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Speaker 7: It is Wednesday, April sixteenth, twenty twenty five, Season twenty one,
Speaker 7: Episode number six. Welcome to the latest edition of the
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Speaker 7: We've got forty five minutes of Cowboys talk for you guys.
Speaker 7: We're going to continue our position series today. I'll talk
Speaker 7: a little bit about the running back position and if
Speaker 7: we get time, and then if we have enough time,
Speaker 7: we'll also get to the linebacker position.
Speaker 2: We'll see how that goes.
Speaker 7: But before we get to those things, there were a
Speaker 7: couple of little news and notes that I wanted to
Speaker 7: hit with the crew. I think the first thing I
Speaker 7: wanted to talk about is not the Cowboys, but another
Speaker 7: player on another team who has been the team has
Speaker 7: said they are going to let him and they will
Speaker 7: be looking for a deal to possibly trade him. One
Speaker 7: Jalen rams cornerback of the Miami Dolphins. My question for
Speaker 7: you guys is, and I'll read first Chris Cryer, who
Speaker 7: is the GM of the Miami Dolphins. This was this
Speaker 7: quote in a press conference. At the end of the day,
Speaker 7: Jalen did not ask for a trade. We went through
Speaker 7: the process and I just felt after numerous conversations and
Speaker 7: talking last week to week with Jalen and his agent,
Speaker 7: that it was best to move forward. It was in
Speaker 7: the best interest to Miami Dolphins and Jalen Ramsey. It
Speaker 7: is clear that they are looking to trade him. What
Speaker 7: I've read according to one Mo Moten on bleacher Report,
Speaker 7: he said it could cost the team that would acquire
Speaker 7: him as much as twenty one point one million in
Speaker 7: twenty twenty five, and in his words, the final three
Speaker 7: years is set up to be a pay as you go,
Speaker 7: So essentially, what I think he's getting at is you
Speaker 7: could maneuver in the last three years to kind of
Speaker 7: either keep him or not keep him, or pay him
Speaker 7: or or a justice contents. There are some flexibility in
Speaker 7: the final three years. That all being said, would you
Speaker 7: be willing to go out and trade for Jalen Ramsey
Speaker 7: and what would you be willing to give up for?
Speaker 8: Yeah, that's a good question.
Speaker 9: I'm sitting here pulling up his contract and what that
Speaker 9: would look like from a financial perspective. So you mentioned
Speaker 9: the twenty one point one correct that.
Speaker 2: Would be impossible this year.
Speaker 9: I've Cowboys currently have right around thirty seven million dollars
Speaker 9: in cap space, So you know, let's let's say that
Speaker 9: they do make this type of addition, they would be
Speaker 9: kind of limited to making cheap editions the rest of
Speaker 9: the way at different spots and depth units on.
Speaker 8: Both sides of the ball. Is that a bad thing?
Speaker 9: Not necessarily, I mean it's I can't imagine that they're
Speaker 9: going to be paying more than a couple million to
Speaker 9: a player anyway over the course of the next year,
Speaker 9: so as it counts towards this cap. But it is
Speaker 9: something that you have to manage because cap space is
Speaker 9: also determined by practice squad elevations. It's determined by guys
Speaker 9: you have to sign here in the season if injuries
Speaker 9: come about. I mean, you have to be able to
Speaker 9: plan for those types of things. It would just make
Speaker 9: the financials a little bit tighter. But you talk about
Speaker 9: the talent for Jalen Ramsey, what he could bring to
Speaker 9: the field. Granted he's not what he was when he
Speaker 9: first started his career, but I still think he plays
Speaker 9: at a Pro Bowl level. This is a really talented
Speaker 9: corner that has made plays for Miami. He'd be thirty
Speaker 9: going into next season, so he would still have some
Speaker 9: time left on his deal and both as well as
Speaker 9: his age. But what I'd be willing to give up
Speaker 9: considering the financials, considering everything around it, probably one of
Speaker 9: those compensatory fifths that would be probably the max of
Speaker 9: what I would be willing to give up for that.
Speaker 4: You're in a situation right now where we've had some
Speaker 4: corners that got extended here recently, and Jalen Ramsey has
Speaker 4: always seen himself as one of those guys, and so
Speaker 4: what you're gonna have to deal with. I would not
Speaker 4: make this deal unless I had assurance that Jalen Ramsey
Speaker 4: was not going to hold out on me and ask
Speaker 4: for more money this year or just in general. And
Speaker 4: if you look at what he did when he left
Speaker 4: the Rams to go to the Dolphins, what do he do?
Speaker 4: He signed an extension. He is one of these guys
Speaker 4: that is very He's got a lot of pride. He
Speaker 4: wants to be one of the top paid corners in
Speaker 4: the league, and he consistently has been that guy. But
Speaker 4: we've seen some contracts that have become pretty significant. You
Speaker 4: look at with Stingley down there with the Texans, you
Speaker 4: look at with Cirtan in Denver. There's been some contracts
Speaker 4: that have gone up remarkably. And so to me, I'm
Speaker 4: not gonna make this deal if that's the case. I'm
Speaker 4: just not I'm just saying.
Speaker 7: If he is actively asking to be to renegotiate, negotiate
Speaker 7: the contract and be up there at the top.
Speaker 4: If he immediately wants to be paid one of the
Speaker 4: top three corners in this league, I'm not interested in
Speaker 4: this trade. But if he's going to come in and
Speaker 4: play under the current contract, and as you mentioned, Derek
Speaker 4: pay as we go kind of thing, I'd be interested.
Speaker 4: And I think Nick has got the compensation right. I
Speaker 4: know I've reached out to several might call my gang
Speaker 4: of seven around the league that and they have they
Speaker 4: kind of feel like that, Well, hey, you know you don't.
Speaker 4: It's not as steep as you might think. I think
Speaker 4: the fifth round compensation is very fair there, and so
Speaker 4: to me, I'm I'm only interested if I get assurance
Speaker 4: from him and his agent that he's not going to
Speaker 4: come in here and say I demand that I become
Speaker 4: one of the top three paid corners like he's been
Speaker 4: in the past. And if we can agree on that,
Speaker 4: then I'm going to continue to explore. If not, I'm
Speaker 4: probably going to play with him somewhere else or play
Speaker 4: against him somewhere else.
Speaker 10: Yeah, Tylan, wise, I would absolutely love to have him here.
Speaker 10: His the guy that we've looked at since he was drafted,
Speaker 10: you know, when we were talking about the draft of
Speaker 10: his career. He's the guy that the Cowboys are we
Speaker 10: in podcasts, in the media, we're talking and looking at
Speaker 10: a whole lot.
Speaker 5: Obviously didn't end up.
Speaker 10: Here with the team, but I think talent wise, yes,
Speaker 10: but right now it just doesn't really make a whole
Speaker 10: lot of sense. I think financially, yes, they could potentially
Speaker 10: do it, but I think it does put you in
Speaker 10: a tight spot, just like Nick mentioned, and when it
Speaker 10: comes to what that also would bring, just like Brian said,
Speaker 10: I don't think the Cowboys are in a position where
Speaker 10: they're willing to deal with something like that. They already
Speaker 10: have things that they're still trying to figure out. We
Speaker 10: have Micah Parson's deal coming up, and you mentioned the
Speaker 10: contract extension that they just did with Trevon Diggs. Also,
Speaker 10: that's something that Bland is coming up as well. So
Speaker 10: I think it doesn't make a whole lot of sense
Speaker 10: financially in that sense. But and also the time that
Speaker 10: this is happening, I think, and I truly believe right now,
Speaker 10: the Cowboys are one hundred percent focused on the draft.
Speaker 10: We're eight days away from the start of the draft,
Speaker 10: and this is a time where they just center in
Speaker 10: and they're just let's developed, let's bringing talent, new talent developed, developed.
Speaker 8: So yeah, I would like.
Speaker 5: It, but I don't see it happening.
Speaker 8: Yeah that, Brian, eight days, eight days?
Speaker 4: How about that?
Speaker 2: How much does the deron Bland into that?
Speaker 4: A lot? Yeah?
Speaker 8: A lot?
Speaker 4: You know, they they they feel like they feel like
Speaker 4: that they have a young talent with Bland, and you know,
Speaker 4: is it going to cost them. You know, maybe it
Speaker 4: will cost them the money that that Ramsey's currently making,
Speaker 4: maybe you know more. I mean, you know, Bland is
Speaker 4: Bland did a great job of coming back from the injury,
Speaker 4: had a little bit of a slow start, but you know,
Speaker 4: picked up things. They think the world to him. But
Speaker 4: they're their corner situation. And Nick will tell you this
Speaker 4: as well. They're looking at corners in this draft. I
Speaker 4: mean they're and there's several of them, and you know,
Speaker 4: they've got they've got a couple of these guys that
Speaker 4: they could look at, whether it's it's at twelve, or
Speaker 4: they could look at a guy at forty four, you know,
Speaker 4: or they could look at a guy there in the
Speaker 4: third round. So there are plenty of corners. You know
Speaker 4: that they have the talent of Jalen Ramsey. Some of
Speaker 4: them do, absolutely some of them do, and some of
Speaker 4: them will be a lot less expensive. But I think
Speaker 4: the Bland thing, I think that plays in their mind
Speaker 4: a little bit here when they're when they're talking about
Speaker 4: this too. Jalen Ramsey as an addition would be outstanding,
Speaker 4: but they have to think about other other things as
Speaker 4: far as players they currently have and maybe players they
Speaker 4: want to extend.
Speaker 9: Jalen Ramsey's making twenty four point one million per year
Speaker 9: right now, that's the third highest clip in the NFL.
Speaker 9: Trayvon Diggs is at the ninth highest clip in the NFL.
Speaker 9: So if you were to add Jalen Ramsey to these books,
Speaker 9: you'd basically be telling de Ron Bland, hey, you got
Speaker 9: one year, here, go shine and get you a big
Speaker 9: contractbel I'll make go around.
Speaker 10: And I know, no, he he's the ideal player.
Speaker 8: No.
Speaker 5: I mean you look at Darron Blank.
Speaker 10: I just cannot imagine where a situation where you don't
Speaker 10: give him the contract that he deserves. He has been
Speaker 10: such a good player for you. He's so problematic, he
Speaker 10: doesn't causes an issue. He's so not a flashy player,
Speaker 10: doesn't have that extravagant personality. He just comes in, does
Speaker 10: what he does, does what he needs to do, focuses
Speaker 10: on what he needs to achieve. He came back from
Speaker 10: that injury. I thought he did a great job. Obviously
Speaker 10: it takes him a little while, but I thought he
Speaker 10: did an excellent job. And he's so dedicated to the game,
Speaker 10: and we've seen the impact that he brings when he's
Speaker 10: playing on the field.
Speaker 5: So it's just a hard situation.
Speaker 4: There can ask a real quick question, and Nick Ill
Speaker 4: asked this of you. Would you consider playing him at
Speaker 4: safety like Charles Woodson did late in his career.
Speaker 8: Talking about Ramsey or Ramsey Ramsey.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean play him is a free I mean
Speaker 4: the guy has got toughness, he's got range. Yeah, I
Speaker 4: mean he's going to get in on tackles.
Speaker 2: You could.
Speaker 4: You know, he plays with his eyes eyes, he gambles
Speaker 4: a little bit. I mean, he's The question was when
Speaker 4: he was coming out, if we all remember, we were
Speaker 4: all talking about and really Rod Marinelli, the administration didn't
Speaker 4: really know is he a safety or is he a corner?
Speaker 4: And you know, Rod and that group signed off on
Speaker 4: Zeke because they felt like that Zeke would help him,
Speaker 4: you know, in the game with yards and stuff and
Speaker 4: keep the defense off the field. So you know, but
Speaker 4: they had questions like we playing at corner? Do we
Speaker 4: play at safety? Well, he's become an All Pro safety,
Speaker 4: was gonna be a corner. But would you consider it
Speaker 4: late in the career shift like we saw with the Charles.
Speaker 8: Woodson, Yeah, that would I think it could certainly work.
Speaker 9: You talk about his range, you mentioned that he's played
Speaker 9: majority of ly in zone schemes in the past, and
Speaker 9: he's been a ballhawk. I think he could be able
Speaker 9: to track really well. He's got good tackling too. I
Speaker 9: wouldn't have any issues with that.
Speaker 4: But the money, right, I was to say that money,
Speaker 4: we have great ideas until they say we'll pay.
Speaker 8: The bills, still be counting on the books.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think there was an assumption that you just
Speaker 7: made that if they were to do this, that would
Speaker 7: mean that they'd be telling Bland you only have one
Speaker 7: more year. Are we sure that Bland would be the
Speaker 7: person that they might opt to let go versus maybe
Speaker 7: moving on at some point from Trayvon Diggs.
Speaker 8: Well, yeah, and that's certainly part of it.
Speaker 4: I think fastball Yeah.
Speaker 2: No, but know and Igat, I think here's the thing.
Speaker 2: Here's the thing when you think about roster management.
Speaker 4: Oh no, you're you're not rong half three.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't think you're not. Three cornerbacks are high they paid.
Speaker 2: So if you're going to.
Speaker 7: Go the route of going out and getting a Jayler Malliams,
Speaker 7: which quite frankly, I just don't think the Cowboys are
Speaker 7: going to do. I think they're happy with the two
Speaker 7: they have. But if they were going to do it,
Speaker 7: I think they would have to have a conversation of
Speaker 7: who are the two we want long term? That would
Speaker 7: and that's where you have to make this and I
Speaker 7: don't so I don't think it's necessarily a foegun conclusion
Speaker 7: if they go that route, that Bland is the one
Speaker 7: that they say goodbye to.
Speaker 9: Yeah, let's uh, let's say that they give Deron Bland
Speaker 9: a twenty three million dollars per year to deal. Maybe
Speaker 9: that's a little high, but let's just let's just say
Speaker 9: that considering how the market could change over the course.
Speaker 4: In between I'm sorry, in between somebody, did you have
Speaker 4: somebody mind? Do you have something?
Speaker 7: Not?
Speaker 6: Really?
Speaker 9: I have him right above Jay R Alexander, right above
Speaker 9: aj Trell. I just think that's probably the money you
Speaker 9: could earn next offseason. You know, talk about Derek Stingley
Speaker 9: getting thirty j C hornetting twenty five. Yeah, if you're
Speaker 9: paying him twenty three per year over the course of
Speaker 9: let's say four years, the dead money slash cap savings
Speaker 9: that you would have by letting go of Trayvon Digs
Speaker 9: next off season with a post June one cut you'd
Speaker 9: have to be squeezing some pennies in twenty twenty six,
Speaker 9: but it would almost be a direct compensation going from
Speaker 9: twenty seven to twenty eight. The savings you would have
Speaker 9: in twenty seven for letting go of Trayvon digs twenty
Speaker 9: and a half million, twenty twenty eight, twenty one million.
Speaker 9: So then you would be trying to come up with
Speaker 9: two or three million to to, you know, make it
Speaker 9: even for Adron Bland situation going forward. But I yeah,
Speaker 9: that's that's where things get a little bit tough. But
Speaker 9: all three of these guys would still be counting towards
Speaker 9: the books in twenty five. Granted Bland still on his
Speaker 9: rookie deal. But I truly believe that they have to
Speaker 9: figure out how to Paydron Bland before anything. And that includes, Hey,
Speaker 9: if Jalen Ramsey makes this too tight or we're gonna
Speaker 9: have to do some gymnastic to make it happen, then
Speaker 9: I wouldn't make it happen. I think Deron Blands that
Speaker 9: important towards the future of this defense.
Speaker 7: Here's the other thing I would wonder, and I don't
Speaker 7: know if this is possible, but is there a way
Speaker 7: to basically rent Jalen Ramsey, so you can take on
Speaker 7: the salary for this year and then after this year
Speaker 7: move on. I would love that because it gives me
Speaker 7: an opportunity to be able to protect myself in the
Speaker 7: event Trayvon Diggs's injury lasts deeper into the season. And
Speaker 7: if it doesn't and Trayvon's ready to play, great. I
Speaker 7: got three corners, and by the way, you need three,
Speaker 7: you got three corners.
Speaker 2: You can roll up there. You just slide blam right
Speaker 2: in there into the slot.
Speaker 7: And I love those three cornerbacks together at least for
Speaker 7: a year. And then going into next year, you move
Speaker 7: on from Ramsey. You let him go out and get
Speaker 7: his big deal from someone else. So, Brian, when you
Speaker 7: said I.
Speaker 5: Will cope full of creativity today.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm just saying.
Speaker 7: When Brian was like, I wouldn't do it if he
Speaker 7: was gonna want the bigger contract, I agree with you,
Speaker 7: But I would only do it if he was gonna
Speaker 7: hold out next year. If he agreed to come and
Speaker 7: play this year at this amount of money, and then
Speaker 7: after that, if you want to go out and search
Speaker 7: the market and try to get a better deal, we'll
Speaker 7: let you do it.
Speaker 4: I'm actually I have to get that assurance though, that
Speaker 4: when excuse me, when I trade for you, that you're
Speaker 4: not going to immediately watch this year and say this year,
Speaker 4: wait a minute, I need I need closer to the
Speaker 4: thirty million dollars is the top salary. I need closer.
Speaker 4: I need twenty seven, you know. And I'm like, wait
Speaker 4: a minute, No, you're this and this is what we
Speaker 4: see if you're if you immediately want to come in here,
Speaker 4: and I just a gut feeling I think he would.
Speaker 4: I think he would come in here and he would
Speaker 4: want to be paid like one of the top corners.
Speaker 4: This guy's a very prideful guy. He always has believed
Speaker 4: that he is one of the top corners in this league.
Speaker 2: And he is and he is he is he is.
Speaker 4: But at a certain level, you know, you have to
Speaker 4: think about, okay, what's best because you, like we said,
Speaker 4: you've already got a young guy on the on the
Speaker 4: roster that you want to get done. And I applaud
Speaker 4: you for bringing up digs. That was one of those
Speaker 4: times where I'm like, going, okay, we're going to talk
Speaker 4: about digs here, you know, And we did, and I
Speaker 4: think that's something that that needs to be discussed when
Speaker 4: you talk about team building and going forward.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think at the end of the day, if
Speaker 7: it were all like, if it all could work out
Speaker 7: perfectly for the Cowboys, they could have Jalen Ramsey here
Speaker 7: for a year and protect themselves with regards to the
Speaker 7: injury to Digs, and then moving forward, your two cornerbacks
Speaker 7: are Digs and Bland. I think they're younger. I think
Speaker 7: they're both on the com I think they're all they're growing,
Speaker 7: and I think they're growing together. And I think if
Speaker 7: I could just get to a point where I could
Speaker 7: see both of them on the field for seventeen games.
Speaker 2: Yeah, hell give me fifteen games. If I could see
Speaker 2: both of them on the field together, you know, Like,
Speaker 2: I think that could be really great for the Cowboys.
Speaker 4: If Carson would have played better, we wouldn't have this discussion.
Speaker 4: Fair probably wouldn't be having this discussion if Carson was
Speaker 4: a guy that like when Bland was rookie and then
Speaker 4: played and we're all of a sudden, we're like going, Wow,
Speaker 4: this guy's really getting it. This guy's a good player,
Speaker 4: and then you know, but Carson didn't do that, So
Speaker 4: now we have to have discussions about corners at twelve,
Speaker 4: corners at forty four. You know, we have to have
Speaker 4: these discussions, because you're absolutely right they don't right now.
Speaker 4: They're pretty spot with corner, they really really are, so
Speaker 4: to me, yeah, a lot of question mark, a lot
Speaker 4: of question marks there. And you know they probably feel
Speaker 4: better about other positions than they do corner. And that's
Speaker 4: why at twelve I wouldn't I wouldn't say that corner's
Speaker 4: out out not in the picture there.
Speaker 7: And I will say this to Bryant from that standpoint,
Speaker 7: if the Dallas Cowboys go out and invest the first
Speaker 7: round pick in cornerback, I still think the same conversation
Speaker 7: comes up because about about Diggs or Bland, like you're
Speaker 7: gonna do you if you are? Yeah, are really going
Speaker 7: to great around because if you got a first round pick,
Speaker 7: your expectation you want him on the field.
Speaker 2: Put him on the field all the time, right, I agree?
Speaker 7: And then that questions like who is the other starter
Speaker 7: and who's the person that's left out. It may not
Speaker 7: be a problem early on if Diggs is nursing the
Speaker 7: injury and coming back from injury, but when he's one
Speaker 7: hundred percent healthy, how does that all play out, and
Speaker 7: I think that becomes really really interesting.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 7: You know, you can never have too many corners, don't
Speaker 7: get me wrong, but you certainly want that first round
Speaker 7: pick out there.
Speaker 4: He hasn't. The problem with Diggs is he hasn't really
Speaker 4: been healthy the last couple of years. I mean, that's
Speaker 4: that's the real issue here right now. So to me,
Speaker 4: you know, you have to you have to consider all things.
Speaker 7: All right, we are going to take our first break.
Speaker 7: When we come back, we'll dive into our position analysis.
Speaker 7: We'll go into the running back position. Man, there's so
Speaker 7: many questions, but also a lot of new pieces. We'll
Speaker 7: talk about how those pieces fit when we come back.
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Speaker 7: All right, so let's talk running back position. This year,
Speaker 7: the Cowboys acquired Javonte Williams and Miles Sanders, allow ric
Speaker 7: o'dowdell to leave in pre agency. My question for you
Speaker 7: guys is, as you look at those two guys, particularly,
Speaker 7: which do you think is better if the Cowboys had
Speaker 7: to start the season right now and they had what
Speaker 7: they had in order to start the season, who do
Speaker 7: you think is the starting running back? And then talk
Speaker 7: to me about roles and what kind of roles each
Speaker 7: one could play.
Speaker 8: Talking about Williams and Sanders.
Speaker 7: Williams because I assume those are who you would have
Speaker 7: as at the top of the deaf it's Davis.
Speaker 8: I'm Davis here.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna guess, Joe, I know who it is.
Speaker 4: I about to say, it's going to be that Malik
Speaker 4: Davis is about to get a start in week one.
Speaker 9: Yeah, it's start a Hunter Lipkey runing in early. Would
Speaker 9: I would start him with Javonte Williams on third. Yeah,
Speaker 9: But looking at it from a realistic standpoint in a
Speaker 9: modern day offense, Javonte Williams he probably exactly exactly or
Speaker 9: Peyton hillis he makes the most sense Javonte Williams as
Speaker 9: as the starter with this group right now. But uh,
Speaker 9: it's it's no doubt that this is going to be
Speaker 9: these guys are going to be competing with a rookie.
Speaker 9: But in the spirit of the conversation right now, Javonte
Speaker 9: Williams just based on what he did in Denver and
Speaker 9: the role that he played there. Uh, and you also
Speaker 9: pair that with what Miles Sanders did or did not
Speaker 9: do in Carolina. I mean you saw the they basically
Speaker 9: they brought in Jonathan Brooks to play over him. And
Speaker 9: obviously Brooks hasn't been healthy. But when you start seeing
Speaker 9: high premium draft picks around veterans, that's that doesn't speak
Speaker 9: a lot of confidence into those veterans. So Javonte Williams
Speaker 9: I think would be the starter today and you would
Speaker 9: have Miles Sanders kind of rotate in as Javonte needed
Speaker 9: to come off the field. I'd be giving him the
Speaker 9: majority of the carries. If this was the group that
Speaker 9: I needed right now.
Speaker 4: Yeah, this is where I have a little problem right now.
Speaker 4: I feel like with the coaching staff at the position,
Speaker 4: with your coordinator, you got a guy that knows how
Speaker 4: to run the football. You got a line coach that
Speaker 4: is very familiar with the physical style of running the
Speaker 4: football from Kansas State as well. So that's an upgrade
Speaker 4: right there for you to kind of get things going
Speaker 4: the right way. But you let Rico daddle walk, and
Speaker 4: to me that that's not good because where I would
Speaker 4: have and Nick maybe can help me here on this one.
Speaker 4: You have Rico daddele here, you can have some flexibility
Speaker 4: to picking a fifth round running back and pair him
Speaker 4: with rico' daddle and you would be fine. Now you
Speaker 4: forced yourself, I believe, to have to take a running
Speaker 4: back within the first three picks, because you really don't.
Speaker 6: Now.
Speaker 4: The thing with Williams is he catches the ball very well,
Speaker 4: and he blocks very well, and he's coming. You know,
Speaker 4: Sean Payton knows how to use running backs and he
Speaker 4: just didn't have you know, but Sewan's going to look
Speaker 4: for running back. Watch at twenty at Denver, they're going
Speaker 4: to get a running back because Sean knows he needs one.
Speaker 4: But they moved on. And and you know, nothing against
Speaker 4: Smiles Sanders either, but I think his time is done too.
Speaker 4: If you had Rico daddle and this is I'm sorry,
Speaker 4: I'm just gonna bring it up. If you had rico' daddle,
Speaker 4: you could make you could pick one of a running
Speaker 4: back in the fifth round and pair it with him
Speaker 4: and you'd be just fine.
Speaker 2: So you'd think you'd think ric o'daddle is better at
Speaker 2: this point.
Speaker 4: Yes, Williams, Yes, I do it. Yeah, I do and
Speaker 4: if you had to start it, and we've seen it
Speaker 4: with their own eyes, you know, once they once they
Speaker 4: started handing him the ball and they made the change
Speaker 4: at right guard, they were healthier there at right guard.
Speaker 4: Steele started playing better, BB was getting better at second
Speaker 4: level blocks. The right guard situation was that they did
Speaker 4: some combination stuff, got some things going there. But rico'
Speaker 4: daddell here, he if if he was here, you could
Speaker 4: wait to the fifth round and grab a running back.
Speaker 4: But now I think you have to have to grab
Speaker 4: one of these running backs in the first three rounds.
Speaker 4: I don't think you can wait to the fifth round
Speaker 4: and say, Okay, let's get a fifth round back and
Speaker 4: let's pair him with Williams and Sanderson, see how it goes.
Speaker 7: Let me ask you this because I was I was
Speaker 7: actually having this conversation with Isaiah stand back yesterday and
Speaker 7: we were talking about the running back position. I think
Speaker 7: we all, everybody at this table, and a lot of
Speaker 7: people I have talked to in the media all agree
Speaker 7: that the Cowboys got made themselves better by the coaches
Speaker 7: a Brant. I think you look at the Arizona Cardinals
Speaker 7: and what they've been able to do the last couple
Speaker 7: of years in the running game, and I look at
Speaker 7: that and I'm like, they didn't have an all pro
Speaker 7: caliber running back. In my opinion, James Connor was hurt
Speaker 7: for part of the tign But James Connor to me
Speaker 7: as a solid running back, I don't put him as
Speaker 7: one of the best running backs in the league. They
Speaker 7: were able to create and manufacture a top one of
Speaker 7: the top one of the better running games in the
Speaker 7: NFL with solid running backs, solid offensive line. But the
Speaker 7: scheme had a lot to do with It reminds me
Speaker 7: a lot of and you'll appreciate this Brian, those old
Speaker 7: school Brian Broncos with Mike Shanahan where they ran in
Speaker 7: Reuben Drones whoever they ran in every year, that guy
Speaker 7: was gonna put up a bunch of yards on the
Speaker 7: ground because the scheme was just so good and they
Speaker 7: had they had the ability to be able to put
Speaker 7: the offensive line in the right positions to make the blocks,
Speaker 7: and the all they need is a back that could
Speaker 7: hit the hole where it needed to hit it and
Speaker 7: go downhill. And so my question is, from that standpoint,
Speaker 7: do you really need to get a running back early
Speaker 7: in order to get some or do you need to
Speaker 7: just get someone that has the right traits or that
Speaker 7: runs the ball the right way for this scheme and
Speaker 7: they can be just as effective here as you know
Speaker 7: a top running back would be in another system.
Speaker 9: Yeah, and I think that's a fascinating question when you
Speaker 9: look at this draft class, right because you you could
Speaker 9: theoretically wait until day three and.
Speaker 8: You'd be taking some chances. Don't get me wrong.
Speaker 9: Yeah, but you could find a guy with the right
Speaker 9: trades to pair with Javonte Williams that I think could
Speaker 9: work for this offense. You just see a guy that
Speaker 9: can get you yards on early downs. That's it's really
Speaker 9: as simple as that. You would love to have a
Speaker 9: guy that has a little bit more and could be
Speaker 9: very and can be that guy whenever you move on
Speaker 9: from Javonte Williams. But if you're talking about twenty twenty
Speaker 9: five specifically the immediate urgent need, you just need a
Speaker 9: guy that can get you yards on early downs that
Speaker 9: when the game starts, when that first drive comes out,
Speaker 9: you can rely on him to get five six yards
Speaker 9: and start drives with some momentum. I just feel like
Speaker 9: they haven't had that at times. And Rico Daudle Yes,
Speaker 9: he played well down the stretch last year, but it
Speaker 9: felt like every time he was given the ball to
Speaker 9: start a drive when everyone in the building knows that
Speaker 9: they're handing it off, he couldn't get those four or
Speaker 9: five yards. I need a guy when everybody in the
Speaker 9: stadium knows, hey, they're gonna haven the ball off right here,
Speaker 9: that he can go get four or five. And I
Speaker 9: think you can get that guy in the third round.
Speaker 9: I think you can get that guy in the fifth.
Speaker 9: You'd be taking some chances, like I said, but I
Speaker 9: don't think it's necessarily a need to go get the
Speaker 9: number one back in the class if he's not there for.
Speaker 4: You, Nick, I'm gonna ask you this question. I don't
Speaker 4: mean to turn it into a draft show, but the
Speaker 4: thing about it is, do you have fourth round running
Speaker 4: backs that you think are going to fall to the fifth?
Speaker 7: Uh?
Speaker 9: I look at a Kyle mcnung gai out of Rutgers.
Speaker 9: That's a guy who could play on early downs, zero
Speaker 9: fumbles and six hundred sixty nine carries too.
Speaker 8: Look that Ollie Gordon.
Speaker 9: I wonder how many people factor in his off the
Speaker 9: field things and if he slips to the fifth talked
Speaker 9: about my guy Land Larson at UC Davis. I think
Speaker 9: he could probably be there in the fifth.
Speaker 7: Those are st quick on Oli Gordon. Yeah, you said
Speaker 7: all the field stuff. Is it more mental stuff or
Speaker 7: is it like trouble you don't have to get.
Speaker 9: To DJ Yeah, yeah, yeah. He had a DUI in
Speaker 9: twenty four. That was that was a public knowledge. The
Speaker 9: leg he had a legac thank you. He had a
Speaker 9: leg injury mid season last year. And granted he was
Speaker 9: a Doke Walker Award winner in twenty twenty three for
Speaker 9: the nation's top running back in college.
Speaker 8: I mean there was a point when.
Speaker 7: He had got there that guy was gonna be the
Speaker 7: next coming from standpoint of guys coming into the NFL.
Speaker 9: If he came into the draft class last year, he
Speaker 9: would have been the number one back. Take and no
Speaker 9: questions asked. But this guy this year, this past year,
Speaker 9: really bad offensive line in Oklahoma State. He couldn't really
Speaker 9: maneuver around it, didn't show a lot of contact balance
Speaker 9: even though he's six foot two two twenty five. So
Speaker 9: I wonder how many how much teams will value this
Speaker 9: twenty four season compared to the twenty three year. But
Speaker 9: you could get a guy if he channels what he
Speaker 9: had in twenty three. Shoot, you're gonna have a pretty
Speaker 9: good product on your hands. So Jarquois Hunter is another
Speaker 9: guy that I have a fourth round grade on that
Speaker 9: maybe could slip to the fifth.
Speaker 8: It's just it just based on so you're really you.
Speaker 4: Are gambling a little bit there though right on undred percent.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean you know it goes yeah, but if
Speaker 8: you wait till anything, That's.
Speaker 4: What I'm saying. I'm just worried though, that we're gonna
Speaker 4: sit there in the fourth round and we're do in
Speaker 4: the draft show and we're covering it, and then we'll
Speaker 4: talk about all of a sudden in day three, those
Speaker 4: backs just start, and I think there's gonna be a
Speaker 4: run on backs and potentially in the third round as well.
Speaker 4: So we can see the run and then we'll maybe
Speaker 4: see another run. And I wonder if if there's some guys,
Speaker 4: if you if you told me with certainty and you
Speaker 4: do a great job with the draft, Nick, if you
Speaker 4: told me, hey, there's gonna be some fourth round guys
Speaker 4: that are gonna be there in the fifth, then I
Speaker 4: then I then I'll I'll go with you. But I'm
Speaker 4: trying to I've kind of broke this thing down just
Speaker 4: for simplicity, is the very good and the good. You
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying, if you give me a chance
Speaker 4: to draft DF very good, I'm going to draft very
Speaker 4: good because I know good is good is good, but
Speaker 4: very good might be the difference. You know, some of
Speaker 4: these lines you talk about, you know, with the with
Speaker 4: the Cardinals, their quarterback was a part of some of
Speaker 4: the stuff, I mean, the threat of him running, and
Speaker 4: you don't have that here. So people will be able
Speaker 4: to say, Okay, can the offensive line in its current
Speaker 4: configuration be good enough to be like with Arizona?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Possibly? Can the tiight ends block? Sure? You know that's
Speaker 4: all possibly to the coaching, because we know the coaching
Speaker 4: and stuff will be better. But the thing, like I said,
Speaker 4: if you gave me an opportunity to draft very good
Speaker 4: as opposed to good, I think that makes a difference.
Speaker 4: I think backs do make a difference. That's why to me,
Speaker 4: Ashton Genty when people are talking about why would you
Speaker 4: take Ashton Genty? Because Ashton Genty makes your offensive line better.
Speaker 4: His ability to make people miss make your offensive line better.
Speaker 4: That's why if you have a guy that has that
Speaker 4: kind of ability you know Harvey from Central floor. You
Speaker 4: get a guy a draft like that, and all of
Speaker 4: a sudden, he's making people miss your offensive lines better
Speaker 4: because they don't always have to hold their blocks for
Speaker 4: an extra count. They got backs that can make people
Speaker 4: miss and get yards. Give me that. That's what I
Speaker 4: wanted to back.
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Speaker 2: We had a little prophete talk this girl Amberger seeing terrible.
Speaker 10: Why I always gave blame for things because we're bringing it,
Speaker 10: we're not. But you said something. Nick looked at me,
Speaker 10: We locked eyes and I just laughed. Okay, So that
Speaker 10: was that, all right?
Speaker 2: Before we went to break Amber had a point she
Speaker 2: wanted to make.
Speaker 4: That was your point?
Speaker 2: Now, she mo, right, what did you make your point?
Speaker 5: Hey, Hey, I'm gonna take my time.
Speaker 2: All right? Yeah, we got what good a minutes?
Speaker 9: So for it?
Speaker 10: Good good, good, because I'm gonna try to verbalize what
Speaker 10: was going through my head so as you.
Speaker 5: Insight.
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Speaker 10: Okay, while you guys were talking, I just kept going
Speaker 10: back and forth on Okay, how big of a necessity
Speaker 10: is it really for the cowboys to go get a
Speaker 10: very dynamic running back, and I'm going back and forth
Speaker 10: in what I've seen in history with the Dallas Cowboys,
Speaker 10: and I'm thinking, okay.
Speaker 5: And I started running around when Zeke was drafted.
Speaker 10: At the time I did. I wasn't like crazy. I
Speaker 10: know some people were choosing Zeke and they were looking
Speaker 10: at him.
Speaker 5: At the time. I was more focused on the defense
Speaker 5: and a corner.
Speaker 10: So then Zeke comes in and then you see the
Speaker 10: fact that he had and the explosiveness and how everything.
Speaker 5: Was just crazy and magical.
Speaker 10: But you have to take into account how the offensive
Speaker 10: line looked at the time, how great that line was.
Speaker 10: And then I started going back, Okay, how did those
Speaker 10: other guys that weren't like Zeke caliber look like with
Speaker 10: such a good offensive line? And I went back to
Speaker 10: think about Alfred Morris, you had Rod Smith, and I remember,
Speaker 10: I don't have a clear memory, but I remember at
Speaker 10: the time they were very efficient, not to the Zeke level,
Speaker 10: but they were still productive and taking care of business.
Speaker 10: Even when Darren McFadden he went in, when Romo went
Speaker 10: in for that last series of his career here with
Speaker 10: the Cowboys and in the NFL, and he was very effective.
Speaker 10: They went down, they drove that thing down so easy,
Speaker 10: got into the end zone. So again that leads me
Speaker 10: back to thinking, Okay, necessity and priority number one solidifying
Speaker 10: the offensive line, making sure we all know that's where
Speaker 10: it all starts, and focus and number one problem here
Speaker 10: is making sure you have that you won't give the
Speaker 10: protection to Dak, but also it just makes the running
Speaker 10: backs job easier. Now, with that being said, I feel
Speaker 10: like you solidify that and you can still be productive
Speaker 10: with the guys. Back to your original question, Derek, you
Speaker 10: can still I feel like, be productive with the guys
Speaker 10: you currently have. But back to Brian's point, how much
Speaker 10: of that next level are you willing to take it?
Speaker 10: And how much are you willing to invest that? And
Speaker 10: we saw even last year when you don't have a
Speaker 10: running game, and the running game took a while to
Speaker 10: get going with.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, well they took a while to get
Speaker 2: him going.
Speaker 10: Yes, with the scheme and everything, but taken into account
Speaker 10: everything that you guys said, the new coaching staff and
Speaker 10: everything that they're trying to change up here, and really
Speaker 10: they've been very vocal about putting an effort and being
Speaker 10: intentional with the running game. So I think that's going
Speaker 10: to be a main focus point for this offense and
Speaker 10: a big priority there. So I think taking all of
Speaker 10: that into account, it just I just keep going back
Speaker 10: and forth of Okay, what's the right at.
Speaker 4: What point plan of attack?
Speaker 10: Yeah, but for the draft specifically, at what point do
Speaker 10: you really want to invest into.
Speaker 5: A running back?
Speaker 10: And I mean I hate hearing what Nick says because
Speaker 10: then I feel like, Okay, you're making me think we
Speaker 10: can wait till day three.
Speaker 5: But then that does make me nervous.
Speaker 8: It makes everyone nervous.
Speaker 10: But it's good to know that there is depth options,
Speaker 10: so many options out there. But I think again, priority
Speaker 10: number one offensive line.
Speaker 7: Yeah, the way I look at that, and I agree
Speaker 7: with a lot of what you say there, Abro. I
Speaker 7: will say this though, if let's say, for example, in
Speaker 7: the first round, Dallas gets wide receiver.
Speaker 2: Let's say they get Teed or Golden, either one.
Speaker 7: Let's say they pick up in the second or third round,
Speaker 7: they pick up an offensive lineman in a cornerback. All right,
Speaker 7: if they come away from days one and two with
Speaker 7: those things, I feel a lot better about the idea
Speaker 7: of getting even though you're taking a gamble getting a
Speaker 7: running back.
Speaker 2: Let's say in the fifth round.
Speaker 7: The reason why is because I think at that point
Speaker 7: you will have an offense that has hopefully, hopefully or
Speaker 7: at least what you hope, what you're thinking, your offensive
Speaker 7: line will be somewhat solidified. You feel good about where
Speaker 7: you're going with your offensive line. You have the new
Speaker 7: offensive coaches who are going to focus on that offensive
Speaker 7: of that run game. You have now a second wide receiver,
Speaker 7: which they've been really needing here for quite a while,
Speaker 7: and you've sewn up what you what you needed to
Speaker 7: take care of a cornerback. Those, in my opinion, are
Speaker 7: your three biggest areas of need. And I think running
Speaker 7: back you can manage those other positions. I don't know
Speaker 7: that you can manage those positions if you don't come
Speaker 7: away from the draft with people that can come in
Speaker 7: and immediately contribute. I think running back you it won't
Speaker 7: be optimal. I get your point, Bright, it won't be optimal,
Speaker 7: But I think you can manage with those other things
Speaker 7: you've done. I think you can manage to have your
Speaker 7: running back be take a little more chance on your
Speaker 7: running back than you can on those other positions.
Speaker 2: What do you guys think?
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think that's fair.
Speaker 9: It's if I could sounds like you want to pick
Speaker 9: offensive line at twelve.
Speaker 8: Mbar im Okay, all right.
Speaker 2: That's all about value though. My question for you guys,
Speaker 2: y'all study the players.
Speaker 7: Is there somebody projected to be there at twelve that's
Speaker 7: worth that pick and is better, by the way, better
Speaker 7: than the receivers that everybody's talking about, because quite frankly,
Speaker 7: I look at that and I say, if I can
Speaker 7: get that caliber receiver at twelve, unless you're gonna tell
Speaker 7: me this offensive lineman to somebody that immediately walks in,
Speaker 7: he is a Zach Zach Martin.
Speaker 2: He's walking in.
Speaker 7: He's going to be your starter at guard or tackle
Speaker 7: for the next I don't know, eight to ten years.
Speaker 2: They're great. Let's let's let's have that conversation.
Speaker 10: Has been great when drafting offensive lineman in that first round.
Speaker 10: So I know that they know how to evaluate evaluate
Speaker 10: these players when it comes to the line on offense.
Speaker 4: And I think that.
Speaker 10: Again, I know Nick has said before that he thinks
Speaker 10: is gonna get back into being more mobile.
Speaker 8: Potentially, that's just his intention. That's just his intention.
Speaker 5: Okay, ye, his.
Speaker 10: Intention is to be back more to be mobile. Again,
Speaker 10: I don't know how much I believe in that until
Speaker 10: I see it. So I think there is even not
Speaker 10: just the running game, but also Dak's game in general.
Speaker 10: I think there is just a bigger necessity in making
Speaker 10: sure you have someone that's very, very solid. Now, I
Speaker 10: don't do the draft show like you guys do, so
Speaker 10: you know better where that level of talent fits best.
Speaker 5: Depending on the rounds, I.
Speaker 9: Only have Teed McMillan is the only receiver that I
Speaker 9: have above the first line or first round offensive lineman,
Speaker 9: and those first round offensive linemen armand Membu out of Missouri,
Speaker 9: will camp Out Lsu Kevin Banks out of Texas. So
Speaker 9: those three guys, I.
Speaker 2: Mean you would you stretch and do either one of
Speaker 2: them pick out of one of them? At twelve?
Speaker 9: It worth different Millin is there no no, But based
Speaker 9: on my if I'm sticking to my board, I would
Speaker 9: be going with an offensive lineman because Membo I think
Speaker 9: he would have some right guard flexibility.
Speaker 8: Will Campbell.
Speaker 9: It would be Will Campbell and Ketwen Banks. They played
Speaker 9: on the left side, but you would have to kind
Speaker 9: of maneuver them and make them a little bit more
Speaker 9: comfortable on the right side at guard. But I don't know,
Speaker 9: it's you would definitely have to move some things around
Speaker 9: and it would be a little difficult. You just drafted
Speaker 9: a left tackle in the first round last year, so
Speaker 9: are you giving up on that if you draft a
Speaker 9: first round offensive lineman and it's just there'd be a
Speaker 9: lot of questions you'd have to ask about it. But
Speaker 9: I mean they have put in resources with thirty visits
Speaker 9: and formal meetings of the combine in evaluating these first
Speaker 9: round offensive linemen armand Membu is one of those guys,
Speaker 9: so you have to factor that in as well.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's if it's I have Josh Simmons from Ohio
Speaker 4: State is one of my best offensive linemen and and
Speaker 4: he is the only guy that I have above McMillan
Speaker 4: on my stack. So to me, that's where Campbell's right
Speaker 4: there for me. Membu's right there for me as well.
Speaker 4: I have Banks a little bit later, you know, twenty
Speaker 4: one on my stack. So I'm kind of I would
Speaker 4: be committed to the first three names of Simmons, Campbell
Speaker 4: or Mimbo, you know, over McMillan. I I'll tell you what.
Speaker 4: The thing with Golden, The thing with Golden at wide
Speaker 4: receiver just makes so much sense for me right now.
Speaker 4: It really really does. But you know, but if if
Speaker 4: you told me that, hey, one of those, don't I
Speaker 4: said this, I don't think you can wipe me out
Speaker 4: at twelve, right, Well don't. And somebody tried to wipe
Speaker 4: me out the other day by taking the backs and
Speaker 4: taking the wide receivers out of it in a mock draft.
Speaker 4: And then I just picked Memboo and I just and
Speaker 4: I moved on, and I'm like, you know, you can't.
Speaker 4: You cannot wipe this team out at twelve. I don't
Speaker 4: believe so to me. And to Amber's point, that to
Speaker 4: me would be the one he said if you said
Speaker 4: a kind of a surprise position to take, I think
Speaker 4: offensive line tight end would be the most surprising to
Speaker 4: me in the first but then offensive tackle would probably
Speaker 4: be the next most surprising group to me. Oor safety, Uh,
Speaker 4: I think safety is you know, I don't know if
Speaker 4: they would take somebody at twelve. That's That's what I'm saying. Yea, yeah,
Speaker 4: at twelve. I but tight end, Yeah, you could throw
Speaker 4: safety in there. But I kind of feel like, though
Speaker 4: to me, the fact that they visited one, I think
Speaker 4: they visited us more of a second round one of
Speaker 4: the names that we had. But you can't wipe this
Speaker 4: team out with the draft because or with an order
Speaker 4: of guys going off the board ahead of them, they
Speaker 4: they'll have somebody that they can fall back on, and
Speaker 4: like I say, a guy like Membo, I'd have absolutely
Speaker 4: no problem with that one.
Speaker 7: All right, that's a wrap for us. We will be
Speaker 7: back next week. Actually next next Wednesday will be on
Speaker 7: and on Thursday the draft begins. So next week we'll
Speaker 7: talk a little bit more about draft, talk about who
Speaker 7: you guys really want to see or expect the Cowboys
Speaker 7: to select with that number one overall pick.
Speaker 4: Brian, Can I give you a homework assignment for next week? Sure? Question.
Speaker 4: I want to ask you guys, could the receiver you
Speaker 4: draft potentially at twelve be better than ce d Lamb?
Speaker 4: You're trying to get messy, No, I'm not, just could
Speaker 4: the receiver you drafted well eventually be better than all Right,
Speaker 4: we'll think about we'll.
Speaker 2: Talk about that. We'll talk about that when we come back.
Speaker 7: We'll be back next week on Wednesday, same time till
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