1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,680 Speaker 1: Hello, Texans said, welcome to the program. Mark Vanagamer with 2 00:00:03,720 --> 00:00:08,160 Speaker 1: you with John Harris Friday night. Just got paid. I'm 3 00:00:08,200 --> 00:00:10,479 Speaker 1: not going to sing the song from the nineties. It's 4 00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:14,200 Speaker 1: so old now. Oh my gosh, is that old anyway? 5 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:17,119 Speaker 1: Great to have you with us, Johnny. Great to be 6 00:00:17,280 --> 00:00:19,759 Speaker 1: with you once again here on Texans All Access. And 7 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:21,160 Speaker 1: we got a lot to go over tonight. It's kind 8 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:23,639 Speaker 1: of a fun Friday. There's lots to do. You're ready, 9 00:00:23,680 --> 00:00:26,599 Speaker 1: my friend. You know when you said the nineties were 10 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:32,000 Speaker 1: so long ago, they were I'm Mike, Wow, it didn't 11 00:00:32,080 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 1: hit me. We we had a department function the other 12 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:40,320 Speaker 1: day and we've we've hired a young lady by name 13 00:00:40,360 --> 00:00:42,680 Speaker 1: of Lauren Walker, who is going to be fantastic help 14 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:46,800 Speaker 1: us with our social media part which has become so big. 15 00:00:47,120 --> 00:00:50,760 Speaker 1: I mean ten years ago. That wasn't even thought anybody's 16 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:52,760 Speaker 1: mind to bring on somebody that would, you know, handle 17 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:56,120 Speaker 1: social media for us. But she came out. We were 18 00:00:56,200 --> 00:00:58,800 Speaker 1: kind of having a little side conversation about age and 19 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:00,840 Speaker 1: things like that, and I said, hey, why this, I 20 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:04,920 Speaker 1: said Lauren, I said, how old are you? And in essence, 21 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:09,800 Speaker 1: Lauren was two years older than my son, not even 22 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:12,959 Speaker 1: two years older than my son, and they'll kind of 23 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:18,160 Speaker 1: looked at me and they were like, whoa, Johnny, you're old. Yeah, 24 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:23,240 Speaker 1: pretty much, pretty much. But but young in spirit, and 25 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:27,400 Speaker 1: that is important. That's young in spirit. That's fine. And 26 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:29,640 Speaker 1: it goes the other way. If you're in your thirties, 27 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:34,840 Speaker 1: but you know, you're like Fred Sandford, grouching about everything, 28 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:37,560 Speaker 1: grousing about everything, and then you're old in spirit. I 29 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:39,039 Speaker 1: don't want to be around you. But if you're young 30 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 1: in spirit, that's good. That's fine. That's what I am. 31 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:45,360 Speaker 1: I felt physically older and more beaten down at thirty 32 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 1: five than I do now, considerably older by the way now. 33 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:51,640 Speaker 1: So everyone's lives are different, and I get it. But 34 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 1: one thing about the nineties here I told you us. 35 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 1: Listening to this Quentin Tarantino podcast with Joe Rogan, he 36 00:01:56,280 --> 00:01:58,800 Speaker 1: brought up an interesting point about the nineties, because that's 37 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:01,919 Speaker 1: what pulp fiction was, reservoir dogs at all. His cool 38 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:04,400 Speaker 1: movies came out that Jackie Brown, which I loved, But 39 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:07,760 Speaker 1: he said the nineties were kind of like another seventies, 40 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:10,440 Speaker 1: and I never thought of the nineties that way, but 41 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 1: he's sort of right. It was kind of wild kind 42 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:17,320 Speaker 1: of coming out of this eighties, really conservative decade. So 43 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:19,720 Speaker 1: it's like the opposite of the seventies in that way, 44 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:22,079 Speaker 1: coming out of the sixties. But it was this sort 45 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:24,919 Speaker 1: of let loose thing, and the seventies were let loose decade, 46 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 1: and you had some economic hardship earlier part of the 47 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 1: decade than you have the Internet boom, but you had 48 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:34,800 Speaker 1: a lot of interesting creativity stuff going on musically in 49 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:37,680 Speaker 1: the movies and otherwise. I thought there was any theory. 50 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:40,240 Speaker 1: And we are where we are now in the twenties. 51 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:42,880 Speaker 1: We're in there, the Roaring twenties. Here we are, John, 52 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:45,640 Speaker 1: and we're gonna roar tonight. All right. The first thing 53 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 1: I wanted to get to this last night, and this 54 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:52,560 Speaker 1: is Texans related, because it got me watching a Texans 55 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:54,960 Speaker 1: game tape from last year, which I don't really do. 56 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:57,000 Speaker 1: You do a ton of this stuff. You go back 57 00:02:57,000 --> 00:03:01,359 Speaker 1: and watch the entire season, evaluate things where it all 58 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:04,720 Speaker 1: went wrong, where it went right, whatever. But on Pro 59 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:07,000 Speaker 1: Football Talk dot Com, they brought up the issue of 60 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:11,560 Speaker 1: Ben Roethlisberger's tells, which I guess was a Doug Farrar story. Yeah, 61 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 1: originally it was. It was originally now going even further back. 62 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 1: It was okay, it was a poster and not not 63 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:21,640 Speaker 1: like poster hand on the wall, but it was somewhat 64 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:25,680 Speaker 1: someone who posted, I want to say, like on TikTok 65 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:29,240 Speaker 1: or something like that. Farrar happened to see it. He 66 00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 1: then went and tried to test the theory and thought 67 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 1: that he was right about it. And as soon as 68 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 1: I saw it, I was like, ah, yeah, guys, no, yeah, no, 69 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 1: he's not right about it. That that Roethlisberger when he's 70 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 1: in the shotgun, and he's in the shotgun a ton 71 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 1: one of the most often shotgun snap taking quarterbacks in 72 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:54,760 Speaker 1: the league. Now, apparently, according to the story, when he's 73 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:57,720 Speaker 1: about to throw, his left foot is up, it's kind 74 00:03:57,720 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 1: of in the upright position. The heel is off the ground. 75 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:02,480 Speaker 1: In other words, when he's going to hand off the 76 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 1: heels on the ground. Well, I just said, well, let 77 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:06,400 Speaker 1: we played the Steelers last year. Let me go back 78 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 1: and look at that. And I looked at the fourth 79 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:10,800 Speaker 1: quarter because I remember the Texans had the lead in 80 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:13,600 Speaker 1: the fourth quarter, so I also wanted to see what 81 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 1: went wrong in this game wrong against the Steelers on 82 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:19,719 Speaker 1: the road, and it was so weird. It's freaky. You 83 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:21,680 Speaker 1: see the empty stands, and you were there, and I 84 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:24,880 Speaker 1: was calling the game off monitors here at NRG Stadium 85 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:26,760 Speaker 1: with Andre and that was the first time we did 86 00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:29,560 Speaker 1: that and actually worked out pretty well from a broadcast perspective. 87 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:32,520 Speaker 1: But anyway, Roethlisberger's heels on the ground, I mean it's 88 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 1: on the ground when he's throwing. Now it comes up 89 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:37,560 Speaker 1: a little bit when he takes the snap, but it 90 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 1: kind of does that too when he hands off. And 91 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 1: if you can see the split second that the heel 92 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:44,719 Speaker 1: might be up a little bit more when he's about 93 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:47,760 Speaker 1: to pass, if you're looking for that, you're dead already 94 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 1: as a defender, Am I writer? Am I right? Right? 95 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:52,479 Speaker 1: I mean that's not like I'm giving a giving it 96 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 1: away with a full second or two where you can 97 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:57,440 Speaker 1: actually react to that. You cannot react to his heel. 98 00:04:57,440 --> 00:05:00,640 Speaker 1: You gotta react by the time you process the information 99 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:02,640 Speaker 1: of what the heel is doing, the ball is either 100 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:06,720 Speaker 1: handed off or throne and you're dead correct correct this. 101 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 1: I saw this story. I didn't even I didn't even 102 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:13,560 Speaker 1: follow up. I think one of the things you know 103 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:16,400 Speaker 1: in coaching over the years, you know, Belichick tells a 104 00:05:16,520 --> 00:05:20,200 Speaker 1: really he tells a great story actually about Orlando Brown 105 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 1: senior Zeus Big Zeus and I can't remember. I think 106 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:28,400 Speaker 1: it was, oh three or four, one of the good 107 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:34,240 Speaker 1: Patriots teams, and Zeus said played for Belichick. Well, Belichick 108 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:37,720 Speaker 1: was with the Browns, and so they felt like they 109 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:42,600 Speaker 1: had to tell on Zeus and they were really excited, 110 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:48,359 Speaker 1: were like, this was the most obvious tell ever. We 111 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:50,800 Speaker 1: had it down. There was a difference between running past 112 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:53,320 Speaker 1: it was going to be perfect, and then Zeus wasn't 113 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:55,599 Speaker 1: active for the game, and Belichick said he was like, oh, 114 00:05:57,040 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 1: but that was back in the early two thousands. I 115 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:05,880 Speaker 1: can't imagine with all of the scrutiny that is placed 116 00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:10,920 Speaker 1: by coaches in the NFL, by quality control coaches, by 117 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:16,160 Speaker 1: defensive assistance, by offensive assistance, that any one gets away 118 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:22,440 Speaker 1: where they tell for seventeen years. No way, no way, 119 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 1: not buying it. I'm absolutely not buy it. Here's the 120 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:29,120 Speaker 1: flip side of that. If you have a tell like 121 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:33,480 Speaker 1: that on somebody, not to say that, not to say 122 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:38,040 Speaker 1: that guys don't have them, but for a major player 123 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:44,160 Speaker 1: like Ben Roethlisberger to have one, you gotta know that 124 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:48,559 Speaker 1: you would think it's something that someone would have picked 125 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:51,719 Speaker 1: up on in the league, and they would have been 126 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:53,840 Speaker 1: talking about it somebody. It would have gotten out way 127 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:57,680 Speaker 1: before this, definitely way before this. Now, if you do 128 00:06:57,839 --> 00:07:00,560 Speaker 1: find a tell or you have one as a team, 129 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:03,800 Speaker 1: you don't say anything about it on the field. You 130 00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:05,960 Speaker 1: talk about in the meeting rooms, you discuss it, and 131 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:08,840 Speaker 1: when you get out to the field, you don't say anything. 132 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:11,480 Speaker 1: You just get everybody in the same page that you 133 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:13,840 Speaker 1: gotta expect it, everybody, because as soon as you go, well, 134 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 1: there it is, there is you point out Also the 135 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:18,040 Speaker 1: guy's like, wait, what am I doing? You don't say 136 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:20,520 Speaker 1: anything about it, but if you have, but if enough 137 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 1: teams know about it, man, it's gonna leak out there 138 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:24,960 Speaker 1: in the media, it's gonna get out there. And for 139 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:28,440 Speaker 1: seventeen years, no way. I didn't buy a story when 140 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 1: I saw it. I thought it was absolute nonsense. Completely, 141 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:38,040 Speaker 1: And at that point, if I'm ben out of totally 142 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:41,360 Speaker 1: kind of played into it, actually out of played into it, 143 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:43,760 Speaker 1: like oh you're expecting this, Well here you go. I 144 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:50,280 Speaker 1: saw a NFL I think it's called NFL Throwback is 145 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:53,160 Speaker 1: the actual title of it, that does some stuff for 146 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 1: NFL films that I think the NFL Throwback is actual 147 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:58,080 Speaker 1: Twitter title. And they were doing a thing on Dwight Freeney, 148 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:01,760 Speaker 1: like twelve minutes, like a a thing in his career. Man, 149 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:03,840 Speaker 1: he was so good. I mean, I know, we know that, 150 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 1: we've seen it. You saw it close two times a year. Man. 151 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:11,360 Speaker 1: He was unbelievable. But he said something at the very end. 152 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:15,160 Speaker 1: They showed one of his final highlights and he said, 153 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 1: I spun twice, and I didn't understand what he meant. 154 00:08:18,840 --> 00:08:20,240 Speaker 1: I was like, did he spin it? And he said no, 155 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:23,040 Speaker 1: he spun on one play and then he spun on 156 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:26,360 Speaker 1: the next one and he said, I never did that 157 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:32,160 Speaker 1: in my career. I never spun twice because guys were 158 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 1: looking for it, so I had to kind of pick 159 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:36,760 Speaker 1: and choose my spots. And he said this one time, 160 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:38,800 Speaker 1: and it was nearing the end of his career, he 161 00:08:38,920 --> 00:08:41,640 Speaker 1: decided to do it twice. He did it once and 162 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:44,440 Speaker 1: he almost got there, and he did it a second 163 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 1: time and the guy was not expecting and he spun 164 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:48,079 Speaker 1: back inside. He ended up getting a key sack tit 165 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 1: to end the game. The point with all that is 166 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 1: you're The ability to change things up and do things 167 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:58,839 Speaker 1: differently is something players go through all the time. And 168 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:03,160 Speaker 1: I guarantee you somebody smart enough that if Ben would 169 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:05,959 Speaker 1: have been doing that, he said Mark Whipple as a coach, 170 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:09,559 Speaker 1: he had Bruce Arians as his offensive coordinator. There was 171 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:14,040 Speaker 1: no way in hades that that thing held up for 172 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:17,760 Speaker 1: seventeen years and some blogger on TikTok and Doug Farr 173 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:20,439 Speaker 1: found out about it. No way. Yeah, I thought this 174 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:24,320 Speaker 1: is This was fascinating. And I'll never forget McClane telling 175 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:28,719 Speaker 1: the story about the Oilers going to the Chargers in 176 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:31,480 Speaker 1: the nineteen seventy nine playoffs when everybody was injured and 177 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:34,840 Speaker 1: they picked off Fouts four times because he had a tell. 178 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:37,760 Speaker 1: They said, if his foot was angled out when he 179 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:39,480 Speaker 1: was taking this app and he never took the snap 180 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:42,439 Speaker 1: from shotgun, he was going to throw. If it was 181 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:47,240 Speaker 1: pointing straightforward, he was going to hand off. And I 182 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:49,440 Speaker 1: forget who said it along the D line, but they 183 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:52,640 Speaker 1: said army if he's gonna run it, and they said 184 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:54,959 Speaker 1: air force if he's gonna throw it, which after a 185 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:56,760 Speaker 1: while you would think Fouts would catch up. You know 186 00:09:56,840 --> 00:09:59,000 Speaker 1: when they say air force, I'm usually throwing it, you know, 187 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:02,679 Speaker 1: air for throwing it. But who knows how it all 188 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:05,240 Speaker 1: played out, which reminds me of another thing Johnny in 189 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:08,439 Speaker 1: flag football. When I'm coaching vander Kid and you could 190 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 1: send the extra pass rusher right when I want a blitz, 191 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:15,199 Speaker 1: I say the name of a football player. When the 192 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:17,920 Speaker 1: blitz is off, I say the name of a basketball player. 193 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 1: It's pretty obvious, like Lebron James, that means, don't blitz 194 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:25,640 Speaker 1: Peyton Manning. Although I've had to update my references because 195 00:10:25,679 --> 00:10:27,520 Speaker 1: these are little kids, like the eight year olds are 196 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:31,240 Speaker 1: like Peyton who Peyton Place. They don't even know anything 197 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:34,320 Speaker 1: about Peyton Manning except he's a guy maybe on TV. 198 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 1: They see in the commercials every once in a while. 199 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:39,880 Speaker 1: I don't know. I digress, but well, this is I mean, yeah, 200 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:42,120 Speaker 1: it's very much a thing, and it's it's funny because 201 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:45,880 Speaker 1: you know voice things, you know voice audibles as such. 202 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:49,000 Speaker 1: You get to a point where you don't know where 203 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:51,360 Speaker 1: you've heard him, but you've heard him before. I told them, 204 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:55,599 Speaker 1: I told the story of um. I was watching. I 205 00:10:55,760 --> 00:10:59,560 Speaker 1: was watching something before one of our games in twenty nineteen, 206 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:02,760 Speaker 1: I think it was twenty nineteen, and I was watching 207 00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:04,680 Speaker 1: I was watching one of those detail shows with Peyt 208 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:06,280 Speaker 1: Manning and Payton Manning goes through and he kind of 209 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:09,280 Speaker 1: explains the game in detail, and he mentioned he mentioned 210 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:12,760 Speaker 1: kind of a blocking scheme that a quarterback was kind 211 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:14,679 Speaker 1: of yelling out at what he was doing. Oh, I 212 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:16,600 Speaker 1: know what it was. It was before the Miami game 213 00:11:16,679 --> 00:11:19,040 Speaker 1: in twenty eighteen, because I saw Brock do it and 214 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:22,000 Speaker 1: he talked about Manning talked about, okay, you know, if 215 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:25,000 Speaker 1: a quarterback does this and he's doing kind of emotional 216 00:11:25,080 --> 00:11:28,199 Speaker 1: his hand like kind of stay out there, then that 217 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:31,880 Speaker 1: was typically a run play because he wanted that receiver 218 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:34,079 Speaker 1: to stay out of the mix and stay out that 219 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:36,840 Speaker 1: you weren't involved in the blocking scheme. So I saw 220 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:39,040 Speaker 1: Brock do that and I was like, oh, this is 221 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:41,720 Speaker 1: a run And he had three times and I picked 222 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:44,760 Speaker 1: up on it each time. But that thing changes. It's 223 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:47,040 Speaker 1: like the same thing with Payton Manning with omaha. You 224 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:50,320 Speaker 1: know what did omaha actually mean? And Pete was like, well, yeah, 225 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:51,800 Speaker 1: you know, it could have meant that, It could have 226 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:54,240 Speaker 1: been a bunch of other things. I always had voice 227 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:57,920 Speaker 1: commands for my team too, but it was a one 228 00:11:58,080 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 1: I knew it was a one time usage in a game. 229 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:05,480 Speaker 1: In a game because if you said it again, oh, 230 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:08,439 Speaker 1: they were gonna know. So I always knew I had 231 00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:10,920 Speaker 1: one voice command and he had one shot at it. 232 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:13,839 Speaker 1: And so we're playing our biggest rival. It's fourth and 233 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:15,760 Speaker 1: four and I decided to go for it, and I 234 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:20,360 Speaker 1: had a play called and my quarterback checks too. He 235 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:22,440 Speaker 1: basically was a check Sally, so he said the lines 236 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:25,920 Speaker 1: like Sally, Sally, check Sally, check Sally, and I didn't 237 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:29,120 Speaker 1: hear it. And my assistant coach comes running down and 238 00:12:29,640 --> 00:12:32,160 Speaker 1: basically that was a weak side toss and I hated 239 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:35,400 Speaker 1: weak side toss. And my assistant comes running down and 240 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:37,520 Speaker 1: he's like, he checks Sally. And I was like, I 241 00:12:37,640 --> 00:12:39,240 Speaker 1: just didn't miss a beat. And I was like, he 242 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:42,560 Speaker 1: better bleep ing be right, and he ran. We ran 243 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:44,360 Speaker 1: it for forty yards down to the three yard line. 244 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 1: He was right, trust your yes, you trust your players. 245 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:51,319 Speaker 1: But I also knew. I was like, okay, he used 246 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:53,839 Speaker 1: it and it was the only time we could use it, 247 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:55,400 Speaker 1: and it was in the first quarter, but we really 248 00:12:55,440 --> 00:12:57,079 Speaker 1: needed it, so I was okay with it. So you 249 00:12:57,160 --> 00:12:58,959 Speaker 1: can do different things like that, but he better be 250 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:02,640 Speaker 1: aware that teams are gonna pick up on that certain thing. 251 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:06,000 Speaker 1: And as far as foot down, foot up, those kind 252 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:07,880 Speaker 1: of things, licking your hands when it's a pack being, 253 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:10,719 Speaker 1: I guarantee along the way, if he was doing that, 254 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:14,319 Speaker 1: Ben probably picked up on it and he may have 255 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:17,280 Speaker 1: used it to his advantage at some point. But you 256 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:20,760 Speaker 1: mentioned that game last year, Mark, that was the most 257 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:25,760 Speaker 1: surreal game of all boys. And here's why we were 258 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:27,719 Speaker 1: there in twenty fourteen for the Monday night game. That 259 00:13:27,760 --> 00:13:29,960 Speaker 1: was the last time I've been at Pittsburgh twenty fourteen 260 00:13:30,040 --> 00:13:33,480 Speaker 1: Monday night game. And that was electric. That was an 261 00:13:33,559 --> 00:13:37,480 Speaker 1: electric I mean it was just seeing the towels and everything. 262 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:41,800 Speaker 1: That was my image of Hines Field. That was it. 263 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:46,200 Speaker 1: And you go in there and there's not a soul 264 00:13:47,160 --> 00:13:50,120 Speaker 1: and it's like a scrimmage and the only voice I 265 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:53,760 Speaker 1: hear is yours and Andrea and mine. I mean, that's it. 266 00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:57,559 Speaker 1: And I remember when they scored at the end, the 267 00:13:57,679 --> 00:14:00,880 Speaker 1: worst running game in the league, took our defense to school. Anyways, 268 00:14:01,520 --> 00:14:04,679 Speaker 1: James Conner scores, and all I remember hearing was just 269 00:14:05,800 --> 00:14:09,359 Speaker 1: the offensive coaches. Basically, that was it. On the sideline, 270 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:11,240 Speaker 1: just like yeah, you know, that was it. That was 271 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:15,240 Speaker 1: all You're just this muted like yell. It was the 272 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:19,680 Speaker 1: surreal moment because yeah, we I mean the Ravens game 273 00:14:19,720 --> 00:14:22,400 Speaker 1: at home was surreal, but we had been in there 274 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:25,080 Speaker 1: for a couple of scrimmages, yeah, and so we had 275 00:14:25,160 --> 00:14:29,240 Speaker 1: kind of experienced experience that at home. Kansas City had fans. 276 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:32,240 Speaker 1: The first time on the road where there were no fans, 277 00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:35,320 Speaker 1: and it was weird, especially when the last time we 278 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:37,560 Speaker 1: were in there it was such an electric Monday night 279 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:43,280 Speaker 1: atmosphere that was so bizarre. And then we just pe 280 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:46,120 Speaker 1: down our leg in the fourth quarters, just totally just 281 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:51,800 Speaker 1: blew it offense interception can't stop the run of nightmare. 282 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:55,320 Speaker 1: There's first and ten, Texans first and ten at the 283 00:14:55,440 --> 00:14:59,720 Speaker 1: Pittsburgh thirty eight yard line. Up what is it? Up one? 284 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:05,360 Speaker 1: Was it up one? Or up one? Up one? All right? 285 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:09,080 Speaker 1: Twenty one twenty So you're up one fourth quarter, first 286 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:10,760 Speaker 1: and ten at their thirty eight. You've got to get 287 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:13,280 Speaker 1: points right there. I mean, somebody need the big points. 288 00:15:13,400 --> 00:15:16,920 Speaker 1: But you'll take a field goal, just get a little closer, 289 00:15:17,280 --> 00:15:19,640 Speaker 1: give fairbear and a chance and they go backwards and 290 00:15:20,680 --> 00:15:23,120 Speaker 1: throw a bad pick and the look the pick and 291 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:24,920 Speaker 1: the punt was about the same thing at that point. 292 00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:27,880 Speaker 1: But man, those are frustrating to watch when you come 293 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:29,240 Speaker 1: back to him, all right, are you ready to play. 294 00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:32,600 Speaker 1: More likely to happen on a Friday. Oh, yes, I'm 295 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:35,160 Speaker 1: gonna do it right now. We're gonna do it right now, Johnny. 296 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:39,320 Speaker 1: It's more likely to happen and first up. This is 297 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:41,880 Speaker 1: the coach's edition, by the way of more likely to happen. 298 00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:47,400 Speaker 1: First out, for whatever reason, Urban Meyer or Matt Rule, 299 00:15:47,560 --> 00:15:51,920 Speaker 1: who is out of his job first, whether they step aside, 300 00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:56,360 Speaker 1: get fired, decide they no longer like this, It's no 301 00:15:56,480 --> 00:15:59,040 Speaker 1: longer there a cup of tea. Boy, I'm sounding real 302 00:15:59,160 --> 00:16:01,600 Speaker 1: urban Meyer when I tell like that. Yeah, but what 303 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:04,040 Speaker 1: do you think here? It does sound like urban Meyer. 304 00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:07,080 Speaker 1: I mean, Matt Rule's got a seven year contract now. 305 00:16:07,520 --> 00:16:09,160 Speaker 1: Dave Pepper isn't going to be one to sit on 306 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:12,800 Speaker 1: his hands if he doesn't feel like Matt Rule is 307 00:16:12,920 --> 00:16:15,320 Speaker 1: getting it done. But he also gave Matt Rule that 308 00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:18,680 Speaker 1: seven year deal because he knew it was going to 309 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:21,880 Speaker 1: take a little bit to get this thing going. I 310 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:25,800 Speaker 1: think Matt Rule is there a minimum five years If 311 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:28,800 Speaker 1: that thing in Jacksonville doesn't start to turn the corner 312 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:32,640 Speaker 1: in a very quick hurry, I don't think urban Meyer 313 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:35,920 Speaker 1: is going to be there very long at all. And 314 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:39,160 Speaker 1: I know that's seemingly the chalk in this discussion. But 315 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:44,480 Speaker 1: I just I've said this to a lot of people. 316 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:47,800 Speaker 1: I'll do radio interviews, I've do interviews with people that 317 00:16:47,920 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 1: I have you know, you should do college football interviews, 318 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:51,360 Speaker 1: and I'm doing, you know, talking about the NFL, and 319 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:53,520 Speaker 1: they're like, Hey, you know, what's what's the difference, what's 320 00:16:53,560 --> 00:16:56,840 Speaker 1: the difference, And I'm like, it's massive difference. Yes, it's 321 00:16:56,960 --> 00:17:00,480 Speaker 1: college and it's the NFL, and it's having guys on 322 00:17:00,520 --> 00:17:03,800 Speaker 1: the side. It looks similar at times, but man, it 323 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:08,240 Speaker 1: is a completely and totally different dynamic. So completely and 324 00:17:08,320 --> 00:17:10,840 Speaker 1: totally different, especially as a coach. I mean, you go 325 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:13,920 Speaker 1: from you know, being kind of the father figure for 326 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:19,080 Speaker 1: your team to essentially being, um, you know, an adult 327 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:21,080 Speaker 1: on their level. I mean you're you're an adult man 328 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:24,920 Speaker 1: with with kids. They're they're adult men with kids. You know, 329 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:29,000 Speaker 1: you're not the father figure, they're the father figure. Yeah. 330 00:17:29,119 --> 00:17:34,000 Speaker 1: So it's it's a completely different dynamic on all different levels. Um, 331 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:36,840 Speaker 1: and I think you've got to be really special to 332 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:40,080 Speaker 1: be able to succeed at both. Jibby Johnson was able 333 00:17:40,119 --> 00:17:43,520 Speaker 1: to do that. Nick Saban was not. UM. So it's 334 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:46,440 Speaker 1: it's a it's tough, and I think that Rban Mayer 335 00:17:46,520 --> 00:17:48,040 Speaker 1: is going to find that out that you don't have 336 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:51,760 Speaker 1: complete and total control of everything like you want. Those 337 00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:55,840 Speaker 1: are the guys that, to me, really really struggle. Um. 338 00:17:55,960 --> 00:17:57,760 Speaker 1: So we'll see what Urban does. But I think Urban 339 00:17:57,800 --> 00:18:00,720 Speaker 1: will be the first out before Matt rule. Plus seven 340 00:18:00,760 --> 00:18:03,040 Speaker 1: and ten for Jacksonville would be a really good year 341 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:05,560 Speaker 1: considering where they came from, you know, or a good 342 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:08,480 Speaker 1: year eight and nine would be a good year. He 343 00:18:09,080 --> 00:18:11,119 Speaker 1: is going to lose nine or ten games and be 344 00:18:11,240 --> 00:18:13,720 Speaker 1: okay with it. It's gonna be tough. So let's just 345 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:16,320 Speaker 1: see what happens there in North Florida, all right. Next up, 346 00:18:16,359 --> 00:18:20,680 Speaker 1: I'm more likely to happen another first out, first out 347 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:28,760 Speaker 1: Bill Belichick or Pete Carroll who steps aside first? All right? Carroll, 348 00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:31,639 Speaker 1: by the way, is what is he on? The all 349 00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:36,240 Speaker 1: time winner? Belichick is third. See Belichick I think is 350 00:18:36,359 --> 00:18:40,720 Speaker 1: chasing coach shul up right, the all time leader in 351 00:18:40,800 --> 00:18:44,320 Speaker 1: wins with three hundred twenty eight. Belichick has two eighty seven, 352 00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:47,640 Speaker 1: So what is that forty one behind him? So he's 353 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:51,040 Speaker 1: got a coach at least three years here to get him. 354 00:18:52,280 --> 00:18:54,959 Speaker 1: I think first out is Pete Carroll. First of all, 355 00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:58,200 Speaker 1: I think peach older. I believe I think peach older 356 00:18:58,760 --> 00:19:02,359 Speaker 1: than Belichick, which I think surprises a lot of people 357 00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:05,760 Speaker 1: because they see Pete's energy and he's bouncing around. I 358 00:19:06,359 --> 00:19:09,000 Speaker 1: didn't not to say that the six rings for Belichick 359 00:19:09,119 --> 00:19:11,920 Speaker 1: kind of will allow him to leave when he wants 360 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:17,080 Speaker 1: to leave. But in Seattle, you know, this offseason was 361 00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:22,560 Speaker 1: there was some there was some upheaval. In some sense, 362 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:25,680 Speaker 1: Pete's gonna have to change a little bit of his 363 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:28,879 Speaker 1: ways and really, let you know, a joke was, let 364 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:31,680 Speaker 1: Russ cook. He's really gonna have to let Russ cook. 365 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:35,359 Speaker 1: He's really gonna have to just back off a little bit. 366 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:38,720 Speaker 1: He has a certain philosophy and he's pretty strict in 367 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:41,639 Speaker 1: that philosophy. He's got to back off a little bit 368 00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:46,520 Speaker 1: and allow his guys, especially Russell Wilson, to kind of 369 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:48,439 Speaker 1: open up. I mean, he's got Tyler Locke, he's got 370 00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:52,159 Speaker 1: dk Metcalf. I know he wants to not turn the 371 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:54,679 Speaker 1: ball over, play good defense, like I get the way 372 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:56,359 Speaker 1: that Pete Carroll wants to play, and it's always a 373 00:19:56,440 --> 00:19:59,320 Speaker 1: successful formula. He's got one of the best quarterbacks in 374 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:02,520 Speaker 1: the league. He's got a let him expand the game, 375 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:05,960 Speaker 1: and I think Russell Wilson can expand his game even more. 376 00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:09,879 Speaker 1: But if he continues to hold on. The one thing 377 00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:12,600 Speaker 1: that Belichick I don't think it's enough credit for is 378 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:18,080 Speaker 1: he's more flexible in making just changes along the way, 379 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:20,040 Speaker 1: whether it's you know, deal with Cooten. I know that 380 00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:21,840 Speaker 1: the team didn't have a great season last year with 381 00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:25,240 Speaker 1: New England, but there were some things going on, like 382 00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:27,440 Speaker 1: he had a lot of guys opt out and he 383 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:31,120 Speaker 1: just rolled with it. They had I'm trying to remember 384 00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:34,280 Speaker 1: there was something else that happened and he was like, nope, 385 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:36,760 Speaker 1: we're shutting down so we could test everybody. There was 386 00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:39,520 Speaker 1: just a different mindset for Belichick. I think he's quicker 387 00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:43,400 Speaker 1: to adapt and change than Carroll is, and I think 388 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:45,280 Speaker 1: that can come back to bite Pete a little bit. 389 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:48,879 Speaker 1: So I'm gonna say first out is Pete Carroll. And 390 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:51,600 Speaker 1: I also think that the six championships for Belichick will 391 00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:53,840 Speaker 1: kind of allow him to do it when he wants 392 00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:56,719 Speaker 1: or when he needs to, And I don't see him 393 00:20:56,760 --> 00:20:59,520 Speaker 1: wanted to do that really anytime soon. This is what 394 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:03,159 Speaker 1: he does, what he loves, and I think he's going 395 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:04,879 Speaker 1: to continue to do it for as long as he 396 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:06,440 Speaker 1: can physically handle it, and I think he's gonna do 397 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:08,840 Speaker 1: that for a while. So I think Carol is first 398 00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:12,760 Speaker 1: out over Belichick. They're both sixty nine years old. Carol 399 00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:17,600 Speaker 1: turns seventy sooner. He'll turn seventy before week two, which 400 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:21,320 Speaker 1: is just amazing. He doesn't look it doesn't seem it, 401 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:25,280 Speaker 1: but he is. You are correct older a little bit 402 00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:29,320 Speaker 1: than Bill Belichick. All I'm more likely to happen more 403 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:33,879 Speaker 1: wins in their career. Now follow me here the Shan's 404 00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:38,439 Speaker 1: Sean McDermott or Sean McVay, which guy will have more wins? 405 00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:41,200 Speaker 1: They are kind of neck and neck right now about 406 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:46,560 Speaker 1: two wins apart, but obviously McVeagh considerably younger than McDermott. 407 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:49,280 Speaker 1: Mcvay's only thirty five years old, McDermott forty seven. The 408 00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:51,400 Speaker 1: reason why I matched them up together is that they 409 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:54,600 Speaker 1: are pretty much neck and neck and wins now. And 410 00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:57,359 Speaker 1: McVay strikes me as the kind of guy might be 411 00:21:57,480 --> 00:22:00,600 Speaker 1: like a Madden, might be like a Gruden. Coaches for 412 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:03,960 Speaker 1: a while, maybe win and he steps aside for a while. 413 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:06,240 Speaker 1: Because I think McVeigh would be an awesome broadcaster. I've 414 00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:10,280 Speaker 1: been listening to the podcast you recommended, Flying Coach. He's awesome, 415 00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:12,720 Speaker 1: and I just don't know if he's gonna stick with 416 00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:16,400 Speaker 1: it forever. So what are your thoughts here? He stole 417 00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:18,600 Speaker 1: my thunder. I think that's exactly it. I think McDermott 418 00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:21,800 Speaker 1: ends up with more wins, not that McDermott. I've talked 419 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:24,760 Speaker 1: to Salpacho Salau, reporter of the Bills, and he's like, yeah, 420 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:29,680 Speaker 1: sounds pretty good. Sean's pretty good. But mcveigh's on a 421 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:31,960 Speaker 1: different level. I think he. I think he really enjoyed. 422 00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:34,600 Speaker 1: He's really enjoyed doing this podcast. And I think it 423 00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:37,880 Speaker 1: was maybe about a year ago, maybe two years ago, 424 00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:44,760 Speaker 1: where I had seen something that either quoted him or 425 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:49,600 Speaker 1: was para phrasing something he said about not being a 426 00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:55,600 Speaker 1: lifer coach. He saw his grandfather do that. John John McVeigh, 427 00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:57,879 Speaker 1: I think his name was John McVeigh. Yeah, I think 428 00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:01,240 Speaker 1: that's right. He used to be with the Giants. He 429 00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:02,880 Speaker 1: was the head coach of the Giants for a little while. 430 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:05,280 Speaker 1: He was an interim head coach for the Giants and 431 00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:06,960 Speaker 1: the Miracle in the meadow Lands, but then he went 432 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:08,399 Speaker 1: to the forty nine Ers and he was in the 433 00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:11,040 Speaker 1: front office for a long time with the forty nine ers, 434 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:14,399 Speaker 1: and so he ended up with five rings. But I 435 00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:16,159 Speaker 1: think maybe they looked at his grandfather was like, I 436 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:18,320 Speaker 1: don't want to be a lifer. And I think what 437 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:23,840 Speaker 1: this business does is it allows guys to stay close 438 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:27,199 Speaker 1: to the game without having to go through that, Hey, 439 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:28,800 Speaker 1: you gotta be up at four o'clock in the morning, 440 00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:30,480 Speaker 1: you gotta be in the office at four forty five. 441 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:33,960 Speaker 1: You gotta do all that like Gruden was doing. It's 442 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:38,800 Speaker 1: it's the really really infected ones I say, affected, like 443 00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:43,439 Speaker 1: a sickness that ended up going back that just can't 444 00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:47,600 Speaker 1: live that way. And they told a great story on 445 00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:50,520 Speaker 1: a Flying Coach podcast about about how John Lynch became 446 00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:54,600 Speaker 1: the GM because Lynch actually called Kyle Shanahan. Shannahan talked 447 00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:57,119 Speaker 1: to him and he said, Kyle said, look, I know 448 00:23:57,200 --> 00:23:59,920 Speaker 1: this is kind of crazy, he said, but I leave 449 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:03,000 Speaker 1: these games after calling him and I just don't feel 450 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:05,280 Speaker 1: an attachment. It's like, I feel like I did a 451 00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:06,920 Speaker 1: good broadcast, but I don't feel an attachment to it. 452 00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:08,639 Speaker 1: I want to feel that I want to be around 453 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:09,840 Speaker 1: a team. I want to be with a team, and 454 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:12,399 Speaker 1: that's when the idea was hatched about him being a GM. 455 00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:16,520 Speaker 1: I think McVeigh getting this experience early's coaching experience early. 456 00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:18,440 Speaker 1: He's gonna be able to write taken into broadcasting what 457 00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:20,920 Speaker 1: he wants because he's very, very good at it, and 458 00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:22,199 Speaker 1: I think he'll do it. I think he's a lot 459 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:24,359 Speaker 1: like Gruden, that's the first coach he learned under. I 460 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:26,560 Speaker 1: think he watched Gruden's like, hey, I could see a 461 00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:29,920 Speaker 1: career arc like that. And whether he got back into 462 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:32,119 Speaker 1: it or not, I don't know. Long story short, I 463 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:35,840 Speaker 1: think Sean McDermott ends up with more wins of those 464 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:39,000 Speaker 1: two for that particular reason. I think McVeigh is a 465 00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:41,320 Speaker 1: heck of a coach. I think he'd be a heck 466 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:43,160 Speaker 1: of a broadcaster and I think he's going to find 467 00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:48,280 Speaker 1: that he likes that situation. And whether he goes back 468 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:51,080 Speaker 1: later or not, I think Sean McDermott will be coaching 469 00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:52,879 Speaker 1: for a long time at McDermott wind up with a 470 00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:55,359 Speaker 1: lot more victories. All right, I've got one more. I 471 00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:57,000 Speaker 1: might save it for next week. We might get to 472 00:24:57,080 --> 00:24:59,000 Speaker 1: it next, but we'll also get to this next. Because 473 00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:02,479 Speaker 1: Drew Doherty caught up with former Texans safety Nick fergus anyway, 474 00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:05,520 Speaker 1: some things to say about Philip Lindsay and I wanted 475 00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:09,320 Speaker 1: to get into that running backstoryline. We hinted at it 476 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:12,080 Speaker 1: with John McClain last night. That's coming up next here 477 00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:15,880 Speaker 1: on Texans Radio. Mark Vandermarin, John Harris with you. Great 478 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:19,399 Speaker 1: to have you listening to Texans Radio tonight, Johnny, Philip 479 00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:24,160 Speaker 1: Lindsay running back. You've heard of him for your Houston Texans. Well. 480 00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:27,840 Speaker 1: Nick Ferguson, former Bronco and former Texans, signed here in 481 00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:31,240 Speaker 1: oh eight, played at oh nine. Drew Doherty caught up 482 00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:35,520 Speaker 1: with him as a big podcast on Houston Texans dot Com. 483 00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:37,440 Speaker 1: I almost said Sports Radio six ten dot com. I 484 00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:40,440 Speaker 1: don't know. I'm just having flashbacks here Houston Texans dot 485 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:42,960 Speaker 1: com and the Texans App. But let's listen to this 486 00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:46,440 Speaker 1: tidbit here on what Nick Ferguson had to say about 487 00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:48,760 Speaker 1: Philip Lindsay when he signed with the Texans. You and 488 00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:51,320 Speaker 1: I went back and forth via text, and you were 489 00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:53,879 Speaker 1: you were pretty excited about it. You thought this was 490 00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:57,240 Speaker 1: a move that could be pretty beneficial for the Texans 491 00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:00,480 Speaker 1: after what you've heard, what you've seen his career, and 492 00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:03,520 Speaker 1: what you've heard and seen of his time short time 493 00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:05,040 Speaker 1: with the Texans. What do you think of it all? 494 00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:07,240 Speaker 1: I think it's great. I think it's a great move 495 00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:11,480 Speaker 1: for him. One financially, I thought he was undervalue, underplayed 496 00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:16,280 Speaker 1: here with the Broncos organization. Also he was underutilized as 497 00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:18,760 Speaker 1: far as his talent because most people when they look 498 00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:20,920 Speaker 1: at Phield, they say, well, he's a small back, and 499 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:23,440 Speaker 1: I tell them he's been small all of his life. 500 00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:25,639 Speaker 1: But look what he's been able to do in his 501 00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:28,080 Speaker 1: body type. And I told him when I was coaching 502 00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:30,199 Speaker 1: with the forty nine ers and we played we played him, 503 00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:32,960 Speaker 1: I say, look, man, you played much bigger than what 504 00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:35,800 Speaker 1: your size dictates. And I love the power and the 505 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:39,160 Speaker 1: energy and enthusiasm you bring to the game. And here 506 00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:41,960 Speaker 1: in Dever, there's a lot of criticism the Phil saying 507 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:44,600 Speaker 1: as though he can't catch the ball that, well, well, 508 00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:47,040 Speaker 1: you can't catch the ball if they don't throw it 509 00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:49,480 Speaker 1: to you. So I mean, it's just it's just pure 510 00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:53,440 Speaker 1: of mathematics and the more touches you receive, the better 511 00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:57,359 Speaker 1: you get. And just watching Phil being an undrafted player, 512 00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:01,080 Speaker 1: I was an undrafted player. I mean, what undrafted player 513 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:04,000 Speaker 1: playing a running back position goes for a back to 514 00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:06,479 Speaker 1: back thousand yard seasons and he goes to the Pro 515 00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:08,720 Speaker 1: Bow in his first year. It's kind of unheard of. 516 00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:11,040 Speaker 1: So I knew that he was one of those types 517 00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:13,639 Speaker 1: of backs that I mean, no matter who you put 518 00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:15,720 Speaker 1: in front of him, no matter who you brought in, 519 00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:18,680 Speaker 1: he was going to compete. And that's that's what I 520 00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:22,600 Speaker 1: hope you know Ingram and David Johnson actually realizes, you know, 521 00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:25,440 Speaker 1: Phil is there to compete. He's gonna make you better. 522 00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:28,320 Speaker 1: And don't see it as Okay, well he's trying to 523 00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:30,320 Speaker 1: take my job. That's the way we normally see it, 524 00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:34,680 Speaker 1: but it's it's about embracing that competition because you should 525 00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:36,840 Speaker 1: be willing to compete for your job because he's only 526 00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:39,080 Speaker 1: going to make you better. And from what I've seen 527 00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:42,280 Speaker 1: from from Philip lindsay, I don't care who you put 528 00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:44,040 Speaker 1: out there, I don't care where you placed him on 529 00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:47,920 Speaker 1: the depth chart. He's going to outwork every single player, 530 00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:49,880 Speaker 1: and I'm expecting to do the same thing for you guys. 531 00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:54,480 Speaker 1: That's good to hear. You know. In twenty eighteen, we 532 00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:57,639 Speaker 1: saw him when the Texans played. He was a rookie 533 00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:00,640 Speaker 1: in twenty eighteen, and I had noticed just watched him 534 00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:02,360 Speaker 1: that game and watched him in the games from four 535 00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:05,239 Speaker 1: and after. The violence with which he plays is kind 536 00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:07,920 Speaker 1: of uncommon. You kind of touched on it, you know there, 537 00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:10,280 Speaker 1: but it's kind of uncommon to his size. You know, 538 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:14,159 Speaker 1: he's not afraid to mix it up. It looks like fun. No, no, 539 00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:16,480 Speaker 1: you know he's not. And once again, he's been told 540 00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:19,760 Speaker 1: he's been small all his life, so he's had to 541 00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:23,120 Speaker 1: battle through that. But over the years that's just kind 542 00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:25,880 Speaker 1: of build up that hard, tough exterory that we see 543 00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:29,520 Speaker 1: when he's running between the tackles, when he's running outside 544 00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:32,960 Speaker 1: and it's it's a it's a matchup nightmare for linebackers. 545 00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:35,960 Speaker 1: Once you get him outside and you dumped the ball 546 00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:38,560 Speaker 1: off to him in the screen, he's capable of making 547 00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:41,520 Speaker 1: something explosive happen. So, Johnny, we talked about this, and 548 00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:44,760 Speaker 1: that's Nick Ferguson. I'm Philip Lindsay, former Broncos running back, 549 00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:47,560 Speaker 1: Nick former Broncos safety. We talked about this with the 550 00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:49,520 Speaker 1: general last night a bit and I asked him, oh, 551 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:52,000 Speaker 1: you got the four name running backs. I know you 552 00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:55,120 Speaker 1: have Scottie Phillips, you have Dontrelle Hilliard, who's actually a 553 00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:57,680 Speaker 1: name himself. And Buddy Howe, who looks pretty good in 554 00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:00,640 Speaker 1: the backfield, but he's a real special team's demon. So 555 00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:04,120 Speaker 1: you got the four veterans that have that brand appeal, 556 00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:07,640 Speaker 1: if you will, And how do you sort out the 557 00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,480 Speaker 1: playing time? How do you determine who's gonna make the team? 558 00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:12,680 Speaker 1: General brought up the great point about special teams. If 559 00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:14,640 Speaker 1: you keep four running backs, two of them minimum are 560 00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:17,600 Speaker 1: playing special teams for you. These guys probably aren't. I 561 00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:19,800 Speaker 1: think it's gonna be really interesting to follow this in 562 00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:23,880 Speaker 1: training camp, as interesting as any position group on the 563 00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:26,880 Speaker 1: team outside of the quarterback position, which is always the 564 00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:30,880 Speaker 1: most interesting to most squads. I think the big key 565 00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:36,680 Speaker 1: and all of this is Rex Burkhead. And I'll explain. 566 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:39,240 Speaker 1: He got hurt that game against US, which was an 567 00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:41,680 Speaker 1: early December. He didn't have surgery I think about a 568 00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:44,960 Speaker 1: week later, so it was probably in mid December where 569 00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:48,920 Speaker 1: he had the surgery. I don't know where he's gonna 570 00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:54,440 Speaker 1: be in his rehab, okay, And that could they could 571 00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:56,120 Speaker 1: be good and it could be bad. Obviously bad because 572 00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:58,400 Speaker 1: I think Rix Burkhead's got something, and I think he 573 00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:00,400 Speaker 1: still got something. I've always been a Rex Burk kid fan. 574 00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:04,160 Speaker 1: I loved that guy from time he's at Nebraska. He 575 00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:08,560 Speaker 1: kind of runs the football like a linebacker in some sense, 576 00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:10,840 Speaker 1: like a really fast linebacker. And that's when he used 577 00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:14,480 Speaker 1: to be, you know, a Plano at Plano High School. 578 00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:18,719 Speaker 1: He was he was a linebacking. He was a linebacker, 579 00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:22,680 Speaker 1: but he was such a good running back and realized, 580 00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:25,000 Speaker 1: hey man, my tickets probably at the running back position, 581 00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:28,000 Speaker 1: and so he stayed as a running back. Anyways, because 582 00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:30,720 Speaker 1: we don't know when Rex is gonna come back, I 583 00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:35,360 Speaker 1: could see a scenario where David Johnson, mark Ingram, Philip Lindsay, 584 00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:39,160 Speaker 1: Buddy Howell just start there. Those are the four guys 585 00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:43,160 Speaker 1: that they have and then Rex gets put on I 586 00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:47,760 Speaker 1: don't know, a pup or whatever whatever list until he's ready. 587 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:52,160 Speaker 1: And we have not seen a season in which four 588 00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:55,959 Speaker 1: running backs have stayed healthy for a significant stretch at 589 00:30:56,000 --> 00:31:00,440 Speaker 1: a time. So at that point, somebody's gonna it dinged 590 00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:03,800 Speaker 1: up somebody. And when Rex is ready to come back, 591 00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:07,320 Speaker 1: he enters the lineup, he enters the four and it's 592 00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:09,920 Speaker 1: the matter of who gets banged up at that point. Now, 593 00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:14,800 Speaker 1: if for some odd reason they're all completely healthy, well, Okay, 594 00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:16,640 Speaker 1: now you got Now you got a decision to make. 595 00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:19,320 Speaker 1: Which guys have been more effective, which guys can play 596 00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:21,120 Speaker 1: on special teams. That's why I bring up Buddy. How 597 00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:23,040 Speaker 1: I think Buddy can be part of your four because 598 00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:25,800 Speaker 1: you saw what Buddy could do running the ball. But 599 00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:28,400 Speaker 1: you went out and got some veterans because you know 600 00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:31,000 Speaker 1: you had to bolster the running game. You got mark Ingram, 601 00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:33,480 Speaker 1: you went and got Birkehead, you went and got Philip 602 00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:37,800 Speaker 1: Lindsay to bolster the running game. So to me, depending 603 00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:41,720 Speaker 1: on where Rex is in his rehab can change his philosophy. 604 00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:44,160 Speaker 1: But if Rex isn't going to be ready for the 605 00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:46,520 Speaker 1: first month of the season, and I don't know whether 606 00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:49,440 Speaker 1: it is or isn't, don't know, but if he isn't, 607 00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:52,280 Speaker 1: that might give guys an opportunity at first four or 608 00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:56,360 Speaker 1: five weeks of the year. For those three veterans and 609 00:31:57,160 --> 00:31:59,880 Speaker 1: Buddy maybe maybe Scotty feels. I don't know. The four 610 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:04,000 Speaker 1: guy will absolutely, without question play special teams, no doubt 611 00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:09,400 Speaker 1: play special teams. And my guess would be that if 612 00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:11,640 Speaker 1: you ask Philip Lindsay to do it, he'd do it. 613 00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:14,760 Speaker 1: But I got a feel that Phip Lindsay is going 614 00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:16,200 Speaker 1: to be a big part of the running game, and 615 00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:18,000 Speaker 1: so you're not gonna want it to do it. So 616 00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:22,880 Speaker 1: the question becomes, are you comfortable carrying maybe an extra 617 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:27,040 Speaker 1: running back because you know mark Ingram's probably not going 618 00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:29,320 Speaker 1: to play on special teams, David Johnson's probably not gonna 619 00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:32,440 Speaker 1: play on special teams. Are you comfortable carrying an extra 620 00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:36,560 Speaker 1: running back that is more a special teams guy because 621 00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:38,760 Speaker 1: you know those two guys are not going to play, 622 00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:40,880 Speaker 1: or do you feel like, hey, look, we can't afford 623 00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:43,080 Speaker 1: the roster spot. We got to make a decision between 624 00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:46,840 Speaker 1: those guys. That's gonna be interesting. But depending on where 625 00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:50,760 Speaker 1: Rex is in his rehab, is going to help determine 626 00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:52,920 Speaker 1: where you are with that group. You say it all 627 00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:54,720 Speaker 1: the time, you know, injuries can kind of sort this 628 00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:58,240 Speaker 1: thing out. It's not the best solution, it's not the 629 00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:03,000 Speaker 1: greatest solution, but it ends up forcing a solution as 630 00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:06,000 Speaker 1: opposed to having to decide what you're gonna do. I 631 00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:07,840 Speaker 1: hope they all stay healthy, and I hope Rex is 632 00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:10,360 Speaker 1: ready to go. I'd like this decision to be very 633 00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:14,600 Speaker 1: difficult on Nicossario to decide what he's gonna do. But 634 00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:17,240 Speaker 1: I think Rex may not be ready right away, and 635 00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:20,560 Speaker 1: for that reason, it's gonna allow those veterans to stick 636 00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:23,440 Speaker 1: around with buddy or with the guy they feel like 637 00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:25,200 Speaker 1: that fourth guy is going to be a definite on 638 00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:28,480 Speaker 1: special teams and then away you go from that perspective. 639 00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:31,440 Speaker 1: But I love me some Philip Lindsay, and I think 640 00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:34,320 Speaker 1: if you if you asked him to play special teams, 641 00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:36,320 Speaker 1: I want to say an ota when they did special 642 00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:39,160 Speaker 1: teams meetings, he was right there in the special teams stuff. 643 00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:41,480 Speaker 1: He was right in the mix of it. So I 644 00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:44,480 Speaker 1: don't think he's gonna have a problem doing anything. And 645 00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:47,440 Speaker 1: he was such a joy to talk to, just talk 646 00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:49,680 Speaker 1: ball with. I don't know that we've ever done an 647 00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:52,080 Speaker 1: interview with anybody. But then turn it around and asked 648 00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:56,120 Speaker 1: us what we thought, which was pretty interesting. When he 649 00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:59,120 Speaker 1: asked us what we thought of him, which was kind 650 00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:02,280 Speaker 1: of cool. So I really hope he sticks around and 651 00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:04,920 Speaker 1: does some good stuff with this team. Yeah, that's a 652 00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:09,560 Speaker 1: great point. You know, he redirected it to us, and 653 00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:11,839 Speaker 1: this is a zoom call. You know, we're not even 654 00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:14,600 Speaker 1: meeting him face to face, and we're about to interview 655 00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:18,640 Speaker 1: a ton of guys in about eight days here as 656 00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:20,520 Speaker 1: they get back, and we can't wait for that. As 657 00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:22,239 Speaker 1: we have a big media day here, we'll get a 658 00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:24,560 Speaker 1: lot of interviews and you'll hear them all here on 659 00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:28,080 Speaker 1: Texans Radio. I think it's worth noting to your point 660 00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:31,000 Speaker 1: about you know, being able to hang on to players 661 00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:34,440 Speaker 1: that I don't think it's positive yet or confirmed yet, 662 00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:37,040 Speaker 1: but I hate to use that word positive. Oh my gosh, 663 00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:41,719 Speaker 1: out of focus. But it is a thing that I are. 664 00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:45,560 Speaker 1: And the practice squads you'll use last year's rules for 665 00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:48,080 Speaker 1: twenty twenty one, so you have the sixteen players on 666 00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:50,960 Speaker 1: the practice squads, you can protect four every week. The 667 00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:55,359 Speaker 1: IR is great flexibility and this is probably gonna stick forever. Right, 668 00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:57,360 Speaker 1: you have seventeen games now. I don't know about the 669 00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:00,920 Speaker 1: sixteen player practice squads sticking forever, but you have seventeen 670 00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:03,840 Speaker 1: games now. And I still think COVID is a factor. 671 00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:06,320 Speaker 1: There's no question as a factor. As long as you're testing, 672 00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:09,600 Speaker 1: it's going to be a factor. So you have to 673 00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:11,480 Speaker 1: get ready for that. Johnny, we got one more and 674 00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:14,720 Speaker 1: more likely to happen for you. We'll do that one next, okay, 675 00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:17,720 Speaker 1: and a little bit more on the all time coaching 676 00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:19,680 Speaker 1: list because I love looking at this stuff like I 677 00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:23,880 Speaker 1: get to stare at the all time leaders in receptions, 678 00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:28,640 Speaker 1: running back yards, you know, rushing yards, rushing yards by 679 00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:30,680 Speaker 1: the ways of revelation because you see the quarterbacks who 680 00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:33,520 Speaker 1: are on the list and you're thinking, what great running 681 00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:36,800 Speaker 1: backs have fewer rushing yards than some of the quarterbacks. Anyway, 682 00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:39,640 Speaker 1: we'll digest some of that next here on Texans Radio. 683 00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:43,680 Speaker 1: Keeping your company on a summer Friday, as we only 684 00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:47,320 Speaker 1: have one more Friday after this without camp, so camp 685 00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:50,319 Speaker 1: practice begins July twenty eighth. Will be out there at 686 00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:52,960 Speaker 1: the Houston Methodist Training Center from eight to ten am 687 00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:58,000 Speaker 1: broadcasting letting you know what is happening on the practice field. 688 00:35:58,040 --> 00:35:59,800 Speaker 1: It's going to be so great. I was about to 689 00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:01,320 Speaker 1: say it's gonna be so cool, but it's gonna be 690 00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:04,279 Speaker 1: very warm. Actually it's gonna be hot out there at 691 00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:09,040 Speaker 1: the Houston Methodist Training Center. But we cannot wait for that, Johnny, 692 00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:11,400 Speaker 1: I had to clean up for the first segment. One 693 00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:14,120 Speaker 1: more likely to one more more likely to happen. Are 694 00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:16,680 Speaker 1: you ready for this? Okay, yeah, let's do it all right. 695 00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:21,239 Speaker 1: Back to the coaching. Who's out first, Who's gonna do 696 00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:24,960 Speaker 1: what first? That kind of line of questioning who's gonna 697 00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:29,800 Speaker 1: win a super Bowl first, Kevin Stefanski or Matt Lafleur 698 00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:36,600 Speaker 1: or nobody. Okay, neither one. This is a tough one 699 00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:45,560 Speaker 1: championship game. Yeah if you just said Stefanski and Lafleur, man. 700 00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:52,080 Speaker 1: I really like what Cleveland has put together. I really do. 701 00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:54,840 Speaker 1: And the Packers of the last couple of years have 702 00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:57,399 Speaker 1: been driven by one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time. 703 00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:00,960 Speaker 1: The Browns are not with makes me think that they 704 00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:03,120 Speaker 1: get better play for Baker Mayfield. They're gonna be a 705 00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:06,600 Speaker 1: team that can And look, I don't want to knock 706 00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:09,160 Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield. I think we all know he's not Aaron Rodgers, 707 00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:12,840 Speaker 1: but Baker's Baker's got to take another another step to 708 00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:17,360 Speaker 1: be able to to show that he's that guy that 709 00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:20,279 Speaker 1: can't lead them to a super Bowl. But man, the 710 00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:23,399 Speaker 1: flour is a He's such a good coach. I'm gonna 711 00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:28,640 Speaker 1: go Stefanski. And now I'll tell you here's here's why 712 00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:33,080 Speaker 1: his jam is Andrew Barry. I think Andrew Berry is 713 00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:36,359 Speaker 1: helpful in giving Kevin Stefancy a team that can really 714 00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:40,320 Speaker 1: be there in the mix. We don't know what happens 715 00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:44,719 Speaker 1: when Aaron Rodgers leaves. I love Jordan Love. I always have. 716 00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:46,600 Speaker 1: I know what Drey does. Dray and I've talked about this. 717 00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:48,439 Speaker 1: We were on a plane going somewhere at one time 718 00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:51,479 Speaker 1: and I was playing the film he was sitting between. 719 00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:53,719 Speaker 1: Was like watching film in the gaps, and then I 720 00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:56,239 Speaker 1: would just feel this hit on my I would feel 721 00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:59,080 Speaker 1: this hit on my off like, hey, run that back, 722 00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:01,359 Speaker 1: run that back may we said there was. We're both 723 00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:03,480 Speaker 1: big fans. So I do think Jordan Love is going 724 00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:05,200 Speaker 1: to be It's gonna be fun. I think he's gonna 725 00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:07,800 Speaker 1: be a good NFL quarterback when it comes to But 726 00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:12,120 Speaker 1: I don't know that everything around Love is really at 727 00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:15,960 Speaker 1: a Super Bowl Cali caliber level right now. I do 728 00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:18,640 Speaker 1: think it is that way in Cleveland as long as 729 00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:22,120 Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield ends up being that dude. So I'm gonna say, 730 00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:25,960 Speaker 1: Kevin Stefanski, Wow, Okay, Well, the Browns fans will be 731 00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:27,759 Speaker 1: happy to hear that. All right, back to the all 732 00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:31,320 Speaker 1: time coaching list? Are you ready for this little trivial 733 00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:33,799 Speaker 1: bit of information that's kind of interesting And I can't 734 00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:35,960 Speaker 1: be the first person to have noticed this and brought 735 00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:41,080 Speaker 1: it up, but Wade Phillips and Bum Phillips have the 736 00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:45,919 Speaker 1: same amount of victories eighty two what as a high 737 00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:48,879 Speaker 1: would cover. You're gonna ask that question one hundred people, 738 00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:51,480 Speaker 1: and I guarantee at ninety three miss it. They forget 739 00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:56,040 Speaker 1: that Wade Denver, Atlanta Wade as head coaching victories and 740 00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:58,800 Speaker 1: he's got eighty two of them, and that ties in 741 00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:03,560 Speaker 1: with bum Phillips. Now you know there's another guy who's 742 00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:07,280 Speaker 1: associated with them both who has the same amount of victories, 743 00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:10,600 Speaker 1: and that would be one Gary Kubiak. All three of 744 00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:13,680 Speaker 1: those men have the same amount of victories on the 745 00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:16,560 Speaker 1: all time NFL win list at eighty two, which I 746 00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:21,520 Speaker 1: found surprising. Now, guess what that is more victories eighty two? 747 00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:24,759 Speaker 1: You might think eighty two that doesn't sound Eighty two 748 00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:29,960 Speaker 1: is more wins than Jimmy Johnson has. Yeah, Jimmy Johnson 749 00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:32,719 Speaker 1: has eighty victories those guys of eighty two. And you 750 00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:34,680 Speaker 1: can't take anything away from Jimmy Johnson. A couple of 751 00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:37,080 Speaker 1: Super Bowls, and he actually did pretty well with the 752 00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:40,920 Speaker 1: Dolphins all things considered. And you know when you look 753 00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:43,239 Speaker 1: down on the list after that, you know you see 754 00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:47,160 Speaker 1: guys like Mike Smith, and you see all these historic 755 00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:51,920 Speaker 1: names of course, you see Bruce Arians, you know, fewer victories, 756 00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:55,680 Speaker 1: no real surprises here, Mike Zimmer, fewer victories. Jack del 757 00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:57,680 Speaker 1: Rio has ninety three wins as a head coach, but 758 00:39:57,719 --> 00:40:00,200 Speaker 1: you forget all those wins he got in Jacksonville. I 759 00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:03,040 Speaker 1: mean he actually had some success with them a little bit. 760 00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:07,160 Speaker 1: And Marvin Lewis has a ton of wins, relatively one 761 00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:11,040 Speaker 1: hundred thirty one, but never won a playoff game. All right, 762 00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:13,040 Speaker 1: I just love all this stuff. You know, we were 763 00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:17,520 Speaker 1: mentioning Pete Carroll earlier tied on the all time win 764 00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:22,680 Speaker 1: list at eighteenth with Mike Tomlin, and Sean Payton is 765 00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:25,680 Speaker 1: right behind them at one fifty five. Those three guys 766 00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:29,960 Speaker 1: still going Wow. Between Belichick and them, you have Andy 767 00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:33,600 Speaker 1: Reid at fifth. Now, Andy Reid, I think, look, he's 768 00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:36,960 Speaker 1: no spring Chicken either. Okay, Andy Reid, you know you're 769 00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:39,560 Speaker 1: dealing with a guy who's sixty three years old, and 770 00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:43,479 Speaker 1: you know not like I'm not gonna say he looks 771 00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:47,120 Speaker 1: every bit of it. But let's be honest, Okay, So Reid, 772 00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:49,960 Speaker 1: I mean, if Pete Carroll is seventy, like, if you 773 00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:52,799 Speaker 1: just put their pictures up or video of the two 774 00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:56,440 Speaker 1: of them, one guy's seventy one, guy's sixty three. You're 775 00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:59,520 Speaker 1: probably gonna guess that Andy Reid might be seventy. But 776 00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:04,760 Speaker 1: victories two hundred and thirty five. He's fifth all time 777 00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:09,320 Speaker 1: all time, Johnny, Andy Reid has done the work, and 778 00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:10,920 Speaker 1: to see him finally get a ring a couple of 779 00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:13,239 Speaker 1: years ago made me want to commit because he's the 780 00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:16,920 Speaker 1: Chief's head coach. But you're happy for him as an individual. Okay, 781 00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:19,120 Speaker 1: he doesn't win another Super Bowl. In fact, the Chiefs 782 00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:23,040 Speaker 1: don't even go to a super Bowl. Okay, he coaches 783 00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:25,719 Speaker 1: another five years. Is he a Hall of Famer? Absolutely? 784 00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:28,600 Speaker 1: Andy Reid, even though just one super Bowl. The amount 785 00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:31,720 Speaker 1: of victories hanging in there for that long, The amount 786 00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:36,960 Speaker 1: of conference championship games, Okay, that's three super Bowl appearances 787 00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:39,759 Speaker 1: one if maybe he never goes back again. Three super 788 00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:44,440 Speaker 1: Bowl appearances, one victory. How many conference championship games are 789 00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:47,560 Speaker 1: we up to? Like eight? Gosh, yes, eight? I think 790 00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:50,240 Speaker 1: he was like four in a row. He was five 791 00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:53,080 Speaker 1: in Philly. I know that. I think he's got three here, 792 00:41:53,920 --> 00:42:00,640 Speaker 1: oh four, Wait a minute, they missed, they went all right, 793 00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:04,000 Speaker 1: so three here. I don't think they want. I don't 794 00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:07,759 Speaker 1: think they want before that. No, believe, no, he got 795 00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:10,640 Speaker 1: I mean, look, it was not going well for him 796 00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:14,160 Speaker 1: in that sense for a while. Okay, his playoff record 797 00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:19,279 Speaker 1: until until Andy Reid rallied his team back from twenty 798 00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:22,800 Speaker 1: four nothing down against the Houston Texans capping the twenty 799 00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:27,080 Speaker 1: nineteen season. Until he did that, his playoff record with 800 00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:31,000 Speaker 1: the Chiefs wasn't very good. Right, Remember they got bounced 801 00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:34,480 Speaker 1: by Tennessee. They just the one win he had was 802 00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:38,640 Speaker 1: against Houston in twenty fifteen on wild card weekend. So 803 00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:44,120 Speaker 1: ever since that twenty four nothing down rally, it's been 804 00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:46,920 Speaker 1: a whole lot better for him in the postseason with 805 00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:50,360 Speaker 1: that postseason record. So good for you. Yeah, Mahomes, Mahomes 806 00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:55,680 Speaker 1: helps Mahos is a little bit of Yeah. He had 807 00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:59,640 Speaker 1: five Oh no, that's right. They got there in two 808 00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:01,360 Speaker 1: thousand and eight. I forgot about that. You're right, you 809 00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:03,920 Speaker 1: had five and filly at four straight two thousand one 810 00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:06,680 Speaker 1: through two thousand and four, and it was finally in 811 00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:08,160 Speaker 1: two thousand and four they got to Super Bowl. And 812 00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:09,920 Speaker 1: in two thousand and eight they made that run. They 813 00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:12,319 Speaker 1: were like a sixth seed, a five or sixth seed, 814 00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:15,279 Speaker 1: and I remember they had to go to Carol Arizona 815 00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:19,000 Speaker 1: to play the Kurt Warner Cardinals and lost. So they 816 00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:23,959 Speaker 1: were yeah, five in five and Filly and three three 817 00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:27,000 Speaker 1: here or three in Kansas City. It's eight. Yeah. I 818 00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:29,800 Speaker 1: think he goes in because who do you make a 819 00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:32,719 Speaker 1: who is this stronger hall of fame case? I'll throw 820 00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:39,719 Speaker 1: it back at you either or Annie Read or Tom Coughlin. Look, 821 00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:43,080 Speaker 1: this is kind of like the Eli Mannings Super Bowl debate, right, 822 00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:45,200 Speaker 1: But Tom Conflint to me is a Hall of Fame coach. 823 00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:48,000 Speaker 1: And I'll tell you why. Two Super Bowl wins and 824 00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:52,640 Speaker 1: two other conference game appearances with an expansion team. I 825 00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:55,520 Speaker 1: think you you can't just look at the numbers. You 826 00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:58,680 Speaker 1: have to provide some context, and I think the context 827 00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:01,759 Speaker 1: on Coughlin is very strong. Johnny, that's it for today. 828 00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:03,120 Speaker 1: Thanks so much for being a part of it. As 829 00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:05,680 Speaker 1: always appreciate it. Mark, thank you. All Right, we'll do 830 00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:09,120 Speaker 1: more of the Nick Ferguson visit with Drew Doherty. We'll 831 00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:11,960 Speaker 1: do more of that next week because it's really cool stuff, 832 00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:14,560 Speaker 1: and we'll get you ready for camp because July twenty eighth, 833 00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:17,520 Speaker 1: it all gets rolling at the Houston Methodist Training Center. 834 00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:20,360 Speaker 1: Have a great weekend, everybody, and Go Texans.