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Speaker 1: Hey there, folks.

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Speaker 2: It is Saturday, January third, and a breaking story overnight.

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Speaker 2: The United States has gone in overnight and snatched the

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Speaker 2: president of Venezuela and his wife from the capital city

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Speaker 2: and taken them out of the country. Some are calling

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Speaker 2: it an abduction, some calling it a prelude to war,

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Speaker 2: some calling it illegal. Whatever you want to call it,

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Speaker 2: we certainly have to all agree this has been an

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Speaker 2: absolutely stunning development overnight. And with that, welcome to this

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Speaker 2: episode of Amy and TJ Robes. Look, we've been watching

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Speaker 2: what was going on with Venezuela for quite some time.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if we had presidential abduction on our

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Speaker 2: BINGO card.

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Speaker 3: That was never on my list of what happens next,

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Speaker 3: at least I didn't think so. In fact, when President

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Speaker 3: out or get Maduro out of office, he skirted around

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Speaker 4: He seemed shy about it.

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Speaker 3: It didn't seem like it was something imminent or something

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Speaker 3: he was planning. And yet it turns out that may

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Speaker 3: have exactly been what was going on.

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Speaker 2: He stayed vague a lot when he because even asked

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Speaker 2: the question. A lot of whole high profile interviews, and

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Speaker 2: he stayed vague. I'm not going to tell you what

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Speaker 2: I'm going to do exactly, But did he also not

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Speaker 2: leave open the possibility at least of action on land

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Speaker 2: right right, at this point, it's only been on the

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Speaker 2: thought maybe we all thought that might be the next

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that would to me be the next step in

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Speaker 3: escalating the tensions that were already happening.

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Speaker 4: I mean, obviously, we were.

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Speaker 3: Already killing Venezuelan citizens on their boats based on drug

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Speaker 3: trafficking exactly. That's what we've been told, and so that

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Speaker 3: was already a bold move, clearly, But this is an

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Speaker 3: escalation that certainly I was not expecting, and I don't

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Speaker 2: So let's tell you now, folks, we are recording this early.

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Speaker 2: Everything we are telling you now is at least up

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Speaker 2: to this point, but there are going to be a

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Speaker 2: lot of new developments. But let's just start with the

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Speaker 2: what there first of all, and explaining robes what we

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Speaker 2: have seen, at least as of our recording.

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Speaker 1: All of this has developed in the past few.

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Speaker 4: Hours that's right.

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Speaker 3: President Trump announced the United States has carried out what

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Speaker 3: he calls a large scale attack inside Venezuela. And yes,

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Speaker 3: US forces have captured President Nicholas Maduro.

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Speaker 4: And his wife.

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Speaker 3: We know that they have been flown out of Venezuela,

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Speaker 3: out of the country, but we do not know where

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Speaker 3: they have been taken, where they are being held. And yes,

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Speaker 3: the attack happened around one am Eastern time, while all

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Speaker 3: of us were sleeping, and that was two am local

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Speaker 2: Now that is what we got initially, and most of

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Speaker 2: the information we got has been at this point from

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Speaker 2: President Trump himself in a social media post, because initially, look,

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Speaker 2: there were reports and videos out there on social media,

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Speaker 2: and of course news channel started covering there were pretty

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Speaker 2: to the conclusion that the United States was taking some

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Speaker 2: President Trump. His post, I think was around four o'clock

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Speaker 3: Yes, this is what he put out on his truth

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Speaker 3: social The United States of America.

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Speaker 4: Has successfully carried out.

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Speaker 3: A large scale strike against Venezuela and its leader, President

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Speaker 3: Nicholas Maduro, who has been along with his wife, captured

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Speaker 3: in conjunction with US law enforcement.

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Speaker 4: Details to follow.

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Speaker 3: There will be a news conference today at eleven am

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Speaker 3: at mar A Lago. Thank you for this attention to

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Speaker 3: this matter, President Donald J.

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Speaker 1: Trump.

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Speaker 2: So, as of this recording, we don't know where Nicholas

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Speaker 2: That is the United States because now a US Senator

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Speaker 2: Mike Lee from Utah, he put out a tweet. This

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Speaker 2: is how we're getting out information these days, tweets right

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Speaker 2: social media, even from the president about strikes.

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Speaker 1: We are looking at social media about it.

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Speaker 2: But Senator Mike Lee put out a tweet saying that

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Speaker 2: he talked to Marco Rubio, Secretary of State, who told

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Speaker 2: him that the plan is to get Maduro back to

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Speaker 2: the United States to face trial.

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Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, that.

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Speaker 3: Is a spectacle like I have never seen before. Yes,

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Speaker 3: he is supposed to.

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Speaker 4: Stand trial on criminal charges in the US. Is that

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Speaker 4: something that any of us know what to do with?

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Speaker 2: I mean, look, the guy is. If we don't look,

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Speaker 2: look a lot of been going on with Venezuela. This

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Speaker 2: guy is regarded by many as a narco terrorist who

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Speaker 2: runs not one, but maybe a couple to a few

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Speaker 2: terrorism organizations around the world. So they've been after him

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Speaker 2: for a long long time. He has faced an indictment

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Speaker 2: in the United States back in twenty twenty. But I

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Speaker 2: mean he wasn't here. Okay, what are you going to do?

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Speaker 2: He's not actionable, has a good work, but if you're

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Speaker 2: facing a criminal trial or criminal indictment, they don't send

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Speaker 2: the military to come pick you up.

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Speaker 1: No other ways to do it.

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Speaker 3: Usually, and Maduro this most recent election, I believe was

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Speaker 4: He did not win, and yet he stayed in.

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Speaker 3: Office correct allegedly, I mean, well, is he even in office?

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Speaker 2: Leagal legitimately the world will tell you that this was

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Speaker 2: not a legitimate election, but within their sovereign walls, he

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Speaker 2: is and has been their president. He is for whatever, Yes,

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Speaker 2: he is the president of another country. We just snatched

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Speaker 2: him from his home and took him out and don't

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Speaker 2: know where he is. This is just not how things

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Speaker 1: They are already in.

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Speaker 2: Venezuela calling for the UN to immediately have a meeting

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Speaker 2: about this. They say they are getting their defense forces ready,

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Speaker 2: and so there's a big vacuum there.

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Speaker 1: Who's in charge of a place that's very.

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Speaker 2: Influential, powerful and possibly has a lot of criminal activity.

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Speaker 2: Who's in charge of that country and who are they

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Speaker 3: Well, we know who they're connected to in terms of

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Speaker 3: big countries around the world, including Russia, so this will

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Speaker 3: be interesting. But in terms of the defense of our actions,

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Speaker 3: we got this as well from Mike Lee, Senator Mike

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Speaker 3: the president's inherent authority under Article two of the Constitution

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Speaker 3: to protect US personnel from an actual or imminent attack.

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Speaker 3: So we have to prove that we felt like Venezuela

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Speaker 4: And can they make that argument saying.

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Speaker 3: By bringing all of the drugs into our country, that

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Speaker 3: is in a sense an attack on our people.

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Speaker 2: That's been described as a stretch so far this morning

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Speaker 2: There's been a state of emergency issued in that country,

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Speaker 2: but we don't know. I mean, I guess this is

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Speaker 2: the question I should have started with this. If we

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Speaker 2: knowing that the United States just launched an attack inside

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Speaker 2: we at war? Yes, we don't know, because we don't

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Speaker 2: know what Venezuela is going to do. Obviously they're no

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Speaker 2: match for the United States military, but what where are

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Speaker 4: There's no match. There's obviously there's no match for the

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Speaker 3: However, they have their ways and certainly they are going

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Speaker 3: to want to retaliate. So there is a deep concern

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Speaker 3: and again with their allies around the world world, what

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Speaker 3: does this mean? Many people have already condemned our actions.

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Speaker 3: So this is a little This is not a little.

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Speaker 3: This is a lot concerning. And you said war. An

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Speaker 3: act of war we know has to come from the

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Speaker 2: So that is another issue that you bring up there.

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Speaker 2: It is unclear whether or not they gave any certainly

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Speaker 2: that is the case. Let's go back here if I can,

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Speaker 2: if I don't want to skip over, a couple of

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Speaker 2: has hit certain targets within the country. Maduro, even at

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Speaker 2: word he got snatched out of the country. I've seen

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Speaker 2: so many movies where this has taking place. This is

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Speaker 2: not supposed to happen a president of another country. I

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Speaker 2: know we're good here, our military. I think they said

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Speaker 2: Delta Force was in charge of this one. I know

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Speaker 3: That they were able to do that, to get through

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Speaker 4: The fact that he knew they were.

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Speaker 3: Under attack and he was still grabbed by the US

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Speaker 2: Look, you agree or disagree or the move and legal

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Speaker 2: and illegal when these things happen. How impressed are you

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Speaker 4: How do they do what they do?

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Speaker 2: Mean they are they can do anything, it seems. So

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Speaker 2: this is the details. I don't know how many we're

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Speaker 2: going to get from the president. He's now at mor Lago,

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Speaker 2: but eleven am Eastern time is when he said he's

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Speaker 3: And we also have heard and look, there's nothing been confirmed,

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Speaker 3: but we have heard reports coming out of Venezuela. They

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Speaker 3: are claiming that civilians, that there were casualties in some

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Speaker 3: we don't have any specific numbers coming from Venezuela, but

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Speaker 3: they are saying that there were casualties, there were what

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Speaker 3: sadly is referred to as collateral damage with some of

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Speaker 4: That it does sound like a movie.

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Speaker 3: It sounds like we woke up and are watching a movie,

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Speaker 1: Venezuela is demanding that the United States prove that their president.

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Speaker 2: Is alive and his wife. We are in some extraordinary

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Speaker 1: This is his third term as president. He's had a

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Speaker 2: But that twenty twenty four election, as you mentioned, has

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Speaker 2: But the United States has not recognized this guy as

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Speaker 2: So this and the assets we built up in the region,

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Speaker 3: Everyone week, every day it seemed like there was another

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Speaker 4: Killed on those boats. That's not that's not in signs.

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Speaker 3: And we also have banned all US aircraft or sorry

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Speaker 3: But I don't think anyone expected the snatch and grab,

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Speaker 1: Look, we watch a lot of movies.

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Speaker 2: Everybody has seen something in the movies like this before

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Speaker 1: They went in and got.

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Speaker 4: No, it's surreal to think about it.

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Speaker 3: Do you think they wear body cameras like that they

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Speaker 3: Just to verify how they did it, how well it went,

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Speaker 2: So many details to come, we expect to get them

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Speaker 1: Rose.

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Speaker 2: This is such big breaking news on a Saturday morning.

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Speaker 2: I didn't expect to be up and functioning this much.

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to talk. But this is just a stunning development.

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Speaker 1: Overnight I woke up.

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Speaker 4: At five am.

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Speaker 3: I believe, and you were already sitting up with your

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Speaker 2: And you know what, I don't know what day this

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Speaker 3: Yes, and he will be facing charges. He will be

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Speaker 3: He's obviously been called an arco terras so trafficking guns

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Speaker 3: I believe a dozen or so others that I don't

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Speaker 3: So we've got a whole gaggle of Venezuelan leaders who

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Speaker 1: But do we have what is that legal battle? Do

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Speaker 2: Is someone somewhere else going to challenge what the US

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Speaker 2: this was a criminal This was a criminal charge. He's

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Speaker 2: but I've never visited, but considered, have you been down there?

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Speaker 4: I have never been to Venezuela.

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Speaker 3: I guess the closest I've no, I have not maybe

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Speaker 2: Yeah, most can we pick it out on a map folks.

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Speaker 2: If you end up with a vacuum there, Now, what

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Speaker 3: Yes, I mean there are a million questions. Obviously, Venezuela

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Speaker 3: Talk about destabilization and just some bad folks who do

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Speaker 1: That is the big question today.

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Speaker 2: At least as we sit here Robes, there is no

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Speaker 2: But right now they're demanding unn meeting, they're demanding a

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Speaker 4: My goodness.

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Speaker 2: So folks, this is when we will keep an eye

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Speaker 2: the hell is going on? President today, eleven o'clock Eastern Time,

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Speaker 2: speaking for mar A Lago. We will hop on if

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Speaker 2: so we'll be talking to you all again here soon

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Speaker 2: for my dear Amy Robot.

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Speaker 1: I'm TJ. Holmes. Talk to Y'allson