1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:03,680 Speaker 1: You're listening to you an airwave media podcast. 2 00:00:17,880 --> 00:00:21,279 Speaker 2: Hello delicious friends, and welcome to Hooded What Now the 3 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:24,800 Speaker 2: history podcast that's not your history class with me your 4 00:00:24,840 --> 00:00:30,440 Speaker 2: host Katie Charlewood, history harlote and reader of books. So 5 00:00:30,760 --> 00:00:32,280 Speaker 2: I am just backroom tour. 6 00:00:32,440 --> 00:00:35,760 Speaker 1: I say, just back. I was back last night and I. 7 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:40,000 Speaker 2: Was super tired, and I decided to sleep instead of 8 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 2: recording a podcast, and you're all having to suffer for it. 9 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 1: I'm sorry. 10 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:46,120 Speaker 2: I just wasn't feeling it and you can even hear 11 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:48,960 Speaker 2: my voice still isn't fully back. So, like, one of 12 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:51,919 Speaker 2: the gigs was in this little speakeasy down the stairs, 13 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:54,960 Speaker 2: and so it was a very small room and they're like, 14 00:00:55,040 --> 00:00:58,440 Speaker 2: you don't need a microphone because it's so small, and 15 00:00:58,480 --> 00:01:02,480 Speaker 2: I just keep thinking I do because I need to 16 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 2: project otherwise. And it's clearly not doing me too well 17 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:08,400 Speaker 2: because my throat's not doing great. My voice is a 18 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:11,920 Speaker 2: wee bit dodgy, but that's fine. So I did pick 19 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:17,160 Speaker 2: up a really cute copy of a really cute copy 20 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:21,120 Speaker 2: of Lessons in Chemistry. So it's it's like a hardback, 21 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:23,600 Speaker 2: but like the fab book cover hardback, you. 22 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 1: Know, the sexy kind. 23 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:27,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's caught like a periodic table of elements 24 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:31,720 Speaker 2: on it. It's fab And as I was buying it, 25 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:39,399 Speaker 2: clearly clearly the book clerk man Tommy and was like, yeah, 26 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 2: she's gonna want this recommendation. 27 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:44,560 Speaker 1: And he goes, oh, have you read this before? 28 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 2: He says of the book I'm purchasing, and I went, yes, 29 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:53,360 Speaker 2: but this cover was prettier. I make no apologies for friends. 30 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 2: So I'm buying this book. And he goes to this 31 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:02,760 Speaker 2: selection of books that are sitting on the till on 32 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:08,200 Speaker 2: the desk thing whatever it is, counter even who knows 33 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 2: what it is, but one of those and so he 34 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:12,360 Speaker 2: points to that and he goes, hey, there's this book 35 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:15,240 Speaker 2: where people die and they think those women is killing 36 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:16,720 Speaker 2: people via butter. 37 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:21,359 Speaker 1: And of course I'm. 38 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:25,720 Speaker 2: Sold like butter mudder. I am here for butter murder 39 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:28,880 Speaker 2: like that is that is the way to go. So 40 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:30,840 Speaker 2: I'll let you know how this book goes. And I've 41 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:33,720 Speaker 2: been sent a few like bits and pieces, and it'll 42 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:36,919 Speaker 2: be nice to read something that's not you know, for 43 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:41,359 Speaker 2: this or for work or for research, but like for fun. 44 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:45,960 Speaker 2: But it's been it's been a fun, exciting, like weekend. 45 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:49,360 Speaker 2: I love going on tour. It's actually really really fun. 46 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 2: I just need to be bitter organized and to maybe 47 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:57,560 Speaker 2: go into smaller pockets, like I don't mind traveling long distances. 48 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:01,440 Speaker 2: I just feel like there were easier ways to do it. 49 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 1: I'm just fucking exhausted. I'm so tired. But I know 50 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:09,919 Speaker 1: I'm planning the US next year in the Northeast. Definitely. 51 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 2: After that, I'm not sure. I just know the safety 52 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:16,240 Speaker 2: and travel in one location, so I'm like, I'm gonna 53 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:19,200 Speaker 2: do this and yeah, so that's that. But I know 54 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:21,640 Speaker 2: what you're thinking, you're thinking, what your jibber jabber in 55 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:22,240 Speaker 2: fact me. 56 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 1: In fact you, I will, But first we've got to 57 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:29,320 Speaker 1: get our source on. Our sources are. 58 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 2: Crime and Criminals by Jay Sanderson, Christians and Alchemy of Bones, 59 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:41,360 Speaker 2: Chicago's Good Murder Case of eighteen ninety seven by Robert Lurzel, 60 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 2: The Bloody Century by Robert Willom, Forensic Anthropology by Clyde 61 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:56,520 Speaker 2: Colin Snow, The Sausage Vat Murder by Troy Taylor, Celebrated 62 00:03:56,560 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 2: Criminal Cases of America by Thomas Samuel Duke. We have 63 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:06,480 Speaker 2: an article by Adolph Lutgert in The Saint Louis Republic 64 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:11,240 Speaker 2: and of course, our favorites Martyr by Gaslight and the 65 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:18,720 Speaker 2: Smithsonian dot Com. I'll sitting comfortably good, then let's begin. 66 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:23,839 Speaker 1: Our story starts. 67 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:25,719 Speaker 2: Kind of at the end. So it's the seventh of 68 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:29,839 Speaker 2: May eighteen ninety seven in Chicago, Illinois, and the police 69 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:36,839 Speaker 2: are searching A. L. Lutgert's sausage factory because his wife 70 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:42,760 Speaker 2: Louisa is missing and no one has seen hiding her 71 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:47,719 Speaker 2: hair of her for the past six days. Her younger brother, Deirdrec, 72 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:51,280 Speaker 2: who is just up the high door, completely worried that 73 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:54,200 Speaker 2: he hasn't seen or heard from his sister for nearly 74 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 2: a week, he goes and reports her disappearance, her suspicious 75 00:04:59,080 --> 00:05:04,000 Speaker 2: disappearance to the police, and so they decide to have 76 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:09,520 Speaker 2: a little look around. And as they're searching the al 77 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:15,599 Speaker 2: Lutgert sausage factory, they are hit with the stench, a 78 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:20,560 Speaker 2: stench that leads them to a vat which should not 79 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:26,920 Speaker 2: be in use, but has recently been in use, and 80 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:30,960 Speaker 2: so they empty and drain the vat, and after a 81 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 2: quick peek inside, Adolph Lutgert is handcuffed, thrown in the 82 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:43,080 Speaker 2: paddy wagon, and driven off to jail, after which the 83 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 2: sausage King of Chicago would be tried in one of 84 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:53,040 Speaker 2: the most infamous crimes of the Gilded Age. But how 85 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:57,080 Speaker 2: did we get to hear? We'll just roll back a 86 00:05:57,080 --> 00:06:00,400 Speaker 2: wee bit, so this all starts in Well, we're still 87 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 2: in the nineteenth century, the eighteen hundreds, and Adolf Ludwig 88 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:11,600 Speaker 2: Ludgert is born, as many men are, a son. He 89 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:14,839 Speaker 2: was born on the twenty seventh of December eighteen forty 90 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:21,840 Speaker 2: five in Gutter's law, Westphalia or Vestfalia. It's it's now Germany. 91 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:26,080 Speaker 2: It's just a region that, after the Franco Persian War 92 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:31,240 Speaker 2: became Germany. He is one of ten children, because of 93 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:34,520 Speaker 2: course he is. And he has a twin who lives 94 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:38,719 Speaker 2: I think nearly as long as he does, like almost 95 00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:39,640 Speaker 2: as long as he does. 96 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:42,600 Speaker 1: No, I'm wrong. 97 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:45,799 Speaker 2: His twin dies in like eighteen ninety four. He outlives 98 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:50,320 Speaker 2: his twin, which seems sad, but at least his twin 99 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:55,279 Speaker 2: never got to see how awful Adolf was. AnyWho, I'm 100 00:06:55,640 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 2: going ahead of myself a little bit. He has a 101 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:04,160 Speaker 2: fairly normal childhood number four of ten. Again, if you're 102 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:06,640 Speaker 2: not like the first kid of the last kid, doesn't 103 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:08,920 Speaker 2: really matter whereabouts in the middle you are because you're 104 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 2: still a middle child. So eh, So about seven, goes 105 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:17,440 Speaker 2: to school, learns the three hours reading, writing, arithmetic. I 106 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:20,320 Speaker 2: don't know why arithmetic comes under our We're just gonna 107 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:26,680 Speaker 2: let it go. He's wrong, but we're just gonna letric go. Okay, 108 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 2: good talk. So he learns the basics and he has 109 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:33,720 Speaker 2: enough to get by, but he doesn't go much further 110 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:37,000 Speaker 2: than that. And when he's fourteen, he starts to his 111 00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:40,640 Speaker 2: apprenticeship in tanning. So just like his dad, he's learning 112 00:07:40,640 --> 00:07:46,120 Speaker 2: to tan except he's doing it with Nobel I think 113 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:50,320 Speaker 2: his name is. And so he stays with Ferdinand Nobel 114 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:54,040 Speaker 2: and he works with them for about two and a 115 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:56,440 Speaker 2: half years, and he lives with them and does that 116 00:07:56,760 --> 00:07:59,440 Speaker 2: and then he's like not really feeling this. 117 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:02,560 Speaker 1: And so he moves to England. 118 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:05,560 Speaker 2: So he moves to England, who works roundabout and does 119 00:08:05,640 --> 00:08:08,840 Speaker 2: like a bunch of odd jobs and he ends up 120 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:13,960 Speaker 2: like scrubbing restaurants at night. Like that's like a really 121 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:19,320 Speaker 2: big sort of better job for him. In fairness, eh, 122 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:24,360 Speaker 2: it's single. They're not exactly the most welcoming of areas, 123 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:28,840 Speaker 2: so anyway I say that, but like at the time, 124 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:33,960 Speaker 2: they didn't like immigrants, which is totally different to how 125 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:39,280 Speaker 2: it is now. Yep. So anyway, he's like, nah, can't 126 00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:44,400 Speaker 2: be doing this not feeling it, and so he says 127 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:48,240 Speaker 2: fuck this for Game of Soldiers and decides to travel 128 00:08:48,559 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 2: to America, and that's what he does. He's like, I'm 129 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:56,160 Speaker 2: gonna live the American dream, you know, bring me your 130 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 2: poor whatever. 131 00:08:57,080 --> 00:08:58,240 Speaker 1: Blah blah blah. Off. 132 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:01,960 Speaker 2: He goes, you're right in America when he's seventeen years 133 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:05,959 Speaker 2: old and has thirty dollars in his pocket, which, by 134 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:07,040 Speaker 2: the way, a fuck. 135 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:07,400 Speaker 1: Ton of money. 136 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:10,440 Speaker 2: Back then, I only had thirty dollars. It's sorry, you're 137 00:09:10,559 --> 00:09:15,960 Speaker 2: what's that's a shit ton of money in the eighteen hundreds, Like, buddy, 138 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:21,560 Speaker 2: I know what inflation is. Anyway, he noticed that like 139 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:25,280 Speaker 2: a lot of like Germans were traveling to the States 140 00:09:25,280 --> 00:09:27,719 Speaker 2: and he thought, well, that's handy. So he goes there 141 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:29,840 Speaker 2: and he kind of hangs out with his own community 142 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:33,240 Speaker 2: and he kind of tries to get jobs here and there, 143 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 2: and there isn't a lot of tannery work for him, 144 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:39,000 Speaker 2: which is what he knows. But he ends up working 145 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:41,560 Speaker 2: with his Irish dude named Ryan, who ends up help 146 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:45,960 Speaker 2: getting him a job like building things and moving like ricks, 147 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 2: because that's what the Irish do. We move places and 148 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:53,640 Speaker 2: then build every thing for you. Yeah, that'll show them, 149 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:57,600 Speaker 2: and so they do that. So he's moving around and 150 00:09:57,640 --> 00:09:59,200 Speaker 2: he's trying to get work. And by the time he 151 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:02,120 Speaker 2: gets to Chica because he hears the Chugag is the 152 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:06,360 Speaker 2: place to be, he has three cents in his pocket, 153 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:10,280 Speaker 2: which I don't know if you know that, but like 154 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:11,079 Speaker 2: that's much. 155 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:13,079 Speaker 1: Less than very tallars. 156 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:17,800 Speaker 2: Like whatever he's working at, it's not working. Like he said, 157 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:20,600 Speaker 2: he'd make good money tanning if the work was steady, 158 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:22,840 Speaker 2: but he just could not get steady work. He's like, 159 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:26,880 Speaker 2: I'll make belts. People have enough belts. People need this, 160 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:31,120 Speaker 2: and so he ends up sort of moving around getting work, 161 00:10:31,160 --> 00:10:35,760 Speaker 2: going to different tanneries. He starts like staying in saloons 162 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:39,080 Speaker 2: in like bars because they would have sort of boarding 163 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:41,360 Speaker 2: above them, and he would stay in these places and 164 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:42,440 Speaker 2: he would try and get work and he. 165 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 1: Would do odd jobs. 166 00:10:44,280 --> 00:10:49,720 Speaker 2: And so he does this until like the early eighteen eighties. 167 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:53,520 Speaker 2: Sorry that's a lie. Eighteen seventies is so in eighteen 168 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:56,880 Speaker 2: seventy two, at this point he saved his money and 169 00:10:56,920 --> 00:11:02,480 Speaker 2: he started investing in property and booze, so like this 170 00:11:02,559 --> 00:11:06,600 Speaker 2: is pre prohibition, so he's he's making money just like 171 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:09,840 Speaker 2: he's more like a distributor, so he's not making the 172 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:12,760 Speaker 2: booze and he's not serving the booze, but he's like 173 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:14,680 Speaker 2: buying booze from A and delivering it to B. 174 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:17,400 Speaker 1: So he's distributing. 175 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:19,160 Speaker 2: It, which makes him a pretty penny and he can 176 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:25,120 Speaker 2: afford like property and there in eighteen seventy two, he 177 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:31,880 Speaker 2: meets Caroline Ripke, who is also a German immigrant to America. 178 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:35,640 Speaker 2: So they get married, they start having kids. They have 179 00:11:35,679 --> 00:11:40,240 Speaker 2: two children, Arnold in eighteen seventy four and Max in 180 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:45,360 Speaker 2: eighteen seventy five. Now Max doesn't reach two years old, 181 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:49,520 Speaker 2: he passes away before then, but Arnold no stopping him, 182 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 2: strong as Knox. And then he ends up having this store. 183 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:55,719 Speaker 2: So he's running the store then, and he has a 184 00:11:55,720 --> 00:11:58,960 Speaker 2: little cottage and then he kind of buys properties like 185 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:04,120 Speaker 2: up in Dominic Street. And then in eighteen seventy seven, 186 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:07,000 Speaker 2: tragedy strikes his wife. 187 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:08,840 Speaker 1: Caroline dies. 188 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:17,040 Speaker 2: Now you're thinking, my, that's fucking suspicious, which maybe we 189 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:19,720 Speaker 2: don't really know much about their marriage. We don't know 190 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:23,120 Speaker 2: much about her like because there's no one to tell 191 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:26,760 Speaker 2: us anything about her. Nobody seems to know or care. 192 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:37,360 Speaker 2: But the fifteenth of November eighteen seventy seven, Caroline passes away. Now, 193 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:42,240 Speaker 2: Caroline's cause of death is listed as perrotinitis due to 194 00:12:42,280 --> 00:12:48,199 Speaker 2: intestinal bacteria released into the abdominal cavity. Basically that means 195 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:50,560 Speaker 2: there could be like a rupture on her bowl, or 196 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:54,440 Speaker 2: she could have had appendicitis, like one of those now 197 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:56,960 Speaker 2: that could have happened, and we can't really blame that 198 00:12:57,000 --> 00:13:02,280 Speaker 2: on him this time, you know. But he's really sad 199 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:05,760 Speaker 2: about it, obviously, because he's a widower now, and he 200 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:11,599 Speaker 2: remains a widower for a full two months because in January, 201 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:16,800 Speaker 2: so November eighteen seventy seven, she dies January eighteen seventy eight, 202 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:24,880 Speaker 2: he's remarried. He remarries Louisa Brickney's. So Louisa, like her husband, 203 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:29,440 Speaker 2: had emigrated to the US when she was seventeen, and 204 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:33,000 Speaker 2: she'd done so with her younger brother Deirdrich and her 205 00:13:33,040 --> 00:13:37,480 Speaker 2: sister Volhelmina. So for a while she was working in 206 00:13:37,559 --> 00:13:41,520 Speaker 2: Fox rever as a maid. And when she meets him, 207 00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:44,240 Speaker 2: she's twenty three and. 208 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:46,720 Speaker 1: He's almost thirty two. So there's a ten year age gap. 209 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:49,760 Speaker 2: He's already got a kid, but she doesn't have to 210 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:52,720 Speaker 2: worry about that because he sends the child away his 211 00:13:52,800 --> 00:13:56,920 Speaker 2: oldest son to love with his mother in law. So 212 00:13:57,000 --> 00:14:02,000 Speaker 2: Caroline's mom and so that Caroline's mom is are living together, 213 00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:05,080 Speaker 2: and so he sends his oldest boy to go live 214 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:05,480 Speaker 2: with them. 215 00:14:05,800 --> 00:14:07,560 Speaker 1: I was only boy at this point. 216 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:15,720 Speaker 2: So Louisa, she's originally from Bretmen in Germany, and she's 217 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:20,720 Speaker 2: very teeny tiny. I mean she's toty. She's like barely 218 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:24,200 Speaker 2: five foot. She has big eyes, she's like waver thin, 219 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:31,080 Speaker 2: she's very schmall, she's very etty betty. And he's a 220 00:14:31,280 --> 00:14:35,480 Speaker 2: big burley motherfucker. And I have opinions about this, but 221 00:14:35,520 --> 00:14:38,280 Speaker 2: like it's not her fault. She's small and you know, 222 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:42,160 Speaker 2: has very fine features and she I'm just saying she 223 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:48,640 Speaker 2: looked like a little and large. Just also opinions, so many, opinions, 224 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:54,320 Speaker 2: so many. But Louisa, she's really really close with her family. 225 00:14:54,760 --> 00:14:57,920 Speaker 2: You know, they emigrated together. They spoke like, if not 226 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:01,600 Speaker 2: every day, every other day. You're just a very close 227 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:02,440 Speaker 2: knit family. 228 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:04,200 Speaker 1: And so. 229 00:15:06,200 --> 00:15:13,520 Speaker 2: She marries this entrepreneur effectively, and he starts thinking that 230 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:18,600 Speaker 2: people in Chicago love German sausage. So yeah, from eighteen 231 00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:22,080 Speaker 2: seventy nine he has this sausage business. And the thing 232 00:15:22,120 --> 00:15:24,800 Speaker 2: about sausage making in this time period is like you 233 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:29,000 Speaker 2: would manufacture it in the winter, so because that's when 234 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:32,280 Speaker 2: you would make it, but people couldn't make it in 235 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:35,800 Speaker 2: the springtime and summertime they couldn't figure it out. So 236 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:41,160 Speaker 2: basically spring summer from like eighteen seventy ninety eighteen eighty three, 237 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:46,600 Speaker 2: so for four years, the Ludgertz would go live on 238 00:15:46,640 --> 00:15:49,000 Speaker 2: this farm that he bought because he just fucking bought 239 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:50,240 Speaker 2: a farm, because of course he did. 240 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:52,040 Speaker 1: It's probably where he had. 241 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:56,080 Speaker 2: The pigs to make the sausages. One would assume he 242 00:15:56,160 --> 00:16:02,600 Speaker 2: built this house in this farmland. And Louisa, she's not 243 00:16:02,680 --> 00:16:08,080 Speaker 2: exactly keen on it, but it's fine, it's fine. And 244 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:11,600 Speaker 2: her brother ends up coming out to like live with 245 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:15,800 Speaker 2: them for a little bit because he knows farming, and 246 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:20,520 Speaker 2: Adolf Ludger doesn't know farming. He bought a farm, doesn't 247 00:16:20,520 --> 00:16:23,320 Speaker 2: know how to fucking farm. Didn't think that might have 248 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:25,440 Speaker 2: been like a prerequisite or anything. 249 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:27,600 Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, fuck, it doesn't matter. 250 00:16:28,560 --> 00:16:30,560 Speaker 2: But yet d drink ends up coming and staying and 251 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:33,480 Speaker 2: working on the farm every little bit just to kind of. 252 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:34,360 Speaker 1: Get it going. 253 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:38,560 Speaker 2: And so they end up moving back and forth and 254 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:41,400 Speaker 2: things are getting a little bit better and better and better, 255 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:44,800 Speaker 2: and Adolf eventually just like builds. 256 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:49,240 Speaker 1: This factory and then he has a house like just. 257 00:16:49,280 --> 00:16:52,040 Speaker 2: South of it, so it's like really really close. They're 258 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:56,800 Speaker 2: almost right next to each other. Like they're so ridiculously close, 259 00:16:56,920 --> 00:17:01,040 Speaker 2: these two buildings. But yeah, so he is trying to 260 00:17:01,080 --> 00:17:04,880 Speaker 2: get his hands into everything, right, So he's got many fingers, 261 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:09,440 Speaker 2: many pies. He's like selling lumber, he's like doing the 262 00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:13,840 Speaker 2: sausage stuff, stuffing the sausage woe would assume all that 263 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:17,680 Speaker 2: kind of thing, doing the farmy stuff ish, Gudric's mainly 264 00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:20,360 Speaker 2: doing the farmy stuff. So he ends up doing that, 265 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 2: but once a week at this point, he's having to 266 00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:27,040 Speaker 2: head back into Chicago, and his wife is there on 267 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:30,560 Speaker 2: the farm where she doesn't fucking want to be, but anyway, 268 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:33,239 Speaker 2: there she is. So he goes out one day and 269 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:37,520 Speaker 2: he comes back in the evening and everybody is shaken. 270 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:42,600 Speaker 2: They're worried as fuck, and he's like, what happened? So 271 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:47,159 Speaker 2: while he was away, a man escaped from the local 272 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:52,199 Speaker 2: asylum or the nearest asylum, ends up at the farm 273 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:58,879 Speaker 2: and starts like chasing Louisa, and so this dude is 274 00:17:58,920 --> 00:18:01,200 Speaker 2: just running after her luck. Her brother was there and 275 00:18:01,320 --> 00:18:07,640 Speaker 2: just like stopped him, but Louisa really wasn't king and being. 276 00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:08,640 Speaker 1: On the farm after that. 277 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:11,560 Speaker 2: Now at this point as well, they had a couple 278 00:18:11,560 --> 00:18:14,359 Speaker 2: of kids, so they end up having four kids together. 279 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:18,320 Speaker 2: That's Louisa and Adolf, not Louisa and her brother Dudrich. 280 00:18:19,080 --> 00:18:22,919 Speaker 2: We've been through this before. Your family tree should not 281 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:26,240 Speaker 2: be a wreath. I would also like to apologize to 282 00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:31,280 Speaker 2: any Germans listening, because clearly I can't pronounce. 283 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:34,600 Speaker 1: For shit, and my voice is not great, and. 284 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:39,440 Speaker 2: So I know I'm not doing the right like noises 285 00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:45,080 Speaker 2: you know, you know, you know, Barbara, you know the 286 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:47,800 Speaker 2: noises right, I can't They're not coming out right and 287 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:53,399 Speaker 2: I know, and I'm sorry, So formal apology Germans in Germany. 288 00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:59,480 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Cala. The German R was so hard. 289 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:03,159 Speaker 2: Someone once explained to me that it was like the 290 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:08,600 Speaker 2: letter R is dying in your throat, which is apt, 291 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:14,840 Speaker 2: but I still struggle with it. Anyway, back to this 292 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:21,760 Speaker 2: weird situation, Ludgerts end up having four children together, Louise, 293 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:33,399 Speaker 2: Louis yes really Elsie, and Elmer now Louise and Elsie. 294 00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:37,480 Speaker 2: They both pass away from cholera before either reach the 295 00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:41,320 Speaker 2: age of two, and at some point Arnold ends up 296 00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:46,640 Speaker 2: coming back to live with them. So the boys are 297 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:51,520 Speaker 2: all alive and they're all living together with Louisa and Adolf. 298 00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:54,679 Speaker 2: Now she wants to get the heck at Dodge and 299 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:57,160 Speaker 2: he goes fine, and so they. 300 00:19:57,000 --> 00:20:01,000 Speaker 1: Move to Chicago. And so they move back to Chicago, and. 301 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:05,440 Speaker 2: Things start going really really well for Adolf. 302 00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:05,880 Speaker 1: Like. 303 00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:10,639 Speaker 2: He figures out away, don't know how he does it, 304 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:14,440 Speaker 2: but he figures it away to make sausage in both 305 00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:21,200 Speaker 2: winter and summer. Like he is an annual sausage procurer 306 00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:25,480 Speaker 2: slash creator, sausage maker, this sausage king. 307 00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:27,280 Speaker 1: He gets labeled. 308 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:30,800 Speaker 2: The sausage King of Chicago because he is the only 309 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:34,919 Speaker 2: motherfucker who figures out how to do this. And so 310 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:41,320 Speaker 2: this is where things start getting a bit wild. So 311 00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:48,160 Speaker 2: their relationship starts getting a bit strained because for all 312 00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:55,040 Speaker 2: of his success, he's he's so driven with becoming more successful. 313 00:20:55,560 --> 00:21:00,280 Speaker 2: He seems to be forgetting you know, life at home, 314 00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:05,520 Speaker 2: Like he is so sausage driven like he's the absolute 315 00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:09,560 Speaker 2: brat first, I fucking forgetting nothing, go fuck yourselves. 316 00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:12,800 Speaker 1: And so he's the absolute worst. 317 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:18,919 Speaker 2: And so he is so obsessed and so focused on sausages, 318 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:24,399 Speaker 2: like I don't care who you are, Like you should 319 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:28,320 Speaker 2: not be so into sausages that it is messing up 320 00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:32,080 Speaker 2: your personal life. Like I feel like that's just a 321 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:35,159 Speaker 2: golden rule like to live by. I feel like I 322 00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:36,720 Speaker 2: shouldn't have to explain it to people. 323 00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:38,200 Speaker 1: But here we are. 324 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:47,120 Speaker 2: So Adolf, who at this point has changed his name 325 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:52,280 Speaker 2: to Adolf Lewis Lutgert because his middle name was Ludwig. 326 00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:56,480 Speaker 2: And he's like, I need something slightly less German, because 327 00:21:56,640 --> 00:21:59,480 Speaker 2: Adolf Lutgert isn't a German name. 328 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:07,679 Speaker 1: Paw, buddy, come on. So, yeah, he is making so 329 00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:10,520 Speaker 1: much money. 330 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:14,960 Speaker 2: And he is taking all of this and instead of 331 00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:19,560 Speaker 2: investing it in a home and in making sure like 332 00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:21,840 Speaker 2: the best schools for his kids and all this kind 333 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:25,000 Speaker 2: of stuff, like instead of really making sure there was 334 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:30,359 Speaker 2: more what's the word miscellaneous cash? Is not what I 335 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:33,280 Speaker 2: mean disposable income, Like there's not a huge amount of 336 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:36,920 Speaker 2: disposable income because he's making money, but a lot of 337 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:40,480 Speaker 2: that money, the majority of it is just being invested 338 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:48,280 Speaker 2: back into the business, which is fine for the most part, 339 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:50,639 Speaker 2: but like you're going to make sure you have like 340 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:54,439 Speaker 2: savings and a bunch of other shit, because what happens 341 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:59,600 Speaker 2: if something bad happens? What happens if something bad happens? 342 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:07,720 Speaker 2: M M. So yeah, he's he's putting all this money 343 00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:12,639 Speaker 2: in and and in things things start taking a turn 344 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:19,000 Speaker 2: for the worst. So there's the Great Panic of eighteen 345 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:22,080 Speaker 2: ninety six or the Big Panic of eighteen ninety six. 346 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:25,240 Speaker 2: There's there was also a panic in like eighteen ninety two. 347 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:29,960 Speaker 2: There's a few panics. Chicago is the same panic, different disco, 348 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:34,040 Speaker 2: I mean, jazz hole. It's fine, it's fine. It's the 349 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:39,600 Speaker 2: same panic, different jazz hole because they are they are panicking. 350 00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:44,960 Speaker 2: They're panicing the fuck out because there's this fear that 351 00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:51,960 Speaker 2: the silver standard is going to drop, and so if 352 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:56,240 Speaker 2: the silver standard drops, so does the gold standard. The 353 00:23:56,240 --> 00:24:00,280 Speaker 2: silver standard, by the way, is basically what but what 354 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:03,000 Speaker 2: the divice is based on. It's the whole thing. 355 00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:08,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, there you go, was it of. 356 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:13,720 Speaker 2: Oz It's about the silver standard and the and Alice 357 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:15,399 Speaker 2: in Wonderland is about math. 358 00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:20,120 Speaker 1: Who to thunk it? There you go. There's some literary 359 00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:20,920 Speaker 1: facts for the day. 360 00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:24,000 Speaker 2: So, yeah, the silver standard, the word it's going to drop, 361 00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:26,800 Speaker 2: like they're waiting for it to drop, and then they 362 00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:29,720 Speaker 2: think of that drops. Then the gold you know, standard 363 00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:36,879 Speaker 2: is going to drop, and banks start failing, and we've 364 00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:39,600 Speaker 2: lived through a recession. Most of you have at least 365 00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:42,399 Speaker 2: lived through a recession, unless you're quite young, in which 366 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:44,879 Speaker 2: case you've lived through it but might not even know it. 367 00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:47,560 Speaker 2: Oh my god, or some of you not. No, you 368 00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:50,760 Speaker 2: have to have been born after two thousand and six, 369 00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:54,760 Speaker 2: right right, Please tell me you're born after two thousand 370 00:24:54,800 --> 00:25:01,520 Speaker 2: and six, because honestly, oh, no, babies, we babies. No, 371 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:08,399 Speaker 2: I'm like old father time, I'm the crypt keeper. So, yeah, 372 00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:13,400 Speaker 2: there's a recession. Things start closing, banks start failing, and 373 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:18,200 Speaker 2: Adolph starts losing money, and he tries to make other 374 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:21,280 Speaker 2: investments and then they just go down the train train, 375 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:23,000 Speaker 2: they go down the drain. 376 00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:25,600 Speaker 1: And so he starts. 377 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:31,639 Speaker 2: Hiding this kind of thing from Louisa and and it 378 00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:36,040 Speaker 2: doesn't work because she finds out that they're losing money 379 00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:39,560 Speaker 2: and she's she's already mad at him because she already 380 00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:41,439 Speaker 2: said to him, like, you need to be more careful 381 00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:43,600 Speaker 2: with your money. You need to like invest it in 382 00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:46,600 Speaker 2: things that are safe and not just you know, your 383 00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:51,880 Speaker 2: fucking sausage factory, like the a l looked at sausage factory, 384 00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:56,720 Speaker 2: like he named his factory after himself. I feel like 385 00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:57,679 Speaker 2: there were better things. 386 00:25:58,440 --> 00:25:59,120 Speaker 1: Is that just a thing? 387 00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:03,159 Speaker 2: Do you just name your after yourself? Not like a 388 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:10,000 Speaker 2: company name that isn't your name? Is that everyone did it? Okay, 389 00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:15,320 Speaker 2: clearly I'm not upon business history. But yeah, he's he's 390 00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:20,440 Speaker 2: losing money and he's tanking fast, and so things at 391 00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:26,159 Speaker 2: home are not going great. Like him and Louisa are fighting. 392 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:29,159 Speaker 2: She's already pissed off, and it gets to the point 393 00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:32,920 Speaker 2: where like they're not even spending any. 394 00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:34,959 Speaker 1: Time like in the house together. 395 00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:41,120 Speaker 2: He ends up staying in the factory with his two 396 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:45,720 Speaker 2: great dans, like he loves these great danes. I should add, 397 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:49,119 Speaker 2: like one day the great Danes, one of his danes, 398 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:54,040 Speaker 2: like I don't know, let's call him a hamlet. He disappears, 399 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:58,159 Speaker 2: and so he runs to the police the day of 400 00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:01,680 Speaker 2: like untils and they have to like find his dog, 401 00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:04,480 Speaker 2: and like, I get it, you're a dog lover, but 402 00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:07,760 Speaker 2: also it's gonna make sense that you're why this is 403 00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:10,439 Speaker 2: weird and so he's really panicking about it, and in 404 00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:12,960 Speaker 2: a way, they find the dog. Everything's fine, dog's great 405 00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:19,000 Speaker 2: great dead. And so he does this and that happens, 406 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:22,720 Speaker 2: and he ends up moving into this like little bed 407 00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:25,280 Speaker 2: in his office. He's just like sleeping in there, which 408 00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:28,199 Speaker 2: is handy because he's not sleeping alone a lot of 409 00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:31,520 Speaker 2: the time. Because see, well, well their marriage is kind 410 00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:36,280 Speaker 2: of on the rocks. Adolf takes it upon himself to 411 00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:40,840 Speaker 2: to start spending time with a widow who happens to 412 00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:42,160 Speaker 2: have a fuck ton of money. 413 00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:43,919 Speaker 1: How convenient. 414 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:48,920 Speaker 2: Not only is he doing that, but he's a man, 415 00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:53,680 Speaker 2: he has needs. And he decides to shag his maid, 416 00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:59,800 Speaker 2: his housemaid who works for him and his wife, and 417 00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:12,240 Speaker 2: it gets it gets worse because the housemaid is Louise's niece, Like, like, 418 00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:19,359 Speaker 2: what is wrong with you? Don't shag your relatives. I 419 00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:21,719 Speaker 2: don't care if we're not blood related. I don't give 420 00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:26,800 Speaker 2: a fuck, right like your son is related to that. 421 00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:32,639 Speaker 1: Don't do that. Don't do that. Don't shag your relatives. Again, 422 00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:33,760 Speaker 1: I feel like these. 423 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:36,240 Speaker 2: Are rules I shouldn't have to say out loud, but 424 00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:36,840 Speaker 2: here we are. 425 00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:41,160 Speaker 1: So anyway, it gets to the point. 426 00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:45,520 Speaker 2: Where he starts to get like really stressed out, and 427 00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:48,240 Speaker 2: he he's like, fuck, I'm gonna have to sell my 428 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:51,560 Speaker 2: sausage factory. So he's to shut down the factory. Like 429 00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:56,400 Speaker 2: the sausage ain'ts selling at this point, and he has 430 00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:59,080 Speaker 2: to like figure out what he's going to do, and 431 00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:01,760 Speaker 2: so he tries to sell and when he tries to 432 00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:04,760 Speaker 2: sell it, like he turns down like a bunch of 433 00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:07,360 Speaker 2: these offers because he's looking for this cash and he's 434 00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:12,040 Speaker 2: looking for it faster, and as it turns out, Adolf 435 00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:17,200 Speaker 2: got fucking scammed, so he managed to not sell it 436 00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:21,239 Speaker 2: and ended up losing a ton of money. And so 437 00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:26,000 Speaker 2: all this frustration builds up, and he's not exactly nice 438 00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:32,200 Speaker 2: to his wife, and by not exactly nice trigger warning abyus, 439 00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:37,040 Speaker 2: he is known to be violent with her, Like they 440 00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:40,080 Speaker 2: fight sort of tempestuously all the time. Anyway, at this point, 441 00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:43,600 Speaker 2: there's lots of sort of pent up aggression and anger 442 00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:50,160 Speaker 2: and rage. But like then he starts hitting her, which 443 00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:54,960 Speaker 2: you know, he's a big guy. She's not even five 444 00:29:55,000 --> 00:30:02,040 Speaker 2: foot She's tiny, right, She's so small like that that's 445 00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:04,040 Speaker 2: beyond horrible, like. 446 00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:06,440 Speaker 1: So shitty to do. 447 00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:11,880 Speaker 2: And they're fighting and arguing until one day Louisa simply 448 00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:16,680 Speaker 2: isn't there anymore. On the first of May eighteen ninety seven, 449 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:23,480 Speaker 2: she goes out and then nobody sees her. Her sons 450 00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:27,840 Speaker 2: how we boys are asking where their mom is, like 451 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:31,840 Speaker 2: they're where's mom? You know, fair question to ask, you know, 452 00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:39,520 Speaker 2: And Adolf tells them that their mother ran off with 453 00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:43,960 Speaker 2: another man, that she said she was going to do it, 454 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:45,880 Speaker 2: and she made good on her promise and she just 455 00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:54,360 Speaker 2: fucked off right. Then her brother Deirdrich He's like, I 456 00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:55,280 Speaker 2: haven't heard from. 457 00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:56,200 Speaker 1: My sister in a while. 458 00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:59,800 Speaker 2: This is weird, and so he goes to visit and 459 00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:03,160 Speaker 2: he asks where she is, and Adolf tells her that, oh, 460 00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:05,360 Speaker 2: she's off visiting, you know. 461 00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:05,840 Speaker 1: Your sister. 462 00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:10,440 Speaker 2: And dear Drek's like, I feel like I know if 463 00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:13,680 Speaker 2: that was happening, and so the boys are like, oh, no, 464 00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:17,360 Speaker 2: mommy ran away with this man and deer drik his hackles. 465 00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:22,320 Speaker 2: Ropie's like that doesn't sound right, and then he goes 466 00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:24,880 Speaker 2: and he checked with his sister r Anyway Wilhelmina, and 467 00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:28,880 Speaker 2: she's not there either. She hasn't heard from her, and 468 00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:31,400 Speaker 2: so then he goes to the police and he's like, 469 00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:36,200 Speaker 2: my sister's messing but her husband hasn't reported her, messing 470 00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:40,520 Speaker 2: her husband who reported the dog missing after an hour 471 00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:46,400 Speaker 2: but didn't report his wife. Now the police are like, ah, 472 00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:50,400 Speaker 2: that's a bit weild, that's a bit suspicious. And so 473 00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:54,360 Speaker 2: they go and interview Adolf, going like, hey, where's your 474 00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:59,000 Speaker 2: wife and his story changes. He's like, she's with her sister, 475 00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:03,840 Speaker 2: she's with some man, she's back in Germany. And the 476 00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:07,320 Speaker 2: police are like, yeah, this is really bloody suspicious this 477 00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:11,040 Speaker 2: is and so they ask a round if anybody's seen her, 478 00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:16,360 Speaker 2: and the night watchman of the factory, which has been 479 00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:21,920 Speaker 2: closed down for about ten weeks at this point, he says, yeah, 480 00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,000 Speaker 2: I thought I saw her going into the factory with 481 00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:27,959 Speaker 2: the boss on like such and such a night. 482 00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:33,000 Speaker 1: So may first and he's like and also, I don't 483 00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:34,240 Speaker 1: know of this is weird. 484 00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:37,440 Speaker 2: But the day before he was like, I need you 485 00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:43,040 Speaker 2: to get this and this that it supplies, you know, 486 00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:46,160 Speaker 2: for the factory, because it needs to be cleaned. 487 00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:49,560 Speaker 1: And the officers go, okay, let's look into this. 488 00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:54,560 Speaker 2: And so the day before, so the thirty of the Vapril, 489 00:32:55,560 --> 00:33:03,600 Speaker 2: Adolf Lutgert had purchased arsenic and potash. It's basically like 490 00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:08,400 Speaker 2: these mind salts that contain potassium. Now you can get 491 00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:10,280 Speaker 2: it in like wood ash. One of the ways they 492 00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:12,600 Speaker 2: get it is they would take wood ash and they 493 00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:15,760 Speaker 2: would soak it in a pot and water in a pot, 494 00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:20,480 Speaker 2: and it would sort of be bottled up in lech 495 00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:24,440 Speaker 2: leachified leach headed. There's a word for it, and it 496 00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:29,840 Speaker 2: involves wood leach, and so it would become that potash, 497 00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:32,800 Speaker 2: and so it would be used in like agriculture. She's 498 00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:36,920 Speaker 2: a fertilizer, and it's used in food manufacturing, and so 499 00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:40,600 Speaker 2: obviously it's used to make sausage. 500 00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:42,000 Speaker 1: And so he used it for that. 501 00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:48,320 Speaker 2: Now now again factory not open, but he's got that anyway, 502 00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:51,440 Speaker 2: and he's got arsenic, which he says is for the 503 00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:56,160 Speaker 2: wrap problem in the factory, which that in itself is 504 00:33:56,160 --> 00:34:03,520 Speaker 2: fair enough. Louisa is missing, and after interviewing Adolf and 505 00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:10,520 Speaker 2: interviewing the night watchman, who on May first, after himself 506 00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:13,120 Speaker 2: showed up, was like, Hey, I needed to grab a 507 00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:15,080 Speaker 2: few things for me and then you can take the 508 00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:18,920 Speaker 2: rest of the night off, which was again weird, but 509 00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:21,200 Speaker 2: the night watchman at the time didn't think about it, 510 00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:23,319 Speaker 2: and it was only after when he was questioned he 511 00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:23,759 Speaker 2: was like. 512 00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:26,600 Speaker 1: Oh no, like he thought. 513 00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:32,120 Speaker 2: He saw Louisa accompany her husband into the factory, which 514 00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:34,960 Speaker 2: he thought again was a bit odd, to be honest. 515 00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:38,320 Speaker 2: So she goes in and that's the last time anyone 516 00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:42,239 Speaker 2: sees from her. Naturally, the police are like, we have 517 00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:44,640 Speaker 2: to search this factory. Remember it's like really close to 518 00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:47,640 Speaker 2: the house as well, it's so fucking close, and they're like, 519 00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:51,120 Speaker 2: we need to like have a proper like search. Lets 520 00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:55,040 Speaker 2: go in, and so they start looking through the factory 521 00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:58,320 Speaker 2: and they come across the vat and in the vat 522 00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:04,000 Speaker 2: is pot ash, the remnants of a metal boned corset, 523 00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:12,800 Speaker 2: bone fragments, and he called ring with the initials l 524 00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:18,280 Speaker 2: L on them on. Of course this like reddish brown, 525 00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:25,840 Speaker 2: sticky liquid sort of see liquid like go that's in 526 00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:33,280 Speaker 2: and around this pot is vat, I should say. So Naturally, 527 00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:40,880 Speaker 2: everyone's like, shit, these are bones and and women's clothing, 528 00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:48,400 Speaker 2: women's undergarments, and you know, a ring with the missing 529 00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:49,640 Speaker 2: women's initials on it. 530 00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:50,960 Speaker 1: And so. 531 00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:58,120 Speaker 2: He is arrested and then taken to jail before going 532 00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:02,040 Speaker 2: to court. By the time the trial begins in August 533 00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:08,000 Speaker 2: of eighteen ninety seven, the rumor mill is swirling the 534 00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:12,479 Speaker 2: body parts of a woman were found in the sausage vat, 535 00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:19,399 Speaker 2: and people start thinking, what if she was in the sausages? 536 00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:24,080 Speaker 2: What if he went off Sweeney Todd. Now, luckily the 537 00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:27,600 Speaker 2: sausage factory was not in bloody use, it wasn't in use. 538 00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:33,959 Speaker 2: Nobody ate her to our knowledge, Like, it's unlikely. It's 539 00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:37,680 Speaker 2: just more likely that he killed her with arsenic and 540 00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:42,840 Speaker 2: then dissolved her body. And you know that she wouldn't 541 00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:45,200 Speaker 2: have been hard to lift, and she would have fitten 542 00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:48,440 Speaker 2: it quite easily because she was a wee person. She 543 00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:52,520 Speaker 2: was teeny toty teny and schmall, she fit in there 544 00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:59,400 Speaker 2: quite easily. So forensic experts come forward and they start 545 00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:04,879 Speaker 2: like dissolving bodies in potash, like they're trying to see 546 00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:09,800 Speaker 2: if they can make it happen. So the prosecution they're like, yeah, 547 00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:12,879 Speaker 2: this is definitely a thing, and the defense are like, 548 00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:16,239 Speaker 2: oh no, the bones would have been bigger than this, 549 00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:19,680 Speaker 2: or would have been that, because he's all argument is like, 550 00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:25,680 Speaker 2: it's peg bones for making sausages, which is fine if 551 00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:30,480 Speaker 2: there wasn't part of a skull made of tarsal bones, 552 00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:38,239 Speaker 2: tophal anks, bits of ribs, and you know again, you 553 00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:41,680 Speaker 2: know there's a ring there with her initials on it, 554 00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:46,440 Speaker 2: that's her ring, and part of a fucking corset. 555 00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:49,640 Speaker 1: Like it's a twelve foot vat as well, it. 556 00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:51,480 Speaker 2: Wasn't as if she wasn't going to fit into it. 557 00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:54,080 Speaker 2: Like they had to drain it and like scour through 558 00:37:54,120 --> 00:38:01,879 Speaker 2: the go like greasy, sludgy stuff, and they found all 559 00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:06,560 Speaker 2: of these pieces. Now they could have easily like not 560 00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:10,240 Speaker 2: searched as hard, but they did it anyway, thank Christ. 561 00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:17,120 Speaker 2: But yeah, now the prosecution suggests then he killed Louisa 562 00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:21,440 Speaker 2: with arsenic and then disposed of her body in the vat, 563 00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:28,520 Speaker 2: which I mean there were easier ways. There were easier 564 00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:34,239 Speaker 2: ways now, dissolving her body, especially if you wanted to 565 00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:38,080 Speaker 2: marry the widow, just seems like a bad idea when 566 00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:40,280 Speaker 2: it was better to have her like be found somewhere. 567 00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:42,320 Speaker 2: I'm just saying, maybe he panicked. 568 00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:43,600 Speaker 1: What did he panic? 569 00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:46,120 Speaker 2: Because he bought three hundred and fifty eight pounds of 570 00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:51,799 Speaker 2: potash and so much arsnack, like too much even it 571 00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:58,560 Speaker 2: just feels like premeditated, just a weep it. So the 572 00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:02,480 Speaker 2: first trial ends up with a hung jury, like they 573 00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:06,319 Speaker 2: can't agree because the evidence is so circumstantial and you've 574 00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:10,240 Speaker 2: got these experts who are just you know, playing tennis 575 00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:14,200 Speaker 2: with each other effectively. It doesn't help that there were 576 00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:21,840 Speaker 2: sightings of Louisa all over like the US, like she 577 00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:24,520 Speaker 2: was seen in Boston and she was seen here, and 578 00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:31,040 Speaker 2: she was she wasn't she was not. But so they 579 00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:34,640 Speaker 2: end up putting him on trial again, and it's in 580 00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:39,759 Speaker 2: January of eighteen ninety eight, and so they end up 581 00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:45,120 Speaker 2: having George Dorsey, who's an anthropologist, and they have him 582 00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:49,080 Speaker 2: with this. He gives his testimony about how the bones 583 00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:52,400 Speaker 2: are definitely hers, how it's the skull of a small female. 584 00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:56,400 Speaker 2: I mean, if it's a small skull, I get it. 585 00:39:56,440 --> 00:40:02,760 Speaker 2: But I don't think they can determine, you know, gender 586 00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:06,799 Speaker 2: or sex. I should say, I'm pretty sure they can't like. 587 00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:09,960 Speaker 1: Figure that out at that point. I'm fairly certain. 588 00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:14,399 Speaker 2: Adolf Ludgert he is cross examined in the second trial 589 00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:16,879 Speaker 2: for like eight and a half hours, like it is 590 00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:22,640 Speaker 2: a lot, but you know, the experts were so convincing 591 00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:26,160 Speaker 2: that the jury were like, no, you're guilty. 592 00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:30,520 Speaker 1: And so he ends up in Juliette. 593 00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:35,160 Speaker 2: He gets sent to prison, where he lives for one 594 00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:37,040 Speaker 2: year before. 595 00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:43,640 Speaker 1: Dying of something and Louisa. 596 00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:46,600 Speaker 2: She doesn't get buried because there's nothing to bury at 597 00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:53,520 Speaker 2: this point. There's fragments, you know, and her children. They're 598 00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:56,160 Speaker 2: supposed to go into the care of her brother, Deirdrich, 599 00:40:57,040 --> 00:41:00,880 Speaker 2: but he doesn't show up for court for some reason. 600 00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:01,760 Speaker 2: We don't know why. 601 00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:03,680 Speaker 1: He just doesn't. 602 00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:07,480 Speaker 2: And then they end up staying with their maternal grandmother. 603 00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:11,840 Speaker 2: And they have fairly typical lives considering they do. Okay, 604 00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:14,319 Speaker 2: they have long lives, They get married, they have their 605 00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:17,960 Speaker 2: own kids, which is a weird heritage to have. My 606 00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:23,600 Speaker 2: grandfather was the sausage King of Chicago and also a murderer, 607 00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:28,239 Speaker 2: but he went to jail and he died, so yay, 608 00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:34,360 Speaker 2: that's something. But yes, So when's old timey crime the 609 00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:39,120 Speaker 2: sausage King of Chicago murders. I'll have a better name 610 00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:41,320 Speaker 2: for it when I actually type it up. I like 611 00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:42,879 Speaker 2: to apologize for my tiredness. 612 00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:45,800 Speaker 1: I'm barely I'm barely here. 613 00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:48,560 Speaker 2: I really wanted to make sure I got an episode 614 00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:52,960 Speaker 2: it for you guys, and I hope it wasn't too annoying. 615 00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:57,680 Speaker 2: Old timey crime it's what I go back to. But 616 00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:00,480 Speaker 2: I've got some cool stuff like ready for next week. 617 00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:05,560 Speaker 2: I'm pretty excited for some We're kinda go, we're going 618 00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:10,120 Speaker 2: to talk about a mastress or two, you know my favorite, 619 00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:13,040 Speaker 2: back to Harlot's for a wee bit and then who 620 00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:16,960 Speaker 2: knows what we'll discuss. I mean, I'll probably chat about 621 00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:22,920 Speaker 2: a dude there too. But yes, so when the story 622 00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:26,040 Speaker 2: of the Sausage Fat Murder, if you like the story, 623 00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:27,800 Speaker 2: please do going to write a review of five stars. 624 00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:29,800 Speaker 2: If you don't want to rate a review of five stars, 625 00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:35,360 Speaker 2: don't say anything. It's fine a level of compliments and crisps. 626 00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:38,879 Speaker 1: But so is that. That's that's how that is. 627 00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:41,880 Speaker 2: And you can follow me on the socials. 628 00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:47,279 Speaker 1: I've got the Patreon now as well. And so if you. 629 00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:50,120 Speaker 2: Don't want to follow on like TikTok or Instagram because 630 00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:52,240 Speaker 2: you don't want like meta knowing your data or whatever, 631 00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:55,839 Speaker 2: I know somebody had an issue and TikTok is something 632 00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:58,880 Speaker 2: they just couldn't get into. And TikTok's being such a deck, 633 00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:03,040 Speaker 2: such a deck that I'm now sort of posting any 634 00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:05,960 Speaker 2: videos I'm posting anywhere else, I'm going to post on TikTok. 635 00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:09,040 Speaker 1: For the free followers to just kiss fuck it. 636 00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:12,520 Speaker 2: But all of the live shows will be going up 637 00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:15,520 Speaker 2: slowly but surely on the Patreon for the paid. 638 00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:17,040 Speaker 1: Tears, so that'll be going up soon. 639 00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:21,080 Speaker 2: And the Murder of Order Ackroyd will be continuing soon. 640 00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:23,720 Speaker 2: Part of the Who Done It What Now? That starts 641 00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:27,160 Speaker 2: sin Enough and yeah, I think that's that's it. Oh, 642 00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:30,600 Speaker 2: the Glasgow show the next to trip not Trip Tour. 643 00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:34,600 Speaker 2: The next show has been announced. It's June second, twenty 644 00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:40,000 Speaker 2: twenty four, and yeah, that's that's happening and the place 645 00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:47,000 Speaker 2: is accessible. Yeah, So for recommendation time. For reading, we're 646 00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:53,160 Speaker 2: going to recommend Lessons in Chemistry by Bonnie Germers. The 647 00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:55,520 Speaker 2: book's over there but I can't see ex top mglasses on. 648 00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:59,400 Speaker 2: But yeah, it's really good anywhere. I bought a second 649 00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:02,800 Speaker 2: copy of it, but it's fabulous read that. For watching, 650 00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:07,000 Speaker 2: I'm going to suggest Artful. 651 00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:12,400 Speaker 1: Dodger because clearly I have weird issues with my childhood. 652 00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:13,840 Speaker 1: It's it's okay. 653 00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:17,040 Speaker 2: I also like surgeons and the thing about old timey surgeons, 654 00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:21,319 Speaker 2: I think it's fascinating. So that's interesting, and it's I'm 655 00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:25,000 Speaker 2: learning about sides, so that's nice. And for listening, listen 656 00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:27,840 Speaker 2: to Taylor's rest new album why Not. You should totally 657 00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:31,799 Speaker 2: do it it's a good time. Yeah, that's everything, and 658 00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:36,360 Speaker 2: so I shall see you next time. Adios au revoir 659 00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:39,120 Speaker 2: of Weird as Them My Friends by