Speaker 1: What is up, Dolphins and welcome to the Draft Time Podcast.
Speaker 1: I am your host, Travis Wingfield, and on today's show,
Speaker 1: our last edition of Combine Coverage, I'm going to go
Speaker 1: ahead and recap the offensive side of the football what
Speaker 1: we saw on the field before Friday show we pivot
Speaker 1: to the free agency portion of the calendar as freegency
Speaker 1: begins just next week. We'll also hear from EJ. Snyder
Speaker 1: and talk about some potential Dolphins fits in this year's
Speaker 1: draft as well. All of that and more from the
Speaker 1: Baptist Hell Studios inside the Baptist Health Training Complex. This
Speaker 1: is the Draft Time Podcast. Aye, before we get into EJ,
Speaker 1: I want to kick this thing off here and kind
Speaker 1: of talk about some Combine notes. But before I even
Speaker 1: get to that, discuss something I saw from the great
Speaker 1: Brandon Thorne. I wanted to get him on the podcast
Speaker 1: back in Indianapolis, but our schedules never quite intersected. He
Speaker 1: is the public sure of the Trench Warfare newsletter where
Speaker 1: he breaks down all things offensive and defensive line play.
Speaker 1: Kind of a difficult level to analyze, especially for the
Speaker 1: common fan. And that's why I think Brandon's content is
Speaker 1: so good because he's one of the few guys that
Speaker 1: has carved out a space for himself with regards to
Speaker 1: doing offensive line specific content. And that's just to me,
Speaker 1: the most misunderstood position by common fans across any sport,
Speaker 1: and quite frankly, folks that do what I do for
Speaker 1: a living. It's a tough thing to identify responsibilities and assignments.
Speaker 1: And that's why I think that certain offensive line grades
Speaker 1: should not be factored in at all. Soap box point aside.
Speaker 1: He wrote about the tackle to guard pipeline conversion in
Speaker 1: the NFL, and I found it fascinating because of what
Speaker 1: Will Campbell did in Indianapolis and because of what some
Speaker 1: folks think Marcus bo even armand Membu who I will
Speaker 1: go into draft night having him as my OT one
Speaker 1: on my final big board. Josh Simmons number two closely
Speaker 1: behind him. But here's what Brandon said. Zach Martin, Joe Tooney,
Speaker 1: Joel Buttonio, Brandon Schurf are four of the best guards
Speaker 1: of the last decade, with twenty two Pro Bowls among them.
Speaker 1: All of them were very good, productive offensive or rather
Speaker 1: accomplished college tackles at left tackle. Tyler Smith, Sam Cosmy,
Speaker 1: Elijah Vera, Tucker are three of the better young guards
Speaker 1: in the league, and they are in the same boat.
Speaker 1: And he also notes this list is not exhaustive. Robert Hunt,
Speaker 1: for instance, was a right tackle at ULL and kicked
Speaker 1: in the guard and got a nine figure contract. Projecting
Speaker 1: a very good tackle inside to guard isn't a slight.
Speaker 1: In fact, more players should embrace it. This class is
Speaker 1: shaping up to be a shot in the arm of
Speaker 1: the aging crop of guards closer to the beginning of
Speaker 1: their careers than the end. He listed Campbell from LSU,
Speaker 1: Kelvin Banks from Texas, Jonah Savina from Arizona, Gray's Abel
Speaker 1: from North Dakota State, Jalen Rivers from Miami, bo from Purdue,
Speaker 1: Emery Jones from LSU As College tackles that can move
Speaker 1: inside in this year's class. And that's not even exhaustive
Speaker 1: to that point. And again, we saw Miami take Robert
Speaker 1: Hunt and keep him there in twenty twenty two after
Speaker 1: his first career start in twenty twenty and some of
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one as well was at that right tackle
Speaker 1: position right and we saw them move Connor Williams all
Speaker 1: the way inside after he was an NFL guard who
Speaker 1: was a college tackle. We saw them cross tran keyon
Speaker 1: Smith this preseason to play some guard. Liam and Robert
Speaker 1: Jones were both collegiate tackles. Isaiah Winn was a tackle
Speaker 1: in college. You guys get what I'm getting at here, right,
Speaker 1: And that's really true of all the Shanahan Tree systems.
Speaker 1: The Niners do it just like we do it. The
Speaker 1: Packers have moved both Elton Jenkins and Zach Tom inside.
Speaker 1: Tom was originally inside, has gone back outside since then.
Speaker 1: Sean Ryan was a tackle in college guard in the pros.
Speaker 1: The Rams have done it all across their line.
Speaker 2: It is at the in.
Speaker 1: Vogue move excuse me for this offensive system, and that's
Speaker 1: something to keep an eye on because again, I think
Speaker 1: some of the best potential guards in this class will
Speaker 1: be former tackles like a bow Banks. Maybe even Will
Speaker 1: Campbell makes it to thirteen, because Jordan Reed from ESPN
Speaker 1: did project that will happen and that Miami will take him.
Speaker 2: Now, will they?
Speaker 1: Because that would go against conventional thinking. Although you could
Speaker 1: argue like he is at one point going to play
Speaker 1: tackle in this offense, but then you're kind of saying, like, well,
Speaker 1: I'm betting against Patrick Paul or Austin Jackson down the road,
Speaker 1: which I don't think they'll do that because they believe
Speaker 1: in those players as cornerstones, and for what it's worth,
Speaker 1: I don't believe either Paul or Austin will be interior
Speaker 1: players in this offense anytime soon, if you were thinking that.
Speaker 1: So fascinating stuff all around. I tend to think this
Speaker 1: year's draft class is better to go defense early and
Speaker 1: that that can change and pivot based upon how the
Speaker 1: board falls. But Tyler Warren's kind of the one guy
Speaker 1: up top offensively that makes some sense to me. Otherwise,
Speaker 1: I'm looking at what I think is going to be
Speaker 1: a top ten talent who falls at defensive tackle, maybe
Speaker 1: a corner. Maybe you take a jack of all trades
Speaker 1: and a Nick Worry. I just feel like the defensive
Speaker 1: positions could have more to offer if you can't get
Speaker 1: warm in that thirteenth pick. Let's go ahead and button
Speaker 1: up this first segment here before I get to EJ
Speaker 1: talking about what happened on the field during the combine
Speaker 1: workouts and Tyler shook the Louisville quarterback that has kind
Speaker 1: of become that guy I think for a lot of
Speaker 1: folks and.
Speaker 2: Better here than Jackson Dart.
Speaker 1: I really don't understand this Jackson Dart hype, and perhaps
Speaker 1: that is the you know, the quarterback class tends to
Speaker 1: get pushed up. I have gone back to the film
Speaker 1: on Shedur Sanders and really softened my stance on him.
Speaker 1: Not even a first round player for me, so I
Speaker 1: think Tyler Shook though. Man, he was made for this event.
Speaker 1: He's slaying the football all over the field. He was
Speaker 1: always going to look awesome in shorts, but it's the
Speaker 1: fact that he's six foot four and ran a sub
Speaker 1: four seven forty yard dash that made him a winner
Speaker 1: for me. That's ninety third percent tile in height, eighty
Speaker 1: fifth percent tile in straight line speed, and the athletic
Speaker 1: ability is there as well as the ability to drop
Speaker 1: the arm angle and throw all kinds of shortstop throws,
Speaker 1: very attractive part of his game. And then Brady Cook
Speaker 1: from Missouri was a four to six guy with a
Speaker 1: thirty seven inch vertical ten foot seven broad jumps. So
Speaker 1: there's your athlete of the class right there. Now more
Speaker 1: important positions like running back here. I got plenty of
Speaker 1: notes on a class that perhaps Miami isn't even venturing into.
Speaker 1: But we shall see Quinn Shawn Judkins was the one
Speaker 1: that to me made himself a first round prospect with
Speaker 1: what he did. And I look at the pass protection
Speaker 1: reel in college and it was awesome. And then I
Speaker 1: watch him jump eleven feet on the broad two hundred
Speaker 1: and twenty pounds, like, oh, yeah, that makes sense. He's
Speaker 1: the most explosive player that has a lot of weight
Speaker 1: behind those pads and he plays with pure power. He'll
Speaker 1: knock you in the mouth. Go watch his organ tape
Speaker 1: where he just popped guys in the mouth consistently. As
Speaker 1: pass rushers. He runs a four to four to eight
Speaker 1: like get the hell out of here, thirty eight and
Speaker 1: a half inch vertical. All of these are eighty fifth
Speaker 1: percentile or better with a weight at running back ninetieth
Speaker 1: percent tile. He's a first round player. I don't think
Speaker 1: he'll go there. So is he an option at forty eight, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he would be. Would that be a little bit overkill?
Speaker 1: Yeah it would be. But maybe you pick up an
Speaker 1: additional pick somewhere and you can go after this guy
Speaker 1: and change your temperament, change your mentality on day number two.
Speaker 1: Although I do fear he's worked himself above the forty
Speaker 1: eighth pick, and that would seem to be quite a
Speaker 1: luxury for the Miami Dolphins. Speaking of luxuries, Travon Henderson
Speaker 1: his teammate at Ohio State. If you want more speed,
Speaker 1: I mean he worked out just like the tapes said
Speaker 1: he would four four three a one to five six
Speaker 1: ten split, thirty eight and a half inch for ten
Speaker 1: to nine broad jump. Those are my two favorite backs
Speaker 1: in the entire class. I would have no issues. Well,
Speaker 1: that's removing Ashton genty obviously he's like a top ten pick.
Speaker 1: But I would have no issue if both Jenkins and
Speaker 1: Henderson went in the first round. But I do think Judkins'
Speaker 1: style would really complete the Dolphins running back room.
Speaker 2: But both these players are really really fun.
Speaker 1: I also think by shell Touton from Virginia Tech would
Speaker 1: give you some of that. And he was listed at
Speaker 1: two hundred and twenty pounds going into this and came
Speaker 1: out of it with two oh six. Can we get
Speaker 1: our scals right? Like, what the hell's going on there?
Speaker 1: Because the offensive line measurements were way off from Senior
Speaker 1: Bowl two. But this was Brett Coleman's matchmaker pick. On
Speaker 1: the Thursday podcast, he said four three, five Tooton goes
Speaker 1: four to three to two to two right and again,
Speaker 1: two hundred and six pounds, forty point five inch vertical
Speaker 1: ten oh five broad. He also had fifty three percent
Speaker 1: of his yards at VTech came on breakaway runs, and
Speaker 1: you know your boy loves that. If we if we're
Speaker 1: gonna run the ball a lot, I want to have
Speaker 1: home run hitters. His four to four to one shuttle
Speaker 1: was only thirty percent tile, which just says that you're
Speaker 1: basically not like gonna be a shifty in tight spaces back.
Speaker 1: But when you just run outside zone, just hit your
Speaker 1: top bend speed, find decrease and go. There's not a
Speaker 1: lot of start stop in this offense in at that position.
Speaker 1: So I think he still fits there. Omar and Hampton
Speaker 1: the North Carolina back, I mean it just continues here right,
Speaker 1: thirty eight inch vertical, ten to five broad four four
Speaker 1: seven one five six ten split. He's also two hundred
Speaker 1: and twenty one pounds. Like, what the hell is going
Speaker 1: on here? Man? These two hundred and twenty pounds backs
Speaker 1: are not supposed to move like that. And we do
Speaker 1: have one of those guys in Jalen Wright, who is
Speaker 1: already being talked about in my as that kind of
Speaker 1: physical presence alongside Devon Ahchen. So all of this is
Speaker 1: to say, you're looking for your third running back because
Speaker 1: Miami's got their top two guys right now and it
Speaker 1: should be that way. R J. Harvey at a UCF
Speaker 1: clocked a four to four flat. That's a ninety seven
Speaker 1: percent tile and with his receiving skills makes me pretty
Speaker 1: damn intrigued. If you can find either him or by
Speaker 1: shell tooton on day three, I would be very into that.
Speaker 1: The guy that kind of fell the most for me
Speaker 1: was Iowa's Caleb Johnson. He was saying he was going
Speaker 1: to run four to three and then seeing that with
Speaker 1: his outside zone reel had me fired up to be
Speaker 1: a possible Dolphin in the future. But then he runs
Speaker 1: a four to five three, which is what I expected
Speaker 1: it to be.
Speaker 2: I would be interested.
Speaker 1: However, on day number three, at receiver Jack Besh from TCU,
Speaker 1: his six eight seven three cone time was one of
Speaker 1: the biggest needle moving moments of the entire weekend. I
Speaker 1: thought I saw that wiggle on his college tape, and
Speaker 1: at that size, we're talking about a really, really tough
Speaker 1: cover for cornerbacks because he can go over the top
Speaker 1: of you and he can shake you, especially in on one
Speaker 1: coverage situations, which he would get every rep in this offense,
Speaker 1: because hey, guess what You've got Tyreek Hill and Jilen Waddle.
Speaker 1: And despite what we think about Tyreek and the way
Speaker 1: he handled the year, he's still gonna get double coverage
Speaker 1: a lot. Jayden Higgins out of Iowa State, I had
Speaker 1: a really tough time on him at the Senior Bowl.
Speaker 1: I saw some reps where I thought, like, that movement
Speaker 1: will play, but then I saw some reps where I'm like,
Speaker 1: I don't think he can move well enough to shake free.
Speaker 1: And you guys know how I feel about you know,
Speaker 1: Keon Coleman. I just I can't put a figure on
Speaker 1: it as far as how I can project the way
Speaker 1: he moves with just my eyes. But then he gave
Speaker 1: us the numbers to kind of back up what I
Speaker 1: thought I was on tape. Potentially with the four four
Speaker 1: seven at six foot four, two hundred and fourteen pounds,
Speaker 1: a ten to eight broad, thirty eight inch vertical one
Speaker 1: five to three ten splits, so he gets off the
Speaker 1: ball quickly. I think between him and Besh and then
Speaker 1: you get it a little bit with a little bit
Speaker 1: less polish. With saving on Williams from TCU, you're gonna
Speaker 1: have some Day two options to select big body wide
Speaker 1: receivers without having to sacrifice on speed. Speaking of speed,
Speaker 1: my biggest folloer was Tesz Johnson from Oregon, and I
Speaker 1: loved his tape in college. But he weighs as much
Speaker 1: as I do, one hundred and fifty six pounds four
Speaker 1: five six forty. I kind of can't believe it, and
Speaker 1: he plays way faster on tape. In fact, his six
Speaker 1: 's eighty three three cone time that to me demonstrates
Speaker 1: the slant routes that he would catch and take to
Speaker 1: the house. And he had better long speed than what
Speaker 1: he ran in Indy. I wouldn't be surprised if we
Speaker 1: heard that he had some kind of ailment. But still
Speaker 1: at one fifty six, dude, you got to go four two.
Speaker 1: Brother Jalen Nole from Iowa State. He made me run
Speaker 1: to the tape immediately, and I kind of wanted to
Speaker 1: like make a Keunny Steells comparison, but I think he's
Speaker 1: like better, more explosive. He has the same like if
Speaker 1: he's even he's leaving juice that both Reek and Waddle do.
Speaker 1: He glides around the field and can utilize that acceleration
Speaker 1: from a stop and off of his brakes four to three,
Speaker 1: nine one, five to ten split, forty one and a
Speaker 1: half inch vertical, eleven to two, broad, six eight two
Speaker 1: three comb. You can take away the tape and that's
Speaker 1: gonna make him drafted on one hundred just on athletic
Speaker 1: ability alone, and oh, by the way, twenty three reps
Speaker 1: at two hundred and twenty five pounds on the bench press,
Speaker 1: he was best or tied for best in both jumps
Speaker 1: and the bench with those time speeds.
Speaker 2: Wowsa.
Speaker 1: Kyle Williams Washington State, Go Kooks. The tape is fantastic.
Speaker 1: Just jumps off as a really good football player, but
Speaker 1: I didn't know how well he was gonna run, and
Speaker 1: he goes out there in blazes a four to four
Speaker 1: to two. He wasn't great in the jumps, but he's
Speaker 1: a polished route runner who I look at maybe early
Speaker 1: day three is a really good option for the Miami Dolphins.
Speaker 1: And then receiver one for me is still Elik a
Speaker 1: minor from Sanford. Four to four to seven was a
Speaker 1: big win for him. He has the best release game
Speaker 1: in the entire class, just as good top at the
Speaker 1: top of the route. He gave Travis Hunter fits he
Speaker 1: was ninetieth percentile in his jumps as well. One guy
Speaker 1: that I thought confirmed what I thought I saw on
Speaker 1: tape Pat Bryant from Illinois. He moves like a cargo barge,
Speaker 1: and we knew that from the tape. Tight ends Mason
Speaker 1: Taylor from LSU man his gauntlet was an example of
Speaker 1: an athlete who is perfectly in tune with the mechanics
Speaker 1: of every body part that he has.
Speaker 2: And that's how you.
Speaker 1: Have to be that effortless glide. Right down that line,
Speaker 1: I go back to a golf analogy. The reason that
Speaker 1: golf is so hard is because your hands and your
Speaker 1: hips incorporate two opposing forces simultaneously. Think about it as
Speaker 1: a really dumb down version as patting your head while
Speaker 1: rubbing your belly. It's like one of those things you
Speaker 1: kind of have to think about, right. That's the golf swing.
Speaker 1: That's athletes knowing how their body moves. And watching Mason
Speaker 1: run around, I just see innate superior fundamentals at play always.
Speaker 1: That just tells me that he's put in his ten
Speaker 1: thousand hours and quite frankly, I have connections that have
Speaker 1: told me that as well, and he's just wrapped it
Speaker 1: so frequently he can do it without thinking about it,
Speaker 1: which is literally the key to doing it at the
Speaker 1: NFL level. The Dolphins credo under Mike McDaniel has been fast, physical,
Speaker 1: elite technique. He's the quintessential example of all three of
Speaker 1: those things. And again I'm close to Mason's circle. Believe
Speaker 1: me when I tell you this. He is the real
Speaker 1: deal as a person and how he works. Tyler Warren
Speaker 1: is the apple of my eye for this offense. But
Speaker 1: there's a good chance he's gone, and if he is,
Speaker 1: I would go defense in that first pick and then
Speaker 1: try whatever the hell I can do to get Mason
Speaker 1: Taylor at forty eight or going up a little bit
Speaker 1: to get him. Gunner Helm from Texas had a horrible
Speaker 1: four to nine three forty that did not match his tape.
Speaker 1: Then you find out that he sprained his ankle on
Speaker 1: a false start for the before the first run, and
Speaker 1: then went through the entire drill or the entire day
Speaker 1: of workouts with that ankle injury. I bet he's a
Speaker 1: four to six guy. His pro day. Jackson Hawes from
Speaker 1: Georgia Tech did what he needed to do, probably the
Speaker 1: best true why tight end outside of Tyler Warren in
Speaker 1: this class, and he was above average in the upper
Speaker 1: fiftieth percentile on the speed numbers, with eightieth percent tile
Speaker 1: or more on the jumps and in the seventies of
Speaker 1: this height and weight.
Speaker 2: That's a good day for Jackson Hawes.
Speaker 1: And then Jalen Conyers from Texas Tech ran a six
Speaker 1: nine to four to three cone at two hundred and
Speaker 1: sixty pounds. Only one tight end that had that weight
Speaker 1: out of one hundred and forty nine of them since
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety nine weighed that much and ran that fast.
Speaker 1: That is you gotta make that comment. Also, please don't
Speaker 1: ever talk to me about Harold Fan and Junior over
Speaker 1: the next two months, please and thank you. I am
Speaker 1: just not interested in someone who does not block and
Speaker 1: runs a four to seven. Let's go ahead and finish
Speaker 1: up on the offensive line where all you guys want
Speaker 1: to talk about this. Tyler Booker was in the ninth
Speaker 1: percentile of his ten split. I gotta say, look, I
Speaker 1: appreciate everyone we get that comes on the show and
Speaker 1: gives us their time and I talked about this with
Speaker 1: the mina Chime segment, saying the Dolphins have to go
Speaker 1: guard at number thirteen and mocking Tyler Booker to us.
Speaker 1: I had two big time draft analysts on the show
Speaker 1: tell me that he made the most sense. I just
Speaker 1: can't stress enough how far off that take is. It's
Speaker 1: not gonna happen. I guarantee it Men's warehouse. Not only
Speaker 1: has a guard never been drafted in the first round
Speaker 1: in this offensive system, getting back to the nineteen eighties,
Speaker 1: you really think they're gonna take a guy that moves
Speaker 1: that slow off the football. It's the antithesis of how
Speaker 1: it's taught here. Just the ignorance on that topic drives
Speaker 1: me insane. It's not gonna happen Will Campbell. If they're
Speaker 1: gonna do it, it's this guy because he has rare,
Speaker 1: freaky movement skills. The seventy seven three eighth inch wingspan
Speaker 1: is the smallest wingspan by a tackle since twenty eleven,
Speaker 1: so he might have played himself out of that position
Speaker 1: if he is a guard, though he is like Zach
Speaker 1: Martin now he was eighty fifth percentile or better in
Speaker 1: all the speed metrics, and his tape suggest the floor
Speaker 1: is as high as anybody in this class that goes
Speaker 1: to like ninety nine percent tile if he's at the
Speaker 1: guard position. Miles Fraser from LSU, his teammate, is going
Speaker 1: to go a lot higher than I would have thought
Speaker 1: a month ago. This is probably my guy in the
Speaker 1: class at this position, him and Jackson Slater. He's three
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty pounds, had ninety percent tile jumps and
Speaker 1: average speed metrics in the fifties. But I'm pairing that
Speaker 1: with explosiveness with a true badass on tape, someone who
Speaker 1: seriously wants to inflict pain on every d line he faces.
Speaker 2: He's going to be a beast.
Speaker 1: Probably have to use maybe that third round picking the
Speaker 1: comp area to get him. How about Ariante Esri from Minnesota?
Speaker 1: Probably my top choice if they go offensive line at thirteen,
Speaker 1: because I think that Campbell will be gone.
Speaker 2: I think that Membo will be gone. I also Josh.
Speaker 1: Simmons is a guy that I like in that spot too,
Speaker 1: But talk about a fit here man ninetieth percent tile
Speaker 1: in both the ten and twenty splits. His forty was
Speaker 1: also a ninetieth percent tile at three hundred and thirty
Speaker 1: one pounds. Also, with his broad jump, he was ninety
Speaker 1: percent tile. He also has the best tape of anybody
Speaker 1: against Abdul Carter, Kelvin Banks. I'm kind of out on
Speaker 1: Calvin Banks. He did not run nearly as well as
Speaker 1: I thought he would, just seventy fifth percent tile and
Speaker 1: the speed of the thirtieth percentile weight.
Speaker 2: I would not like that pick.
Speaker 1: At thirteen at all, Hall and Pierce from Rutgers had
Speaker 1: the second longest wingspan since nineteen ninety nine, eighty eight
Speaker 1: and a quarter inch. He's six foot eight, three hundred
Speaker 1: and forty pounds. I've never seen him play, so I
Speaker 1: have no idea what his tape is like. And then
Speaker 1: Membo ran a four to nine to one at three
Speaker 1: thirty two, which is a surprise to nobody. Nine o
Speaker 1: seven broad was the best among the group. He's explosive
Speaker 1: as hell. He's going to be a top five pick
Speaker 1: in my opinion. And then Gray's Abel from North Dakota
Speaker 1: State followed an awesome senior Bowl with the best vert
Speaker 1: of the group group thirty six and a half inches.
Speaker 2: So there you go.
Speaker 1: Combine notes in the book, We're gonna have EJ. Snider
Speaker 1: on the podcast here in just one second to finish
Speaker 1: out this show, and then Friday we'll have rht Lewis
Speaker 1: on to finish up our combine chats. Let's go ahead
Speaker 1: and take our first break right here. Draft Time Podcast,
Speaker 1: your host Travis Wingfilm, brought to you by I Don't Knowation.
Speaker 1: Joining me today is the other half of the Bootleg
Speaker 1: Football podcast. We had Brett Coleman on earlier and now
Speaker 1: I'm excited to be joined by his co host e J.
Speaker 2: Snyder.
Speaker 1: Also, you can check him out on the Bear Era
Speaker 1: podcast covering his Chicago Bears.
Speaker 2: EJ. What's up man? NFL combine?
Speaker 3: Leaving the dream kind of like Christmas Eve for those
Speaker 3: of us that really love the.
Speaker 1: Draft, And that's why we just jumped on the air
Speaker 1: after getting some technical difficulties sorted out, and I told
Speaker 1: you I had something to say to you that I
Speaker 1: wanted to put on the air.
Speaker 2: I think it's almost that's loud.
Speaker 1: I think it's kind of hilarious that you're, like, you
Speaker 1: make this reference to Christmas Eve for those of us
Speaker 1: that care about it, But you're so meticulous in your preparation,
Speaker 1: like you know this, man, it's already in in your head.
Speaker 1: But here you are with a full page full and no.
Speaker 1: It's like, I just appreciate the meticulousness you have, a buddy.
Speaker 2: It's part of doing this work for me.
Speaker 3: Whenever anybody is going to give me the benefit of
Speaker 3: time to prep, I'll take it. I got that question yesterday.
Speaker 3: They're like, do you want the agenda? I was like,
Speaker 3: of course I want the agenda. It's going to help
Speaker 3: make the thoughts that I can bring and share more cohesive.
Speaker 3: Doesn't mean that you can't deviate. In fact, you almost
Speaker 3: always do as you know. But if you start with
Speaker 3: that roadmap and you have an idea, it just makes
Speaker 3: for better content.
Speaker 1: It's not like, well I could look it up, You've
Speaker 1: got most of it there. Take care of it on
Speaker 1: the front end the back and will be much easier.
Speaker 1: That's that's how I approach this whole business as well.
Speaker 2: EJ.
Speaker 1: I want to start with this for you in this draft,
Speaker 1: because you know, shoot, what's his name, I think Billy?
Speaker 1: On Twitter, Billy M had a great tweet about how like,
Speaker 1: I think it's actually no such thing as a bad draft,
Speaker 1: and he had the famous meme right of like the
Speaker 1: unpopular opinion, and people took it the wrong way saying like, oh,
Speaker 1: you mean there's literally no team can have a bad draft.
Speaker 1: He's like, no, there's a collection of talent. You can't
Speaker 1: have a bad draft in general. And that's the knock
Speaker 1: you keep hearing across this year's draft. We had Daniel
Speaker 1: Jeremiah on it who talked about how you can load
Speaker 1: up on stars in this draft. Might not be the
Speaker 1: massive crop of all pros, but they're stars all over
Speaker 1: this draft. And so what I want to ask you
Speaker 1: about is how would you define this year's class, Like
Speaker 1: what makes it special?
Speaker 2: What's unique about it? What makes it tick?
Speaker 1: When you think about the twenty twenty five class, What
Speaker 1: is the first thing that comes to your mind as
Speaker 1: a whole.
Speaker 2: I guess yeah, it's a great question, Travis.
Speaker 3: And one I'm being asked a lot today, and one
Speaker 3: I really kind of want to dig into because I
Speaker 3: think this draft has been unfairly labeled as bad and
Speaker 3: that's I think an oversimplification of what people say about
Speaker 3: this draft. I don't think it's a bad draft. I
Speaker 3: think it's a very good draft. I think when people
Speaker 3: say bad, it is a synonym for it lacks a
Speaker 3: bunch of players at flashy positions, so the quarterback class
Speaker 3: you'll hear about over and over again as as lighter
Speaker 3: or weaker than typical years. Same thing with wide receiver.
Speaker 3: Those are i'll say high visibility positions and people who
Speaker 3: don't spend a lot of time on the draft.
Speaker 2: And I'm that's fully okay, I'm one of the weird ones.
Speaker 3: When you really dig in and look at this draft,
Speaker 3: there is a wide middle class of players that will
Speaker 3: be productive pros for years and years and build the
Speaker 3: base of your team. To me as a draft analyst,
Speaker 3: that's a good draft. That's an exciting draft. That's a
Speaker 3: draft where you can really make some hay as a
Speaker 3: general manager. But I think the bad label comes because
Speaker 3: there's not the flash that people are used to, so
Speaker 3: they just go ass not good.
Speaker 1: And the funny part about that is we're getting that
Speaker 1: commentary from people that we you know, run in these
Speaker 1: circles with. And if you're listening to this podcast, there's
Speaker 1: no way that you only care about the top ten
Speaker 1: picks the draft. You listen to this podcast because you
Speaker 1: care what Miami might do in the seventh round, you know,
Speaker 1: come Day three of the draft. And so, like I
Speaker 1: understand for the casual fan, like, oh, there's not you know,
Speaker 1: six quarterbacks that I have keep an eye on this year.
Speaker 2: So maybe that's the disconnect.
Speaker 1: But like, we're here with a group full of people
Speaker 1: that feel the same way about it that you and
Speaker 1: I do, So I don't understand the disconnect there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think that among the folks that really
Speaker 3: put in the time, and you have Daniel, Jeremiah and
Speaker 3: you know, I'm sure you'll have Dane and Jordan Reid's
Speaker 3: here and I talked to all those guys. Matt Miller's
Speaker 3: coming in tonight. You know, we have these conversations about
Speaker 3: what do you feel?
Speaker 2: What do you see?
Speaker 3: And you asked me about the strength of the class,
Speaker 3: and we'll get into that, but overall, we asked that
Speaker 3: question and it's resounding. Nobody has said I actually really
Speaker 3: think it's a weak draft or bad draft or a
Speaker 3: thin draft.
Speaker 2: People say the same thing throughout the middle.
Speaker 3: It's an exciting draft and we're gonna see a lot
Speaker 3: of movement that maybe we quote unquote don't expect because
Speaker 3: when you have a lot of similar grades, teams are
Speaker 3: gonna view them differently because of their coaching styles or
Speaker 3: their current roster build or whatever else, and we're gonna
Speaker 3: see them pick players much quote unquote earlier, and then
Speaker 3: maybe we think they should. For every action that happens
Speaker 3: like that, there's a corresponding move down the board and
Speaker 3: a players available later that you thought maybe wasn't gonna
Speaker 3: be there. So I think it's gonna be really exciting
Speaker 3: year for the NFL Draft.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: One of the themes I've been discussing all week long
Speaker 1: with my guest is how the Dolphins, you know, they
Speaker 1: have needs, And I think another big misconception is that
Speaker 1: kind of the way of business in modern NFL is
Speaker 1: a lot of one and two year deals, short term deals,
Speaker 1: and that produces a heavy turnover rate every single year.
Speaker 1: And so I see, you know, and this is across
Speaker 1: all fan bases, like they're worried about the number of
Speaker 1: needs they have, like but that's just kind of how
Speaker 1: it works nowadays. So I think that this draft also
Speaker 1: offers something that has beneficial to Miami in the sense
Speaker 1: that they really are kind of set at a lot
Speaker 1: of the key positions. Your quarterbacks, receivers, your tackles. They
Speaker 1: got two young tackles in there, you know, on top
Speaker 1: of Toront Armstead, who will see what happens with him
Speaker 1: long term. Here, they've got young Edges and Chop and
Speaker 1: Jalen Phillips and Jalen Ramsey still there at the cornerback position,
Speaker 1: so that the key spots are kind of spoken for.
Speaker 1: But they have all these these needs at you know,
Speaker 1: I don't want to say less than positions, but positions that,
Speaker 1: in terms of your resource allocation, are going to cost
Speaker 1: you less. And those are the group that have a
Speaker 1: way of finding more talent deeper in the draft. And
Speaker 1: EJ correct me if I'm wrong, man, but I feel
Speaker 1: like it's a perfect spot for the Dolphins to get
Speaker 1: their pickings in with, you know, having a couple of
Speaker 1: safeties that are on are going to hit free agency,
Speaker 1: having a defensive tackle spot that's kind of not really
Speaker 1: set in stone right now, the guard position, all these
Speaker 1: spots that are cheaper than the quarterbacks and the receivers.
Speaker 1: I think they have a chance to kind of knock
Speaker 1: it out of the park there. And there's a lot
Speaker 1: to choose from in this particular draft. You asked me
Speaker 1: earlier about the strength of this draft class, defensive tackle
Speaker 1: is absolutely one.
Speaker 3: I'm sure with DJ you talked about it that last year.
Speaker 3: At this time, he had twenty something grades of defensive
Speaker 3: tackles that were draftable twenty three something like that. This
Speaker 3: year he's got forty two, forty one, forty two danes
Speaker 3: the same way.
Speaker 2: It's literally doubled.
Speaker 3: So if you are one of those teams like the
Speaker 3: Dolphins that lines up needs with availability, yes, you have
Speaker 3: multiple chances throughout this draft to not only do it early,
Speaker 3: you could do it late. You can wait for one
Speaker 3: of those guys that we talked about at the top
Speaker 3: that might slide down because you know, I the beholder,
Speaker 3: somebody like somebody else better, and you get to the
Speaker 3: third or even fourth round, you're looking at a guy
Speaker 3: that probably would have been taken in the second last year.
Speaker 3: He's still available in the fourth and he's going to
Speaker 3: contribute to your football team. So that kind of depth
Speaker 3: is available in this draft at defensive tackle, at running back,
Speaker 3: at tight end. You know, could even be tackled depending
Speaker 3: on how you look at the class. As long as
Speaker 3: you're not looking for frontline first day number one starter,
Speaker 3: you can get tackle depth in this draft. So launch
Speaker 3: of positions that, yeah, maybe a little bit less sexy
Speaker 3: than you know, the typical but if you need to
Speaker 3: build your football team, this year is the year to
Speaker 3: do it.
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna give you a pretty specific question here
Speaker 1: because you talked about the tackle depth, yeah, provided to Ron.
Speaker 1: Armstead's not back with the Miami Dolphins, and again we
Speaker 1: don't know for sure whether which way that's going to go.
Speaker 1: Mike McDaniel had meshinat has press conference that they're going
Speaker 1: to operate as if he is not back, and he
Speaker 1: hasn't made the decision yet, and I think part of
Speaker 1: the stuff, part of the thing that could kind of,
Speaker 1: you know, influence that decision making is you took Patrick
Speaker 1: Paul in the second round last year and he played
Speaker 1: really well in his reps as rookie. And then Austin Jackson,
Speaker 1: who has been a really good player the last couple
Speaker 1: of years despite some injuries here and there. I think
Speaker 1: when you talk about the swing tackle position, it's so
Speaker 1: imperative in today's NFL, especially you know, Austin's missed some games.
Speaker 2: Tron. We'll see if he's back, but he's missed some games.
Speaker 1: You kind of have to have that third tackle, and
Speaker 1: I think a lot of times, especially with how linemen
Speaker 1: are developed nowadays in the college game, you might lean
Speaker 1: more towards a veteran in that position. But let's say
Speaker 1: that Miami doesn't get that on the free agent market.
Speaker 1: This is a very specific question, so I hope you're
Speaker 1: ready for it, like day two, maybe early day three.
Speaker 2: Can you think of.
Speaker 1: A tackle prospect that kind of catches your fancy that
Speaker 1: maybe is a guy that can come in learn the
Speaker 1: system in August, in through the preseason, not have to
Speaker 1: worry about starting games right away, and get that development
Speaker 1: on track in case he has to come into a
Speaker 1: game in October November and can be ready as a rookie.
Speaker 2: It's a very on the nose us, but who.
Speaker 1: Give me, basically a tackle that you think is NFL
Speaker 1: ready that might not go super early.
Speaker 2: It's so specific. It is specific. However, it's a position that.
Speaker 3: Not only the Dolphins are in because as any NFL team,
Speaker 3: even if you've got a pair that you like of
Speaker 3: starting NFL tackles, you really have to think about what
Speaker 3: your team looks like without either one of them, because
Speaker 3: they're a rolled ankle or a sprain elbow away from
Speaker 3: being out, and then how does your team look? And
Speaker 3: that looks actually quite different. So third tackle swing tackle
Speaker 3: becomes incredibly important, and yes, development curves and system matches
Speaker 3: become really important because you might need that guy in
Speaker 3: game four of his career or game ten. And there
Speaker 3: are guys in this draft you talk about end of
Speaker 3: day two range going into the.
Speaker 2: Top of day three.
Speaker 3: Really when you're going to be spending a resource on
Speaker 3: that position. I think Marksimbow from Purdue is a really
Speaker 3: interesting guy that is going to be somewhere, maybe after
Speaker 3: this week a little bit higher. He might be up
Speaker 3: in the eighties, but if he slid down into the nineties,
Speaker 3: that's absolutely a value pick.
Speaker 2: Charles Grant is a name.
Speaker 3: That your listeners might not be super familiar with tackle
Speaker 3: from William and Mary, and that's the reason, and that
Speaker 3: again he's gonna have a great week here at the
Speaker 3: comment is a very good athlete. He's gonna show out.
Speaker 3: These tests are really made for him. But his tape
Speaker 3: is also good. It's a level of competition question that
Speaker 3: he answered some of those in his All Star game.
Speaker 3: We'll see how the Dolphins in particular feel about him.
Speaker 3: But he's going to be a again end of day
Speaker 3: two tight pick. If you're going farther down the board
Speaker 3: than that, I like John Williams. I saw him at
Speaker 3: the Shrine Bowl. He's Cincinnati's tackle. He showed me some things.
Speaker 3: Logan Brown from Kansas, it's another guy I liked. I
Speaker 3: was watching their running back Devin Neil kept looking at
Speaker 3: their tight ends and tight ends blocked tremendously, and then
Speaker 3: you kind of move into tackle and you're like, tackle's
Speaker 3: taking care of guys.
Speaker 2: Who's that.
Speaker 3: It's Logan Brown. He's in this draft as well. And
Speaker 3: then way way down the board, I know you're a
Speaker 3: Kugart heart as a pole is a fantastic player. Attackley
Speaker 3: didn't play football in high school. Started trying to block
Speaker 3: pass rushers in the Pac twelve last year, which is
Speaker 3: not too ridonculous.
Speaker 2: No last year, okay, okay, okay, okay.
Speaker 3: So he's been two years and this year he played
Speaker 3: the dregs of the zombie Pac twelve, right, but improved
Speaker 3: so much and great player, very strong again. Got to
Speaker 3: interview him, got to learn a little bit about his
Speaker 3: journey as an athlete, but also how he's thinking about it,
Speaker 3: how he takes coaching, how much progress he's made in
Speaker 3: just two years. And you look at the feet again,
Speaker 3: former basketball player, he's got great size, he's getting the strength.
Speaker 2: Might be a.
Speaker 3: Year away from being at full strength NFL style, but
Speaker 3: there's so much to work with there. And if you
Speaker 3: look at mock drafts or big boards right now, some
Speaker 3: of them he's not even on the ones he is on.
Speaker 3: He's in like the two eighties, which is a not
Speaker 3: draftable grade. I don't think he's gonna be there two
Speaker 3: and a half months from now. I think he'll be
Speaker 3: up in the two orders. You two, Victis, That's still
Speaker 3: an incredible value at a very important position.
Speaker 1: That's why I wanted to get you in the show
Speaker 1: because we're talking about potential pipeline developmental guys, and that's
Speaker 1: kind of where Miami has to go this year because
Speaker 1: of the I guess cyclical nature of their team building
Speaker 1: philosophy that was so draft heavy for the first couple
Speaker 1: of years of this build. It got aggressive going after
Speaker 1: veteran talent, which has been a big production piece for
Speaker 1: the Miami Dolphins team offensively and defensively. But now it's
Speaker 1: kind of time to restock the cupboard and get those
Speaker 1: pipeline pieces in their developmental willhouse. And by the way,
Speaker 1: Charles Grant did crack DJ's top fifty. I don't know
Speaker 1: if you saw that, Yeah, yeah, forty eight or forty nine,
Speaker 1: something like that in the top fifty there, so's he
Speaker 1: has not slept on anymore if he was. Let's close
Speaker 1: with this EJ the quarterback position, and you remember this summer.
Speaker 1: I always love to tell the audience that if you
Speaker 1: want to get smarter about football, watch the Bootleg divisional previews.
Speaker 1: They go down every single team. They knock out every
Speaker 1: single acquisition and coaching change and scheme and what it
Speaker 1: might look like and how all that fits together. It's
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Speaker 1: You go out to the beach with your family, you
Speaker 1: go out to the park, you go you dial up
Speaker 1: a YouTube episode of the Bootleg Football podcast and get
Speaker 1: smarter about football. And I clipped off your discussion about
Speaker 1: QB two a Tongua Bai looa. And you know, I
Speaker 1: don't I'm not interested in fighting against narratives anymore because
Speaker 1: I feel like he's proven that we don't have to
Speaker 1: do that anymore. You know, health issues aside, but his
Speaker 1: production on the field has been very, very good, a
Speaker 1: very good quarterback. But my question for you is, and
Speaker 1: I asked coach mcdanielis so no pressure, no no no
Speaker 1: pressure going in comparison against the head coach to Miami Dolphins.
Speaker 1: But when you think about how his career has evolved
Speaker 1: from you know, kind of RPO quarterback in the start
Speaker 1: to a downfield merchant who was taking these deep shots
Speaker 1: and connecting for Tyreek and Wall for all these massive yards.
Speaker 1: Then this last year defense has kind of shifted and
Speaker 1: they had to play the quick game way more.
Speaker 2: And it wasn't RPO.
Speaker 1: It was just like, get through the progression, bang bang
Speaker 1: ball out in two seconds. Let's keep them offense move him,
Speaker 1: And I thought his efficiency in executing the off was
Speaker 1: the best version of to a tongue of I looa.
Speaker 1: Whether you agree or not is besides the point. I'm
Speaker 1: curious what the offense looks like. Do they pivot? How
Speaker 1: does how do they build around that fact? Do you
Speaker 1: try to go back to the aerial attack? Like what
Speaker 1: does this Dolphins offense to you need to do to
Speaker 1: take the next step in twenty twenty five and not
Speaker 1: just you know, be a team that when he's healthy
Speaker 1: wins eleven twelve games, but to get to that point
Speaker 1: and then knock the door down once they.
Speaker 2: Get into the postseason. Another long specific question for you.
Speaker 3: It is a long specific question, and all I have
Speaker 3: to do is be better than the head coach. So
Speaker 3: no big deal, no, I really, as I look at
Speaker 3: the Dolphins, I don't worry about their offense. Really again,
Speaker 3: as long as two is healthy and leading this offense,
Speaker 3: the Dolphins are a very effective team and they win
Speaker 3: a lot of games in that alignment, in that position,
Speaker 3: let's put it that way. So I don't worry about
Speaker 3: their offense for the first three months of the season.
Speaker 3: When I do have concerns about their offense, and it's
Speaker 3: not because they haven't invested in the offensive line. They
Speaker 3: don't have that smash mouth piece to them. They can,
Speaker 3: in certain situations grind out small amounts of yards. What
Speaker 3: I don't feel like they can do is grind out
Speaker 3: whole games using that philosophy. Because they do lean so
Speaker 3: heavily on to his skills and their receiver skill set,
Speaker 3: and they're very, very good at it.
Speaker 2: That's hard to do, especially.
Speaker 3: As the weather turns lousy and you guys go north
Speaker 3: at the end of the season. Fields can be sloppy
Speaker 3: and you just need that ability. We saw through the
Speaker 3: playoffs with all the teams that were available in the playoffs,
Speaker 3: the further you went, the better those teams were at
Speaker 3: running the ball, and the team that won the championship
Speaker 3: was the best team out running the ball.
Speaker 2: The Dolphins need to develop some of that. I'm not
Speaker 2: saying pivot to.
Speaker 3: Becoming a smath mouth football team and forget about all
Speaker 3: the other stuff. If you can marry those two to
Speaker 3: a more effective balance, I think your chances as the
Speaker 3: season progresses are better.
Speaker 1: And we've heard both Chris Career and Mike McDaniel address that.
Speaker 1: In fact, McDaniel said at a press conference on Tuesday,
Speaker 1: like we probably will invest both in freegency and in
Speaker 1: the draft in that position. So it sounds like you're
Speaker 1: not breaking news there with those guys. But what does
Speaker 1: that look like because we've seen, you know, the Rams
Speaker 1: kind of made a similar pivot over the last couple
Speaker 1: of years and they went heavy in freegency on the
Speaker 1: offensive line, and the way coach McDaniel spoke, it sounds
Speaker 1: like they're thinking the same thing. And I kind of
Speaker 1: like the idea of the veteran acquisitions there too, because
Speaker 1: it's more plug and played ready to roll.
Speaker 2: What does that look like for Tua?
Speaker 1: Because my thought is if you have all that stuff
Speaker 1: we just talked about in his game and then you
Speaker 1: marry that with a team that can punch in the
Speaker 1: mouth and run a four minute offense and kill some
Speaker 1: clock and kill some games, I kind of feel like
Speaker 1: he's the perfect quarterback to put.
Speaker 2: In that situation. Like am I crazy?
Speaker 3: Like you're not crazy? And I think it's good for him.
Speaker 3: And it seems odd to be on a podcast saying, hey,
Speaker 3: to a throwing a little bit less is good for him.
Speaker 3: It's going to protect him, it's going to give the
Speaker 3: team something to lean on that is not just specifically him.
Speaker 3: It's a lot of pressure for any quarterback right to
Speaker 3: take some pressure off. Hey, best friend of a quarterback
Speaker 3: is a strong run game, you know, a very sure
Speaker 3: handed tight end as an outlet.
Speaker 2: These are classic things that people say typically about younger quarterbacks,
Speaker 2: but believe me, older quarterbacks appreciate it too. So what
Speaker 2: does it look like.
Speaker 3: It's funny you say heavy heavy's doing a lot of
Speaker 3: work in that phrase, because not only did they invest heavily,
Speaker 3: but they also went heavier. It's three hundred and thirty
Speaker 3: pounds each on the inside of that rams offensive line.
Speaker 3: Dolphins can go a little bit that route too and
Speaker 3: just try and beat people up. We're seeing that sort
Speaker 3: of it's a pendulum in the NFL, and we're seeing
Speaker 3: it swing back to a heavy dose of a heavy
Speaker 3: run game with big guys, more gap in power coming
Speaker 3: right at you, trying to knock those smaller linebackers off
Speaker 3: the ball in the second level and then hoping you're
Speaker 3: running back can beat one guy and then you're getting
Speaker 3: those extra yards. If the Dolphins can do that and
Speaker 3: Tua has to do less again, we've seen he can
Speaker 3: do more, but let's not require it every game and
Speaker 3: down the stretch so that we're a little bit more
Speaker 3: insulated from any possibility, whether that's bad weather, whether that's health,
Speaker 3: whether that's health outside of toua right, other players on
Speaker 3: the offense who are keys that might go down.
Speaker 2: You know, you lose a waddle for four games. Hey,
Speaker 2: if you've got strong.
Speaker 3: Power run game, it's gonna mean a little bit less
Speaker 3: and you might drop one less of those games, which
Speaker 3: at the end, as you know, can add up to
Speaker 3: a division.
Speaker 2: Makes a big difference.
Speaker 1: I think I think we saw some of that in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three when they had Austin Jackson, Rob Hunt
Speaker 1: grinding out there and Connor Williams. Those guys got banged
Speaker 1: up late in the season and I think kind of
Speaker 1: went back in the same direction you're talking about there.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I just I really view that as like
Speaker 1: kind of their their you know, their pathway back into
Speaker 1: playoff relevance and winning games at that point of the season.
Speaker 1: I'll close with this, and you know, this is a
Speaker 1: conversation you have to have around two at this point
Speaker 1: because of what he's put on tape in terms of
Speaker 1: the availability, is that they're gonna have to find a
Speaker 1: backup quarterback for him this year, and whether that's in
Speaker 1: the draft or in free agency, we don't know.
Speaker 2: Again, Coach McDaniel mentioned that.
Speaker 1: He believes it will will exhaust resources in both areas
Speaker 1: and find out who's the best fit for that. In
Speaker 1: terms of who might be the best fit, it's not
Speaker 1: gonna be a first round pick, we know that much,
Speaker 1: but a Day two guy that you think might maybe
Speaker 1: surprise some folks in terms of how high they go
Speaker 1: for the quarterback.
Speaker 2: Maybe a Day three guy. I didn't ask.
Speaker 1: Coach that because I feel like he wouldn't divulge that
Speaker 1: information to me. I just could get the hunch that
Speaker 1: he wouldn't. But Jordan Reid gave me a couple of names.
Speaker 1: So that's what you're up against in this one.
Speaker 3: Oh jeez, well, position the parade of luminarias that you're
Speaker 3: stacking me up.
Speaker 2: I'm just proving your worth.
Speaker 1: I'm showing the folks those are the folks that you
Speaker 1: can compete with because you're that thick of a rockstar.
Speaker 3: I deeply appreciate it. It would be great if you
Speaker 3: could buy quarterback futures because I think Kyle McCord is
Speaker 3: gonna have a very good week when the drills start
Speaker 3: later on this week here Nity, and I think.
Speaker 2: He's one of those guys that's in the mix in
Speaker 2: the middle of.
Speaker 3: The depending on how you look at it, the second tier,
Speaker 3: the third tier at quarterbacks.
Speaker 2: I think he's gonna quote unquote rise right.
Speaker 3: If you are familiar with Syracuse's offense, it will not
Speaker 3: be much of a surprise to you. That was a
Speaker 3: killer's row of offense and he was the trigger guy
Speaker 3: all year long. I think he's gonna surprise some people
Speaker 3: here and again, if you can buy the future ticket
Speaker 3: right now and say, can we get.
Speaker 2: Him where he is right now come draft time, that
Speaker 2: would be a great value for the Dolphins.
Speaker 3: I don't think they're gonna have that luxury because he
Speaker 3: is gonna rise, so you're gonna be probably looking farther
Speaker 3: down in the draft than that. I'm gonna go with
Speaker 3: Seth Hennigan A Memphis a good deal. I would go
Speaker 3: with Seth Hennigan there. He has some things in his
Speaker 3: game that I appreciate and like and think would be
Speaker 3: let's say, amplified working with a guy like coach McDaniel,
Speaker 3: and I think there's a lot there to work with.
Speaker 3: I don't think it would be a huge shift from
Speaker 3: what he did in college. Every quarterback coming from college
Speaker 3: to the pros has adjustments to make less or so,
Speaker 3: and he's got skills that already made to plug into.
Speaker 3: Both the offenses are all three of the offenses we've
Speaker 3: talked about in terms of iterations of the Dolphins offense.
Speaker 2: So gonna be available later on down. But also a.
Speaker 3: Guy I think is going to add a little bit
Speaker 3: of shine to his star over the next four to
Speaker 3: five days.
Speaker 2: Jordan's quarterbacks for Colin McCord and Dylan Gabriel.
Speaker 3: Just in case you were, oh, Dylan, I could absolutely
Speaker 3: see Dylan if they were going for the same thing
Speaker 3: they had into it, yeah, because he is a very
Speaker 3: quick distributor, sees the ball or sees the field very well,
Speaker 3: and he'll throw over the middle.
Speaker 2: Even though I'll.
Speaker 3: Tell you this, I was at a Lead eleven this
Speaker 3: summer got to see Dylan because every year they have
Speaker 3: three guys back as alumni counselors.
Speaker 2: For those of you that don't know, at Lead eleven.
Speaker 3: Is a passing camp for top end high school prospects
Speaker 3: who are getting ready to commit to college or have
Speaker 3: already committed to college.
Speaker 2: Dylan was one of the lum counselors.
Speaker 3: They came back, and I gotta say, there's a lot
Speaker 3: of guys I don't recognize as specially from college, because
Speaker 3: they wear helmets and this is just shirt and shorts
Speaker 3: on a field in San Diego in the middle of July,
Speaker 3: and I was with somebody and I said, who's that
Speaker 3: he goes that's Dylan Gabriel, dude, And I was like, really, okay,
Speaker 3: Dylan's a little shorter.
Speaker 2: Than I thought he was. But when you watch the tape,
Speaker 2: he doesn't play short.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think also the fact that he has so
Speaker 1: many college reps too, I can kind of bypass what
Speaker 1: the Dolphins need in that position, which I think is
Speaker 1: someone that's ready to step in and win games in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five, because the sure if two goes down,
Speaker 1: you know you win. If they just win one more
Speaker 1: of those games this year, they're probably playing January once again.
Speaker 2: So great stuff, EJ. You're the man.
Speaker 1: The Bootleg Football Podcast as well as the Bear Era podcast.
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Speaker 3: Oh, Bootlegs, you're gonna have a ton of content. We're
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Speaker 3: but also we're going to get to record a podcast
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Speaker 2: On Bootleg Channel on YouTube and Bear Era.
Speaker 3: We're doing live streams once a month in the off
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Speaker 1: You do enough good hard work, you can find yourself
Speaker 1: on the field of the scouting combine. Just like bretton AJJ,
Speaker 1: appreciate your time today, man, thank you. That's absolutely no
Speaker 1: happy to have the chance, and away he goes. Let's
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Speaker 2: Fins up. Caroline and Cameron Daddy were just coming home.