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Speaker 3: we returned to the world of the La County Sheriff's Department.

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Speaker 3: We threw Robert Lunar on the dumpster on Friday, in

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Speaker 3: case you missed that, because of his chicken way of

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Speaker 3: standing with the activists when it came to an incident

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Speaker 3: that occurred in Lancaster after a couple was shoplifting at

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Speaker 3: a grocery store and got violent and then.

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Speaker 1: The encounter with the deputies got violent.

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Speaker 3: Your puppet, Yes, Sheriff Luna, We take very seriously, all

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Speaker 3: complaints of police brutality. So we've got another story and

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Speaker 3: a fresh video that accompanies it, because it happened back

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Speaker 3: in February in Wittier as a man complaining that he

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Speaker 3: was thrown to the ground and punched, and the alleged

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Speaker 3: reason for the traffic stop is is an air freshener.

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Speaker 1: Let's bring on Steve gres So this is a weird story.

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Speaker 2: It is a transgender guy, an air freshener, somebody, some

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Speaker 2: deputy getting flipped off.

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Speaker 1: What's what? Well, let's go back.

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Speaker 2: So I mean, first of all, the video that it

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Speaker 2: hit you know, most everyone has probably seen by now.

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Speaker 2: That was the video was sourced by the attorney for

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Speaker 2: this person that we're talking about. This is Emmett Brock,

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Speaker 2: who identifies as transgender.

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Speaker 1: But we'll get to that in a moment.

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Speaker 2: So this is a a woman identifying as a man,

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Speaker 2: true trans man. So when this happened on February tenth,

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Speaker 2: so Brock claims that he was driving down the street

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Speaker 2: and noticed this deputy what he characterized as berating a

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Speaker 2: black woman during a traffic stop. Berating that's all all

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Speaker 2: that is, Ali said, and that.

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Speaker 1: He couldn't hear anything.

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Speaker 2: He just saw the gestures apparently so, so Brock flips

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Speaker 2: off the deputy. So Brock continues to drive on and

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Speaker 2: moments later sees in the rear view sees the Arla

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Speaker 2: County Sheriff's SUV and pulls into the seven to eleven.

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Speaker 2: The SUV pulls behind. The SUV pulls up behind the

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Speaker 2: Brock gets out of his vehicle right away. Now you've

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Speaker 2: the deputy's like, I just pulled you over. Brock says, no,

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Speaker 2: you didn't. That's audio you hear on there. So two

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Speaker 2: red flags. One, what are you? What were you taught?

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Speaker 2: You know when you got your license? And then a

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Speaker 2: things you were taught don't flip them off? Well there's

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Speaker 2: well that's that, but that's a different issue to talk

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Speaker 2: about that. Don't get out of your vehicles. Just stay

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Speaker 2: in your car. Stay in your car. Yeah, unless you're

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Speaker 2: told to get out. Keep your hands in front of

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Speaker 2: for a weapon. The other thing in the video too,

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Speaker 2: is you see Brock attempt to walk away, and so

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Speaker 2: he was ignoring the cop. That's the other thing you

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Speaker 2: don't really do. Now here's the thing. It was not

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Speaker 2: in the report. I was told by sources with close

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Speaker 2: because that's what's being said. What did he chase this

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Speaker 2: an uh. The traffic stop was related to the air freshener.

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Speaker 2: And the reason I'm stuttering here is because I'm looking

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Speaker 1: I can't believe that. Here's the thing.

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Speaker 2: He's in the middle of some altercation with another woman.

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Speaker 2: He sees this guy go by. I'm talking about the deputy, right.

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Speaker 2: The deputy's involved with this other woman that he's allegedly berating.

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Speaker 1: He sees this.

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Speaker 1: It's blocking its view and then it chases him into

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Speaker 3: Be that we know that's an excuse to find this guy.

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Speaker 1: So here's the thing.

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Speaker 2: The traffic's yeah, yeah, okay, So here's okay. I'm not

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Speaker 2: it might have been the most ridiculous reason to pull

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Speaker 2: make sense sure now and getting that violent over an

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Speaker 2: of interesting about the way this lays out the Again,

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Speaker 2: I'm not defending actions. I'm giving you perspective, and my

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Speaker 2: resist facts, so much so that he was charged by

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Speaker 2: with assault. So if it wasn't that big of a deal,

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Speaker 2: or it wasn't that serious, then I don't know that

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Speaker 2: the DA, especially being as sort of anti coop as

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Speaker 2: would have gone that far. Furthermore, the deputy was cleared,

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Speaker 2: or in this case they call it the use of

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Speaker 1: Oh that that may be true, it's all. Here's the thing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And so what was when I cause I was

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Speaker 2: pushing back on the two sources I've talked to about

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Speaker 2: this today. I pushed back and I'm like, come on, really,

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Speaker 2: an air frickin freshener, I mean really, And then and

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Speaker 2: they say, listen again, the deputy might have been in

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Speaker 2: the wrong on that. It could have been completely retaliatory

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Speaker 2: in nature. The deputy might have been pissed. The deputy

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Speaker 2: was most likely going to go up and give him

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Speaker 1: Fine.

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Speaker 2: And by the way, flipping off a law enforcement officer

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Speaker 2: is completely protected under the First Amendment, And especially if

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Speaker 3: Pretty clear he made an excuse to pull him over

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Speaker 3: it and give it.

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Speaker 2: I just wouldn't recommend it, right, And then that's what

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Speaker 2: I'm saying. So the actions up to that point, I mean,

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Speaker 2: it and the way it was explained to me, you

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Speaker 2: have to extract the two with the deputy's actions. Because

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Speaker 2: what I've asked now on the inquiry I made that

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Speaker 2: I've not gotten an answer from yet is was the

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Speaker 2: deputy disciplined at all with any with respect to any

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Speaker 2: actions in this case or in this event. I have

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Speaker 2: not been told yet whether that's the case. So if

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Speaker 2: the deputy did what he did because he was going

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Speaker 2: to go up and give him a piece of his mind,

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Speaker 2: fine whatever, But you don't get out of the vehicle

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Speaker 2: right away, and you don't mean you don't ignore the

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, Zeeve, I read a little bit more on

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Speaker 3: this story. Okay, the Emmet Brock version. Sure, He claims

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Speaker 3: that the deputy began tailing him, no lights, no sirens.

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Speaker 3: He claims he called nine to one one right to

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Speaker 3: try to get help because he wasn't sure what's going on,

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Speaker 3: and of course the night would go on. Operator he says,

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Speaker 3: if you haven't pulled you over, what's the problem. And

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Speaker 3: then he claims he pulls into the seven eleven, the

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Speaker 3: a police stopped to him because it didn't look official

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Speaker 3: or anything. He just pulled into the seven eleven. Guy

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Speaker 3: have his car to get a soda. He comes out

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Speaker 3: and the cops they are ready to confront him. That's

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Speaker 3: his version right now. I can keep going or you

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Speaker 1: Well all you got more, We'll keep on.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's just the thing is, I've got more

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Speaker 2: information here that I can offer to this.

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Speaker 3: Okay, and did you mention that the deputy claims he

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Speaker 3: got bit.

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Speaker 2: I've got more information on this. Oh okay, he'd make

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Speaker 2: a good bureaucrat. And what about I mean covering him

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Speaker 2: long enough?

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Speaker 3: Brox claimed that they made him show us Genitalia has.

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Speaker 1: More information over that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, there's a lot more. All right, Johnny Ken,

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Speaker 2: We continue with Steve Gregory, who is so we're going

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Speaker 2: through the odyssey of this shriff's deputy who pulled over

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Speaker 2: a transgender man and.

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Speaker 3: Was allegedly for having an air freshener blocking his rear

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Speaker 2: Now there was the story that this guy told that

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Speaker 2: he flipped off a cop. Do we know if he

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Speaker 2: flipped off the cop who? According to what I was told,

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Speaker 2: is that the deputy didn't remember anything like that happening,

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Speaker 2: didn't remember that the person even flipped him off. In fact,

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Speaker 2: it was suggested there were two other agencies doing traffic

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Speaker 2: is is that the deputy. I mean, I don't know

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Speaker 2: anything the history on this deputy. I don't know anything

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Speaker 2: they have a if the deputy had a proclivity of

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Speaker 2: I don't know any of that. All I know is

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Speaker 2: that it was the deputy's assertion that he wasn't necessarily

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Speaker 2: he didn't necessarily see this guy flipping them off, or

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Speaker 2: wouldn't have been conscious or aware of it.

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Speaker 1: I guess.

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Speaker 2: So the guy kind of flipped off a CHP officer

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Speaker 2: or a Whittier It could very well have been PD

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Speaker 3: But he claims this guy was tailing him for a

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Speaker 3: while before they got into that parking lot. That's a

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Speaker 3: little odd. He didn't turn on his sirens or lights.

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Speaker 1: Have you ever been trailed by a cop? Oh?

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Speaker 2: I have plenty of times. Really, Yeah, they'll fall in

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Speaker 2: behind me and what they'll do is it. There's got

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Speaker 2: to be a reason.

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Speaker 1: To do it.

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Speaker 2: There's got to be a probable cause, There's got to

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Speaker 1: But I think what I'm.

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Speaker 3: Saying is that it's got to be the same cop,

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Speaker 3: because why would he just pick this.

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Speaker 1: Guy out again? I don't know.

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Speaker 2: And you're right, it seems awfully suspicious when you think

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Speaker 1: Think we all know what happened here.

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Speaker 3: The deputy was ticked because he gave him the finger,

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Speaker 2: If you see the video, he's getting out of the car,

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Speaker 3: Not everybody, not everybody knows not to get out of

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Speaker 3: If he really pulled somebody over because he's pissed and

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Speaker 2: But I will tell you that when I was growing up,

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Speaker 2: that's just it doesn't matter what took you to that point.

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Speaker 1: On it all right, Well, why didn't I think of this? Right?

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Speaker 3: Here is the answer to all of California's drug addiction problems.

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Speaker 3: Did you hear about this? The answer is gift cards.

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Speaker 1: I saw that. Is this the stupidest? Is this the

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Speaker 3: Cal Matters has done a big story on this. San

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Speaker 3: Francisco's General Hospital has a drug clinic to treat people who,

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Speaker 3: of course, have been hooked on meth, which can leave

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Speaker 1: They felt powerless.

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Speaker 3: The medical director of the program said, people were just

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Speaker 3: dying in front of us. Well, you know, we've talked

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Speaker 3: about this before. You could call it the homeless industrial complex,

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Speaker 3: in this case, the drug addiction industrial complex. They come

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Speaker 3: And the one I learned today, John is contingency management.

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Speaker 3: That means you reward people with financial incentives every time

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Speaker 3: they drug test negative. So that's what's happening in this

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Speaker 3: trial at the US Department of Veteran Affairs. If you

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Speaker 3: come in and turn over your urine and you're clean,

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Speaker 3: you're going to get yourself a gift card, and they're

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Speaker 1: I don't believe that.

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Speaker 2: I don't know how they's going to be Methamfetamine is

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Speaker 1: Once your brain has accepted meth. And that's what they

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Speaker 3: They want to replace the drug reward system to the

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Speaker 1: It's pretty but they it says here.

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Speaker 2: At San Francisco General Hospital, every time you test negative,

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Speaker 2: you'll get a ten dollars gift card to Walmart. Now,

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Speaker 2: a ten dollars gift card is going to replace a

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Speaker 2: meth high. What are you gonna buy at Walmart for

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Speaker 2: ten dollars? That'll feel as good as meth? Well, some

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Speaker 2: people come in a few times a week. They could

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Speaker 2: accumulate thirty bucks, No, and buy what?

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Speaker 3: Oh, the amount of the gift card will increase to

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Speaker 3: a maximum of twenty six dollars and fifty cents per test.

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Speaker 1: But what are you gonna buy?

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Speaker 3: You could only earn a maximum of six hundred dollars

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Speaker 3: over the whole program.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, five ninety nine.

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Speaker 3: Because the irs gets involved with its six hundred dollars

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Speaker 3: in more in payments.

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Speaker 2: They could cash those in and just buy more meth.

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Speaker 2: You can sell them to people. I mean, I think

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Speaker 2: that's I think this whole thing is absurd. I can't

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Speaker 2: believe anybody proposes this, that there's a story written about it,

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Speaker 2: that that that they're treading it as something legitimate. That's

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Speaker 2: just not possible. Meth addiction is way way more powerful

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Speaker 2: than bribing them with a ten dollars Walmart card.

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Speaker 3: The program has tested more than sixty three hundred veterans

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Speaker 3: and so far it's eighty two thousand urine samples. Ninety

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Speaker 3: two percent were negative for the targeted drug. Is it

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Speaker 3: because they're veterans? They might be any little more interested in.

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Speaker 1: But how long is that? Staying clean?

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Speaker 4: You have to give them.

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Speaker 1: You have to give Walmart gift cards for the rest

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Speaker 1: of their their lives.

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Speaker 3: I know, I don't believe they could fall back into

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Speaker 3: old habits.

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Speaker 1: If you can only give six hundred dollars worth, it's

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Speaker 1: not going to last long.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: This doctor involved says that we're replacing the reward of

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Speaker 3: patient's brain craze, which is the drug with a different

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Speaker 3: type of prize.

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Speaker 1: It triggers the reward.

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Speaker 3: Place in the brain that I otherwise might be turning

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Speaker 3: to the drug. Yeah, I agree with you.

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Speaker 2: I thought, what kind of a very different things. If

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Speaker 2: you want a ten dollar gift certificate, what kind of

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Speaker 2: high do you get? I don't get one.

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Speaker 3: Uh you know, well, you're not indigent and desperate, and

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Speaker 3: these are property doesn't they're homeless people.

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Speaker 1: Can't even get You can't even get lunch for ten dollars.

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Speaker 3: Well, you can get twenty six dollars and fifty cents eventually,

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Speaker 3: and you can probably get more than one card a week.

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Speaker 2: Try getting a subway sandwich, chips, and a soda for

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Speaker 2: ten bucks.

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Speaker 1: You can't.

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Speaker 3: Hey, if this works, I'm not gonna knock it, but

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Speaker 3: I agree with you, this has to be studied. I

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Speaker 3: don't believe it more in the long run, because the problem.

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Speaker 2: They have with meth is that it is nearly impossible

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Speaker 2: to get people off it, and it causes such kind

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Speaker 2: of such devastating brain damage that you know you're permanently

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Speaker 2: disabled from it. I mean, you see it in the streets.

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Speaker 2: Although otherwise, why aren't they walking around handing out these

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Speaker 2: ten dollars gift cards everybody in the street.

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Speaker 1: If this work so well, why isn't it spread around?

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Speaker 1: They've been cleaning.

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Speaker 3: They've been doing this for twelve years. Sixty three hundred

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Speaker 3: veterans over twelve years, though, isn't a lot per year?

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Speaker 3: And it never got any notice? Now it did from

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Speaker 3: cal matters.

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Speaker 1: But right, but.

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Speaker 3: They of twenty two studies testing contingency management's impact on

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Speaker 3: stimulate addiction, eighty two percent reported significant increases in participants abstinence.

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Speaker 1: According to a Journal of American Medical.

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Speaker 2: Position, Is it just for that short period that they

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Speaker 2: give out the gift cards? What happens six months later?

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Speaker 2: Nine months later they.

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Speaker 1: Go back to meth? Not all of them will, but some, yes.

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Speaker 1: I have read that the success rate getting people off

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Speaker 1: math is very low. All right, we got more coming up.

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Speaker 3: John and Ken KFI AM six forty Live everywhere iHeartRadio app.

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Speaker 4: You're listening to John and Ken on demand from k

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Speaker 4: AM six forty.

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Speaker 2: I went to a website that has statistics on crystal

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Speaker 2: meth recovery and it says it's a medical site. Eighty

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Speaker 2: eight percent of crystal meth users will relapse in the

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Speaker 2: first one to three years of their recovery.

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Speaker 3: After that crystal method is much it's even more highly

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Speaker 3: addictively in ordinary method that form of.

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Speaker 1: It, oh eighty eight percent, because you know what, it

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Speaker 1: changes your brain and it makes you makes you so

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Speaker 1: crazy from the brain damage you have to take more

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Speaker 1: meth to calm yourself.

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Speaker 3: Anything sillier than listen to people obsessed this morning over

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Speaker 3: what happened to Twitter that the bird's been replaced by

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Speaker 3: an ex ert.

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Speaker 1: People pretty worked up.

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Speaker 2: I thought, of I think the whole thing's so stupid.

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Speaker 2: I thought the whole Twitter company has been been maronic

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Speaker 2: from day one. I don't understand the appeal of reading

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Speaker 2: other people's stupid opinions and comments.

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Speaker 1: There agreed, you get it. I don't get it. Well,

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Speaker 1: why why are you?

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Speaker 2: Why are you gonna have an argument with strangers about politics?

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Speaker 2: Or why do you want to read strangers but lonely?

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Speaker 2: They want to be connected to something.

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Speaker 1: People have like useless, worthless lots.

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Speaker 3: Other people are combat of other people are trolls. There's

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Speaker 3: all types out there that that's a really stupid form

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Speaker 3: of entertainment. We move from Twitter to TikTok, where the

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Speaker 3: latest rage seems to be uh ingesting borax. I remember

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Speaker 3: that when I was a kid. That product, of course,

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Speaker 3: it comes from boric acid. It's found in laundry detergent,

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Speaker 3: also sold on its own as a cleaning product. Boric

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Speaker 3: acid is a different formulation of the same compound, which

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Speaker 3: is boron boron boron used to kill ants and cockroach.

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Speaker 1: Imagine this.

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Speaker 2: Imagine somebody come coming up to you and say, hey,

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Speaker 2: would you like a cup of boric acid, Well, I'd love.

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Speaker 3: Some Adding a pinch of it to their water that

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Speaker 3: would be their drinking water. Could reduce inflammation and help

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Speaker 3: you with joint pain. No or soaking borax in the

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Speaker 3: bath cub could detoxify the body.

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Speaker 2: Of that that's what they That's what they're saying. People

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Speaker 2: are always looking for a way to detoxify.

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Speaker 1: That's ignorance. Your liver is your detoxification agent. It's not

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Speaker 1: working good enough. I need help.

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Speaker 2: There's no anybody who charges you to spa for detox

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Speaker 2: or claim some food is full of it. Your body

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Speaker 2: does it naturally, primarily the liver. All they're doing is

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Speaker 2: stealing your money because you're stupid.

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Speaker 3: And anybody blue green vomit. That would be interesting. Well,

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Speaker 3: you're drinking a cleanser or diarrhea. Well, and it can

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Speaker 3: cause anemia and seizures and soaking and boracs could cause

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Speaker 3: rashes that start.

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Speaker 1: To fall off. It's it's laundry detergent. What's wrong with people?

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Speaker 3: This is the wonders of social media and the Internet,

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Speaker 3: connecting people with all that.

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Speaker 2: This is Darwinism. Yeah, this really, this really is absolute Darwinism.

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Speaker 2: If you're drinking boric acid, did you toxify yourself? You

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Speaker 2: deserve what you get. Were these tide pods before tide pods?

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Speaker 1: What? Yeah? What? Why do people eat laundry detergent? What

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Speaker 1: is that?

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Speaker 3: It's an old time I'm looking at a box. It's

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Speaker 3: an all natural laundry booster, borax and multipurpose household cleaner. Oh,

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Speaker 3: let's say it's a dual purpose removes stain and neutralizes odors.

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Speaker 2: Well, why didn't you drink mister clean or ajax or

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Speaker 2: It's like one person decides to spread this or chlorox

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Speaker 2: or one idiot who thinks it works for them, and

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Speaker 2: it becomes a TikTok sensation that people can't be darwin Darwin.

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Speaker 2: Just let him go. All hand out shots of boric acid,

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Speaker 2: all right, take them? Everybody, go ahead.

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Speaker 1: Check out now boric acid God conways here.

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Speaker 5: Hey no, hey, no, we've got the car that's least

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Speaker 5: likely to have their catalytic converters stolen.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk about that all right.

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Speaker 5: They like the smaller cars because the Cadillact Converse are

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Speaker 5: small and you can stick them in a trunk. The

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Speaker 5: bigger trucks, like the four f three fifties, they're too

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Speaker 5: big and then they stick out the back window and

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Speaker 5: the cops nail you. So we'll tell you, right, yeah,

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Speaker 5: we'll tell you that the smaller ones the better. So

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Speaker 5: that's a big deal. Like people don't want to get

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Speaker 5: that stolee costs three thousand dollars to replace him.

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Speaker 1: Our own step fush, our producer had his stolen and

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Speaker 1: he drives Uber.

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Speaker 5: They took his livelihood from him. They oh right, because

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Speaker 5: he drives Uber and so he couldn't drive.

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Speaker 1: Can go brop too shot and killed. Yeah at pealets.

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Speaker 5: Sorry, I didn't mean to go right into that story.

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Speaker 1: Never hear you do that in your commercials. I got

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Speaker 1: before just goes way up. You could get killed. You

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Speaker 1: can get killed. That's out. Bye bye, Birdie.

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Speaker 5: Elon Muss is saying goodbye to the bird. Yeah, right,

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Speaker 5: he gave the bird the bird an X.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, but I wonder if how confusing that's gonna be, Like, hey,

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Speaker 5: did you send me a TEX?

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Speaker 1: I mean, did you say text or X text?

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Speaker 2: I just saw that Meta is claiming that they trademarked

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Speaker 2: the X. Oh they did, Yeah, that's their X. All right,

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Speaker 2: Well it'll be a fight. They're gonna fight over rights

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Speaker 2: to the X.

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Speaker 5: Right, and then whoever wins will sign right next to

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Speaker 5: the X.

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Speaker 1: Good one, Thank you very.

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Speaker 5: Much, Twitter and Staples Center forever. Yes, and then but

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Speaker 5: this will also happen. Hey do you see my ex?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you got divorced? No no, no, no, no, no my ex

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Speaker 1: media X.

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Speaker 5: There's gonna be a who's on first? Yeah, No one's

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Speaker 5: ever gonna use that.

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Speaker 3: I would have named it ding dong. I think that

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Speaker 3: would have been great.

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Speaker 5: You know you're you're you're on anchor Deborah Mark, she

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Speaker 5: does voiceovers, Yes, and we came up with a great

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Speaker 5: website for Debbie does voiceovers, right, and she.

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Speaker 1: Went close to a classic porn movie. But she liked it,

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Speaker 1: so I and she did. She did, she said, you

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Speaker 1: know about the porn movie? Does she does?

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Speaker 5: But then Aaron you know, one of the fifteen year

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Speaker 5: olds is running the news department said, what's Debbie does Dallas.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, oh boo, man.

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Speaker 5: Too young, these are kids. Yeah that is an old movie. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: it's an old movie. But it's also there's no.

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Speaker 1: Remember the Devil in Miss Jones? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: yeah yeah right, yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 5: But you know, back then you sort of you know,

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Speaker 5: had to steal dad's playboys. Now you know, there's no

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Speaker 5: you know, sky's the limit.

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Speaker 2: My dad didn't have any playboys. Yeah no, you just

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Speaker 2: didn't find they didn't play boys in Poland.

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Speaker 3: Big Dog alright, God yeah, playboys and Poland Polish playboys.

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Speaker 1: All right.

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Speaker 2: Conways, next dig Dog with you caf I AM six

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Speaker 2: and Kurzer's Lot in twenty four our Cafe news here.

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