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Speaker 1: It is interesting. We were talking about this this morning,

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Speaker 1: as our domestic players and are surging right in hockey,

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Speaker 1: in basketball, the international players are sort of taking it over.

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Speaker 1: And we'll get into that among other things with Chris Brusard,

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Speaker 1: co host First Things First is now joining us live

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Speaker 1: on a Monday. Chris, as always brew, it's great to

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Speaker 1: see you. I want to start with the Lakers, and

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Speaker 1: I've said this before years and years ago, about twenty

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Speaker 1: five years ago, a general manager in the league said,

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Speaker 1: it's not about getting a star, it's about getting the

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Speaker 1: right star. And I think at the time he used

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Speaker 1: him Duncan. He's like, he plays defense, he's coachable, he's

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Speaker 1: about the right stuff. It's winning basketball. It's not about flash.

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Speaker 1: He goes, that's the right star. And there's guys like

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Speaker 1: Stevie Francis or mar Berry, who were marvelously talented but

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Speaker 1: maybe been distracted. They weren't necessarily winning players. So I've

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Speaker 1: said this about Luca. I've always said he's a better Carmelo.

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Speaker 1: He's not in great shape, he's not committed on the

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Speaker 1: defensive end, but he's an all time scoring threat. But

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Speaker 1: Luca now has thirteen technicals yesterday, it's a very average effort.

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Speaker 1: He's arguing with officials. The Celtics are racing down to

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Speaker 1: the other end of the floor, and that because they

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Speaker 1: won the trade with the Mavericks. Everybody's like it's finished.

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Speaker 1: I'm a year into Luca and I'm like, is he

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Speaker 1: the best culture creator? Isn't it Lebron having another teammate

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Speaker 1: who doesn't really want to You know, Anthony Davis didn't

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Speaker 1: want to get in great shape. Luca, I could argue,

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Speaker 1: never looks to be in great shape. Where are you

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Speaker 1: on Luke Uka the Lakers and him being the centerpiece

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Look, I love Luca. Early in his career I

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Speaker 3: nicknamed him Luca Legend.

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Speaker 4: After Larry Bird. I thought he was like.

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Speaker 3: And he is great individually, but I am really beginning

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Speaker 3: to question, and this is I just start feeling this

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Speaker 3: way maybe a month ago. Colin a month or two ago.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if he's ever gonna win a championship.

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Speaker 3: And it's not because he's not individually good enough. It's

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Speaker 3: because of the way he plays. He is so hard

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Speaker 3: seen ball dominant players, but ball dominant players that shoot

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Speaker 3: They're ball dominant, but they were pass first guys. Even

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Speaker 3: Lebron when he was really in his prime and ball dominant,

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Speaker 3: it was a challenge to build around him because he

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Speaker 3: that's what we see it with James Harden throughout his career.

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Speaker 4: So I think that it's going to be challenging.

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Speaker 3: And right now, the Lakers just aren't built well around

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Speaker 3: Keep Austin Reeves obviously, and a few others, but they

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Speaker 4: Shooters, athletes who.

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Speaker 3: the type of team you have to build around Luca.

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Speaker 3: Maybe one other great offensive player like an Austin Reeves.

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Speaker 3: He did it with Kyrie when he got to the

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Speaker 3: And I'll say this, Colin, Look, I think Luka Doncic

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Speaker 4: Just now, but just period. He's better than Cooper Flag.

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Speaker 3: Have Cooper Flag on my team name as my young

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Speaker 4: So look at Jalen Brunson.

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Speaker 3: Nobody knew he had all this when he played with

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Speaker 1: Well, he's not as dynamic as he was He's more

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Speaker 1: So you know, I never bought into Jason Tatum face

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Speaker 1: Celtics are this good. They're actually better defensively than they

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Speaker 1: because they're not quite as good offensively. Are you surprised, though,

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Speaker 1: They could absolutely end up in the finals again.

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Speaker 3: Yet look, I don't think they'll get to the finals,

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Speaker 3: but I am surprised at their success. Like I thought

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Speaker 4: But I'm shocked at how that they're.

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Speaker 3: The second best team in the East right now without

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Speaker 4: And just look at some of the guys that are playing.

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Speaker 3: This is a credit to Joe Missoula. I mean really

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Speaker 3: like Joe Missoula. This is what he says. We shoot

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Speaker 3: Everybody knows if I'm going to play, I have got

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Speaker 4: And that's what they do. That's all they do.

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Speaker 3: They defend and they shoot the three, and that is

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Speaker 4: It's not a great roster.

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Speaker 3: they're doing. And Jalen Brown, the Brown was right. He

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well he's always been great, you know. At some times,

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Speaker 1: later and you're like, Jalen Brown's putting the other Hall

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Speaker 1: I was talking to I watched a clip over the

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Speaker 1: and I started, I was talking to the staff this morning.

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Speaker 1: I said, John Morant, great talent, not a winning player.

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Speaker 1: And my take is international players all feel like the

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Speaker 1: we can criticize Luca, but they're they're winning players. Is

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Speaker 1: Lebron was absolutely a winning player. Steph Curry, even though

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Speaker 3: I think we've got to issues that address this situation.

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Speaker 3: And first of all, we might find out in twenty

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Speaker 3: Feelings hurt, and it's exactly what you're talking about.

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Speaker 4: It to some degree.

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Speaker 3: Now, whoever's coaching you can't really coach you because you're

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Speaker 4: So if you don't pass the ball, they're not yelling

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Speaker 3: It's not as good as internationally. And when you watch

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Speaker 4: We were trading two point buckets.

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Speaker 6: How do you define best domestic players? Well, I'm Stephen

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Speaker 6: I mean, listen, Friday on the show, I said I

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Speaker 1: When you when you do one year of college where

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Speaker 1: these big, massive leaps for players like Wemby, You're like,

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Speaker 1: He didn't really have a perimeter game. He was so

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Speaker 1: He was an unbelievable athlete. Cooper flags the bag as

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Speaker 1: he can't do, all right, Doctor J. Huh oh, oh yeah,

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Speaker 7: I was unaware of it.

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Speaker 7: So what year was that? Was that the seventies?

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Speaker 5: They mean they were, they were, you know, running over

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Speaker 5: each other, very similar to the way the Four Nations

436
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Speaker 5: Canada US preview of the Olympics showed last year.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's funny about hockey. People have always said,

438
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Speaker 1: you know, in Canada it gets big ratings, but it

439
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Speaker 1: feels like it gets lost in the United States. Between

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Speaker 1: our college football you know, we have this massive college

441
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Speaker 1: football labyrinth of sports. Canada doesn't, Europe doesn't, and so

442
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Speaker 1: stuff gets lost in America. But every time you wrap

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Speaker 1: a flag around hockey in this country, I'm telling you,

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Speaker 1: I mean, super Bowls don't galvanize people. I feel like

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Speaker 1: sometimes the way US playing Canada, US playing you know,

446
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Speaker 1: the Russians, it is remarkable. I just watched another documentary

447
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Speaker 1: on the nineteen eighty The Boys of nineteen eighty, the

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Speaker 1: Miracle and the stuff. Still it's absolute goosebump moments, and

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Speaker 1: you know, it's just there is something, There is something

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Speaker 1: about the grit when you go in it's Canada sport.

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Speaker 1: They're favored. Here was Tony Grenado on the grit. This

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Speaker 1: team showed.

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Speaker 5: Canada might have outplayed the US at different parts of

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Speaker 5: the game yesterday, but the US, you know, with what

455
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Speaker 5: they have done the past few years, that's a flip

456
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Speaker 5: a coin game when these two teams meet. Now, it

457
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Speaker 5: used to not be like that. We can finally say

458
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Speaker 5: we're as good ass. We don't have to say we're better,

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Speaker 5: We're as good as Canada and be proud of it.

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Speaker 5: We don't have to tiptoe around it anymore. And say

461
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Speaker 5: it's Canada's game, and you know, you know, we just

462
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Speaker 5: play it. You know we're good, and we're darn good.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and tip of the cap to the people at NBC.

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Speaker 1: I thought the coverage was I thought it was just

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Speaker 1: great all day. I thought everybody Kenny Albert, who I

466
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Speaker 1: know who is so diligent and earnest and hard working,

467
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Speaker 1: and everybody around him was fantastic. So way to go.

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Speaker 1: I haven't watched a ton of the Olympics, but there

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Speaker 1: is nothing that gets me to a team, to a TV. Yesterday,

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Speaker 1: I was down in Florida and it was I mean,

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Speaker 1: there was nobody on golf courses during the early morning

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Speaker 1: hours at eight am when it started the Olympic coverage.

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Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd Weekdays

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Speaker 2: and neonon Easter not a Empacific.

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Speaker 6: We got a huge Top ten showdown on Fox College

476
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Speaker 6: Hoops as Yatxel, Lendeborg and Top Prank Michigan look to

477
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Speaker 6: keep their dominant season rolling against freshman phenom Keaton Waggler

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Speaker 6: and number ten Illinois Friday Night eightiestern only on Fox.

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Speaker 1: Uh Sam Donald will be joining us tomorrow on the

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Speaker 1: show The one the only Sam Donald, and I hope Jmack.

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Speaker 1: This illustrates the importance of loyalty that a lot of

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Speaker 1: times people have a little turbunce turbulence in their life.

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Speaker 1: But I hung tough with Sam Donald and he's gonna

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Speaker 1: come on the show tomorrow.

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Speaker 7: What a win for you, buddy.

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Speaker 6: Guys, what are you gonna wear? Have you thought through that?

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Speaker 6: Are you You're gonna style the hair differently because Donald's

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Speaker 6: coming by your guy?

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Speaker 1: I don't have a lot of options with my wardrobe,

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Speaker 1: ard my hair. This is what you get, Jmack.

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Speaker 2: With the news, No, no, turn on the news. This

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Speaker 2: is the herd line news.

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Speaker 7: I think we touched on earlier.

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Speaker 6: This Javante Williams deal in Dallas three years.

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Speaker 7: Twenty four mil? What do you make of people are

496
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Speaker 7: going overboard?

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Speaker 6: Come on, he's okay, He's not like a top ten back.

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Speaker 7: It's fine.

499
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Speaker 6: But the bigger story is what does that mean for

500
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Speaker 6: George Pickens, the wide receiver who wants all of the money.

501
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Speaker 6: The Cowboys want to tag him, and there's a report

502
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Speaker 6: indicating here's a shocker that if Pickens is tagged, he

503
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Speaker 6: will sit out the Dallas off season program.

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Speaker 7: All right, you don't sound surprised. I mean there's a guy.

505
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Speaker 6: Who flamed out in Pittsburgh right plays graded Dallas looking

506
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Speaker 6: for a contract, and now he's like, whoa, whoa. If

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Speaker 6: I'm not if I'm tagged, I ain't showing up this summer.

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Speaker 1: Well, I had red flags out of Georgia.

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Speaker 7: Yes, you know so?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's it's uh, it's Japonte Williams is talented,

511
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Speaker 1: Denver moved off him has head injuries. I mean, Seattle's

512
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Speaker 1: going to move off a more productive, younger, better running

513
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Speaker 1: back in Kenneth Walker, Like, those are the hard choices

514
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Speaker 1: you have to make. I don't think people under I've

515
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Speaker 1: said this about the Lakers. People go look at the

516
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Speaker 1: OKC roster and draft pick and cost control. How much

517
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Speaker 1: better OKC is one through eight than the Lakers? People

518
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Speaker 1: have no idea how much better Seattle is than the Cowboys.

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Speaker 1: Cowboys right now are a mess financially, Yeah, I mean

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Speaker 1: they really are. Where are they great? They have some

521
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Speaker 1: great play? Where are the Cowboys great? They're not great anywhere?

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Speaker 1: Running back, it.

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Speaker 7: Depends what you think about quarterback. Well is Deckel very

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Speaker 7: very good.

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Speaker 1: I think if George Picking comes back they're very, very

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Speaker 1: high end luxury wide receiver. But as Miami and the

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Speaker 1: Dolphins proved, that doesn't mean anything in December, January, and February.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, listen, many Dallas running backs. Remember Tony Pollard had

529
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Speaker 6: a great year. Yeah, one good year, great, wonderful. Javonte

530
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Speaker 6: had a good year. I don't understand the excitement. This

531
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Speaker 6: team feels like it's hurtling toward like eight and nine ish,

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Speaker 6: seven and ten somewhere, thank.

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Speaker 1: You being I think eight and nine. Oh, I think

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Speaker 1: it's going to unravel by October. I really do.

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Speaker 6: Shoddy looking for a job after the season final. Note

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Speaker 6: on that, David Muligetta is the agent Pickens. He's the

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Speaker 6: one who got Micah Parsons the hell out of Dallas,

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Speaker 6: So just keep that in mind.

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Speaker 7: Let's move on.

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Speaker 6: Daniel Jones, your guy, I think I can call him that, right,

541
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Speaker 6: the guy who we used to call Vanilla Vick. He

542
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Speaker 6: had a pretty damn good half season in Indy, then

543
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Speaker 6: got hurt, popped his achilles in week fourteen.

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Speaker 7: That's a rap.

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Speaker 6: According to Tom Pelasaro, the Colts and Jones are working

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Speaker 6: toward a multi year extension, obviously going to be team

547
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Speaker 6: friendly Given the injury, he'll probably miss half a next season.

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Speaker 6: The real interesting question is what do you do with

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Speaker 6: the first half of the season.

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Speaker 7: Do you make a play for a Tua Colin. Do

551
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Speaker 7: you make a play for a Kyler Murray?

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Speaker 6: No?

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Speaker 7: I think trade water until DJ comes back.

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Speaker 1: No, I think you just play it out. This is

555
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Speaker 1: the best, this is the best quarterback in the market.

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Speaker 1: I think, you know, I think next year you obviously

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Speaker 1: draft one, not this draft. The next draft you build.

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Speaker 1: You know, you do what you do, you try to draft. Well,

559
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 1: they gave up first round picks to get Sauce Gardner.

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Speaker 1: Hopefully he's healthy for the entire season. So I remember,

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Speaker 1: don't forget how good the Colts were in the first

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Speaker 1: seven eight weeks. We watched them play the Rams and

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Speaker 1: out play the Rams in LA and if not for

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Speaker 1: a wide receiver, remember Mitchell the Jets. Yeah, I mean

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Speaker 1: he really lost in that game they were going in

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Speaker 1: and I thought, I mean, don't forget what they were.

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Speaker 1: Daniel Jones was healthy. The Colts were excellent. I mean

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Speaker 1: first eight nine weeks, I mean excellent. The talent here

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Speaker 1: is not The issue keeping the quarterback up right.

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Speaker 6: Is how much of that was smoking mirrors in the

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Speaker 6: Shanstiken offense.

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Speaker 4: I mean no.

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Speaker 1: I think their offensive line is good, their run game

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Speaker 1: is good. I think there. I don't think there's any

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Speaker 1: smoking mirrors. I think they have a good coach. I

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Speaker 1: think they have a good on line. I think they

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Speaker 1: have playmakers. I think they have a star running back.

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Speaker 1: I think they have a pass rush. And now they

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Speaker 1: went in.

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Speaker 7: They went all in with Gardner.

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Speaker 6: They're gonna lose Pearson free agency the receiver, but I

582
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Speaker 6: get paid.

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Speaker 1: This will be one of my new playoff teams next year.

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Speaker 6: No, no, no, no, I won't let you do that.

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Speaker 6: Come on, man, really next year.

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Speaker 1: I got a twenty dollars bill earning a hole in

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Speaker 1: my pocket.

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Speaker 6: I'm putting it on the Coles twenty What is that

589
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Speaker 6: one Starbucks drink twenty bucks two high roller enjoy.

590
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Speaker 7: Let me look it up. Riley Leonard, your guy.

591
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Speaker 6: Is gonna potentially be the starter for the first month

592
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Speaker 6: in Change in Indy. Woo very Josh Allen qualities, All right,

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Speaker 6: final story, speaking of bus Just kidding, that's all a

594
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Speaker 6: little harsh. Kyle Pitts sounds like he's gonna be franchise tagged.

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Speaker 6: According to multiple reports, I don't listen. I don't want

596
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Speaker 6: a bass pits. He was a stud coming out of college.

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Speaker 6: He just hasn't lived up the top ten hype. He's

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Speaker 6: got all the tools, he looks like the part, you

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Speaker 6: know when he lines up at tight end or wide

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Speaker 6: or in the slot.

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Speaker 7: He just hasn't really delivered.

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Speaker 6: I don't know how much you can pin on the

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Speaker 6: quarterback situation in Atlanta.

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Speaker 7: It's kind of been a revolving door.

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Speaker 1: It's one of those things. I've got a book on you.

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Speaker 1: After about three years in the league, he kind of

607
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Speaker 1: feels like a finesse guy blocking his optional he has.

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Speaker 1: He's a splash player. He'll have Sunday, he'll have half,

609
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:03,959
Speaker 1: he'll have moments, he'll have series. We're like, whoa, but

610
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Speaker 1: he came out. You know what he's always reminded me

611
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Speaker 1: of Andrew Wiggins that came out of Kansas basketball player,

612
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 1: is that you're looking at me and you're like, oh,

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Speaker 1: that can't bust. And Andrew Wiggins is not a bust.

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Speaker 1: He's good, but you just didn't feel like physically he

615
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:22,400
Speaker 1: was like he wasn't to be a tight end in

616
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Speaker 1: this league. You got to block, you got to have

617
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Speaker 1: some nasty. You got to be tough. Pitts feels like

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00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 1: he's a tweeter, like he's a tight end. He's got

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Speaker 1: a tight end body, but he actually if he was

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Speaker 1: a little faster, you'd put him a wide receiver. I

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Speaker 1: just feel like he's got the Andrew Wiggins thing. I'm

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Speaker 1: not denying his talent. He has his moments, but a

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Speaker 1: lot of times his catches just disappear into the tapestry

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Speaker 1: of a game and he has no impact. I remember

625
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 1: going watching when he played for was it Minnesota yet

626
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:56,200
Speaker 1: Andrew Wiggins and I went to a couple of Laker

627
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Speaker 1: and Clipper games, and it just so happened. I always

628
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:01,240
Speaker 1: got tickets to t Wolves games, and I told Scott Shapiro,

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Speaker 1: who's from Minnesota. He's on the Rodeo staff, and I

630
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 1: remember telling him, I'm like, dude, I've never seen anybody

631
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Speaker 1: that scores twenty six. And I drive home and I

632
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:10,480
Speaker 1: can't remember any of them. Yeah, I'm like, like certain

633
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 1: guys in the NBA they score twenty four and you

634
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 1: can feel all of their points, Like Jalen Brown's like

635
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 1: that for the Celtics, Like he'll get steals, dunks, he

636
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 1: scores at the right time. He's a big moment player,

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00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:27,200
Speaker 1: and then other guys just score and you can't remember

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Speaker 1: the points. And I feel like with Kyle Pitts, like

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Speaker 1: if you told me only had five catches today for

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Speaker 1: eighty yards, I'm like, yeah, I think he had one

641
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 1: in the first quarter. I don't really remember that. I'm honestly,

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Speaker 1: it's not a criticism, it just he disappears in games.

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Speaker 6: By the way, coming off fresh off vacation, the sun

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00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 6: was good for you. You're dropping sat vocabulary words, tapestry.

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00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:47,600
Speaker 6: I mean, that's pretty impressive.

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00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 1: Three Pitts of eighty seven eligible tight ends last year,

647
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 1: and according to PFF he was eighty fifth. And blocking,

648
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:57,720
Speaker 1: it's like they always like if you're not willing to block,

649
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 1: do you know how few co coaches in the end.

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Speaker 1: I remember that guy from the Dolphins a few years

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Speaker 1: ago was at Mike Caseki. Yeah, I thought he was excellent,

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Speaker 1: but it was like, why aren't they playing him more?

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Speaker 7: He couldn't block me coming off the edge.

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Speaker 1: That's right? That that that that was the knock on

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Speaker 1: Jimmy Graham when the Saints had him, and it worked

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Speaker 1: with Breeze and Sean Payton and Seattle went and got him.

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Speaker 1: He didn't fit Seattle's culture because Jimmy Graham's a great athlete.

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Speaker 1: He didn't want to block. And I feel like Kyle

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Speaker 1: Pitts is like he's sort of in the wrong position,

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Speaker 1: but he's so damn athletic. You're like, you draft him

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Speaker 1: because he's just he was like the eighth pick and

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Speaker 1: you're like, oh, that's I saw him at Florida. I'm like, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'll work in the NFL. He just lay. There's just

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Speaker 1: no there there with him, right, that soft label.

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Speaker 6: You know you're not giving that to Trey McBride or

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Speaker 6: bad Yeah, they're going to wreck you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah. J Mack with the news, Well that's the news,

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Speaker 2: and thanks for stopping by him.

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Speaker 1: I don't think that was a bad comp I like

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Speaker 1: Andrew Wiggins. He was part of that Warrior team that won,

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Speaker 1: but he just disappears in games and you're like, he

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Speaker 1: doesn't wantally want to put a body on it. You're

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Speaker 1: not gonna make a big defensive stop. But you know

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Speaker 1: he's talented. He's got a forty inch vertical And I

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Speaker 1: watched Kyle pitch and once in a while you'd run

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Speaker 1: a bootleg. You get it to him. He's out running everybody.

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Speaker 1: You're like, man, that dude's got talent. But it's you know,

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Speaker 1: they always say you gotta love football, not what football

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Speaker 1: provides for you. When you watch George Kittle, you're like

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Speaker 1: that guy loves football. When I watch Colston loved them

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Speaker 1: with the Bears, I'm like that guy loves football. And

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Speaker 1: they're just and then tight ends a position it demands

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Speaker 1: a lot. You're not only blocking guy. You have to

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Speaker 1: block like Pro Bowl defensive ends, nasty guys, and you

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Speaker 1: gotta put your hands on him. A lot of guys

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Speaker 1: just don't. They just don't have the intuition or the

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Speaker 1: want to do that in the NFL. You know, in

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Speaker 1: college at tight end, Iowa makes your block Utah, Kyle

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Speaker 1: Whittingham Michigan with hardball, he made his tight ends block.

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Speaker 1: You know a lot of these big twelve guys they're split. Now, Nah,

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Speaker 1: you get to the NFL. If you're not willing to block,

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Speaker 1: offensive coordinators don't want you on the field. They they'll

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Speaker 1: they'll take a less talent and tied end, put them

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Speaker 1: up against the tackle and just do me a favor.

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Speaker 1: Put your hands on somebody. Sam Donald Tomorrow It's gonna

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Speaker 1: be nice to see Sam Donald. Who knows he has

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Speaker 1: one loyal friend, one loyal ally in the media business.

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Speaker 1: Good to see Sam. Can't wait, man, I'm just I

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Speaker 1: don't know if I'll sleep tonight. That kind of you know,

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Speaker 1: all fired.

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Speaker 6: Up for him.

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Speaker 1: All right, j Mac, you put in some good some

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Speaker 1: good works to the appreciate it.

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Speaker 6: I like that, uh that tag on the screen. Number

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Speaker 6: one fan of Sam Donald's college cover.

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Speaker 1: We'll see you tomorrow. First things first, don't