1:03:07.400 --> 1:03:12.080 don't believe rape love to focus on these rolling stats pieces. 1:03:12.160 --> 1:03:13.760 It is like it is like. 1:03:13.680 --> 1:03:18.080 This one thing they continuously love to bring up. 1:03:25.520 --> 1:03:30.080 So first I'm going to talk about this. 1:03:31.520 --> 1:03:34.120 Case that happened in two thousand and seven, which was 1:03:34.160 --> 1:03:38.560 the Deonza rape case. This incident took place at DeAnza 1:03:38.640 --> 1:03:42.040 College in Cooper, Tino, California, a place you might remember 1:03:42.160 --> 1:03:45.480 as where your iPhone automatically sets its time to. And 1:03:47.120 --> 1:03:50.120 this happened on March fourth, two thousand and seven, three 1:03:50.200 --> 1:03:53.800 women from the Dayanza College women's soccer team were at 1:03:53.800 --> 1:03:56.280 a party off campus at the home of a baseball player. 1:03:56.760 --> 1:03:59.760 This is kind of I feel like where the sports 1:03:59.800 --> 1:04:01.720 of it all comes in that these guys were all 1:04:01.760 --> 1:04:05.800 on the baseball team and they reported these and with sports, 1:04:05.840 --> 1:04:07.640 like if you're good enough to play at colleges, like 1:04:07.640 --> 1:04:09.440 I don't know how good this college is or whatnot, 1:04:09.520 --> 1:04:14.520 Like you've been being treated special this whole time. Mm hmmm, 1:04:15.240 --> 1:04:17.560 you know you're great like they want, like if you're 1:04:17.600 --> 1:04:20.200 good at sports, you get a lot of fucking leeway. 1:04:20.720 --> 1:04:23.000 Yeah. True. 1:04:23.320 --> 1:04:26.800 I will say, like at my school when if you 1:04:26.800 --> 1:04:29.920 go to D three, you don't really cause like if 1:04:29.920 --> 1:04:31.480 you're not getting any you know, like you got to 1:04:31.520 --> 1:04:33.040 keep your grades up or you're gonna get kicked out, 1:04:33.120 --> 1:04:33.280 you know. 1:04:33.680 --> 1:04:36.600 But like wait, you mean for college for college, sure, 1:04:36.640 --> 1:04:38.800 but I mean the attitude like even in high school, 1:04:38.880 --> 1:04:40.880 Like sure, even if you're playing D three, you were 1:04:40.880 --> 1:04:41.640 good at you were. 1:04:41.560 --> 1:04:43.400 Really good and you've probably gotten away with a lot. 1:04:43.400 --> 1:04:45.840 I'm just saying, like the guys that are like D one, 1:04:46.120 --> 1:04:48.680 that are like the face of the school, that like 1:04:49.040 --> 1:04:52.800 bring money into the school like that they imagine them, 1:04:52.840 --> 1:04:56.400 you know. But this, so this took place at day Alan's. 1:04:56.520 --> 1:04:58.000 These three women from the soccer team are at this 1:04:58.040 --> 1:05:00.440 party at a bait at the baseball house, right, and 1:05:00.520 --> 1:05:03.800 they report seeing a drunk seventeen year old girl, a 1:05:03.960 --> 1:05:07.880 high school student, being sexually assaulted by two or more men, 1:05:08.040 --> 1:05:11.120 surrounded by other men who were watching and cheering it on. 1:05:11.760 --> 1:05:14.160 And the guys like told them to go away, blocked 1:05:14.240 --> 1:05:15.919 the door, but they eventually got in. 1:05:16.280 --> 1:05:17.280 They got the girl out of there. 1:05:17.360 --> 1:05:19.560 They took her to the hospital and she was covered 1:05:19.560 --> 1:05:21.120 in someone else's vomit. 1:05:21.560 --> 1:05:23.400 So that's harrowing. 1:05:23.960 --> 1:05:26.440 The soccer players reported the incident to the Santa Clara 1:05:26.520 --> 1:05:30.640 Sheriff's Office, who launched an investigation, and the victim accused 1:05:30.800 --> 1:05:33.920 nine players on the day on Za baseball team of 1:05:33.960 --> 1:05:37.480 assaulting her. But she says she doesn't remember anything, and 1:05:37.560 --> 1:05:40.360 even when she was later shown photos of her attackers, 1:05:40.520 --> 1:05:43.560 she doesn't recognize them, Like nothing jogs her memory. 1:05:44.280 --> 1:05:46.960 And it's like we know about the Giselle Pellico case, 1:05:47.040 --> 1:05:49.480 so like we're not and we've been doing this podcast 1:05:49.520 --> 1:05:53.040 a while, but it's like that not one guy is 1:05:53.200 --> 1:05:58.400 like swaye, this doesn't seem right. Yee, dude is like wait, guys, 1:05:58.440 --> 1:06:00.880 like are we puking on her? Like this doesn't look good, 1:06:00.920 --> 1:06:03.880 Like I don't know, like that not one. It's like 1:06:04.080 --> 1:06:05.160 so crazy. 1:06:05.960 --> 1:06:10.120 Yeah, it's like the mob mentality shit, that's like really 1:06:11.560 --> 1:06:15.160 And she went to the party planning to drink, you know, 1:06:16.560 --> 1:06:20.480 and she remembers drinking a few beers, having some vodka shots, 1:06:20.520 --> 1:06:24.080 and then like the last thing she remembers is sitting 1:06:24.120 --> 1:06:26.120 down in the living room of the party, and that's 1:06:26.120 --> 1:06:27.880 her last memory before she woke. 1:06:27.760 --> 1:06:28.600 Up in the hospital. 1:06:29.040 --> 1:06:32.680 Now, the guys say it was consensual, that she wasn't 1:06:32.680 --> 1:06:35.120 as drunk as she says she was, and she like 1:06:35.200 --> 1:06:37.240 went into the back room and demanded sex and was 1:06:37.280 --> 1:06:39.840 like giving lap dances and like making them was like, 1:06:40.240 --> 1:06:44.520 have sex with me. Now, the investigation yielded basically nothing, 1:06:44.680 --> 1:06:47.440 no arrests, even after another woman came forward to say 1:06:47.520 --> 1:06:50.560 she'd been assaulted by baseball players from Danza. 1:06:50.600 --> 1:06:53.040 Also. But also, and I do a bit about this. 1:06:53.440 --> 1:06:55.919 I don't I think it's in my uh Netflix, it's 1:06:55.920 --> 1:06:58.160 in something, but it is this thing of like if 1:06:58.200 --> 1:07:00.440 men are so scared of false acus. Yeah, it's in 1:07:00.480 --> 1:07:02.800 the especial if men are like so scared about false 1:07:02.840 --> 1:07:05.200 accusations and everything that can happen, and men are the 1:07:05.240 --> 1:07:07.760 victims of all this, Like, why aren't they more careful? 1:07:08.200 --> 1:07:11.280 Like if a drunk pilled out lune tune, blackout drunk 1:07:11.360 --> 1:07:13.600 girl is running going fuck me, fuck me, fuck like 1:07:13.640 --> 1:07:16.840 it's your like you should be careful, right, Why are 1:07:17.080 --> 1:07:19.560 you so? Why am Why aren't you more concerned with 1:07:19.600 --> 1:07:22.200 your future? You seem to say you care about right 1:07:22.280 --> 1:07:24.760 right right? Like why are you why is that not 1:07:24.800 --> 1:07:26.680 a red flag to you? 1:07:26.840 --> 1:07:31.520 Fucking yeah, if women are so diabolical that they're trying 1:07:31.520 --> 1:07:33.520 to ruin your lives with these charges, you better have 1:07:33.840 --> 1:07:35.360 you better have your head on a swivel at those 1:07:35.360 --> 1:07:36.000 prop parties. 1:07:36.440 --> 1:07:38.560 And I don't mean to try and I wasn't trying 1:07:38.560 --> 1:07:41.360 to like promote my special during a rape case. 1:07:41.960 --> 1:07:44.240 Nobody nobody thought that. 1:07:44.800 --> 1:07:50.480 You're like night owl streaming now No, but uh so, 1:07:51.880 --> 1:07:53.960 essentially this investigation is bullshit. 1:07:54.040 --> 1:07:55.720 There's no arrest. Another woman comes forward. 1:07:55.760 --> 1:07:58.040 The cops didn't even check the crime scene until twenty 1:07:58.040 --> 1:08:00.880 three hours after the victim was take into the hospital, 1:08:01.080 --> 1:08:04.600 so plenty of cleanup time for these guys. A few 1:08:04.600 --> 1:08:08.919 months later, District Attorney Delores Carr said she wouldn't charge 1:08:08.960 --> 1:08:11.360 anyone due to the lack of evidence, and that to 1:08:11.440 --> 1:08:14.120 reveal the details of the case that led her to 1:08:14.160 --> 1:08:17.080 this decision would have a chilling effect on other rape claims. 1:08:17.479 --> 1:08:21.320 And she said, quote she told the San Francisco Chronicle quote, 1:08:21.439 --> 1:08:23.880 the bottom line is, it's not about what we believe 1:08:23.960 --> 1:08:26.639 happened or think happened. It's about what we can prove happened. 1:08:27.360 --> 1:08:30.840 And the decision not to prosecute was wild widely questioned, 1:08:31.080 --> 1:08:35.880 people publicly protested. The da CAR invited Jerry Brown, who 1:08:35.960 --> 1:08:39.320 was the California Attorney General, to conduct an independent assessment 1:08:39.360 --> 1:08:43.080 of the evidence. He did and his offices report determined 1:08:43.120 --> 1:08:45.920 that there was evidence that a crime had occurred, but 1:08:45.960 --> 1:08:49.880 there was also insufficient evidence to identify those responsible. 1:08:50.600 --> 1:08:54.000 Like thesation, should there be a charge that's like sitting 1:08:54.040 --> 1:08:55.559 in a room while someone's getting raped. 1:08:55.920 --> 1:08:59.920 How about everyone gets charged? Miss that reccessory? I mean, yeah, 1:09:00.080 --> 1:09:02.000 at the very least, why is that not a crime? 1:09:02.040 --> 1:09:03.880 So oh so so someone got raped and all of 1:09:03.880 --> 1:09:05.360 you were in the room. That should be a sentence. 1:09:05.400 --> 1:09:07.280 Why not? Yeah? 1:09:07.360 --> 1:09:10.200 Well, the investigation noted that the physical descriptions of the 1:09:10.200 --> 1:09:14.280 attackers varied so widely and so they could not be 1:09:14.280 --> 1:09:18.240 accurately identified. The victim had no memory of the incident 1:09:18.320 --> 1:09:22.639 after her arrival at the party, so the independent report 1:09:22.640 --> 1:09:25.800 from the California Attorney General also said that everyone at 1:09:25.800 --> 1:09:28.559 the party being very drunk really hurt the accuracy and 1:09:28.600 --> 1:09:32.080 reliability of their memories. In June of twenty and nine, 1:09:32.160 --> 1:09:35.120 a twenty twenty episode about this case aired, and the 1:09:35.120 --> 1:09:39.439 three soccer players were interviewed. April GroEL, Lauren chief Elk 1:09:39.640 --> 1:09:43.400 and Lauren Brian's sorry if I'm butchering that last name, 1:09:44.240 --> 1:09:47.280 and they were basically like, if three witnesses aren't enough, 1:09:47.320 --> 1:09:50.160 Like why is rape even a crime? Like we saw it, 1:09:50.760 --> 1:09:54.000 Like maybe they got these girls separately and they all 1:09:54.080 --> 1:09:57.919 kind of identified these guys differently, but they saw it happening, 1:09:58.760 --> 1:10:04.240 and just nothing happened, like no one was punished at all. 1:10:05.520 --> 1:10:09.240 The victim filed a civil suit against her nine alleged attackers. 1:10:09.720 --> 1:10:13.679 A judge throughout the allegations against two of them. During 1:10:13.720 --> 1:10:18.479 the trial, her attorneys got dismissed allegations against two others 1:10:18.520 --> 1:10:22.840 because I don't know why, and they reached settlements with 1:10:23.000 --> 1:10:27.520 three of the most serious accusations of rape. So hopefully 1:10:27.840 --> 1:10:31.479 she got some, you know, financial compensation, even though she 1:10:31.640 --> 1:10:34.960 even said in an interview later she was like, people 1:10:35.000 --> 1:10:37.040 are like, well, at least you got some money, and 1:10:37.080 --> 1:10:38.840 she's like, yeah, but I know where the money came from, 1:10:38.880 --> 1:10:40.559 Like I know what I endured to get the money, 1:10:40.560 --> 1:10:44.479 and that's terrible. Like so, but there were two left 1:10:44.520 --> 1:10:47.840 that went to trial, and the two guys claimed that 1:10:47.920 --> 1:10:51.720 the sex was consensual, and their names were not and 1:10:51.800 --> 1:10:54.280 Chadwick their last names, and they claimed that the sex 1:10:54.320 --> 1:10:55.360 was consentual, and then. 1:10:55.240 --> 1:10:56.479 They obviously got off. 1:10:56.880 --> 1:10:59.160 There were two left who went to trial, and those 1:10:59.200 --> 1:11:03.840 two guys claimed obviously that the sex was consensual. And 1:11:04.000 --> 1:11:06.840 during the civil trial, another woman who was identified as 1:11:06.920 --> 1:11:10.439 Jane Doe two, indicated that she wanted to testify about 1:11:10.439 --> 1:11:13.320 her own rape by one of the defendants in Jane 1:11:13.320 --> 1:11:15.800 Doe's case, which took place ten weeks before the two 1:11:15.840 --> 1:11:18.799 thousand and seven party, which is clearly like a pattern 1:11:18.840 --> 1:11:22.800 of behavior. But later Jane do two settled her case, 1:11:23.800 --> 1:11:26.799 but a witness came forward placing one of the guys 1:11:26.880 --> 1:11:31.200 in the room during her rape. So but unfortunately Jane 1:11:31.200 --> 1:11:33.960 Do two's case was excluded from trial from the civil 1:11:34.000 --> 1:11:36.720 trial of Jane Doe so and the court found that 1:11:36.760 --> 1:11:39.880 there was not enough evidence and that there was no 1:11:39.920 --> 1:11:41.080 evidence that these guys had. 1:11:40.920 --> 1:11:41.719 Planned the attack. 1:11:42.200 --> 1:11:46.280 And guess who the judge was in the civil trial. 1:11:46.720 --> 1:11:50.920 Take a fucking guess. Does the judge Aaron Persky ring 1:11:50.920 --> 1:11:55.200 any dumb fuck bells? The guy who sentenced Brock Turner 1:11:55.320 --> 1:11:58.840 to five minutes in jail, So that he is the 1:11:58.960 --> 1:12:04.520 judge who presided over the civil trial in the Dianza 1:12:04.840 --> 1:12:11.120 rape case. And he he is the yeah, the first 1:12:11.160 --> 1:12:13.559 judge to ever get recalled in California in the last 1:12:13.560 --> 1:12:14.240 eighty years. 1:12:14.439 --> 1:12:15.280 That is Persky. 1:12:15.320 --> 1:12:18.479 So the guy we talked about, and what he did 1:12:18.560 --> 1:12:22.240 in the Danza trial was he allowed photos of Jane 1:12:22.240 --> 1:12:25.080 do the victim, to be take that were taken a 1:12:25.360 --> 1:12:29.519 year after the attack, to be entered into evidence as 1:12:30.080 --> 1:12:33.600 to refute the defense that she was suffering from PTSD. 1:12:33.720 --> 1:12:36.440 They showed photos of her like partying and having fun 1:12:36.840 --> 1:12:37.880 a year after the attack. 1:12:38.840 --> 1:12:42.320 And it's weird because it's like they care so much 1:12:42.360 --> 1:12:45.920 about men's futures and act like rape doesn't affect you know, 1:12:45.920 --> 1:12:49.519 those effects don't matter. But yet if you're not sad 1:12:49.600 --> 1:12:53.360 after the rape, I guess, but it was consensual, so 1:12:53.360 --> 1:12:55.559 why would she have pts? I can't even believe, Like, 1:12:55.720 --> 1:12:59.120 why would those even be let in? And basically the 1:12:59.120 --> 1:13:01.640 guy Zampenski or P Persky, p E. 1:13:01.840 --> 1:13:05.880 R Sky, Aaron Persky, And when he was getting all 1:13:05.880 --> 1:13:11.240 of his shit for the Stanford trial, her lawyers were like, oh, 1:13:11.280 --> 1:13:13.160 and by the way, he was really fucked up in 1:13:13.160 --> 1:13:16.240 the Dayanza case as well, letting in these photos and 1:13:16.240 --> 1:13:19.320 doing other stuff that fucked up their case and undermined 1:13:19.360 --> 1:13:22.680 the victim's case. So, of course, on April seventh of 1:13:22.680 --> 1:13:25.280 twenty eleven, the jury in the civil case found the 1:13:25.320 --> 1:13:27.880 two guys not liable for the allegations against them, so 1:13:27.920 --> 1:13:29.160 no damages were awarded. 1:13:29.240 --> 1:13:31.960 So nobody pays. 1:13:32.040 --> 1:13:35.160 I mean, I guess there were three of them had 1:13:35.200 --> 1:13:38.679 to pay out of court settlements, but no actual legal 1:13:39.960 --> 1:13:43.800 ramifications came to any of these guys. So that's a 1:13:43.920 --> 1:13:46.800 nightmare thing that happens in two thousand and seven. And 1:13:47.120 --> 1:13:48.800 I love god. I googled the guy and I love 1:13:48.840 --> 1:13:54.640 when it says former judge. Yes, yeah, former judge, motherfucker. 1:13:54.880 --> 1:13:57.600 I want to write him a letter. We got to 1:13:57.600 --> 1:14:00.720 get his address. I'm going to get his address. We'll 1:14:00.800 --> 1:14:07.280 keep you guys posted. So obviously this case, this case 1:14:07.320 --> 1:14:09.479 is pretty well known Daon's I guess I hadn't heard 1:14:09.479 --> 1:14:12.040 of it, but it was at this point in time, 1:14:12.400 --> 1:14:15.240 like there are movies about gang rapes. There is like 1:14:15.400 --> 1:14:18.040 all kinds of college stuff that's happened. This show has 1:14:18.040 --> 1:14:21.639 done many episodes about things like this. And then obviously 1:14:21.680 --> 1:14:25.400 this episode is based on this famous Rolling Stone article. 1:14:25.560 --> 1:14:28.200 And what Lisa mentioned earlier was that it's interesting that 1:14:28.560 --> 1:14:31.400 porn Star's Requiem, which is episode five of this season, 1:14:32.000 --> 1:14:34.960 also stemmed from a Rolling Stone article about like a 1:14:35.000 --> 1:14:40.760 porn star going to duke. So it's just it's interesting 1:14:40.840 --> 1:14:44.400 that in the same season two big episodes, like two 1:14:44.400 --> 1:14:45.719 episodes are from. 1:14:45.640 --> 1:14:48.000 Rolling Stone articles basically based on them. 1:14:48.040 --> 1:14:52.880 But there is this massive article that comes out in November, 1:14:53.360 --> 1:14:56.320 November nineteenth of twenty fourteen that's called a Rape on 1:14:56.400 --> 1:15:01.960 Campus and it's written by Sabrina Early and it's about 1:15:02.040 --> 1:15:04.839 an alleged gang rape of a student who's called Jackie 1:15:04.840 --> 1:15:07.280 in the article, who was a student at UVA. 1:15:07.720 --> 1:15:09.080 And that's a pseudonym, of course. 1:15:09.280 --> 1:15:13.559 And what you were just pointing out before is that 1:15:14.400 --> 1:15:20.200 there earlier in this season there it was the episode 1:15:20.400 --> 1:15:24.840 porn Star's Requiem, same kind of deal because it's the 1:15:24.880 --> 1:15:28.080 same dean. We were talking about, the same mean dean lady, 1:15:28.600 --> 1:15:33.320 and it's the same it's episode five. And basically earlier 1:15:33.360 --> 1:15:37.559 that year, Belle Knox, the porn star who came forward, 1:15:38.200 --> 1:15:42.720 you know, about being assaulted. She gave her story to 1:15:44.160 --> 1:15:46.759 Rolling Stone, and I can only assume that Rolling Stone 1:15:46.840 --> 1:15:49.679 was kind of like, Yeah, it's our job to sort 1:15:49.720 --> 1:15:52.639 of take on this kind of investigative reporting and try 1:15:52.640 --> 1:15:55.599 to like end rape culture, try to you know, call 1:15:55.640 --> 1:15:58.080 it out at least, and that's why this kind of 1:15:58.120 --> 1:16:02.920 story got greenlit. Right, So, but a lot of problems 1:16:02.960 --> 1:16:05.799 with this, A lot of problems with this story. 1:16:05.840 --> 1:16:08.559 Okay, So similar to the Danza case. 1:16:09.080 --> 1:16:12.000 She was at a party Jackie in twenty twelve, and 1:16:12.040 --> 1:16:14.599 this time it was at a frat house Phi Kapa PSI, 1:16:15.120 --> 1:16:17.800 and she said her date, a guy named Drew, not 1:16:17.840 --> 1:16:21.800 a real name, led her to a bedroom where at 1:16:21.840 --> 1:16:24.880 her at the frat, where she was gang raped for 1:16:24.920 --> 1:16:28.519 three hours by several members of his fraternity. 1:16:28.000 --> 1:16:29.879 As part of their initiation ritual. 1:16:30.360 --> 1:16:33.479 She said seven guys sexually assaulted her while her date 1:16:33.640 --> 1:16:37.760 and another guy shouted instructions and they dehumanized her by 1:16:37.760 --> 1:16:40.760 calling her it like grab its leg and stuff like that. 1:16:41.560 --> 1:16:44.760 So that's where the episode got this kind of that 1:16:44.840 --> 1:16:46.240 whole language. 1:16:46.680 --> 1:16:48.439 And the final guy. 1:16:48.520 --> 1:16:50.880 In the article, she says that the final guy who 1:16:51.240 --> 1:16:53.240 like got on top of her looked like he was 1:16:53.280 --> 1:16:54.760 going to throw up, Like he looked nervous, like he 1:16:54.760 --> 1:16:57.120 didn't want to do it, and she recognized him from 1:16:57.240 --> 1:17:00.679 like anthropology class, and like in the article, she says, 1:17:00.680 --> 1:17:03.080 she was like staring in his eyes to like silently 1:17:03.080 --> 1:17:05.439 be like, please, don't do this. Then the guys were 1:17:05.439 --> 1:17:09.240 all hazing him and calling him a pussy and and 1:17:09.280 --> 1:17:11.640 he eventually one of them handed him a bottle, and 1:17:11.680 --> 1:17:13.960 so he assaulted her with a bottle. And I'm wondering 1:17:13.960 --> 1:17:16.439 if that's where I got my confusion in the brock 1:17:16.520 --> 1:17:19.479 Turner case, because I always remember I said that on 1:17:19.520 --> 1:17:22.240 that episode, I had this like memory that he had 1:17:22.280 --> 1:17:23.920 assaulted her with a bottle, And I think it comes 1:17:23.960 --> 1:17:26.240 from this case because this happened. I was living in 1:17:26.280 --> 1:17:28.880 New York when this article came out. I didn't like 1:17:28.920 --> 1:17:31.840 subscribe to Rolling Stone, but I read every second of 1:17:31.880 --> 1:17:35.080 this article, like I remember reading it and being like horrified. 1:17:35.560 --> 1:17:38.960 So Jackie leaves the party at three am, blood on 1:17:39.040 --> 1:17:41.760 her bruised. She tells her three best friends, who the 1:17:41.840 --> 1:17:46.280 article calls Andy, Randall, and Cindy. According to the article, 1:17:46.720 --> 1:17:49.440 these friends convinced her not to go to the hospital 1:17:49.600 --> 1:17:52.519 because Andy and Randall wanted to join the frat and 1:17:52.640 --> 1:17:54.599 they were like, it's going to look bad because you're 1:17:54.640 --> 1:17:56.880 our friend for us to get if you go. 1:17:57.040 --> 1:17:59.240 And they were I kind. 1:17:59.080 --> 1:18:03.519 Of like like shrugging it off, being like, why didn't 1:18:03.560 --> 1:18:04.880 you just have fun with it a bunch of hot 1:18:04.920 --> 1:18:08.040 guys from this frat, Like come on. But then the 1:18:08.160 --> 1:18:11.160 article reports on the usual aftermath of an attack like 1:18:11.160 --> 1:18:16.599 this Jeff Jackie suffered academically, she withdrew socially, she was traumatized, depressed. 1:18:17.920 --> 1:18:19.960 It further alleges that when she. 1:18:20.560 --> 1:18:24.400 Reported the attack in May of twenty thirteen, so that's 1:18:24.439 --> 1:18:28.120 about six or seven months later, the dean and head 1:18:28.280 --> 1:18:32.000 of UVa's sexual misconduct board, whose name was Nicole Eramo, 1:18:32.720 --> 1:18:35.559 she was she offered three options. She said, you can 1:18:35.560 --> 1:18:37.360 file a complain with the police, you can file a 1:18:37.439 --> 1:18:40.480 complain with the school, or you can face your attackers 1:18:40.880 --> 1:18:43.160 the in my presence, like I would be there to 1:18:43.280 --> 1:18:44.880 mediate and tell them how you feel. 1:18:45.560 --> 1:18:48.920 So these are the three options they give her. 1:18:50.080 --> 1:18:53.120 UVA would not take any action unless Jackie gave up 1:18:53.120 --> 1:18:55.200 the names of the attackers or the name of the frat, 1:18:55.800 --> 1:18:59.840 And later that year, the dean connected Jackie with m 1:19:00.040 --> 1:19:03.439 Only Renda, who was a UVA a lum and a 1:19:03.479 --> 1:19:06.840 recent graduate and a staff member now and leader of 1:19:06.880 --> 1:19:10.400 the college's sexual assault support group called One Less and 1:19:10.560 --> 1:19:13.760 Renda is probably who they were basing the character on 1:19:13.840 --> 1:19:16.960 in the SVU episode, although she did not have the 1:19:17.000 --> 1:19:20.400 same coercive according to this my research, like she did 1:19:20.400 --> 1:19:24.640 not have the same kind of like coercive behavior towards 1:19:24.760 --> 1:19:28.320 the victim. She basically is just the one who suggested 1:19:28.400 --> 1:19:30.800 Jackie to the Rolling Stone reporter. Like when the Rolling 1:19:30.840 --> 1:19:33.000 Stone reporter came to her, she was like, Oh, let 1:19:33.040 --> 1:19:35.360 me see if I can connect you with Jackie. So 1:19:36.840 --> 1:19:42.200 after the article was published, the UVA president Teresa Sullivan 1:19:42.640 --> 1:19:45.599 is shocked. She sat with the reporter for a forty 1:19:45.600 --> 1:19:48.120 four minute interview, during which time the reporter never brought 1:19:48.160 --> 1:19:50.599 up Jackie or any of the allegations that she wrote 1:19:50.600 --> 1:19:55.880 about in the article. Phi Kapa Si the frat voluntarily 1:19:55.920 --> 1:19:58.760 suspended their chapter activities at UVA for the duration of 1:19:58.760 --> 1:20:04.440 the investigation. Their frat was graffitied with phrases like suspend 1:20:04.520 --> 1:20:08.160 us UVA Center for Rape Studies and stop raping people, 1:20:09.240 --> 1:20:14.439 and UVa's student newspaper, The Cavalier Daily, wrote, quote, For some, 1:20:14.760 --> 1:20:17.920 the piece is an unfounded attack on our school. For others, 1:20:17.960 --> 1:20:20.240 it is a recognition of a harsh reality. And for 1:20:20.320 --> 1:20:22.640 what I suspect is a large majority of us, it 1:20:22.760 --> 1:20:27.320 falls somewhere in between. But people marched, people protested, And 1:20:27.360 --> 1:20:31.320 then the criticisms of the article started to emerge, and 1:20:31.479 --> 1:20:34.840 they kind of started with other journalists who argued that 1:20:35.600 --> 1:20:40.280 Early seemed to be selectively presenting information, like using confirmation bias. 1:20:40.360 --> 1:20:41.160 To write the article. 1:20:41.880 --> 1:20:44.760 She didn't speak to any of the alleged assailants, nor 1:20:44.800 --> 1:20:46.680 did she speak to any of the three friends who 1:20:46.800 --> 1:20:50.639 Jackie disclosed to following the attack. It was also discovered 1:20:50.640 --> 1:20:52.759 that there was no party on the night that Jackie 1:20:52.800 --> 1:20:56.240 says this happened. Nobody in the frat matched the description 1:20:56.360 --> 1:20:58.439 of the guy who orchestrated the whole thing. This guy 1:20:58.560 --> 1:21:03.120 drew Jackie's accounts of the layout of the house were incorrect, 1:21:03.520 --> 1:21:07.839 the fraternity officials disputed. The authors claim in the article 1:21:07.920 --> 1:21:11.240 that this was like an initiation ritual for the pledges 1:21:11.320 --> 1:21:14.799 because this happened in the fall, and pledges at UVA. 1:21:14.920 --> 1:21:17.519 Pledging at Uva happens in the spring, so that doesn't 1:21:17.520 --> 1:21:22.760 make sense. The Washington Posts did a report later where 1:21:22.760 --> 1:21:25.600 they interviewed Jackie and two of the friends that she 1:21:25.680 --> 1:21:29.600 met that night, and Jackie told the Posts that she 1:21:29.640 --> 1:21:33.479 felt manipulated by the author of the article Early, and 1:21:33.520 --> 1:21:36.280 that she claimed she asked early not to quote her 1:21:36.280 --> 1:21:38.800 in the article, and that her assailants not be contacted. 1:21:39.840 --> 1:21:43.599 The second thing, obviously she abided by, but not the first. 1:21:43.680 --> 1:21:46.679 She's like the whole point of the article. The two 1:21:46.800 --> 1:21:50.000 friends confirmed to the Posts that they remembered meeting Jackie 1:21:50.080 --> 1:21:52.520 on the night of the incident, but that she was distraught, 1:21:52.600 --> 1:21:55.280 but not visibly injured or bloody, like not bruised and 1:21:55.360 --> 1:21:58.280 bloodied the way that the article describes. They also said 1:21:58.280 --> 1:22:00.240 the story she told them didn't match what was in 1:22:00.240 --> 1:22:04.280 the Rolling Stone article, Like I guess, I mean, they're. 1:22:04.120 --> 1:22:06.360 Still bad people. Those friends are terrible people. 1:22:06.800 --> 1:22:08.719 And I was thinking, like that's the number one lesson 1:22:08.760 --> 1:22:11.720 you parents should be teaching their kids. Like you don't 1:22:11.760 --> 1:22:14.200 know these people you're meeting all these new people, you 1:22:14.240 --> 1:22:14.720 don't know them. 1:22:14.760 --> 1:22:16.760 You don't know where they've come from, like who raised them? 1:22:16.800 --> 1:22:19.720 Nothing, Like they want to be in a frat with 1:22:19.880 --> 1:22:23.040 people that just fucking raped you, Yeah and telling you 1:22:23.120 --> 1:22:24.040 not to go to the cops. 1:22:24.040 --> 1:22:25.559 Those are the worst friends ever. 1:22:25.680 --> 1:22:31.040 Like I can't well, the other thing is okay, but 1:22:31.200 --> 1:22:32.360 basically what they were. 1:22:32.240 --> 1:22:35.120 Told because even if nothing, even if she just looks 1:22:35.200 --> 1:22:37.080 kind of described be like let's go tell the ta, 1:22:37.240 --> 1:22:38.439 like let's go do something. 1:22:38.680 --> 1:22:42.360 Yes, their friend's reaction was not good at all, but 1:22:42.400 --> 1:22:43.000 they all. 1:22:42.800 --> 1:22:47.200 Get an a detest, like no encouragement. Yeah she said, 1:22:47.240 --> 1:22:47.959 they said. 1:22:47.800 --> 1:22:49.760 Oh, she told us that she was forced to give 1:22:49.760 --> 1:22:51.720 blowjobs to a bunch of guys, not like what was 1:22:51.720 --> 1:22:55.080 described in the article. Like not that that's better, but 1:22:55.280 --> 1:22:59.800 like it's it's also still assault. But Ryan Duffin is 1:22:59.840 --> 1:23:02.240 the guy who was described as Randall in the article. 1:23:02.320 --> 1:23:04.599 So his real name is Ryan Duffin, and he told 1:23:04.640 --> 1:23:07.599 the Washington Posts that he never spoken to any reporter 1:23:07.640 --> 1:23:11.200 from Rolling Stone, even though Erdaly had claimed him as 1:23:11.240 --> 1:23:15.840 a source. Allegedly, other students who spoke with Early said 1:23:15.840 --> 1:23:17.760 they were uncomfortable talking to her because it was clear 1:23:17.800 --> 1:23:21.320 she had an agenda. And then there's Drew, who was 1:23:21.360 --> 1:23:25.360 this UVA junior who took Jackie to the fraternity and 1:23:25.880 --> 1:23:31.200 basically orchestrated this entire rape. Jackie's friends in the story 1:23:31.760 --> 1:23:35.519 provided evidence that they were introduced electronically to Drew, like 1:23:35.600 --> 1:23:39.480 over email and texts as a student named Haven Monahan, 1:23:40.200 --> 1:23:43.880 and Jackie forwarded messages from this guy Monahan, and he 1:23:44.000 --> 1:23:47.840 exchanged messages with Jackie's friends, including sending a picture of 1:23:47.960 --> 1:23:51.679 himself directly to Ryan Duffin. But then it was revealed 1:23:51.680 --> 1:23:55.639 that there was no student by the name Haven Monahan 1:23:55.800 --> 1:23:58.200 at UVA, and that the picture that he sent was 1:23:58.200 --> 1:24:00.559 actually a picture of someone Jackie went to high school with, 1:24:01.479 --> 1:24:05.120 and that the different phone numbers that Monahan, I'm using 1:24:05.120 --> 1:24:08.120 air quotes now used to contact Jackie and her friends 1:24:08.120 --> 1:24:11.760 were Internet numbers, like they can be easily, you know, 1:24:11.800 --> 1:24:13.479 anyone can use them to make it seem like they're 1:24:13.479 --> 1:24:16.920 coming from a phone. And then there were love letters 1:24:16.960 --> 1:24:23.160 that Jackie had written to Haven Monahan, and then Haven 1:24:23.240 --> 1:24:27.400 Monahan had forwarded them to Ryan Duffin, and they're plagiarized 1:24:27.439 --> 1:24:30.400 from scripts from Dawson's Creek and scrubs. 1:24:31.200 --> 1:24:35.200 So what the fuck? That's like a whole piece of this. 1:24:35.360 --> 1:24:39.000 I feel like I never and SVU doesn't do get 1:24:39.040 --> 1:24:41.080 into all of this, and I think for good reason. 1:24:42.240 --> 1:24:42.639 And so. 1:24:44.080 --> 1:24:47.160 The reporting from the Washington Post uncovered that Haven Monahan 1:24:47.280 --> 1:24:49.680 was basically an amalgamation of people that Jackie had gone 1:24:49.720 --> 1:24:52.439 to high school with who were completely unconnected to UVA. 1:24:53.280 --> 1:24:57.320 So allegedly she made up this guy, Haven Monahan in 1:24:57.360 --> 1:25:01.000 an attempt to catfish Ryan duff It, who had not 1:25:01.120 --> 1:25:04.200 reciprocated Jackie's romantic feelings towards him. 1:25:04.600 --> 1:25:10.080 So then I don't know what, Like it's hard. 1:25:09.880 --> 1:25:14.519 To say, like if an assault happened at all, because 1:25:14.560 --> 1:25:17.800 she made up this whole person, and then did she 1:25:18.400 --> 1:25:22.000 sort of make up this assault to garner sympathy. And 1:25:22.040 --> 1:25:25.200 then she spoke to Rolling Stone thinking that it was 1:25:25.240 --> 1:25:27.000 going to be totally anonymous and that it was just 1:25:27.040 --> 1:25:30.479 a story about advocacy and support of rape survivors. She 1:25:30.560 --> 1:25:33.000 had no idea this was going to be like telling 1:25:33.040 --> 1:25:36.120 her story or like anything like that. 1:25:36.640 --> 1:25:38.559 She really didn't think that was what was going to happen. 1:25:39.439 --> 1:25:43.640 So it is possible, but it's also completely possible that 1:25:43.760 --> 1:25:47.840 something happened and that her you know, she has PTSD 1:25:48.080 --> 1:25:51.920 and fucked up all the details. But the guy who 1:25:51.960 --> 1:25:54.120 she said brought her to this party doesn't exist. 1:25:55.479 --> 1:25:57.160 So yeah. 1:25:57.200 --> 1:25:59.760 So a few weeks after the story was published, Rolling 1:25:59.760 --> 1:26:02.880 Stone publish an apology admitting to discrepancies in the article. 1:26:03.320 --> 1:26:06.599 The deputy managing editor tried to resign, but Rolling Stone's 1:26:07.040 --> 1:26:11.599 owner Jan Wenner would not accept it. Whenner later went 1:26:11.640 --> 1:26:16.040 on to describe Jackie as quote a really expert, fabulous storyteller, 1:26:17.080 --> 1:26:20.600 the media was not into any of Rolling Stone's apologies. 1:26:20.680 --> 1:26:24.000 They were really not taking responsibility for like how damaging 1:26:24.040 --> 1:26:26.839 the article could potentially be to several people in the article, 1:26:28.080 --> 1:26:31.479 mostly Nicole Aramo the dean, because she's the only one 1:26:31.520 --> 1:26:35.200 that's like, you know, the frat is I don't, I 1:26:35.240 --> 1:26:37.240 can't remember if the frat is named. They are the 1:26:37.240 --> 1:26:40.320 frat is named, so it damages the frat. But the 1:26:40.320 --> 1:26:44.040 only person specifically is the dean who it looks in 1:26:44.080 --> 1:26:47.519 the article like has completely mishandled this. So the article 1:26:47.560 --> 1:26:50.800 was completely retracted in April of twenty fifteen, so it's 1:26:50.840 --> 1:26:53.880 been published published for about five months, and then in 1:26:53.920 --> 1:26:57.680 May of twenty fifteen, Nicole Aramo, the Dean, filed a 1:26:57.680 --> 1:27:01.519 seven point five million dollar defamations lost in Charlottesville Circuit 1:27:01.560 --> 1:27:05.680 Court against Rolling Stone and Early and the company that 1:27:05.720 --> 1:27:08.839 owns Rolling Stone, claiming damage to her reputation and emotional distress. 1:27:09.160 --> 1:27:12.120 She was awarded three million dollars, one million from rolling 1:27:12.120 --> 1:27:14.640 Stone and two million from the author. I don't know 1:27:14.640 --> 1:27:16.960 how a random Rolling Stone author has two million dollars 1:27:17.000 --> 1:27:20.640 to even give, but sometimes these civil suits are like symbolic. 1:27:21.520 --> 1:27:22.800 In November of twenty. 1:27:22.520 --> 1:27:26.200 Fifteen, Phi Kapa PSI filed a twenty five million dollar 1:27:26.240 --> 1:27:29.360 lawsuit against Rolling Stone, and that was settled for one 1:27:29.360 --> 1:27:32.800 point sixty five million, okay. So, in the course of 1:27:32.800 --> 1:27:36.640 the civil suit, Jackie sat for a three hour taped deposition, 1:27:37.479 --> 1:27:42.720 and while she told Early in twenty fourteen, quote I 1:27:42.840 --> 1:27:45.200 was sexually assaulted by a lot of guys at that frat, 1:27:45.800 --> 1:27:48.360 and that afterwards she said, quote I remember I felt 1:27:48.360 --> 1:27:51.240 so sick all the time end quote, And then in 1:27:51.280 --> 1:27:57.479 the twenty sixteen deposition she said so two years later, 1:27:57.720 --> 1:28:00.360 she says in this deposition, even the so she has 1:28:00.439 --> 1:28:02.880 told the magazine. 1:28:02.240 --> 1:28:04.400 I was actually assaulted. I felt so sick about it. 1:28:04.840 --> 1:28:07.000 Now in this deposition, she's saying, oh, my memory was 1:28:07.080 --> 1:28:10.960 quote unquote foggy, and I'm suffering from PTSD. So she 1:28:11.120 --> 1:28:15.519 testified to this these like in this lawyer deposition, quote, 1:28:15.600 --> 1:28:17.639 I stand by the account I gave Rolling Stone. 1:28:17.680 --> 1:28:19.320 I believed it to be true at the time. 1:28:20.120 --> 1:28:22.160 And then when she was asked about Eramo the Dean, 1:28:22.360 --> 1:28:24.439 she said, quote, she did everything right. 1:28:24.680 --> 1:28:27.280 She did what an advocate was supposed to do. And 1:28:27.320 --> 1:28:28.559 then she you. 1:28:28.520 --> 1:28:31.560 Know, basically reiterated I thought the article was going to 1:28:31.560 --> 1:28:34.000 be about survivor's advocacy and support. But when I found 1:28:34.040 --> 1:28:35.840 out that I was the focus of the article, I 1:28:35.880 --> 1:28:39.080 remember feeling upset, she says, quote, I remember feeling upset. 1:28:39.200 --> 1:28:41.680 I remember feeling scared and overwhelmed and unsure of what 1:28:41.760 --> 1:28:44.679 to do. And she told them that she was feeling 1:28:44.680 --> 1:28:49.120 a lot of pressure from different angles, so like it 1:28:49.160 --> 1:28:52.200 could be something happened and she made it into a 1:28:52.520 --> 1:28:55.479 bigger thing, or could be nothing happened, and that once 1:28:55.520 --> 1:28:58.320 she said it, the story got away from her. And 1:29:00.200 --> 1:29:02.200 I don't know, but she said about the author of 1:29:02.240 --> 1:29:05.160 the article, she said, quote, my interpretation was different than 1:29:05.200 --> 1:29:08.519 what was written. But she also said her intention was good. 1:29:08.800 --> 1:29:10.799 She did her best to reflect what I told. 1:29:10.600 --> 1:29:12.280 Her, So. 1:29:14.240 --> 1:29:23.559 It's really listed, it's twisted. Yeah, so this is like crazy, yeah, 1:29:23.600 --> 1:29:24.200 And it's like. 1:29:25.880 --> 1:29:29.280 We've seen that like infographic right where there's like a 1:29:29.520 --> 1:29:32.519 hundred bodies and then there's like half of one body 1:29:32.520 --> 1:29:35.640 that's colored that like these that are colored white, and 1:29:35.680 --> 1:29:37.599 there's like half of one that's colored black. And it's 1:29:37.600 --> 1:29:41.200 like this represents the number of people who falsely report 1:29:41.320 --> 1:29:43.760 rape allegations, you know, Like of course everyone likes to 1:29:43.800 --> 1:29:48.439 bring up this article, and the author of the article 1:29:48.479 --> 1:29:50.720 did not do her due diligence, like she did not check, 1:29:50.800 --> 1:29:52.760 Like you didn't check there was a party that night, 1:29:52.880 --> 1:29:54.640 Like you didn't check for some of this shit like 1:29:54.920 --> 1:29:57.559 Rolling Stone, drop the Ball, Like you guys have fact checkers. 1:29:57.560 --> 1:29:59.240 You guys didn't check. 1:29:59.040 --> 1:30:01.720 On this stuff, like this was a big thing to 1:30:01.840 --> 1:30:04.599 publish when you didn't have the fact straight. 1:30:05.320 --> 1:30:07.479 And but it's kind of like the episode for me 1:30:07.520 --> 1:30:14.200 where it's like something bad happened and I don't you know, yeah, 1:30:14.640 --> 1:30:20.080 I don't know, but that the guy didn't exist. 1:30:20.320 --> 1:30:24.240 It's like that the guy didn't exist. But I know, 1:30:24.560 --> 1:30:27.080 people lie all the time, like an SVU. It happens 1:30:27.120 --> 1:30:27.679 all the time. 1:30:28.560 --> 1:30:31.599 Like you don't want to say who it was, Like, 1:30:31.720 --> 1:30:35.720 I just feel like through the show, we see so 1:30:35.800 --> 1:30:42.200 many people lie that have been victimized. Yeah, and totally 1:30:43.160 --> 1:30:47.479 Amanda ceiphered. Remember that episode she lied the whole time, 1:30:47.520 --> 1:30:51.160 but at the end of the day she was raped. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 1:30:51.200 --> 1:30:53.120 I hope she wasn't raped. I hope, you know, I 1:30:53.120 --> 1:30:56.080 hope it was a I don't know, a PCP thing, 1:30:56.200 --> 1:30:57.280 like I don't know, I don't know. 1:30:57.720 --> 1:31:00.840 Yeah, I mean, I hope it wasn't just like, yeah, 1:31:00.880 --> 1:31:02.400 something she made up to. 1:31:04.280 --> 1:31:05.599 Get sympathy from some friends. 1:31:05.640 --> 1:31:07.280 I mean, the story was different, and then when she 1:31:07.320 --> 1:31:09.800 got connected to a Rolling Stone reporter, she changed the 1:31:09.840 --> 1:31:11.439 details to make it more. 1:31:12.160 --> 1:31:16.960 Didn't think that she I don't know. This is also 1:31:17.160 --> 1:31:18.120 a person who's. 1:31:17.920 --> 1:31:22.320 Making up a person to get the attention of someone 1:31:22.360 --> 1:31:25.519 she's romantically interested in, and that's going to a lot 1:31:25.520 --> 1:31:29.919 of lengths like copying scripts and setting up Internet numbers 1:31:29.960 --> 1:31:33.839 and posing as someone like a full catfish operation. Something 1:31:33.920 --> 1:31:37.559 is going on psychologically with her where she needs attention, 1:31:38.479 --> 1:31:41.400 and so I don't but I totally am open to 1:31:41.439 --> 1:31:44.360 the fact that something could have absolutely happened to her. 1:31:46.560 --> 1:31:49.840 But you're thinking more she this isn't mentally a woman. 1:31:50.160 --> 1:31:54.439 I'm thinking that she was having some issues and that yeah, 1:31:54.479 --> 1:31:57.800 and that she possibly fabricated this. And then when she 1:31:57.840 --> 1:31:59.640 spoke to a reporter, she thought, oh, this is just 1:31:59.640 --> 1:32:01.880 gonna be about rape survivors and advocates and I'll just 1:32:01.920 --> 1:32:04.960 talk about I mean, the number of women that have 1:32:05.000 --> 1:32:08.040 been sexually assaulted in some form is so massive, Like, definitely, 1:32:08.080 --> 1:32:10.240 I believe that Jackie, at some point in her life, 1:32:10.439 --> 1:32:14.640 maybe she was assaulted and it caused this crazy catfishing 1:32:15.160 --> 1:32:19.519 psychosis thing to develop where she was like, I'm not 1:32:19.600 --> 1:32:22.160 worthy of love if I don't. You know who knows, 1:32:22.200 --> 1:32:26.280 Like I'm not a psychiatrist, but yes, or a psychologist, 1:32:26.479 --> 1:32:28.000 stop lying, but like. 1:32:28.240 --> 1:32:29.240 Tell them the truth. 1:32:29.560 --> 1:32:32.519 I absolutely believe you've been moonlighting all this time. 1:32:33.000 --> 1:32:36.200 Something could fully have happened to her years before, and 1:32:36.280 --> 1:32:39.120 maybe when she wasn't even a uva that like she's repressed. 1:32:39.120 --> 1:32:40.599 I mean, who knows, but. 1:32:41.560 --> 1:32:45.960 Yeah, but she definitely yeah. 1:32:44.760 --> 1:32:48.720 Set it back thirty years. It's like crazy, one false accusation. 1:32:49.080 --> 1:32:52.040 All women are liars. Every guy can rape, and it's like, 1:32:52.080 --> 1:32:53.479 well not not all of us. 1:32:53.880 --> 1:32:55.080 Yeah, so crazy. 1:32:55.439 --> 1:32:58.480 Yeah, double standards are wild to witness. 1:32:58.600 --> 1:33:01.240 You know, yeah, totally in the world. 1:33:02.080 --> 1:33:05.360 Yeah, there's just as long as there's one little exception 1:33:05.520 --> 1:33:08.680 they can point to of, you know something, they're like, 1:33:10.360 --> 1:33:18.000 you know, so, yeah, a obviously disturbing episode, disturbing, real 1:33:18.200 --> 1:33:21.320 true life crime, the article all that, all of it is. 1:33:21.920 --> 1:33:24.280 Grape culture is real, and I do hope things are 1:33:24.479 --> 1:33:30.719 changing somewhat on college campuses. But let's move on because 1:33:30.800 --> 1:33:33.000 we have a great guest who's going to cleanse the 1:33:33.000 --> 1:33:43.120 palette right now. Our guest today is an actor who 1:33:43.200 --> 1:33:45.840 is best known for her roles on shows like Parenthood 1:33:45.880 --> 1:33:49.240 and Into the Badlands, but today you know her as 1:33:49.560 --> 1:33:53.679 victim Heather Manning. Please enjoy our conbo with the talented 1:33:53.760 --> 1:33:58.960 Ali Ayanitez. So you were like a child actor and 1:33:59.000 --> 1:34:01.160 how old were you when you got this SVU? Were 1:34:01.160 --> 1:34:02.719 you like seventeen or eighteen? 1:34:03.160 --> 1:34:07.320 You guys, I was sixteen? Whoa, which is crazy? Like 1:34:07.360 --> 1:34:10.479 I went back and watched the episode and like the 1:34:10.479 --> 1:34:12.720 way that I love compared to all the guys in 1:34:12.760 --> 1:34:16.360 the episode, like it's so stark to. 1:34:16.360 --> 1:34:17.639 Me, I look so young. 1:34:17.800 --> 1:34:18.960 I wonder if they did that on. 1:34:18.960 --> 1:34:22.120 Her playing an eighteen year old maybe yeah, yeah, yeah, maybe, I. 1:34:22.080 --> 1:34:24.840 Mean, well, because normally it's like a normally it's like 1:34:24.880 --> 1:34:26.920 a twenty five year old playing a seventeen. 1:34:26.640 --> 1:34:28.840 Year old or in eighteen right exactly what for? 1:34:29.320 --> 1:34:34.479 Yeah, for the Ryan Murphy Monica Lewinsky, I heard they 1:34:34.520 --> 1:34:37.920 cast her really young to make it like obvious how 1:34:37.960 --> 1:34:40.320 much younger she really was than all of these people. 1:34:41.160 --> 1:34:43.120 She was twenty two, So I wonder if they did 1:34:43.120 --> 1:34:47.519 it on purpose or not or yeah, but the guys 1:34:47.600 --> 1:34:50.479 like standing in court, it's menacing. It's like just six 1:34:50.560 --> 1:34:53.759 sprat guys in a row. It is like, obviously danger 1:34:53.960 --> 1:34:56.320 is afoot. So wait, you're sixteen years old? 1:34:56.360 --> 1:34:58.080 Would you get this? Have you been like have did 1:34:58.080 --> 1:34:59.080 you watch jes Be You? 1:34:59.400 --> 1:35:03.600 Or like I was you? Guys, I was obsessed with 1:35:03.760 --> 1:35:08.840 svuh yes as as a kid, I watched it. I 1:35:08.880 --> 1:35:11.559 watched every episode like I would just I watch it 1:35:11.600 --> 1:35:13.000 for like twelve hours a day. 1:35:14.000 --> 1:35:15.400 It's it's it's probably. 1:35:15.040 --> 1:35:17.320 Like the number one thing that I've done where I 1:35:17.439 --> 1:35:22.160 was starstruck wow, because it was especially like at the time, 1:35:22.800 --> 1:35:25.880 and I'd auditioned for it before I sent in a 1:35:25.880 --> 1:35:29.320 tape because it's obviously in New York and. 1:35:30.680 --> 1:35:32.599 I didn't get that episode, and I. 1:35:32.560 --> 1:35:35.320 Was really bummed, And then I got another audition for 1:35:35.360 --> 1:35:37.880 this episode and I booked it. I booked it off 1:35:37.920 --> 1:35:39.000 of a tape. 1:35:38.960 --> 1:35:41.880 To and like, when you saw the script was Hudson University, 1:35:41.920 --> 1:35:42.920 were you like, oh. 1:35:42.840 --> 1:35:45.519 No, I can't yeah as a fan. 1:35:45.720 --> 1:35:46.960 To be at Hudson University. 1:35:47.800 --> 1:35:50.720 Yeah, yeah, like nothing good as ever, They're never like 1:35:50.760 --> 1:35:52.920 we're going to We're actually going to a talk at 1:35:52.960 --> 1:35:57.160 Hudson University. It's always bad. It's always bad at Hudson University. 1:35:57.400 --> 1:35:59.519 Where did you film all the exterior shots? And it 1:35:59.560 --> 1:36:00.200 looked cool? 1:36:00.840 --> 1:36:03.280 It was fucking freezing. Sorry I shouldn't be. 1:36:04.840 --> 1:36:09.880 Okay, great, amazing, Yeah, it was really really cool. Is 1:36:09.920 --> 1:36:10.720 that Columbia? 1:36:10.920 --> 1:36:11.280 Okay? 1:36:12.360 --> 1:36:12.759 Yeah. 1:36:12.840 --> 1:36:16.800 I was wondering because you know, I think this episode 1:36:16.840 --> 1:36:20.759 is more based on sort of like the Rolling Stone 1:36:20.840 --> 1:36:23.479 article that came out that was youater, like sort of 1:36:23.479 --> 1:36:26.200 debunked and then like but at the same time, that 1:36:26.439 --> 1:36:29.120 huge thing was happening at Columbia with this girl that 1:36:29.160 --> 1:36:32.559 made her senior thesis project, like carrying her mattress. So 1:36:32.600 --> 1:36:35.360 it's interesting that in the light in the wake of 1:36:35.400 --> 1:36:38.400 all that, SBU would be like, hey, Columbia, can we 1:36:38.400 --> 1:36:38.840 shoot there? 1:36:38.840 --> 1:36:40.400 And Columbia would be like, no problem. 1:36:40.720 --> 1:36:44.160 True, I guess money. I mean yeah, I don't know. 1:36:44.479 --> 1:36:47.080 Yeah, because they they go around to a lot of 1:36:47.120 --> 1:36:47.839 different colleges. 1:36:47.840 --> 1:36:49.639 When we've talked to people, like and. 1:36:49.479 --> 1:36:51.720 That's interesting because I actually went to a college that 1:36:51.840 --> 1:36:54.559 was in the midst of a rape scandal. 1:36:55.200 --> 1:36:59.320 I know that is really interesting, you know, But so okay, cold? 1:36:59.320 --> 1:37:01.599 And how was it shooting on the streets of New York? 1:37:02.600 --> 1:37:04.360 It was, I mean, it was amazing. It was like 1:37:04.520 --> 1:37:07.280 everything that you want from that. 1:37:07.439 --> 1:37:07.880 I love. 1:37:08.160 --> 1:37:11.360 I love shooting in New York because you're so raw, 1:37:11.520 --> 1:37:13.759 like you're just out there, You're just on the street 1:37:13.840 --> 1:37:15.200 and anyone can just walk up. 1:37:15.320 --> 1:37:19.679 Did you have a parent with on set with You're sick? 1:37:19.960 --> 1:37:20.920 Yeah? Which one? 1:37:21.040 --> 1:37:21.280 Yeah? 1:37:21.320 --> 1:37:21.719 My mom? 1:37:21.840 --> 1:37:25.559 Okay, mom my mom came with me, Yeah, and was chill. 1:37:25.640 --> 1:37:27.560 What's her behavior? Did she watch us VI with you? 1:37:28.680 --> 1:37:28.760 She? 1:37:29.800 --> 1:37:31.320 I don't remember. I think it was mostly me and 1:37:31.360 --> 1:37:31.840 my sister. 1:37:32.160 --> 1:37:32.439 Yeah. 1:37:32.479 --> 1:37:33.960 But she was always great. 1:37:34.120 --> 1:37:37.360 She was always really supportive and like gave me my space. 1:37:37.400 --> 1:37:38.519 I was such like a hard word. 1:37:38.560 --> 1:37:40.720 I mean, I still am, just like I always really 1:37:40.760 --> 1:37:42.880 want to do a really good job. It's definitely like 1:37:42.880 --> 1:37:44.760 the child actor and me being like I need to 1:37:44.800 --> 1:37:45.519 do a good job. 1:37:45.560 --> 1:37:48.240 But I remember I woke up at like four. 1:37:48.120 --> 1:37:50.160 Am in the hotel and I went downstairs and I'm 1:37:50.320 --> 1:37:54.479 journaling for my character. And she was always just really 1:37:54.520 --> 1:37:57.719 supportive in Chill. She wasn't like a crazy stage mom, 1:37:58.200 --> 1:38:00.040 which is a blessing. 1:37:59.680 --> 1:38:03.960 For Yeah, and it seems like you were self motivated. 1:38:04.439 --> 1:38:04.800 I was. 1:38:04.840 --> 1:38:06.920 I was extremely self motivated. 1:38:07.520 --> 1:38:11.280 It was extremely self journaling as a mere character is 1:38:11.320 --> 1:38:12.759 like so theater kid. 1:38:13.200 --> 1:38:16.240 I know, no, I know, I know, I mean I was. 1:38:16.439 --> 1:38:17.400 I was a theater kid. 1:38:17.479 --> 1:38:19.880 I did so many musicals when I was younger, and 1:38:19.920 --> 1:38:21.439 then like moved into film and TV. 1:38:21.560 --> 1:38:23.719 But yeah, I was so like I just really wanted 1:38:23.760 --> 1:38:24.479 to do a good. 1:38:24.360 --> 1:38:26.960 Job because it was like I was like, this is 1:38:27.000 --> 1:38:30.240 my favorite show, Like I'm working with all these actors. 1:38:30.360 --> 1:38:32.960 Yeah, and it's such a hard storyline, especially when you 1:38:32.960 --> 1:38:35.599 watches the show, because then it's like you never want it, 1:38:35.720 --> 1:38:38.720 you never you know, false accusations are so rare, and 1:38:38.760 --> 1:38:40.320 the perception of so any there. 1:38:40.439 --> 1:38:42.960 Those episodes definitely stand out. 1:38:43.160 --> 1:38:46.120 And then you were victimized and then this woman was 1:38:46.120 --> 1:38:48.400 supposed to help you and didn't you know it's. 1:38:48.320 --> 1:38:53.520 Very woman like used you as like the political tough episode. 1:38:53.640 --> 1:38:56.639 You know, it's a super tough episode. They wouldn't. 1:38:56.640 --> 1:38:58.800 I don't think they would make an episode like that now, 1:38:59.360 --> 1:39:00.879 Like maybe I'm wrong. 1:39:00.880 --> 1:39:03.439 With all the with like the recanting and stuff like that, 1:39:03.600 --> 1:39:05.519 with like changing your story and this and that. 1:39:06.800 --> 1:39:08.679 I mean it's an I mean it is interesting. 1:39:08.720 --> 1:39:12.559 It makes you think, but it's heavy, Like the end 1:39:12.680 --> 1:39:15.360 is the the end is heavy. 1:39:14.560 --> 1:39:14.800 Yeah. 1:39:15.520 --> 1:39:17.599 When she's like I couldn't believe how it ended. 1:39:17.600 --> 1:39:19.519 When she's just like, there's kind of nothing we can do, 1:39:19.560 --> 1:39:21.400 I was like, that's never how sbu ends. 1:39:21.680 --> 1:39:23.120 There's always something she can do. 1:39:23.880 --> 1:39:27.200 And I'm like, don't they have the DNA? Yeah, what 1:39:27.240 --> 1:39:31.040 do you mean? I don't know, but yeah, I was so. 1:39:31.120 --> 1:39:33.280 I was so excited also to work with Laura Frasier 1:39:33.880 --> 1:39:36.160 because who played like my professor. 1:39:36.200 --> 1:39:38.639 Because I love Breaking Bad. I mean I love Breaking Bad. 1:39:38.800 --> 1:39:40.200 Why did I not recognize her? 1:39:40.800 --> 1:39:44.880 She plays the okay, she plays like the really art 1:39:44.920 --> 1:39:47.840 tight girl who's like yeah, yeah, who's always like tweaking out, 1:39:47.840 --> 1:39:50.400 and then I think he kills her with Splenda is 1:39:50.439 --> 1:39:51.880 the Breaking Bad spoiler, But I feel like I can 1:39:51.880 --> 1:39:52.200 spoil it. 1:39:52.160 --> 1:39:52.519 It's better. 1:39:52.560 --> 1:39:54.160 Yeah, it's been a long time. 1:39:54.200 --> 1:39:56.000 But yeah, she was she's amazing. 1:39:56.000 --> 1:40:00.600 And then Michael Slavis, who directed the episode like a 1:40:00.680 --> 1:40:02.840 bunch of breaking bad. I think she directed some of 1:40:02.880 --> 1:40:05.640 it too, So I was like, just really excited to 1:40:05.680 --> 1:40:06.519 work with all these people. 1:40:06.560 --> 1:40:08.639 Is this is she the one where she's like rich 1:40:08.680 --> 1:40:11.200 and they come in like Mike, Mike comes into her 1:40:11.240 --> 1:40:14.400 house like she works within the chemicals. 1:40:14.600 --> 1:40:16.800 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 1:40:16.920 --> 1:40:17.759 Oh my god. 1:40:19.040 --> 1:40:21.160 I did not really did not know who you were 1:40:21.200 --> 1:40:24.280 talking about until I saw that her name is Lydia 1:40:24.400 --> 1:40:28.000 Rodarte Quail and I was like, yes, I know exactly 1:40:28.040 --> 1:40:28.720 who this is. 1:40:29.080 --> 1:40:30.439 And then I don't think you had scenes with her, 1:40:30.479 --> 1:40:33.280 but I loved the woman who played the dean or like, 1:40:34.920 --> 1:40:37.400 it's like such a classic type of woman. 1:40:37.800 --> 1:40:40.439 She's a classic dean. That's like I actually am not 1:40:40.479 --> 1:40:42.639 going to help the police with this. It will look bad. 1:40:42.720 --> 1:40:43.720 Yeah. 1:40:43.760 --> 1:40:47.120 Wait, So tell us how you went from starstruck to 1:40:47.280 --> 1:40:49.200 like having to do your job. 1:40:49.520 --> 1:40:50.160 I guess. 1:40:50.800 --> 1:40:55.240 I mean, I I think I just really locked it. 1:40:55.280 --> 1:40:56.439 And that's like not a good answer. 1:40:56.479 --> 1:41:00.320 I think, I you know, I just I I so 1:41:01.080 --> 1:41:04.479 even when I was young, I really cared about being 1:41:04.520 --> 1:41:08.280 truthful as an actor, and I just I just love it, 1:41:08.360 --> 1:41:12.519 like I love playing off someone and like getting into 1:41:12.560 --> 1:41:14.640 someone else's head and I love the psychology of all 1:41:14.680 --> 1:41:17.000 of it. So I think I was really into that 1:41:17.080 --> 1:41:21.160 as well, and that was almost like equally as important 1:41:21.200 --> 1:41:24.720 to me as like as like the starstruckness, you know. 1:41:24.720 --> 1:41:26.479 I think I was really focused on her and like 1:41:26.520 --> 1:41:28.960 creating the character and just acting. 1:41:31.520 --> 1:41:31.880 Yeah. 1:41:32.000 --> 1:41:34.880 I also, I mean everyone was really really nice, Like 1:41:34.960 --> 1:41:39.439 Marishka was wonderful. I remember even thinking like I was like, girl, 1:41:39.479 --> 1:41:41.680 you've been doing this for sixteen seasons and you are 1:41:41.920 --> 1:41:44.439 locked in with me. Like I remember I was doing 1:41:44.439 --> 1:41:47.880 a scene with her and she was so she was 1:41:47.960 --> 1:41:51.040 so locked into me, and I remember her being like 1:41:51.160 --> 1:41:54.479 thank you for like giving me so much, on giving 1:41:54.479 --> 1:41:57.639 me so much on my coverage, like like she she 1:41:57.720 --> 1:42:00.479 was not going through the motions, which I like, how 1:42:00.520 --> 1:42:02.840 are you not doing that? After doing this for sixteen. 1:42:02.560 --> 1:42:05.879 Years and like it's honestly been another ten And everybody 1:42:05.920 --> 1:42:09.240 says like she's kind of the same, like she's still 1:42:09.320 --> 1:42:12.639 really like good and so like dialed into her care 1:42:12.800 --> 1:42:15.760 like the scene and like yeah, everybody just says that 1:42:15.880 --> 1:42:18.800 she's so I think that's like why. 1:42:17.920 --> 1:42:23.360 So yeah, I remember. Also I have this memory of 1:42:23.479 --> 1:42:26.599 like when I went in for my fitting. They were like, oh, 1:42:26.840 --> 1:42:29.599 like for the scenes where you're talking about the assault, 1:42:30.160 --> 1:42:31.639 will give you like a big sweater. 1:42:31.760 --> 1:42:34.080 We call them victim sweaters. I don't know if anyone else. 1:42:34.880 --> 1:42:36.280 Wow, like so happy. 1:42:36.400 --> 1:42:40.759 We've actually intel modeled one of our merch sweatshirts over 1:42:40.840 --> 1:42:44.120 a victim sweatshirt, but they didn't know there was. 1:42:44.120 --> 1:42:47.400 An official name to them. I like that it's victim sweater. 1:42:48.040 --> 1:42:49.200 Yeah, it's victim sweater. 1:42:49.320 --> 1:42:52.880 I thought that was really like kind of like fucked 1:42:52.960 --> 1:42:53.799 up and funny. 1:42:53.840 --> 1:42:56.280 I was like, well, I have a question about it. 1:42:56.360 --> 1:42:59.759 I Oh, I love your baby blue sweater. I haven't written. 1:43:00.240 --> 1:43:03.080 I also loved your eyeshadow and lips. 1:43:03.120 --> 1:43:07.320 It like your wardrobe and makeup were really great for 1:43:07.360 --> 1:43:07.960 this character. 1:43:08.160 --> 1:43:09.599 I did love it. I noticed. 1:43:09.600 --> 1:43:14.080 I agree. They they definitely, I mean I had no 1:43:14.160 --> 1:43:14.599 saying that. 1:43:14.640 --> 1:43:17.880 They definitely made her really like to me, she's very 1:43:17.880 --> 1:43:18.680 like midwestern. 1:43:19.760 --> 1:43:22.920 Yeah, And I mean it makes sense that I guess 1:43:22.920 --> 1:43:25.479 like after someone's gone through something very traumatic that they 1:43:25.479 --> 1:43:28.000 would sort of like want to hide themselves a little bit, 1:43:28.080 --> 1:43:31.040 or like hide their body, and that's why you're wearing 1:43:31.080 --> 1:43:36.000 this like like just with your sleeves or something. 1:43:36.560 --> 1:43:39.600 Yes, yes, they said that. They were like, so so 1:43:39.720 --> 1:43:41.200 you can, so you can do this. 1:43:41.720 --> 1:43:44.519 It's like John really has a joke about Sweater acting right, 1:43:44.560 --> 1:43:46.280 It's like, yeah, you know. 1:43:46.360 --> 1:43:48.519 I love Yeah, it's amazing. 1:43:49.880 --> 1:43:53.560 We need we need him and Kate on SVU immediately. 1:43:53.120 --> 1:43:55.639 Yes we do, we do, we really do. 1:43:56.160 --> 1:44:00.639 What else do you remember or like, did anything bring 1:44:00.640 --> 1:44:02.280 you back while watching it as well? 1:44:03.240 --> 1:44:09.120 I remember, hmmm, I remember in that in that last 1:44:09.160 --> 1:44:11.599 scene I had with Marishka, I remember I was having 1:44:11.600 --> 1:44:14.200 a hard time and I remember the director of Michael 1:44:14.240 --> 1:44:17.479 Slavis pulled me aside and he was like, this happens 1:44:17.520 --> 1:44:20.639 to people, Like this is real, this happens to girls. 1:44:20.760 --> 1:44:22.680 And then I was just like I lost it. I 1:44:22.760 --> 1:44:24.440 was so emotional. 1:44:24.960 --> 1:44:25.400 Wow. 1:44:26.080 --> 1:44:32.120 Yeah, that was a really intense moment. That was such 1:44:32.320 --> 1:44:34.639 such good direction. It's it's a moment that I'll always 1:44:34.680 --> 1:44:38.360 remember because I don't think directors always have to do this. 1:44:38.640 --> 1:44:41.840 But he was feeling with me, like he was in 1:44:41.880 --> 1:44:44.840 there with me, and that's what I needed, Like I 1:44:44.880 --> 1:44:48.960 needed someone to let me know how important. 1:44:48.520 --> 1:44:49.080 It was, you know. 1:44:50.880 --> 1:44:53.600 Yeah, yeah, that like someone could see this sound like 1:44:53.640 --> 1:44:55.080 really resonate with your characters. 1:44:55.160 --> 1:44:58.880 Yeah yeah, yeah, I'm looking through the IMDb cast right now, 1:44:58.880 --> 1:45:01.000 and there is one girl in her is goth girl. 1:45:01.720 --> 1:45:02.240 I love that. 1:45:02.400 --> 1:45:05.200 See okay, yes she is actually the director's daughter. 1:45:05.680 --> 1:45:08.559 Oh yeah, yeah, I just yeah, Oh my god. 1:45:08.640 --> 1:45:11.080 That's something that I remembered when I was watching it back. 1:45:11.120 --> 1:45:12.960 I was like, oh, yeah, that was his that was 1:45:13.000 --> 1:45:13.439 his daughter. 1:45:13.479 --> 1:45:15.160 Oh my god, that's so fun fun. 1:45:15.760 --> 1:45:19.639 What is this show? Into the bad Lands? Action packed? 1:45:20.320 --> 1:45:21.559 Yes, martial art show? 1:45:23.040 --> 1:45:23.280 Cool? 1:45:23.360 --> 1:45:26.320 Yeah, yeah, it was that. 1:45:26.400 --> 1:45:27.640 I mean that was like a huge part of my 1:45:27.640 --> 1:45:29.439 life because I was on that show for four years. 1:45:31.080 --> 1:45:33.519 It was amazing. It was Yeah. 1:45:33.520 --> 1:45:36.360 We literally did before the first season a six week 1:45:36.400 --> 1:45:40.920 training camp and then the next like three we did 1:45:40.920 --> 1:45:42.600 a three week training camp, and I would train in 1:45:42.640 --> 1:45:47.240 between with people from like stuntings from Beijing. There are 1:45:47.240 --> 1:45:49.479 people that worked on the Matrix and like Crouching Tiger, 1:45:49.520 --> 1:45:50.559 Hit and Dragon like. 1:45:50.600 --> 1:45:53.360 Oh, it was an incredible experience. 1:45:53.479 --> 1:45:56.120 Now, did you have any background in that? What was 1:45:56.160 --> 1:45:57.240 the auditioning for that? 1:45:57.680 --> 1:46:01.599 No, they wanted a dance sir, and I did dance 1:46:01.640 --> 1:46:05.000 when I was a kid, like, but I didn't compete 1:46:05.040 --> 1:46:08.080 and I wasn't good. But I think my agents told 1:46:08.120 --> 1:46:11.479 them that I was a dancer. Which is which is true. 1:46:11.720 --> 1:46:14.479 And then they just trained us. I mean they, I 1:46:14.520 --> 1:46:17.040 mean you know, we had like the best people in 1:46:17.080 --> 1:46:20.240 the world to train you, and we all worked really 1:46:20.320 --> 1:46:22.200 hard and just learned a lot. 1:46:22.240 --> 1:46:24.559 And now when I do stunts, like, if I ever 1:46:24.640 --> 1:46:26.439 have to do stunts, I'm. 1:46:26.280 --> 1:46:30.519 Amazed by how I hand at them, just because I 1:46:30.600 --> 1:46:33.880 did it for so many years and I'm so comfortable 1:46:33.880 --> 1:46:35.840 with it, like and I and I loved it. 1:46:35.880 --> 1:46:37.599 I actually really really loved doing stunts. 1:46:37.880 --> 1:46:40.879 It's yeah, really in my dream and you were fighting. 1:46:40.960 --> 1:46:42.519 And then where was the training camps? 1:46:43.479 --> 1:46:45.920 The first time was in New Orleans because we shot 1:46:45.960 --> 1:46:47.599 the first season in New Orleans, and then the rest 1:46:47.640 --> 1:46:49.920 were in Ireland because we shot in Ireland. We shot 1:46:49.920 --> 1:46:52.000 in Dublin School. 1:46:52.680 --> 1:46:52.920 Same. 1:46:53.200 --> 1:46:55.479 I loved it there so much. 1:46:56.120 --> 1:46:57.280 I really enjoyed it there. 1:46:57.360 --> 1:46:59.920 It's the best, the people, the it's. 1:46:59.800 --> 1:47:04.120 The And then you just did this like short that's 1:47:04.160 --> 1:47:07.040 part of like the Jason universe. 1:47:06.680 --> 1:47:11.800 Right, Yeah? I did Is that Friday the thirteenth? Yes? Yes, yeah. 1:47:12.040 --> 1:47:14.400 My husband recently told my four year old son the 1:47:14.520 --> 1:47:15.599 entire story of Jason. 1:47:15.760 --> 1:47:17.960 So yeah, I was like, wow, that's amazing. 1:47:17.960 --> 1:47:20.040 It's like I'm scared and I was like, can I 1:47:20.040 --> 1:47:21.240 talk to you in the other room please? 1:47:22.120 --> 1:47:23.840 But that's so funny? 1:47:24.000 --> 1:47:26.800 Is this like so are you like, are you like 1:47:26.920 --> 1:47:29.400 into being like a scream queen or like what kind 1:47:29.439 --> 1:47:30.000 of was this? 1:47:30.120 --> 1:47:31.760 Like yeah, freaky, like. 1:47:31.760 --> 1:47:33.840 This kind of thing I do. 1:47:34.000 --> 1:47:34.320 I do. 1:47:34.360 --> 1:47:35.160 I like it a lot. 1:47:35.240 --> 1:47:39.320 I find it, like, I find it really cathartic actually 1:47:39.880 --> 1:47:46.080 to be in a really uncomfortable, like life threatening, horrible position, 1:47:46.439 --> 1:47:50.439 but like know that you're obviously fine, like you know, 1:47:50.520 --> 1:47:53.559 like you're going through the worst possible thing, like imagining it, 1:47:54.000 --> 1:47:56.400 and then you go home and you're just on the 1:47:56.400 --> 1:47:58.400 couch and you're cozy and you're fine. I mean, it's 1:47:58.439 --> 1:48:00.800 sort of like the experience of watching a horror film, 1:48:00.800 --> 1:48:02.720 where like you go and you watch it and you're horrified, 1:48:03.320 --> 1:48:04.040 but you're fine. 1:48:04.320 --> 1:48:07.400 It's famous, some ruined my life forever. 1:48:08.640 --> 1:48:09.120 That's true. 1:48:09.160 --> 1:48:09.679 That's true. 1:48:10.680 --> 1:48:13.120 Truly. I don't know about that. And it doesn't need 1:48:13.160 --> 1:48:13.599 to be horror. 1:48:13.600 --> 1:48:16.439 My one of my best friends always says that like 1:48:16.479 --> 1:48:19.960 HOLOCAUSTUS movies should be considered horror, and like advertise the 1:48:19.960 --> 1:48:22.000 way because she's like those haunt me, like the Pianist 1:48:22.000 --> 1:48:23.120 haunts me all the time. 1:48:23.640 --> 1:48:25.080 Oh my god, I get seen from that. 1:48:25.120 --> 1:48:27.200 There's one in particular scene I think about all the 1:48:27.200 --> 1:48:29.200 time and I wish I don't not that I wish 1:48:29.280 --> 1:48:31.880 I hadn't seen it, but it fucked me up a lot. 1:48:32.120 --> 1:48:33.679 Yeah, that's so true. 1:48:33.760 --> 1:48:35.280 And it follows fucked me up. 1:48:35.400 --> 1:48:38.320 I mean it follows like I can't even rewatch it 1:48:38.360 --> 1:48:38.760 all the way. 1:48:39.400 --> 1:48:41.760 I really scares me. 1:48:42.400 --> 1:48:45.080 Wait, what stunts have you done since Into the bad Lands? 1:48:45.120 --> 1:48:47.519 Are people like, whoa are the others stunt people? Like 1:48:47.560 --> 1:48:48.080 they could tell? 1:48:49.479 --> 1:48:49.799 Yeah? 1:48:49.880 --> 1:48:52.800 Yeah, I think I think they can probably tell. And 1:48:52.880 --> 1:48:54.280 I also will just tell them. 1:48:54.320 --> 1:48:55.800 Like I think a big thing with actors is some 1:48:55.880 --> 1:48:58.280 people will be like, hey, like we have to do this, 1:48:58.400 --> 1:49:00.640 and the actor is like a kind of like that 1:49:00.720 --> 1:49:02.200 sounds great, like let's do it. 1:49:02.280 --> 1:49:03.439 Yeah I did. 1:49:03.520 --> 1:49:03.880 I did. 1:49:03.920 --> 1:49:08.080 I did some stunts for that Friday thirteenth thing I 1:49:08.080 --> 1:49:12.920 I get like like pulls me into the water. I 1:49:13.120 --> 1:49:16.320 mean I literally had to be in that lake at night. 1:49:16.439 --> 1:49:19.040 Where did you shoot it in Wisconsin? 1:49:19.280 --> 1:49:21.120 Oh? 1:49:21.160 --> 1:49:22.520 That was very cold. 1:49:22.520 --> 1:49:25.120 And a lot of there was there was a lot 1:49:25.120 --> 1:49:28.439 of fighting in that. There was like, yeah, I don't 1:49:28.439 --> 1:49:31.280 remember like specific stunts that I did, but. 1:49:33.120 --> 1:49:35.439 Yeah, what else did I do? Stunts in I mean 1:49:36.040 --> 1:49:37.080 really like every. 1:49:36.840 --> 1:49:39.280 Horror I've done, and I've done, and I've done like 1:49:39.320 --> 1:49:42.960 quite a bit of horror since then. There's definitely stunts 1:49:43.000 --> 1:49:45.120 with that. There's always stuns with horror. But I love 1:49:45.160 --> 1:49:46.960 a horror stump. It's so fun. And I love like 1:49:46.960 --> 1:49:49.040 a blood gag like I had to cough up my 1:49:49.120 --> 1:49:50.120 lungs for one movie. 1:49:50.600 --> 1:49:51.479 I love doing that. 1:49:51.840 --> 1:49:53.080 Oh my god. 1:49:53.360 --> 1:49:54.200 Yeah, so fun. 1:49:55.680 --> 1:49:59.439 You wrote in direct Saco Bhones, I did, Yes, I am. 1:49:59.560 --> 1:50:02.240 I'm very excited about this. It's a short. 1:50:02.439 --> 1:50:04.960 It's my first short that I've directed and written, and 1:50:04.960 --> 1:50:07.840 I'm also in it and I'm just finishing it up now, 1:50:07.880 --> 1:50:08.840 so we'll be submitting it. 1:50:08.760 --> 1:50:10.760 To festivals and tell me more. 1:50:11.680 --> 1:50:13.840 It's about this girl who gets obsessed with a crow, 1:50:14.200 --> 1:50:17.360 and I have liked this could be about. 1:50:19.240 --> 1:50:21.320 Every time I tell people about it, they're like, yep, 1:50:21.439 --> 1:50:21.960 my aunt. 1:50:22.200 --> 1:50:25.439 My friends have been leaving presents for the crows to 1:50:25.479 --> 1:50:27.720 try to get them to become friends with that and 1:50:27.720 --> 1:50:28.320 it's working. 1:50:28.520 --> 1:50:31.519 So is that as this the Saca Bones character, she's. 1:50:32.040 --> 1:50:36.160 Kind of Yeah, she's like a weird girl who gets 1:50:36.200 --> 1:50:38.599 obsessed with a crow, and she lives with her mom, 1:50:38.600 --> 1:50:41.360 and her mom just does not understand and then there's 1:50:41.400 --> 1:50:46.840 like some conflicts that sparks out of that damning. Yeah. Yeah, 1:50:46.880 --> 1:50:50.880 I'm I'm getting more into writing and directing, which has 1:50:50.920 --> 1:50:51.960 been awesome. 1:50:52.479 --> 1:50:54.479 Yeah, that's that is awesome. That's great. 1:50:54.760 --> 1:50:57.080 If you were to come back to SVU as a 1:50:57.120 --> 1:50:59.600 full on adult, what would you like to? 1:51:00.040 --> 1:51:00.640 I love to. 1:51:01.400 --> 1:51:04.400 I would love I You know what I I'm so 1:51:04.640 --> 1:51:06.960 mad that I didn't get to do, actually is be 1:51:07.160 --> 1:51:07.719 in court. 1:51:08.439 --> 1:51:09.599 You weren't on the stand. 1:51:09.760 --> 1:51:14.679 That's right, that that actually I actually do remember reading 1:51:14.680 --> 1:51:17.519 the episode and being like, damn, yeah, and I think 1:51:17.640 --> 1:51:20.680 I would want to be a lawyer one hundred, like. 1:51:20.640 --> 1:51:26.240 A DA or a defensive like like are you are 1:51:26.280 --> 1:51:27.120 you a cutthroat? 1:51:27.360 --> 1:51:29.400 I feel like it'd be fun to be a prosecutor. 1:51:30.880 --> 1:51:32.760 I feel like it'd be fun to do that. 1:51:33.720 --> 1:51:36.960 Yeah, prose, but you can can you unless you play 1:51:37.000 --> 1:51:37.640 the same. 1:51:37.800 --> 1:51:40.080 Unless they like they'll get like sometimes somebody is like 1:51:40.080 --> 1:51:42.800 a prosecutor in New Jersey or like you know, a 1:51:42.880 --> 1:51:45.000 queen's prosecutor or something like that. 1:51:45.479 --> 1:51:51.000 You can't worry. Coraesi is on family vacation. Yeah totally, man. 1:51:50.920 --> 1:51:53.479 So how how long have you guys been watching? Like 1:51:53.479 --> 1:51:54.559 when did you first start. 1:51:55.800 --> 1:51:58.680 I mean, I don't want to say, well, you you 1:51:58.720 --> 1:52:01.759 watched the premiere because on your birthday, premiered on my birthday. 1:52:01.800 --> 1:52:03.560 I've been watching it since it came out, but I 1:52:03.600 --> 1:52:06.320 wouldn't say like it came out when I was in college, 1:52:06.360 --> 1:52:09.160 like my college years, like I wasn't like home watching 1:52:09.200 --> 1:52:13.519 appointment television. So I caught like through having USA Network 1:52:13.560 --> 1:52:16.080 through the two thousands, is like how I when I 1:52:16.120 --> 1:52:18.000 was living in New York, is like how I became 1:52:18.200 --> 1:52:21.040 more of like a dialed in fan and I was 1:52:21.040 --> 1:52:24.920 watching it like every week plus marathons, but also like 1:52:25.040 --> 1:52:27.439 being a comedian on the road for like the past, 1:52:27.560 --> 1:52:31.840 I would say, like full time over a decade, it's 1:52:31.880 --> 1:52:33.040 like the best hotel watch. 1:52:35.000 --> 1:52:36.479 It's just always there for you. 1:52:37.000 --> 1:52:41.360 And that that was and then when when Kara had 1:52:41.360 --> 1:52:43.479 this idea, But yeah, I guess. And now we've been 1:52:43.479 --> 1:52:47.479 doing this podcast for close to three hundred episodes, what 1:52:47.800 --> 1:52:49.320 it's like been six years. 1:52:50.200 --> 1:52:51.080 That's amazing. 1:52:51.640 --> 1:52:56.080 Yeah, it doesn't. It's amazing, and we're always inspired. 1:52:56.120 --> 1:52:57.800 I mean, we get to talk to such cool people. 1:52:57.840 --> 1:53:00.240 It's really it started out as like we're going to 1:53:00.240 --> 1:53:02.360 research crime and that interview people, and then the interviews 1:53:02.360 --> 1:53:04.560 have become like, well, you know, a joyful. 1:53:04.160 --> 1:53:06.919 Part of this for us, oh, because. 1:53:06.680 --> 1:53:09.559 We're inspired and then everyone loves Marishka unprompted, and that's 1:53:09.600 --> 1:53:11.760 been a cool journey. One day we'll have to like 1:53:11.800 --> 1:53:13.920 splice all of this together and send it to her 1:53:13.920 --> 1:53:17.240 as a gift, because the way people gush about her 1:53:17.360 --> 1:53:20.960 without even us asking a question is really cool. 1:53:21.680 --> 1:53:24.120 I mean I agree, like I felt the same way. 1:53:24.160 --> 1:53:26.400 I was blown away, Yeah. 1:53:26.040 --> 1:53:29.439 Because like I mean, when you do, I mean, I 1:53:29.439 --> 1:53:31.439 guess it was kind of the first like procedural I did, 1:53:31.479 --> 1:53:33.000 but then I went on to do more of them, 1:53:33.120 --> 1:53:35.960 and then you do realize like, oh, it's a really 1:53:36.000 --> 1:53:39.759 hard job to do the same character for so long, 1:53:39.920 --> 1:53:43.240 and it's natural to get a little like you know, 1:53:44.360 --> 1:53:46.519 distracted or just you know, it's like it's hard to 1:53:46.520 --> 1:53:47.320 be in the moment. 1:53:47.120 --> 1:53:47.679 All the time. 1:53:48.280 --> 1:53:49.360 I don't know, how has it. 1:53:50.040 --> 1:53:52.639 I think also because she just like knows that her 1:53:53.200 --> 1:53:56.240 character and the show is also like helping people in 1:53:56.280 --> 1:53:58.240 a way. It's like what the directors said to you, 1:53:58.439 --> 1:54:02.320 It's like, yeah, she's actually like started all this advocacy 1:54:02.360 --> 1:54:05.680 that's changed legislation, Like she really you know, and like 1:54:05.960 --> 1:54:08.000 kids are getting kidnapped and going, well, I actually knew 1:54:08.040 --> 1:54:10.840 to do this because I watch SPU with my mom, Like, 1:54:11.000 --> 1:54:14.440 you know, so I think that she's probably and I think. 1:54:14.200 --> 1:54:17.680 When we've talked to other cast members, like they know 1:54:17.840 --> 1:54:20.040 that the guest stars on the show are doing the 1:54:20.120 --> 1:54:24.120 heavy emotional lifting, and they're also they know that it's 1:54:24.120 --> 1:54:26.839 like a big deal for actors to book like these parts. 1:54:26.920 --> 1:54:29.720 But yeah, it's victims, it's flip out, it's really emotional, 1:54:29.760 --> 1:54:33.600 and I think they want people to have good experiences 1:54:33.640 --> 1:54:34.360 and do a good job. 1:54:34.480 --> 1:54:37.560 Yeah, I definitely, I totally agree with that. 1:54:37.640 --> 1:54:40.480 I actually, now that you're saying this, I feel like 1:54:40.520 --> 1:54:42.320 I learned so much from her because then when I've 1:54:42.360 --> 1:54:46.240 been serior with regular on my show I on bad Lands, 1:54:47.360 --> 1:54:49.760 I was like, I need to treat these guest stars 1:54:50.120 --> 1:54:52.080 like I've been treated so many times. 1:54:52.480 --> 1:54:53.360 Yeah, because it is. 1:54:53.320 --> 1:54:56.560 It's like it's not your set and you do usually 1:54:56.680 --> 1:54:57.280 have like. 1:54:58.720 --> 1:55:00.320 Something more emotional. 1:55:00.160 --> 1:55:03.000 Or and you're not in your environment and you're meeting 1:55:03.040 --> 1:55:04.800 all the people and the crew, and it's like it 1:55:04.920 --> 1:55:07.720 goes a long way. If someone is like I'm here 1:55:07.760 --> 1:55:10.400 for you, I see you, like I got you. If 1:55:10.400 --> 1:55:15.280 you need anything, you know, yeah. 1:55:14.320 --> 1:55:16.080 Yeah, I mean, I can't wait to watch this bad 1:55:16.160 --> 1:55:16.720 lunch show. 1:55:17.480 --> 1:55:18.400 I hope you like it. 1:55:18.560 --> 1:55:18.920 I do. 1:55:19.080 --> 1:55:19.840 It's a fun show. 1:55:20.480 --> 1:55:23.240 I mean, well because, yeah, Kara's been surprised at my 1:55:23.920 --> 1:55:25.280 descent into Mortal Kombat. 1:55:25.320 --> 1:55:26.040 But I need this. 1:55:26.320 --> 1:55:31.160 I actually combat like what in what form? Where you 1:55:31.200 --> 1:55:31.560 consume it? 1:55:31.680 --> 1:55:33.440 So the new movie came out, and I was like 1:55:33.520 --> 1:55:35.800 doing a gig in Vegas and I was just like 1:55:35.840 --> 1:55:38.320 alone in a strip mall, and I was like, I'll 1:55:38.360 --> 1:55:38.800 go see it? 1:55:38.840 --> 1:55:41.760 Why not? And then I was like this was fucking fun. 1:55:42.200 --> 1:55:43.720 And so then I came home and watched the other 1:55:43.800 --> 1:55:47.240 Mortal Kombat movies, started listening to the soundtrack, and now 1:55:47.320 --> 1:55:48.120 I didn't know what my. 1:55:48.080 --> 1:55:50.960 Next step was, but now I found it. 1:55:51.520 --> 1:55:54.240 Okay, So actually something that is really good for you 1:55:54.320 --> 1:55:57.360 to know. The movie that came up before this one 1:55:57.520 --> 1:55:59.040 came out a few years ago. The lead of it, 1:55:59.160 --> 1:56:00.920 Lewis tan Is in bad Lands. 1:56:01.000 --> 1:56:04.400 Okay, all right, fantastic, Okay. 1:56:03.880 --> 1:56:07.080 He's in the I think he's only in the Maybe 1:56:07.120 --> 1:56:07.960 he's in the third and fourth. 1:56:08.040 --> 1:56:09.320 Maybe he's only in the fourth season. 1:56:09.840 --> 1:56:11.920 I see him now, I see him, Okay, I see 1:56:11.960 --> 1:56:12.320 him now. 1:56:12.960 --> 1:56:13.200 Yeah. 1:56:13.240 --> 1:56:15.560 I had to scroll a little bit okay, fuck yeah, 1:56:16.040 --> 1:56:16.600 fuck yeah. 1:56:16.640 --> 1:56:18.760 And then now I have a fantasy of wanting to 1:56:18.840 --> 1:56:20.680 do that, like I want to do Mortal Kombat. 1:56:21.120 --> 1:56:21.760 You know what I mean. 1:56:21.920 --> 1:56:23.880 It seems so I want that for you. 1:56:23.880 --> 1:56:26.880 You should honestly take like you should like go do 1:56:27.000 --> 1:56:28.040 some martial arts. 1:56:28.560 --> 1:56:31.480 I would rather do boxing, like I have the gloves. Yeah, 1:56:31.520 --> 1:56:34.560 I feel like I but I'm about to start. 1:56:34.280 --> 1:56:36.440 That again because I do really having a good time. 1:56:37.080 --> 1:56:39.360 I'm just addicted to Soul Cycle in a way I can't. 1:56:39.520 --> 1:56:41.760 I love Soul Cycle too. Soul Cycle's great. 1:56:42.000 --> 1:56:44.040 Do you have stuff coming up ally that you want 1:56:44.160 --> 1:56:47.560 us to like promote or anything or not. 1:56:47.720 --> 1:56:52.040 At the moment, I think I just like the stuff 1:56:52.040 --> 1:56:53.240 that I'm directing and writing. 1:56:53.440 --> 1:56:57.560 Yeah, my shorts. Yea sacaphone when it comes out, Yeah, sacophone. 1:56:57.560 --> 1:56:58.880 And then you got to put it into like all 1:56:58.880 --> 1:57:02.840 the fests. Such a good name. Thank you, it's a 1:57:02.880 --> 1:57:03.520 good name. 1:57:03.960 --> 1:57:08.400 Second, thanks guys. 1:57:09.600 --> 1:57:11.600 She was really cool, and you know, she might be 1:57:11.600 --> 1:57:13.520 in my new favorite show, Into the bad Lands. 1:57:13.520 --> 1:57:15.200 We never know. We never know. 1:57:15.440 --> 1:57:17.760 You're gonna like learn fight choreography from her. But I 1:57:17.800 --> 1:57:19.280 want to be able to see her horror movie. 1:57:19.280 --> 1:57:21.200 I hope it's like a fast or something that I 1:57:21.200 --> 1:57:23.840 find actually Nico Carney. I mean again, we're in the 1:57:23.840 --> 1:57:26.760 time machine, but he's in a movie that I just 1:57:26.800 --> 1:57:29.400 bought a ticket to. I've been taking some random weekend 1:57:29.480 --> 1:57:32.440 nights off and the events reveal themselves to me. 1:57:33.000 --> 1:57:36.120 Okay, So like lasten the door and a window open. Yeah, 1:57:36.160 --> 1:57:38.280 like last week, I took the night off, not knowing 1:57:38.280 --> 1:57:39.040 what's gonna happen. 1:57:39.440 --> 1:57:42.080 I got invited to a fun dinner like by a chef, 1:57:42.160 --> 1:57:44.200 so then I got you know, special, and then karaoke 1:57:44.400 --> 1:57:48.040 all night. And then this Friday, I took off and 1:57:48.440 --> 1:57:52.040 some Nico posted that his movie's premiering at IFC, so 1:57:52.040 --> 1:57:53.800 I'm gonna go see it. 1:57:53.960 --> 1:57:58.920 Amazing. Yeah, it's called Oh my God, I have C needs. 1:57:59.160 --> 1:58:02.440 You also cannot buy uh movie ticket for a IFC 1:58:02.480 --> 1:58:07.480 center without like registering like I, and the password has 1:58:07.520 --> 1:58:10.720 to be twelve characters, like I f C, what are 1:58:10.720 --> 1:58:13.400 we running here? Like I can't just buy a ticket 1:58:13.440 --> 1:58:14.000 and now I can't. 1:58:14.000 --> 1:58:14.240 Okay. 1:58:14.280 --> 1:58:18.680 So it's called She's the He and Misha Ashvich is 1:58:18.720 --> 1:58:21.480 in it, and they were in Survival of the Thickest 1:58:21.520 --> 1:58:23.400 so I had met them, so I'm kind of excited. 1:58:23.400 --> 1:58:26.200 Whatever. So I'm gonna go to a movie and there's 1:58:26.280 --> 1:58:29.400 a Q and A and every single person in this 1:58:29.520 --> 1:58:32.760 cast looks so young and hot. Yeah, I'm going to 1:58:32.800 --> 1:58:35.280 a young car is in it? Oh my god. Cool. 1:58:35.320 --> 1:58:38.120 So yeah, I'm gonna see that in the time machine. 1:58:38.160 --> 1:58:42.160 And maybe when we're back, i'll let you know. I'm excited. 1:58:42.280 --> 1:58:47.160 She's the heat. Now that I've been in the independent 1:58:47.240 --> 1:58:50.840 movie world, I'm gonna go see you've got a support 1:58:50.960 --> 1:58:54.280 Yeah what a nightmare? Yeah? 1:58:53.000 --> 1:58:56.120 Yeah. Making movies is insane. 1:58:56.160 --> 1:58:57.960 It's just so many Like that's why I stand ups 1:58:57.960 --> 1:59:00.680 the best, Like you really don't need anything, I guess 1:59:00.720 --> 1:59:05.480 an audience, but like you don't need nothing with a movie. 1:59:05.520 --> 1:59:08.360 It's just like I can't. It's so many fucking people. 1:59:08.520 --> 1:59:10.920 It's a lot of miss it's a lot of moving parts. 1:59:11.400 --> 1:59:17.240 It really is. Yeah, but I'm gonna see She's the heat. Amazing. 1:59:17.440 --> 1:59:18.000 That's fun. 1:59:19.960 --> 1:59:22.640 The soups, this noup, and I want your favorite soaps 1:59:22.640 --> 1:59:22.960 as well. 1:59:23.080 --> 1:59:26.400 My favorite soap okay, my favorite soup okay. So I 1:59:26.440 --> 1:59:28.560 will say, first thing that comes to mind is like 1:59:28.600 --> 1:59:30.960 a tomato, but it had it's like specific, like it 1:59:31.000 --> 1:59:33.560 has to be like a specific, sort of like creamy 1:59:33.560 --> 1:59:35.720 tomato and that's why I loved the one at Cozy. 1:59:36.040 --> 1:59:37.680 Yeah, there's a place I love in the city. But 1:59:37.720 --> 1:59:40.360 their tomato soup is chunky, and I'm like, I don't 1:59:40.400 --> 1:59:41.880 actually need a vegetable in here. 1:59:42.160 --> 1:59:44.400 A chunky tomato soup that kind of tastes like I'm 1:59:44.400 --> 1:59:45.560 eating hot marinera. 1:59:45.640 --> 1:59:46.320 That's not for me. 1:59:46.560 --> 1:59:48.960 Like I like a creamy I guess maybe a bisk is. 1:59:49.000 --> 1:59:50.800 Like I don't really know what makes a bisk a bisk. 1:59:51.280 --> 1:59:53.840 But speaking of bisks, I love a fucking lobster bisk. 1:59:54.000 --> 1:59:55.640 I love a corn bisk. I mean, I love a 1:59:55.680 --> 1:59:58.839 corn chowder. I love a broccoli cheddar. So you mostly 1:59:58.920 --> 2:00:04.560 like a cream yeah, creamy anything with cream so corn. Also, 2:00:04.720 --> 2:00:07.480 I also like a French onions. I mean French onion 2:00:07.560 --> 2:00:09.560 is one of those soups where I'm like, don't tell 2:00:09.560 --> 2:00:10.960 me that you made it with a beef broth, you 2:00:11.000 --> 2:00:12.480 know what I mean? Like, if if you can, if 2:00:12.480 --> 2:00:14.600 I can find one with like a vegetable broth, amazing, 2:00:14.680 --> 2:00:16.880 But I love it so much I can kind of 2:00:16.920 --> 2:00:17.440 look past. 2:00:17.720 --> 2:00:20.400 But I do like a brothy soup. 2:00:20.440 --> 2:00:22.520 It's just so few of them are made with like 2:00:22.560 --> 2:00:24.160 a vegetable broth, you know what I mean, Like I 2:00:24.200 --> 2:00:24.360 like a. 2:00:24.400 --> 2:00:27.400 Vegetable soup the issue, yeah, because I like overall my 2:00:27.480 --> 2:00:30.919 mom makes the best chicken noodle, like chicken like yeah, 2:00:30.960 --> 2:00:34.440 like she gets those bones and she's making these soups 2:00:34.480 --> 2:00:37.640 and like I love a chicken noodle a matza boat 2:00:37.720 --> 2:00:41.240 like that for sure is culturally inside of me. But like, no, 2:00:41.320 --> 2:00:44.720 I want a fucking creamy clam chowder or a baby 2:00:44.880 --> 2:00:45.400 like I can't. 2:00:45.280 --> 2:00:47.240 Believe I forgot New England clam chowder. I was waiting 2:00:47.240 --> 2:00:48.640 for you to finish about your mom, and I was like, 2:00:48.760 --> 2:00:49.320 I actually am. 2:00:49.400 --> 2:00:51.080 I love that clam child. 2:00:51.120 --> 2:00:54.360 The texture of a clam I like in this chowder, 2:00:54.520 --> 2:00:56.200 but I didn't know about okay, Like I worked at 2:00:56.280 --> 2:01:01.840 Chicago Joe's in Chicago obviously so yes for a long 2:01:01.880 --> 2:01:03.839 time and that's where I learned a lot about soups 2:01:03.960 --> 2:01:06.280 and like Fridays I think was clam chowder and it 2:01:06.480 --> 2:01:07.760 changed my life. 2:01:08.800 --> 2:01:11.400 Did they have clemchowder in a bread bowl at Chicago Joe's. 2:01:12.120 --> 2:01:14.560 No, it was like a real restaurant, but we did 2:01:14.600 --> 2:01:17.080 have always on our specials. 2:01:19.320 --> 2:01:23.120 That feels so shady. Well, I used to go to 2:01:23.120 --> 2:01:25.040 this place called Joe's American Bar and Grill, and there 2:01:25.120 --> 2:01:26.760 was still one. Oh, I've been there. 2:01:26.800 --> 2:01:29.640 I went with you, Yeah, on Newberry Street, and there 2:01:29.680 --> 2:01:32.000 was one in the town, the mall near my college, 2:01:32.440 --> 2:01:34.680 and we would like splurge and go have clam chowder 2:01:34.720 --> 2:01:36.280 in a bread bowl C C and a BB we 2:01:36.320 --> 2:01:36.880 would call it. 2:01:37.360 --> 2:01:39.800 And I but that was a real. 2:01:39.680 --> 2:01:41.560 Restaurant, so it was, and I went and I loved it. 2:01:41.600 --> 2:01:43.280 To me, it's just so Panera. I've never seen it 2:01:43.280 --> 2:01:46.360 outside of Panera except you're right, that makes sense, that 2:01:46.400 --> 2:01:48.440 makes sense. But I think bread bulls should be everywhere 2:01:48.480 --> 2:01:50.040 at all times, and if it was an option, I 2:01:50.040 --> 2:01:52.600 would be getting them. But no, we just had little, 2:01:52.640 --> 2:01:56.080 tiny bowls and like I just loved I loved it 2:01:56.240 --> 2:01:57.240 so fucking much. 2:01:57.600 --> 2:01:59.080 But yeah, and a bread ball. 2:01:59.080 --> 2:02:01.560 It feels like the most sustainable thing you can do. 2:02:01.600 --> 2:02:03.640 Just eat your whole bowl, Like just get rid of 2:02:03.640 --> 2:02:06.040 the whole thing, you know, Like it feels like you're 2:02:06.080 --> 2:02:07.640 lowering your carbon footprint every time. 2:02:07.560 --> 2:02:08.320 You eat clym ches. 2:02:08.320 --> 2:02:10.480 Well, I think I've mentioned this at least twenty times 2:02:10.480 --> 2:02:12.640 on this podcast. But my niece when she was younger, 2:02:13.120 --> 2:02:14.200 but not that young, because. 2:02:14.000 --> 2:02:15.320 It's not that old of a thing. 2:02:15.400 --> 2:02:17.840 But she would put the Panera mac and cheese in 2:02:17.880 --> 2:02:22.080 the bread bowl. Oh, really taking it, taking it to 2:02:22.160 --> 2:02:24.720 the max, taking it to the extra, taking it. 2:02:25.040 --> 2:02:26.160 To the extreme. 2:02:27.320 --> 2:02:31.080 But yeah, I love a creamy soup so much, tomato soup. 2:02:31.160 --> 2:02:32.760 I need a girl cheese like I don't think I 2:02:32.760 --> 2:02:35.120 would ever. And then I love the little mandols. I 2:02:35.160 --> 2:02:37.960 love these soup croutons. I would drink them as a child. 2:02:38.240 --> 2:02:41.440 Ooh, I actually have a tomato soup and girl cheese 2:02:41.520 --> 2:02:43.480 recipe to make tonight for dinner. 2:02:43.640 --> 2:02:46.600 That's what I'm gonna have. You just reminded me that 2:02:46.680 --> 2:02:49.840 was in my fridge. It feels weird now to get 2:02:49.880 --> 2:02:52.560 into like a post mortem. No, but I also hate 2:02:52.600 --> 2:02:54.480 campus rape. But I we're talking about soup. 2:02:54.560 --> 2:02:56.600 But when people like and we just made this long 2:02:56.800 --> 2:02:59.320 soup discussion, but I hate when people are like, soups 2:02:59.320 --> 2:03:01.640 are my favorite food and all any actually it's Julia's 2:03:01.640 --> 2:03:04.040 fair food. Like people that are always making soups for 2:03:04.080 --> 2:03:06.400 the week and eating little soups with lentils in it. 2:03:06.480 --> 2:03:09.560 I don't trust them, and I don't like it kidney beans, 2:03:09.760 --> 2:03:10.440 you know what I mean? 2:03:10.560 --> 2:03:13.360 Like, I don't like that pre batching soup Nah, you're 2:03:13.400 --> 2:03:14.040 not down for them. 2:03:14.120 --> 2:03:17.840 No, I don't like. I don't like I don't like 2:03:17.920 --> 2:03:20.240 beans in a soup. I think that's my It took 2:03:20.320 --> 2:03:21.160 me a second. 2:03:20.840 --> 2:03:22.880 To get there. I don't like bees. 2:03:23.120 --> 2:03:26.520 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't like that. Whereas I 2:03:26.640 --> 2:03:27.720 like that, I'm down. 2:03:28.760 --> 2:03:31.080 But yeah, if you ever order like a tortilla soup 2:03:31.080 --> 2:03:33.120 and then it's just like hunks of black beans and 2:03:33.200 --> 2:03:34.080 it's disgusting. 2:03:36.640 --> 2:03:38.400 I don't think I've ever had tortilla soup though, to 2:03:38.400 --> 2:03:39.360 be honest, maybe. 2:03:39.120 --> 2:03:39.640 I should try. 2:03:39.720 --> 2:03:41.680 Oh you have you been? Have you had the soup 2:03:41.720 --> 2:03:46.080 at Olive Garden with those little they have little puffy 2:03:46.120 --> 2:03:48.720 things in it, Like I've never been to an Olive Garden. 2:03:48.880 --> 2:03:52.520 Really? No, Oh, I think you would love it. 2:03:53.280 --> 2:03:56.040 Yeah, I think it would be your favorite restaurant. 2:03:56.400 --> 2:03:59.480 I mean I think like when I was growing up, there. 2:03:59.400 --> 2:04:01.240 Was a place called tu Cheese that was kind of 2:04:01.280 --> 2:04:04.400 like Connecticut and Massachusetts that's very similar to Olive Garden, 2:04:04.440 --> 2:04:06.640 and I loved Bertue Cheese, So I probably would love 2:04:06.640 --> 2:04:07.240 Olive Garden. 2:04:07.480 --> 2:04:14.160 It's the zupa toscano and it just has little pillows, 2:04:14.640 --> 2:04:19.040 but it's not like chunks of bread. Honestly, I can't 2:04:19.040 --> 2:04:20.960 believe how hard. No, it's not chunks of bread, it's 2:04:21.000 --> 2:04:23.200 little Ravioli's. I can't believe this is so hard for me. 2:04:23.320 --> 2:04:26.720 Oh like, where is the fuck like for me? I 2:04:26.720 --> 2:04:30.400 think Google punishes me because I do minus ai wow, 2:04:30.560 --> 2:04:32.440 because I'm trying to look at a restaurant menu. 2:04:32.480 --> 2:04:33.880 I have to put in a zip code for what? 2:04:34.600 --> 2:04:36.120 For what? Oh wow? 2:04:36.160 --> 2:04:37.920 If you actually, if you look this up, A lot 2:04:37.960 --> 2:04:40.680 of places have ways to make it. The recipe is 2:04:40.720 --> 2:04:44.800 like all over different kick like websites of how to 2:04:44.800 --> 2:04:46.120 make zupa Tuscana. 2:04:46.560 --> 2:04:49.080 That's not what I thought. Maybe it's the yeah, Italian dumplings. 2:04:49.120 --> 2:04:51.200 Dumplings is the word. I was like, okay, yeah, so 2:04:51.320 --> 2:04:52.880 it's the chicken and theoki. So you can't have it 2:04:52.880 --> 2:04:55.360 a creamy soup with roasted chicken, Italian dumplings and spinach. 2:04:55.400 --> 2:04:57.160 I love it, but like, I. 2:04:57.080 --> 2:05:00.160 Don't know, maybe your your palate has grown because it's 2:05:00.160 --> 2:05:00.919 so much nostalgia. 2:05:00.920 --> 2:05:02.840 I don't think I would even like Olivar. But it's 2:05:02.880 --> 2:05:06.960 like I just loved Trimp Scamp. I liked, I loved it, 2:05:07.040 --> 2:05:09.280 I loved I loved being there. And then when I 2:05:09.280 --> 2:05:11.480 opened for Nikki on the Road, like a long long 2:05:11.480 --> 2:05:13.240 time ago, we would go for lunch and she would 2:05:13.320 --> 2:05:16.760 just we would get the like soup, salad, breadstick lunch. 2:05:17.400 --> 2:05:19.720 Yeah, no, I just and then like when I lived 2:05:19.720 --> 2:05:21.400 in New York for eleven years, like it was in 2:05:21.440 --> 2:05:23.640 Times Square, you know, like I wasn't really like going 2:05:23.680 --> 2:05:26.960 to Times Square to eat, and then now I live here, 2:05:27.000 --> 2:05:28.600 I don't even know where you know where one is, 2:05:28.760 --> 2:05:30.120 so it's just been like not around me. 2:05:30.160 --> 2:05:32.560 I don't have anything against it. It feels weird to 2:05:32.600 --> 2:05:36.600 try to encourage you to go. It's just like funny 2:05:36.600 --> 2:05:39.040 because I do think like you would love it. 2:05:39.440 --> 2:05:42.080 Well, I'm about to drive cross country and maybe I'll 2:05:42.080 --> 2:05:44.360 take my kids to Olive Garden because Rosie does fucking 2:05:44.400 --> 2:05:47.160 love pasta, so I'm sure. And she loves breadsticks like 2:05:47.240 --> 2:05:47.959 any place. 2:05:47.760 --> 2:05:51.360 That has big breadsticks. She goes bread sticks like she'll 2:05:51.400 --> 2:05:51.800 eat like. 2:05:52.320 --> 2:05:54.200 They come in a bag and then they kind of 2:05:54.280 --> 2:05:57.640 souv them in the bag and boiling water. 2:05:57.920 --> 2:05:59.480 Like it's not real food. 2:06:00.040 --> 2:06:01.640 But like that's what I wrote a request for my 2:06:01.680 --> 2:06:04.880 birthday for years until I realized I can get more 2:06:04.920 --> 2:06:10.200 expensive things, but i'llive go like the raspberry swirl cheese. Hey, 2:06:10.280 --> 2:06:12.720 like I requested Alive Garden every year for my birthday 2:06:12.760 --> 2:06:16.040 for at least like six years. Damn, I loved it. 2:06:16.360 --> 2:06:18.560 And the red lobster was in the same parking lot, 2:06:18.760 --> 2:06:21.600 like and I met that wasn't he didn't even cross 2:06:21.720 --> 2:06:24.480 my mind to go, yeah, I loved. 2:06:24.560 --> 2:06:25.400 I loved Bertucci. 2:06:25.440 --> 2:06:27.680 I wonder if I don't know if Bertuccies is still around, 2:06:28.280 --> 2:06:33.760 but okay, I guess. Basically though, to wrap up this episode, 2:06:34.320 --> 2:06:36.960 it's it's don't go to We had a big we 2:06:37.080 --> 2:06:38.840 kind of had a big talk about it at the 2:06:38.960 --> 2:06:45.320 end of the recap, like it is just frustrating because 2:06:45.440 --> 2:06:47.720 people don't false report a lot, and then if there 2:06:47.800 --> 2:06:50.240 is any story that is not like perfect, it's like 2:06:50.360 --> 2:06:52.400 see you know, and I think that. 2:06:52.800 --> 2:06:55.360 Well, it's just like if that's fine, do the sea, 2:06:55.560 --> 2:06:59.040 but then admit that you're all rapists, Like it's not fair, 2:07:00.360 --> 2:07:03.760 Like we like a false accusation represents everyone, but a 2:07:03.880 --> 2:07:07.360 rapist doesn't represent everyone. Yeah, so it's like if you 2:07:07.360 --> 2:07:09.240 think we're all lying bitches, then at least admit you're 2:07:09.240 --> 2:07:11.240 all rapists. Like I'm fine to play that game if 2:07:11.280 --> 2:07:12.320 you want, you know what I mean? 2:07:12.880 --> 2:07:14.760 And then why are we even why is anybody even 2:07:14.800 --> 2:07:17.120 messing with any on the other side, if everybody's rapist 2:07:17.200 --> 2:07:18.960 and everybody's lying. 2:07:19.160 --> 2:07:23.600 Like just leave each other alone. Yeah, they just can't. 2:07:23.840 --> 2:07:27.040 It's like it's really Oh wait, did I tell you 2:07:27.040 --> 2:07:30.520 about the strip club thing? So I was hanging out 2:07:30.520 --> 2:07:32.080 with someone from Canada, and I've been thinking about this 2:07:32.120 --> 2:07:34.160 a long time because they're loonies into like they're one. 2:07:34.000 --> 2:07:35.240 And two dollars or coins. 2:07:35.600 --> 2:07:37.760 Yeah, yeah, yeah, So I've just been thinking, how does 2:07:37.800 --> 2:07:41.600 strip clubs work with the coins? So I finally was like, wait, dude, 2:07:41.640 --> 2:07:44.240 you're in Canada. How do people go to strip clubs 2:07:44.240 --> 2:07:46.480 with the coins? So he says, you slide them, and 2:07:46.520 --> 2:07:48.160 it's kind of a thing, and so like people just 2:07:48.200 --> 2:07:50.160 slide the coins, but I go even picking them up 2:07:50.200 --> 2:07:51.800 as hard, like how do you pick up the coin? 2:07:51.880 --> 2:07:54.840 Like do you have like a crumber? Like it's just 2:07:54.880 --> 2:07:56.360 like just kind of a thing. 2:07:56.440 --> 2:07:59.160 And then he was saying that like sometimes the girls 2:07:59.160 --> 2:08:01.680 will grab posters of themselves and then make it into 2:08:01.680 --> 2:08:03.760 a funnel and then put it in their pussy and 2:08:03.760 --> 2:08:06.920 then everyone's throw like throws coins. But then he says 2:08:07.640 --> 2:08:11.000 some people will heat the coin up with a lighter 2:08:11.360 --> 2:08:13.240 to try to burn the girls. 2:08:14.520 --> 2:08:16.360 Okay, well that person should be on a list. 2:08:16.520 --> 2:08:18.320 No they get I go, do they get kicked out? 2:08:18.360 --> 2:08:20.400 He goes, no, of course, and I go, but who 2:08:20.440 --> 2:08:22.040 would even do that? He goes, yeah, men just can't 2:08:22.040 --> 2:08:25.120 have nice things. And it's just like what the fuck? 2:08:25.320 --> 2:08:26.760 But this is what I'm talking about. It's just like 2:08:27.000 --> 2:08:29.000 you're at a strip club. You get to throw it 2:08:29.120 --> 2:08:31.680 like in a funnel, in a pussy, and you then 2:08:31.760 --> 2:08:32.400 have to burn her. 2:08:32.600 --> 2:08:33.800 Like I don't understand. 2:08:33.960 --> 2:08:38.240 It's like it's never a no, crazy, it's never so 2:08:38.880 --> 2:08:42.520 ugh yeah, because this happens in like porn too, where 2:08:42.520 --> 2:08:44.560 like you'll read like the girls like these are my limits, 2:08:44.560 --> 2:08:45.960 and then everyone knows the limits, and then someone will 2:08:45.960 --> 2:08:47.880 try to break the limits and it's like, but there's 2:08:47.960 --> 2:08:49.760 all these things you could do, like why are you 2:08:49.800 --> 2:08:51.840 trying to do the thing that's a no? Like it 2:08:52.040 --> 2:08:54.120 just doesn't make sense to me. But I was like, 2:08:54.200 --> 2:08:56.200 it's horrified by the bird because that hurt, Like what 2:08:56.240 --> 2:08:56.720 the fuck? 2:08:56.800 --> 2:08:59.440 It's crazy to me. There shouldn't be coins like Canada 2:08:59.600 --> 2:08:59.920 so can. 2:09:00.440 --> 2:09:02.440 I mean, Like it's like we just read Yesteryear where 2:09:02.440 --> 2:09:04.760 they're like when she comes to the realization, she's like 2:09:04.800 --> 2:09:08.240 this country hates women and it's like, but Canada. I 2:09:08.240 --> 2:09:10.839 didn't think Canadians, but you know, it's all It's everywhere. 2:09:11.000 --> 2:09:14.920 Jaselle Pellicot was in France. I mean, come on, it's everywhere. 2:09:15.320 --> 2:09:21.720 Also, listen to rape Advisor, like try to tell the truth, yeah, 2:09:22.240 --> 2:09:24.520 and it's the matter, details don't matter, and it's like 2:09:24.920 --> 2:09:26.680 and you're the rape out of it, like you should 2:09:26.680 --> 2:09:27.080 be fired. 2:09:27.600 --> 2:09:27.960 Yeah. 2:09:28.520 --> 2:09:31.200 And I think also this like a big, a big 2:09:31.240 --> 2:09:33.520 takeaway for me from this episode, from my research too, 2:09:33.680 --> 2:09:37.760 is like we really need good journalism is important, and 2:09:37.880 --> 2:09:41.240 like journalism that is like fully vetted and like everyone's 2:09:41.280 --> 2:09:44.120 asking the right questions and doing the right and when 2:09:44.160 --> 2:09:48.560 there's like takeovers at CBS and there's agendas and stuff 2:09:48.560 --> 2:09:50.240 like that, I just feel like we're gonna get even 2:09:50.280 --> 2:09:54.000 more and more like weird reporting and misreporting and slanted reporting. 2:09:54.120 --> 2:09:55.480 So it sucks. 2:09:55.560 --> 2:10:00.520 But I Fuckberry Wise, like fuck that bit witch, Fuck 2:10:00.600 --> 2:10:04.680 that bitch, and fuck anyone that like allowed it to 2:10:04.720 --> 2:10:08.200 get this far with her, you know, like I mean 2:10:08.240 --> 2:10:10.400 with all of them, but it's like, at least with 2:10:10.480 --> 2:10:12.640 the rest of them, they like they know that they're bad. 2:10:12.720 --> 2:10:15.240 But like I felt with her, it was like she's cool, 2:10:15.400 --> 2:10:17.600 she's small, you know, like there was just this defense 2:10:17.680 --> 2:10:20.080 in like something about her. 2:10:20.960 --> 2:10:21.360 Yeah. 2:10:22.000 --> 2:10:24.280 I mean the fact of the matter is, like, thinking 2:10:24.280 --> 2:10:26.400 about this bitch that did such a bad job at 2:10:26.400 --> 2:10:28.960 her article, it's like we do we we do more 2:10:29.040 --> 2:10:30.080 due diligence than her. 2:10:30.680 --> 2:10:33.280 Yeah, I at least make sure a few different sources 2:10:33.280 --> 2:10:34.080 say the same thing. 2:10:34.200 --> 2:10:37.080 Yeah. Yeah, or if it's a bad source, I go listen. 2:10:37.400 --> 2:10:40.360 This is the New York Persons from a blog. This 2:10:40.400 --> 2:10:41.520 is from something weird. 2:10:41.680 --> 2:10:44.160 I don't know, Like I don't like us as a 2:10:44.200 --> 2:10:47.920 podcast should not have more integrity and research than like 2:10:48.440 --> 2:10:49.480 full journalists. 2:10:49.480 --> 2:10:50.040 Like we're not. 2:10:49.960 --> 2:10:52.040 Gonna be just like it's just like the way the 2:10:52.080 --> 2:10:55.320 cops will go into something going, I know this is 2:10:55.360 --> 2:10:58.320 the truth, and I'm gonna make my whole investigation slant 2:10:58.360 --> 2:10:59.280 towards this truth. 2:11:00.080 --> 2:11:01.839 That's kind of what she did with this article. 2:11:01.960 --> 2:11:05.440 Even though absolutely there are probably rapes happening on that campus, 2:11:05.480 --> 2:11:08.720 and there's absolutely victims and something probably did maybe happen 2:11:08.760 --> 2:11:12.040 to this girl, But like, you can't build an entire 2:11:12.120 --> 2:11:15.000 story based on a witness that you like did not 2:11:15.200 --> 2:11:17.040 vet and like you did not check out her story, 2:11:17.080 --> 2:11:20.040 and there were some easy easy mistakes that you could 2:11:20.080 --> 2:11:21.320 have grabbed, you know. 2:11:21.960 --> 2:11:23.280 But whatever. 2:11:24.600 --> 2:11:28.640 But like I remember taking journalism in high school, and 2:11:28.640 --> 2:11:33.560 I would say, all those lessons are no longer relevant. Really, Yeah, 2:11:33.600 --> 2:11:35.000 we talked about it like it used to be like 2:11:35.040 --> 2:11:37.760 the inverted pyramid, right, Like you would do the most important. 2:11:37.840 --> 2:11:39.720 You would get all the details out as soon as 2:11:39.800 --> 2:11:41.560 possible because you're reading the news and you want to 2:11:41.560 --> 2:11:43.800 give people the info. And then it'd go tinier and 2:11:43.840 --> 2:11:47.160 tinier details all because they have like click economy and stuff. 2:11:47.240 --> 2:11:49.720 It's like bah bah bah and you're like what and 2:11:49.720 --> 2:11:51.320 then you're like trying to find. 2:11:51.120 --> 2:11:54.560 A fact, and it's like where is the true where 2:11:54.600 --> 2:11:56.560 is the news? Why are you not giving me the 2:11:56.600 --> 2:11:57.640 details of the fire? 2:11:57.760 --> 2:11:58.520 Like why? Yeah? 2:11:58.560 --> 2:12:01.120 Like there you're It's like the article will start out 2:12:01.360 --> 2:12:02.680 it was a cold day in September. 2:12:02.680 --> 2:12:04.120 You're like no, no, no, no, no, this is a 2:12:04.160 --> 2:12:05.200 news article, not. 2:12:05.120 --> 2:12:07.120 Like a Vanity Fair profile, Like I just tell me 2:12:07.160 --> 2:12:08.120 where the fire happened. 2:12:08.200 --> 2:12:08.400 Yeah. 2:12:08.560 --> 2:12:12.000 So I guess when I say everything is irrelevant, it's 2:12:12.040 --> 2:12:12.760 just this one thing. 2:12:12.760 --> 2:12:13.280 I remember. 2:12:15.280 --> 2:12:18.160 I was like, what's wrong? Like the lead like writing 2:12:18.160 --> 2:12:19.480 a good headline, subheads? 2:12:19.480 --> 2:12:21.760 What do you mean? Well, just neverted pyramid. 2:12:23.000 --> 2:12:25.200 I took journalism all through high school because if you 2:12:25.200 --> 2:12:27.160 wanted to work on the student newspaper, you had to 2:12:27.200 --> 2:12:31.520 take news publication every every quarter a semester. Yeah, so 2:12:31.640 --> 2:12:35.360 I was like always taking it. But you know, and 2:12:35.400 --> 2:12:37.480 I worked on my college newspaper too. God, I really 2:12:37.480 --> 2:12:39.200 thought I was going to be a journalist at some point. 2:12:39.240 --> 2:12:41.360 Maybe I am. I'm a podcaster now. 2:12:41.560 --> 2:12:45.200 I mean investigative journalism is fucking cool, Like it's an admira, 2:12:45.600 --> 2:12:48.280 Like I love reading these long ass pieces that take 2:12:48.440 --> 2:12:52.080 so much time. I like watching movies about newspaper stuff. 2:12:52.080 --> 2:12:53.880 I still haven't seen Spotlight. I gotta do that. 2:12:54.560 --> 2:13:01.040 But Spotlight's so good. But like I I admire it. 2:13:01.160 --> 2:13:04.960 I don't know, it's like cool, and it's patients, which 2:13:05.000 --> 2:13:07.800 is something I don't really have, and so that's like 2:13:07.960 --> 2:13:09.360 and like secrets, I don't know. 2:13:10.000 --> 2:13:11.760 Yeah, totally, I would love it. 2:13:12.200 --> 2:13:15.040 Okay, so let's get into our what would Sister Peg do? 2:13:15.200 --> 2:13:17.960 This is our weekly segment where we direct you to 2:13:18.080 --> 2:13:21.200 an organization, an article, a documentary, something to give you 2:13:21.240 --> 2:13:24.200 more information about what we talked about in today's episode. 2:13:24.240 --> 2:13:28.720 And we recommended this organization after we did porn Star's Requiem, 2:13:28.760 --> 2:13:31.160 but that was like episode eleven of the podcast, so 2:13:31.160 --> 2:13:34.360 we're bringing it back. It's called end Rape on Campus, 2:13:35.160 --> 2:13:38.120 as the name clearly indicates. They're working to end campus 2:13:38.120 --> 2:13:41.560 sexual violence through direct support for survivors and their communities, 2:13:41.880 --> 2:13:45.320 prevention through education, and policy reform at the campus, local, state, 2:13:45.320 --> 2:13:48.879 and federal levels. 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