WEBVTT - Patty Hearst: Brainwashed or Bandit? 0:00:01.120 --> 0:00:03.520 Welcome to Stuff you should Know, a production of five 0:00:03.600 --> 0:00:12.559 Heart Radios How Stuff Works. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. 0:00:12.600 --> 0:00:15.560 I'm Josh Clark and there's Charles w Chuck Bryan over there, 0:00:16.200 --> 0:00:19.400 and uh, this is stuff you should know. Just the 0:00:19.440 --> 0:00:22.040 two of us, Me and Chuck are gonna make it 0:00:22.239 --> 0:00:26.840 if we try, just the two of us, he and I. Man, Now, 0:00:26.880 --> 0:00:28.720 I wish we were doing a show on Bill Withers. 0:00:29.240 --> 0:00:33.760 Is that a Bill Withers song? What I mean? I 0:00:33.760 --> 0:00:35.519 I guess I can hear his voice now that you 0:00:35.600 --> 0:00:37.920 say that, But that's not the song I think of 0:00:37.960 --> 0:00:40.720 when I think Bill Withers. You know, what do you 0:00:40.720 --> 0:00:45.600 think on? Lean On Me? No? The theme song to Annie? Oh? Sure, 0:00:45.680 --> 0:00:49.239 song will come out tomorrow. Yeah, that's the one, right, 0:00:50.200 --> 0:00:55.000 good song. I love that Antie soundtrack. It's so good man. Hey, 0:00:55.320 --> 0:01:00.280 have I mentioned in Nola Holmes? Uh? You have? Well 0:01:01.520 --> 0:01:04.759 yet I haven't seen it yet, So good dude. Did 0:01:04.800 --> 0:01:08.520 you see the Challenger documentary? I have not seen that 0:01:08.360 --> 0:01:12.720 and it's hard to watch. Yeah. I've been watching horror 0:01:12.760 --> 0:01:15.000 movies because this October is kind of the month where 0:01:15.000 --> 0:01:16.560 I get it pass to do that on my own 0:01:16.920 --> 0:01:20.080 October more like sho October. You know what I mean, right? 0:01:20.640 --> 0:01:23.160 I finally watched the Rob Zombie movie. Never seen any 0:01:23.160 --> 0:01:26.440 of those before. I started at the beginning and did 0:01:26.600 --> 0:01:29.800 House of a Thousand Corpses. What do you think? It 0:01:29.920 --> 0:01:31.920 was good? It was just exactly what I thought it 0:01:31.920 --> 0:01:35.360 would be, which is sort of a Texas Chainsaw masaker 0:01:35.520 --> 0:01:40.160 like story. But you could you could feel his enthusiasm 0:01:40.200 --> 0:01:43.440 for filmmaking. I liked it for sure. Um, when's the 0:01:43.480 --> 0:01:47.000 last time you saw the original Texas Chainsaw Massacre? I 0:01:47.040 --> 0:01:49.160 saw it last year for the very first time. Believe 0:01:49.160 --> 0:01:52.280 it or not. Oh my, I think we talked about that. Fine. 0:01:52.840 --> 0:01:54.800 Scared the pants off of me. And it's so good 0:01:54.840 --> 0:01:58.280 if it's weird, because it keeps getting better. I remember 0:01:58.320 --> 0:02:00.200 being a teenager and the first time I saw and 0:02:00.200 --> 0:02:02.760 I was like, why what is this? And then the 0:02:02.800 --> 0:02:04.040 next time I thought, I was like, oh, this is 0:02:04.040 --> 0:02:06.000 actually pretty good, and then the last time I saw it, 0:02:06.000 --> 0:02:07.880 I was like, I just want to sit around and 0:02:07.880 --> 0:02:11.960 watch this all the time. Stone cold Classic. So, speaking 0:02:12.000 --> 0:02:15.040 of stone cold classics, I got a stone Cold Classic, 0:02:15.360 --> 0:02:20.360 which a what true crime question case for you, Chuck? 0:02:20.919 --> 0:02:27.600 What's the question? The question is? This? Was Petty Hurst 0:02:28.840 --> 0:02:36.639 a brainwashed hostage who carried out violent crimes for fear 0:02:36.680 --> 0:02:44.200 of her life. Or was she a spoiled rich kid 0:02:44.520 --> 0:02:49.600 who was basically who turned thrilled seeker to the nth degree. 0:02:51.000 --> 0:02:54.840 You know what, I don't know. I mean part of 0:02:54.880 --> 0:03:01.919 me thinks that she did flip and was radicalized. But 0:03:02.120 --> 0:03:03.600 I don't know, man. I mean, I don't think it's 0:03:03.639 --> 0:03:07.920 super clear either way. No, and I I'm in the 0:03:07.960 --> 0:03:10.280 same boat as you. I feel like I lean a 0:03:10.320 --> 0:03:13.079 little more towards radicalized. And there's a couple of things 0:03:13.080 --> 0:03:16.000 that it's just like I can't get past that. Yeah, 0:03:16.000 --> 0:03:17.640 I think I know one of them. But I think 0:03:17.960 --> 0:03:21.480 I think that she became radicalized initially out of fear 0:03:21.560 --> 0:03:24.000 for her life. Um. And it's really hard to discount 0:03:24.040 --> 0:03:27.160 what happened to her initially that got her absolutely And 0:03:27.200 --> 0:03:29.560 I think Jimmy Carter has the most sensible take on 0:03:29.600 --> 0:03:31.960 the whole thing. So we'll get into all this For 0:03:32.000 --> 0:03:33.440 those of you who don't know what we're talking about. 0:03:33.440 --> 0:03:37.120 We're talking about Patty Hurst. And Patty Hurst was the 0:03:37.240 --> 0:03:41.640 granddaughter of William Randolph Hurst, whose name might sound familiar. Um, 0:03:41.680 --> 0:03:44.880 he was the publishing magnate I think a radio guy 0:03:44.960 --> 0:03:49.040 too write I think it was yeah radio, but you know, 0:03:49.240 --> 0:03:53.760 very much well known for his newspaper, his string of newspapers, 0:03:53.880 --> 0:03:56.560 and um, he was a bit of a politico, a kingmaker, 0:03:56.920 --> 0:04:01.000 incredibly mind bogglingly wealthy. He was the model for Citizen Kane, 0:04:01.040 --> 0:04:06.320 I believe right. Um. And he had basically established this 0:04:06.440 --> 0:04:10.480 media empire um in the first half of the twentieth century. 0:04:10.520 --> 0:04:12.000 And he had a son. He had a son named 0:04:12.080 --> 0:04:17.840 Randy Hurst, no joke, Randall Hurst, not William Randolph her sorry, 0:04:17.960 --> 0:04:21.240 Randolph Hurst. And they called him Randy. And Randy had 0:04:21.279 --> 0:04:24.280 a daughter. He was brought up like a very wealthy guy. 0:04:24.279 --> 0:04:26.599 But um, he was also brought up to take over 0:04:26.640 --> 0:04:31.040 the family business. And he had by nineteen fifty four, 0:04:31.320 --> 0:04:36.839 I think when a daughter arrived to Randy and his wife, UM, Catherine, 0:04:37.440 --> 0:04:42.360 and they named their kid Patty or Patricia Hurst. That's right, 0:04:42.480 --> 0:04:47.159 Patricia Campbell. And she was what you would think, she 0:04:47.240 --> 0:04:51.840 was born into an heiress. She was born a rich kid. Uh. 0:04:51.880 --> 0:04:55.920 It's funny to think about, like in today's terms, UM, 0:04:55.920 --> 0:04:58.279 plenty of people to pick from, but like if you 0:04:58.279 --> 0:05:02.480 could imagine Paris Hilton, uh robbing a bank with a 0:05:02.520 --> 0:05:06.160 machine gun, right, that's that's kind of a good analog 0:05:06.800 --> 0:05:10.279 to who Patricia Hurst was back then. Yeah, that's that's 0:05:10.279 --> 0:05:13.960 actually really good. Although you you you could say she's 0:05:14.800 --> 0:05:17.159 quite quite a bit more low key, or she was 0:05:17.200 --> 0:05:20.360 at the time. Like by the time she was nineteen, 0:05:20.440 --> 0:05:23.239 she was living in San Francisco or the Bay Area, 0:05:23.279 --> 0:05:26.040 I should say, attending you see, Berkeley, So I guess 0:05:26.040 --> 0:05:28.159 she was living in Berkeley, because that's not necessarily that 0:05:28.240 --> 0:05:31.400 she wasn't exactly Paris Hilton, if if we're being honest, 0:05:31.440 --> 0:05:32.760 But she was just like but as far as the 0:05:32.760 --> 0:05:36.960 famous heiress in the United States, yeah, so yeah, yeah, 0:05:37.120 --> 0:05:39.520 but also living this quiet life. She was nineteen, she 0:05:39.600 --> 0:05:43.240 was engaged to a guy named Stephen weed Um who 0:05:43.320 --> 0:05:45.440 was like a Catholic high school teacher. I think he 0:05:45.520 --> 0:05:48.359 was twenty six or something and um studying art history 0:05:48.360 --> 0:05:50.400 and going to school and just kind of living life, 0:05:50.440 --> 0:05:54.640 you know. But yeah, she really she was right, especially 0:05:54.680 --> 0:06:00.960 in Berkeley in the stee so um she she but 0:06:01.080 --> 0:06:03.719 she was like mind boggling wealth and she was going 0:06:03.760 --> 0:06:05.960 to inherit all this and she was famous for being 0:06:05.960 --> 0:06:09.080 an heiress, right, and so just a few days before 0:06:09.080 --> 0:06:15.640 her twentieth birthday, on February fourth, I think right, mm hm, 0:06:16.520 --> 0:06:18.559 there was a knock on her door, like nine pm. 0:06:18.600 --> 0:06:21.120 It was a Monday night, and I actually I don't 0:06:21.120 --> 0:06:22.719 even know if they knocked or else, if they just 0:06:22.760 --> 0:06:27.120 came bursting in, but UM three people who turned out 0:06:27.120 --> 0:06:30.120 to be members of what very few people had heard 0:06:30.120 --> 0:06:31.960 of at the time, but who had become very famous, 0:06:31.960 --> 0:06:37.560 the Symbionese Liberation Army. UM burst through their door, beat 0:06:37.640 --> 0:06:42.919 up Stephen Weed, Catholic High School UH teacher, and UM 0:06:43.120 --> 0:06:46.400 dragged Patty Hurst out of her apartment to their car, 0:06:46.920 --> 0:06:49.360 where they shot off a few shots and drove off 0:06:49.360 --> 0:06:53.920 into the night with Patty Hurst kidnapped as hostage. Yeah, 0:06:54.000 --> 0:06:57.560 they threw in the trunk bound and she was gone. 0:06:57.839 --> 0:07:00.479 And as far as the s l A goes, like 0:07:00.520 --> 0:07:03.159 you said, they were not very well known at the time. 0:07:03.200 --> 0:07:07.560 They were pretty new UM in an era of sort 0:07:07.600 --> 0:07:12.040 of I'm not gonna say they were just uh American 0:07:12.600 --> 0:07:15.920 terrorist organizations all over the place of the United States. 0:07:15.960 --> 0:07:18.240 But it was a time in our country where there 0:07:18.280 --> 0:07:20.920 were a lot of bombings, a lot. And yeah, I 0:07:20.960 --> 0:07:24.280 said about a thousand a Year's a lot. Yeah, that's 0:07:24.320 --> 0:07:26.400 a lot of compared to now where we don't have 0:07:26.480 --> 0:07:29.640 a lot of bombings. Uh. And we should thank Julia 0:07:29.680 --> 0:07:32.920 Layton for helping us put this together. But um, no 0:07:32.960 --> 0:07:35.000 one had heard of them much because, like I said, 0:07:35.000 --> 0:07:37.400 they were new. They formed a couple of months before 0:07:37.520 --> 0:07:40.720 her abduction. And it wasn't like there were you know, 0:07:40.880 --> 0:07:43.520 a hundred of these people. They were you know, it 0:07:43.640 --> 0:07:46.080 kind of varied from you know, depending on like I 0:07:46.120 --> 0:07:49.280 guess who had the good drugs at the time, but 0:07:49.720 --> 0:07:52.560 there were never more than a dozen. Um, it seems 0:07:52.560 --> 0:07:56.800 like it varied between like seven and twelve at a time. 0:07:57.000 --> 0:08:01.680 And there their ideology was basically us like anti capitalist. 0:08:02.440 --> 0:08:07.400 Um we that's kind of just it. It wasn't super inspiring. 0:08:07.480 --> 0:08:09.840 It wasn't well thought out. It was just, hey, we 0:08:09.920 --> 0:08:12.760 hate we hate the rich. It was pretty ho hume. 0:08:13.280 --> 0:08:16.240 Um And and yeah, not very inspiring. And I think 0:08:16.280 --> 0:08:18.840 that's why they never had that many members. But they 0:08:18.880 --> 0:08:23.400 were they were extremely militant. They were very paranoid, and 0:08:23.440 --> 0:08:26.560 they were willing to carry out violence. Like they didn't 0:08:26.560 --> 0:08:29.640 have many qualms with violence. They used to practice with 0:08:30.000 --> 0:08:34.320 weapons and guns and um, they had a lot of guns, 0:08:34.360 --> 0:08:36.880 a lot of ammunition. They knew how to make bombs. 0:08:37.080 --> 0:08:39.160 They weren't messing around in that sense. They were just 0:08:39.280 --> 0:08:44.000 kind of dullards when it came to political ideology. They 0:08:44.040 --> 0:08:49.040 were just following in everybody else's wake. But um, interestingly enough, 0:08:49.120 --> 0:08:54.840 chuck the whole. The whole. Simbionese Liberation Armies started out 0:08:54.840 --> 0:08:58.840 of a prison tutoring program. We're a bunch of white 0:08:58.880 --> 0:09:02.840 students from Berkeley went and tutored inmates on things like 0:09:02.840 --> 0:09:06.960 black history and Paul political science, things like that. Um. 0:09:07.000 --> 0:09:09.760 And that's where the s l A originally grew from. 0:09:09.840 --> 0:09:12.720 When one of those inmates, a guy named Donald de Freeze, 0:09:13.280 --> 0:09:16.480 escaped from prison and showed up in San Francisco and said, 0:09:16.800 --> 0:09:20.360 let's get this thing started. Yeah, he was. They all 0:09:20.480 --> 0:09:22.559 adopted different names when they joined the s l A. 0:09:22.720 --> 0:09:26.600 His name was General Field Marshal sinc Uh. Is it 0:09:26.679 --> 0:09:30.920 matu matum? And it might be chinque oh really? Yeah? 0:09:30.960 --> 0:09:34.199 Because they were super into Shakavara and the Cuban Revolution. 0:09:34.360 --> 0:09:38.760 So anything that looks even remotely Spanish is probably pronounced 0:09:38.800 --> 0:09:42.199 like that. Okay, Well, I don't know Spanish, so I'm 0:09:42.200 --> 0:09:46.240 gonna pronounce it like Spike Lee style. I think that's 0:09:46.280 --> 0:09:50.000 his sister's name, is it? So? Yeah, sinkly. I didn't 0:09:50.000 --> 0:09:52.240 know that ce I n q u E one of 0:09:52.240 --> 0:09:56.080 his sisters. I got great. So, um, yeah, he was 0:09:56.080 --> 0:09:59.480 in prison for uh, well he did a bunch of stuff. 0:09:59.800 --> 0:10:02.560 He he was well known to possess homemade bombs. He 0:10:02.600 --> 0:10:07.160 was arrested for kidnapping, um, possession of explosives. He was 0:10:07.280 --> 0:10:09.760 arrested for robbing a bank. And that's finally in nine 0:10:11.120 --> 0:10:14.160 what finally got him into prison. But and this pops 0:10:14.240 --> 0:10:16.080 up sort of throughout the story, but it was it 0:10:16.120 --> 0:10:18.440 was way easier to get away with crime back then, 0:10:19.760 --> 0:10:22.960 like to escape from prison and then just say, like 0:10:23.080 --> 0:10:25.880 I like go live in San Francisco and start a 0:10:25.960 --> 0:10:29.840 radical organization and and kind of not get caught. Uh, 0:10:29.880 --> 0:10:32.640 And that's what he did. And he ended up engineering 0:10:32.640 --> 0:10:35.480 the murder of a man named Marcus Foster. He was 0:10:35.920 --> 0:10:40.320 superintendent of the Oakland School System. And uh, he didn't 0:10:40.320 --> 0:10:42.200 actually carry out the murder, but to s l A 0:10:42.280 --> 0:10:45.640 members shot him and one one of their signature moves 0:10:45.760 --> 0:10:48.600 that would turn out to be a cyanide tipped bullets, 0:10:48.679 --> 0:10:51.040 which I didn't look into that. I don't even know 0:10:51.080 --> 0:10:54.160 if that's a thing. I know, if that helps you 0:10:54.440 --> 0:10:57.240 kill somebody, I think it's overkill, is what like literal 0:10:57.360 --> 0:11:01.360 overkill or maybe just they thought it sounded intimidating or 0:11:01.400 --> 0:11:04.719 something to put in letters. They definitely did that, but 0:11:05.080 --> 0:11:09.000 they shot Foster to draw attention to UM something they saw, 0:11:09.080 --> 0:11:12.360 which was anti black schooling policies. Uh, Foster was a 0:11:12.400 --> 0:11:14.719 black man. One of the cruel irony is there. Well, 0:11:14.760 --> 0:11:19.120 not only that, he was also a respected black community organizer. 0:11:19.160 --> 0:11:21.959 And when they killed them, everybody else on the left 0:11:22.000 --> 0:11:24.000 and Berkeley was like, what are you doing? Are you 0:11:24.040 --> 0:11:29.520 guys morons? And l A was like, oh, yeah, they 0:11:29.520 --> 0:11:32.240 were kind of morons. Yeah, yes, they were a little 0:11:32.240 --> 0:11:36.000 bit morons as far as domestic terrorist groups go. UM. 0:11:36.080 --> 0:11:40.640 So when they the shooters were actually in prison when 0:11:40.679 --> 0:11:43.760 they got Patty Hurst, and the first thought from the 0:11:43.800 --> 0:11:47.079 cops and the Feds was, here's what's gonna happen is 0:11:47.120 --> 0:11:51.280 they've kidnapped this rich girl and they're gonna try to exchange, um, 0:11:51.280 --> 0:11:54.319 giving her back to get these two guys out of prison. 0:11:54.480 --> 0:11:57.480 But they're like, no, not exactly, We're actually gonna keep her. No. 0:11:57.600 --> 0:12:00.000 But even before they they had a chance to ask, 0:12:00.040 --> 0:12:02.360 and I guess they never did bring it up. Ronald Reagan, 0:12:02.720 --> 0:12:05.160 who was governor at the time, said no, we're not 0:12:05.240 --> 0:12:10.440 doing that. But they didn't go that way. Instead they said, UM, 0:12:10.559 --> 0:12:14.640 hey Willie Hurst, UM, no sorry, Randy Hurst. Willie Randy 0:12:15.000 --> 0:12:18.640 was dead by this time. Randy Hurst, UM, you're super rich. 0:12:18.880 --> 0:12:20.520 We want you to take some of those riches and 0:12:20.520 --> 0:12:23.199 we want you to feed the poor with it. That 0:12:23.280 --> 0:12:26.720 was their first demand. UM. And they they came. They 0:12:27.080 --> 0:12:29.960 sent this demand. First of all, they sent a communicate 0:12:30.040 --> 0:12:33.480 to a radio station in San Francisco, UM. And I 0:12:33.520 --> 0:12:36.480 think that's who they basically corresponded with the public and 0:12:36.520 --> 0:12:39.920 the police through. UM was this radio station. UM. And 0:12:39.960 --> 0:12:42.040 they would send letters and they would eventually send like 0:12:42.320 --> 0:12:45.679 voice recordings as well. UM. But in this first one, 0:12:45.720 --> 0:12:50.520 they sent what was basically an arrest warrant for Petty Hirst, 0:12:51.480 --> 0:12:55.000 Patricia Campbell Hurst, daughter of Randolph A. Hirst, corporate enemy 0:12:55.040 --> 0:12:57.679 of the people. And they sent her credit cards as 0:12:57.760 --> 0:13:01.360 proof that they had her, UM, which, if you ask me, 0:13:01.800 --> 0:13:05.080 shows their hand right off the bat. They didn't send 0:13:05.080 --> 0:13:07.440 a finger, they didn't even send like a lock of hair. 0:13:07.720 --> 0:13:09.520 They send a credit card that you could pick up 0:13:09.520 --> 0:13:11.199 off the ground. They could have just taken it off 0:13:11.240 --> 0:13:13.600 of her. I don't off of her nightstand. They didn't 0:13:13.600 --> 0:13:17.000 send anything vicious. They just sent a credit card to 0:13:17.040 --> 0:13:20.000 prove that they had her UM, but they didn't make 0:13:20.040 --> 0:13:23.120 any ransom demand. Then six days later after that first 0:13:23.200 --> 0:13:27.000 communicate with the arrest warrant, that's when they said, the 0:13:27.080 --> 0:13:29.199 Hearst need to figure out how to how to feed 0:13:29.600 --> 0:13:32.839 any single person in California that can prove prove that 0:13:32.880 --> 0:13:37.760 they are not um beneficiaries of the corporate capitalist state 0:13:38.280 --> 0:13:40.560 UM with at least seventy dollars worth of high quality 0:13:40.600 --> 0:13:43.800 food per person. Yeah, and they were like, you know, 0:13:44.040 --> 0:13:46.760 we're gonna get it together and whatnot. We but you 0:13:46.800 --> 0:13:49.400 need to arrange it through the grocery stores in California 0:13:50.040 --> 0:13:53.760 to distribute this stuff. Uh. They included in an audio 0:13:53.840 --> 0:13:58.280 tape from Patty where she says, Mom, Dad, I'm okay. 0:13:58.360 --> 0:14:00.800 I'm with a combat unit with automatic weapons. And these 0:14:00.800 --> 0:14:03.760 people aren't just a bunch of nuts or morons like 0:14:03.840 --> 0:14:06.560 Josh and Chuck and will say in the future. I 0:14:06.600 --> 0:14:08.360 want to get out of here, but the only way 0:14:08.400 --> 0:14:09.880 I'm going to do it is if we do it 0:14:09.920 --> 0:14:12.280 their way. And I just hope that you'll do what 0:14:12.320 --> 0:14:16.520 they say, Dad, uh and do it quickly, and Randy 0:14:16.559 --> 0:14:20.160 Hurst got this and he was like, these people are morons. 0:14:20.280 --> 0:14:24.320 How do they expect me to give everyone in California 0:14:24.360 --> 0:14:26.720 that proves there and needs seventy dollars worth of high 0:14:26.800 --> 0:14:30.880 quality food? What is high quality food anyway? And they're like, 0:14:30.920 --> 0:14:36.000 that's what you mean every day, sir. It's actually pretty good. Okay, 0:14:36.040 --> 0:14:40.160 I got you, And so he said, um, you know, 0:14:40.200 --> 0:14:42.560 I don't even think I can pull this off, which 0:14:42.600 --> 0:14:46.480 followed another back and forth in which Patty said, hey, 0:14:46.520 --> 0:14:50.280 stop acting like I'm dead. Um, he needs a good 0:14:50.320 --> 0:14:53.240 faith gesture from you. And so just a few days 0:14:53.280 --> 0:14:56.680 after that, the Hearst Foundation formed. I guess they looked 0:14:56.680 --> 0:14:59.080 in probably the best way to get a tax benefit 0:14:59.080 --> 0:15:02.480 out of this, informed an actual program called People in Need, 0:15:02.960 --> 0:15:05.600 which would feed a hundred thousand people for a year, 0:15:06.400 --> 0:15:09.160 uh two million dollars worth of food, which sounds fairly 0:15:09.200 --> 0:15:13.040 high quality to me. Um. Yeah. And and apparently they 0:15:13.040 --> 0:15:14.840 had a rough start at first because they didn't know 0:15:14.880 --> 0:15:16.800 what they were doing. There were food riots at the 0:15:17.040 --> 0:15:20.080 distribution site, and they finally managed to get it figured out. 0:15:20.400 --> 0:15:22.760 So in that sense, and it's kind of overlooked, I 0:15:22.800 --> 0:15:25.320 think in a lot of histories because everything they did 0:15:25.360 --> 0:15:29.280 after that was just so stupid and terrible. Um, but 0:15:29.360 --> 0:15:32.120 the s l A had a genuine impact right out 0:15:32.160 --> 0:15:34.720 of the gate that they used their their hostage for, 0:15:34.960 --> 0:15:38.800 which was to feed poor and hungry people. So clearly 0:15:38.800 --> 0:15:42.640 they were at least partially dedicated to that. And um 0:15:43.120 --> 0:15:48.200 chinque matto is it? Matt me Donald the frieze, the 0:15:48.480 --> 0:15:52.400 Field Marshal General Field Marshal. Um he he had said 0:15:52.480 --> 0:15:55.160 in a statement, he said, you know, Mr and Mrs Hurst, 0:15:55.240 --> 0:15:58.960 I I will, I have no qualms about executing your daughter. 0:15:59.520 --> 0:16:02.560 Uh if will save the lives of any starving poor people. 0:16:03.040 --> 0:16:06.760 So that was like a real big initial thing. So yeah, 0:16:06.800 --> 0:16:09.960 I was kind of surprised that they formed this program 0:16:10.120 --> 0:16:12.280 People in Need, which obviously was going to take a 0:16:12.280 --> 0:16:14.880 lot of work to make into sort of a legit charity, 0:16:15.360 --> 0:16:17.120 and they were like just for one year though, like 0:16:17.240 --> 0:16:20.560 after that, I'm surprised they didn't say, well, you know, 0:16:20.600 --> 0:16:23.000 maybe this is worthwhile. I mean I didn't get the 0:16:23.000 --> 0:16:26.400 impression they were those types well, and they probably it 0:16:26.400 --> 0:16:29.040 probably wasn't a great look to be inspired by these 0:16:29.160 --> 0:16:33.120 uh these terrorists. That's true, that's true too, Um, but 0:16:34.800 --> 0:16:37.680 I just find it significant that that was like that, 0:16:37.680 --> 0:16:40.240 that was their first demand was that, and then they 0:16:40.280 --> 0:16:43.600 actually had a real effect. But yeah, that's for more 0:16:43.600 --> 0:16:45.880 money though. I think they said two millions not enough. 0:16:46.360 --> 0:16:51.400 We want eight million total. And the hearse said Randy said, no, go, 0:16:51.640 --> 0:16:53.840 you gotta release Patty Hurst if you want that extra 0:16:53.880 --> 0:16:57.640 six mill Yeah, so they um. This I think is 0:16:57.680 --> 0:17:01.200 another kind of overlooked thing that when you look at what, 0:17:01.560 --> 0:17:04.479 you know, the process of of changing her mind that 0:17:04.520 --> 0:17:07.439 Patty Hurst eventually is said to have gone through. I 0:17:07.480 --> 0:17:10.240 think that this is really where the seeds started, because 0:17:10.280 --> 0:17:12.520 she said later on that she felt like her parents 0:17:12.520 --> 0:17:16.280 were trying to they were debating how much I was worth, 0:17:17.040 --> 0:17:20.199 and they were focusing on dollars and cents um, you know, 0:17:20.840 --> 0:17:23.960 in the balance of her daughter's life. And she, you know, 0:17:24.000 --> 0:17:26.280 like she had said before, stop acting like I'm dead. 0:17:26.800 --> 0:17:32.960 She apparently felt very um, if not left behind, definitely 0:17:33.040 --> 0:17:36.119 gambled with her life, was gambled with by her parents 0:17:36.160 --> 0:17:41.239 who were basically publicly negotiating the cost down for the 0:17:41.320 --> 0:17:44.240 release of their daughter. And I think that that really 0:17:44.280 --> 0:17:48.000 may have set up a nineteen year old um to 0:17:48.000 --> 0:17:51.000 to be more open to whatever the opposite of their 0:17:51.040 --> 0:17:56.160 parents thought processes and ideology might be. Yeah, there's another um, 0:17:56.840 --> 0:18:00.240 really good movie about the j Paul Getty Kidney happen 0:18:00.320 --> 0:18:04.439 called All the Money in the World, directed by Ridley Scott, 0:18:04.480 --> 0:18:07.600 And that's sort of one of the uh threads in 0:18:07.600 --> 0:18:11.359 that movie is you know, it's the granddad trying to 0:18:12.040 --> 0:18:15.239 like negotiate down this money, like somebody that's like one 0:18:15.280 --> 0:18:18.040 of the richest human beings on the planet trying to 0:18:18.080 --> 0:18:22.120 bargain with the life of a family member, like no, genie, 0:18:22.400 --> 0:18:27.720 no money. Really really interesting, Um, nice far ago rough 0:18:27.760 --> 0:18:30.760 by the way, thank you. Should we take a break? Yeah, sure, 0:18:30.760 --> 0:18:34.520 why not? All right, we'll take a break and we're 0:18:34.560 --> 0:18:36.840 gonna come back right for this and talk about what 0:18:36.960 --> 0:19:10.960 happens on April three. So, Chuck, you mentioned April three, 0:19:10.960 --> 0:19:14.640 and here is about the time when things really start 0:19:14.760 --> 0:19:18.280 to turn as far as the public's perception of what 0:19:18.440 --> 0:19:23.240 exactly is going on. Because fifty nine days earlier, Um, 0:19:23.280 --> 0:19:26.160 Patty Hurst, poor little Patty Hurst, never harm to flee, 0:19:26.359 --> 0:19:28.359 just you know, wanted to study art history and be 0:19:28.640 --> 0:19:33.560 super amazingly rich Um was abducted from her house and 0:19:33.600 --> 0:19:38.640 then forced into the public spotlight as a hostage who 0:19:38.680 --> 0:19:42.680 was used to negotiate um between the s l A 0:19:43.280 --> 0:19:47.240 and her parents, the hearsts Um. But then that changed. 0:19:47.320 --> 0:19:53.320 On April three, Yeah, she sent a another tape that said, 0:19:53.760 --> 0:19:56.080 I have been given the choice of one being released 0:19:56.080 --> 0:20:00.080 in a safe area or two joining forces, joining the 0:20:00.119 --> 0:20:03.199 forces of the Symbionese Liberation Army and fighting for my 0:20:03.280 --> 0:20:05.520 freedom and the freedom of all oppressed people. I have 0:20:05.680 --> 0:20:08.720 chosen to stay and fight. And then she revealed that 0:20:08.760 --> 0:20:11.440 she had taken on an s l A name, Uh, 0:20:11.640 --> 0:20:15.639 Tania or is it Taniya? I think I don't know. 0:20:15.880 --> 0:20:18.960 Let's go with Tanya, okay, Tania t A and I A. 0:20:19.960 --> 0:20:22.760 And they sent a little visual a too, and this 0:20:22.840 --> 0:20:27.320 was this became very very famous picture. One of the 0:20:27.359 --> 0:20:30.959 most famous pictures of the nineteen seventies was this photo, 0:20:31.040 --> 0:20:34.679 this polaroid of Patty Uh, we've all seen it, holding 0:20:34.720 --> 0:20:38.240 that machine gun, wearing the beret in front of the 0:20:38.520 --> 0:20:41.080 s l A flag in their emblem, which was a 0:20:41.119 --> 0:20:44.439 seven headed cobra. Very famous picture, extremely famous, and that 0:20:44.520 --> 0:20:48.040 beret was significant, and that she adopted the nom de 0:20:48.119 --> 0:20:52.080 guerre Tanya Um from another woman who adopted the nom 0:20:52.160 --> 0:20:55.400 de gear of Tanya Um back in the sixties, about 0:20:55.400 --> 0:20:58.720 a decade earlier, when she was fighting alongside Sha Gavara 0:20:58.840 --> 0:21:02.800 and Bolivia. Her name was uh Tamera bun Que. I 0:21:02.840 --> 0:21:06.680 believe um. She was Argentinean uh and she was a revolutionary. 0:21:06.680 --> 0:21:10.760 And I guess Petty Hurst admired her and adopted that name. 0:21:11.840 --> 0:21:14.120 But imagine, like put it yourself in the in the 0:21:14.560 --> 0:21:17.080 in the position is just the average public who you know, 0:21:17.160 --> 0:21:19.879 person in the public who's following this story. It's like, 0:21:19.920 --> 0:21:22.359 poor little Patty Hurst, Poor little little Patty Hurst. And 0:21:22.359 --> 0:21:25.720 then oh my god, what is this. There's a picture 0:21:25.720 --> 0:21:28.280 of Petty Hurst looking like a total b a holding 0:21:28.280 --> 0:21:32.400 a machine gun in a beret. Yeah, that's little ba Bakas. Yeah. 0:21:32.440 --> 0:21:35.400 And she said, I they said that they would let 0:21:35.400 --> 0:21:37.480 me go and I could go free or I could 0:21:37.520 --> 0:21:39.600 stay and fight. And I'm choosing to fight. And not 0:21:39.680 --> 0:21:43.400 only that, I have a new name of war. Yeah. 0:21:43.560 --> 0:21:47.240 I think this started a lot of confusion. I don't 0:21:47.240 --> 0:21:51.840 think it was immediately everyone was like, oh my god, uh, 0:21:51.920 --> 0:21:55.280 the future Paris Hilton of our times is now radicalized 0:21:55.280 --> 0:21:57.080 and wants to kill people. That's true, I think it. 0:21:57.280 --> 0:21:59.200 I think it just really confused a lot of people 0:21:59.200 --> 0:22:00.880 that are like wait a minute, what's going on here? 0:22:01.240 --> 0:22:03.600 I thought she was kidnapped, and now she says she's not, 0:22:04.520 --> 0:22:07.240 and uh, it really gripped the nation. I mean, obviously 0:22:07.280 --> 0:22:10.160 I was just a wee toddler when this is going on, 0:22:10.320 --> 0:22:13.879 But I remember when I was a little kid, this 0:22:14.000 --> 0:22:17.000 sort of still reverberating in the public sphere a little bit, 0:22:17.080 --> 0:22:19.600 Like I remember hearing the name Patty Hurst when I 0:22:19.640 --> 0:22:21.840 was like six or seven. Well, she also, I mean, 0:22:21.840 --> 0:22:24.760 she came out with her memoirs, you know, and about 0:22:24.920 --> 0:22:27.119 when you were probably ten, So I'm sure that that 0:22:27.200 --> 0:22:29.000 really brought her to your attention as well. But I'm 0:22:29.040 --> 0:22:32.800 sure that was we read that in uh whatever, fifth grade, right, 0:22:34.600 --> 0:22:37.320 So um, so, yeah, you're right. You're right, that wasn't 0:22:37.359 --> 0:22:39.560 the necessarily the turning point because a picture like that, 0:22:39.680 --> 0:22:42.320 you know, if you're somebody's hostage, your captors can dress 0:22:42.320 --> 0:22:43.959 you up however they want and take a picture of 0:22:43.960 --> 0:22:46.000 you and put it said, put it out there. There 0:22:46.080 --> 0:22:48.600 was It was still shocking, but it was confusing, like 0:22:48.640 --> 0:22:51.800 you said, too, and then people generally knew like if 0:22:51.800 --> 0:22:53.720 you somebody had a gun to your head, you could 0:22:53.720 --> 0:22:56.120 say like, yeah, I'm gonna stay and fight and here's 0:22:56.160 --> 0:22:59.399 my new name. The turning point, the real turning point, 0:22:59.440 --> 0:23:03.120 that came about two weeks after that, almost two weeks 0:23:03.160 --> 0:23:06.720 after that, and that is when Tanya made her real 0:23:06.800 --> 0:23:11.639 world debut. And at this point there was there was 0:23:11.840 --> 0:23:18.119 very little, um question about whether she was actually involved 0:23:18.119 --> 0:23:20.040 in the s l A or just a hostage in 0:23:20.080 --> 0:23:22.000 a lot of people's mind. This is where that turning 0:23:22.000 --> 0:23:26.040 point came. Yeah. So, um, the High Bernia Bank in 0:23:26.080 --> 0:23:30.879 San Francisco was robbed by the s l A, including Tania, 0:23:31.119 --> 0:23:34.440