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Speaker 1: Time to get to know the new guy in charge

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Speaker 1: Zach Kershman joins me. The name to know is Justin Fry,

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Speaker 1: a longtime college coach who just landed his first gig

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Speaker 1: in the NFL. We discussed well we heard from Fry

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Speaker 1: when he met the media on Wednesday, plus mock draft talk,

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Speaker 1: and Zach continues to crank out those free agent primers.

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Speaker 1: It's Cardinals Cover two, Episode eight fifty one, and it

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Speaker 1: starts now.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Cardinals Cover two.

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Speaker 3: Buda Baker, What Heart? What rent? This guy's unbelievable.

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Speaker 3: He's at the ten half of five. He's it again.

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Speaker 1: So I do believe, Zach, we have to pay off

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Speaker 1: the teas from when we were last together here on

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Speaker 1: Cardinals Cover two, presented by Hyundai, probably partner of the

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Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals. The long Weekend and Extended weekend, some of

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Speaker 1: us went out of town, as we discussed a week ago. Yes,

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Speaker 1: you did go back home to Philadelphia, and the Bird

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Speaker 1: gang wants to know were you there or were you not?

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Speaker 3: I was near the parade. I will say, though, what

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Speaker 1: Were Cardinals gear at the parade?

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Speaker 3: I wore an Arizona hoodie.

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Speaker 1: At the parade all along the parade route.

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Speaker 3: Along the route. Yes, my friend told my college roommate Michael,

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Speaker 3: We were in an office building that kind of overlooked everything.

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Speaker 3: Did I see people climbing on poles in the distance?

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Speaker 3: I did I see people falling off poles? I also

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Speaker 1: And I do think it's great scouting report now for

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Speaker 3: While many people probably like, look, the Chiefs have been

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Speaker 1: Well. Speaking of the Cardinals head coach, we have been

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Speaker 3: He hit on all the keywords that you hear day

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Speaker 1: Are you okay here on this Wednesday afternoon, mere hours

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Speaker 3: Look, I made a promise to Parish Johnson Junior that

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Speaker 3: It's happening. It is. It's I'm seeing the I thought

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Speaker 1: Say no more? Then maybe we're back on top again.

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Speaker 4: When you press play and you watch, you want the

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Speaker 1: And we're hearing this again from players that either leave

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Speaker 1: Another phrase that Jonathan Gannon likes to use as far

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Speaker 3: They do love the game.

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Speaker 1: Another one from Justin Fry. Remember bird Gang. He has

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Speaker 3: so many different edg rushers and we say, oh, that

436
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Speaker 3: person is going to be tough to handle. We know

437
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Speaker 3: about the offensive line teams. It's not necessarily one offensive line,

438
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Speaker 3: and sure they get the credit and the praise, but

439
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Speaker 3: when you look at it being across all five, they're

440
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Speaker 3: all is one unit. That chemistry is strong. Those are

441
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Speaker 3: the units that are tough to beat.

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Speaker 1: And the thing to keep in mind here is This

443
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Speaker 1: offensive line is not broke. There's a vacancy or there

444
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Speaker 1: was a vacancy because someone got promoted.

445
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Speaker 3: The offensive line was great.

446
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Speaker 1: And now all of a sudden, okay, so you don't

447
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Speaker 1: need to do you don't need to overhaul anything. It's

448
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Speaker 1: just okay, how do we get just a little bit

449
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Speaker 1: better or how do we improve on some of the details.

450
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Speaker 1: And we heard all season how the details matter Monday

451
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Speaker 1: through Saturday, and you go execute on Sunday. Because this

452
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Speaker 1: offensive line, I mentioned it as well as they were

453
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Speaker 1: running the football, they did a fairly good job of

454
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Speaker 1: protecting Kyler Murray. Only thirty sacks allowed, fifth fewest in

455
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Speaker 1: the league. So again we'll have to wait and see

456
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Speaker 1: what new faces are brought in. You know your center

457
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Speaker 1: and yelled de for all you know, you're left tackle

458
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Speaker 1: in Paris Johnson Junior, who is very happy that Justin

459
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Speaker 1: Pry is in the building. Those two have a connection

460
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Speaker 1: at Ohio State back in twenty twenty two, so there

461
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Speaker 1: is some familiarity within that room. John Gaines is another

462
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Speaker 1: name that Fry has coached when he was at UCLA.

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Speaker 3: So what you called him Johnny Gaines? I did notice

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Speaker 3: that you called him Johnny Gaines, which is not something

465
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Speaker 3: anybody has called them.

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Speaker 1: I wonder if that's just some more of a personal level,

467
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Speaker 1: Like we're not quite on that level. Have we walked

468
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Speaker 1: up to mister Gaines, Hey, Johnny, how you doing? Like

469
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Speaker 1: would he look at us sideways?

470
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Speaker 3: Or just don't see him as a Johnny. I don't

471
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Speaker 3: see him as John.

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Speaker 1: Because that's all you know. Man.

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Speaker 3: I think I assume I've known him for the last

474
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Speaker 3: two years and he's been John Gaines, John Gains the second.

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Speaker 1: That might be something to research in the off season

476
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Speaker 1: the next time you run into too, mister Gaines.

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Speaker 3: Can we do we call you Johnny or John? Look,

478
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Speaker 3: it's the relationships that you build along the offensive line.

479
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Speaker 3: I talk about the offensive line union, We've ran articles

480
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Speaker 3: about it, We've talked about it here on the podcast.

481
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Speaker 3: Just how tight that room is. We heard about the

482
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Speaker 3: prank that they did on Isaiah Adams and Christian Jones

483
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Speaker 3: that they that they typically do for all rookies. We

484
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Speaker 3: know about the rookie duties that they have not many

485
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Speaker 3: other rooms have that because of just how strong and

486
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Speaker 3: how tight and how connected the offensive line is, and

487
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Speaker 3: to put in perspective when it's on the field, all

488
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Speaker 3: five people need to be doing their job because if

489
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Speaker 3: one person does their job incorrectly, that messes up the

490
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Speaker 3: entire unit. It's important to keep Kyler Murray upright. You

491
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Speaker 3: mentioned the stats only the thirty that he that he took,

492
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Speaker 3: and that's a that's a very solid number for a

493
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Speaker 3: quarterback that is as mobile and is always on the

494
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Speaker 3: move as elusive as Kyler Murray is.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of Kyler Murray because you knew it was gonna

496
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Speaker 1: come up during the talked about Wednesday, But a question

497
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Speaker 1: has to be asked of your new offensive line coach

498
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Speaker 1: about having a quarterback like Kyler Murray, a quarterback who

499
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Speaker 1: is mobile, What to take? What do you have to

500
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Speaker 1: do as an offensive lineman to block for a QB

501
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Speaker 1: like k One.

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Speaker 4: I mean, at the end of the day, you got

503
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Speaker 4: to keep the depth of the pocket, the engine pocket.

504
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Speaker 4: You know, by game plan, you would adjust where's the

505
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Speaker 4: elite rusher, who's the guy that you know on paper

506
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Speaker 4: or on tape you're watching saying, you know, we've got

507
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Speaker 4: to clean up and make sure we're making sure he's

508
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Speaker 4: not making the play. You know, that's game plan specific.

509
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Speaker 4: More along the lines, I mean, I think with Kyler.

510
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Speaker 4: I mean I will say this, you know, my entire

511
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Speaker 4: career of whether it being a player or coach or

512
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Speaker 4: three people, my entire career were on the sidelines. I

513
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Speaker 4: got up and made sure I went and watched, you know,

514
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Speaker 4: and I played with when Joe Thomas was playing. So

515
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Speaker 4: when we played against Wisconsin, you know, we get done

516
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Speaker 4: the coaches talking about the next series and then hey,

517
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Speaker 4: let me get up go watch this guy. You know

518
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Speaker 4: it did that and coaching, you know Lamar coach against

519
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Speaker 4: Lamar when as the Boston College and so same do

520
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Speaker 4: you get that?

521
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Speaker 3: Watch that?

522
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Speaker 4: And then when I was at UCLA, we played against Kyler,

523
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Speaker 4: and so that was another guy too. So excited finally

524
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Speaker 4: that I'm not having to get up to hurry to

525
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Speaker 4: watch him, but I can hear the play call and

526
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Speaker 4: watch him go execute.

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Speaker 1: Those are three names or two names outside of Kyler Murray,

528
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Speaker 1: Joe Thomas, All Pro offensive lineman, Lamar Jackson, multiple MVP

529
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Speaker 1: Award winner, and then I Football League. And you don't

530
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Speaker 1: often hear that from coaches. Players. Yes, sometimes you know

531
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Speaker 1: you're a defensive player, Okay, you're on the sideline, you

532
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Speaker 1: got a rest. But there are some offensive players that

533
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Speaker 1: you will sneak a peek to see what they're doing.

534
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Speaker 1: And as a player himself, Justin Froten, now I want

535
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Speaker 1: to see someone in my position how they do their job.

536
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Speaker 3: And then on.

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Speaker 1: The opposite side, watching Lamar Jackson do his thing at Louisville. Yeah,

538
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Speaker 1: he was spectacular, continues to be spectacular. Now all of

539
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Speaker 1: a sudden, he added Kyler Murray in that vein, because

540
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Speaker 1: Kyler does things that not a lot of quarterbacks can do,

541
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Speaker 1: are capable of doing, not only with his arms, but

542
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Speaker 1: with his legs as well.

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Speaker 3: Kyler Murray is one of one. And I understand that,

544
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Speaker 3: you know, the Twitter fingers out there would like to

545
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Speaker 3: say a lot of different things about Kyler Murray, and

546
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Speaker 3: everything is fair to have conversations about. But there's one

547
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Speaker 3: thing that cannot be denied as just the talent that

548
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Speaker 3: he brings to the table. He's so fast, he's so

549
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Speaker 3: mad when he does certain things that only he can do.

550
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Speaker 3: The only other player that could possibly do some of

551
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Speaker 3: those things is a guy like Lamar Jackson. And I

552
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Speaker 3: think as a football guy like Justin frye Is he

553
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Speaker 3: gets to appreciate what comes to the table when there's

554
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Speaker 3: a unique and special talent like a guy like Kyler Murray.

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Speaker 3: I also would want to be taking a peek from

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Speaker 3: the sidelines if I was able to. And that's at

557
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Speaker 3: college too. That's the Kyler Murray that was drafted first

558
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Speaker 3: overall in the draft. So I appreciate in our respect

559
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Speaker 3: the fact that he could admit that he was half

560
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Speaker 3: listening to the coaching staff because he wanted to make

561
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Speaker 3: sure that he had a good view along the sidelines

562
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Speaker 3: to see what Kyler Murray does best. And now you're

563
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Speaker 3: on the same side with one of the top quarterbacks

564
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Speaker 3: in the league. How do you make him better?

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Speaker 1: When it begins with the offensive line being able to

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Speaker 1: run the ball and then obviously pass protect to keep

567
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Speaker 1: k one upright. As I mentioned, one of the better

568
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Speaker 1: offensive lines in the league last season as far as

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Speaker 1: not allowing sack. Now, Kyler plays a large role in

570
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Speaker 1: that based off his mobility, But it is something that

571
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Speaker 1: the Cardinals always want to get better. You want to

572
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Speaker 1: keep your quarterback upright. You want to keep your quarterback healthy.

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Speaker 1: And Kyle the Murray, for the first time since his

574
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Speaker 1: second year in the league, played every single not just played,

575
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Speaker 1: started every single game this past season. So yeah, you

576
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Speaker 1: have a quarterback, you have a chance. You have a

577
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Speaker 1: healthy quarterback, you have an more of a chance to

578
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Speaker 1: be successful in the Cardinals again, making moves here right now,

579
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Speaker 1: just on the coaching staff. But coming up is free agency,

580
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Speaker 1: and I know you've been working hard on those free

581
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Speaker 1: agent primers on Asycardinals dot Com. Quarterbacks, the secondary and

582
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Speaker 1: specialists up this week in case you missed it. Last

583
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Speaker 1: week we talked about outside linebackers and tight ends. Still

584
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Speaker 1: to come, running backs, inside linebackers, wide receivers, and O line,

585
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Speaker 1: D line. But again we're all focused on combine next

586
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Speaker 1: week we kind of forget about free agency is ahead

587
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Speaker 1: of the draft, and those free agent primers give an

588
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Speaker 1: idea for who's on the roster, what might be still

589
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 1: some holes needed to fill, and maybe were the direction

590
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Speaker 1: the Cardinals might be headed.

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Speaker 3: Of course, in a lot of different conversations about the

592
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Speaker 3: key positions that people are curious about. We'll get to

593
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Speaker 3: the offensive line in the defensive line in the next

594
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Speaker 3: few weeks, but for right now, just looking at the secondary,

595
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Speaker 3: every single person that started for the Arizona Cardinals is

596
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Speaker 3: under contract already for this upcoming twenty twenty five season.

597
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Speaker 3: The only two players is Joey Blunt, who's a restricted

598
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Speaker 3: free agent, and Andre Shasherat, who they brought in after

599
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Speaker 3: training camp he went to Jacksonville, if I'm not mistaken,

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Speaker 3: And then towards the back end of the season, I'm

601
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Speaker 3: pretty sure right around the time when Jalen Thompson was

602
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Speaker 3: dealing with his ankle injury, they brought back Andre. So

603
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Speaker 3: when I was putting together the list of the cap

604
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Speaker 3: hits and the numbers, I was like, Wow, they are

605
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Speaker 3: loaded in this position. They have a lot of different players,

606
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Speaker 3: a lot of different options, and at the secondary specifically,

607
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Speaker 3: it's one of their strong suits. Now, would you like

608
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Speaker 3: to have a a little bit more consistency from your cornerbacks?

609
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Speaker 3: Would you like to see that second half of the

610
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Speaker 3: season you saw from Seam Murphy bunting in the beginning

611
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Speaker 3: half of the season. Of course you would. It's why

612
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Speaker 3: you brought a guy like him in during free agency.

613
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Speaker 3: It was very encouraging to see the jump that Starlink

614
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Speaker 3: Thomas took from year one as an undrafted guy as

615
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Speaker 3: a healthy scratch in his first few games with the

616
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Speaker 3: Cardinals and then becoming a starter towards the second half

617
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Speaker 3: of the season and this year starts fifteen of the

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Speaker 3: seventeen games, and then the other games were Max Maultin,

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Speaker 3: who you drafted in the second round. And in the

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Speaker 3: pipeline you have a guy like Elijah Jones who you

621
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Speaker 3: have no idea what you bring to the table because

622
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Speaker 3: he was dealing with an ankle injury. And oh yeah,

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Speaker 3: you also have a top five, top ten slot cornerback

624
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Speaker 3: in a guy like Garrett Williams. So in the secondary,

625
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Speaker 3: a lot of options for special teams. Look, it's not

626
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Speaker 3: going to be a as long as a draft or

627
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Speaker 3: long of a free agent special teams primer. That's a

628
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Speaker 3: mouthful to say, but we talk about the consistency. There's

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Speaker 3: been nobody more consistent. And you've been on the record

630
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Speaker 3: saying it. As a guy like Aaron Brewer, what he brings,

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Speaker 3: you can't remember a batsnap he's had in over the

632
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Speaker 3: previous few seasons he's been with the Arizona Cardinals. He's

633
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Speaker 3: a free agent. Do they bring him back on a

634
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Speaker 3: one year deal? I'm assuming if he wants to come back,

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Speaker 3: they would love to have him. There's a lot of

636
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Speaker 3: different things on the table right now for many Austin

637
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Speaker 3: for it and I'm not. I'm okay being behind the

638
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Speaker 3: microphone in this case decisions that need to be made.

639
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Speaker 3: You bring up the secondary and the fact that it

640
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Speaker 3: is a loaded room as far as the numbers are concerned,

641
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Speaker 3: it's a young room, specifically at cornerback. I do like

642
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Speaker 3: what they have in Max Meltin's Darling Thomas Garrett Williams,

643
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Speaker 3: and then of course the wild card and all this.

644
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Speaker 3: You brought him up, Elijah Jones. They invested a third

645
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Speaker 3: round pick in him and saw something on film and

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Speaker 3: their meetings with him that they wanted to make him

647
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Speaker 3: a day to selection. Now we didn't get the chance

648
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Speaker 3: to see him at all in twenty twenty four. But now,

649
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Speaker 3: all of a sudden, that room is young. But he

650
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Speaker 3: has no games under his belt. He does have that

651
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Speaker 3: height that you like. He's a little bit taller.

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Speaker 1: Than a typical corner at the re He's six to one,

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Speaker 1: and that, all of a sudden is maybe if you're

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Speaker 1: looking at the cornerback position specifically, not numbers wise, but

655
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Speaker 1: where can you get better at It's maybe a taller

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Speaker 1: physical cornerback to battle some of those wide receivers, those

657
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Speaker 1: pass catchers, especially within the NFC.

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Speaker 3: West and with that third round selection too. There are

659
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Speaker 3: a lot of different cornerbacks that were still on the board,

660
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Speaker 3: but the person that they compared him to was Garret

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Speaker 3: Williams because of his study habits during their interview his

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Speaker 3: play recall, those are stuff we talk about, the intangibles,

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Speaker 3: the characteristics that staff looks for in their players and

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Speaker 3: their coaches. Elijah Jones felt fit that mold, and that's

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Speaker 3: one of the reasons why they drafted him ninety zero overall. Now,

666
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Speaker 3: he did miss a handful of games at Boston College

667
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Speaker 3: in his last season, and when we asked him why,

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Speaker 3: he said he didn't really get into it, but he

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Speaker 3: said that the coaching staff is aware of it. Could

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Speaker 3: that have been injured related? I don't know, and I'm

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Speaker 3: not here to speculate, and I don't want anybody to

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Speaker 3: start speculating because he's a guy that's already in the building.

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Speaker 3: They he's shown his worth in some cases, They've they

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Speaker 3: opened up his practice window to try to get him

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Speaker 3: back out onto the field last season. So I'm eager

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Speaker 3: and a little bit anxious to see what he could

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Speaker 3: bring to the table. Because investing a third round pick

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Speaker 3: and a guy like Elijah Jones in a position of

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Speaker 3: need is certainly something worth keeping an eye on. His

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty five begins and continues.

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Speaker 1: Now, perhaps the best way to improve your secondary, to

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Speaker 1: improve your cornerback room is at the line of scrimmage.

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Speaker 1: A little bit more of a consistent pass rush, get

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Speaker 1: that quarterback uncomfortable, apply some of that pressure that Jonathan

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Speaker 1: Gannon preaches a lot. And that's what we've been seeing

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Speaker 1: as far as the number of mock drafts that had

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Speaker 1: been released, a lot of focus on the line of scrimmage,

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Speaker 1: whether that's defensive tackled, defensive end, or outside linebacker. Daniel

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Speaker 1: Jeremiah released his latest mock draft this week one point zero.

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Speaker 1: He went with that outside linebacker edge rusher type in

691
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Speaker 1: Jalen Walker. This time around, he went with Michigan defensive

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Speaker 1: tackle Kenneth Grant six three three forty two, someone that

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Speaker 1: appears to be rising up the ranks, if you will,

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Speaker 1: because in Daniel's first mock draft he had Grant going

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Speaker 1: to the Seahawks with the eighteenth overall pick. So again

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Speaker 1: two spot difference, but it does show what we've been

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Speaker 1: hearing that the depth along the defensive line is specifically

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Speaker 1: defensive tackle. There's some depth there as far as what

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Speaker 1: was it. Jeremiah mentioned that there were He had first

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Speaker 1: round grades on twenty four different defensive lineman compared to

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Speaker 1: twelve insane the year before so and one of those

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Speaker 1: is Kenneth Grant, who does provide a need at the

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Speaker 1: line of scrimmage, not only getting the stop with the run,

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Speaker 1: but someone that maybe again getting his hand up in

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Speaker 1: the air, bats some balls down, which he did very

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Speaker 1: well at Michigan, and maybe provide that interior pressure up

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Speaker 1: the middle.

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Speaker 3: The interior pressure, and he's a guy that was able

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Speaker 3: to get to the quarterback, always be able to throw

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Speaker 3: his hand up, whatever it takes. As long as the

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Speaker 3: Seattle Seahawks don't have another defensive lineman that correct the

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Speaker 3: game like a Leonard Williams did or Byron Murphy the

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Speaker 3: second who they drafted this past season, a guy out

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Speaker 3: of Texas, that defensive front would be very scary over

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Speaker 3: there in Seattle. So hopefully that does not happen, and

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Speaker 3: if the Cardinals decide to go defensive tackle, ken Grant

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Speaker 3: is a really solid option. Now wouldn't that be something though?

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Speaker 3: In Ohio State offensive line coach coaching up against a

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Speaker 3: defensive lineman from the team up north with.

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Speaker 1: A Penn State Nitney lion in between the two of

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Speaker 1: them asking.

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Speaker 3: Questions the football. Okay, I'm just making sure they weren't

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Speaker 3: coming after me. I'm the common enemy. But look, at

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Speaker 3: the end of the day, in Winston Or defensive line coach,

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Speaker 3: another big ten guy out of Minnesota. So wow, we've

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Speaker 3: got the big ten has taken over look. I think

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Speaker 3: when it comes down to it and you're talking about

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Speaker 3: the positions of need, it's the defensive front that is

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Speaker 3: going to stand out as that unit. And there are

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Speaker 3: a lot of different edge rushers in the twenty twenty

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Speaker 3: four draft class. Dallas Turner is a guy that slid

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Speaker 3: down some draft boards. He was as high as I

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Speaker 3: remember in the beginning half of the mock draft season

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Speaker 3: when people were know when Drake may wasn't really that guy,

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Speaker 3: or Jayden Daniels wasn't really that guy, and there wasn't

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Speaker 3: the let there be a fourth QB narrative that Paul

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Speaker 3: Calvic was pushing out there. Dallas Turner was a guy

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Speaker 3: that was even mocked to the Cardinals at number four,

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Speaker 3: and he slid all the way down to the Minnesota

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Speaker 3: Vikings in the middle of the draft. The Cardinals were

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Speaker 3: able to get a guy like Darius Robinson in the

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Speaker 3: first round. Darius Robinson benefited from the Senior Bowl and

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Speaker 3: from the All Star showcases the Combine because he was

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Speaker 3: able to show off those in angie boles and was

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Speaker 3: able to show off the athleticism that made him a

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Speaker 3: guy the Cardinals wanted to target there at twenty seven overall.

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Speaker 3: Now there's a lot more options for Monti Austin for

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Speaker 3: at pick sixteen. If you go interior defensive line, Kenneth

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Speaker 3: Grant is a great option.

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Speaker 1: Pair him with Darius Robinson, who's a little bit more

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Speaker 1: of an outside defensive end can be moved around across

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Speaker 1: that D line. But Grant a junior third team All American,

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Speaker 1: two times second team All Big Ten selection. As I

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Speaker 1: mentioned the passes defense at the line of scrimmage, he

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Speaker 1: finished with the most by a D lineman in school

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Speaker 1: history with eleven. And again, sometimes that's an art form

757
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Speaker 1: because if you can't get to the quarterback, at least

758
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Speaker 1: make it difficult for the quarterback to get the pass downfield.

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Speaker 1: Eleven passes defense by Kenneth Grant, that's a pretty lofty number.

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Speaker 1: John Degannon would say, Hey, sacks are not unnecessarily a

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Speaker 1: winning stat as long as you're able to shrup the

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Speaker 1: quarterback and get your hand on the football. That's what

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Speaker 1: Kenneth Grant was able to do with ease in the

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Speaker 1: Big Ten. By the way, Daniel Jeremiah compared Grant quote

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Speaker 1: in the mold of Dexter Lawrence three times, three time

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Speaker 1: Pro bowler for the New York Giants. So yeah, I

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Speaker 1: mean again, whomever it is, my feeling is it's going

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Speaker 1: to be someone along in the line of scrimmage, whether

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Speaker 1: that's offense defense or an edge rusher.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so you're not eliminating the potential of the Cardinals

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Speaker 3: drafting and offensive linement. I am not, no potentially one

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Speaker 3: out of Ohio State. We're gonna come full circle here.

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Speaker 3: I think that's the best way to do it and

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Speaker 3: the best way to end it.

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Speaker 1: Not directly asked to Justin Fry, but indirectly asked because

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Speaker 1: Ohio State does have a number of players who will

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Speaker 1: be at next week's scouting combine, as we will hear

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Speaker 1: on Cardinals cover two, but a number of players who

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Speaker 1: could find their names called in the first round. I

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Speaker 1: thought Justin answered the question very well, saying that sure

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Speaker 1: he'd be great, he'd welcome anyone with Ohio state ties.

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Speaker 1: But he's more happy that those players have put themselves

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Speaker 1: in position to hear their name called at the end

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Speaker 1: of April, whether that's day one, day two, or day three,

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Speaker 1: but to get that phone call that can change their

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Speaker 1: lives now all of a sudden, finding a job in

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Speaker 1: the NFL.

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Speaker 3: That's the dream. And Justin Fry just got that call.

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Speaker 3: It was just a little bit of a different call.

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Speaker 3: Parish Compston Junior just got that call, reasoning Marvin Harrison

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Speaker 3: Junior did. Look. Even guys like Jaden Davis is Avier

792
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Speaker 3: Weaver who was undrafted, they still get a call saying

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Speaker 3: that you're getting an opportunity to make the most of

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Speaker 3: your moment. That's something that's been Monteas and forts mL

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Speaker 3: is getting the guys and developing them through the draft.

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Speaker 3: Free agency is gonna come beforehand, and I'm gonna be

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Speaker 3: very interested to see what ends up happening along the

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Speaker 3: trenches because that could shift the focus when it comes

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Speaker 3: to what the Cardinals end up doing in the draft.

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Speaker 1: And again, if you need refreshers on free age and

801
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Speaker 1: see don't forget the free agent primers on Easycardinals dot Com.

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Speaker 1: That's why Zach still has some work to do on

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Speaker 1: running backs, inside linebackers, wide receivers, offensive lineman, defensive lineman.

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Speaker 1: That's that's a that's a lot.

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Speaker 3: We got a long list, but it leads us right

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Speaker 3: up into free agency. We'll have a lot of great

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Speaker 3: coverage coming from the combine. You will be hands on

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Speaker 3: and providing that which I'm very excited to see what

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Speaker 3: is going to be end up being pushed out there,

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Speaker 3: and then we're gonna have a few more primers and

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Speaker 3: before you know it, the the contacting period between teams

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Speaker 3: and agents is gonna begin.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the off season in the national football leagues are

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Speaker 1: some down moments, but for the most part, once you

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Speaker 1: get to the scouting combine, things really pick up. Scouting Combine,

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Speaker 1: free agency, Draft, and then at some point the schedule

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Speaker 1: gets released and before you know what, players are back

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Speaker 1: in the building. Ohta's mini camp, training camp, regular season.

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Speaker 3: They're down weeks. There's not really a down time. And

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Speaker 3: I think that something that you think about the offseason.

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Speaker 3: I'm sure you've been asked a question where the season ends.

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Speaker 3: Today goes so what are you gonna do for the

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Speaker 3: next five to six months?

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Speaker 1: Something to do?

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Speaker 3: Let me tell you. Go go to Easycardinals dot com

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Speaker 3: and read about the primers to learn what I'm doing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's why we gotta let Zach go because

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Speaker 1: he's got work to do, finish up for not only

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Speaker 1: on this Wednesday, but the rest of the week.

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Speaker 3: And we got to prepare because Coach Winston's gonna be

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Speaker 3: speaking on Thursday. So excited to hear from the Cardinals

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Speaker 3: new defensive line.

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Speaker 1: You you want to give a shout out or a

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Speaker 1: try at the last name.

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Speaker 3: I'm still gonna go with how I felt like it

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Speaker 3: was pronounced the last Badair the third, That's what I'm

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Speaker 3: gonna go with.

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Speaker 1: I think the first question to Winston de Ladie Boudeir

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Speaker 1: has to be, how do you pronounce the last name?

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Speaker 1: Or at this point do we just call you Debo.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to coach ask him, Coach w Coach Dubb.

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Speaker 1: As long as the Cardinals get dubs, that's all that matters, Okay,

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Speaker 1: not to wait and see. So that's your assignment for

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Speaker 1: this week, as Delad the third. There you go, Winston,

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Speaker 1: I hear that I do see I do wins in

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Speaker 1: the Lats the third, Winston the third. Yeah, our executive

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Speaker 1: producer Jim on Mahundro. Again, if that's what, if that's

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Speaker 1: how Winston pronounces it, then shouldn't we go by what

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Speaker 1: he says versus what the press release had the pronunciation.

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Speaker 3: Which isn't it isn't. Aren't eye closer pronouncing it to

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Speaker 3: that than the eee that's spelled out Winston the Lats

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Speaker 3: Bader the third.

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Speaker 1: I hear an s We're going to ask him tomorrow,

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Speaker 1: all right, and we will report back on Cardinals cover two.

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Speaker 1: That's the assignment that we have given young Zach over.

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Speaker 3: Put on hold. We are getting down to the bottom.

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Speaker 1: Only the top news makes it here on Cardinals cover two.

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Speaker 3: That there's a reason why I have a little bit

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Speaker 3: of investigative journalism in my background, all of one class,

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Speaker 3: and you.

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Speaker 1: Can put that to good work this week.

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Speaker 3: That's what I'm here for.

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Speaker 1: On that note, we'll put a lit on this edition

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Speaker 1: of Cardinals cover two, presented by Hundai, probably partner of

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Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals. As always, special thanks our executive producer

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Speaker 1: Jim Momandre, our associate producer Coddy Fincher for Zach Kershman,

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Speaker 1: I'm Craig Real Lou. We'll talk to you next time

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Speaker 1: here On Cardinals Cover two, Winston Delatzeb the Third