WEBVTT - Organizing Playbook Pt. 4: Is Rest Resistance? 

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<v Speaker 1>Native Land Pod is a production of iHeartRadio in partnership

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome, Welcome, Welcome.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome, welcome.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, So set, what's up everybody. This is Andrew Gillham

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<v Speaker 3>coming to you from a little bit of a change

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<v Speaker 3>of scenery. I'm so tired of my office and doing

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<v Speaker 3>these episodes out of the other like going to the

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<v Speaker 3>living room today. But most importantly, we're continuing our conversation

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<v Speaker 3>on this series of you know, organizing in the aftermath

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<v Speaker 3>of Trump two point zero, and I was a little

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<v Speaker 3>bit concerned about some of the recent writing I've seen

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<v Speaker 3>on the black community sort of taking arrest break and

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<v Speaker 3>not yet being willing to be on the front lines

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<v Speaker 3>of organizing a movement. I reject that outright. I know

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<v Speaker 3>that not to be true as a as a matter

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<v Speaker 3>of fact, but we do see a lot of conversation

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<v Speaker 3>and social media and elsewhere about basically, you know, for

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<v Speaker 3>black women, Look, we're the ninety eight percent, we're the

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<v Speaker 3>one ninety percent. We're there, We're tried and true. Now

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<v Speaker 3>it's something for you all to do, so we know

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<v Speaker 3>that it exists, it's not coming out of thin air.

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<v Speaker 3>And today to help me sort of diagnose this to

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<v Speaker 3>drill a little bit deeper for just a few minutes

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<v Speaker 3>of our day, because I'm sure you all out there

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<v Speaker 3>are engaging in this conversation as well. Is a fellow Floridian?

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<v Speaker 2>Is that right?

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<v Speaker 3>You're Jacksonville right.

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<v Speaker 2>Raise in Jacksonville, Florida.

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<v Speaker 3>Jacksonville native who happens to be striking it hot in Washington,

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<v Speaker 3>d C. Even and gystopian Washington, d C. Under the

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<v Speaker 3>Trump administration, you're finding a way to have impact and

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<v Speaker 3>make change. I would love for you to just give

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<v Speaker 3>your vita, but do it in a way that I

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<v Speaker 3>know you know how to, which is by of just

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<v Speaker 3>conversation introducing what your experiences have been that have led

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<v Speaker 3>you to this particular political moment and how we're navigating it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So, hey, y'all, my name is Dianna Burton, as

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<v Speaker 2>mister Gilliman.

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<v Speaker 3>And I Andrew Andrew, Oh gosh.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm from the South. You know it's coming. But as

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<v Speaker 2>he mentioned, I'm from Jacksonville, Florida. I now reside in DC.

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<v Speaker 2>And prior to me getting in a little bit about myself,

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<v Speaker 2>I do want to preface I do not have all

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<v Speaker 2>the answers. I will try my best to engage in

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<v Speaker 2>this conversation. I worked on a multitude of campaigns and

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<v Speaker 2>multitude of offices, from the local state to the federal level,

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<v Speaker 2>and now I'm here in BC where everything's happening, so

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<v Speaker 2>happy to answer anything.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I'll tell you your involvement in Florida prior to

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<v Speaker 3>going off to Washington, prior to becoming what we might

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<v Speaker 3>describe as sort of professional staff on political campaigns, and

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<v Speaker 3>so on and so forth. Many of our listeners are

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<v Speaker 3>agitated and frustrated and want to know what they could

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<v Speaker 3>do right where they are to disrupt what they see

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<v Speaker 3>happening in the country. And I would argue probably not

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<v Speaker 3>just at the federal level, but it's trickling down as

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<v Speaker 3>Trump naseum continues into our local levels, our school boards,

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<v Speaker 3>our city council meetings, the kind of divides that local

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<v Speaker 3>government never had to experience. They're now coming fast and furious,

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<v Speaker 3>and our heads are on a swivel, just trying to

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<v Speaker 3>protect the little turf that we do have. What advice

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<v Speaker 3>would you give to folks who are just starting out.

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<v Speaker 3>They want to make an impact, they just don't know

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<v Speaker 3>what to do.

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<v Speaker 2>So to answer that question, I'm actually going to tell

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<v Speaker 2>a story in reference to Michelle Obama famously saying do

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<v Speaker 2>something back in twenty nineteen, twenty twenty, my apologies. I

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<v Speaker 2>was elected senior class president of my high school, what

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<v Speaker 2>was then Robert E. Lee High School. I'm seventeen. It

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<v Speaker 2>was following the summer of twenty twenty, and we all

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<v Speaker 2>know the activism and the activation that was happening there.

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<v Speaker 2>Our school board introduced a docket to remove all Confederate

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<v Speaker 2>tied names from public institutions. My school being named after

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<v Speaker 2>Robert E. Lee, it was one of the most profound

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<v Speaker 2>names and there I was also part of the student

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<v Speaker 2>advisory council, So I attended a couple of meetings as

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<v Speaker 2>part of the student Advisory Council member and this year

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<v Speaker 2>class president. But one of the public hearings, I noticed

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<v Speaker 2>that there were I was the only student there other

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<v Speaker 2>than teachers and the principal. The auditorium was filled with alumni.

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<v Speaker 2>My school was desegregated and I want to say the seventies,

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<v Speaker 2>so we had a lot of angry alumni that stated

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<v Speaker 2>that there was nothing wrong with the name Robert E.

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<v Speaker 2>Lee and if there was something wrong or if somebody

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<v Speaker 2>had a problem with the name. It's probably because it's

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<v Speaker 2>a predominantly black school now, and maybe we should go

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<v Speaker 2>back to segregation. Following that, right following that public hearing,

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<v Speaker 2>we started getting more alumni with Confederate flags, with newses,

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<v Speaker 2>screaming more and more racial slurs. And I was seventeen.

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<v Speaker 2>I couldn't vote, couldn't sign my own name on certain documents.

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<v Speaker 2>I still had to ask for my mom's permission. I

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<v Speaker 2>was going through my own financial and personal issues. I

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<v Speaker 2>was homeless at the time. It felt like I could

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<v Speaker 2>do nothing until I could. We organized a protest in

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<v Speaker 2>front of the school board building, and we had a

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<v Speaker 2>couple of news outlets there and they wanted to hear more.

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<v Speaker 2>So we started getting more students. We brought them to

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<v Speaker 2>the public hearings. We made sure that they could be

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<v Speaker 2>at the school board meetings. We had the superintendent, we

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<v Speaker 2>had the principal, We had school board members be there

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<v Speaker 2>and listen to the students. To the point where the

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<v Speaker 2>school board could do nothing but host a vote vote,

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<v Speaker 2>a vote in which students could participate in. We got

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<v Speaker 2>community leaders, we got students, and on the day of

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<v Speaker 2>my graduation, the superintendent made a recommendation to change the

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<v Speaker 2>name of Robert E. Lee High School to Riverside High

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<v Speaker 2>which it is now named. It has been named Riverside

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<v Speaker 2>High School since twenty twenty one. I am the last

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<v Speaker 2>senior class president of Robert E. Lee High School. All

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<v Speaker 2>of that change happened within a few short months, within

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<v Speaker 2>my graduation before I went to Florida State and I

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<v Speaker 2>was a care student. So I went off to Florida

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<v Speaker 2>State in the summer. That's an example of doing something.

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<v Speaker 2>That's an example of speaking out. I had no money,

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<v Speaker 2>no home, no notoriety, no nothing other than a voice

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<v Speaker 2>and a will. If you care about something, it doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>matter how niche it is, it doesn't matter how small

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<v Speaker 2>it is. Sure post it, but also talk about it.

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<v Speaker 2>Go to those meetings, go to your library, research it,

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<v Speaker 2>Go to your city council meetings and stay. Sometimes they're

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<v Speaker 2>long and we don't always know what they're talking about,

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<v Speaker 2>but stay to the end. Speak to the members after,

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<v Speaker 2>give them your number, give them your email. Be willing

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<v Speaker 2>to have a conversation, because ultimately, action doesn't happen without conversation.

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<v Speaker 2>I think we like to skip to the action part,

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<v Speaker 2>but talking about it and making sure that it's pressing

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<v Speaker 2>making sure that it is even if it's not hot news,

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<v Speaker 2>making sure that it is still being talked about, still

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<v Speaker 2>being known. That's half the battle, right there.

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<v Speaker 3>I love that and I appreciate you sharing that story

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<v Speaker 3>with us. It's amazing. When white Americans are asked the

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<v Speaker 3>question whether or not this country is racist or rooted

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<v Speaker 3>in a racist past, the immediate answer, no, of course

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<v Speaker 3>not da. But you challenge the systems and the structures

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<v Speaker 3>in the institutions that have given them great cover and

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<v Speaker 3>comfort for as long a time as they've ever known,

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<v Speaker 3>back to their ancestors. When you disrupt that, then it's

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<v Speaker 3>all you know, the mass comes off. You start dealing

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<v Speaker 3>with them in real fashion, and now you can go

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<v Speaker 3>back to your country. Right after you've built this one

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<v Speaker 3>and perfected it over time, you can go back. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>curious to know. In the in the in the aftermath

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<v Speaker 3>of the election, obviously the man I don't. I don't

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<v Speaker 3>even know ground shaking, earth shaking moves. By the early

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<v Speaker 3>months of the Trump administration, a lot of folks are

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<v Speaker 3>feeling great despair. A lot of folks do want to

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<v Speaker 3>check out, or they have checked out since the election,

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<v Speaker 3>and frankly hadn't found a reason yet to check back in,

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<v Speaker 3>choosing instead to be not as aware and not as

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<v Speaker 3>informed of the day to day to protect their peace

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<v Speaker 3>of mind and also to keep them focused on what's

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<v Speaker 3>most important, which is probably the safety, security and support

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<v Speaker 3>for their family. Right, How do we shake folks out

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<v Speaker 3>of that or do we need to if we're about

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<v Speaker 3>to fight this marathon of a fight over the next

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<v Speaker 3>four years to keep what little we already have.

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<v Speaker 2>Before hopping on here, you referenced something you said, two truths,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think that's the perfect way to go about

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<v Speaker 2>answering this. You know, running a marathon, you gotta pace

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<v Speaker 2>yourself doing any endeavor. We have to plate pace ourselves

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<v Speaker 2>because the seeds that we're selling now, we're often not

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<v Speaker 2>gonna be able to see the fruits of our labor.

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<v Speaker 2>And this isn't necessarily me doing the work for me

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<v Speaker 2>or even for my kids. It might be for my kids'

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<v Speaker 2>kids or their grandkids and so on. So I think

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<v Speaker 2>the first part of that is acknowledging that the people

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<v Speaker 2>on one side of a conversation, regardless of which side

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<v Speaker 2>it is, they have a right to feel that way.

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<v Speaker 2>You're right, a lot of people were in despair. A

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<v Speaker 2>lot of people were tired. I was one of those people.

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<v Speaker 2>I gave my all to that campaign, this Kamala Harris

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<v Speaker 2>run for office. It was historic, of course, but that

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<v Speaker 2>was the first presidential election I could vote in. As

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<v Speaker 2>I mentioned a lot of the activism, especially for young people,

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<v Speaker 2>especially for my peers, we were starting it without being

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<v Speaker 2>able to be fully represented where you know, whether it

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<v Speaker 2>was March for Our Lives and us just asking to

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<v Speaker 2>not get gunned down in schools, or asking for school supplies,

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<v Speaker 2>or asking for our schools to not be named after

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<v Speaker 2>a racist Confederate. We are advocating, we are chanting, we

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<v Speaker 2>are yelling, we're giving our all, but we can only

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<v Speaker 2>do so much because we're not of age, because we

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<v Speaker 2>don't have the status. Then then we finally can vote,

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<v Speaker 2>We finally can be in college. Make some noise in SGN.

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<v Speaker 2>I know, you know how that goes, make some noise

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<v Speaker 2>in our community, and we're we're seeing this movement on TikTok,

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<v Speaker 2>We're seeing this movement online where we're thinking that everybody

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<v Speaker 2>you know knows the right answer to this very simple question,

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<v Speaker 2>and it doesn't go that way. It's almost like it's

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<v Speaker 2>almost like While it's not our fault that the election

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<v Speaker 2>turned out the way it is, we owe it to

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<v Speaker 2>ourselves to allow ourselves to feel all the emotions, to

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<v Speaker 2>allow ourselves to go through the stages of grief, to

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<v Speaker 2>come to terms with what that means. And it's not

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<v Speaker 2>just it didn't just end in November, you know what

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, because then we had the inauguration followed by

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<v Speaker 2>several mandate, several executive orders. I have friends, I have

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<v Speaker 2>family members that either don't know what their educational status

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<v Speaker 2>is going to be, don't know what their citizen ship

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<v Speaker 2>status is going to be. We have people getting their

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<v Speaker 2>resources stripped away from them. We have people who don't

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<v Speaker 2>know if they could continue going to school. I want

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<v Speaker 2>to go to law school. I don't know if that's

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<v Speaker 2>financially feasible for me anymore. I don't know if that

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<v Speaker 2>matters anymore. I don't know if the rule of law

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<v Speaker 2>matters anymore. And as big or symbolic as that may sound,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, sometimes we just need to detach. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not a technician or anything, but if my if

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<v Speaker 2>you stop working, I'm gonna unplug it, give it a

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<v Speaker 2>little time, and plug it right back in same thing

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<v Speaker 2>with my computer. If it's not working, I'm gonna turn

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<v Speaker 2>it off. If my phone freezes up, I'm gonna turn

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<v Speaker 2>it off, give it a little second, and I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 2>turn it right back on. Just because people are taking

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<v Speaker 2>some time to enjoy homecoming, learn a few new trail

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<v Speaker 2>ride dances, to do a few new hairstyles, to learn

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<v Speaker 2>a new trend, to do whatever it may be. Just

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<v Speaker 2>because people are expressing joy doesn't mean that they're not

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<v Speaker 2>going to get back out there, because that's what our

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<v Speaker 2>people have always done. And I the one thing I

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<v Speaker 2>will say is that the idea that we just need

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<v Speaker 2>to jump right back into action, that's harmful. Not saying

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<v Speaker 2>stop it. I'm not saying stop caring, but take care

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<v Speaker 2>of yourself, because how could you possibly how could you

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<v Speaker 2>possibly complete the marathon if you're not, If you get

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<v Speaker 2>injured on mile three and you're not taking care of yourself,

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<v Speaker 2>we're we're I don't know how far we are in

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<v Speaker 2>the race. I our ancestors laid the foundation and we're

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<v Speaker 2>just gonna keep on pushing on. But part of that

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<v Speaker 2>is finding the joy within it. And we know that

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<v Speaker 2>some of us still seeing the slave hymns. You know

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<v Speaker 2>what I mean. Some of us still have those recipes

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<v Speaker 2>that were passed down from generations. We still have cookouts,

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<v Speaker 2>we still have family reunions, We still run apart from

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<v Speaker 2>each other when we laugh like it's embedded in us.

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<v Speaker 2>It's embedded in us. And part of the need to

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<v Speaker 2>keep on keeping on is taking rest, because rest isn't

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<v Speaker 2>just revolutionary, it's needed. And rest can look like a

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<v Speaker 2>multitude of things. But I don't believe that there's no

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<v Speaker 2>liberation without fun, because what are we fighting for If

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<v Speaker 2>I can't laugh? What are we fighting for if I

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<v Speaker 2>can't go out to the protest and then go to

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<v Speaker 2>my last appointment after, get my hair done after Because

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<v Speaker 2>I don't feel like my best self when I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>put together. And if I don't feel like my best self,

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<v Speaker 2>I can't show up for the people. And part of

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<v Speaker 2>showing up for the people is recognizing that as a person,

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<v Speaker 2>I am the people, so I also have to show

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<v Speaker 2>up for myself.

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<v Speaker 3>I love that. I love that. Well, we know where

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<v Speaker 3>you stand, and I hope nobody comes sideways toward you

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<v Speaker 3>or your friends on this conversation. Welcome, Well, well let's

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<v Speaker 3>do this. I want to invite in our mutual friend, Lolo.

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<v Speaker 3>And as we wind down our few minutes, it really

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<v Speaker 3>does go quickly. Deanna Butcher, you've inspired us with your

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<v Speaker 3>own jewels and wisdom. And I can tell you from

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<v Speaker 3>just personal experience, the idea, the fact that I so

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<v Speaker 3>forcefully threw myself into leadership and the government and to

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<v Speaker 3>change making, so much so that when it was gone,

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<v Speaker 3>I had no real appreciation for who I was, and

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<v Speaker 3>it was a spiral I would not wish on anyone.

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<v Speaker 3>And so the self care piece is important here. And

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<v Speaker 3>my only hope is that people aren't bandwagoning this thing,

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<v Speaker 3>but are truly deepening into what their need is, seeing

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<v Speaker 3>about their need and how it gets met, and then

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<v Speaker 3>getting themselves strapped right back in for the fight. We're

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<v Speaker 3>gonna have to sleep in shifts. We don't get the

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<v Speaker 3>luxury of of of checking all the way out because

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<v Speaker 3>we know that we sit in at the greatest epicenter

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<v Speaker 3>of impact. Lolo, where are you? I don't know if

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<v Speaker 3>you're here with us, all right? I think we're without

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<v Speaker 3>Lolo at the very moment. But Dianna, if you if

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<v Speaker 3>you had something, a note that you wanted to leave

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<v Speaker 3>with the folks who have joined us and those who

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<v Speaker 3>will listen when this is in a production post production form,

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<v Speaker 3>what would you say to those like you who are

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<v Speaker 3>disheartened to found you know it very difficult to sort

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<v Speaker 3>of check back in although you have, what would you

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<v Speaker 3>say as as the as the big push that made

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<v Speaker 3>sense for you and for the things that you care about,

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<v Speaker 3>and maybe others might take some wisdom from that as well.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a firm believer that to reach your target audience,

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<v Speaker 2>or to reach the community, you have to know the community.

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<v Speaker 2>And I want to correct you for just a brief moment,

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<v Speaker 2>because you said what got me back in? And honestly,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not all the way in my candor my piece

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<v Speaker 2>about taking care of yourself wasn't I read it in

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<v Speaker 2>a book and all that just makes so much sense,

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<v Speaker 2>or I heard it in passing, or I saw it

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<v Speaker 2>on a billboard. It was because I had to stop,

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<v Speaker 2>because I gave my all. So I come to this

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<v Speaker 2>conversation as someone who wasn't sleeping, as someone who was

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<v Speaker 2>always protesting, always activating on several zoom calls, sometimes on

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<v Speaker 2>a multitude of calls. You can tell Nick, that's I

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<v Speaker 2>learned my suitcase trick. But the multitude of calls, trying

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<v Speaker 2>to get the resources to the people, whether that be food,

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<v Speaker 2>whether that be knowledge, whether that be funding. I gave

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<v Speaker 2>my absolute all at at the expense of myself. We're

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<v Speaker 2>not talking about just losing our way. I was a

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<v Speaker 2>machine for a candidate, multitude of candidates for a cause,

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<v Speaker 2>and think these are all things that should be common sense.

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<v Speaker 2>I was fighting for my livelihood, fighting to be represented,

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<v Speaker 2>fighting to be seen as a person, and in turn,

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<v Speaker 2>I wasn't treating myself like a person. I am not

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<v Speaker 2>a therapist. I don't do yoga. I probably should, but

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<v Speaker 2>I don't have all the answers in regards to self care.

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<v Speaker 2>And when I hear people say that, I'm happy that

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<v Speaker 2>it's a part of the conversation because it's also attached

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<v Speaker 2>to mental health. Your mental health will take a toll

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<v Speaker 2>if you don't do something for the outside and for

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<v Speaker 2>the community and for the environment. But if you don't

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<v Speaker 2>do something for yourself, I don't care. If showing up

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<v Speaker 2>for yourself is deciding to take the day off if

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<v Speaker 2>you can, I don't care. Doing something for yourself is

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<v Speaker 2>doing your hair, is taking some rest, is going out

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<v Speaker 2>and going to a crap well, I don't know what

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<v Speaker 2>it is. I don't know what it is, but whatever

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<v Speaker 2>it is, for you, every time you do something for

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<v Speaker 2>the community, give it back to yourself. You have to. No,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not worth there's no fight worth it without you.

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<v Speaker 2>You can't fight without you. You can't abandon yourself. And

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's and hopefully this is another topic for later,

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<v Speaker 2>but I really want people to show up for themselves

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<v Speaker 2>because I'm speaking from experience. We have a lot of people,

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<v Speaker 2>we have a lot of organizers and leaders who have

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<v Speaker 2>abandoned themselves and what you see is a vessel for

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<v Speaker 2>the people, and they've forgotten that they are the people.

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<v Speaker 2>So not to tune out of elections, not to tune

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<v Speaker 2>out of activism, but it's it's a hard balance when

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<v Speaker 2>you when people when every time you open your phone

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<v Speaker 2>it's something that this administration is doing, and you can't

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<v Speaker 2>even draft up a graphic quick enough, get out the

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<v Speaker 2>word quick enough, because by the time time is posted,

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<v Speaker 2>there's something else. If you look on any of my

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<v Speaker 2>activism pages, there's there's time gaps in between it because

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<v Speaker 2>I have to take time for me because sometimes news

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<v Speaker 2>isn't the most helpful thing, but it's being ready for

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<v Speaker 2>the fight. And I can't be ready without having myself

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<v Speaker 2>to get there. So I just love that that'll preach No,

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<v Speaker 2>I've seriously just hoped that people know I'm not just

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<v Speaker 2>talking to them. I've been through it. And if they're

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<v Speaker 2>not there right now, that's fine. Your body will let

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<v Speaker 2>you know when you're ready. Your body will also let

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<v Speaker 2>you know when you need to stop, and if you

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<v Speaker 2>have to stop, stop, But just remember unplugging that TV.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm plugging that core doesn't mean you're never gonna watch

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<v Speaker 2>TV again. Just plug it right back in when you're ready.

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<v Speaker 3>And activist leader, advocate, social justice warrior uh Deanna Burton,

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<v Speaker 3>Florida native, homegrown Duval County, Jacksonville, Florida. Very successful. We're

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<v Speaker 3>incredibly proud of you and for you, and thanks to

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<v Speaker 3>just a few moments, especially at last minute notice, to

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<v Speaker 3>share some pearls of wisdom with us and for the

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<v Speaker 3>old heads, y'all, I think we heard pretty clear from

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<v Speaker 3>Dianna that we should just take a beat before we batter.

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<v Speaker 3>The next generation come in after us on what they

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<v Speaker 3>are and aren't doing. Let's take a beat, let them

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<v Speaker 3>rest into themselves and very quickly renew the fight and

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<v Speaker 3>get back on the field. Y'all. It's been real and

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<v Speaker 3>guess what. I'll be right back next week Monday. We'll

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<v Speaker 3>have a consecutive back to back and we'll get back

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<v Speaker 3>to our training curriculum on organizing. We'll catch up with

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<v Speaker 3>you later, Deanna, thanks again for your time.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you.

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