1 00:00:02,480 --> 00:00:08,080 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news. 2 00:00:11,800 --> 00:00:14,680 Speaker 2: This is the Bloomberg Day bake At podcast, available every 3 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:17,680 Speaker 2: morning on Apple, Spotify or wherever you listen. It's Thursday, 4 00:00:17,720 --> 00:00:20,440 Speaker 2: the seventh of March in London. I'm Caroline Hepki and. 5 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:23,680 Speaker 3: I'm Stephen Carroll. Coming up today, the UK Chancellor announces 6 00:00:23,760 --> 00:00:27,120 Speaker 3: tax cuts for workers, but slow growth leaves little leeway 7 00:00:27,160 --> 00:00:28,400 Speaker 3: for future giveaways. 8 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:31,680 Speaker 2: The Office for Budget Responsibility says the UK is on 9 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:36,120 Speaker 2: track for a four percent Brexit hit to the economy. 10 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:37,519 Speaker 3: And Wall Street gets a big win as Your Own 11 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:41,640 Speaker 3: Power floats the idea of scrapping plans to raise capital requirements. 12 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:43,960 Speaker 2: Let's start with a roundup of our top stories. 13 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:47,440 Speaker 3: The UK's Chancellor has cut personal taxes for the second 14 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:50,559 Speaker 3: time in four months, spending ten billion pounds a year 15 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:54,040 Speaker 3: on reducing national insurance for millions of people. Here's what 16 00:00:54,120 --> 00:00:56,720 Speaker 3: Jeremy Hunt says it will mean for workers. 17 00:00:56,800 --> 00:01:01,480 Speaker 4: April sixth Employee National insurance will be cut by another 18 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:07,680 Speaker 4: two pee, from ten percent to eight percent. Self employed 19 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:11,520 Speaker 4: National insurance will be cut from eight percent to six percent. 20 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:15,520 Speaker 4: It means an additional four hundred and fifty pounds a 21 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:18,920 Speaker 4: year for the average employee or three hundred and fifty 22 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:20,640 Speaker 4: pounds for someone self employed. 23 00:01:21,319 --> 00:01:24,240 Speaker 3: Despite Jeremy Hunt's talk of giveaways, Head of Bloomberg Economic 24 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:27,760 Speaker 3: Stephanie Flanders says the Chancellor has taken a relatively cautious 25 00:01:27,800 --> 00:01:31,200 Speaker 3: approach to tax cuts and even then may still not 26 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:33,120 Speaker 3: meet his own fiscal rules. 27 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:36,440 Speaker 5: Even since twenty ten, the average headroom that Chancellor's given 28 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:39,040 Speaker 5: themselves is twenty seven billion, so that shows how tight 29 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:40,760 Speaker 5: it is. I think they think there's going to be 30 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:44,080 Speaker 5: a fifty four percent chance of them hitting it, which 31 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 5: means he's sort of slightly more likely than not to 32 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:49,360 Speaker 5: be hitting his rule. And of course you know at 33 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:51,320 Speaker 5: some level the rule itself is a really silly one. 34 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 5: It allows you to be raising debt every year. All 35 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 5: you need to do is show in the distant you know, 36 00:01:56,880 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 5: fifth year of the forecast that it's falling slightly, but 37 00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 5: then the next year you push it forward a year. 38 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:04,800 Speaker 5: You never actually lower the debt, so you know, it's 39 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:09,960 Speaker 5: certainly something that frustrates me. He recited the pledges that 40 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:12,040 Speaker 5: the chance that the Prime Minister had made at the 41 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:16,400 Speaker 5: beginning of last year, and the Prime Minister routinely claims 42 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:19,840 Speaker 5: that they're bringing debt down and it's not true. You 43 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:22,120 Speaker 5: know they have actually yet to reduce the. 44 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:25,959 Speaker 3: Debt Stephanie Flanders. Analysis comes as the Office for Budget 45 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:28,840 Speaker 3: Responsibility said the government's borrowing costs would only need to 46 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:32,640 Speaker 3: rise by zero point three percent for the Chancellor to 47 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:35,480 Speaker 3: run out of fiscal headroom. It comes as the UK 48 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 3: is planning one of its biggest annual borrowing sprees on record, 49 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 3: with the Debt Management Office planning to issue more than 50 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 3: two hundred and sixty five billion pounds worth of debt. 51 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 3: While Hunt pleased some with his announcement of lower taxes 52 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:50,519 Speaker 3: a British ISA and the end of the non dam 53 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:54,080 Speaker 3: tax status, his own party colleagues were underwhelmed by a 54 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:58,119 Speaker 3: package that will only marginally improve household living standards, which 55 00:02:58,160 --> 00:03:00,840 Speaker 3: are still lower than they were before the pandemic. 56 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 2: The Office of Budget Responsibility says that Brexit hit the 57 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:10,080 Speaker 2: UK economy is roughly what it forecasts. Despite the nay says, 58 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:14,720 Speaker 2: the budget watchdog expects leaving the EU to reduce Britain's 59 00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 2: productivity by four percent and to show a fifteen percent 60 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:21,960 Speaker 2: fall in trade. Bloomberg's James Wilcock has more. 61 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:25,200 Speaker 6: The OBR has long been accused of being a Debbie 62 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:29,760 Speaker 6: downer on Brexit forecasting an economic hit his business secretary 63 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:33,560 Speaker 6: Kenny Badenock, speaking to Bloomberg's UK Politics podcast way back 64 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:34,639 Speaker 6: in twenty twenty two. 65 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:37,800 Speaker 7: Yes, I do dispute the obr's forecast because what happens 66 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:40,760 Speaker 7: with trade depends on the actions that I am, my 67 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:44,320 Speaker 7: colleagues across governments take Right now. Thebr is probably making 68 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:47,120 Speaker 7: a forecast based on how we used to do things. 69 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 7: They don't know how we're going to be doing things. 70 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:52,320 Speaker 6: But in spite of what politicians might say, the independent 71 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 6: body says its negative scenario is unfolding as predicted, a 72 00:03:56,280 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 6: long term squeeze on economic potential and a falling goods 73 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:02,600 Speaker 6: traded compared head to other G seven countries in London, 74 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 6: James Wilcock Bloomberg Radio. 75 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 3: In the United States, the chair of the Federal Reserve 76 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:10,280 Speaker 3: as signal officials will scale back plans to make Wall 77 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:14,200 Speaker 3: Street banks hold more capital. Jerome Powell told US lawmakers 78 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:18,400 Speaker 3: it's possible the original government proposal could be completely reworked. 79 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:21,040 Speaker 8: I do expect that there will be broad and material 80 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 8: changes to the proposal. I'll add that I'm confident that 81 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:27,559 Speaker 8: the final product will be one that does have broad 82 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:31,400 Speaker 8: support both at the FED end and in the broader world. 83 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:35,240 Speaker 8: This would be a thoughtful, deliberative process. It's more important 84 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:37,520 Speaker 8: that we get this right than that we do it fast. 85 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:41,120 Speaker 3: Federal Reserve charg Jerome Powell, speaking to the House Financial 86 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:45,480 Speaker 3: Services Committee. Industry groups have spent months lobbying against the changes. 87 00:04:45,839 --> 00:04:48,240 Speaker 3: Powell and other senior FED officials will need to vote 88 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:50,719 Speaker 3: on a final plan before the rules can be implemented. 89 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:53,920 Speaker 2: New York Community Bank has raised more than a billion 90 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:56,800 Speaker 2: dollars in equity. The capital injection was led by the 91 00:04:56,839 --> 00:05:02,520 Speaker 2: former US Treasury Secretary Steve Manuchin's firm Strategic Capital, alongside others. 92 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 2: Manuchin said that he believes the struggling lend that now 93 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:09,120 Speaker 2: has enough capital. The news comes after the Securities and 94 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 2: Exchange Commission Chair Gary Gensler called for greater transparency from banks. 95 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:15,800 Speaker 9: In the role I'm in. I'm not going to comment 96 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:20,000 Speaker 9: on any one registrant or file er, but many banks 97 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:23,839 Speaker 9: for public companies, those banks need to make sure that 98 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:27,680 Speaker 9: they make full, fair and truthful disclosures to the public 99 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 9: so that the public can make their investment decisions. 100 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:36,279 Speaker 2: SEC Chair Gary Againster, speaking there NYCB also named Joseph Otting, 101 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:39,440 Speaker 2: the former control of the currency, as its new chief 102 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:40,320 Speaker 2: executive officer. 103 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:43,440 Speaker 3: The European Central Bank is expected to hold interest rates 104 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:45,920 Speaker 3: at a record high at its meeting today. While price 105 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:48,720 Speaker 3: rises continue to cool in the euro Area, Officials are 106 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 3: focused on wages, which are still advancing at more than 107 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:55,600 Speaker 3: double the ECB's two percent inflation target. Blimberg's Max Ramsey 108 00:05:55,640 --> 00:05:56,720 Speaker 3: has more from Frankfurt. 109 00:05:57,120 --> 00:05:59,440 Speaker 10: The market is position for interest rates to stay on 110 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:02,200 Speaker 10: hold today, keeping the deposit rate and its record high 111 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:05,440 Speaker 10: of four percent. That's been widely telegraphed by members of 112 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:08,600 Speaker 10: the ECB's Governing Council. But of course the press conference 113 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:12,080 Speaker 10: from President Christine Legard will still be closely watched. Will 114 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:14,719 Speaker 10: be on the lookout for any signals on the potential 115 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:17,960 Speaker 10: timing of a first cut. We'll also get new quarterly 116 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:20,920 Speaker 10: economic projections at this meeting, so we'll see how that 117 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:24,600 Speaker 10: plays in to the ECB's thinking. In Frankfurt, Max Ramsey 118 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 10: Bloomberg Radio. 119 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:29,479 Speaker 2: The US military says that three people have died in 120 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 2: a missile strike on a commercial ship in the Gulf 121 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:35,960 Speaker 2: of Aden. They are the first crew members killed since 122 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:39,400 Speaker 2: the militant started attack and container vessels in one of 123 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:42,360 Speaker 2: the world's busiest sea lanes. The Huthis say that they 124 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:45,839 Speaker 2: will keep targeting ships linked to Israel, the US and 125 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:49,760 Speaker 2: UK in the region until Israel quote and its aggression 126 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:54,760 Speaker 2: in Gaza ends. Many commercial vessels are avoiding the region 127 00:06:54,839 --> 00:06:56,159 Speaker 2: due to the instability. 128 00:06:56,960 --> 00:07:00,080 Speaker 3: Deutsche Bank has cut bonuses by more than ten per 129 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:03,600 Speaker 3: and its investment banking division after a slump in deals 130 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:07,440 Speaker 3: and slow down in trading. The German lenders bonus pool 131 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:11,280 Speaker 3: was down by around five percent overall, with merger and 132 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:15,280 Speaker 3: acquisition advisors facing some of the harshest cuts, according to 133 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:18,480 Speaker 3: sources that spoke with Bloomberg. James von Mulco warned in 134 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:21,920 Speaker 3: January that variable pay for last year would reflect would 135 00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 3: reflect performance and the difficult market for the investment bank. 136 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 3: Revenue declined by nine percent last year, driven by a 137 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 3: thirty eight percent drop on the advisory business and an 138 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:36,120 Speaker 3: eleven percent fall in trading revenue. Well a moment, we'll 139 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:38,280 Speaker 3: get more in the business reaction to the budget plus 140 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:41,560 Speaker 3: the changes to mooted changes to regulation of Wall Street banks. 141 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:44,280 Speaker 3: The story that caught our eye this morning. I look 142 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:49,960 Speaker 3: inside Apple's decision to shut down its Apple car program 143 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:52,960 Speaker 3: a billion dollars a year into a car that it 144 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:56,840 Speaker 3: never built. This is an inside story of how that 145 00:07:56,920 --> 00:08:02,440 Speaker 3: decision came about. In Apple are reporting looking at sort 146 00:08:02,440 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 3: of how the company decided to make a decision to 147 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:06,760 Speaker 3: scrap this project. 148 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 4: Yeah. 149 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:09,520 Speaker 2: Look, it's a night watering sum because actually the billion 150 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:12,480 Speaker 2: dollars a year is only the start of what Apple 151 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:14,720 Speaker 2: put into this. Now, this is a deep dive. It's 152 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:17,400 Speaker 2: part of our big take this morning is also in 153 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:20,560 Speaker 2: Bluebeg Business Week. It's by Mark German and Drake Bennett. 154 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 2: I mean, Mark has broken so many of the major 155 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:27,200 Speaker 2: Apple stories, but this includes the fact that I hadn't 156 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:31,160 Speaker 2: understood that way back when Apple could have thought about 157 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:34,200 Speaker 2: even buying Tesla and even thought about buying one of 158 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:38,200 Speaker 2: the other old school carmakers in Detroit, you know, back 159 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:40,559 Speaker 2: when there was the sort of virtual collapse of the 160 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:44,640 Speaker 2: big Detroit car makers, but decided against. But their conclusion, 161 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:47,640 Speaker 2: which I think is quite interesting and perhaps the whole 162 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:51,240 Speaker 2: point of this is, you know that it's a story 163 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:54,960 Speaker 2: about the indecision of Apple when it comes to, you know, 164 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:58,120 Speaker 2: trying to create this car, perhaps buy a business, a 165 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:01,800 Speaker 2: bolt on acquisition that have created the vision of an 166 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:02,480 Speaker 2: Apple car. 167 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, really interesting story. It's today's Boomberg Big take. How 168 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 3: Apple sank about a billion dollars a year into a 169 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:09,679 Speaker 3: car that it never built. Worth a read if you've 170 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:10,560 Speaker 3: got time this morning. 171 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:11,959 Speaker 7: Now. 172 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:16,559 Speaker 2: Shares in UK financial services companies rows yesterday on Wednesday, 173 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:19,559 Speaker 2: after Jeremy Hunt announced the creation of a British ISA 174 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:22,959 Speaker 2: which will give savers an additional five thousand pounds tax 175 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:27,160 Speaker 2: free allowance to invest in UK stocks. Not everyone was impressed. 176 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:31,160 Speaker 2: Dan Mutzuski, who is the UK managing director at the 177 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:34,880 Speaker 2: retail trading platform e Toro, he warned against the risk 178 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:39,079 Speaker 2: of investing in low yielding UK companies to avoid taxes 179 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:44,040 Speaker 2: on the returns from those investments. Joining us now to 180 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:47,200 Speaker 2: sift through what it all means for UK companies is 181 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:51,960 Speaker 2: our business reporter Meddings Saber, Good morning. How has this 182 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:52,800 Speaker 2: been received? 183 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:53,120 Speaker 11: Then? 184 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:56,160 Speaker 2: Is it even going to move the needle when it 185 00:09:56,240 --> 00:10:00,560 Speaker 2: comes to the depth of UK capital markets shoes that 186 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:00,960 Speaker 2: we have? 187 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:04,199 Speaker 11: Good morning, thank you. I mean, first of all, I 188 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 11: would say it's pretty light on details. They're going to consult, 189 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:10,360 Speaker 11: but you know it's only going only going to be 190 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:13,760 Speaker 11: people with more than twenty thousand pounds saved that will 191 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:17,640 Speaker 11: actually be able to benefit. Likely that means one point 192 00:10:17,679 --> 00:10:19,839 Speaker 11: six million people in the UK maxed out their ICE 193 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 11: for Alliance. 194 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:22,400 Speaker 12: And the latest figures which were work. 195 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:24,800 Speaker 11: For twenty twenty one, so they are sort of quite 196 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:25,680 Speaker 11: slim numbers. 197 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:27,880 Speaker 12: Another thing would be sort of how. 198 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:30,560 Speaker 11: Do you decide what are UK equities will funds be 199 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:33,679 Speaker 11: allowed to invest? So there's not quite enough detail yet 200 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:35,000 Speaker 11: to know the full impact. 201 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:38,520 Speaker 3: So about ahead of the budget, the Treasury had also 202 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 3: announced that it would require pension funds to publicly disclose 203 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:46,120 Speaker 3: how much they invest in UK businesses. What more did 204 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:47,320 Speaker 3: we learn about this? 205 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:51,360 Speaker 11: Again it was it was kind of perhaps less than 206 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:53,320 Speaker 11: we thought. I mean, there was more stick than carrot. 207 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:56,320 Speaker 11: He did say that yeah, DC and local government pension 208 00:10:56,320 --> 00:10:58,559 Speaker 11: funds would have to say how much they invest. 209 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:01,240 Speaker 12: They'll need to disclose their net. 210 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:05,319 Speaker 11: Returns, helping people make a better comparison between various funds. 211 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:07,680 Speaker 11: But yeah, it was definitely perhaps not as much as 212 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:09,840 Speaker 11: people expected and again more stick than carrot. 213 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:15,280 Speaker 2: Hunt also announced the effective end of the non dom regime, 214 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:18,040 Speaker 2: so that's set to come into effect in April twenty 215 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:22,640 Speaker 2: twenty five. Sort of taking a labor policy you're saying 216 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:25,319 Speaker 2: that it was actually rigidly conservative one or trying to 217 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:27,480 Speaker 2: pass it off that way. How important is that the 218 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:29,720 Speaker 2: non domicile tax regime. 219 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:34,240 Speaker 11: Well, that means that we should expect an extra two 220 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:37,000 Speaker 11: point seven billion in tax by twenty twenty eight. What 221 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:40,040 Speaker 11: we don't know is how much people will bring back 222 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:44,240 Speaker 11: to the UK. There's various kind of softer landing they 223 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:47,200 Speaker 11: can sort of bring some money back and pay a 224 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:49,520 Speaker 11: lower tax rate on that, So we don't know how 225 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:51,440 Speaker 11: much they might bring and obviously if they did, that 226 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:53,880 Speaker 11: would give more money to sort of vest and spend 227 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:57,079 Speaker 11: in the UK. But yeah, I mean from year five 228 00:11:57,160 --> 00:12:00,520 Speaker 11: people will need to pay tax in the UK on doms, 229 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:02,640 Speaker 11: so it is going to have a large impact. 230 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:06,440 Speaker 3: What about more Broadlea's about the business reaction to the budgets. 231 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:09,920 Speaker 11: I mean, I can't say anything more of exciting than 232 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:13,680 Speaker 11: quite underwhelming. I think, you know, business obviously got a 233 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:17,720 Speaker 11: great boost in the autumn statement, and yesterday there certainly 234 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:21,080 Speaker 11: hasn't been the same kind of responses from business as 235 00:12:21,080 --> 00:12:23,200 Speaker 11: sort of saying you know, there are a few things 236 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:27,200 Speaker 11: to help small businesses. Chevron have a land at the 237 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:29,880 Speaker 11: BCC said it was always going to deliver less for business. 238 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:32,640 Speaker 12: There is help on childca which obviously. 239 00:12:32,679 --> 00:12:35,960 Speaker 11: Indirectly helps business, and the CBI has welcomed that, But 240 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:39,600 Speaker 11: aside from things like the alcohol duty, there wasn't any 241 00:12:39,640 --> 00:12:44,559 Speaker 11: help for the hospitality pubs and restaurants, and they've been causing. 242 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:45,199 Speaker 12: Quite a clamor on that. 243 00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:49,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, so well, thank you so much for being 244 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:50,840 Speaker 2: with us and helping us to sift through them. The 245 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:53,880 Speaker 2: reactions to Jeremy Hunt's budget, I mean underwhelming on one hand, 246 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:56,240 Speaker 2: or just sort of making the best of a bad hand. 247 00:12:56,280 --> 00:12:58,920 Speaker 2: At least it was steady. Those seemed to be the 248 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:02,680 Speaker 2: sort of reactions this morning. Sabah Meddings is our business 249 00:13:02,679 --> 00:13:04,080 Speaker 2: report Who in London. 250 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:06,960 Speaker 3: Turning to Wall Street banks and them and the cusp 251 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:11,000 Speaker 3: of sweeping regulatory victory after Jerome Power signal officials will 252 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:13,800 Speaker 3: scale back plans to make them hold more capital. The 253 00:13:13,880 --> 00:13:16,880 Speaker 3: FED chair told a panel in Congress that he's a 254 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:20,280 Speaker 3: no rush to lower rates, though doing so will probably 255 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:23,160 Speaker 3: be appropriate at some point this year. Blomber of Curty 256 00:13:23,160 --> 00:13:24,880 Speaker 3: Group does with us for more on this morning to you, 257 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:28,880 Speaker 3: Creti so pals intervention on banking regulation looks pretty significant. 258 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:31,679 Speaker 3: The Fed looked to be pretty intractable on this issue. 259 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:32,240 Speaker 5: Before they did. 260 00:13:32,280 --> 00:13:34,319 Speaker 1: And look, I think the context is everything here in 261 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:36,000 Speaker 1: the last twelve months, I want to say it's been 262 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:38,720 Speaker 1: a little over twelve months here, But twelve months ago 263 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:41,440 Speaker 1: we were talking about a potential repeat of the global 264 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:43,880 Speaker 1: financial crisis. That was the narrative in the markets coming 265 00:13:43,880 --> 00:13:46,280 Speaker 1: off of the Silicon Valley Bank stress. So you did 266 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:48,960 Speaker 1: see this idea that maybe the capital buffers needed to 267 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:51,840 Speaker 1: be bigger and stronger. And this was also coming at 268 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:54,240 Speaker 1: a time when the markets were kind of going haywire, 269 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:57,079 Speaker 1: which meant that trading profits were really increasing. Some of 270 00:13:57,120 --> 00:13:59,360 Speaker 1: these big banks make a lot of money when there 271 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:01,000 Speaker 1: is volatility because at the end of day, they are 272 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:03,199 Speaker 1: market makers, so they actually benefit from some of the 273 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:05,600 Speaker 1: chaos that you see in the markets. On top of that, 274 00:14:05,640 --> 00:14:08,680 Speaker 1: they are increasingly leveraged as well, so that on top 275 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:10,720 Speaker 1: of these cracks you were seeing on Silicon Valley Bank 276 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:12,640 Speaker 1: and concerned about whether or not that would be the 277 00:14:12,679 --> 00:14:15,679 Speaker 1: first of a wider domino effect, we're all kind of 278 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:17,280 Speaker 1: leading to this idea that we are going to do 279 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:20,480 Speaker 1: everything in our power to stop a global financial crisis. 280 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:22,920 Speaker 1: Two point zero. That is not the case anymore, because 281 00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:25,400 Speaker 1: it's quite clear that one, the Silicon Valley bank story 282 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:28,000 Speaker 1: was not as widespread, and the regional banking crisis was 283 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:31,400 Speaker 1: not as widespread as initially thought to The capital buffers 284 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:34,520 Speaker 1: have actually been helping a lot of these banks stay 285 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:38,040 Speaker 1: afloat and are doing so in a way that it 286 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:41,640 Speaker 1: doesn't indicate that more are needed. And three American resilience, 287 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:44,120 Speaker 1: specifically from the consumer, but also in terms of being 288 00:14:44,120 --> 00:14:46,200 Speaker 1: able to pay back some of the loans that a 289 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 1: lot of these banks are exposed to. I think about mortgages, 290 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:51,560 Speaker 1: think about auto loans for example, even student debt. They're 291 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:55,080 Speaker 1: actually making the returns there aren't cracksier. Delinquencies are actually 292 00:14:55,080 --> 00:14:57,240 Speaker 1: lower than they have been in ages. Some of that 293 00:14:57,320 --> 00:14:59,440 Speaker 1: is kind of the hangover from the stimulus, but some 294 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:01,600 Speaker 1: of that is risk showing the banks are kind of 295 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:02,440 Speaker 1: doing okay right now. 296 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:05,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, that's the positive side. But hang on a second. 297 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:08,840 Speaker 2: Jamie Diamond and Wall Street CEO's it been lobbying incredibly 298 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:11,600 Speaker 2: hard on this warning that it would put US banks 299 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:14,560 Speaker 2: at a disadvantage compared to their upan rivals. I mean, 300 00:15:14,640 --> 00:15:18,040 Speaker 2: is they're not so detecting a bit of lobbying influence too. 301 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:21,560 Speaker 1: Oh, absolutely, And it's interesting because even the lobbyists were 302 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:24,920 Speaker 1: quite surprised at the one eighty that j Powell had taken, 303 00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:26,360 Speaker 1: and you're right, it did just give you the full 304 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:28,720 Speaker 1: positive story. The other side of this really comes down 305 00:15:28,760 --> 00:15:31,200 Speaker 1: to the leverage issue, and that's where a lot of 306 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:33,720 Speaker 1: this is so different. Remember, the more leverage you are, 307 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:35,560 Speaker 1: the more risks you can take, and in theory, the 308 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:38,400 Speaker 1: more benefits you can accrue. And that trade has been 309 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:40,680 Speaker 1: going to the benefit of a lot of these US banks. 310 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:43,240 Speaker 1: It can also very quickly go sideways if you start 311 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:46,080 Speaker 1: to see cracks emerge if that recessionary narrative takes on 312 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:49,880 Speaker 1: a bigger hold. But Jamie Diamond is right in advocating 313 00:15:49,880 --> 00:15:52,080 Speaker 1: for his own bank and that the more leverage you 314 00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:54,200 Speaker 1: want and the more that you can invest, the more 315 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:55,880 Speaker 1: return that you can get, as opposed to just kind 316 00:15:55,880 --> 00:15:58,160 Speaker 1: of holding it steady. And the way that this initial 317 00:15:58,160 --> 00:15:59,880 Speaker 1: plan was going to work was that if there is 318 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:04,440 Speaker 1: sort of bailout that's necessary, the bigger banks pay kind 319 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:07,400 Speaker 1: of a pro rated amount to this fund that ultimately, 320 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:11,600 Speaker 1: should they need it, bails out smaller banks. Jamie Damond 321 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:12,960 Speaker 1: of course be taking the brunt of that hip. 322 00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:17,000 Speaker 3: This is Bloomberg Daybreak Europe. 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