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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt Foundations podcast, your guide

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Speaker 1: to the fundamentals of better deer hunting, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Tony Peterson. Hey everyone, welcome to the wire to Hunt

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Speaker 1: Foundations podcast, brought to you by First Light. Today's episode

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Speaker 1: is all about strategies to fill a tag in the

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Speaker 1: last days a gun season when it feels hopeless. When

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Speaker 1: you look at the success rates for general gun seasons

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Speaker 1: across the board, when do you are killed during these

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Speaker 1: general gun seasons. The bulk of the filled tags happen

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Speaker 1: in the first two days. After that, success rates just

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Speaker 1: dropped like a rock. In some states. That's something like

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Speaker 1: the deer killed are killed in the first two days

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Speaker 1: of season. That is some serious front loading, my friends.

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Speaker 1: But that doesn't mean you don't have a chance as

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Speaker 1: the gun season drags on you do. You're just gonna

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Speaker 1: have to figure out how to hunt like others won't hunt.

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Speaker 1: Any deer hunter, regardless of chosen weapon except for maybe

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Speaker 1: muzzle loader, is probably feeling the heat right about now.

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Speaker 1: Last week I broke down a bow hunt with a

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Speaker 1: gun strategy to kill more dear and pressured states, but

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Speaker 1: in a lot of areas, a single week of gun

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Speaker 1: coverage doesn't cut it. You know, some states like Iowa

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Speaker 1: have shorter gun seasons, of course, but others like New

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Speaker 1: York have weeks of rifle hunting. But even along guns,

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Speaker 1: he's intend to convince the majority of rifle hunters that

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Speaker 1: they should sit the same stands and do the same

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Speaker 1: drives they've done since Grandpa bought the land right after

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Speaker 1: he made it home from Europe, or the Pacific Theater

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Speaker 1: in the forties. And as I said last week and

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Speaker 1: about I don't know seventeen other weeks so far with

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Speaker 1: this podcast, you don't want to do what others do.

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Speaker 1: You don't want to hunt the way others hunt because

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Speaker 1: that nets you typical success rates which are not that great.

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Speaker 1: You want to be different, and hopefully you're hunting thicker

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Speaker 1: cover and giving up the range of your rifle to

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Speaker 1: sit where the bucks are right now. But what if

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Speaker 1: that's not working? After all? If all hunting advice worked

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Speaker 1: for everyone, I wouldn't have to give it anymore, and

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Speaker 1: I'd be laying side somewhere or asking you guys, if

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Speaker 1: you want any sauces with your chicken nuggets, if you've

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Speaker 1: got a tag left. I don't care if it's a

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Speaker 1: buck or a doughtag. This is low standards fourth quarter

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Speaker 1: stuff here, and you've got to figure out what should

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Speaker 1: you do to get around? Dear. The times that I've

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Speaker 1: been in this situation, I've almost always defaulted right back

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Speaker 1: to my public land roots. Now this goes for when

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Speaker 1: I'm hunting public land, of course, but also even if

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Speaker 1: I'm on private land. And what I mean by that

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Speaker 1: is the deer that have survived the gun season so

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Speaker 1: far are totally clued into what's going on. There's no

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Speaker 1: wondering on their part. They're not thinking, I wonder if

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Speaker 1: the gun season is really going on right now. They absolutely,

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Speaker 1: without doubt, no, they know it's going on, and they

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Speaker 1: react accordingly. But they are also in tune to the

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Speaker 1: entirety of the season and more importantly, the day to

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Speaker 1: day fluctuations in pressure. Now. Just think, for example, about

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Speaker 1: like a three year old buck that has his gun

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Speaker 1: season hideouts. He knows he's going to get into them

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Speaker 1: before first light, and he's gonna lay up in a

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Speaker 1: couple of acres until total darkness. You can try to

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Speaker 1: or he really lock eyes with him, He's probably not

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Speaker 1: going to blow out like some dumb, panicky cotton tail.

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Speaker 1: He also probably doesn't stay better all day long in

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Speaker 1: the saun or the wind changes, or he just us

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Speaker 1: his belly. Hell, he might walk to the edge of

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Speaker 1: security cover to poke his nose out and sniff for

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Speaker 1: late cycling ladies. After all, he wants to survive, But

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Speaker 1: those biological urges are strong ones, and he's not above

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Speaker 1: trying to sneak in a last run at any dose

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Speaker 1: that might be willing to give him a shot. The

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Speaker 1: odds of him doing that, or any of this stuff,

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Speaker 1: which all offers you a chance, go way up when

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Speaker 1: And actually I should put that a different way. Bucks

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Speaker 1: Think about it this way out there somewhere, probably up

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Speaker 1: Even though he's always on the lookout for a patch

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Speaker 1: the gun pressure is lower than usual. That's important because

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Speaker 1: aren't when they're relaxed. This goes for all members of

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Speaker 1: hunters just don't have the mindset to keep going. I've

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Speaker 1: muzzle or tag in Minnesota, probably a decade ago, in

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Speaker 1: the part of the state I was hunting. The first

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Speaker 1: But I had a tag, had an evening free, and

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Speaker 1: I've got permission to hunt. Now, this dairy farm is

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Speaker 1: usually covered in hunters, but there weren't any trucks parked

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Speaker 1: headed my way. Those youngsters, not exactly the Mensu members

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Speaker 1: it turned out to be true the next year. To

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Speaker 1: totally contradicted last week's advice of getting into rabbit cover

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Speaker 1: the beginning of gun season, for example, might truly demand

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Speaker 1: a boasts style hunt where you're far the shot at

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Speaker 1: the gun crowd is back at work for the week,

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Speaker 1: Ditto for that November rain that makes it hard to

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Speaker 1: out there versus the perfect twenty degree still day. In fact,

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Speaker 1: a good rule to follow when hunting with a lot

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Speaker 1: if you're in a general gun season on most properties,

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Speaker 1: of TV hunters say you should do perfect dear, weather

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Speaker 1: time your hunts for when others won't or don't think

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Speaker 1: and since you're going hunting anyway, just go hunting. Spends

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Speaker 1: this week, my friends, Thank you so much for listening.

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