1 00:00:04,720 --> 00:00:07,640 Speaker 1: All right, guys, welcome to Always Hungry from My Heart Radio. 2 00:00:07,760 --> 00:00:09,560 Speaker 1: My name is Bobby Flay and I'm here with my 3 00:00:09,640 --> 00:00:12,520 Speaker 1: daughter and co host. I'm Sophie Flay. Yes you are, 4 00:00:12,920 --> 00:00:15,160 Speaker 1: and I'm Always Hungry. Sophie and I gather around my 5 00:00:15,240 --> 00:00:18,680 Speaker 1: stove to cook together. Well, you cook, I asked the questions, 6 00:00:18,720 --> 00:00:22,279 Speaker 1: and eat the food. That's also accurate. That's if there's 7 00:00:22,280 --> 00:00:24,200 Speaker 1: any food left. We come to the table together to 8 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:26,720 Speaker 1: share a meal, connect as a family, and tell the 9 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:29,320 Speaker 1: stories that matter to us. All right, dad, what are 10 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:33,320 Speaker 1: we talking about on this episode? Talking about burgers? Let's 11 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:40,400 Speaker 1: go Okay, we're recording burger time. Okay, So I'm gonna 12 00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:43,920 Speaker 1: make classic cheese burgers because I think that, you know, 13 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:45,880 Speaker 1: you can make all kinds of fancy burgers and stuff 14 00:00:45,920 --> 00:00:47,960 Speaker 1: like that, but like, if you know the foundation of 15 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:50,280 Speaker 1: how to make a burger, you can build off from there. 16 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:53,479 Speaker 1: So the first thing you have to decide is like, 17 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:55,360 Speaker 1: how are you gonna cook it? This is gonna be 18 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:58,280 Speaker 1: a beef burger with American cheese. But I'm actually gonna 19 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:00,320 Speaker 1: cook it on top of the stove. And I always 20 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:02,960 Speaker 1: cook my burgers in a cast iron pan like in 21 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:05,640 Speaker 1: Bobby's Burger Palace. We cook it on a griddle, which 22 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:08,040 Speaker 1: is a flat top, not a grill. You could cook 23 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:10,000 Speaker 1: it outside and a grill, but I like it on 24 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:15,680 Speaker 1: a griddle. Do you know why? Why do you know? Okay? 25 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:18,520 Speaker 1: Because you get a really great crust, and then when 26 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:20,880 Speaker 1: the juices come down, it stays in the pan and 27 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 1: then becomes part of the burger itself, as opposed to 28 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:27,080 Speaker 1: falling through the credits, like trapping all the juices. Yeah, exactly, 29 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:30,800 Speaker 1: all right, So I have some burgers here, some beef burgers, 30 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:33,080 Speaker 1: and then I put my thumb in the middle of 31 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:36,560 Speaker 1: the burger and make a well. Yes, yes you do. 32 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:39,280 Speaker 1: That's like your thing, that's your signature things, my thing. 33 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:42,039 Speaker 1: But do you know why I'm doing it? Okay? Great, 34 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:46,880 Speaker 1: Clearly you haven't really been paying attention. Have you have 35 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 1: a cooked a burger? Definitely grilled a burger before? Okay? 36 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:55,280 Speaker 1: You have? Yeah, where I don't know, on vacation. I'm challenging. 37 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:58,840 Speaker 1: I'm challenging that the validity is I'm gonna gracefully bow 38 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:01,160 Speaker 1: out things though. Anyway. The reason why I put a 39 00:02:01,160 --> 00:02:03,240 Speaker 1: well in the middle of the burger because when you 40 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:06,000 Speaker 1: cook a burger, it plumps up like a football. Right, 41 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:08,400 Speaker 1: the jewice gets warm inside it, it kind of becomes 42 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:10,200 Speaker 1: like the shape of a football. We wanted to be 43 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:12,799 Speaker 1: the shape of a burger. And what happens is when 44 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:15,280 Speaker 1: that when it plumps up like that, people take the 45 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:18,079 Speaker 1: back of their spatula and they press down on the burger. 46 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:20,280 Speaker 1: They get it back to the shape. But then you're 47 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 1: squeezing out all the juices and you lose all the 48 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 1: flavor and the juiciness. Okay, so what I'm doing is 49 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:28,839 Speaker 1: I'm faking out the burgers so that it comes back 50 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:33,560 Speaker 1: to its normal shape. Oh, got it. It's a good trick. Yeah. 51 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:38,800 Speaker 1: Where do you learn that? Burger school? I don't no idea. 52 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:42,560 Speaker 1: We are in Los Angeles, California, and today we're talking 53 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 1: about what makes a good burger. You're smiling just looking 54 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:46,760 Speaker 1: at me right now because I said the word burger. 55 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:48,840 Speaker 1: It's like, I think everybody feels that way in some way, 56 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:52,320 Speaker 1: shape or form. Even vegetarians like burgers because there's things 57 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 1: like veggie burgers and oh yeah, we're going to talk 58 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:57,680 Speaker 1: about that the impossible burger. Do you have many strong, 59 00:02:57,720 --> 00:02:59,679 Speaker 1: hard feelings about burgers that we need to know or 60 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 1: can just get right into it. I mean, we can 61 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:03,680 Speaker 1: just get right into it. It's pretty easy. We both 62 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:07,520 Speaker 1: love cheeseburger. Yeah, salt and pepper on both sides are 63 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:09,920 Speaker 1: like a lot of salt and pepper, social salt, cractic 64 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:13,400 Speaker 1: black pepper. Okay. So now, so we have canoa oil 65 00:03:13,919 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 1: and we have a hotcast iron pan, and you can 66 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:19,480 Speaker 1: hear it sizzle immediately. This isn't fake podcast sound. This 67 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:23,440 Speaker 1: is real burger sound. And what happens now is you 68 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:26,320 Speaker 1: do nothing. You notice I'm just standing here at the 69 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:30,040 Speaker 1: stove looking at you, and I'm not touching it. You 70 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:33,040 Speaker 1: have the burger on direct heat on the pan. What's happening? 71 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:36,480 Speaker 1: What do you mean? It's creating a crust. If you 72 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:40,120 Speaker 1: flip and turning, flipper stearing, it's searing. Exactly. If you 73 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:42,440 Speaker 1: flip and turn, and you flip and turn, you're not 74 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:44,880 Speaker 1: gonna get a nice brown crush. It's gonna be gray. 75 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:47,800 Speaker 1: You're not leaving it long enough, exactly. You're not allowing 76 00:03:47,880 --> 00:03:50,320 Speaker 1: the direct heat of the pan to do its job. 77 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:54,960 Speaker 1: All right, let's get down to the components. I always 78 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:57,880 Speaker 1: say that the burger is the quintessential sandwich. There's lots 79 00:03:57,880 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 1: of choices to make when it comes to a burger 80 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:02,400 Speaker 1: for six tests. First, let's talk about beef. There's a 81 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 1: ratio when you go to the store or you go 82 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:07,600 Speaker 1: to the butcher shop or whatever it is, you'll have 83 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:10,200 Speaker 1: choices there. If it's really really lean, if it says 84 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:14,160 Speaker 1: like lean, in my opinion, that's not good enough. You 85 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:17,160 Speaker 1: need more fat in your burger. So, like the classic 86 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:22,480 Speaker 1: ratio is beef fat. When the fat melts while you're 87 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:26,120 Speaker 1: cooking the burger, it creates juiciness, and obviously fat means flavor. 88 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:29,800 Speaker 1: If it's too lean, it's dry. So that's the no 89 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:32,719 Speaker 1: go I feel about turkey burgers. I don't love turkey burgers. 90 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:35,280 Speaker 1: A non beef burger that I do like is like 91 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:39,200 Speaker 1: a salmon burger that I really like. Yeah, but I 92 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 1: actually have a question for you. Okay, So the patty 93 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:44,120 Speaker 1: that you made and that you typically make for a 94 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:47,159 Speaker 1: burger is usually thicker. I feel like we kind of 95 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 1: have like a thin patty and then there's like a 96 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:51,560 Speaker 1: thick patty. There's I guess you call them smash burgers. 97 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:54,359 Speaker 1: At this point. They smash them down, and that burger 98 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:58,919 Speaker 1: it literally has no chance of being medium rare, let's say, right, 99 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 1: because you're smashing out all the juices out of it. 100 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:04,039 Speaker 1: When you cook a smash burger, the one thing that 101 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:06,719 Speaker 1: people are trying to do is just it's basically a thin, 102 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:11,320 Speaker 1: double sided crust. Yeah right, and and people like it. 103 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:13,080 Speaker 1: If you go to Shake Shack, for instance, that's what 104 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:15,440 Speaker 1: they're cooking. They're cooking smash burgers, and they use the 105 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:17,280 Speaker 1: back of the special and they push it down so 106 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:19,680 Speaker 1: that it smashes. That's the whole point. They smash it 107 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:22,159 Speaker 1: on the griddle and they get that really great crust. 108 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 1: So like, to me, there's really two kinds of beef 109 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:27,120 Speaker 1: burgers in the world. There's one that's sort of a 110 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:30,039 Speaker 1: thicker burger that you can cook it to order rare medium, 111 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:32,159 Speaker 1: rare medium, however you want to cook it, and it's 112 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:34,919 Speaker 1: got that sort of beefy flavor to it that you 113 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:37,120 Speaker 1: can really sink your teeth into. And then you have 114 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:40,800 Speaker 1: a smash burger, which is basically just a crusted burger, 115 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:43,839 Speaker 1: both satisfying. I also forgot that when we did the Flaylist, 116 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:47,480 Speaker 1: we went to Black Tap and we had the Theresa burger, 117 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:51,919 Speaker 1: which I also love. That's a not beef pork. So 118 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:55,560 Speaker 1: thereizo is like the Mexican or Spanish style pork sausage. 119 00:05:55,640 --> 00:05:57,760 Speaker 1: But you like flavor, which, like I'm happy to say, 120 00:05:57,800 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 1: like I think that you got that from me feeding you. 121 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:04,599 Speaker 1: You like food with flavor? Yeah, you like food with flavor? Well, 122 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 1: I mean why not? Who want bland food? No? I know. 123 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:09,720 Speaker 1: I But it's funny though, because I always read like 124 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:13,520 Speaker 1: if I see reviews of your restaurants gone yelp or something, 125 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:17,480 Speaker 1: it's like so like some people comment so much salt, 126 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:21,000 Speaker 1: and like, I understand that, but I don't know. I 127 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:22,960 Speaker 1: mean everything we go for it. One of the true 128 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:26,440 Speaker 1: differences between a professional cook and at home cook is 129 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:28,600 Speaker 1: that we really go for when it comes to seasoning. 130 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:30,680 Speaker 1: Just in general, we push the envelope. How you feel 131 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:34,279 Speaker 1: about the Impossible Burger and beyond burger plant based burgers. 132 00:06:34,839 --> 00:06:39,840 Speaker 1: It's tricky because I really feel passionate about trying to 133 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:43,680 Speaker 1: do what's best for the environment, and plant based burger 134 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:47,120 Speaker 1: is a more environmentally friendly way to eat a burger. 135 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 1: But I don't like all of them. That being said, 136 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:53,840 Speaker 1: one burger chain that I really like that is a 137 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:57,000 Speaker 1: plant based burger, and Impossible Burger is Monty's Good Burger. 138 00:06:57,080 --> 00:06:59,240 Speaker 1: What's that? You know? I don't know if they're outside 139 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:03,280 Speaker 1: of l or California, but there's three locations here. There's 140 00:07:03,279 --> 00:07:05,200 Speaker 1: one in Echo Park, there's one in Koreatown, and there's 141 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:08,400 Speaker 1: one somewhere else. And they serve impossible burgers yep, really, 142 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:13,680 Speaker 1: and for me, it's been one of my favorite plant 143 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:17,280 Speaker 1: based burgers that I've had. And the patties are thicker, 144 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:19,400 Speaker 1: which I think is also where because I think you 145 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:22,440 Speaker 1: see like a tooth thin. Usually yeah, they're usually too thin, 146 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:25,240 Speaker 1: but you can also do like double stacked or whatever 147 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:27,200 Speaker 1: they call it. But yeah, I really like this, and 148 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:30,480 Speaker 1: I think it looks the most similar. I feel like 149 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:32,360 Speaker 1: everyone knows what a burger looks like and has that 150 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:35,440 Speaker 1: picture perfect image in their head, and that seems to 151 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:38,560 Speaker 1: also look the most similar to in my opinion, to 152 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 1: a Yeah, but what does it taste like? You feel 153 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:42,160 Speaker 1: like it tastes like a beef burger. I feel like 154 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:45,680 Speaker 1: it tastes very close. Really. Yes, Okay, so you're a fan, 155 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 1: all right, but it's not my first choice, Like I'm not. 156 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:51,960 Speaker 1: What's your choice? How much would it be a beef burger? Yeah? Okay, 157 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:54,000 Speaker 1: so you're still on the beef burger. Yeah, for sure. 158 00:07:54,480 --> 00:07:56,320 Speaker 1: I don't know. I think that if they said you 159 00:07:56,360 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 1: can't have a beef burger or a turkey burger, it 160 00:07:59,080 --> 00:08:00,760 Speaker 1: has to be vegetable, as I would go with a 161 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:02,880 Speaker 1: veggie burger, you know, it would make something with either 162 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:05,680 Speaker 1: chickpeas or black beans or keeno or something along those lines. 163 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 1: About mushroom, yeah, I use mushrooms in mine as well. 164 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:10,400 Speaker 1: And mushrooms work really nicely because it has that media 165 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:30,760 Speaker 1: like texture and flavor. Let's take a peep, and I 166 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:33,480 Speaker 1: like mine to be really crusty, nice and brown. This 167 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:36,240 Speaker 1: burger is about six and a half pouncers or something 168 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:38,400 Speaker 1: like that, and it doesn't take that long. How do 169 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:41,680 Speaker 1: you like your bird cooks? Medium? Okay, all right, let's 170 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:45,719 Speaker 1: see you can put it looks pretty good. Yeah, I 171 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:48,840 Speaker 1: think crusty. Let's turn that over. All right, let's move 172 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:51,680 Speaker 1: on to cheese. I would say that of the great 173 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:54,199 Speaker 1: chefs of the world, one American cheeses on their burgers 174 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:57,520 Speaker 1: because it just works. It's one of those things that 175 00:08:57,559 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 1: works really well and melting credibly well. It has a 176 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:04,480 Speaker 1: tangy flavor to it, and it obviously reminds a lot 177 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:07,000 Speaker 1: of us of our childhood. And that's what a burger 178 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:10,160 Speaker 1: does is great for nostalgia. It's a great satisfying feeling. 179 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:13,480 Speaker 1: I grew up eating cheeseburgers in a place called j G. Melon, 180 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:16,920 Speaker 1: which you know all about, and simplest burger in the world, 181 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:19,840 Speaker 1: but the most satisfying burger. And of course it was 182 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:22,400 Speaker 1: American cheese. But I always have two slices of American 183 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:24,679 Speaker 1: cheese on my burgers, whether it's at Bobby's Burgers or 184 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:27,600 Speaker 1: in my house, like we made it just now. I 185 00:09:27,640 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 1: think that the cheese that gets used a lot that 186 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:34,680 Speaker 1: I think is not a good choice is Cheddar. Why. 187 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:38,120 Speaker 1: To me, it's all about the meltability of cheese. You 188 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:41,200 Speaker 1: must melt the cheese completely, Okay. I actually have signs 189 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:43,400 Speaker 1: in the kitchen at Bobby's Burgers where people are cooking 190 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:47,240 Speaker 1: it says Bobby says, melt the cheese completely, because it 191 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:50,199 Speaker 1: drives me crazy when you order a burger, because it 192 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:53,320 Speaker 1: just tastes better and it looks bad. Funny, when I 193 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:55,680 Speaker 1: was making the burger just now and I revealed it melted, 194 00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:58,840 Speaker 1: you're like, oh, that looks really good. I got you. 195 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:04,600 Speaker 1: You're done, You're finished, Okay, Cheddar sweats it doesn't melt it. 196 00:10:04,679 --> 00:10:06,880 Speaker 1: I mean, it melts kind of, but it it's it's 197 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:09,560 Speaker 1: wax here. I don't like the texture of it. I'd 198 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:12,440 Speaker 1: rather use something like Fontina, which is an Italian selt 199 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:15,920 Speaker 1: cheese melts beautifully, has a little nuttiness to it. Munster 200 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:19,480 Speaker 1: another good cheese that you can find easily, melts incredibly well. 201 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:22,640 Speaker 1: Monterey Jack melts well too, but it doesn't taste like anything. 202 00:10:22,760 --> 00:10:27,960 Speaker 1: It just tastes like melted. And then Swiss works nicely too, 203 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:30,000 Speaker 1: you know, a gree air or something like that. Yeah, 204 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:33,559 Speaker 1: what's your number one cheese? I mean for burger definitely 205 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:36,440 Speaker 1: American cheese, But like I was saying before, I like 206 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:42,920 Speaker 1: a goat cheese burger too, and not melts pretty well. Okay, 207 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:46,400 Speaker 1: what happens with goat cheese like fresh coat cheese, is 208 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:49,200 Speaker 1: that it doesn't melt like American cheese melts, So it 209 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:51,160 Speaker 1: doesn't just like surround the burger. Yeah, but if you 210 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:53,440 Speaker 1: soak the goat cheese and olive oil and you wait 211 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:56,360 Speaker 1: a little bit, then it's easier to spread. Could you 212 00:10:57,080 --> 00:11:01,040 Speaker 1: The goat cheese tip? Sophy Flay, bring the noise and 213 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:03,559 Speaker 1: goat cheese about all I've got in terms of food tips. 214 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:06,680 Speaker 1: I like that about blue cheese. I can't do it. 215 00:11:06,679 --> 00:11:09,640 Speaker 1: It works, but I don't love blue cheese strong flavor. Yeah, 216 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:12,480 Speaker 1: but you know, beef and blue cheese is a classic combination. Yes, 217 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:16,920 Speaker 1: blue cheese with steaks and a red wine sauce, so delicious. Perfect. Okay, 218 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:19,679 Speaker 1: we have the beef, we have the cheese. Button. Now. 219 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:21,840 Speaker 1: You said something to me before about like a bun 220 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:23,880 Speaker 1: is very important. What's your thought? Yes, I think it's 221 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:26,680 Speaker 1: just as important as the patty, for sure, because I 222 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:30,040 Speaker 1: think a bun that's too dry, or that's too soggy, 223 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:32,760 Speaker 1: or two it is tough the right word, too firm 224 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:35,679 Speaker 1: to firm, yeah, ruins a burger for me. It breaks 225 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:39,320 Speaker 1: the burger up. Like I don't love the rio burger 226 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:42,160 Speaker 1: bun trend to buttery. No, not too buttery. I think 227 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:45,000 Speaker 1: it's too firm. Also, the bottom can fall apart easily. 228 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:46,839 Speaker 1: You know what a potato bun is. Yeah, how do 229 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:49,120 Speaker 1: you feel about those? I like potato buns. Yeah, they're nice, 230 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:52,520 Speaker 1: but they get soggy too, especially if they get like 231 00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 1: if you take it to go, your burger's ruined by 232 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 1: the time you get sesame season. Yeah. I like sesame seeds. 233 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:00,320 Speaker 1: Do you I do? Too, but not everybody likes. We 234 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:02,400 Speaker 1: serve it at Bobby's Burgers. But a lot of people 235 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:06,320 Speaker 1: have seed allergies or allergies for everything these days, as 236 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:08,360 Speaker 1: we know, so you have to really be careful and 237 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:11,120 Speaker 1: have alternatives for people to eat. We've only flipped our 238 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:14,240 Speaker 1: burger one time. All right, I put two pieces of 239 00:12:14,360 --> 00:12:17,360 Speaker 1: cheese on my burger, oh, edgeway, And here's the way 240 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:19,840 Speaker 1: I've melt it. Okay, this is an old sort of 241 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:24,080 Speaker 1: Greek diner like New York City Greek diner trick. You 242 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:27,000 Speaker 1: take some water, okay, and you put it in the 243 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:29,240 Speaker 1: bottom of the pan and you cover it at the 244 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:36,000 Speaker 1: same time. Ready, and you can see it. It creates steam. 245 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:39,440 Speaker 1: So it's doing two things. It's cooking the edges of 246 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:42,080 Speaker 1: the burger because remember, like you have the crust on 247 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:45,760 Speaker 1: both sides. But it's also melting cheese perfectly, and you 248 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:54,959 Speaker 1: must melt the cheese. All right, Right, let's think about Yeah, Wow, 249 00:12:55,360 --> 00:12:57,880 Speaker 1: that looks so good. That's the money shot right there, 250 00:12:58,400 --> 00:13:02,839 Speaker 1: amazing because you've you there. Oh my god, that looks good, right, 251 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:06,320 Speaker 1: looks so good because that look like your birds. Yeah, 252 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:14,640 Speaker 1: there's there's actually no video evidence of you ever colicking 253 00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:18,199 Speaker 1: your burger and there never will be ridiculous. Okay, So basically, 254 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:21,400 Speaker 1: so now here's what we got. We have a cheeseburger 255 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:24,280 Speaker 1: on a bun. Let's go to the continent station. Okay, 256 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:29,320 Speaker 1: all right, let's get right down to the nitty gritty. 257 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:30,800 Speaker 1: What are you going to put on your burger? I 258 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:33,040 Speaker 1: mean that's really the it's really the question today. Just 259 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:36,440 Speaker 1: so so you guys understand. We have ketchup, We have 260 00:13:36,520 --> 00:13:40,280 Speaker 1: Dijon mustard. Now, I didn't have any pickles pickles, which 261 00:13:40,520 --> 00:13:43,719 Speaker 1: is mistake, a complete mistake. Obviously. I looked at my 262 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:46,480 Speaker 1: refrigerator and I was a gas that didn't have many pickles. 263 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:49,520 Speaker 1: But we do have halopenia pickles. And sometimes I make 264 00:13:49,679 --> 00:13:52,640 Speaker 1: pickled red onions, but I have raw red onions because 265 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:55,440 Speaker 1: I know you like raw onion. We have tomatoes. I 266 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:58,720 Speaker 1: also made this for you, which is a Chipotle ketchup, 267 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:00,880 Speaker 1: which is something I love to use. I have a 268 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:03,520 Speaker 1: burger chan called Bobby's Burger Palace, and we use Chippotle 269 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:06,080 Speaker 1: catch up in that story as well. And then there's 270 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:07,920 Speaker 1: all kinds of other things. You can put anything on 271 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:11,920 Speaker 1: the burger, as they say, you know, avocados, mushrooms, you know, 272 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:13,719 Speaker 1: depending on what kind of cheese you want to use, 273 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:15,840 Speaker 1: and then of course let us. The only let us 274 00:14:15,880 --> 00:14:19,000 Speaker 1: I had in my refrigerator was rugela, which is, you know, 275 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:21,080 Speaker 1: if you're making sort of an Italian saw burger, that 276 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:24,200 Speaker 1: kind of works, right, But I think you want something 277 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:26,080 Speaker 1: crispier than that. Yeah, I mean, if I'm going to 278 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:27,880 Speaker 1: use a rugla on a burger, then I want like 279 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:30,560 Speaker 1: goat cheese on my burger. Okay, we didn't have that 280 00:14:30,640 --> 00:14:34,200 Speaker 1: luxury today though. Sorry. Sorry, I'll get you some goat 281 00:14:34,240 --> 00:14:36,520 Speaker 1: cheese for your fancy burger. And so what are you 282 00:14:36,560 --> 00:14:39,840 Speaker 1: gonna do here? So I'm probably gonna put everything on 283 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:46,720 Speaker 1: my Yeah, I love this Chippotle catch up because I 284 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:49,880 Speaker 1: actually really like a Chipotle male on my burger, which 285 00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:52,200 Speaker 1: is kind of a newer thing I get, I mean 286 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:53,960 Speaker 1: not new new. So can I give you a little 287 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:57,840 Speaker 1: quick little trivia question? Why? Why? Because I want to 288 00:14:57,880 --> 00:15:00,760 Speaker 1: make sure that you're learning as we're talking. I'm your father. 289 00:15:00,920 --> 00:15:02,960 Speaker 1: That's the whole that's a part of your life is 290 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:04,840 Speaker 1: that you have to answer questions that I ask you. 291 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:07,480 Speaker 1: I know, but you're always asking me questions that you're 292 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:10,320 Speaker 1: the expert on and then I just feel dumb. Oh no, no, no, 293 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:12,560 Speaker 1: that's not true. I ask you questions because I want 294 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:14,640 Speaker 1: you to learn and have knowledge. I want you to 295 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:20,840 Speaker 1: rule the world. You know what a chipotle is for pepper? 296 00:15:21,520 --> 00:15:24,160 Speaker 1: That's the answer. What kind of pepper? What do you mean? 297 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:29,960 Speaker 1: What kind of peppers? Well, it's pretty specific. Okay, you're 298 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:35,800 Speaker 1: telling me to go. Okay, Sophie, it's a smoke talapano. Okay, yeah, 299 00:15:36,120 --> 00:15:38,160 Speaker 1: there you go. So I'm putting some ketchup on mine 300 00:15:38,160 --> 00:15:40,840 Speaker 1: as well, and I'm gonna put some red onion because 301 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:42,920 Speaker 1: I like that crunch. You know that the red onion 302 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:45,040 Speaker 1: gives it, you know, it kind of cuts through the richness. 303 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:49,200 Speaker 1: And then I'm gonna put some potato chips. I always 304 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:52,880 Speaker 1: always potato chips on a burger. I've actually trademarked the 305 00:15:52,920 --> 00:15:56,560 Speaker 1: word crunch of five for for Bobby's Burgers, because we 306 00:15:56,680 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 1: put thin crisp potato chips on any burger for free 307 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:01,400 Speaker 1: if you want it, and it gives it that like 308 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:04,080 Speaker 1: contract and texture that I think of burger needs. And 309 00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:06,120 Speaker 1: I'm gonna put some pickled palepenos just because I need 310 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:08,400 Speaker 1: some heat on my burger. So here's my burger. Already 311 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:14,800 Speaker 1: American cheese melted too, slices, thin red onion, pickled halapenos, 312 00:16:14,880 --> 00:16:17,880 Speaker 1: and then some ketchup and some potato chips for some crunch. 313 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:20,960 Speaker 1: You go, okay, well, I'm still working on it, but 314 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:25,600 Speaker 1: I have the chipotle catchup, a little digon mustard, putting 315 00:16:25,800 --> 00:16:31,200 Speaker 1: some tomato, a little red onion, and potato chips. Oh, 316 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:34,240 Speaker 1: and I'm gonna put some rug law on for some 317 00:16:34,320 --> 00:17:01,160 Speaker 1: healthy Noish Mark cheese burgers are just so satisfying. Okay, So, 318 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:03,280 Speaker 1: Sophie l A and you, you you are two huge cities, 319 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:06,160 Speaker 1: lots of burgers, but really a different approach. You come 320 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:10,200 Speaker 1: to l A. It's probably somewhere between twelve and fifteen 321 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:12,600 Speaker 1: seconds before somebody tells you that you have to go 322 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:15,720 Speaker 1: to in and Out. I love in and out? Why 323 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:18,000 Speaker 1: what is it? What's the secret? What's the magic? I 324 00:17:18,040 --> 00:17:19,920 Speaker 1: was looking at their website. I was reading like a 325 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:22,359 Speaker 1: little bit about their history, and something I wanted to 326 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:25,640 Speaker 1: ask you about was they say they mustard cook the patties, 327 00:17:25,840 --> 00:17:28,320 Speaker 1: so that means that there's a little bit of mustard 328 00:17:28,359 --> 00:17:32,040 Speaker 1: on the patties and then they flip it. Because I 329 00:17:32,119 --> 00:17:33,639 Speaker 1: knew you were going to ask me this question. If 330 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:35,080 Speaker 1: we talked about in and out, But that was something 331 00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:38,000 Speaker 1: that really stood out to me when trying to look 332 00:17:38,040 --> 00:17:39,600 Speaker 1: into it a little bit more. Obviously, you know, they're 333 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:42,080 Speaker 1: also known for animal style, so that Thousand Island sauce 334 00:17:42,119 --> 00:17:45,320 Speaker 1: we were talking about, that's part of you know, making 335 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:49,320 Speaker 1: your meal or order animal style, right, but mustard cook 336 00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:51,520 Speaker 1: have you done that? Do you do that for burgers? 337 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:53,600 Speaker 1: But is that something they talk about or is something 338 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:56,120 Speaker 1: like like the No, it's on their website on there 339 00:17:56,480 --> 00:17:59,359 Speaker 1: is about Yep. You know that's really interesting because you know, 340 00:17:59,359 --> 00:18:02,040 Speaker 1: we're talked about mayonnaise before, and one of the secrets 341 00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:04,760 Speaker 1: to a really good grilled cheese is slathering it with 342 00:18:04,800 --> 00:18:07,920 Speaker 1: mayonnaise on the outside and it gives it that golden 343 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:10,639 Speaker 1: brown sort of crispy texture and the mayonnaise really helps it. 344 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:13,840 Speaker 1: So mustard on a burger to cook it. So while 345 00:18:13,840 --> 00:18:16,439 Speaker 1: they're cooking it, they use mustard. Yes, wait, hold on, 346 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:19,040 Speaker 1: are you looking it up? Yes, that's a pretty cool idea, 347 00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:21,159 Speaker 1: I know, but to me it would sound like it 348 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:24,280 Speaker 1: wouldn't get crusty. Maybe they don't get crusty. So their 349 00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:26,480 Speaker 1: history is they do it in kind of like a timeline. 350 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:30,240 Speaker 1: So one animal style burgers prepared. The first animal style 351 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:33,840 Speaker 1: burger is created in response to customer requests. To prepare 352 00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:36,760 Speaker 1: your burger animal style, we mustard cook the beef patty 353 00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:39,560 Speaker 1: and add your choice of hand leaped lettuce, tomato, and 354 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:41,960 Speaker 1: then you know, whatever else. So they mustard cook it. 355 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:44,840 Speaker 1: I've never even heard that before. Is that interesting? I know? 356 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:46,800 Speaker 1: And then I looked up what mustard cookie was. I 357 00:18:46,840 --> 00:18:48,399 Speaker 1: was like, is it what I think it is? Or 358 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:50,760 Speaker 1: and it is. I think in New York City there's 359 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:52,840 Speaker 1: lots of people that have the favorite burgers and stuff 360 00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:54,520 Speaker 1: like that, but I think J. G. Melnd is like 361 00:18:54,560 --> 00:18:58,960 Speaker 1: the go to So why I don't know. I mean, honestly, 362 00:18:59,119 --> 00:19:03,400 Speaker 1: it's like it because of flavor, but also childhood memories 363 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:06,200 Speaker 1: elements kind of mixed in with that. There's some childhood 364 00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:08,159 Speaker 1: memories there. But like I grew up in that place. 365 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:10,600 Speaker 1: I was born in nineteen sixty four. It opened in 366 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:13,840 Speaker 1: nineteen seventy two, and I would say from the time 367 00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:15,840 Speaker 1: I was eight years old going in there with my 368 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:18,760 Speaker 1: dad after like playing in Little League games, I've been 369 00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:22,080 Speaker 1: eating that burger forever. And so yes, it makes me 370 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:24,680 Speaker 1: think about that's what a burger should taste like. It's 371 00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:27,639 Speaker 1: the simplest burger. The bun is really simple and soft. 372 00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:30,520 Speaker 1: They say that the meat is their own proprietary blend 373 00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:33,320 Speaker 1: of different things, so of course there's something there. There's 374 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:35,520 Speaker 1: there's sort of a nice sort of inherent sweetness to 375 00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:38,280 Speaker 1: the meat, which is really really nice. They cook it 376 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:40,639 Speaker 1: on a griddle, which is I think is important. So 377 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:42,280 Speaker 1: they get a really nice crust on the outside, and 378 00:19:42,280 --> 00:19:43,879 Speaker 1: they put American cheese on it and they give it 379 00:19:43,880 --> 00:19:45,240 Speaker 1: to you. Was like, you know, an onion. I mean, 380 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:48,480 Speaker 1: it's like there's like there's nothing visual that you see 381 00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:51,919 Speaker 1: that says this is why this is New York's great burger. 382 00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:55,320 Speaker 1: But you ask anybody that goes there and they're like, oh, 383 00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:58,280 Speaker 1: J G. Mlains, I'm obsessed. It's just you know, In 384 00:19:58,320 --> 00:20:01,040 Speaker 1: and Out has that and they just had it has 385 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:03,800 Speaker 1: that sort of that cultural draw. And when you go 386 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:07,560 Speaker 1: into Melons, there's almost has like a saloon type of 387 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:11,840 Speaker 1: feel in there. Has it changed since the day you 388 00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:14,919 Speaker 1: remember going in your early years. Not? I don't think it, No, 389 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:17,760 Speaker 1: not at all. I really don't know. That's part of 390 00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:20,919 Speaker 1: it too. It's classic. It's it's old school. So I'm 391 00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:23,119 Speaker 1: going to tell you a very quick story about something 392 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:24,639 Speaker 1: that you don't know about me that has to do 393 00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:27,280 Speaker 1: with J G. Melons. Well, I'm not gonna tell you 394 00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:30,119 Speaker 1: all the story because I knew it, but but this 395 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:32,119 Speaker 1: is kind of an interesting one. You know, the drinking 396 00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:36,560 Speaker 1: age and across the United States is now, Okay, it 397 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:38,720 Speaker 1: never used to be that way. What are you laughing at? 398 00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:41,520 Speaker 1: I felt like I was like getting a pinball machine. 399 00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:44,119 Speaker 1: So when I was eighteen years old, I had my 400 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:47,200 Speaker 1: first legal drink at the bar at GG Melons with 401 00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:51,600 Speaker 1: a cheeseburger. Okay, literally like a few months later they 402 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:54,720 Speaker 1: changed it to nineteen. So then I had to stop 403 00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:58,000 Speaker 1: drinking because it was illegal, and I had to wait 404 00:20:58,040 --> 00:21:00,560 Speaker 1: till I was nineteen. So when I was nineteen, I 405 00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:04,400 Speaker 1: then had my next first legal drink at the bar JG. 406 00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:06,439 Speaker 1: Melons with a cheeseburger. And then you know what they 407 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:11,280 Speaker 1: did after that? They changed in one nightmare. So then 408 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:15,200 Speaker 1: I've had I had my first three legal drinks within 409 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:18,320 Speaker 1: a three year period at JG. Melons with a cheeseburger. 410 00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:21,159 Speaker 1: So I just felt like they were doing this just 411 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:28,119 Speaker 1: to me. That's really funny. Yeah, it is, alright, So Sophie, 412 00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:31,040 Speaker 1: you're satisfied with your burger and your burger choices. Yes, 413 00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:33,560 Speaker 1: you did a great job, Thank you very much. I'm 414 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:35,720 Speaker 1: now full. But do you have to deserve it after 415 00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:38,240 Speaker 1: a burger? Or is it you have a milkshake? That's right, 416 00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:41,480 Speaker 1: black and white milk drink. Bring out the milkshakes, Bob, 417 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:43,760 Speaker 1: bring out the milkshakes, all right, Fire up the blender. 418 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:49,520 Speaker 1: Always Hungry is created by Bobby Flay and Sophie flag. 419 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:54,680 Speaker 1: Our executive producer is Christopher Hasiotis. Always Hungary is produced, edited, 420 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:58,080 Speaker 1: and mixed by Jonathan hows Dressler. Always Hungry is engineered 421 00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:01,080 Speaker 1: by Sophie Flay. For more, pod cast on my Heart Radio, 422 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:04,840 Speaker 1: visit the i Heart Radio app, Apple podcast, or wherever 423 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:06,320 Speaker 1: you listen to your favorite shows.