1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:04,560 Speaker 1: Forget the Titanic folks. If there is one boat that 2 00:00:04,640 --> 00:00:08,000 Speaker 1: could properly be called the most famous boat in the world, 3 00:00:08,320 --> 00:00:13,000 Speaker 1: then it is Noah's Ark, that's right, the one from 4 00:00:13,160 --> 00:00:19,120 Speaker 1: biblical lore where Noah, according to the story, saved multiple 5 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:26,160 Speaker 1: animals and his family from a cataclysmic flood. For centuries, 6 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:30,560 Speaker 1: various different groups have claimed they've discovered the remnants of 7 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:35,120 Speaker 1: Noah's Ark or they've nailed down the location of this vessel. 8 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:39,800 Speaker 1: But despite the controversy in skepticism and numerous dead ends, 9 00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:44,360 Speaker 1: the search continues in the present day and might be 10 00:00:44,440 --> 00:00:47,040 Speaker 1: surprised to learn there are more than a few Arc 11 00:00:47,120 --> 00:00:50,640 Speaker 1: hunters who think there's a conspiracy of foot that the 12 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:54,319 Speaker 1: modern world or some faction of it, knows the arc 13 00:00:54,440 --> 00:00:57,880 Speaker 1: is real, but are working to hide that knowledge from 14 00:00:57,920 --> 00:01:00,320 Speaker 1: the rest of the world. What are we talking about, 15 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 1: Let's dive in from UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. 16 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:09,920 Speaker 1: History is riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back 17 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:25,480 Speaker 1: now or learn this stuff they don't want you to know. Hello, 18 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:27,560 Speaker 1: welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my 19 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:30,600 Speaker 1: name is Knowl, and I've been your view that makes 20 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 1: this stuff They don't want you to know. As we 21 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:39,200 Speaker 1: get closer and closer to the end of this calendar year, 22 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:45,320 Speaker 1: we're looking back into the past, way way way back 23 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:48,040 Speaker 1: into the past. I have a question of you, matt Old. 24 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:50,480 Speaker 1: Did you guys ever go to Sunday School growing up? 25 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:54,960 Speaker 1: I did? And Bible Camp and Bible Camp. Here what 26 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:58,000 Speaker 1: happens at Bible camp? You'd just been a play Bible games, 27 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:03,160 Speaker 1: sing Bible songs, watch Bible programs. Did uh? Did you 28 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:06,120 Speaker 1: guys ever spend any time in Sunday School or Bible 29 00:02:06,160 --> 00:02:11,560 Speaker 1: Camp looking at the story of Noah. Absolutely, so it's 30 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:15,799 Speaker 1: gonna be familiar to almost everybody listening. I would be 31 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:19,920 Speaker 1: a little surprised if this was a spoiler for anyone, 32 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:22,919 Speaker 1: but we have learned to be careful of spoilers, right, 33 00:02:24,440 --> 00:02:26,680 Speaker 1: so most people know the gist of the Noah story. 34 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 1: There's a man named Noah who receives messages from God, 35 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:34,200 Speaker 1: and God tells him to build a massive wooden boat, 36 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 1: which we call an arc uh. And this is to 37 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:41,520 Speaker 1: ensure the safety of his family and all of the 38 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:45,680 Speaker 1: animals in the world during a massive flood that sweeps 39 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:49,720 Speaker 1: across the planet. Yes, and nobody believed him that this 40 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:51,560 Speaker 1: was gonna happen when he was trying to warn people, 41 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:53,639 Speaker 1: and as he's building this thing, and he looks like 42 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:57,320 Speaker 1: crazy person out in his yard somewhere building a boat. 43 00:02:57,919 --> 00:02:59,960 Speaker 1: And here is a spoiler alert. Seriously, if you have 44 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:03,520 Speaker 1: seen the movie Noah, featuring Russell Crowe playing the titular character, 45 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:07,440 Speaker 1: it features giant rock monsters that tell Noah what to do. 46 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:10,880 Speaker 1: They're referred to as the Watchers often and they are 47 00:03:10,880 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 1: worthy of a podcast all on their own. Uh. And 48 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:19,000 Speaker 1: that is a film by Aronofsky taking taking a little 49 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:24,080 Speaker 1: bit of Uh, let's say, you know, the writers on 50 00:03:24,160 --> 00:03:29,840 Speaker 1: that used a lot of old pre Christian Jewish sources 51 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:34,680 Speaker 1: as well, which is why for many evangelical people in 52 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:39,680 Speaker 1: the crowd it uh, it had some unfamiliar elements. Of course, 53 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:44,600 Speaker 1: two Knowel's point, Uh, I don't believe anywhere in any 54 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 1: of the Holy Text does does it ever say that 55 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:53,680 Speaker 1: these Watchers are you know, rock monsters. But they look cool. 56 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 1: It's like those old Ray Harry Housen uh stop motion 57 00:03:56,800 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 1: animations from like Sinbad and things like that. That's what 58 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:03,560 Speaker 1: reminds me. But anyway, moving on. Uh. Yes, according to 59 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 1: the Book of Genesis, God gave Noah these instructions for 60 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 1: building the arc, but didn't really do anything to back 61 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:14,320 Speaker 1: the guy up in his community, didn't really tell anybody else, 62 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:17,120 Speaker 1: just told the one guy built a boat. UH. Seven 63 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 1: days before the flood begins, God tells Noah to enter 64 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:25,560 Speaker 1: this art with his household and again all the animals 65 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:28,920 Speaker 1: in the world too, by two right. Spoiler alert. It worked, 66 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:32,440 Speaker 1: you guys. According to the story, Noah, his household, and 67 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:37,000 Speaker 1: all of the animals were spared. They they survived as 68 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:39,760 Speaker 1: the ark was afloat for a hundred and fifty days 69 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 1: before coming to rest on the mountains of Air Act. Yes, 70 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 1: and we know some of the specifics from the story 71 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:53,839 Speaker 1: of you know, sending out birds to UH search for 72 00:04:54,279 --> 00:04:57,920 Speaker 1: dry land. The story is repeated with variations in the Koran, 73 00:04:58,040 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 1: where the arc appears as Safina the Uh the genesis 74 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:05,880 Speaker 1: flood story let's call the flood narrative. Here's the thing 75 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:10,520 Speaker 1: about it. It is similar to many, many, many other 76 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:14,640 Speaker 1: floodness from a variety of cultures. The earliest known written 77 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:19,479 Speaker 1: example is the Sumerian version UH found in the Epic 78 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:22,600 Speaker 1: of Zia Sudra. And people have been searching for this 79 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:28,960 Speaker 1: arc for centuries and centuries and centuries, and uh you know, 80 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:31,680 Speaker 1: there have been various claims that have been made that 81 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:34,000 Speaker 1: pieces of an arc have been found. You may have 82 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:38,919 Speaker 1: seen stories before online. Um, but people have been searching 83 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:44,359 Speaker 1: this for this arc since what to seventy five C. Yeah, 84 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:47,880 Speaker 1: at least since the time of Eusebius up to the 85 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:52,080 Speaker 1: present day. Here are the facts. We'll do some bubble 86 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:57,960 Speaker 1: busting first. There is no scientific evidence for a global 87 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:03,680 Speaker 1: flood as disc gribed uh in in this literature. And 88 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 1: we are not, of course disclaimer, we are not in 89 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:12,640 Speaker 1: any way denigrating a person's religion or anybody's faith. We're 90 00:06:12,640 --> 00:06:14,960 Speaker 1: we're looking at, you know, the way this story is 91 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:20,839 Speaker 1: told and what the evidence scientists can find now tells 92 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 1: us about the veracity there. So right now, there's no 93 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:28,640 Speaker 1: scientific evidence for a global flood of this proportion, and 94 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:34,200 Speaker 1: despite many many expeditions, no universally agreed on evidence of 95 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:39,200 Speaker 1: the arc has been found for well over century. Scholars 96 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:43,440 Speaker 1: have recognized that the the story here is based on 97 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:49,240 Speaker 1: these older stories, these Mesopotamia models and stuff. Because, uh, 98 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:51,840 Speaker 1: one thing we notice when we do any kind of 99 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:55,480 Speaker 1: comparative literature, when we start to trace the d n 100 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:58,640 Speaker 1: A if you will, of a story is that many 101 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:05,039 Speaker 1: many story These are newer versions of earlier mints. Uh. 102 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:07,640 Speaker 1: There's a great series of books by a fellow named 103 00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 1: Joseph Campbell that you can read. For more information on this, 104 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:15,320 Speaker 1: I would recommend UH Hero with a Thousand Faces, which 105 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:20,600 Speaker 1: looks at everything from the it sets forth the rules 106 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:24,760 Speaker 1: of stories and the way that humans right and experienced stories, 107 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:28,360 Speaker 1: everything from the epic of Gilgamesh, one of the earliest 108 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:32,360 Speaker 1: known works of literature, to UM. I don't know, lethal 109 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:35,640 Speaker 1: weapon lethal, I guess it would work. I got it 110 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:37,840 Speaker 1: my favorite lethal weapon three. I just think, you know, 111 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:41,120 Speaker 1: Joe Pesci finally took on a much larger role in 112 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:44,960 Speaker 1: that particular film. I feel like it's highly underwritten. Without 113 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:47,560 Speaker 1: having talked to him. In my head, I can imagine 114 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:49,600 Speaker 1: Joe Pesci saying, that is the role he was born 115 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:51,960 Speaker 1: to play. It's true. You know, if you've seen the 116 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:56,600 Speaker 1: Zeitgeist films, that book in particular was highly influential on 117 00:07:57,000 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 1: how they looked at some of the religion aspects of Zeitgeist. 118 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 1: So because all of these flood stories in this in 119 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:09,600 Speaker 1: this Zeitgeist, if you will deal with events that allegedly 120 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:12,240 Speaker 1: happened at the dawn of history. They give us the 121 00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 1: impression that the myths themselves must be very, very old. 122 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:21,440 Speaker 1: And that's kind of weird because we can sort of 123 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:26,320 Speaker 1: roughly trace back where this myth of a global flood began, 124 00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:31,480 Speaker 1: and we can also find a little bit of evidence 125 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:34,200 Speaker 1: that might surprise some folks. Uh, here's let's let the 126 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 1: badger out of the bagh. The myth of the global 127 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:41,200 Speaker 1: flood that destroys almost all life begins to appear what's 128 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:43,680 Speaker 1: known as the Old Babylonian period, that would be the 129 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:47,520 Speaker 1: twenty to sixteenth centuries b c E. And I know 130 00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:49,600 Speaker 1: what a lot of people are thinking, You guys, like, 131 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:56,559 Speaker 1: that's a four hundred year margin. Yeah, that's that's Uh, 132 00:08:56,600 --> 00:09:00,240 Speaker 1: that's the closest that history can get. And they're print 133 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:04,559 Speaker 1: versions of this Mesopotamian flood story. Now there nine different 134 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:08,280 Speaker 1: known versions. Each is more or less adapted from the 135 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:11,480 Speaker 1: previous version. In the oldest version, the hero is King 136 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:15,679 Speaker 1: Zia Sudra, and this version was inscribed about six hundred 137 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:19,480 Speaker 1: b c. E. In the Sumerian city of Nippur. It's 138 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:22,880 Speaker 1: known as the Sumerian Flood story and probably derives from 139 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:26,520 Speaker 1: some earlier version. From that happened before that one um 140 00:09:26,559 --> 00:09:29,440 Speaker 1: and the Zia Sudra version tells how he builds this 141 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:34,320 Speaker 1: boat and rescues all different forms of life when the 142 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:37,320 Speaker 1: gods just just decide to destroy the whole thing, and 143 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 1: it's this would be multiple gods, this would be a 144 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:44,000 Speaker 1: pantheon of gods at this point. But the basics are 145 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:48,480 Speaker 1: the same, you know. There there are other stories that 146 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:52,040 Speaker 1: descend from this and now in our present day and age. 147 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:55,280 Speaker 1: The most popular one, or most well known one, is 148 00:09:55,360 --> 00:10:01,040 Speaker 1: the story of Noah. The version closest to the present 149 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:04,280 Speaker 1: day version, the oldest version, it's probably the closest, is 150 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:08,760 Speaker 1: that in the epic of Gilgamesh, the character Pishtam who 151 00:10:09,559 --> 00:10:13,480 Speaker 1: does the same thing, builds about saves the world. Flood 152 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 1: myths occur in cultures across this planet, across time. We're 153 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:21,079 Speaker 1: not just talking about the Middle East. We're talking about 154 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:26,120 Speaker 1: not just Mesotamia Mesopotamia, but India, Greece, Norse mythology, the 155 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:30,240 Speaker 1: Key j and Maya people in Mesoamerica, uh different Native 156 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:35,240 Speaker 1: American tribes and both North and South America. People have 157 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:38,760 Speaker 1: been searching for this legendary arc ever since. But here's 158 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:46,320 Speaker 1: the thing. Some people believe that they have already found it. Whoa, 159 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:49,000 Speaker 1: and we will talk about them and more when we 160 00:10:49,080 --> 00:11:02,320 Speaker 1: return from a quick break. Here's where it gets crazy. 161 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:04,839 Speaker 1: In two thousand seven and two thousand and eight, a 162 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 1: team of evangelical Christians claimed to have discovered the remains 163 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:10,280 Speaker 1: of Noah's Ark on the peak of Mount Era Rat 164 00:11:10,360 --> 00:11:15,199 Speaker 1: in modern day Armenia, and specifically they believe they found well, 165 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:18,000 Speaker 1: what they actually found was seven large compartments that were 166 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:22,079 Speaker 1: buried about thirteen thousand feet four thousand meters above sea 167 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:24,840 Speaker 1: level um. They then returned to the site with a 168 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:28,520 Speaker 1: film crew in October of two thousand and nine. The 169 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:32,040 Speaker 1: team says that radio carbon dated wood taken from the site, 170 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:35,000 Speaker 1: whose location they're keeping under wraps for the time being, 171 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:39,080 Speaker 1: show yeah that the purported arc is about forty eight 172 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:43,000 Speaker 1: hundred years old, which checks out. It's about right roughly 173 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:47,360 Speaker 1: the same time period as Noah's flood that's implied in 174 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:52,080 Speaker 1: the Bible. So let's do some pros and cons. Sounds 175 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:56,360 Speaker 1: good first. The pros, it's completely possible that they found 176 00:11:56,440 --> 00:12:00,360 Speaker 1: something up there. It's even possible, if not plausible, that 177 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:04,600 Speaker 1: this is some sort of ship what on top of 178 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:10,280 Speaker 1: a mountain? Stranger things have happened, my friend. Uh. The 179 00:12:10,320 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 1: team themselves say that they are ninety nine point nine 180 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:18,360 Speaker 1: percent sure that this is the indeed the remnant of 181 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:23,520 Speaker 1: the biblical arc. Uh. This the name of the outfit 182 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:27,840 Speaker 1: that went to search for this was Noah's Arc Ministries International. 183 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:33,760 Speaker 1: It's fairly specific and it doesn't do the best for impartiality, 184 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:39,360 Speaker 1: but it is a It does show us that they 185 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:43,640 Speaker 1: wanted to find this thing for sure. So I've got 186 00:12:43,640 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 1: a quote here from the filmmaker who accompanied the explorers 187 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:52,080 Speaker 1: of fellow named Uh Young Wi Chung, who said, it's 188 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:55,680 Speaker 1: not that it is Noah's Ark, but we think it 189 00:12:55,800 --> 00:13:01,800 Speaker 1: is nine percent. Oh that is really Yeah, well they 190 00:13:01,880 --> 00:13:05,280 Speaker 1: got a margin of error there. Uh. So let's let's 191 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:07,600 Speaker 1: talk about some of the cons there. There are quite 192 00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:13,880 Speaker 1: a few cons. First, the existence of arc itself. While 193 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:18,440 Speaker 1: there are very specific measurements in the UH in the 194 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:23,720 Speaker 1: canonical text, UH, existence of an arc doing the kind 195 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:29,079 Speaker 1: of stuff that it's described as doing is wildly implausible. 196 00:13:30,040 --> 00:13:34,120 Speaker 1: So the big sticking point for people whould interpret this 197 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:39,559 Speaker 1: literally is the idea of the animals. Human beings still 198 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:43,440 Speaker 1: have no idea exactly how many species of animals exist 199 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:47,760 Speaker 1: when you count insects, right, It's true, multiple species of 200 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:51,160 Speaker 1: insects are dying every year before humans even know what 201 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:56,880 Speaker 1: they are. And there's no man made structure capable of 202 00:13:56,880 --> 00:14:02,560 Speaker 1: holding all the animal in one place. If there was, 203 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:06,000 Speaker 1: you need more than two for suitable breeding population for 204 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:09,400 Speaker 1: most animals, especially manimals. Even if you broke it down 205 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:12,280 Speaker 1: into this. This sounds crazy when you think about it, 206 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:15,360 Speaker 1: but I'm just thinking of earlier versions of this, where 207 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:18,160 Speaker 1: there's an ARC that has all of the DNA stored 208 00:14:18,280 --> 00:14:21,160 Speaker 1: of every you know, living species that is known just 209 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:25,040 Speaker 1: in tubes somewhere on the ship, it would still be impossible. 210 00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:27,400 Speaker 1: That's you know, that's a really good point. And think 211 00:14:27,440 --> 00:14:30,240 Speaker 1: about that. We are kind of building arcs. Our species 212 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:34,040 Speaker 1: is now with the doomsday vault in uh Scandinavia that 213 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:38,400 Speaker 1: holds hold seats, right. Can you guys think of any 214 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:41,520 Speaker 1: analogs and science fiction films, It feels like they're that 215 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:43,320 Speaker 1: is just ripe for it, like a kind of a 216 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:47,720 Speaker 1: space Noah's Ark, you know, going out into the universe 217 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:52,320 Speaker 1: trying to re establish civilization, where like you know, samples 218 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:53,960 Speaker 1: of all kinds of different pieces of d N A, 219 00:14:54,680 --> 00:14:57,320 Speaker 1: there was some of that in Um Interstellar Actually no 220 00:14:57,440 --> 00:15:00,240 Speaker 1: spoilers there, well a little bit, but watch there's there's 221 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:02,240 Speaker 1: a whole thing about like kind of like starting a 222 00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:05,400 Speaker 1: new civilization, and it has that feel of kind of 223 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:07,920 Speaker 1: like a Noah's Ark vibe, which I think it's cool. 224 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:10,920 Speaker 1: That's that's a really good point because we are still 225 00:15:11,160 --> 00:15:15,160 Speaker 1: you know, we forget sometimes that mythology is not this 226 00:15:15,240 --> 00:15:19,760 Speaker 1: old dead thing. Mythology is alive, and we are participating 227 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:22,400 Speaker 1: in it every time we tell the stories. So well, 228 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:25,760 Speaker 1: hence the repeated flood stories. I mean, it's a narrative 229 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:28,960 Speaker 1: that makes sense in terms of fearing some sort of 230 00:15:29,080 --> 00:15:32,960 Speaker 1: intense natural disaster that also has sort of like a 231 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:35,600 Speaker 1: cleansing quality where there's always like a need for a 232 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:39,480 Speaker 1: reset kind of society, civilization has devolved in some way. 233 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:43,440 Speaker 1: And and and it's a very interesting literary device, I 234 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:45,840 Speaker 1: will say. And you get a rainbow at the end, 235 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:49,000 Speaker 1: like a mint, like an Andy's mint after after dinner 236 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:51,880 Speaker 1: on your pillow, yeah, or on your pillow. So yeah, 237 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:54,320 Speaker 1: there are a couple of There are many science fiction 238 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:59,800 Speaker 1: films actually that do have some sort of arc like thing, 239 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:03,200 Speaker 1: because it's one of the best guesses people have about 240 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:07,680 Speaker 1: how to take the human species through space and time. Uh, 241 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:09,560 Speaker 1: you know, we can't most of the places that we 242 00:16:09,640 --> 00:16:12,960 Speaker 1: want to go, we can't reach in one person's lifetime. 243 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:15,960 Speaker 1: So we'd have to have a self sustaining thing, you know, 244 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:20,160 Speaker 1: take the mountain to Mohammed sort of idea. One one 245 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:22,800 Speaker 1: example would be Pandorum, which is a film that I 246 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:25,680 Speaker 1: don't think it's enough credit, which I thought the one 247 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:28,200 Speaker 1: about like space madness. Is there some space madness in 248 00:16:28,360 --> 00:16:30,840 Speaker 1: all then there's some space bandness. Yeah, I'm a fan 249 00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:33,040 Speaker 1: of space madness because they're out there in the in 250 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:37,120 Speaker 1: the ink for a while, in deep space. But with 251 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:43,080 Speaker 1: deep space, you know, allegorically here replacing the ocean. Uh. 252 00:16:43,240 --> 00:16:47,840 Speaker 1: If we look back at the earlier search, right, the 253 00:16:47,920 --> 00:16:52,160 Speaker 1: idea that the idea that yes, there was some sort 254 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:58,880 Speaker 1: of large wooden boat that survived a flood, that idea 255 00:16:58,960 --> 00:17:03,000 Speaker 1: is not implausible. The the the idea that it holds 256 00:17:03,040 --> 00:17:08,320 Speaker 1: all the animals is a little bit fanciful. Um. But 257 00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:13,280 Speaker 1: the other thing is that this mount error at belief 258 00:17:13,520 --> 00:17:16,000 Speaker 1: is very specific and it's been a while around for 259 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:19,439 Speaker 1: a while. According to Jack Sasson, uh, professor of Jewish 260 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:22,760 Speaker 1: and Biblical Studies of Vanderbilt, University out in Tennessee. The 261 00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:25,240 Speaker 1: whole belief amount er At as the resting place of 262 00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:28,639 Speaker 1: the art comes from a kind of loose interpretation of 263 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:32,880 Speaker 1: Biblical description, because the Bible mentions a place called Aura 264 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:37,520 Speaker 1: to an ancient kingdom in modern day eastern Turkey. And 265 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:43,040 Speaker 1: so people have decided or discovered or come come to 266 00:17:43,119 --> 00:17:48,439 Speaker 1: the conclusion somehow that mounts error At is the is 267 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:50,480 Speaker 1: the resting place. It kind of made it fit the 268 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:55,840 Speaker 1: narrative now. Paul Zamanski Uh, an archaeologist who specializes in 269 00:17:55,840 --> 00:17:58,800 Speaker 1: the Middle East at stony Brook University in New York, 270 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:03,320 Speaker 1: notes Uh says something that I think a lot of 271 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:07,280 Speaker 1: people find interesting is a little snarky. I don't know 272 00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:09,960 Speaker 1: of any expedition that ever went looking for the Ok 273 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:14,000 Speaker 1: and didn't find it. And he adds that nobody associated 274 00:18:14,040 --> 00:18:18,879 Speaker 1: that mountain with the Ok until the tenth century BC. Furthermore, 275 00:18:19,119 --> 00:18:22,199 Speaker 1: there's no geological evidence for a mass flood and Turkey 276 00:18:22,280 --> 00:18:24,840 Speaker 1: round four thousand years ago. I don't know if that's 277 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:27,439 Speaker 1: how he sounds. I like this Paulsky guy. I I 278 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:29,480 Speaker 1: hope that's how he sounds, but I don't I don't 279 00:18:29,480 --> 00:18:32,960 Speaker 1: think he sounds that way. Sorry, Paul no offense. So 280 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:34,960 Speaker 1: as you can imagine, the group who claimed to discover 281 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:37,080 Speaker 1: the arc in the early two thousand's believes they were 282 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:42,679 Speaker 1: discriminated against due to their religious beliefs, that there is 283 00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:48,400 Speaker 1: a conspiracy a foot. Well, sure I can, I can 284 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:51,479 Speaker 1: see that if you truly believe you found the ark. 285 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:55,480 Speaker 1: I mean, I've seen those Dan Brown movies and read 286 00:18:55,480 --> 00:18:58,680 Speaker 1: the books. It reminds me of Indiana Jones too. Sure. 287 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:03,840 Speaker 1: I am always I'm always a sucker for an adventurous 288 00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:09,399 Speaker 1: archaeological exploration. And we do know that a lot of 289 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:15,520 Speaker 1: things that were believed to be mythological or fictional are 290 00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:19,359 Speaker 1: proven eventually to be real things. Not all the time, 291 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:23,760 Speaker 1: but oftentimes. One great example that we are fond of 292 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:27,080 Speaker 1: bringing up on this show is the city of Troy. 293 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:33,760 Speaker 1: That's right, listeners, depending on your age um. In previous generations, 294 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:38,240 Speaker 1: very close to recent history, people thought Troy was just 295 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:44,160 Speaker 1: ah a pretty story for the Rubes, and anyone who 296 00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:47,920 Speaker 1: claimed to believe that Troy was real was either lying 297 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:51,879 Speaker 1: to you to swindle you, or was dumb enough to 298 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:56,880 Speaker 1: be swindled themselves. And then boom turns out ye yep, 299 00:19:57,480 --> 00:20:01,920 Speaker 1: good job, human beings. We lost an entire ay for centuries, 300 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:04,760 Speaker 1: and we've and we've done the same. We still have 301 00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:12,320 Speaker 1: many lost cities, uh in underwater now, or pyramids that 302 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 1: are essentially hidden into the structure of a mountain right right, 303 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:19,399 Speaker 1: or things that have been eaten by the jungle in 304 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:22,560 Speaker 1: South America which is still possibly which you can still 305 00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:25,520 Speaker 1: find via lidar. But as we have mentioned in our 306 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:28,920 Speaker 1: podcast on law civilizations, some of those governments have reasons 307 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:32,359 Speaker 1: to not show them. I'm not talking about some huge 308 00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:37,600 Speaker 1: apocalyptic conspiracy. I'm saying that if the United Nations rules 309 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:42,720 Speaker 1: them as historically significant locations, then the government is on 310 00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:45,840 Speaker 1: the hook for protecting them and paying for their maintenance. 311 00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:50,639 Speaker 1: So unfortunately, that's that's a real thing, because a real conspiracy. 312 00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:54,879 Speaker 1: It is. It is, but it seems so not petty, 313 00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:57,560 Speaker 1: just like not that big of a deal. I guess 314 00:20:57,560 --> 00:21:00,280 Speaker 1: it can get quite expensive to protect a law urge 315 00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:02,920 Speaker 1: site in that way, and it would be enough to 316 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:05,600 Speaker 1: prevent a government from wanting to have it on the books, 317 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:07,920 Speaker 1: I guess sure, especially if you're cash strapped and corrupt. 318 00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:13,080 Speaker 1: Cash strapped or corrupt, those are two particular particularly interesting 319 00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:18,479 Speaker 1: flavors of government. They go great together. Peasing carrots. You 320 00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:22,000 Speaker 1: have examples of it, are not those of governments that 321 00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:25,400 Speaker 1: are not either of those categories. Well, it's as I'm saying, 322 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:30,199 Speaker 1: it's all gradations of of cast strappedness and corrupt. I 323 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:36,560 Speaker 1: hear Singapore's uh, pretty uncorrupted. However they are also very authoritarian. 324 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:39,960 Speaker 1: That's that's that's one. That's another end of the continuum there, 325 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:45,080 Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, either authoritarian, corrupt, or cash strapped. It's 326 00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:48,600 Speaker 1: like that old thing about oh what's We repeat this 327 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:50,600 Speaker 1: a lot when we're talking about video and film off 328 00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:54,280 Speaker 1: air U you can have something fast, good, or cheap. 329 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:58,560 Speaker 1: You can only have two of those three. Yeah, choose 330 00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:01,439 Speaker 1: because you're gonna miss one. But the idea here that 331 00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:07,360 Speaker 1: there would be an archaeological conspiracy is not from from 332 00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:10,200 Speaker 1: the people who believe in it. It's not that far 333 00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:13,440 Speaker 1: fetched because we know that there has been suppression of 334 00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:20,080 Speaker 1: the past before, in multiple instances of dominant cultures seek 335 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:26,000 Speaker 1: to erase the record or the history of the people 336 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:29,160 Speaker 1: who came before or the culture that they that had 337 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:33,119 Speaker 1: been supplanted. And this is not ancient history. This is 338 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:38,600 Speaker 1: happening now around the world. Places with different places are 339 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:41,679 Speaker 1: getting their names changed to match the language of the 340 00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:46,240 Speaker 1: dominant culture or the would be dominant culture. UM our 341 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:52,159 Speaker 1: own our own country has a vast and disturbing history 342 00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:57,359 Speaker 1: of seeking to eradicate UH native people's right. And so 343 00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:02,680 Speaker 1: for people who believe that there is a biblical arc, 344 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:08,159 Speaker 1: for people who literally interpret this UM as you know, 345 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:13,119 Speaker 1: the word of God, not an allegory, then it would 346 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:17,760 Speaker 1: be it would be completely within the realm of hossibility 347 00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:23,640 Speaker 1: for a dominant government to suppress the evidence of this. 348 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:27,159 Speaker 1: An author named Carl Bright believes the arc is not 349 00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:30,240 Speaker 1: only real, but hidden from the mainstream actively, and he 350 00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:33,080 Speaker 1: wrote a book called Quest for Discovery, One Man's Epic 351 00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:36,200 Speaker 1: Search for Noah's Ark. He argues that world governments are 352 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:40,520 Speaker 1: suppressing the location of the arc because they don't want 353 00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:45,320 Speaker 1: to UM. Well, here we have a quote. I firmly 354 00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:48,440 Speaker 1: believe that the governments of Turkey, Russia, and the United 355 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:53,119 Speaker 1: States know exactly where the arc sits. They suppress the information, 356 00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:57,120 Speaker 1: But God is in charge. The structure will be revealed 357 00:23:57,200 --> 00:24:00,639 Speaker 1: in its time. We climb the mountain insert hoping it 358 00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:04,639 Speaker 1: is in fact God's time. As we climb, use are 359 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:09,600 Speaker 1: so Lord is our prayer, so as you can see 360 00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:15,879 Speaker 1: this UH. This author also has clearly a an established 361 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:20,119 Speaker 1: belief system here, and it's always tricky when we explore 362 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:25,959 Speaker 1: the nature of belief, being such a fundamentally subjective and 363 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:34,760 Speaker 1: private thing. So we would love to hear from you, ladies, gentlemen, others, shadows, 364 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:39,000 Speaker 1: anyone who happens to be a massive spiders wearing a 365 00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:42,159 Speaker 1: bag of flesh. We won't tell your secret, but we 366 00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:44,879 Speaker 1: do want to know what you think about the story 367 00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:48,399 Speaker 1: of Noah's art. It's generally considered by academia to be 368 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:51,240 Speaker 1: uh what is called the pseudoscience, which I know is 369 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:53,679 Speaker 1: rough for a lot of people to hear. But we 370 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:56,760 Speaker 1: also have to acknowledge that people who are professional biblical 371 00:24:56,840 --> 00:25:01,879 Speaker 1: scholars and Christians themselves often note that they believe the 372 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:05,960 Speaker 1: story of Noah's art functions as an allegory for as 373 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:09,679 Speaker 1: an all set a cleansing of sorts, rather than a 374 00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:17,200 Speaker 1: physical flood. But but we have more for you, because 375 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:22,720 Speaker 1: we have found a little bit of a little bit 376 00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:29,840 Speaker 1: of forensic, archaeological or geological evidence that might support a 377 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:34,239 Speaker 1: seat of truth from which the flood myth began. And 378 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:36,840 Speaker 1: we'll get to it after a word from our responsible 379 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:51,639 Speaker 1: war and we're back. Okay, here's the thing. So originally, 380 00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:54,720 Speaker 1: when we first started exploring this idea, we thought, well, 381 00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:59,880 Speaker 1: you know, nobody could build a boat now to hold 382 00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:03,480 Speaker 1: sufficient breeding population of all the animals in the world. 383 00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:07,479 Speaker 1: Just we can't. We we can't do it. It's not 384 00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:10,199 Speaker 1: that we can't build something big enough. I'm sure if 385 00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:13,240 Speaker 1: all everybody worked together we could we just does it 386 00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:15,720 Speaker 1: imply that there was some kind of clown car logic 387 00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:18,399 Speaker 1: going on that God sort of like helped out and 388 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:20,960 Speaker 1: gave the ability to fit more stuff. It's like bigger 389 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:23,360 Speaker 1: on the inside, like the tartists, you know. I mean, 390 00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:25,760 Speaker 1: do you think there was maybe a little bit of 391 00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:30,760 Speaker 1: intervention perhaps, right, a little bit of divine interventions? The 392 00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:34,360 Speaker 1: story sure has a lot of magical thinking involved. I mean, 393 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:36,560 Speaker 1: you can't get away from the fact that, like you're saying, 394 00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:39,480 Speaker 1: if we can't do this today with all the machinery 395 00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:41,920 Speaker 1: and equipment we have, you know, how could it have 396 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:45,680 Speaker 1: been done without some sort of you know, intervention from 397 00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:48,360 Speaker 1: a higher power or is it just meant to be 398 00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:51,800 Speaker 1: kind of an allegory? Right? And and there's also the question, 399 00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:58,320 Speaker 1: you know, uh, what sorts of animals were around at 400 00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:01,680 Speaker 1: the time, because we will also here other biblical scholars 401 00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:04,840 Speaker 1: who say, well, there were just fewer species of animals, which, 402 00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:10,359 Speaker 1: believing what I do about the nature of adaptation, I 403 00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:16,639 Speaker 1: find difficult. I've heard several different things in from Bible 404 00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:18,720 Speaker 1: study over the years, but one was that it was 405 00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:23,600 Speaker 1: just animals from the immediate area. And in this, in 406 00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:28,520 Speaker 1: this version of like an interpretation, the flood itself wasn't 407 00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:34,640 Speaker 1: perhaps a global flood that was survived. That's one one 408 00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:38,600 Speaker 1: version that I've heard. Another one was that, um, it 409 00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:41,680 Speaker 1: was never like the magical thinking of you know, changing 410 00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:45,439 Speaker 1: the interior of a boat to make it abble to 411 00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:49,240 Speaker 1: fit everything in um. The third one is more allegorical, 412 00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:51,040 Speaker 1: and this is from a Bible class and it's just 413 00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:53,919 Speaker 1: a way to use the wisdom that's found in this 414 00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:59,119 Speaker 1: story of when you see something bad happening, prepare and 415 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:03,600 Speaker 1: you know, say of that which is around you as well. Yeah, 416 00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:09,240 Speaker 1: that's you know, this, this is the thing. These different versions, 417 00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:15,280 Speaker 1: these different interpretations, are all evidence of the unavoidable thing 418 00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:21,760 Speaker 1: that occurs when we look in the distant past. History 419 00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:24,399 Speaker 1: is a game of telephone with the actions and the 420 00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:28,879 Speaker 1: beliefs of the dead. And you know, people might dress 421 00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:32,240 Speaker 1: it up, uh and and talk about the great inspiring 422 00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:34,919 Speaker 1: moments of history, and of course those do exist. But 423 00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:39,440 Speaker 1: what I'm saying is that we tend to add, to 424 00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:45,000 Speaker 1: take away from, um modify and re contextualize the stories 425 00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:50,360 Speaker 1: of the past. And since most of the people from 426 00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:56,520 Speaker 1: the past, statistically speaking, are dead or haven't contacted us, uh, 427 00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:58,840 Speaker 1: there's no one to say, hey, that's not how it 428 00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:01,960 Speaker 1: actually happened. There's no one around to say, well, we 429 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:04,480 Speaker 1: took the animals on the farm. We took all the 430 00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:07,760 Speaker 1: animals on our farm to escape a regional flood or 431 00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:12,360 Speaker 1: something like that. Here's something interesting. There's a thing called 432 00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:18,240 Speaker 1: the Black Sea deluge hypothesis. So around fifty b c E. 433 00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:22,600 Speaker 1: According to this hypothesis, there was a catastrophic rise in 434 00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:26,400 Speaker 1: the level of the Black Sea and waters from the 435 00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:31,440 Speaker 1: Mediterranean Sea breached a sill in the Bosphorus straight So 436 00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:38,600 Speaker 1: this was published in or the New York Times mentioned 437 00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:42,479 Speaker 1: it right before it was in an academic journal. And 438 00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:47,680 Speaker 1: here's here's the weird thing. People agree that the events 439 00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:52,120 Speaker 1: described in this hypothesis happened. They're only debating the details. 440 00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:55,320 Speaker 1: How suddenly did it happen, When exactly did it happen? 441 00:29:55,640 --> 00:30:01,080 Speaker 1: How bad was the flooding. But in the side of 442 00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:04,480 Speaker 1: the authors of this are two guys named William Ryan 443 00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:10,080 Speaker 1: and Walter Pittman. So before hundred, glacial melt water had 444 00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:13,360 Speaker 1: turned the Black and Caspian Seas into these huge freshwater 445 00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:16,320 Speaker 1: lakes draining into the a g and Sea. As the 446 00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:19,400 Speaker 1: glaciers retreated, some of the rivers emptying into the sea 447 00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:23,800 Speaker 1: UH declined and then lower decline and volume, and they 448 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:28,320 Speaker 1: ended up changing course to hit the North Sea. The 449 00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:31,920 Speaker 1: levels of lakes dropped through evaporation. Overall, sea level began 450 00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:36,920 Speaker 1: to rise due to worldwide oceanic changes, and finally the 451 00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:41,880 Speaker 1: rising Mediterraneans spilled over at the Bosphorus UH and flooded 452 00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:47,000 Speaker 1: sixty thousand square miles of land and it expanded the 453 00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:51,320 Speaker 1: Black seashoreline to the north and west. So this would 454 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:57,320 Speaker 1: this would be the um for their hypothesis. They would say, 455 00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:04,920 Speaker 1: for at least three hundred days, AH, ten cubic miles 456 00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:07,719 Speaker 1: of water poured through and that's two hundred times the 457 00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:11,560 Speaker 1: average flow of Niagara falls for three hundred days. Yeah, 458 00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:15,640 Speaker 1: the days don't match up, but obviously depend on how 459 00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:20,760 Speaker 1: quickly this happened. It's like that old that oldie song 460 00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:25,800 Speaker 1: nowhere to run to, nowhere to hide. I took out 461 00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:29,040 Speaker 1: the baby so it sounded more serious. Did that work? Yeah? No, 462 00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:30,800 Speaker 1: I think it did, especially if you think about the 463 00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:33,760 Speaker 1: modes of transportation that were available at the time. If 464 00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:38,640 Speaker 1: this kind of water is just flooding through a most 465 00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:42,400 Speaker 1: people are foot, yeah, most people are on foot. An 466 00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:48,440 Speaker 1: animal would be a significant investment there. So critics of 467 00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:53,280 Speaker 1: this usually focus on how much water was going through 468 00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:56,600 Speaker 1: or how rapidly it came through, right, that's time in 469 00:31:56,640 --> 00:32:04,000 Speaker 1: the degree. However, Um, if this happened at a certain 470 00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:08,880 Speaker 1: you know, past a certain rapidity, then yeah, it would 471 00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:15,160 Speaker 1: seem like the world was flooding, right. Uh. This this 472 00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:22,600 Speaker 1: idea of remains somewhat controversial. There there are other instances 473 00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:26,760 Speaker 1: that are almost have floated. There are other instances that 474 00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:30,640 Speaker 1: are proposed as the real life origin of the global 475 00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:32,680 Speaker 1: flood myth. But it's kind of weird when you think 476 00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:35,600 Speaker 1: about it, isn't it that all these cultures, many of 477 00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:40,760 Speaker 1: which are unrelated, have some sort of flood myth? Like 478 00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:46,560 Speaker 1: I I accept, of course the idea that from Babylonians, uh, 479 00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:51,840 Speaker 1: Samarian and Mesopotamian culture, a lot of later European or 480 00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:56,280 Speaker 1: Christian flood myths could originate um and even maybe contact 481 00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:59,040 Speaker 1: with India. But what about what about people in North 482 00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:02,720 Speaker 1: and South America? Why they keep j Maya have a 483 00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:06,200 Speaker 1: flood myth? This ties into a lot of things that 484 00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:12,120 Speaker 1: people argue as evidence of lost civilizations, like Limeria or Atlantis. 485 00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:17,040 Speaker 1: They say, well, there was this great civilization, incredibly advanced. 486 00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:22,320 Speaker 1: They because of some catastrophe or angering the gods or 487 00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:27,520 Speaker 1: some sort of forbidden technology, even nuclear power, they destroyed 488 00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:33,720 Speaker 1: themselves and then in in the process founded all these 489 00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:37,720 Speaker 1: other cultures after they flooded the world. That's that's something 490 00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:40,280 Speaker 1: I don't know, we've we've talked about that before this 491 00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:42,680 Speaker 1: initial we have, and I think that is one of 492 00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:46,680 Speaker 1: the more fascinating things to think about. That's a great 493 00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:51,280 Speaker 1: concept to imagine. If you go to the Georgia Aquarium. 494 00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:54,840 Speaker 1: I did that. I did that last time. I went 495 00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:57,800 Speaker 1: with my son and I just you know that the 496 00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:01,400 Speaker 1: large way the tunnel, Yeah, you just walked through that, 497 00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:04,960 Speaker 1: And I was just imagining being in Atlantean at lantern. 498 00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:07,480 Speaker 1: I don't know, what is that from one from Atlantis 499 00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:13,440 Speaker 1: Atlantean Atlantean person. I imagine being a person and just 500 00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:17,520 Speaker 1: floating through that thing. Yeah, and I imagine our culture 501 00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:21,239 Speaker 1: right now, in our society, and what tales will be 502 00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:24,200 Speaker 1: told about it several thousand years from now. How this 503 00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:29,520 Speaker 1: kingdom existed in this continent and they developed these weapons 504 00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:32,040 Speaker 1: and then flooded the world. Oh, here's a here's a 505 00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:35,560 Speaker 1: game for everyone in the audience. You might enjoy this. 506 00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:38,640 Speaker 1: I enjoy this. It's it's a little bit dark. Next 507 00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:43,680 Speaker 1: time you're around really densely populated area in terms of structures, 508 00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:46,920 Speaker 1: like you're going through a city, imagine what future historians 509 00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:51,799 Speaker 1: and archaeologists will will I think these things were, um, 510 00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:54,400 Speaker 1: thousands and thousands of years in the future, maybe human, 511 00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:57,080 Speaker 1: maybe alien, Because what always gets me when I see 512 00:34:57,120 --> 00:35:02,280 Speaker 1: big interstate interchanges is I can easily imagine some smug 513 00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:07,040 Speaker 1: jerk again human alien, thousands and thousand years in the future, going. Uh, 514 00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:13,520 Speaker 1: their aqueduct system was quite advanced with the highways for 515 00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:18,239 Speaker 1: biological entities, spaghetti junctions, water flow. Yeah, that's that would 516 00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:20,799 Speaker 1: be the idea. And then skyscrapers, how are you going 517 00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:24,400 Speaker 1: to explain those? Those are kind of phallic. There's gonna 518 00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:27,320 Speaker 1: be what monuments to whatever weird god they imagine we 519 00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:33,319 Speaker 1: worshiped other excavations have revealed evidence of localized flooding. So 520 00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:37,040 Speaker 1: in the modern day Telfara a rock there are there's 521 00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:44,200 Speaker 1: evidence of flooding. There's evidence of localized flooding in er 522 00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:51,879 Speaker 1: Kish Rook Lagash Nineva, and we see that more and more. 523 00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:56,360 Speaker 1: The answer to the flood myth is maybe not one 524 00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:59,160 Speaker 1: single flood taking over the planet as much as it 525 00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:05,319 Speaker 1: is series of catastrophic, horrific regional floods that occur in 526 00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:08,799 Speaker 1: a in a time when most people lived and died within, 527 00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:12,000 Speaker 1: you know, easily within twenty miles of where they were born. 528 00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:20,120 Speaker 1: So our our answer here is still it's still up 529 00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:24,840 Speaker 1: for debate. Is it is it possible that someone saved 530 00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:28,400 Speaker 1: all of the animals in the world in a single boat? Literally? 531 00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:40,000 Speaker 1: It's highly implausible, right, right, But the more we learn 532 00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:45,040 Speaker 1: about the history of flooding right and and even controversial 533 00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:49,359 Speaker 1: things like this black seed deluge hypothesis, the more we 534 00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:54,279 Speaker 1: have to ask ourselves is this story is some some 535 00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:58,520 Speaker 1: part of this story based in truth? Did someone actually 536 00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:03,120 Speaker 1: survive a regional flood and I save a whole bunch 537 00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:05,600 Speaker 1: of animals by building a boat in time? Yeah? What 538 00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:09,520 Speaker 1: do you guys think? I think that's highly plausible that 539 00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:14,040 Speaker 1: there was a much smaller scale, non global flood threat 540 00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:19,239 Speaker 1: that one person was either knew about through you know, 541 00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:21,839 Speaker 1: some kind of higher means, or maybe he just kind 542 00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:26,040 Speaker 1: of had some abilities to look for those signs. You know, 543 00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:28,719 Speaker 1: maybe there were some clues and the environment changing in 544 00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:30,760 Speaker 1: the weather, and there was just one guy that was like, Hey, 545 00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:33,000 Speaker 1: here's an idea. Let's go ahead and do a little 546 00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:35,960 Speaker 1: doomsday prepping right now and build ourselves a big old 547 00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:38,760 Speaker 1: boat and take all the animals we have on the farm. 548 00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:41,080 Speaker 1: Maybe on a large enough scale that it impressed people 549 00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:43,200 Speaker 1: to such a degree that the story, like a game 550 00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:46,160 Speaker 1: with telephone, gradually morphed a little bit of that boat 551 00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:48,480 Speaker 1: got bigger and bigger, and it went from being just 552 00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:51,359 Speaker 1: about this area to being about the entire planet. You know. 553 00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:54,560 Speaker 1: I mean, but if Noah and the people on the 554 00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:56,279 Speaker 1: boat and the animals on the boat were the only 555 00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:58,800 Speaker 1: ones who survived in the area, who told the story, 556 00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:02,000 Speaker 1: was it no Uh? Because I can imagine no I 557 00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:06,319 Speaker 1: a little bit. It was Babe the pig who got 558 00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:09,680 Speaker 1: to start on Noah's ark before going to Hollywood. Uh. 559 00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:14,040 Speaker 1: We are going to end this today, of course, we 560 00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:17,680 Speaker 1: want to hear from you if you have if you 561 00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:20,040 Speaker 1: have a take on the arc, if you have a 562 00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:24,240 Speaker 1: take on the evolution of mythology, or if there's stuff 563 00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:29,760 Speaker 1: you heard um in your own research that lends lends 564 00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:33,040 Speaker 1: a different perspective to this. Uh. We we would love 565 00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:36,040 Speaker 1: to hear about it. You can find us on Facebook 566 00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:40,480 Speaker 1: and Twitter. But before you do, if you're on the Internet, 567 00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:44,799 Speaker 1: I want to leave you with some interesting news. As 568 00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:48,400 Speaker 1: of July. 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