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Speaker 1: four hundred and sixty three. Jack is with me. I

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Speaker 1: am Dennis. Uh, your daughter is with us. She doesn't

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Speaker 1: You remember that, little girl. Yeah, you knocked over the lights.

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Speaker 1: And if you go back and listen to that podcast

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Speaker 1: the seventy five anniversary of D Day. Is today, Um,

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Speaker 1: a Fox News article. It's like, wow, that's and there's

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Speaker 1: like pictures of her obviously scantly clad, you know, in

427
00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:21,920
Speaker 1: the bikini or in the thong and everything, and it's like,

428
00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:24,240
Speaker 1: I mean, when I think of women in the desert

429
00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:29,520
Speaker 1: in the military with a pistol and the pistol belt,

430
00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:34,080
Speaker 1: I mean, I appreciate beautiful women as much as anyone,

431
00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:36,760
Speaker 1: but I mean I never really understood what the point

432
00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:38,720
Speaker 1: was that those like photo shoots where they like hand

433
00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:40,920
Speaker 1: to model a gun and they're like, like what if

434
00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:44,840
Speaker 1: be it far from me. Maybe men love men love weapons,

435
00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:46,840
Speaker 1: and we love hot women. I feel like that's one

436
00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:48,560
Speaker 1: of those things like if you're like a you have

437
00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:50,800
Speaker 1: to be like a sixty year old overweight guy in

438
00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:53,640
Speaker 1: the gun industry to like really like, oh yeah, look

439
00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:56,840
Speaker 1: at her this girl. Yeah, like what's the Democrat? Yeah exactly.

440
00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:58,960
Speaker 1: It's like the booth babes at the shot show. Oh

441
00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:05,240
Speaker 1: my god, those are eric. It's like, uh no, noo babes,

442
00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:07,480
Speaker 1: and you feel bad for them because they're just trying.

443
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:09,159
Speaker 1: You know, they're in a dollar. But it's like the

444
00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:12,679
Speaker 1: clientele that they attract is it's it's not for me

445
00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:17,000
Speaker 1: to belittle working women, No, not in the least, but yeah,

446
00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:18,760
Speaker 1: the type of guys who go in for that kind

447
00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:22,480
Speaker 1: of thing, it's like, dude, you like need to scala

448
00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:31,800
Speaker 1: self self reflection. Self reflection. Self reflection is a good thing, guys. Absolutely. Um.

449
00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:33,560
Speaker 1: I don't even know where to go from there. That

450
00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:37,680
Speaker 1: would you know? We went from D Day to babes

451
00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:44,160
Speaker 1: in bikinis, bikini babes. Um, so what else is going on? Uh,

452
00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:48,320
Speaker 1: there's a stuff going on with you here we go. Um. Melgarer,

453
00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:51,440
Speaker 1: green Beret who was killed by the two dev group

454
00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:55,359
Speaker 1: and Molly and there's some new information coming. I'm not

455
00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:57,399
Speaker 1: even gonna get into it with with my daughter here

456
00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:00,760
Speaker 1: right now, but you guys can go and use your

457
00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:04,040
Speaker 1: your search engine skills and read the latest on what's

458
00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:05,880
Speaker 1: happening with that case. It gets kind of it gets

459
00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:09,200
Speaker 1: worse and worse. Um, well we'll we'll discuss that another time,

460
00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:12,880
Speaker 1: but you can go and read the news on your own. Um.

461
00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:16,600
Speaker 1: What else was there going on a little bit a

462
00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:22,000
Speaker 1: little bit lighter news? Um? I saw that one of

463
00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:26,199
Speaker 1: my favorite sci fi shows is being um after like

464
00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:30,600
Speaker 1: a hiatus of like ten years, fifteen years. That's not

465
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Speaker 1: a hiatus, that's they're they're bringing it back for a

466
00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:37,280
Speaker 1: third season. So um, the mid two thousands were a

467
00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:39,200
Speaker 1: really good time to be a Ghost in the Shell

468
00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:44,280
Speaker 1: fan because they did to UM two television series too too,

469
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Speaker 1: as Seasons of Ghost in the Shell standalone Complex, and

470
00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:51,320
Speaker 1: then they did like a movie after that called Solid

471
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Speaker 1: State Society, and they were terrific. UM It's ah it's

472
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Speaker 1: based on a Japanese comic book which was also made

473
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Speaker 1: into a movie nine five or so, which is one

474
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:04,879
Speaker 1: of my favorite films actually. But then they made the

475
00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:07,639
Speaker 1: television series which is also really good, and it's a

476
00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:12,600
Speaker 1: blending of you know, UM, near future politics, espionage, and

477
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:15,520
Speaker 1: covert operations. And it was a really cool, really well

478
00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:19,720
Speaker 1: done show. And um they are bringing it back. Netflix

479
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:21,680
Speaker 1: picked it up to do a third season and they're

480
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:24,640
Speaker 1: bringing back like the the original director and thing. So

481
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Speaker 1: I'm really looking forward to it. And I've been actually

482
00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:30,480
Speaker 1: going back and I rewatched um the first season of

483
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:32,520
Speaker 1: the show, and I started the second season that I

484
00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:35,200
Speaker 1: haven't watched myself in like ten years. Just really cool

485
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Speaker 1: to For the most part, there's some c g I

486
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Speaker 1: stuff in it that is clearly like mid two thousands,

487
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Speaker 1: but the sci fi aspects of it, I mean, I

488
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Speaker 1: think it was ahead of its time. With all the

489
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Speaker 1: stuff we've seen happen over recently with memes and disinformation

490
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:59,399
Speaker 1: and UM influence campaigns and things like that, surveillance, I

491
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Speaker 1: think the show, oh is well ahead of its time,

492
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:03,959
Speaker 1: and it still stands up pretty well as far as

493
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:07,960
Speaker 1: the themes and and the dynamics of what's happening in

494
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Speaker 1: the plots of the show. Well, congratulations the Ghost in

495
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Speaker 1: the Shelf for coming off hiatus after all these years. Yeah, yeah, so,

496
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:18,680
Speaker 1: And good on Netflix for for making that possible. I'm

497
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:20,840
Speaker 1: excited to see that when it happens. I know not

498
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:24,680
Speaker 1: everyone's probably like huge sci fi cyberpunk fan that I am,

499
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:28,200
Speaker 1: but well, it is happening there. They have to listen

500
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:29,719
Speaker 1: to it. If you're listening to the podcast you had,

501
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:32,640
Speaker 1: you had to hear that. So if you tuned out,

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Speaker 1: don't before we have Jeff Kirkman, who I'm looking forward

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Speaker 1: to hearing. I would like to tell you guys a

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Speaker 1: that we're gonna bring on Jeff Kirkham, So enjoy. Hey, Jeff,

520
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:31,399
Speaker 1: how's it going, man? Good? Jeff? Are you? I'm good?

521
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 1: I just finished your book is a matter of fact,

522
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:38,640
Speaker 1: How do you like it? It's good? Man. You know,

523
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:42,480
Speaker 1: you're great at telling the good, the bad, and ugly,

524
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:46,440
Speaker 1: and it's like, hey, being the commando is in all

525
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:50,120
Speaker 1: Hollywood and rambos and you know, by the way, there's

526
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:55,719
Speaker 1: sections of the military that are completely fucked up. Give yourself. Yeah,

527
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 1: for sure, man, I think that's like, at least I

528
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:00,280
Speaker 1: felt that's kind of the part of the responsive relity

529
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 1: you have when you write a book like that, because

530
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:04,920
Speaker 1: you know, when I was thinking about joining the military,

531
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:07,320
Speaker 1: I went and read all those Vietnam memoirs from guys

532
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:10,440
Speaker 1: who are like leerps and stuff like that. So I figure,

533
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 1: you know, the kind of people are probably gonna read

534
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:14,400
Speaker 1: my book are a lot of like eighteen year olds

535
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:16,240
Speaker 1: who are trying to learn more about the military and

536
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:19,960
Speaker 1: more about special operations. So I'd be kind of remiss

537
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:22,800
Speaker 1: if I just kind of you know, pumped myself up

538
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:24,520
Speaker 1: and made it seem like it was all great. You know,

539
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 1: it's interesting. It's like you try. I resounded a lot

540
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:30,760
Speaker 1: with what you said in your book list, Like if

541
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:35,760
Speaker 1: you're going to try and tell the truth your friends,

542
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:37,960
Speaker 1: some of your friends are gonna blink. You're going to

543
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 1: be like, oh yeah, I don't know that guy. Yeah, man,

544
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:44,400
Speaker 1: I mean that's part of the quote unquote the community

545
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 1: um is that you know what I think every soft

546
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:52,640
Speaker 1: guy fears the most, even more than than mission failure,

547
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 1: is being ostracized by their peer group. So the lengths

548
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 1: people will go to, I mean, and unfortunately it turns

549
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 1: into group think at a certain point, and you know,

550
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 1: guys just one't thing for themselves. Yeah. Absolutely, when you start,

551
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:09,160
Speaker 1: when you start calling a spade a spade, people don't

552
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 1: dig that. I mean, it's it's very strange. So I'm

553
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:15,440
Speaker 1: sure that you know, like reading the stuff in your

554
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:17,480
Speaker 1: book and stuff. I was at the end when you

555
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 1: were talking about how you got you were getting beat

556
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 1: up by some folks. I was like, well, I can,

557
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 1: I can I can identify with that because I'm sure

558
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:29,880
Speaker 1: he did. It was like, yeah, this program was cool,

559
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:32,080
Speaker 1: but there's a lot of ways it was fucked up too,

560
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 1: and it's like, well yeah, yeah, it was yeah, like

561
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:39,960
Speaker 1: false reports going up. Yeah, isn't an amazing Like everybody's

562
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:42,280
Speaker 1: like yet seeing in my tour we did great. These

563
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:45,360
Speaker 1: guys are doing awesome. And then the next crew rotates

564
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:47,240
Speaker 1: in and they're like, man, these guys are hogans, go

565
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:51,720
Speaker 1: shi go over and over and over. That's uh, you

566
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 1: know why I was. I was surprised that people were

567
00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:58,800
Speaker 1: surprised when all that stuff about Niger came out and

568
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 1: they're like, oh, well the um the conop had false

569
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 1: information on it, they were saying, And it's like, buddy,

570
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:09,200
Speaker 1: every conop has false information on it, Like, who are

571
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 1: you kidding here? Yeah, every tonop has false inpo because

572
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 1: guys want to get out and do stuff. But if

573
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:19,880
Speaker 1: they you know, but it's but you know, you've got

574
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:23,000
Speaker 1: the you've got the risk averse. I mean, you nailed it.

575
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 1: You know. It's zero zero defect risk averse entity that's

576
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 1: scared shitless of getting in trouble or losing their job,

577
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 1: and so you have and then that way that gives

578
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:38,320
Speaker 1: them the out that they Needer was like, well, these

579
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:40,920
Speaker 1: guys didn't these guys didn't tell me they were doing that,

580
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 1: because if they did, then I wouldn't have let them

581
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 1: do it. Yeah, well that's yeah, lit that happened with

582
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 1: a lot of the Bow Bird golf stuff that they

583
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:52,480
Speaker 1: were putting in conops saying they were going after bow

584
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 1: and really had nothing to do with that. That saw

585
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 1: in your books that you know, Dale comp stuck. Yeah,

586
00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:00,720
Speaker 1: I know Dale. Yeah, so Dale and I worked together

587
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 1: for a few years, and he's one of the guys.

588
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:06,200
Speaker 1: You know, Dale's a little bit bigger than life, and

589
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 1: he's definitely one of the guys that would get beat

590
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:14,479
Speaker 1: up from the community. And I was and I was like,

591
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 1: why do you care what Dale was doing? Well, blah blah,

592
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:20,040
Speaker 1: And it's like, who cares? He's trying to feed his family.

593
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:27,600
Speaker 1: Is he doing anything in moral and ethical even alone? Yeah,

594
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 1: well he should be better. And it's like, okay, but

595
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:35,280
Speaker 1: who are you to judge? There are sometimes I just

596
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 1: speaking candidly, I I wish Dale would do things a

597
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 1: little differently for his own sake, just to help himself out.

598
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:45,040
Speaker 1: But yeah, if a guy's making like a tactical DVD

599
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 1: set or something, I mean, who am I to judge?

600
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 1: I don't care? You know, have fun with it. Yeah,

601
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 1: and you know, and everybody does so like Joe ted I.

602
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 1: I mean, we're running down rabble like go ted I is,

603
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:02,560
Speaker 1: do you know Joe? I don't know Joe now, so

604
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 1: he he Um. That's an interesting story we should talk

605
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 1: about sometime because Joe is a character and I've known

606
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 1: Joe for a long time and the community came out

607
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 1: whole hog after him, and it was all based off

608
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 1: of lies. It was all it was all lies based

609
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 1: off this guy Mike Cox. He does a bunch of

610
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 1: survival stuff, like rapidly went after him and and it

611
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 1: was like and people asked me, They're like, do you

612
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 1: know Joe? And I'm like, yeah, I know Joe. And

613
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 1: they're like he lied about you know, being Halo and

614
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 1: school and all that stuff. And I was like, look,

615
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 1: I never saw the dude certificate, but I've stepped off

616
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:39,560
Speaker 1: the ramp between nine thousand feet in the middle of

617
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 1: the night. I never saw a school certificate, but you know,

618
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:48,080
Speaker 1: And I was like and and I never saw a

619
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 1: certificate for diving, but I've been on divycalls with that guy,

620
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:54,640
Speaker 1: and it's like and I and I saw him in

621
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 1: Afghanistan and I saw him in the rock. It was like, so,

622
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:02,600
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know what you guys are screaming about. Now.

623
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 1: Is Joel a character? Oh? Man, Yeah he is. He

624
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:08,799
Speaker 1: is a character. But I mean he did do the

625
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 1: things that you know that you know those things, but

626
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 1: the community just came after him. I mean, just for

627
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:18,399
Speaker 1: my part on it, I'll tell you that I had

628
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:20,440
Speaker 1: people coming to me wanting me to like weigh in

629
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 1: and um and that dude Michael Hawk came to me

630
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:24,759
Speaker 1: and wanted me to do want me to do like

631
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:27,040
Speaker 1: expose as on him. It's like, dude, I don't care

632
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:29,360
Speaker 1: about this, Like why are you wasting my time? And

633
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:31,759
Speaker 1: now Michael Hawk goes around posting stuff about how I'm

634
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:34,279
Speaker 1: an asshole and I'm a piece of ship, and I'm like,

635
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 1: are you like serious, man? Like I don't even know.

636
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Speaker 1: And just because I said this on this podcast, He's

637
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:42,359
Speaker 1: probably gonna like take out like build up a whole

638
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:44,879
Speaker 1: new website like Jack Murphy is a fraud dot com

639
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:47,879
Speaker 1: and you know, post up like my d D two

640
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:50,560
Speaker 1: fourteen when I go over it with a little magnifying

641
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 1: glass like oh, I'm not sure this date is right. Uh,

642
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:56,719
Speaker 1: It's like, dude, like you need to get a life man, like,

643
00:34:56,760 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 1: get a girlfriend, you know, settled down, have few beers,

644
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 1: find a hobby. You know. The thing is is it's

645
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:08,359
Speaker 1: not only worthless, it's detrimental. It doesn't do it's not

646
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 1: it's not just worthless time that's spent like you know,

647
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 1: watching soap opera. It's it's like it's detrimental to the

648
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 1: entire kid. It's not helping anybody out. Yeah, because if

649
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:22,360
Speaker 1: you're an employer, like do you want to employ guys

650
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:24,240
Speaker 1: like this that are like a bunch of like catty

651
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 1: little school girls exactly? And I'll tell you, like, you know,

652
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:31,759
Speaker 1: because like a ready man and rats and you know,

653
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:33,920
Speaker 1: and all these entities that I'm that I'm working with.

654
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:36,239
Speaker 1: We get people that come through and ask us for

655
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 1: helping stuff. And we help a ton of different folks.

656
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:41,759
Speaker 1: I mean, we've got a whole incubator here on the

657
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:44,440
Speaker 1: side of the building. It's all veteran known businesses that

658
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:47,160
Speaker 1: that's a ready man is set up here at the

659
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 1: Black Rifle Coffee building and and we've had people that

660
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:54,239
Speaker 1: have that have come in and as we check them out,

661
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 1: it's like, man, there's such drama queens on on social

662
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:01,319
Speaker 1: media it's like, you know what, man, I don't. I

663
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 1: don't think this is a good fit. We only want

664
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:07,759
Speaker 1: if you have time to be so negative, then then

665
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:10,319
Speaker 1: that tells me that you're not going to be successful

666
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:13,319
Speaker 1: in your business. And you and it's like and we

667
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:15,840
Speaker 1: don't have time for that. We're all about being positive

668
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:18,479
Speaker 1: and building each other up. That's cool, man, I didn't

669
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 1: know you did that. Yeah, we've got like savage gentleman

670
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 1: is over here, and we've got another coffee company, student

671
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 1: of the gun polemercal of former marine is here. We've

672
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 1: got a bike Loube company is a former infantry officer, um,

673
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 1: you know. And then I get I mean, jeez, I

674
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:41,560
Speaker 1: get a couple of that's come through the door. You know,

675
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:44,399
Speaker 1: probably want a week that come through and it's like, hey,

676
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:46,759
Speaker 1: you know advice or what do you think about this?

677
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:49,359
Speaker 1: Or can help or a way up amount And it's like, yeah,

678
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:51,880
Speaker 1: we'll do whatever, you know, We'll do whatever we can

679
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 1: as much as we can to help. I'm a firm

680
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 1: believer in like the tide races all ships, and so

681
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 1: it kind out on my definits times, but it's it's

682
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:05,440
Speaker 1: like my it's like I'm to the point of like,

683
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 1: I'm like, god, damn it, I'm gonna at track this

684
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:11,480
Speaker 1: community into a positive light, because man, we could be

685
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:14,719
Speaker 1: such an incredible force to be reckoned with if we

686
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:17,279
Speaker 1: if we just figured out a way to build each

687
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 1: other up instead of, you know, instead of doing the

688
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 1: troll fests. It's tough, man. I'll just tell you myself.

689
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:26,719
Speaker 1: I mean I've built up some scar tissue because it's

690
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 1: like you try to help help a guy out and

691
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 1: then they turn right around and stab you in the back.

692
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:35,920
Speaker 1: Like that hurts. That hurts, man, I'll be honest. Yeah, yeah,

693
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:39,960
Speaker 1: but yeah, but you just I don't know what it is.

694
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 1: And me like, you know, we're because that that that

695
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:45,680
Speaker 1: has happened to me. You know, like when the big

696
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:47,719
Speaker 1: bashing was going on against me, and it was just

697
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:50,440
Speaker 1: like geez, my whole community has turned against me just

698
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:54,320
Speaker 1: saying like file things about me which were completely untrue,

699
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:59,279
Speaker 1: completely completely untrue, and and you know, and it's like

700
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 1: all right, well, I'm I don't know what, you know,

701
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 1: maybe it's I don't know what it is there. It's

702
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:07,759
Speaker 1: like you know what, Okay, I'm going to double down

703
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 1: and see where I can't you make things better for folks,

704
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 1: because just just swimming in negativity are going to do

705
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:17,920
Speaker 1: me or anybody else any good. So yeah, you definitely.

706
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:21,279
Speaker 1: I mean, at least I find myself, like I very

707
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:25,480
Speaker 1: intentionally and deliberately remind myself of the fact that, like, yeah, okay,

708
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 1: I've come in contact with some of these bad guys,

709
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:30,360
Speaker 1: but at the same time, think about how many awesome

710
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:34,280
Speaker 1: military veterans I've met in the course of doing this job.

711
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 1: And you know, I think the positive outweighs the negative,

712
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 1: and it's just important to like keep all of that

713
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:41,440
Speaker 1: in mind, keep it in perspective, you know, rather than

714
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:45,239
Speaker 1: getting you know, like you said, dragged down into the negativity. Well,

715
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:46,960
Speaker 1: you know, it's funny. It's like a couple of the

716
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:49,280
Speaker 1: sites that were bashing me, a few of the sites,

717
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 1: like I reached out to the guys who were the

718
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:55,160
Speaker 1: admns and stuff and and just open up dialogue and

719
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:58,120
Speaker 1: conversation with him, And you know, when at first there's

720
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 1: that trepidation on their side, there's like, oh, is this

721
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:03,280
Speaker 1: guy going to come after me? And it's like, hey man,

722
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 1: I get it. It's like, please tell everybody, I forgive him.

723
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:10,319
Speaker 1: It's I get it. There's a dogpile, and you know,

724
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:12,279
Speaker 1: at the time, it seems like it's the fun thing

725
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 1: to do because the rest of the cool kids are

726
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 1: doing it, and it's like that's fine. It's but all

727
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 1: of those adments now, like we chat back and forth

728
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 1: and they're like, hey, man, I'm doing this. What do

729
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 1: you think about that? It's like, yeah, absolutely, this is

730
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:27,360
Speaker 1: what we've done in the past to help. So like, actually,

731
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 1: we're now conversing back and forth with with a bunch

732
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 1: of these guys. We are conversing back and forth with

733
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:36,359
Speaker 1: several of these guys saying, hey, what are you doing for? Oh,

734
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:38,239
Speaker 1: you've got you know, you're coming out with a soap

735
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 1: company or something. Well, let me know if we can help,

736
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 1: we'd be more than happy, you know. And these are

737
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 1: guys like four months ago, three months ago, we're like,

738
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 1: karkam is a horrible u thing. That's like now, man,

739
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:54,400
Speaker 1: now that's cool. Now that's cool. I've had that experience

740
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:58,720
Speaker 1: to reconciling with people, um, you know, down the line

741
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 1: after the fact, and I mean it's always again, you

742
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 1: gotta keep in mind the positive experiences. But before we

743
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:05,880
Speaker 1: get too far down in the weeds, I want to

744
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 1: kick off this is supposed to be the A K

745
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:13,399
Speaker 1: forty seven episode, and I, yeah, I know, we got

746
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:16,320
Speaker 1: we got off going down the rabbit holes with uh

747
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 1: with Joe ted I and Michael Hawk and all this

748
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 1: other stuff. But um I did. I went back and

749
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 1: I reread your article about the M six team and

750
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:29,480
Speaker 1: this is such a complicated or such an all consuming

751
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:33,880
Speaker 1: subject that Kalashnikov. Um do you want to start with

752
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:36,399
Speaker 1: your experiences with the A K or do you want

753
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:39,360
Speaker 1: to start with the history of the rifle itself and

754
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 1: how it came about? Well, yeah, it'll probably be a

755
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:51,200
Speaker 1: schizophrenic mix of both. But you know the main purpose

756
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:54,960
Speaker 1: of writing that article. And geez that the article exploded.

757
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:57,759
Speaker 1: You know, people are using that to dash me. It's like,

758
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:00,920
Speaker 1: not only the bad person, but he doesn't like the

759
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 1: sacred cow of the M sixteen and so he must

760
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:08,759
Speaker 1: be a really bad anti American communist. That person own

761
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 1: stock in uh in like read Night or something. I

762
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:18,000
Speaker 1: don't know, I know, I know, I know. And it's like, guys,

763
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:22,200
Speaker 1: I said, is the is the rifle good for preppers?

764
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:24,560
Speaker 1: And it was. It was actually like a lot of

765
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:27,760
Speaker 1: my articles that I write for my own pert art blog,

766
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 1: the ring that blog is just to get people to think.

767
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:34,839
Speaker 1: It's like, think, think critically about what you're doing, Open

768
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 1: up your eyes, open up your perspective, step outside your

769
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:41,360
Speaker 1: paradigm and think a little bit. Don't just take stuff

770
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:44,799
Speaker 1: at blind faith because social media said X, Y and Z,

771
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:48,359
Speaker 1: but but get in there and really think about it.

772
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 1: And and then and that's where it's like for me,

773
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 1: you know, is I would argue, I'm familiar with the

774
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 1: with the M sixteen platform, very familiar with it, and

775
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:01,920
Speaker 1: as I was a former eight team Bravo and stuff,

776
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:06,759
Speaker 1: and and it has shortcomings. And so my whole contention was,

777
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:09,840
Speaker 1: you know, and it's funny is in the eight in

778
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 1: the A R article, like, I didn't say anything really

779
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 1: about the clash crop, there's one line in there about

780
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:17,680
Speaker 1: the clash of cop and I intentionally left the A

781
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 1: K out of there because people know that I'm the

782
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:22,480
Speaker 1: A K guy, and so I didn't want it to

783
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:24,440
Speaker 1: be a pro a K article. I wanted it to

784
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 1: be a question that question what you've been told here

785
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 1: vertical so that it makes sense what was it? I mean,

786
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:35,279
Speaker 1: when when did you encounter the Colashna clov overseas and

787
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:39,480
Speaker 1: decide that this was the rifle you want to start carrying. Well,

788
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 1: you know, it's funny. In two thousand and two, so

789
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:44,400
Speaker 1: we were we were spinning up and it looked like

790
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 1: you know, you know, September leven, that just happened. This

791
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:50,719
Speaker 1: is early two thousand and two. Um I was in

792
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 1: nineteenth Group, and um I was actually I was a

793
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 1: special agent with d e A Open Seattle at the time.

794
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:59,680
Speaker 1: And then nineteenth Group we were getting mobilized because at

795
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:02,480
Speaker 1: that time it looks like we were going to go

796
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 1: into um look like we're going to go into the Philippines,

797
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 1: and we were starting to do the the PDSs that

798
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:13,880
Speaker 1: you know, the site surveys for the Philippines and whatnot.

799
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 1: And so with that, you know, because the rest of

800
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 1: nineteenth Group was going to Afghanistan and was already in Afghanistan,

801
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:24,279
Speaker 1: and because we were up we're a company up in

802
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:27,200
Speaker 1: Seattle and we're most of our guys were former First

803
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 1: Group guys. It was like, well, you guys will go

804
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 1: with first group, first groups, get Asia as the emphasis.

805
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:35,200
Speaker 1: You guys will go the first group an augment first group.

806
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:37,920
Speaker 1: So anyways, I went over to went over the Philippines

807
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:39,840
Speaker 1: for a little bit, then came back and while I

808
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:43,359
Speaker 1: was still I was still in those active orders, there

809
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:45,399
Speaker 1: was a hey you that went out and was like, hey,

810
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:48,400
Speaker 1: we need s F guys to come out and test

811
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:52,200
Speaker 1: to a laser system for the into A free that

812
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 1: Crane had developed or Crane was testing it. So we

813
00:43:55,280 --> 00:44:00,360
Speaker 1: flew out to Blackwater, UM their range and then also

814
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 1: UM one of the Marine Corps ranges anyways, full out there.

815
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:08,800
Speaker 1: And then when we got out there they said, well, okay,

816
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 1: you guys are testing the laser Jeff and Craig and

817
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:13,759
Speaker 1: this guy was an E seven out of range of

818
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:16,279
Speaker 1: the time. They're like, hey, there's a request that's come

819
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:21,040
Speaker 1: down to test the the a K as a system. Now,

820
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:25,560
Speaker 1: a backstory to that is nineteenth Group guys here in

821
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:29,000
Speaker 1: Utah that I know previously had been testing the SR

822
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:32,759
Speaker 1: forty seven, the Night's Armament SR forty seven, and they

823
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 1: had they had nothing good to say about it. It was,

824
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:38,560
Speaker 1: you know, first of all, in Night's defense, creating a

825
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:40,920
Speaker 1: new rifle, even if you're putting a new caliber in

826
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:45,400
Speaker 1: it is very difficult. And then the nine tends to

827
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:48,280
Speaker 1: burn really hot, and so they're running into heat issues.

828
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 1: The rifle was they also got and crashed it together

829
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:53,680
Speaker 1: in like two weeks or something like that. Then that

830
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:57,560
Speaker 1: then they're they're cramming this thing together. And actually the

831
00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:01,360
Speaker 1: Robinson was part of the testing two the Robinson armament,

832
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:04,279
Speaker 1: the XDR was put in that testing, and actually the

833
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:09,560
Speaker 1: XDR one, but because of political stuff and logistics and whatnot,

834
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:13,160
Speaker 1: then they pushed it over to nights. And so they

835
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:17,480
Speaker 1: were continuing the testing with the Knight's rifle. And at

836
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:19,239
Speaker 1: that time the guys came back and they're like, this

837
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:23,160
Speaker 1: rifle doesn't work. And so it's so calm. The guys

838
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:25,640
Speaker 1: that was their pet projects went to the colonel it

839
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 1: was signing the checks, and said, hey, we need more

840
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:32,680
Speaker 1: money to continue developing this project. And the kernel said,

841
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:35,720
Speaker 1: why are we spending you know, it's like five thousand

842
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:38,040
Speaker 1: dollars a rifle or something crazy, And he was like,

843
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:39,960
Speaker 1: why are we spending this money on rifles? Why don't

844
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:43,400
Speaker 1: we just use a case. And and then it was

845
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 1: the old you know, the the what we later found

846
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:49,920
Speaker 1: out with old lifestyles or urban this ak is the

847
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:53,719
Speaker 1: ergonomics sucks, and they get too hot, and the accuracy

848
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 1: is horrible, and the sites are difficult to use, you know,

849
00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:00,239
Speaker 1: and just all the litany of stuff that people will

850
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:03,800
Speaker 1: spout about that about the a K. Well, the colonel said, okay,

851
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:06,640
Speaker 1: show me the data, show me the studies that prove

852
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:10,400
Speaker 1: what you're saying. And so they were like, well, everybody

853
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:13,640
Speaker 1: knows this. And the colonel, to his credit, was he said,

854
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 1: I don't know this. Show me the empirical data that

855
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:20,560
Speaker 1: proves what you're telling me before I spend another dime

856
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:23,160
Speaker 1: on a new rifle when we have a rifle that

857
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:25,880
Speaker 1: will probably work just fine. Because they wanted the s

858
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:29,239
Speaker 1: R forty seven for battlefield recovery so they could put

859
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 1: in it would shoot. It was an a R platform

860
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:35,960
Speaker 1: essentially that would shoot seven sixty nine and accept b

861
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:40,799
Speaker 1: K magazines. And so they scoured so these these guys

862
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:43,040
Speaker 1: that were running the project, it's so common they stout.

863
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:48,000
Speaker 1: They could find no data, no studies of of the

864
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 1: a K where it had been like, no ship tested,

865
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:54,640
Speaker 1: and so they so there's colonel said, okay, well that's fine.

866
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:57,320
Speaker 1: You guys tested and then come back with the results

867
00:46:57,360 --> 00:47:00,640
Speaker 1: and we'll talk further. So fast forward, you know, several

868
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:05,160
Speaker 1: months and Fierce Jeff and Craig, you know, Craig the Ranger,

869
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:06,759
Speaker 1: Jeff the s F guy. I think I was in

870
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:11,319
Speaker 1: the eight at the time, and um um, they said, hey,

871
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:14,560
Speaker 1: we're testing the AK we need to we need to

872
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:16,759
Speaker 1: figure out if this is a viable rifle. So I

873
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:18,840
Speaker 1: was like, Okay, that's cool. Yeah, I know about a

874
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:22,920
Speaker 1: k IS. I'men. They came back and so we tested

875
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:26,000
Speaker 1: the a K as a fluke. We zeroed it at

876
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:29,360
Speaker 1: the correct range, and by the end of the second

877
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:33,840
Speaker 1: day we had we had essentially proven that the accuracy

878
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:37,080
Speaker 1: something was a complete myth, and we had we had

879
00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:40,160
Speaker 1: so done so well on the results. And mind you,

880
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:43,319
Speaker 1: the test was set up to fail. So and what

881
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:46,000
Speaker 1: I mean by that was the rifles that we had

882
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:49,080
Speaker 1: were chi comi is with folding stocks. They looked like

883
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:52,040
Speaker 1: they've been pulled out of a dumpster. M We were

884
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:55,880
Speaker 1: testing accuracy, they were filthy. We were testing accuracy and

885
00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:58,920
Speaker 1: reliability at the same time, which you would never do.

886
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:02,080
Speaker 1: They were no rail systems for a ks at that time,

887
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:05,440
Speaker 1: so Crane had kind of jerry rigged some stuff together

888
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:08,719
Speaker 1: and so we were like literally zip tieing like lasers

889
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:11,800
Speaker 1: and a cords and stuff onto the rifle. By the

890
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:15,920
Speaker 1: end of the second day, the c W five that

891
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:19,120
Speaker 1: was overseeing the study, Every single round was accounted for,

892
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:22,640
Speaker 1: where it went, what happened with these two different rifles

893
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:25,440
Speaker 1: that me and this ranger were shooting. By the end

894
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:27,520
Speaker 1: of the second day, the c W five called back

895
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:30,080
Speaker 1: the Soucommon with the results and they said, you guys

896
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 1: are fabricating years olds. There's no way those rifles are

897
00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:38,480
Speaker 1: performing at and and and as you know, Jack, I

898
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:41,440
Speaker 1: mean that you were talking two thousand and two was

899
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:44,120
Speaker 1: when this happened. Well, c W five, there were like

900
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:47,520
Speaker 1: five c W fives in the entire military in two

901
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:49,279
Speaker 1: thousand and two. So this guy, you know, it's like

902
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:52,480
Speaker 1: a general lofser So this guy had some very choice words.

903
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:55,239
Speaker 1: He was a he was a Vietnam vet. He ben

904
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:58,359
Speaker 1: s F and Vietnam and I you know, and he

905
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:00,839
Speaker 1: was on the phone yelling at these day saying, I've

906
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:02,799
Speaker 1: been telling you sons of bitches that this is a

907
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:05,960
Speaker 1: good rifle for years and now you and now you're

908
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:08,279
Speaker 1: calling me a liar. And then I was like, oh, sorry,

909
00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:12,040
Speaker 1: g from So the testing proceeded for three more days,

910
00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:15,120
Speaker 1: and by the end of it we had proven that

911
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:19,359
Speaker 1: the rifle was very accurate. Um, I mean, it's it's

912
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:21,600
Speaker 1: not match great or anything. But it was, but it

913
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:26,080
Speaker 1: was very accurate um that the ergonomics were actually quite good,

914
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:29,200
Speaker 1: um and they could be overcome. The sites were actually

915
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:31,840
Speaker 1: the limitations, and the sites were actually some of the

916
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:35,000
Speaker 1: things that were the strength of the sites. The reliability,

917
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:39,080
Speaker 1: you know, that was the one true thing that everybody believed.

918
00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:41,880
Speaker 1: You know, it's like the AK is like phenomenally reliable.

919
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:44,000
Speaker 1: And it was like, yeah, it was true. We had

920
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:47,160
Speaker 1: two out of the three thousand rounds that we shot,

921
00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:51,120
Speaker 1: we had two malfunctions, and both of them were failure defeats.

922
00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:54,480
Speaker 1: Mind you, we're changing different ammos they were shooting. It's like,

923
00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:57,760
Speaker 1: so everything bad that you could do for a test,

924
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:00,920
Speaker 1: the rifle performed well through of it. And so it

925
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:04,960
Speaker 1: was like round two thousand nine hundred ninety seven and

926
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:09,000
Speaker 1: round two thousand nine, both of them were failure to

927
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:11,840
Speaker 1: fully feet. So he just reached up and hit the

928
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:14,920
Speaker 1: charging handle ford and shot the round. But by the

929
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:18,880
Speaker 1: end of that test, both me and the ranger were like, well, damn,

930
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:21,600
Speaker 1: this is a dude rifle. Why aren't we using this thing?

931
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:26,080
Speaker 1: And so in the test results went in and that

932
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:29,839
Speaker 1: was what killed the SR forty seven program and ultimately

933
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:33,920
Speaker 1: the soapcom started buying a K S from I believe

934
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:35,840
Speaker 1: it was from Crane, so that they could you know,

935
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:38,279
Speaker 1: every what their goal was, I mean, I don't know

936
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:41,440
Speaker 1: if it ever happened, but their goal was, Hey, every

937
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:44,239
Speaker 1: every team guy, every od A guy would have his

938
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:46,719
Speaker 1: end for and he would have an A K And

939
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:49,839
Speaker 1: so that that's pretty much what started my you know,

940
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:53,280
Speaker 1: my infatuation with the rifle, and I would actually support

941
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:56,960
Speaker 1: something like that, especially for O. D A. S UM.

942
00:50:57,040 --> 00:51:00,160
Speaker 1: One of the problems, and this is Jack Murf. His

943
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:04,560
Speaker 1: opinion is, we have all this cool guy high tech equipment,

944
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:07,839
Speaker 1: which is amazing and awesome and has been a game

945
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:10,839
Speaker 1: changer for our troops on the battlefield. But the more

946
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:13,520
Speaker 1: of that stuff we integrate, particularly in the s F,

947
00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:18,120
Speaker 1: the further you're widening the gap between the American Green

948
00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:22,000
Speaker 1: Beret and the indigenous soldiers that they have to work with,

949
00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:24,839
Speaker 1: who have basically nothing and certainly none of those high

950
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:28,400
Speaker 1: tech you know, I R lasers and nods and cool

951
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:33,120
Speaker 1: guy optics and stuff like that. So it's not always

952
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:36,919
Speaker 1: a good thing, um that that you have young, young

953
00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:39,680
Speaker 1: SF guys who know how to use an a COG

954
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:42,520
Speaker 1: but don't necessarily know how to you know, site in

955
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:46,360
Speaker 1: an a K forty seven. Yeah, And that was and

956
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:49,879
Speaker 1: that was a major saying that I saw with with

957
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:53,239
Speaker 1: guys that were saying that a case were inaccurate, is

958
00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:58,920
Speaker 1: they were zerowing at the wrong distance, because it's like

959
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:07,759
Speaker 1: we zero the M sixteen at at what range? Right battleside? Zero? Yeah,

960
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:10,120
Speaker 1: and so and you know it's like we get it

961
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:12,440
Speaker 1: in our head. It's like wherever rifle was zero at

962
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:13,960
Speaker 1: that Well, it's like if I told you that you

963
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:16,240
Speaker 1: were going to zero your three hundred wind mag at twenty,

964
00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:19,440
Speaker 1: you'd go, you're crazy, or you're three oh eight, you know,

965
00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:23,799
Speaker 1: you're some sixty fifty, Like you're crazy. Well, the ballistics

966
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:26,279
Speaker 1: obviously you're different on its own sixty thirty nine than

967
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:29,279
Speaker 1: they are six. So if you zero the thing incorrectly,

968
00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:33,200
Speaker 1: boom right off the top, you're you're gonna have a

969
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:36,279
Speaker 1: hard time hitting anything. And that was something that I

970
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:40,160
Speaker 1: saw from a lot of Americans that we're trying to

971
00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:43,320
Speaker 1: do partnering forces, because they were like, man, these rifles

972
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:45,239
Speaker 1: can't hit you. And I was like, well, youse zero

973
00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:47,879
Speaker 1: them in correctly, and then once you zero them, then

974
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:51,560
Speaker 1: they were good to go. Yeah, I remember when we

975
00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:55,640
Speaker 1: first were field testing the M one ten, which was

976
00:52:56,160 --> 00:52:58,520
Speaker 1: kind of like, you know, the Army's answer to the

977
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:01,879
Speaker 1: s R. And a lot of guys coming back talking

978
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:04,759
Speaker 1: about like how great this M one ten was, And

979
00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:07,560
Speaker 1: I was like, have you ever shot another semi automatic

980
00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:10,440
Speaker 1: sniper rifle before? And they're like, no, have you ever

981
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:14,560
Speaker 1: shot any sniper rifle before? So, I mean they think

982
00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:19,360
Speaker 1: it's great because it's the only experience they have with it. Well,

983
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:22,200
Speaker 1: there you go, right, I mean, if your entire world

984
00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:24,560
Speaker 1: is wrapped up in one thing, then obviously it's the

985
00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:26,760
Speaker 1: best you've ever And that's why you had all these people,

986
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:29,839
Speaker 1: all these people shipping bricks because you were saying something

987
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:32,160
Speaker 1: bad about the M sixteen. It's like it's like in

988
00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:34,799
Speaker 1: the d n A of the American Soldier. You can't think,

989
00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:38,640
Speaker 1: I think outside the box. It is. And I think

990
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:41,759
Speaker 1: some of it too, you know, is I mean, admittedly

991
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:43,680
Speaker 1: it's some of it's propaganda. I mean, if you tell

992
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:46,840
Speaker 1: soldiers that it's like, hey, you've got the M sixteen,

993
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:48,719
Speaker 1: it's not as good as the A K or the

994
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:51,680
Speaker 1: G three or whatever the other guys are using, you're

995
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:54,200
Speaker 1: not I mean, you're not motivating your troops, right, and

996
00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:58,120
Speaker 1: so so what do we do. It's like, well, that rifle, Yeah,

997
00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:01,759
Speaker 1: it's reliable, but guess what, they can't hit anything and

998
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:04,280
Speaker 1: it gets really hot, so they can't be sustained fire.

999
00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:07,800
Speaker 1: And here and I must suck on it so that

1000
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:10,359
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And it's like a motivational

1001
00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:14,640
Speaker 1: propaganda thing that I think gets perpetrated that all of

1002
00:54:14,680 --> 00:54:19,680
Speaker 1: a sudden turns into fact which is not true. So

1003
00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:22,640
Speaker 1: here here would be My main counter argument to the

1004
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:29,640
Speaker 1: kalashnikov would be the ammunition issue. So the average American

1005
00:54:29,719 --> 00:54:34,439
Speaker 1: soldier is carrying, you know, six seven magazines thirty round

1006
00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:38,920
Speaker 1: six seven thirty round magazines. Uh, with a Kalashnov, you're

1007
00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:41,040
Speaker 1: probably carrying I mean, you can carry more, but the

1008
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:44,200
Speaker 1: ammunition ways more. Um. I think like the guys, like

1009
00:54:44,239 --> 00:54:46,680
Speaker 1: the Rhodesian guys who are carrying finn Fouls, they I

1010
00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:48,799
Speaker 1: think they had like four or five magazines of seven

1011
00:54:48,840 --> 00:54:51,680
Speaker 1: six two by fifty one. And one of the advantages

1012
00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:54,279
Speaker 1: of an M sixteen style weapon is the five five

1013
00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:57,160
Speaker 1: six ammunition is lighter, so you can carry more of it.

1014
00:54:57,760 --> 00:55:04,160
Speaker 1: What would you say to that argument, Well, I'd say yes,

1015
00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:08,160
Speaker 1: but let's look at the historical context of why we

1016
00:55:08,200 --> 00:55:10,640
Speaker 1: went to the five five six. So prior to the

1017
00:55:10,640 --> 00:55:12,960
Speaker 1: five five six and World War Two, we're shooting seven

1018
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:15,399
Speaker 1: six two by sixty three, which is a thirty yacht

1019
00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:18,080
Speaker 1: six obviously. And then we came out of that with

1020
00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:20,800
Speaker 1: the in one grand we adopted that move that over

1021
00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:23,719
Speaker 1: and it became the seven sixty fifty one, the three

1022
00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:25,880
Speaker 1: oh eight, you know, and and the purist up there

1023
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:29,520
Speaker 1: are going to scream because I'm in a mixing three eight,

1024
00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:32,880
Speaker 1: so bear with me, but um. But then we went

1025
00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:35,360
Speaker 1: to Vietnam, and what happened is we elected a president

1026
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:39,560
Speaker 1: Kennedy who brought in mortin Era and they simply went

1027
00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:43,200
Speaker 1: through and did a mathematical equation, and they said X

1028
00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:47,520
Speaker 1: number of bullets kill x number of enemy soldiers or

1029
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:50,319
Speaker 1: more than more to the point wound and removed from

1030
00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:54,120
Speaker 1: the battlefield x number of enemy soldiers. And so the

1031
00:55:54,120 --> 00:55:57,880
Speaker 1: whiz kids, who was the Kennedy administration at that time, said, well,

1032
00:55:57,880 --> 00:56:00,319
Speaker 1: that's easy. Let's go to the smaller bullets. We can

1033
00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:03,600
Speaker 1: carry more bullets so that that all of a sudden

1034
00:56:03,719 --> 00:56:06,560
Speaker 1: we'll be able to carry more bullets, which means we'll

1035
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:09,439
Speaker 1: hit this ratio that we need to hit because it's

1036
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:14,120
Speaker 1: a simple mathicqracition. Well, on paper, that makes sense, but

1037
00:56:14,560 --> 00:56:18,040
Speaker 1: if we look at bans Um Banzy and analysis that

1038
00:56:18,120 --> 00:56:21,279
Speaker 1: takes the totality of this, of everything that's going on,

1039
00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:24,880
Speaker 1: maybe it doesn't make as much sense. And I'm saying maybe.

1040
00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:28,239
Speaker 1: I'm not saying absolutely, I'm saying maybe. And so what

1041
00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:32,120
Speaker 1: happened was is the original the original platform that Stone

1042
00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:35,120
Speaker 1: was putting together was a seven six two by fifty one,

1043
00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:38,320
Speaker 1: and then it came down from on high change the caliber,

1044
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:40,799
Speaker 1: make it smaller, to make it make it lighter, so

1045
00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:43,520
Speaker 1: soldier steak carry more, and so that went down to

1046
00:56:43,560 --> 00:56:46,160
Speaker 1: the five six, which just looks like a miniature seven

1047
00:56:46,200 --> 00:56:50,160
Speaker 1: six thirty seven six two by fifty one. And so

1048
00:56:50,239 --> 00:56:53,480
Speaker 1: it was it was a mathematical equation that allowed that

1049
00:56:53,600 --> 00:56:55,920
Speaker 1: to do that. But what it didn't take into account

1050
00:56:56,120 --> 00:57:00,879
Speaker 1: was battle rifles. You know, if we're just shooting other

1051
00:57:01,040 --> 00:57:03,960
Speaker 1: human beings, that's one thing. But when we have to

1052
00:57:04,120 --> 00:57:08,280
Speaker 1: shoot through other things to get at the human beings,

1053
00:57:08,280 --> 00:57:13,480
Speaker 1: like bombs and trees and cars and metal and body

1054
00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:16,520
Speaker 1: armor and metal, then all of a sudden we start

1055
00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:19,320
Speaker 1: running into problems, which is why we started off with

1056
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:23,120
Speaker 1: the fifty five grain five six. Then we moved to

1057
00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:27,080
Speaker 1: the green tip because of the penetration problems because of

1058
00:57:27,160 --> 00:57:30,520
Speaker 1: five five six ain't get enough ass it's a it's

1059
00:57:30,320 --> 00:57:34,040
Speaker 1: a it's a physics problem. There's not enough mass to

1060
00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:38,640
Speaker 1: retain the energy to smash through cover that your enemy

1061
00:57:38,760 --> 00:57:42,800
Speaker 1: might be hiding behind. And so it was like, okay, well,

1062
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:46,439
Speaker 1: what's the solution. We'll put a tungsten penetrator in there. Well,

1063
00:57:46,520 --> 00:57:49,120
Speaker 1: then we ran into some of the other problems of well,

1064
00:57:49,160 --> 00:57:52,720
Speaker 1: now the little bullet that's moving really fast isn't cavitating

1065
00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:56,480
Speaker 1: or yawing when it hits bone and tissue that's causing

1066
00:57:56,480 --> 00:57:59,840
Speaker 1: the damage to put people down. It's just ripping right through.

1067
00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:03,920
Speaker 1: So you end up with this with this issue. So, yes,

1068
00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:08,520
Speaker 1: the smaller round allows you to carry more bullets, but

1069
00:58:08,600 --> 00:58:11,040
Speaker 1: the problem you run into is, you know, you've got

1070
00:58:11,120 --> 00:58:12,800
Speaker 1: some physics that are coming in there, and you've got

1071
00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:15,160
Speaker 1: to look at the history as to why we even

1072
00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:17,760
Speaker 1: went to the smaller bullets to begin with, which was

1073
00:58:18,520 --> 00:58:20,960
Speaker 1: some college guys, I mean, they weren't college days. They're

1074
00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:24,000
Speaker 1: very intelligent, but but it worked out great on paper,

1075
00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:27,280
Speaker 1: but in reality we have to start making adjustments for

1076
00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:30,440
Speaker 1: it if we went to seven six two by thirty

1077
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:32,720
Speaker 1: nine or seven six two by fifty one or now

1078
00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:35,840
Speaker 1: now there's all these other like uh you know s

1079
00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:38,800
Speaker 1: a terra calibers out there that they get floated around

1080
00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:41,920
Speaker 1: all the time, you would end up having to decrease

1081
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:44,960
Speaker 1: the basic load as far as the number of bullets

1082
00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:50,920
Speaker 1: that soldiers are able to carry. Potentially, yeah, I mean potentially.

1083
00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:54,080
Speaker 1: But remember, and I'm not saying the seven sixty thirty

1084
00:58:54,160 --> 00:58:55,760
Speaker 1: nine is all that and a bag of down. It's

1085
00:58:55,800 --> 00:58:58,520
Speaker 1: that's the whole point of this is. You know, I

1086
00:58:58,600 --> 00:59:00,760
Speaker 1: go back to what I know what had said about

1087
00:59:00,760 --> 00:59:03,880
Speaker 1: a miracle was we need to think about this stuff.

1088
00:59:03,960 --> 00:59:07,960
Speaker 1: Let's let's not just to accept a rifle that we've

1089
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:11,600
Speaker 1: been using for over fifty years. Now, let's not accept

1090
00:59:11,600 --> 00:59:13,680
Speaker 1: that we haven't come up with that we couldn't come

1091
00:59:13,720 --> 00:59:17,720
Speaker 1: up with something better. But the seven six thirty nine.

1092
00:59:18,080 --> 00:59:20,040
Speaker 1: You know, if you if you look at the seven

1093
00:59:20,120 --> 00:59:24,120
Speaker 1: six thirty nine that the main cartridges that the Soviets

1094
00:59:24,120 --> 00:59:26,160
Speaker 1: were using at the times, you had seven six by

1095
00:59:26,160 --> 00:59:29,280
Speaker 1: fifty four, which is the longest stand approaches on the battlefield.

1096
00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:31,560
Speaker 1: You had seven sixty thirty nine, and you had seven

1097
00:59:31,560 --> 00:59:36,240
Speaker 1: six so the seven shot out of the talk in

1098
00:59:36,280 --> 00:59:40,240
Speaker 1: the p PSH forty one and forty three, so it's

1099
00:59:40,240 --> 00:59:42,440
Speaker 1: a it's a crystol round, but it's very hot, and

1100
00:59:42,960 --> 00:59:46,760
Speaker 1: so consequently the Soviets have an additional armor level to

1101
00:59:47,200 --> 00:59:49,800
Speaker 1: stop the seven six by twenty five when it's shot

1102
00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:51,920
Speaker 1: out of the Carbean. But my whole point of that

1103
00:59:52,080 --> 00:59:56,000
Speaker 1: is the seven six by thirty nine. The whole night

1104
00:59:56,200 --> 00:59:59,480
Speaker 1: of the Soviet Union was behind two things in the

1105
00:59:59,560 --> 01:00:04,680
Speaker 1: late f at East. One was news and two was

1106
01:00:04,720 --> 01:00:08,040
Speaker 1: an assault rifle. And before they before they put together

1107
01:00:08,080 --> 01:00:11,160
Speaker 1: the assault rifle, they put together the round. And they

1108
01:00:11,200 --> 01:00:13,400
Speaker 1: did a ton of testing on that round and figured

1109
01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:16,720
Speaker 1: out this is the sweet spot for a lower powered

1110
01:00:16,760 --> 01:00:19,880
Speaker 1: cartridge because the majority of engagements were happening at three

1111
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:23,680
Speaker 1: hundreds and inn in the majority of those engagements were

1112
01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:27,439
Speaker 1: on and N and so the thirty cow. There's seven

1113
01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:31,120
Speaker 1: thirty nine, which is a thirty cow, and it's roughly

1114
01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:34,480
Speaker 1: the equivalent of a thirty thirty that was used all

1115
01:00:34,520 --> 01:00:38,200
Speaker 1: over the American West. It would seem to be the

1116
01:00:38,240 --> 01:00:40,920
Speaker 1: sweet spot after all of their testing, but the entire

1117
01:00:41,080 --> 01:00:45,800
Speaker 1: mt of the Soviet Empire was behind the development of

1118
01:00:45,880 --> 01:00:48,760
Speaker 1: that round. So it's not half stands and a lot

1119
01:00:48,800 --> 01:00:51,080
Speaker 1: of people would leave you to believe that, Well, they

1120
01:00:51,120 --> 01:00:53,240
Speaker 1: had a whole bunch of thirty caliber machines and so

1121
01:00:53,360 --> 01:00:56,480
Speaker 1: that's what they did because it was easy. Now now

1122
01:00:56,640 --> 01:01:00,800
Speaker 1: that's not true, and so you know, is that you know,

1123
01:01:00,920 --> 01:01:03,840
Speaker 1: you know, and obviously that's you know, sixty seventy year

1124
01:01:03,880 --> 01:01:06,520
Speaker 1: old around now. Could we do better, Yeah, certainly. But

1125
01:01:06,640 --> 01:01:09,280
Speaker 1: there's a lot of thought that was put into that bullet.

1126
01:01:10,160 --> 01:01:12,840
Speaker 1: The conical shape of the bullet or the casing. Really

1127
01:01:13,360 --> 01:01:16,560
Speaker 1: it's really important to the to the reliability of the

1128
01:01:16,600 --> 01:01:19,600
Speaker 1: overall platform. And so I'm sure we'll get into the

1129
01:01:19,600 --> 01:01:22,560
Speaker 1: reliability of the a K and being in a little bit,

1130
01:01:22,600 --> 01:01:25,920
Speaker 1: but but that's there's there's some there's some stuff about

1131
01:01:25,920 --> 01:01:29,600
Speaker 1: the bullet that makes it great. There's a combat rifle

1132
01:01:29,680 --> 01:01:32,040
Speaker 1: on a combat route. I was hoping to talk a

1133
01:01:32,040 --> 01:01:34,840
Speaker 1: little bit about the history that you touched on it

1134
01:01:34,880 --> 01:01:38,440
Speaker 1: a little bit there about Mikail Kalashnikov and why he

1135
01:01:38,600 --> 01:01:42,800
Speaker 1: invented and how he invented his rifle um which was

1136
01:01:42,920 --> 01:01:45,840
Speaker 1: largely born out of the trauma dot Russia and dured

1137
01:01:45,880 --> 01:01:50,480
Speaker 1: in World War Two. Yeah. Absolutely, So you figure in

1138
01:01:50,560 --> 01:01:52,880
Speaker 1: World War two, so put it in a perspective, right,

1139
01:01:53,360 --> 01:01:57,480
Speaker 1: World War two, the Soviets lost what million people? It

1140
01:01:57,560 --> 01:02:00,800
Speaker 1: was the equivalent of like sixty visions. I mean it

1141
01:02:00,880 --> 01:02:05,080
Speaker 1: was insane. Yeah, I mean it's it's numbers that I mean,

1142
01:02:05,200 --> 01:02:08,840
Speaker 1: like literally two and two and a half generations wiped

1143
01:02:08,880 --> 01:02:14,160
Speaker 1: off the map. Yeah and so and and think about

1144
01:02:14,320 --> 01:02:18,440
Speaker 1: and they were fighting the finest mechanized infantry the world

1145
01:02:18,440 --> 01:02:21,480
Speaker 1: that ever seen. They were fighting the boffin ss on

1146
01:02:21,600 --> 01:02:25,080
Speaker 1: the Eastern Front. They were unbelievably well trained, they were

1147
01:02:25,200 --> 01:02:30,120
Speaker 1: unbelievably well equipped, and they were motivated. You know, you've

1148
01:02:30,120 --> 01:02:32,160
Speaker 1: got you've got the three big ease that you need

1149
01:02:32,200 --> 01:02:35,720
Speaker 1: to have effective combat troops. And so the killer ratio

1150
01:02:35,760 --> 01:02:39,440
Speaker 1: between the Germans and the Russians was like one. So

1151
01:02:39,520 --> 01:02:42,040
Speaker 1: for every one German that was killed, you lost about

1152
01:02:42,120 --> 01:02:46,520
Speaker 1: sixty Russians and so and you figured when they were

1153
01:02:46,560 --> 01:02:50,240
Speaker 1: developing this rifle one they wanted to appease, you know,

1154
01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:54,040
Speaker 1: uncle Joe Stalin because he obviously didn't have much of

1155
01:02:54,040 --> 01:02:56,200
Speaker 1: a you know, you want to talk about zero defense.

1156
01:02:56,800 --> 01:03:02,920
Speaker 1: But then but then too, every single Russian was touched

1157
01:03:03,440 --> 01:03:07,120
Speaker 1: by World War two. Every single Russian either fought in

1158
01:03:07,440 --> 01:03:11,440
Speaker 1: or lost erect family members in World War Two. So

1159
01:03:11,680 --> 01:03:14,040
Speaker 1: you're talking a group of individuals and when the and

1160
01:03:14,040 --> 01:03:16,920
Speaker 1: when these guys were dying, they weren't just dying from

1161
01:03:16,960 --> 01:03:20,320
Speaker 1: bulletins and our tories. They were freezing to death or

1162
01:03:20,360 --> 01:03:23,360
Speaker 1: they were they were running out of logistics. So I

1163
01:03:23,440 --> 01:03:27,480
Speaker 1: put the starvation and so I looked at that and

1164
01:03:27,720 --> 01:03:29,560
Speaker 1: it's you know, and that's part of my class that

1165
01:03:29,640 --> 01:03:32,560
Speaker 1: I teach people about the A K is that's like, hey, look,

1166
01:03:33,000 --> 01:03:36,240
Speaker 1: this is the mindset of these men and women that

1167
01:03:36,400 --> 01:03:37,920
Speaker 1: came in here. So I don't think it was Collas

1168
01:03:38,040 --> 01:03:42,960
Speaker 1: Nacroft that necessarily um was the sole developer. I like

1169
01:03:43,040 --> 01:03:46,400
Speaker 1: to call it team Collashnacroft because you know, you have

1170
01:03:46,520 --> 01:03:51,040
Speaker 1: team success actually requires a diversity and balance of different

1171
01:03:51,080 --> 01:03:54,080
Speaker 1: talents and people and expertise in a group. But one

1172
01:03:54,160 --> 01:03:57,160
Speaker 1: person will typically get the credit. So that you know,

1173
01:03:57,200 --> 01:04:00,280
Speaker 1: the glaring example for Americans is, you know, did the

1174
01:04:00,360 --> 01:04:02,760
Speaker 1: quarterback really do all the work, but he certainly gets

1175
01:04:02,760 --> 01:04:05,439
Speaker 1: all the credit. Right The lead singer of the rock

1176
01:04:05,480 --> 01:04:09,040
Speaker 1: band is getting all the credit, but they're nothing without

1177
01:04:09,240 --> 01:04:11,560
Speaker 1: you know, the band that's playing behind him. But that's

1178
01:04:11,600 --> 01:04:14,600
Speaker 1: just you know, that's human psychology. So Klash Nacroft. You know,

1179
01:04:14,640 --> 01:04:18,960
Speaker 1: in the Soviets understood that for propaganda, and so Kalashnacroft,

1180
01:04:19,040 --> 01:04:21,760
Speaker 1: you know, he got the credit, but it was really

1181
01:04:21,840 --> 01:04:23,880
Speaker 1: it was a team that was behind him. But that

1182
01:04:23,960 --> 01:04:29,160
Speaker 1: team was highly motivated because they are all the Russians,

1183
01:04:29,640 --> 01:04:32,600
Speaker 1: true or not. All the Russians thought that there was

1184
01:04:32,640 --> 01:04:34,920
Speaker 1: a war coming with the Americans, and it was right

1185
01:04:34,920 --> 01:04:38,840
Speaker 1: around the corner, and so they were they're hyper fixated,

1186
01:04:38,840 --> 01:04:40,640
Speaker 1: and they're like, holy crap, we've got to develop a

1187
01:04:40,760 --> 01:04:43,040
Speaker 1: rifle that we can put into the hands of a

1188
01:04:43,080 --> 01:04:45,560
Speaker 1: peasant that they can keep up with an army like

1189
01:04:45,640 --> 01:04:49,000
Speaker 1: the Boffin ss for We've got to give them a

1190
01:04:49,200 --> 01:04:51,720
Speaker 1: higher rate of fire. It's got to be reliable. And

1191
01:04:51,760 --> 01:04:54,960
Speaker 1: if we don't have logistics for spare parts and for oil,

1192
01:04:55,560 --> 01:04:59,120
Speaker 1: this thing has got to keep working. There they did it.

1193
01:04:59,720 --> 01:05:03,960
Speaker 1: The mythology behind the Kalashnikov, of course, is that uh

1194
01:05:04,280 --> 01:05:07,160
Speaker 1: Mikhail Kalashnikov was n c O. I believe he was

1195
01:05:07,200 --> 01:05:10,600
Speaker 1: a tanker and he was injured in a military hospital

1196
01:05:10,720 --> 01:05:14,160
Speaker 1: and supposedly he went from soldier to soldier, laid up

1197
01:05:14,160 --> 01:05:16,680
Speaker 1: in the hospital beds and asked them what features would

1198
01:05:16,680 --> 01:05:20,040
Speaker 1: you like to see in our battle rifle, and he

1199
01:05:20,080 --> 01:05:24,440
Speaker 1: started incorporating that into his design um. And so that's

1200
01:05:24,480 --> 01:05:27,439
Speaker 1: supposedly where it came from. There's also been claims made

1201
01:05:27,480 --> 01:05:31,240
Speaker 1: over the years that Kalashnikov was influenced by the STG

1202
01:05:31,440 --> 01:05:35,280
Speaker 1: forty four um that the Nazis had built, which that's

1203
01:05:35,280 --> 01:05:38,000
Speaker 1: also been there's been doubtcast on that because it seems

1204
01:05:38,040 --> 01:05:40,960
Speaker 1: unlikely that Kalashnikov ever would have seen one of those

1205
01:05:41,120 --> 01:05:45,160
Speaker 1: rifles from from what I've read anyway, And and you know,

1206
01:05:45,280 --> 01:05:48,440
Speaker 1: you've got to the fact that the steam devera was

1207
01:05:48,480 --> 01:05:50,560
Speaker 1: out on the battlefield, and it was it was on

1208
01:05:50,600 --> 01:05:53,880
Speaker 1: the Eastern Front. Now that Kalashnikov ever run into it

1209
01:05:53,960 --> 01:05:56,760
Speaker 1: on the Eastern Front, who knows at this point, right,

1210
01:05:56,800 --> 01:05:59,360
Speaker 1: but it was undoubtedly there were steam givers that were

1211
01:05:59,800 --> 01:06:02,360
Speaker 1: uptured by the Soviets. But the thing that but the

1212
01:06:02,400 --> 01:06:05,000
Speaker 1: student here other than you know a lot of people go, well,

1213
01:06:05,000 --> 01:06:06,880
Speaker 1: the ak is just a version of the steam here,

1214
01:06:06,880 --> 01:06:10,280
Speaker 1: and it's like that. No, not because if you look

1215
01:06:10,320 --> 01:06:13,960
Speaker 1: at the aesthetics, yeah, okay, they kind of look similar.

1216
01:06:14,080 --> 01:06:16,120
Speaker 1: But if you look at the internal workings and you

1217
01:06:16,200 --> 01:06:19,360
Speaker 1: understand this jack the steam givier is a tilting bolt

1218
01:06:19,440 --> 01:06:23,200
Speaker 1: whereas the AK is a delayed rotating bolt. Yeah. And

1219
01:06:23,320 --> 01:06:26,080
Speaker 1: so I make an argument in one of my videos

1220
01:06:26,120 --> 01:06:28,840
Speaker 1: where I'm like, look, the M one grand is probably

1221
01:06:29,000 --> 01:06:33,560
Speaker 1: more the grandfather of the AK than the steam Givier.

1222
01:06:33,680 --> 01:06:37,280
Speaker 1: Because the bolt faces are almost identical. Then the systems

1223
01:06:37,280 --> 01:06:41,280
Speaker 1: are almost identical. I mean the STG if I recall correctly,

1224
01:06:41,320 --> 01:06:43,560
Speaker 1: I mean internally, it looks more like a G three

1225
01:06:43,720 --> 01:06:47,600
Speaker 1: or an MP five, doesn't it. But no, actually closer

1226
01:06:47,640 --> 01:06:52,080
Speaker 1: to the fb L because it's a tilting bolts the

1227
01:06:52,120 --> 01:06:56,360
Speaker 1: G You've got the rollers, yes, yeah, the rollers that

1228
01:06:56,400 --> 01:06:58,680
Speaker 1: are in the bolt, the bolt mechanism of of an

1229
01:06:58,760 --> 01:07:02,840
Speaker 1: MP five or G three yep, yep. Whereas you look

1230
01:07:02,880 --> 01:07:04,800
Speaker 1: at the you look at the tilting bolts of the

1231
01:07:05,040 --> 01:07:08,640
Speaker 1: f AL, which was a great rifle, um, but the

1232
01:07:08,680 --> 01:07:12,720
Speaker 1: studentiver was was much closer to that. Interesting. Do you

1233
01:07:12,920 --> 01:07:17,240
Speaker 1: recall any of the history after that how the Kalashnikov

1234
01:07:17,400 --> 01:07:20,840
Speaker 1: was adopted by the Soviet Union, Because one of the

1235
01:07:20,880 --> 01:07:23,600
Speaker 1: things that maybe worth pointing out to people who don't

1236
01:07:23,600 --> 01:07:26,120
Speaker 1: know is that the name of the rifle, a K

1237
01:07:26,320 --> 01:07:29,800
Speaker 1: forty seven is the it stands for automatic Kalashnikov, and

1238
01:07:29,840 --> 01:07:34,840
Speaker 1: then seven is the year it went into production, yeah,

1239
01:07:34,960 --> 01:07:37,840
Speaker 1: soft production, and then it went into full production in

1240
01:07:37,880 --> 01:07:41,800
Speaker 1: the early fifties. Interestingly enough, we found a case in

1241
01:07:41,920 --> 01:07:44,960
Speaker 1: Afghanistan that were stamped in nineteen fifty three and they

1242
01:07:44,960 --> 01:07:48,680
Speaker 1: still worked those badass ones that are made out of

1243
01:07:48,720 --> 01:07:52,800
Speaker 1: like a solid metal billet that was drilled into Yeah, yeah,

1244
01:07:52,920 --> 01:07:56,400
Speaker 1: the full the float billet. The mill receivers, you know,

1245
01:07:56,440 --> 01:07:58,240
Speaker 1: and there's two different as you know, there's the mill

1246
01:07:58,360 --> 01:08:03,000
Speaker 1: receiver than the stampers were and inside the ap world,

1247
01:08:03,080 --> 01:08:05,840
Speaker 1: you know, it's always like continuing, you know, which one

1248
01:08:05,920 --> 01:08:08,320
Speaker 1: is better, the stamp or the you know where the

1249
01:08:08,360 --> 01:08:10,840
Speaker 1: where the mills and so the mill is a little

1250
01:08:10,840 --> 01:08:13,800
Speaker 1: bit and I always carried a stamp when I was overseas,

1251
01:08:13,880 --> 01:08:16,679
Speaker 1: but because it was a little bit lighter. And actually

1252
01:08:16,720 --> 01:08:20,200
Speaker 1: the Stuviets had come out and said, um, there were

1253
01:08:20,240 --> 01:08:23,160
Speaker 1: better harmonics and the stamp receivers than in the mild receivers,

1254
01:08:23,240 --> 01:08:25,879
Speaker 1: and so that's why they had one of the reasons

1255
01:08:25,880 --> 01:08:27,439
Speaker 1: they had pushed the stamp, and it was the ease

1256
01:08:27,520 --> 01:08:31,720
Speaker 1: of production as well. It's super interesting. The other thing

1257
01:08:31,920 --> 01:08:35,840
Speaker 1: I've noted in doing some research on the Kalashnikov was

1258
01:08:36,040 --> 01:08:38,920
Speaker 1: how it spread all across the world and this is

1259
01:08:38,960 --> 01:08:42,400
Speaker 1: another little interesting snapple fact that people might not think

1260
01:08:42,439 --> 01:08:47,400
Speaker 1: of off hand. But the uss are obviously communist country.

1261
01:08:47,439 --> 01:08:50,400
Speaker 1: They don't believe in patents or copyrights or anything like that,

1262
01:08:50,880 --> 01:08:54,800
Speaker 1: so the design was just freely spread anywhere they could

1263
01:08:54,840 --> 01:08:58,040
Speaker 1: get their tentacles in. And also, of course, just as

1264
01:08:58,080 --> 01:09:01,280
Speaker 1: the United States did and does today, we like to

1265
01:09:01,800 --> 01:09:05,839
Speaker 1: um get other countries reliant reliant on our military material,

1266
01:09:06,000 --> 01:09:07,800
Speaker 1: on our war material, so that they have to come

1267
01:09:07,840 --> 01:09:11,400
Speaker 1: back to US for ammunition and such. And the USSR

1268
01:09:11,479 --> 01:09:13,840
Speaker 1: did the same thing, but without any kind of copyright

1269
01:09:13,920 --> 01:09:18,320
Speaker 1: or patent restrictions, So they just spread that gun all

1270
01:09:18,400 --> 01:09:22,519
Speaker 1: over the world. Yeah, I mean eight, I mean it's

1271
01:09:23,160 --> 01:09:26,720
Speaker 1: I don't think it's every country is manufactured the thing,

1272
01:09:26,800 --> 01:09:30,120
Speaker 1: but damn near every country is is manufactured. And then

1273
01:09:30,160 --> 01:09:33,799
Speaker 1: of course, um, I could get your opinion on this, Jeff.

1274
01:09:35,080 --> 01:09:39,280
Speaker 1: The a K seventy four was this that the downfall

1275
01:09:39,600 --> 01:09:43,280
Speaker 1: of the Kalashnikov chambered in what is it seven or

1276
01:09:43,640 --> 01:09:47,200
Speaker 1: five point four five? I believe, yeah, five four five

1277
01:09:47,240 --> 01:09:51,040
Speaker 1: by thirty nine in in actually the five four five

1278
01:09:51,439 --> 01:09:55,320
Speaker 1: it's a great round. I mean it's a great round. So, um,

1279
01:09:55,439 --> 01:09:57,280
Speaker 1: you know, the urban myth goes out that says that

1280
01:09:57,360 --> 01:10:02,640
Speaker 1: the Soviets once the hit, um, they saw that this

1281
01:10:02,720 --> 01:10:04,640
Speaker 1: is a this is a good round, we can use this,

1282
01:10:04,720 --> 01:10:07,919
Speaker 1: and that they copied us. Actually in the original testing,

1283
01:10:08,640 --> 01:10:11,559
Speaker 1: based off of my research, the the Soviets had played

1284
01:10:11,600 --> 01:10:16,519
Speaker 1: with a smaller grand round, a smaller round, but it

1285
01:10:16,600 --> 01:10:18,840
Speaker 1: discounted it because they wanted a thirty count because they

1286
01:10:18,840 --> 01:10:21,519
Speaker 1: need to smash through, you know, cover like that we

1287
01:10:21,520 --> 01:10:25,400
Speaker 1: had discussed before. And then and then Vietnam kind of

1288
01:10:25,520 --> 01:10:30,000
Speaker 1: proved that, um, hey, this this is actually could be

1289
01:10:30,040 --> 01:10:33,920
Speaker 1: a viable round. So the five five like shooting that thing.

1290
01:10:34,479 --> 01:10:37,720
Speaker 1: It's actually it's a great round. I mean, those Atkins

1291
01:10:37,800 --> 01:10:40,960
Speaker 1: called it the poison round because you know, a jail

1292
01:10:41,000 --> 01:10:45,160
Speaker 1: block test. They round will do a double yaw when

1293
01:10:45,200 --> 01:10:47,840
Speaker 1: it goes through, and it's not really known a lot

1294
01:10:47,880 --> 01:10:51,519
Speaker 1: of folks the first three millimeters of the nose of

1295
01:10:51,600 --> 01:10:54,120
Speaker 1: the five ft five. So first of all, you've got

1296
01:10:54,120 --> 01:10:56,120
Speaker 1: a round. It's a hot round. It's moving about three

1297
01:10:56,120 --> 01:10:58,880
Speaker 1: thousand feet per second, and it's a little bit longer,

1298
01:10:58,960 --> 01:11:02,840
Speaker 1: so it's right being that ragged edge of stability when

1299
01:11:02,880 --> 01:11:06,360
Speaker 1: it hits, so it's designed to yaw. And then then

1300
01:11:06,360 --> 01:11:09,200
Speaker 1: what the Soviets did and based off of what I

1301
01:11:09,320 --> 01:11:12,280
Speaker 1: was able to, you know, figure out, or what I

1302
01:11:12,320 --> 01:11:16,880
Speaker 1: was able to basically conclude was because their manufacturing processes

1303
01:11:16,920 --> 01:11:21,519
Speaker 1: really were not as good the first three millimeters of

1304
01:11:21,560 --> 01:11:24,200
Speaker 1: the nose cone, because it was a full metal jacket round,

1305
01:11:24,479 --> 01:11:27,680
Speaker 1: the first three millimeters was left hollow, and that that

1306
01:11:27,800 --> 01:11:30,320
Speaker 1: was accidental. But then they figured out that it actually

1307
01:11:30,400 --> 01:11:33,400
Speaker 1: improved the ballistic performance of the of the rifle when

1308
01:11:33,400 --> 01:11:36,240
Speaker 1: it was hitting stuff, because what would happen is that

1309
01:11:36,360 --> 01:11:39,760
Speaker 1: nose would hit even tissue and it would crumple, which

1310
01:11:39,800 --> 01:11:42,960
Speaker 1: caused the yaw for this round. So you get that

1311
01:11:43,040 --> 01:11:45,400
Speaker 1: double yaw which made it you know, it was a

1312
01:11:46,240 --> 01:11:50,000
Speaker 1: it was causing the horrific damage in folks. And so

1313
01:11:50,760 --> 01:11:52,920
Speaker 1: that's when the Soviets launce. Had naturally a lot of

1314
01:11:52,960 --> 01:11:56,360
Speaker 1: the close end CT units in the Soviet Union still

1315
01:11:56,479 --> 01:11:59,639
Speaker 1: or that Russia now creson epos Civic Union but sorry

1316
01:11:59,800 --> 01:12:03,800
Speaker 1: now teen eighties army gay but um, but you know

1317
01:12:03,960 --> 01:12:06,759
Speaker 1: they're close end guys like their CP units and stuff.

1318
01:12:06,880 --> 01:12:09,880
Speaker 1: They still carry the five four five, but it's it's

1319
01:12:09,880 --> 01:12:12,000
Speaker 1: a it's a great round. It kicks about as much

1320
01:12:12,040 --> 01:12:15,519
Speaker 1: as a twenty two long rifle, but it's but it's

1321
01:12:15,560 --> 01:12:18,720
Speaker 1: really hot. Well, what was the motivation for them to

1322
01:12:18,960 --> 01:12:23,080
Speaker 1: deviate from the glorious, the glory of the Soviet Union

1323
01:12:23,120 --> 01:12:27,240
Speaker 1: the seven six, two thirty nine. Well, you know, you

1324
01:12:27,280 --> 01:12:30,599
Speaker 1: can probably figure that one of the main motivators was

1325
01:12:30,720 --> 01:12:35,679
Speaker 1: is warfare was getting more urban in um in in

1326
01:12:35,680 --> 01:12:38,680
Speaker 1: in its context. So you know, one, when it's a

1327
01:12:38,680 --> 01:12:40,880
Speaker 1: little bit more urban, it's a little bit harder to supply,

1328
01:12:41,040 --> 01:12:44,479
Speaker 1: could be. But then also because it's more close and fighting,

1329
01:12:44,520 --> 01:12:48,120
Speaker 1: because remember the Soviets at that point in the fifties,

1330
01:12:48,640 --> 01:12:52,120
Speaker 1: they were basically crushing everybody that was around them. You know,

1331
01:12:52,320 --> 01:12:55,240
Speaker 1: Hungary was the first one that they went into and

1332
01:12:55,280 --> 01:12:57,320
Speaker 1: that's where that that was the first picture of a

1333
01:12:57,479 --> 01:13:01,920
Speaker 1: case out on the battlefield was Hungarian guy standing there

1334
01:13:01,960 --> 01:13:04,800
Speaker 1: with a captured one. So I think they realized that

1335
01:13:04,840 --> 01:13:06,880
Speaker 1: a lot more of their fighting was taking place on

1336
01:13:06,960 --> 01:13:11,320
Speaker 1: the urban environment where the bigger, heavier round wasn't as

1337
01:13:11,400 --> 01:13:14,800
Speaker 1: necessary as it is in the rural environment where you

1338
01:13:14,840 --> 01:13:18,360
Speaker 1: start trying to go through trees and and stuff like that.

1339
01:13:19,160 --> 01:13:23,680
Speaker 1: I'm speculating on that, but I think that's where they

1340
01:13:23,680 --> 01:13:25,360
Speaker 1: saw it. And I think also there was a push

1341
01:13:25,439 --> 01:13:30,560
Speaker 1: too because they were looking for more commando sque type units,

1342
01:13:30,600 --> 01:13:33,040
Speaker 1: so that these guys, you know, when they're jumping in,

1343
01:13:33,400 --> 01:13:36,200
Speaker 1: you know they're para trooping into an area. Then you

1344
01:13:36,280 --> 01:13:38,799
Speaker 1: go back to well they can carry more ammo as well,

1345
01:13:39,160 --> 01:13:41,400
Speaker 1: and then not only ka moammo, but the flights can

1346
01:13:41,439 --> 01:13:45,200
Speaker 1: carry more lammo in all of that. I have a

1347
01:13:45,240 --> 01:13:48,280
Speaker 1: picture here actually in C. J. Chiver's book about the

1348
01:13:48,360 --> 01:13:52,760
Speaker 1: Kalashnikov Um showing a picture of this dude. Just read

1349
01:13:52,800 --> 01:13:57,080
Speaker 1: the caption, real correct, real quick. Joseph T. Bar Feggies

1350
01:13:57,200 --> 01:14:00,519
Speaker 1: or feis the first known in surge It to carry

1351
01:14:00,520 --> 01:14:03,920
Speaker 1: an a K forty seven. Fahy's obtained his prize after

1352
01:14:03,920 --> 01:14:07,200
Speaker 1: Soviet soldiers dropped their rifles during their attack on revolutionaries

1353
01:14:07,200 --> 01:14:10,920
Speaker 1: in Budapest in ninetifty six. This photograph, taken after a

1354
01:14:10,920 --> 01:14:14,360
Speaker 1: ceasefire agreement, appeared in Life magazine and drew the attention

1355
01:14:14,760 --> 01:14:18,200
Speaker 1: of the A v H. The secret police who tracked

1356
01:14:18,240 --> 01:14:21,519
Speaker 1: phase down the Hungarian Revolution Mark the a K forty

1357
01:14:21,560 --> 01:14:25,320
Speaker 1: seven's True Battlefield debut. Interesting stuff. Yeah, that's a great

1358
01:14:25,320 --> 01:14:28,040
Speaker 1: book to anybody that's listening, if you want a great

1359
01:14:28,560 --> 01:14:32,240
Speaker 1: overview about the a K. That it's it's it's a

1360
01:14:32,280 --> 01:14:36,000
Speaker 1: great book. It's called The Gun by C. J. Chivers

1361
01:14:36,040 --> 01:14:38,280
Speaker 1: I and I admit I have had this on my

1362
01:14:38,360 --> 01:14:40,479
Speaker 1: shelf for a while, but I have not read this book.

1363
01:14:40,960 --> 01:14:44,479
Speaker 1: There are two other histories of the Kalashnikov that I read,

1364
01:14:44,520 --> 01:14:46,360
Speaker 1: and I went looking on my bookshelf to try to

1365
01:14:46,400 --> 01:14:48,559
Speaker 1: find them. I think I must have left them somewhere else.

1366
01:14:49,200 --> 01:14:51,680
Speaker 1: Um and I. One of them was very good. The

1367
01:14:51,720 --> 01:14:54,439
Speaker 1: other one was written by a British journalist, um and

1368
01:14:54,680 --> 01:14:59,719
Speaker 1: it carries that uh, that British bias against firearms. Basically,

1369
01:14:59,760 --> 01:15:01,760
Speaker 1: the guy this thesis of the book is that all

1370
01:15:01,800 --> 01:15:03,720
Speaker 1: of these wars in Africa, in the Middle East and

1371
01:15:03,760 --> 01:15:07,000
Speaker 1: so forth wouldn't happen without the Kalashnikov. Um That the

1372
01:15:07,080 --> 01:15:10,680
Speaker 1: Kalashnikov perpetuates these conflicts and keeps them going. And you know,

1373
01:15:10,720 --> 01:15:14,479
Speaker 1: they wouldn't happen without Mikhail Kalashnikov's invention. I don't I

1374
01:15:14,479 --> 01:15:18,520
Speaker 1: don't know how you feel about that, Jeff. You know,

1375
01:15:19,240 --> 01:15:22,679
Speaker 1: you're kind of stepping outside my my area of expert

1376
01:15:22,720 --> 01:15:25,599
Speaker 1: you know, the geopolitical, and like everybody's kind of got

1377
01:15:25,640 --> 01:15:28,080
Speaker 1: their own opinions. And on one hand, you could go, well, yeah,

1378
01:15:28,080 --> 01:15:30,559
Speaker 1: they didn't have guns, but then would they just you know,

1379
01:15:30,560 --> 01:15:33,160
Speaker 1: would they picked up rocks and smash each you know,

1380
01:15:33,680 --> 01:15:35,679
Speaker 1: you can kind of go back and forth on that.

1381
01:15:35,760 --> 01:15:41,240
Speaker 1: But um, so maybe, but I'm familiar with that book.

1382
01:15:41,240 --> 01:15:43,240
Speaker 1: I can't remember the name of it either. And yeah,

1383
01:15:43,439 --> 01:15:47,400
Speaker 1: it's like very few books I don't finish reading that was.

1384
01:15:48,160 --> 01:15:49,840
Speaker 1: That was one of them because I was like, oh,

1385
01:15:49,880 --> 01:15:52,320
Speaker 1: this is just so biased. Just give me the information.

1386
01:15:52,560 --> 01:15:54,400
Speaker 1: I remember the cover of the book. It has these

1387
01:15:54,439 --> 01:15:56,800
Speaker 1: like big red dots on it. Um. I'm sorry, I

1388
01:15:56,840 --> 01:16:00,240
Speaker 1: can't remember the name or the author's name. Um. I

1389
01:16:00,240 --> 01:16:02,960
Speaker 1: would just weigh in on it this way. Let's take

1390
01:16:03,000 --> 01:16:06,280
Speaker 1: the continent of Africa. It has more ethnic groups and

1391
01:16:06,320 --> 01:16:09,639
Speaker 1: more spoken languages on it than any other continent on Earth.

1392
01:16:10,040 --> 01:16:12,320
Speaker 1: And I would argue that that has a lot more

1393
01:16:12,360 --> 01:16:14,400
Speaker 1: to do with why you see so much war there

1394
01:16:14,840 --> 01:16:18,320
Speaker 1: than the introduction of the a K forty seven rifle.

1395
01:16:18,680 --> 01:16:23,120
Speaker 1: My two cents, without it, without a doubt, without a doubt,

1396
01:16:24,000 --> 01:16:28,800
Speaker 1: my two cents. So, do you have any stories about

1397
01:16:28,840 --> 01:16:33,639
Speaker 1: the kalashnikov in action from your own deployments overseas? Yeah?

1398
01:16:33,680 --> 01:16:36,200
Speaker 1: You know, like for me, you know when I was

1399
01:16:36,320 --> 01:16:39,080
Speaker 1: when I was in the CT unit, you know, all

1400
01:16:39,160 --> 01:16:42,800
Speaker 1: of our guys were married up within ditch forces, and

1401
01:16:43,080 --> 01:16:47,120
Speaker 1: I worked both Iraq and Afghanistan, but I was heavy

1402
01:16:47,200 --> 01:16:49,920
Speaker 1: on the Afghan side just I'd like the you know,

1403
01:16:49,960 --> 01:16:52,240
Speaker 1: I'm from Utah, and so maybe it was the mountains

1404
01:16:52,320 --> 01:16:55,080
Speaker 1: I felt more at home in Afghanistan or something like that.

1405
01:16:55,160 --> 01:16:57,400
Speaker 1: I kind of identified with the Afghans a little bit

1406
01:16:57,439 --> 01:17:01,080
Speaker 1: more too, I think. And so, but it was also

1407
01:17:01,520 --> 01:17:03,600
Speaker 1: you know, I carried one of the sales in the

1408
01:17:03,680 --> 01:17:07,200
Speaker 1: unit for twelve years and um, and I carry an

1409
01:17:07,200 --> 01:17:11,280
Speaker 1: AK every one of my every one of my deployments.

1410
01:17:11,479 --> 01:17:14,799
Speaker 1: And and I carried it for a couple of different reasons.

1411
01:17:15,280 --> 01:17:19,719
Speaker 1: You know, I carried it because I believe in the rifle.

1412
01:17:19,920 --> 01:17:22,080
Speaker 1: Is it. I thought it was a great rifle. And

1413
01:17:23,000 --> 01:17:25,280
Speaker 1: I feel like I got pretty good at the mechanics

1414
01:17:25,280 --> 01:17:27,840
Speaker 1: of the rifle as well as you know, I'm the

1415
01:17:27,880 --> 01:17:31,080
Speaker 1: reloading and the speed and all of that stuff, the

1416
01:17:31,160 --> 01:17:34,120
Speaker 1: speed and as well as the accuracy and the fluidity

1417
01:17:34,200 --> 01:17:38,080
Speaker 1: more than anything of handling the rifle. Um. But then

1418
01:17:38,120 --> 01:17:41,000
Speaker 1: also it was a big report builder too. I didn't

1419
01:17:41,120 --> 01:17:45,040
Speaker 1: I didn't necessarily agree with Okay, we're given, you know,

1420
01:17:45,120 --> 01:17:48,839
Speaker 1: we're given above us one rifle. But now here I'm

1421
01:17:48,880 --> 01:17:51,960
Speaker 1: I'm sitting here with my five thousand dollar. That's what

1422
01:17:52,000 --> 01:17:55,120
Speaker 1: I'm not getting at before. What's that? That's what I

1423
01:17:55,160 --> 01:17:57,519
Speaker 1: was getting at before that there's this like chasm between

1424
01:17:57,680 --> 01:17:59,760
Speaker 1: us and them because we have all these high tech

1425
01:17:59,800 --> 01:18:03,639
Speaker 1: to exactly you know, and so like when like when

1426
01:18:03,640 --> 01:18:07,479
Speaker 1: Mike commandos were having a hard time hitting targets, they

1427
01:18:07,479 --> 01:18:09,120
Speaker 1: couldn't go to me and go, you know, it's my

1428
01:18:09,280 --> 01:18:11,920
Speaker 1: rifle because you know, because I could pick up their

1429
01:18:12,040 --> 01:18:14,640
Speaker 1: rifle and hit the targets out on the range and go,

1430
01:18:14,880 --> 01:18:17,439
Speaker 1: there's nothing wrong with this rifle. Come on, you know

1431
01:18:17,479 --> 01:18:20,040
Speaker 1: what you know and and go back through the BRM

1432
01:18:20,080 --> 01:18:23,439
Speaker 1: and all of that stuff. And so I it was

1433
01:18:23,479 --> 01:18:27,280
Speaker 1: one of those sources of rapport as well as pride

1434
01:18:27,400 --> 01:18:30,960
Speaker 1: for me where it's like i'll, you know, with with

1435
01:18:31,120 --> 01:18:34,679
Speaker 1: the endage of I'll carry what you carry. I carried

1436
01:18:34,680 --> 01:18:38,760
Speaker 1: their equipment and I carried their rifle. I'll do what

1437
01:18:38,840 --> 01:18:41,040
Speaker 1: I asked you to do, like I was with them

1438
01:18:41,040 --> 01:18:43,960
Speaker 1: when we were on assaults going into buildings. Well, like

1439
01:18:44,840 --> 01:18:47,160
Speaker 1: very very close is when I was reading your book

1440
01:18:47,160 --> 01:18:50,479
Speaker 1: talking about the the Idraki swat team that you were

1441
01:18:50,520 --> 01:18:53,439
Speaker 1: working with, it was like, yo, yeah, I'm very familiar

1442
01:18:53,479 --> 01:18:55,680
Speaker 1: with that. It's me and me and a couple of

1443
01:18:55,720 --> 01:18:57,920
Speaker 1: other Americans and a whole bunch of those other dudes.

1444
01:18:58,400 --> 01:19:01,240
Speaker 1: And I hope I one one, report two did a

1445
01:19:01,240 --> 01:19:05,000
Speaker 1: good job training these guys, and in in three do

1446
01:19:05,080 --> 01:19:07,679
Speaker 1: a good job in front of these guys too, because

1447
01:19:07,680 --> 01:19:11,559
Speaker 1: I respect their thing, because these guys are soldiers as well. Yeah,

1448
01:19:11,600 --> 01:19:15,920
Speaker 1: that's absolutely like the Lawrence of Arabia approach, or or

1449
01:19:16,040 --> 01:19:18,799
Speaker 1: even che Guavera. Frankly, I mean he was an authentic

1450
01:19:18,840 --> 01:19:21,519
Speaker 1: revolutionary who like he was not afraid to be a

1451
01:19:21,520 --> 01:19:25,760
Speaker 1: field commander. Yeah, I wasn't afraid to get out there

1452
01:19:25,800 --> 01:19:27,840
Speaker 1: and mix it up. And I'd hear that from my

1453
01:19:27,880 --> 01:19:30,519
Speaker 1: guys where they're like and they always knew that I

1454
01:19:30,560 --> 01:19:33,519
Speaker 1: was looking out for him, and so and that's with

1455
01:19:33,920 --> 01:19:35,760
Speaker 1: you know, we go out there and do you know,

1456
01:19:35,880 --> 01:19:39,600
Speaker 1: reloading drills and stuff like that. It was you know,

1457
01:19:39,680 --> 01:19:41,759
Speaker 1: I could I could do it as well or better

1458
01:19:41,800 --> 01:19:43,840
Speaker 1: than than they could. And so I was like, okay,

1459
01:19:43,880 --> 01:19:46,000
Speaker 1: he okay, we can listen to him. He's nextually and

1460
01:19:46,120 --> 01:19:48,439
Speaker 1: running through the house doing close bater bottle and all

1461
01:19:48,439 --> 01:19:51,000
Speaker 1: of that. And then we when it counted when we

1462
01:19:51,000 --> 01:19:53,920
Speaker 1: were out on targets, that's the rifle that I had

1463
01:19:54,000 --> 01:19:56,640
Speaker 1: with me and you know, and I think that was

1464
01:19:56,680 --> 01:19:58,600
Speaker 1: a that was a big pushing But but that was

1465
01:19:58,640 --> 01:20:01,360
Speaker 1: also is because like I I knew the rifle, I

1466
01:20:01,400 --> 01:20:05,040
Speaker 1: was trusted the rifle. I was surrounded by a whole

1467
01:20:05,040 --> 01:20:08,760
Speaker 1: bunch of AMMO bearers, you know, so if I did

1468
01:20:08,840 --> 01:20:10,519
Speaker 1: run out of AMMO, then the guy next to me,

1469
01:20:10,560 --> 01:20:13,360
Speaker 1: I could use his AMMO. I never really understood carrying

1470
01:20:13,360 --> 01:20:15,960
Speaker 1: a M sixteen when we're surrounded by a bunch of

1471
01:20:16,000 --> 01:20:19,680
Speaker 1: other guys curing different calibers, um and so. But then

1472
01:20:19,720 --> 01:20:23,000
Speaker 1: it all and then it also I looked like the

1473
01:20:23,080 --> 01:20:25,519
Speaker 1: guys that I was with, and so I always kept

1474
01:20:25,520 --> 01:20:27,680
Speaker 1: it in the back of my head. If like, if

1475
01:20:27,720 --> 01:20:31,959
Speaker 1: I'm some chechen sniper or some you know, whatever sniper,

1476
01:20:32,080 --> 01:20:33,880
Speaker 1: who are you going to shoot? Well he's got the

1477
01:20:33,960 --> 01:20:36,800
Speaker 1: radio and he's carrying the M sixteen. Well, well that

1478
01:20:36,880 --> 01:20:39,680
Speaker 1: guy he must be the American regardless if he's wearing it,

1479
01:20:39,680 --> 01:20:42,320
Speaker 1: he's got a beer or whatever. I'm from, I shooting

1480
01:20:42,360 --> 01:20:46,640
Speaker 1: him first. Yeah, that's huge. When I was Interack in

1481
01:20:46,760 --> 01:20:49,840
Speaker 1: two thousand nine, it was like we always said that, like,

1482
01:20:50,000 --> 01:20:52,519
Speaker 1: how come there's this general order from some officer that

1483
01:20:52,600 --> 01:20:55,160
Speaker 1: we have to be in a c U s all

1484
01:20:55,160 --> 01:20:58,639
Speaker 1: the time when we're going out on target with indigenous forces,

1485
01:20:58,840 --> 01:21:01,559
Speaker 1: we should be wearing their uniform arm And then like finally,

1486
01:21:01,600 --> 01:21:03,439
Speaker 1: like a couple of months into that deployment, like it

1487
01:21:03,520 --> 01:21:07,200
Speaker 1: came down like you must be in the indigenous uniform

1488
01:21:07,400 --> 01:21:10,000
Speaker 1: is just going from night and day. So yeah, we

1489
01:21:10,040 --> 01:21:12,519
Speaker 1: went up and we started wearing the same knockoff mar

1490
01:21:12,600 --> 01:21:17,840
Speaker 1: pat uniforms that the Iraqi swat team were. Yeah, but

1491
01:21:17,880 --> 01:21:20,920
Speaker 1: it's a you know, it's a force protection thing. Yeah. Yeah,

1492
01:21:21,640 --> 01:21:24,519
Speaker 1: and no one will even know there were Americans on target.

1493
01:21:25,479 --> 01:21:28,439
Speaker 1: M hm. Never do. And you do a great amount

1494
01:21:28,439 --> 01:21:30,840
Speaker 1: of good when you do that because now, like the

1495
01:21:30,880 --> 01:21:34,760
Speaker 1: locals are like, well, this is our own military um

1496
01:21:34,800 --> 01:21:38,720
Speaker 1: and so it bolsters the you know, the the legitimacy

1497
01:21:39,240 --> 01:21:41,720
Speaker 1: of the government as well. I mean, it's just a

1498
01:21:41,800 --> 01:21:44,759
Speaker 1: huge force multiplier. We used to say that for every

1499
01:21:44,800 --> 01:21:47,840
Speaker 1: one of our commandos that we had, we were replacing

1500
01:21:48,000 --> 01:21:51,719
Speaker 1: five Americans that didn't have to come over and flight

1501
01:21:51,800 --> 01:21:54,760
Speaker 1: in the war. Yeah, and blending in like that keeps

1502
01:21:54,840 --> 01:21:59,959
Speaker 1: the Jeff Kirkhams of the world safe too, absolutely absolute.

1503
01:22:00,040 --> 01:22:03,800
Speaker 1: Way I gotta So here's a funny story. We're on

1504
01:22:03,840 --> 01:22:06,680
Speaker 1: the target one time and anyways, we went into an

1505
01:22:06,720 --> 01:22:08,840
Speaker 1: area as held by Taliban and blah blah blah, and

1506
01:22:09,479 --> 01:22:11,760
Speaker 1: we had some Marsak guys were attached to us, so

1507
01:22:11,800 --> 01:22:14,519
Speaker 1: it's us with local indiage and then we had a

1508
01:22:14,640 --> 01:22:19,200
Speaker 1: Marsack contingent that was that was with us and um.

1509
01:22:19,320 --> 01:22:21,960
Speaker 1: So we're holding this section of the village during the

1510
01:22:22,040 --> 01:22:24,559
Speaker 1: day and we're expecting to get attacked at any moment

1511
01:22:24,600 --> 01:22:29,000
Speaker 1: because we're in the middle of Taligan held territory. And

1512
01:22:29,000 --> 01:22:30,800
Speaker 1: and I'm walking down the street and at one point

1513
01:22:30,840 --> 01:22:33,840
Speaker 1: in my life I could speak Poshtu very well. And

1514
01:22:34,240 --> 01:22:36,439
Speaker 1: we're walking. I'm walking down the street, you know, these

1515
01:22:36,520 --> 01:22:39,000
Speaker 1: dusty roads, and there's this little girl is standing out

1516
01:22:39,000 --> 01:22:42,400
Speaker 1: on the street and I'm like, hey, what are you doing.

1517
01:22:42,520 --> 01:22:44,519
Speaker 1: And she's like, oh, I'm not here getting water. And

1518
01:22:44,520 --> 01:22:47,599
Speaker 1: I was like, no, you gotta get off the street.

1519
01:22:47,680 --> 01:22:49,559
Speaker 1: That's dangerous. And she was like okay. And I was like,

1520
01:22:49,600 --> 01:22:51,880
Speaker 1: where you live? And she's like, Hey, I live in

1521
01:22:51,880 --> 01:22:54,519
Speaker 1: that compound right there. What was the compound that the

1522
01:22:54,560 --> 01:22:58,679
Speaker 1: Marines had occupied when we came into this This Warnut's

1523
01:22:58,720 --> 01:23:01,000
Speaker 1: nest right And so I was like, hey, come on.

1524
01:23:01,040 --> 01:23:03,360
Speaker 1: So I walked her over to the gate and you know,

1525
01:23:03,439 --> 01:23:06,160
Speaker 1: there's a marine up on the wall looking down at

1526
01:23:06,200 --> 01:23:09,640
Speaker 1: me kind of sideways. And mind you, I've got like

1527
01:23:09,680 --> 01:23:12,760
Speaker 1: a great big beard, I'm wearing. I'm wearing the uniforms

1528
01:23:12,760 --> 01:23:14,640
Speaker 1: these guys have. I haven't. I'm carrying an a K

1529
01:23:14,800 --> 01:23:17,479
Speaker 1: and all their kids. And so I bang on the

1530
01:23:17,560 --> 01:23:22,200
Speaker 1: door and the door opens up, and this young marine

1531
01:23:22,680 --> 01:23:25,640
Speaker 1: looks at me and he's like yeah. And so I

1532
01:23:26,720 --> 01:23:28,959
Speaker 1: talked to the little girl. I'm like, hey, go inside,

1533
01:23:29,080 --> 01:23:31,919
Speaker 1: don't come back out on the street because it's dangerous.

1534
01:23:31,920 --> 01:23:34,519
Speaker 1: And she's like, okay, thanks, and she, you know, she's

1535
01:23:34,520 --> 01:23:37,200
Speaker 1: like five or six years old. She runs inside and

1536
01:23:37,280 --> 01:23:41,040
Speaker 1: I and I looked back at the marine and he goes,

1537
01:23:41,960 --> 01:23:45,840
Speaker 1: do you even speak English? And I go and I

1538
01:23:45,920 --> 01:23:49,280
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, I speak English. And I walked off. Well,

1539
01:23:49,320 --> 01:23:51,519
Speaker 1: I come to find out I met that guy years

1540
01:23:51,600 --> 01:23:53,719
Speaker 1: later and he was like, dude, I was that marine

1541
01:23:53,960 --> 01:23:58,120
Speaker 1: on that He's like, I've told that story about a

1542
01:23:58,160 --> 01:24:01,519
Speaker 1: million times because all thought you were just some big

1543
01:24:01,560 --> 01:24:09,080
Speaker 1: aft Yet no, now, you know, do you have any uh,

1544
01:24:09,240 --> 01:24:11,960
Speaker 1: any interesting stories you can tell us about when you

1545
01:24:11,960 --> 01:24:14,160
Speaker 1: guys did get into some dustups with the endage and

1546
01:24:14,439 --> 01:24:16,800
Speaker 1: you've got to see the Kalashnikov in action out and

1547
01:24:17,200 --> 01:24:19,320
Speaker 1: you know what's a you know, obviously you know, a

1548
01:24:19,400 --> 01:24:23,400
Speaker 1: very austere environment out there in Afghanistan. Yeah, you know,

1549
01:24:23,760 --> 01:24:26,800
Speaker 1: the klashnikov is is interesting. And I saw this a

1550
01:24:26,800 --> 01:24:29,320
Speaker 1: couple of times too, where it's like, you know, if

1551
01:24:29,320 --> 01:24:32,200
Speaker 1: we're doing a helicopter assault, you run through the run

1552
01:24:32,200 --> 01:24:35,519
Speaker 1: through the moon dust, and then you'd you'd start mixing

1553
01:24:35,600 --> 01:24:37,680
Speaker 1: up guys, you know, guys to tell me. They're like, hey,

1554
01:24:37,680 --> 01:24:40,320
Speaker 1: I'm I'm faster with my you know, this is where

1555
01:24:40,360 --> 01:24:43,440
Speaker 1: beans analysis is going to kick in, right, the totality

1556
01:24:43,479 --> 01:24:45,400
Speaker 1: of the system where you guys would go, well, I

1557
01:24:45,479 --> 01:24:48,479
Speaker 1: carry the you know, I carry them four because I

1558
01:24:48,560 --> 01:24:50,640
Speaker 1: can reload it faster. And I was like, well, can

1559
01:24:50,680 --> 01:24:53,240
Speaker 1: you reload it faster if you've been doing immediate action?

1560
01:24:53,320 --> 01:24:56,240
Speaker 1: Drolls your moon dust? Because how many of us have

1561
01:24:56,320 --> 01:25:00,120
Speaker 1: had magazines that have got stuck in the magazine well, um,

1562
01:25:00,160 --> 01:25:03,000
Speaker 1: from the fine grit moon dust. And then they're okay,

1563
01:25:03,040 --> 01:25:04,920
Speaker 1: you're right, and I was like, well, I've never had

1564
01:25:04,920 --> 01:25:07,160
Speaker 1: a magazine hang up on the m A A K. Never,

1565
01:25:07,840 --> 01:25:10,719
Speaker 1: And so you know, running off, you know the same

1566
01:25:10,760 --> 01:25:13,719
Speaker 1: thing happened one night, you know, and it's also too

1567
01:25:13,800 --> 01:25:17,160
Speaker 1: interesting too, is bullets are bullets, and in ballistics are

1568
01:25:17,200 --> 01:25:19,240
Speaker 1: an interesting thing. So and it's like we this is

1569
01:25:19,280 --> 01:25:21,920
Speaker 1: this constant debate that we've that we have here in

1570
01:25:21,960 --> 01:25:25,040
Speaker 1: the United States about the lethality and one stop kills

1571
01:25:25,080 --> 01:25:28,200
Speaker 1: and all this other stuff with bullets, and you know,

1572
01:25:28,200 --> 01:25:31,840
Speaker 1: and it's interesting at least in my experience of time

1573
01:25:31,880 --> 01:25:36,519
Speaker 1: over there. And I've seen numerous wounds on individuals, bad

1574
01:25:36,560 --> 01:25:40,400
Speaker 1: guys him good guys, And there's no rhyme or reason.

1575
01:25:41,040 --> 01:25:43,200
Speaker 1: I've seen guys shot with A K S that it

1576
01:25:43,280 --> 01:25:45,080
Speaker 1: was a through and through. I've seen guys shot with

1577
01:25:45,120 --> 01:25:49,360
Speaker 1: an aks look like somebody took a a ice cream

1578
01:25:49,439 --> 01:25:53,520
Speaker 1: scooper of meat out of the back of that guy. Um,

1579
01:25:53,560 --> 01:25:55,280
Speaker 1: you know. And I've seen the same thing with five

1580
01:25:55,640 --> 01:25:58,760
Speaker 1: six and so it's kind of interesting. But I will say,

1581
01:25:58,800 --> 01:26:01,559
Speaker 1: like these guys, you know, when we when we were

1582
01:26:01,560 --> 01:26:04,360
Speaker 1: when we've been moving, like when we got into fights,

1583
01:26:04,800 --> 01:26:07,240
Speaker 1: you know, the A K s they worked, you know,

1584
01:26:07,320 --> 01:26:09,360
Speaker 1: the guys could use them at night. I think the

1585
01:26:09,400 --> 01:26:13,120
Speaker 1: techniques that we that we developed, well we didn't develop them.

1586
01:26:13,280 --> 01:26:15,639
Speaker 1: They just kind of evolved. And we were stealing from

1587
01:26:16,040 --> 01:26:19,240
Speaker 1: Peter Rock Paul and to try and figure out the

1588
01:26:19,280 --> 01:26:22,680
Speaker 1: best way to manage this, manage this rifle and conflict.

1589
01:26:22,720 --> 01:26:24,439
Speaker 1: And you know, that thin slice down there for a

1590
01:26:24,520 --> 01:26:26,559
Speaker 1: couple of years to the way that you know, kind

1591
01:26:26,560 --> 01:26:28,639
Speaker 1: of the way that I teach people to use it now.

1592
01:26:28,680 --> 01:26:31,880
Speaker 1: But it was always satisfying to see that when we

1593
01:26:31,920 --> 01:26:35,240
Speaker 1: got into fights, you know, the rounds were going where

1594
01:26:35,280 --> 01:26:38,080
Speaker 1: they were supposed to go. And that's because of the

1595
01:26:38,200 --> 01:26:42,080
Speaker 1: design of the a K. It's designed to impact the

1596
01:26:42,120 --> 01:26:44,479
Speaker 1: earth if you're just shooting over the top of your sites,

1597
01:26:44,760 --> 01:26:47,519
Speaker 1: as human beings tend to do under stress and in

1598
01:26:47,560 --> 01:26:51,080
Speaker 1: the dark, but it's designed to impact in a hundred meters.

1599
01:26:51,120 --> 01:26:53,559
Speaker 1: And I saw that over and over again where we

1600
01:26:53,600 --> 01:26:56,680
Speaker 1: get at night, under stressed, where we begin, you know,

1601
01:26:56,840 --> 01:26:59,480
Speaker 1: get into these fights, and the a ks were impacting

1602
01:26:59,640 --> 01:27:02,040
Speaker 1: in the area where they were supposed to impact, or

1603
01:27:02,280 --> 01:27:05,240
Speaker 1: impacting in the bodies. And then it was also like

1604
01:27:05,320 --> 01:27:09,360
Speaker 1: the round two like on the receiving end from bad guys.

1605
01:27:09,400 --> 01:27:12,160
Speaker 1: And that's kind of one of the stories of raps

1606
01:27:12,200 --> 01:27:15,680
Speaker 1: Trnicket of why I developed the rats is we're we

1607
01:27:15,800 --> 01:27:18,439
Speaker 1: moved up to a compound one night and U we're

1608
01:27:18,439 --> 01:27:20,639
Speaker 1: getting ready to assault it. You know, it had one

1609
01:27:20,720 --> 01:27:24,640
Speaker 1: to five Volcada guys inside, we weren't really sure, you know,

1610
01:27:24,720 --> 01:27:27,160
Speaker 1: reminiscent of your book where you kind of get some

1611
01:27:27,200 --> 01:27:29,599
Speaker 1: pretty forms and intelligence. He did the bad guys there,

1612
01:27:29,600 --> 01:27:31,960
Speaker 1: and it's like the day, let's get well how many

1613
01:27:31,960 --> 01:27:34,400
Speaker 1: are there? Well, I don't know one or five. Well,

1614
01:27:34,400 --> 01:27:38,120
Speaker 1: that's a big difference. And so in anyways, we're lining

1615
01:27:38,200 --> 01:27:41,240
Speaker 1: up on the we're lining up on the door, are

1616
01:27:41,280 --> 01:27:43,160
Speaker 1: getting ready to line up on the gate. You know,

1617
01:27:43,280 --> 01:27:46,479
Speaker 1: guys are putting the charges in place. Two guys we

1618
01:27:46,600 --> 01:27:50,040
Speaker 1: got compromised. One of the a Q guys comes out

1619
01:27:50,120 --> 01:27:53,240
Speaker 1: and he starts frozen the gate down, so the gates closed.

1620
01:27:53,680 --> 01:27:56,679
Speaker 1: He starts crosing the gate down with a k around.

1621
01:27:56,760 --> 01:27:58,880
Speaker 1: So my two guys that are up in the in

1622
01:27:58,920 --> 01:28:01,479
Speaker 1: the line of fire, they get hit in the legs

1623
01:28:02,200 --> 01:28:04,360
Speaker 1: with with a case. And this is one of those

1624
01:28:04,400 --> 01:28:08,320
Speaker 1: instances where you know, one guy looked like a chunk

1625
01:28:08,400 --> 01:28:10,320
Speaker 1: of meat had been taken out of his sy like

1626
01:28:10,400 --> 01:28:13,200
Speaker 1: somebody taking our ice cream scooper and done it. And

1627
01:28:13,240 --> 01:28:14,880
Speaker 1: the other guy was just a thrown through. And that

1628
01:28:14,960 --> 01:28:17,000
Speaker 1: was after it drawn through this gate that you would

1629
01:28:17,080 --> 01:28:21,200
Speaker 1: argue would have probably have made it started gone to

1630
01:28:22,880 --> 01:28:27,360
Speaker 1: slow down or something but you know, two guys, same build,

1631
01:28:27,680 --> 01:28:30,680
Speaker 1: you know, same gate, same gun, same bullets, you know,

1632
01:28:30,880 --> 01:28:33,439
Speaker 1: two different wing channels. And I was like whoa, And

1633
01:28:33,520 --> 01:28:35,320
Speaker 1: you know, so we jumped up and we drugged these

1634
01:28:35,360 --> 01:28:39,599
Speaker 1: guys down into the into the into a ditch so

1635
01:28:39,640 --> 01:28:41,760
Speaker 1: that medics can get working on them. And then you know,

1636
01:28:42,000 --> 01:28:44,840
Speaker 1: and that's another another story for another time where I

1637
01:28:44,920 --> 01:28:46,840
Speaker 1: watched the medics kind of fun. You know, we're in

1638
01:28:46,880 --> 01:28:50,240
Speaker 1: the dark under fire, medics wearing gloves, you know, they're

1639
01:28:50,240 --> 01:28:54,360
Speaker 1: Afghan medics wearing gloves, you know, fumbling with the tourniquet

1640
01:28:54,400 --> 01:28:56,519
Speaker 1: that we've been issued. And so there was one of

1641
01:28:56,520 --> 01:28:58,720
Speaker 1: those snapshot moments where I looked at it and I

1642
01:28:58,760 --> 01:29:01,680
Speaker 1: was like, that's that's weird. And then you know, and

1643
01:29:01,680 --> 01:29:03,760
Speaker 1: then it was back on trying to conduct the fight

1644
01:29:03,840 --> 01:29:07,839
Speaker 1: and stuff and so um. But that that was another

1645
01:29:07,880 --> 01:29:10,800
Speaker 1: one where you know, the a K just performed really

1646
01:29:10,840 --> 01:29:14,080
Speaker 1: well on you know, on the other guys and you know,

1647
01:29:14,120 --> 01:29:16,800
Speaker 1: we ended up getting him. But but but on the

1648
01:29:17,000 --> 01:29:19,240
Speaker 1: but on the back end worked really well there too.

1649
01:29:19,400 --> 01:29:22,080
Speaker 1: You know, the first raps was a guy that was

1650
01:29:22,120 --> 01:29:24,439
Speaker 1: shot in the leg with an a K and that

1651
01:29:24,680 --> 01:29:26,599
Speaker 1: you know, again it was like a chunk of meat

1652
01:29:26,800 --> 01:29:30,280
Speaker 1: was taken from that guy's leg and you know used

1653
01:29:30,360 --> 01:29:32,439
Speaker 1: or used one of my tourniquets on his leg to

1654
01:29:32,479 --> 01:29:35,439
Speaker 1: stop used actually as a guy that had decided to

1655
01:29:35,479 --> 01:29:39,320
Speaker 1: fight us one night. And so but go, I answer

1656
01:29:39,360 --> 01:29:46,000
Speaker 1: your questions, pretty cool stories, definitely interesting and uh, I

1657
01:29:46,040 --> 01:29:50,840
Speaker 1: mean the is just like quintessential to Afghanistan too, like

1658
01:29:50,960 --> 01:29:54,000
Speaker 1: you will never separate the Afghan people from their kalashnikov.

1659
01:29:54,439 --> 01:29:56,960
Speaker 1: And even though I was bringing up on the last

1660
01:29:57,000 --> 01:29:59,400
Speaker 1: podcast because we were talking about how we're going to

1661
01:29:59,479 --> 01:30:01,640
Speaker 1: get into the US on this episode, I think the

1662
01:30:01,680 --> 01:30:05,120
Speaker 1: kalashnikov has appeared on like the flags of what two

1663
01:30:05,200 --> 01:30:09,280
Speaker 1: or three different countries over the years. It has, Yeah, yeah,

1664
01:30:09,439 --> 01:30:11,760
Speaker 1: it certainly has. It should be on that. I think

1665
01:30:11,760 --> 01:30:14,280
Speaker 1: there's one of the Middle Eastern countries, and then I

1666
01:30:14,400 --> 01:30:17,280
Speaker 1: think a couple of the African countries have they put

1667
01:30:17,280 --> 01:30:21,000
Speaker 1: it up on their flag. They do make those Afghan

1668
01:30:21,000 --> 01:30:26,360
Speaker 1: work carpets though that feature the kalashnikov. That's true. I

1669
01:30:26,439 --> 01:30:31,880
Speaker 1: might have brought a few of those homes. So you know,

1670
01:30:32,240 --> 01:30:34,720
Speaker 1: I think I think the basis of you know, the

1671
01:30:34,920 --> 01:30:40,640
Speaker 1: entire conversation is a there's there's the a ks are

1672
01:30:40,720 --> 01:30:42,720
Speaker 1: great is a great system now am I saying that

1673
01:30:42,760 --> 01:30:46,519
Speaker 1: the United States military should you know, switch hole hog

1674
01:30:46,600 --> 01:30:48,920
Speaker 1: over to a a K though, I think that's that's

1675
01:30:48,920 --> 01:30:50,559
Speaker 1: not what I'm saying, And I don't think that's what

1676
01:30:50,640 --> 01:30:55,520
Speaker 1: you're saying either, Jack. I think the whole premises we've discounted,

1677
01:30:55,800 --> 01:31:01,240
Speaker 1: we've discounted this genius and engineering now for like seventy years,

1678
01:31:01,920 --> 01:31:05,320
Speaker 1: and and maybe just maybe we should look at that

1679
01:31:06,280 --> 01:31:09,120
Speaker 1: and then a doctor owned so that we could have

1680
01:31:09,200 --> 01:31:14,719
Speaker 1: an even better rifle than the one that we have now. Yeah,

1681
01:31:14,800 --> 01:31:17,960
Speaker 1: I think so for sure. I think especially for SF teams,

1682
01:31:17,960 --> 01:31:20,360
Speaker 1: there's something to be said for you know, like if

1683
01:31:20,400 --> 01:31:23,760
Speaker 1: you're going to a country that uses kalashnikovs and that's

1684
01:31:23,800 --> 01:31:25,920
Speaker 1: the kind of bullets you're going to find on the battlefield,

1685
01:31:26,680 --> 01:31:32,439
Speaker 1: just carrying a K terry and carrying a K. I mean,

1686
01:31:32,520 --> 01:31:35,040
Speaker 1: it's you know, I used to I used to have

1687
01:31:35,080 --> 01:31:36,880
Speaker 1: some of my buddies that were like, well, I carry

1688
01:31:36,920 --> 01:31:40,240
Speaker 1: him forth, doesn't more comfortable with it? And it was like, hey, man,

1689
01:31:40,360 --> 01:31:45,200
Speaker 1: that's that's not really an excuse. Your your professional which

1690
01:31:45,200 --> 01:31:48,759
Speaker 1: means ultimately you should you should be such a better

1691
01:31:48,840 --> 01:31:52,320
Speaker 1: expert in every rifle system, but most especially the ones

1692
01:31:52,360 --> 01:31:56,200
Speaker 1: you're you're most likely going to encounter. Yeah, I mean,

1693
01:31:56,320 --> 01:31:59,080
Speaker 1: if you're working with a military that carries the F

1694
01:31:59,240 --> 01:32:01,920
Speaker 1: A L or you're working what's that Israeli rifle, the

1695
01:32:02,040 --> 01:32:08,240
Speaker 1: tav or or whatever, I mean, whatever the bore. Yeah, yeah,

1696
01:32:08,360 --> 01:32:11,600
Speaker 1: absolutely absolutely, you know, And that's and really that's a

1697
01:32:11,920 --> 01:32:14,799
Speaker 1: I guess I mean that the risk of sound and crass.

1698
01:32:14,840 --> 01:32:16,720
Speaker 1: So I mean, I'm not trying to be crass, but

1699
01:32:17,040 --> 01:32:19,840
Speaker 1: that's kind of the difference between a professional and you know,

1700
01:32:19,880 --> 01:32:23,439
Speaker 1: and and somebody who's who's not a true professional. Just

1701
01:32:23,560 --> 01:32:26,559
Speaker 1: you know, it's like constant improvement in the constant you know,

1702
01:32:26,600 --> 01:32:29,760
Speaker 1: the constant thin slicing down to get to the root

1703
01:32:29,880 --> 01:32:34,000
Speaker 1: of understanding of as much as is in your profession

1704
01:32:34,080 --> 01:32:36,360
Speaker 1: as possible. You know. It's kind of like a musician,

1705
01:32:36,960 --> 01:32:41,000
Speaker 1: you know, like you know, Prince the musician or the

1706
01:32:41,080 --> 01:32:44,040
Speaker 1: musician formally known as Prince I guess before he passed away,

1707
01:32:44,040 --> 01:32:46,280
Speaker 1: but but you know, and I'm not a big fan

1708
01:32:46,320 --> 01:32:49,439
Speaker 1: of Prince, but you read articles about this guy and

1709
01:32:49,520 --> 01:32:52,600
Speaker 1: he literally knew how to play like every instrument that

1710
01:32:52,640 --> 01:32:54,200
Speaker 1: you could put in front of him. He was like

1711
01:32:54,880 --> 01:32:59,680
Speaker 1: unbelievably versed in everything to do with music, and so

1712
01:32:59,800 --> 01:33:02,720
Speaker 1: You've got to respect that. I mean, really, you've got

1713
01:33:02,720 --> 01:33:05,679
Speaker 1: to respect that because it's like, Wow, this guy knew

1714
01:33:05,680 --> 01:33:09,040
Speaker 1: how to do it all. And that's what I think.

1715
01:33:09,080 --> 01:33:10,920
Speaker 1: You know, you think about a special force of soldier

1716
01:33:11,000 --> 01:33:14,360
Speaker 1: or something that's I mean, so should we or at

1717
01:33:14,439 --> 01:33:16,680
Speaker 1: least that's what we should be striving for or at

1718
01:33:16,720 --> 01:33:19,400
Speaker 1: least you know, when I was in that's what I

1719
01:33:19,439 --> 01:33:24,639
Speaker 1: was striving for. Absolutely. So any final thoughts on the

1720
01:33:25,120 --> 01:33:27,720
Speaker 1: a K before we start wrapping this one up. No,

1721
01:33:27,960 --> 01:33:30,439
Speaker 1: I think you know, there's a lot of there's been

1722
01:33:30,479 --> 01:33:33,360
Speaker 1: a resurgence or a surgeons of people that like the

1723
01:33:33,400 --> 01:33:37,320
Speaker 1: a K, now especially likely with Rady Man. You know, um,

1724
01:33:37,400 --> 01:33:40,080
Speaker 1: we see this. We get a lot of preppers and

1725
01:33:40,120 --> 01:33:43,519
Speaker 1: survivalists and emergency preparedness and a lot of the farms community,

1726
01:33:43,960 --> 01:33:47,320
Speaker 1: and we've seen this, you know, surgeons of people that

1727
01:33:47,360 --> 01:33:50,479
Speaker 1: are interested in the a K. And it's growing, um

1728
01:33:50,600 --> 01:33:53,160
Speaker 1: where people are interested in the system. And so it's

1729
01:33:53,200 --> 01:33:55,840
Speaker 1: not as you know, it's not as an achy you know,

1730
01:33:56,040 --> 01:33:59,080
Speaker 1: former comblock rifle that it used to be prior to

1731
01:33:59,160 --> 01:34:02,000
Speaker 1: the war and so and so I think that's good

1732
01:34:02,080 --> 01:34:06,120
Speaker 1: because ultimately, ultimately I want people to try out the

1733
01:34:06,200 --> 01:34:09,720
Speaker 1: a K. To open up their paradigms so that they

1734
01:34:09,720 --> 01:34:12,880
Speaker 1: can go, oh, you know what, the cig. You know,

1735
01:34:12,880 --> 01:34:15,600
Speaker 1: maybe the CIG is a great riffle because it's incorporating

1736
01:34:15,680 --> 01:34:18,240
Speaker 1: some of these aspects of the riffle of the a K,

1737
01:34:19,040 --> 01:34:22,080
Speaker 1: but the ergonomics of of the in four platform, or

1738
01:34:22,120 --> 01:34:25,080
Speaker 1: like the Robinson XCR, which I'm a big fan of,

1739
01:34:25,880 --> 01:34:29,879
Speaker 1: Like the Robinson you know, that's like this true mashing.

1740
01:34:30,040 --> 01:34:33,160
Speaker 1: If you the XDR looks like an INFO on the outside,

1741
01:34:33,160 --> 01:34:34,920
Speaker 1: but you take it apart, it's gets or an a K,

1742
01:34:35,640 --> 01:34:38,519
Speaker 1: which is what I find really cool, the way that

1743
01:34:38,640 --> 01:34:43,280
Speaker 1: Alex Robinson put that together. But and that's that's all

1744
01:34:43,280 --> 01:34:45,479
Speaker 1: I'm pushing for, is like, hey, let's let's open up

1745
01:34:45,520 --> 01:34:48,439
Speaker 1: the discussion so that we can continue to get better,

1746
01:34:48,439 --> 01:34:51,200
Speaker 1: so that we can evolve and get better and better.

1747
01:34:51,479 --> 01:34:55,599
Speaker 1: That's really what such few Americans apart from everybody else. Yeah,

1748
01:34:55,640 --> 01:34:58,000
Speaker 1: and we've been having a hell of a time because

1749
01:34:58,120 --> 01:35:01,000
Speaker 1: it's really because our act was issition process is just

1750
01:35:01,080 --> 01:35:04,760
Speaker 1: completely broken, and fielding new pistols and new rifles in

1751
01:35:04,800 --> 01:35:08,599
Speaker 1: the US military, it's like just disgusting. All Right. You remember,

1752
01:35:08,840 --> 01:35:10,920
Speaker 1: like a year ago when they were talking about getting

1753
01:35:11,200 --> 01:35:13,760
Speaker 1: giving every soldier a side arm and they quoted the

1754
01:35:13,800 --> 01:35:17,280
Speaker 1: Pentagon like some astronomical number in general was like, I

1755
01:35:17,320 --> 01:35:19,800
Speaker 1: can go down to Cabella's and and get this for

1756
01:35:19,920 --> 01:35:25,200
Speaker 1: like one percent of the quote you're giving me. Yeah,

1757
01:35:25,240 --> 01:35:28,720
Speaker 1: well it's it's uncle sugar, right, everybody. Everybody wants to

1758
01:35:28,800 --> 01:35:31,960
Speaker 1: pound of sugar. Yeah, you know, the price goes up,

1759
01:35:32,160 --> 01:35:35,840
Speaker 1: and so yeah, absolutely, you know. But then there's also

1760
01:35:37,320 --> 01:35:39,680
Speaker 1: you know, there's chrony capitalism and all that. You talk

1761
01:35:39,760 --> 01:35:41,559
Speaker 1: about that in your in your book a little bit

1762
01:35:41,640 --> 01:35:44,320
Speaker 1: and touch on a little bit. It's it's like, oh,

1763
01:35:44,520 --> 01:35:48,360
Speaker 1: the curement process, isn't an interesting that this guy it

1764
01:35:48,479 --> 01:35:50,600
Speaker 1: was in the process, and now he's working for the

1765
01:35:50,680 --> 01:35:53,479
Speaker 1: company that you know, and if and if if the

1766
01:35:53,640 --> 01:35:56,000
Speaker 1: OS do it, it's okay, But if the US do it,

1767
01:35:56,040 --> 01:36:00,320
Speaker 1: then you dick and oh yeah, the dude who they

1768
01:36:00,360 --> 01:36:02,680
Speaker 1: work on the in the FORCET mod shop for their

1769
01:36:02,760 --> 01:36:05,320
Speaker 1: unit and then they end up working at the company

1770
01:36:05,400 --> 01:36:08,880
Speaker 1: that they previously bought stuff from for the military. It's like,

1771
01:36:10,200 --> 01:36:12,679
Speaker 1: there's no corruption in the military. Jeff, come on, man,

1772
01:36:13,280 --> 01:36:16,200
Speaker 1: It's like j Edgar Hoover saying that the mafia doesn't exist.

1773
01:36:16,360 --> 01:36:20,519
Speaker 1: It's a myth man. Yeah, yeah, And and What a

1774
01:36:20,600 --> 01:36:25,799
Speaker 1: statement coming from the guy who controlled the the FBI,

1775
01:36:25,960 --> 01:36:28,640
Speaker 1: which was a secret essentially the secret police of the

1776
01:36:28,680 --> 01:36:31,519
Speaker 1: United States. You control them for like what is the

1777
01:36:31,520 --> 01:36:36,960
Speaker 1: administrator for like forty years something. Yeah. Yeah, there's no

1778
01:36:37,000 --> 01:36:40,799
Speaker 1: shenani ifs doing. No there no corruption in the military.

1779
01:36:40,840 --> 01:36:43,759
Speaker 1: Come on. Corruption is for other countries. Other countries have corruption,

1780
01:36:43,800 --> 01:36:46,280
Speaker 1: not not here in the good old US of A. Well,

1781
01:36:46,479 --> 01:36:49,639
Speaker 1: I think it's the human condition, right anyway, you have humans,

1782
01:36:49,680 --> 01:36:54,000
Speaker 1: you're going to have You're gonna have some Shenanigans. You are,

1783
01:36:54,320 --> 01:36:58,200
Speaker 1: I mean, you are, well, man, this has been fun.

1784
01:36:58,360 --> 01:37:01,320
Speaker 1: I uh. I kind of put the eight Team Bravo

1785
01:37:01,439 --> 01:37:03,599
Speaker 1: Jack Murphy. I kind of put him in the closet

1786
01:37:03,640 --> 01:37:06,479
Speaker 1: and forgot about him for a while because I don't

1787
01:37:06,520 --> 01:37:09,559
Speaker 1: really mess with guns so much. I used to eat, sleep,

1788
01:37:09,600 --> 01:37:11,120
Speaker 1: and breathe this stuff, but I kind of put it

1789
01:37:11,200 --> 01:37:13,080
Speaker 1: behind me. So it's really fun actually to go back

1790
01:37:13,120 --> 01:37:18,559
Speaker 1: and revisit all this. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, I mean, the

1791
01:37:18,560 --> 01:37:21,920
Speaker 1: the A Team Bravo, I mean is I think it's

1792
01:37:22,040 --> 01:37:24,599
Speaker 1: out of all the moss and the military, A Team

1793
01:37:24,640 --> 01:37:28,920
Speaker 1: Bravo's got to be the funnest open to so much

1794
01:37:29,080 --> 01:37:34,160
Speaker 1: different stuff that I'll have to like next time you

1795
01:37:34,200 --> 01:37:35,639
Speaker 1: have me on the show, to remind me and I'll

1796
01:37:35,640 --> 01:37:43,200
Speaker 1: tell you my mortar story. Okay, all right, that's a

1797
01:37:43,320 --> 01:37:46,800
Speaker 1: that's a good eight Team Bravos story. But yeah, it's

1798
01:37:47,160 --> 01:37:50,680
Speaker 1: I think it is by far the funniest, most interesting

1799
01:37:51,200 --> 01:37:54,240
Speaker 1: military occupational specialty you can have in the military. Do

1800
01:37:54,320 --> 01:37:56,719
Speaker 1: you ever see that? It's like a blog post somewhere

1801
01:37:56,760 --> 01:37:59,160
Speaker 1: and it's about how the O d A supports the

1802
01:37:59,200 --> 01:38:01,320
Speaker 1: eight Team Bravo. It's like, like the O d as

1803
01:38:01,400 --> 01:38:05,040
Speaker 1: entire job is to support the eight Team Bravo. No,

1804
01:38:05,160 --> 01:38:06,840
Speaker 1: I'd love to see I'll have to I'll have to

1805
01:38:06,880 --> 01:38:09,600
Speaker 1: pull it up. It's it's a tongue in cheek, you know, humorous,

1806
01:38:10,080 --> 01:38:14,080
Speaker 1: humorous article written about the the A Team Bravo MS.

1807
01:38:14,400 --> 01:38:17,280
Speaker 1: But it's really funny. But I mean, yeah, I got

1808
01:38:17,320 --> 01:38:20,439
Speaker 1: to be, you know, the senior A Team Bravo on

1809
01:38:20,560 --> 01:38:22,040
Speaker 1: my O d A. And it's like, man, that's like

1810
01:38:22,080 --> 01:38:25,320
Speaker 1: the best job in the army. It is. It is

1811
01:38:25,360 --> 01:38:29,120
Speaker 1: like when I went to first group. Um, there was

1812
01:38:29,240 --> 01:38:31,320
Speaker 1: you know this first group in the nineties. I was

1813
01:38:31,360 --> 01:38:34,720
Speaker 1: an E five when I showed up to group, and um,

1814
01:38:35,360 --> 01:38:39,760
Speaker 1: I was the only Bravo on the team. So you know,

1815
01:38:39,800 --> 01:38:41,600
Speaker 1: and it was a lot of hard work, but and

1816
01:38:41,720 --> 01:38:45,320
Speaker 1: I had a blast. The only downside to be in

1817
01:38:45,360 --> 01:38:48,800
Speaker 1: the A team Bravo, is like the other specialties on

1818
01:38:48,840 --> 01:38:51,160
Speaker 1: the team, you know, the medic, the engineer, that the

1819
01:38:51,320 --> 01:38:54,519
Speaker 1: communications sergeant. Like, no one is going to pretend they

1820
01:38:54,560 --> 01:38:58,240
Speaker 1: know more about radios than the communications sergeant. No one's

1821
01:38:58,280 --> 01:39:01,679
Speaker 1: gonna pretend they know more about combat than the medic.

1822
01:39:02,600 --> 01:39:05,559
Speaker 1: You know, but everybody on that O. D A. Thinks

1823
01:39:05,600 --> 01:39:08,080
Speaker 1: they know more about guns than you for some reason.

1824
01:39:08,400 --> 01:39:10,120
Speaker 1: Like they get up to the range, they see a

1825
01:39:10,120 --> 01:39:12,559
Speaker 1: gun that they've never fucked with before, they think they

1826
01:39:12,560 --> 01:39:15,080
Speaker 1: know how it works. Like they wouldn't go up to

1827
01:39:15,080 --> 01:39:17,479
Speaker 1: a radio they've never seen before and think they know

1828
01:39:17,520 --> 01:39:19,240
Speaker 1: how it works, But they think they know how that

1829
01:39:19,280 --> 01:39:23,559
Speaker 1: gun works. These are the in the same guy had

1830
01:39:23,560 --> 01:39:26,559
Speaker 1: a medic on one of my teams and and I

1831
01:39:26,680 --> 01:39:28,200
Speaker 1: walked out of the room and I came back in

1832
01:39:28,439 --> 01:39:30,920
Speaker 1: and he had a hammer in his hand, like a

1833
01:39:30,960 --> 01:39:33,960
Speaker 1: ball team hammer, and he was taking a part to

1834
01:39:34,040 --> 01:39:38,280
Speaker 1: fifty cow and he was getting ready to start smacking

1835
01:39:38,360 --> 01:39:41,639
Speaker 1: on the back and was like, what are you doing.

1836
01:39:41,720 --> 01:39:43,559
Speaker 1: He's like, Oh, it's just stuck a little bit. I

1837
01:39:43,600 --> 01:39:46,960
Speaker 1: needed tep on it. It's like, no, no, no, you

1838
01:39:47,000 --> 01:39:50,960
Speaker 1: don't need to do that. Mr. You can do my job,

1839
01:39:51,000 --> 01:39:53,960
Speaker 1: but I can't do years. Yeah, they start doing crazy

1840
01:39:54,000 --> 01:39:58,160
Speaker 1: stuff like oh stop stop, stop stop. But we're we're

1841
01:39:58,200 --> 01:40:01,600
Speaker 1: pretty bad too with our big rubber mat Let's um

1842
01:40:02,600 --> 01:40:04,600
Speaker 1: the stereotype. I think I wrote about that in the

1843
01:40:04,640 --> 01:40:06,560
Speaker 1: book to how we have the big rubber mallet and

1844
01:40:06,560 --> 01:40:08,479
Speaker 1: the eighteen Bravo course and you use it to pound

1845
01:40:08,560 --> 01:40:15,080
Speaker 1: the trigger plate off of the dishka. Yeah, it's fun times,

1846
01:40:15,360 --> 01:40:22,200
Speaker 1: fun times. I mean, you know, well, thank you for

1847
01:40:22,280 --> 01:40:24,280
Speaker 1: coming on the show again, Jeff. This has been fun,

1848
01:40:24,720 --> 01:40:26,680
Speaker 1: and uh, we'll do it. We'll have to do it

1849
01:40:26,720 --> 01:40:30,320
Speaker 1: again another time. We'll tell some more eighteen Bravo stories

1850
01:40:30,400 --> 01:40:32,559
Speaker 1: because I can tell we could go on for hours

1851
01:40:32,560 --> 01:40:36,400
Speaker 1: and hours here. Oh yeah, oh yeah, there reminds me

1852
01:40:38,120 --> 01:40:40,240
Speaker 1: is a good one. So okay, well we'll say we'll

1853
01:40:40,280 --> 01:40:43,360
Speaker 1: save that for next time. I think you'll appreciate it.

1854
01:40:44,320 --> 01:40:47,920
Speaker 1: That sounds awesome, all right, man, thanks again, Jeff. Uh,

1855
01:40:48,280 --> 01:40:51,800
Speaker 1: when we will, I'll stay in touch all right for sure,

1856
01:40:51,920 --> 01:40:53,599
Speaker 1: for sure. And you need anything at all, I mean,

1857
01:40:53,640 --> 01:40:55,960
Speaker 1: you got my you got my contact tempo hit you

1858
01:40:56,040 --> 01:40:58,519
Speaker 1: up anytime, all right, right, on, man, have a good

1859
01:40:58,600 --> 01:41:05,040
Speaker 1: day YouTube teacher? All right later, Man, that was Jeff Kirkham.

1860
01:41:05,080 --> 01:41:09,760
Speaker 1: I'm curious to see. Um. I wanted to give him

1861
01:41:09,800 --> 01:41:12,240
Speaker 1: a proper intro, obviously, but he came on and he

1862
01:41:12,320 --> 01:41:16,080
Speaker 1: just right off the bat wanted to talk, so didn't

1863
01:41:16,120 --> 01:41:18,880
Speaker 1: get a chance to do that. But the man is

1864
01:41:18,880 --> 01:41:23,800
Speaker 1: passionate about his a K forty seven, that's for sure. Yeah, Jeff. Um,

1865
01:41:23,800 --> 01:41:25,599
Speaker 1: trying to think how to phrase this. I don't want

1866
01:41:25,600 --> 01:41:27,559
Speaker 1: to put any words in his mouth, but Jeff was

1867
01:41:27,800 --> 01:41:30,640
Speaker 1: obviously in Special Forces and then he worked for the

1868
01:41:30,720 --> 01:41:34,280
Speaker 1: d A and then he worked as a paramilitary contractor

1869
01:41:34,320 --> 01:41:38,000
Speaker 1: after that. Um, and we you can go check out

1870
01:41:38,000 --> 01:41:40,920
Speaker 1: the previous podcast we did with him and he gets

1871
01:41:40,920 --> 01:41:44,439
Speaker 1: into it a little bit, episode four on the Spot,

1872
01:41:44,560 --> 01:41:46,800
Speaker 1: Johnny on the Spot. There, Dennis, I wanted to do

1873
01:41:46,840 --> 01:41:49,680
Speaker 1: my research. Johnny on the Spot could work well, so

1874
01:41:49,680 --> 01:41:51,680
Speaker 1: a least I can do if I was going to

1875
01:41:51,760 --> 01:41:54,479
Speaker 1: enjoy you guys talking about guns for that long. Did

1876
01:41:54,520 --> 01:41:56,680
Speaker 1: you enjoy it though, Dennis? I mean, I don't know

1877
01:41:56,720 --> 01:41:59,040
Speaker 1: what the ins and outs like you do, but this

1878
01:41:59,120 --> 01:42:01,240
Speaker 1: is gunn nerds stuff like you really have to be

1879
01:42:01,280 --> 01:42:04,599
Speaker 1: into it. But I'm a fan of anyone that's passionate

1880
01:42:04,640 --> 01:42:07,800
Speaker 1: about anything. And obviously Jeff very much for him to

1881
01:42:07,840 --> 01:42:10,559
Speaker 1: just be like, you know what, the M sixteen. Thanks,

1882
01:42:10,920 --> 01:42:13,400
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with this one. And it's like, well,

1883
01:42:13,560 --> 01:42:15,519
Speaker 1: that's the comic gun. He's like, yeah, but guys, give

1884
01:42:15,560 --> 01:42:18,520
Speaker 1: it a shot. Don't knock it till you try it.

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Speaker 1: It's true. Um, And he wrote that article um talking

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Speaker 1: about the things about the M sixteen that are problematic

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Speaker 1: and like people just went ape shit over that. It's

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Speaker 1: it was like you had slapped their wife in the

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Speaker 1: face or something like by the kind of reactions, like

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Speaker 1: emotional reactions you got. And I don't know much about

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Speaker 1: and you guys had mentioned this in the interview, was like,

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Speaker 1: that's the one, Like my gun is the right gun.

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Speaker 1: Whatever you say, you're an idiot. Yeah, I don't care.

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Speaker 1: I'll pick up a dusty oozy on the battlefield and

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Speaker 1: that if that's what you get. Yeah, yeah, whatever's in

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Speaker 1: you know, whatever you can get your hands on. UM.

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Speaker 1: Great interview by Jeff. As always, he very very passionate,

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Speaker 1: very insightful, and it was nice to see you guys

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Speaker 1: Those are all the reads. Jeff spoke at length. I

1948
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Speaker 1: don't really have much else to say. I know you're

1949
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Speaker 1: Would you like to speak about what you're doing this

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Speaker 1: weekend at all? Quickly? Yeah? Sure. I'm gonna be speaking

1951
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Speaker 1: at the Special Forces Association meeting UH out in California,

1952
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Speaker 1: just giving a speech, talking about a few things. Um

1953
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1954
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Speaker 1: So I'll be doing that, and then my daughter and

1955
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Speaker 1: I will be going to see World afterwards. Do you

1956
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Speaker 1: want to say anything, Princess, I don't know. That's not

1957
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Speaker 1: what when you have an you've got to say something good. No, well,

1958
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Speaker 1: at least you're going to see world. At least tell

1959
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Speaker 1: tell the listeners what what animals you're looking forward to seeing?

1960
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Speaker 1: Sex you have? Do you have a particular shark in

1961
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Speaker 1: uh in mind? No? Great White? Yeah, good choice. I

1962
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Speaker 1: don't think they have the Great White there, but the

1963
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Speaker 1: Great White is pretty cool. There's no question about that.

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Speaker 1: That's the Terranosaurus Rex of sharks. Well, I want to

1965
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Speaker 1: see t Rex too, but until Jurassic Park is real

1966
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Speaker 1: or they build time machines. Yeah, we're gonna have to

1967
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Speaker 1: hold off on that one. But no, congratulations to you.

1968
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Speaker 1: That's I'm sure that'll be a great honor to speak.

1969
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Speaker 1: She's holding her doll and the cat up to the microphone.

1970
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Speaker 1: They can come. I don't know how to follow that up.

1971
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Speaker 1: That's uh, there is no there is nothing to follow

1972
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Speaker 1: up this this Uh, this episode has a K forty

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Speaker 1: sevens and gritty war in Afghanistan and American girl dolls,

1974
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Speaker 1: and we'll wrap with with kittens and dolls. Uh, next episode.

1975
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Speaker 1: Who do we have that guy from the Diplomatic Security Service, Sir.

1976
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Speaker 1: His name is Cody Perran. He's a former marine as well.

1977
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Speaker 1: DSS guy. First DSS dude we've had on the show,

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Speaker 1: I believe. So that's cool, Okay, he was he's excited

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Speaker 1: to come out. I haven't met somebody that's like been reluctantly.

1980
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Speaker 1: Oh you know what, I guess we'll do. Everybody's been

1981
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Speaker 1: like yeah, man, I'm love to talk, like really appreciate

1982
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Speaker 1: the platform. Really, you know, Jack Murphy. Really not yet.

1983
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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm waiting for the guy who's like Jack

1984
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Speaker 1: that I don't want to your daughter here, but you

1985
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Speaker 1: can fill in the blank. I haven't. I haven't come

1986
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Speaker 1: across that yet. But when I do, I'm gonna defend you.

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Speaker 1: Don't worry. It's okay. If you can throw you can

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Speaker 1: drag my name through the mud. What I mean, what

1989
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Speaker 1: else can be said at this point? You know, I

1990
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Speaker 1: mean nothing yet. I haven't. I haven't came across any

1991
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Speaker 1: negative criticism of you, nor would I want to. It's

1992
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Speaker 1: all good, It's all good. Um, I'm excited for the

1993
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Speaker 1: next episode. I think we have some really good guests

1994
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Speaker 1: lined up, and I'm lining up several more also on

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Speaker 1: my end. Yeah, I mean we're sending our emails constantly

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Speaker 1: which is awesome. I like the ones, the really one

2000
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Speaker 1: they've only spoken to like three other people about this.

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Speaker 1: If ever, Yeah, it's it's just some unique stuff. Um,

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Speaker 1: but we'll and we'll keep pressing on that. So that

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Speaker 1: was episode four sixty three. Uh, please subscribe on any

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Speaker 1: for coming on as always. Uh, great conversation and we're

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Speaker 1: looking forward to having Cody on next episode Murphy's Law.

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Speaker 1: Hy Grab the book. Grab grab the book, Grab the

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Speaker 1: did it take you to do the audio? Um? I

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