1 00:00:01,440 --> 00:00:06,520 Speaker 1: Bodybags, but Joseph's gotten more. I gotta tell you, I 2 00:00:06,600 --> 00:00:08,680 Speaker 1: really did not think I was going to be coming 3 00:00:08,720 --> 00:00:14,080 Speaker 1: back to this case this soon. And for further reference, 4 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:20,600 Speaker 1: I direct you to our April sixteenth episode of Body 5 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:25,920 Speaker 1: Backs for the initial the initial conversation that we had 6 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:30,440 Speaker 1: about the topic at hand. The reason that I did 7 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:35,159 Speaker 1: not think I would be returning to this topic was 8 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:42,879 Speaker 1: because we had a unique from a crump Son standpoint, 9 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:46,520 Speaker 1: a unique event happened in Birmingham. We wound up having 10 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 1: a serial killer, slash mass shooter. I've never heard of 11 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:59,200 Speaker 1: this before. It just popped onto my radar. We had 12 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:05,080 Speaker 1: fourteen people that well, my friends, there's an update, and 13 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:09,200 Speaker 1: I aim to give it to you right now, and 14 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:09,959 Speaker 1: you're not going. 15 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:10,520 Speaker 2: To believe it. 16 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:19,960 Speaker 1: I'm Joseph Scott Morgan, and this is Bodybacks, Damon McDaniel. 17 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:25,160 Speaker 1: We've already spent quite a bit of time talking about 18 00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:33,200 Speaker 1: this person and Dave, by my count, at that time, 19 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:39,360 Speaker 1: he was responsible for fourteen homicides that could be laid 20 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:46,280 Speaker 1: at his feet, along with a myriad of other crimes 21 00:01:46,319 --> 00:01:50,400 Speaker 1: involving people that were injured as a result of his 22 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:56,640 Speaker 1: shooting spreeze. And today I don't know. I can't remember. 23 00:01:56,720 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 1: My day's all run together. I can't remember what day 24 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 1: it was, but I sent you an article maybe three 25 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:09,400 Speaker 1: days ago, four days ago. He's I hate to use 26 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:14,240 Speaker 1: the word credited, but he has now been credited with 27 00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 1: four more homicides. Dave, is this going to end? Can 28 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:21,680 Speaker 1: you give me some hope here that there's not going 29 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:25,359 Speaker 1: to be more. I have to think that this person 30 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:33,440 Speaker 1: is responsible for a goodly percentage of Birmingham's homicides. If 31 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:38,080 Speaker 1: he was not in the population, Birmingham's homicide body count 32 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:40,440 Speaker 1: would not be as high as it is. And when 33 00:02:40,480 --> 00:02:42,080 Speaker 1: I say, you know, there's a term you use in 34 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 1: statistics when you're studying them in college and that sort 35 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:51,000 Speaker 1: of thing, and it's called when you talk about something 36 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:54,079 Speaker 1: an anomaly or of finding that you have during research, 37 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 1: you say that it's statistically significant. This is statistically significant 38 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:03,800 Speaker 1: when taking the broad view of Birmingham, Alabama and the 39 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:06,680 Speaker 1: homicides that they have in that fair city. 40 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:09,320 Speaker 3: But you got to figure the reason we did the 41 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:13,480 Speaker 3: show a month ago was because Damian McDaniel was responsible 42 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:18,519 Speaker 3: for fourteen murders in fourteen months, allegedly, and we hadn't 43 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:22,400 Speaker 3: heard anything about it outside of our area. And since 44 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:24,440 Speaker 3: both of you, you and I both work on national 45 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:27,919 Speaker 3: shows on a regular basis, it's odd that a story 46 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:32,560 Speaker 3: like this doesn't gain some traction somewhere. We have a 47 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:37,840 Speaker 3: number of cases of deaths around Lady Bird Lake in Austin, Texas, 48 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 3: and we've done shows on that. But this there was 49 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 3: fourteen and fourteen months and now four weeks after, we're 50 00:03:47,880 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 3: doing a show because four new victims have been added 51 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:57,680 Speaker 3: to the count for Damian McDaniel, and in one end, sadly, yeah, sadly, 52 00:03:57,760 --> 00:04:03,000 Speaker 3: one is an unborn child, Angelia Webster, Christian Norris and 53 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:07,680 Speaker 3: the couple's unborn child and another man named Reginald Bryant 54 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:11,920 Speaker 3: have been added to the list of alleged victims of 55 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:15,440 Speaker 3: Damian McDaniel. Sadly, I don't think we're going to even 56 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:16,920 Speaker 3: stop there, Joe. I think there's more. 57 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:24,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just thinking. I'm just thinking, you know, I 58 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:30,080 Speaker 1: guess you when you begin to kind of explore this 59 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:35,760 Speaker 1: idea of this mismatch and listen, I urge anybody to 60 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:38,480 Speaker 1: reach out to me if they've ever heard of a 61 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:42,160 Speaker 1: combo like this, because I haven't. I have not come 62 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:48,800 Speaker 1: across a combo where you've got serialized homicides and that 63 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:52,640 Speaker 1: means that they take place on different dates. First off, 64 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:54,719 Speaker 1: you have to have I think it's three or more 65 00:04:54,800 --> 00:05:00,719 Speaker 1: to qualify to be a serial killer. Our man hits 66 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:06,440 Speaker 1: the jackpot because now he stands at eighteen and in 67 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:13,440 Speaker 1: concert with that, he's been involved in mass shootings. It's 68 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:18,320 Speaker 1: a real head scratcher, you know. I would I'd love 69 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:23,520 Speaker 1: to know what you know from the Behavioral Sciences Unit 70 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:26,480 Speaker 1: at the FBI. I'd love to know if they've studied 71 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:30,200 Speaker 1: anything like this before, you know, and I would imagine 72 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:32,800 Speaker 1: that it has happened. It's not something that happens on 73 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 1: Serial killing is not something that happens on a regular basis. 74 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:39,120 Speaker 1: I know everybody thinks that it does. But the reason 75 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:44,599 Speaker 1: it splash is so big is because they're not caught 76 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:50,240 Speaker 1: as often as people think they are. But in this case, 77 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 1: I think that the police, the investigators have done Yeoman's 78 00:05:56,480 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 1: work in kind of connecting the dots with him movements 79 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:03,960 Speaker 1: and the movements of I think he's got colleagues that 80 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:08,680 Speaker 1: are involved in this as well that have Yeah, colleagues. 81 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:10,440 Speaker 2: Right that kind of hit that that hit me the 82 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:10,960 Speaker 2: wrong way. 83 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:16,159 Speaker 1: So yeah, Wow, Well, compatriots, I don't know. I don't 84 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:18,800 Speaker 1: know fellow desperadoes. I don't know how we could how 85 00:06:18,839 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 1: we could class for it. 86 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:21,320 Speaker 2: I just try to figure out. 87 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:24,080 Speaker 3: You have mass killers and you have serial killers, and 88 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:29,520 Speaker 3: then you have other homicides. But when I look at 89 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:31,839 Speaker 3: this Joe and it's just me, I think of a 90 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:36,920 Speaker 3: mass killer as somebody who comes into a specific area 91 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:39,560 Speaker 3: and shoots up the joint or kills a number of 92 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 3: people in a very short window and leaves or takes 93 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:46,760 Speaker 3: their own life, whereas a serial killer is somebody who 94 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:51,839 Speaker 3: is hunting and can take several years, as we've seen 95 00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:55,040 Speaker 3: in many cases where they change up the mo even 96 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:57,720 Speaker 3: you know, they kill one way for a while and 97 00:06:57,760 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 3: then go away and come back and do it differently. 98 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:03,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, they could. There's there's some there's some indication out 99 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:08,320 Speaker 1: there that there's some people think that there's an attempt 100 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:17,280 Speaker 1: to I don't know too behave the way another previous 101 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:21,160 Speaker 1: serial killer has this kind of masking that goes on, 102 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:23,720 Speaker 1: And I don't think that these people can really extend 103 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:27,280 Speaker 1: that far out to change their ways. They get very 104 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:29,840 Speaker 1: comfortable with it. Oh and by the way, I want 105 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:31,800 Speaker 1: to tell you this, I'm going to throw something out 106 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:33,440 Speaker 1: to you here that you may not have heard this 107 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:38,680 Speaker 1: term before, and it might apply to this guy. I 108 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:40,880 Speaker 1: used the word comfortable just a second ago. Did you 109 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 1: know that there are within there's multiple different type typologies 110 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:51,640 Speaker 1: of serial killers. Okay, the biggest dividing line is that 111 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:55,560 Speaker 1: they use okay, is going to be organized versus disorganized. 112 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:58,559 Speaker 1: And then it kind of drops down, you know, from 113 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 1: there and kind of a pyramid shape, and you know, 114 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:05,080 Speaker 1: you've got these little lines there extending maybe think of 115 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 1: I don't know, if pyramid doesn't work for you, think 116 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 1: of a Venn diagram. Here, here's the term comfort killer. 117 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:18,640 Speaker 1: Comfort killer. The reason I'm saying that these are people 118 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:23,840 Speaker 1: that have a financial motivation. So you can take somebody 119 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 1: that is like a professional hit man, all right, I'm 120 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:35,200 Speaker 1: thinking about the fellow they just called him the Iceman 121 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:41,800 Speaker 1: that there's been several documentaries done on him that killed 122 00:08:41,920 --> 00:08:44,200 Speaker 1: multiple people, alleged that he had killed I think he 123 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:46,360 Speaker 1: even alleged that he had something to do with Haffa. 124 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:50,800 Speaker 1: Who knows. But he got paid for doing what he 125 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:52,800 Speaker 1: was doing and led a normal life. I mean, he 126 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:56,320 Speaker 1: take his family to church every Sunday. You know, he 127 00:08:56,360 --> 00:09:00,400 Speaker 1: was a doting father, but on the side he's out, 128 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:06,359 Speaker 1: you know, ending people's lives. So is this an example, 129 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:13,120 Speaker 1: a subcategory example of a comfort killer who is who 130 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:16,360 Speaker 1: is receiving payment for what he's doing. And that was 131 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 1: actually in our previous episode we had talked about this 132 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:23,839 Speaker 1: that if you think you if you think you hated 133 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:27,599 Speaker 1: the term colleague, let me throw this out to you 134 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:33,360 Speaker 1: that his services were engaged by somebody out there that's 135 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:36,440 Speaker 1: pulling the strings on this. And I have to assume 136 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:41,719 Speaker 1: that the police know who this person is because if 137 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:49,320 Speaker 1: this individual, this damon McDaniel, is being paid to end 138 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:54,719 Speaker 1: people's lives as horrific as what he has done, If 139 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:57,520 Speaker 1: he is being paid to do this, day you realize 140 00:09:57,640 --> 00:10:01,640 Speaker 1: that the person doing the pain is the one that 141 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:06,040 Speaker 1: might wind up with what do we use in Alabama 142 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:11,760 Speaker 1: now the nitrogen mask over their head. In this particular case, 143 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:13,600 Speaker 1: you say, the needle in the arm, or is going 144 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:15,920 Speaker 1: to be sitting in the chair to have the switch thrown. 145 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:21,120 Speaker 1: That person might bear more responsibility than anybody else in 146 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:24,720 Speaker 1: this because I can't you know, I can't think of 147 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:30,800 Speaker 1: anybody what would be the motivation, you know, behind doing 148 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:35,840 Speaker 1: this and ending so many lives in such a bold fashion. 149 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:38,120 Speaker 1: It's not like he did it in a vacuum. You know. 150 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:41,280 Speaker 1: You think back to you know, bt K, who was 151 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:47,960 Speaker 1: highly organized, highly organized serial killer, and he really took 152 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:51,880 Speaker 1: his time. He was a true hunter, and he would 153 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:56,240 Speaker 1: case the houses. He would you know, watch the movements 154 00:10:56,240 --> 00:10:59,000 Speaker 1: of individuals. He would follow them, and he would wait 155 00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:04,680 Speaker 1: and spring at the last moment, uh, you know. And 156 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:07,640 Speaker 1: that's generally one of the main things that I think 157 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:09,760 Speaker 1: I was kind of a template. I'm sorry to meet 158 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:10,720 Speaker 1: step Why would. 159 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:10,840 Speaker 2: You say no? 160 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:13,240 Speaker 3: He I just when I think of BTK, I think 161 00:11:13,280 --> 00:11:17,800 Speaker 3: of him being the average guy, you know, has a 162 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:20,199 Speaker 3: position in the church, is well thought of in the community. 163 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:22,160 Speaker 2: His own family doesn't know who he is. 164 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:25,760 Speaker 3: I've seen interviews with his daughter and it was just, 165 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:28,800 Speaker 3: wait a minute, my whole life was a lie, you know. 166 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:33,520 Speaker 3: And you know you mentioned him and the planning and 167 00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:36,560 Speaker 3: the serialized killing and then him communicating with cops and 168 00:11:36,559 --> 00:11:39,600 Speaker 3: making it a game. It was almost a lifestyle choice 169 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:42,080 Speaker 3: for him to be this kind of a serial killer. 170 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:45,720 Speaker 3: Whereas with McDaniel and Birmingham we're looking at on the 171 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:48,720 Speaker 3: one hand, you have a hired hitman. You know, you 172 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:50,600 Speaker 3: give him a whatever money. I don't know what it 173 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:53,679 Speaker 3: costs to have somebody killed. Usually you get caught because 174 00:11:53,679 --> 00:11:55,400 Speaker 3: the guy who got paid. When he gets got he 175 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:57,920 Speaker 3: rolls over on you and saying you're the one that instigated. 176 00:11:57,960 --> 00:12:01,400 Speaker 3: They're going to get you two. But he was that guy. 177 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:04,040 Speaker 3: But then we've also got him in a mass killings. 178 00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 3: There's two I think, yes too. 179 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 1: Man social gatherings. 180 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:11,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, where he's just gonna off handedly. 181 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:14,040 Speaker 3: Maybe there was one original target, but everybody else was 182 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:15,000 Speaker 3: collateral damage. 183 00:12:15,559 --> 00:12:17,959 Speaker 2: And these are actual people's lives. These are people who. 184 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 3: Have moms, dad's children. I mean, they're living, breathing human beings. 185 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:25,920 Speaker 3: This person decides to take money and get rid of them. 186 00:12:26,559 --> 00:12:29,280 Speaker 3: And the fact that he got away with it for 187 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:32,520 Speaker 3: as long as he did, and now that he's behind bars, Joe, 188 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:36,400 Speaker 3: they're able to you mentioned this before, you said, now 189 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:38,760 Speaker 3: that he is behind bars, they're going to be able 190 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:42,160 Speaker 3: to take their time investigating some of these other crimes 191 00:12:42,160 --> 00:12:45,040 Speaker 3: that he has suspected of being involved in. And that's 192 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:46,720 Speaker 3: what they did. That's how you came up with Think 193 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:52,640 Speaker 3: about it. Norris and Webster, Angelia Webster and Christian Norris. 194 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:59,320 Speaker 3: You're talking about a couple an unborn child and the 195 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:03,520 Speaker 3: last team I'm they're scene alive. It's on Valentine's Day. 196 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:09,400 Speaker 3: They actually left a residence in Insley, which is if 197 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:12,079 Speaker 3: you're driving through Birmingham, it's just right past the spaghetti junction, 198 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:15,960 Speaker 3: you know. Yeah, and it's on the west side of town. Yeah, 199 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:18,160 Speaker 3: And having driven in that area, I know this area. 200 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:19,800 Speaker 3: I'm picturing it in my eyes, you know, I'm picturing 201 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:22,400 Speaker 3: where they were. And they're going to go to the movies. 202 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:25,400 Speaker 3: Right on their way to a movie theater, Joe, a 203 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:28,960 Speaker 3: couple expecting a child go to the movies and they 204 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:29,760 Speaker 3: don't come home. 205 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:31,839 Speaker 2: Two days later, their past. 206 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:34,640 Speaker 1: Around, Yeah, and they're they're in their car and people 207 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:37,120 Speaker 1: were looking for them. Dave, I got to ask you this, 208 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:43,160 Speaker 1: how many how many times on Valentine's Day did you 209 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:45,840 Speaker 1: and le Donna go out for a meal, you know, 210 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:47,719 Speaker 1: just to celebrate just the two of you when you 211 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:50,719 Speaker 1: didn't have kids hanging all over you. I mean there 212 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:54,240 Speaker 1: had to have been moments like no, because I remember 213 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:58,199 Speaker 1: with with Kimmy, you know, we we we would go out, 214 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:00,200 Speaker 1: we'd always make it a point to go out on 215 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:04,000 Speaker 1: Valentine's And here you're celebrating. That's the thing about this, 216 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:10,480 Speaker 1: you're celebrating new life here, all right, she's pregnant. She's pregnant, 217 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 1: all right, and this guy walks up on the car 218 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:20,840 Speaker 1: we are assuming and blast away. What could these two 219 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:41,600 Speaker 1: twenty year olds have done that they deserved the death penalty? Dave, 220 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:47,160 Speaker 1: you know you mentioned you mentioned this young couple that 221 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:52,400 Speaker 1: we're out going to a movie on Valentine's Day and 222 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:57,400 Speaker 1: they run in to a buzzsaw essentially just ends their 223 00:14:57,440 --> 00:15:01,200 Speaker 1: life and the life of their unborn child. There's one 224 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:05,920 Speaker 1: more individual that is that he Damon McDaniel has now 225 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:10,560 Speaker 1: been charged with What do we know about that subject 226 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:13,280 Speaker 1: at this point in tom We. 227 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:20,160 Speaker 3: Know that one thing about McDaniel is that some of 228 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:24,600 Speaker 3: the murders he's tied to, he had a compatriot, He 229 00:15:24,680 --> 00:15:27,880 Speaker 3: had somebody with him who was also involved in the murder, 230 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:33,560 Speaker 3: and meaning he wasn't the sole killer. And there are 231 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:37,200 Speaker 3: more people arrested. There's already a couple of the previous cases. 232 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:42,120 Speaker 3: And in the murder of Reginald Bryant, he was killed 233 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:44,560 Speaker 3: in the fall of twenty twenty three, who signs shot 234 00:15:44,640 --> 00:15:50,440 Speaker 3: to death in the back of a home and that 235 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:53,800 Speaker 3: was in I'm trying to get the exactly is November 236 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:57,320 Speaker 3: twenty seventh of twenty twenty three, and the police said 237 00:15:57,360 --> 00:16:01,040 Speaker 3: at the time, Joe, that it appeared that Bryant had 238 00:16:01,040 --> 00:16:07,080 Speaker 3: been targeted and approached by several suspects prior to the shooting, 239 00:16:07,880 --> 00:16:11,800 Speaker 3: and one or more of the suspects fired shots at him. 240 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:16,000 Speaker 3: That's why when I said Damien Maxwell, actually, I mean 241 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:19,280 Speaker 3: McDaniel actually has other people, you know, involved in some 242 00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:23,480 Speaker 3: of his murders. Lorenzo Wiley was charged with this as well. 243 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:27,720 Speaker 3: He's a thirty year old guy from Fairfield. Both are 244 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:31,120 Speaker 3: in custody. Obviously we know McDaniel is, but Wiley's in 245 00:16:31,520 --> 00:16:36,600 Speaker 3: jail two right now. And I don't know why Reginald 246 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:41,120 Speaker 3: Bryant was in the radar of so many bad guys. 247 00:16:41,160 --> 00:16:44,200 Speaker 3: I mean, Joe, this sounds like something out of a movie. Okay, 248 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:47,400 Speaker 3: this sounds like you've got to detectives downtown and we 249 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:49,440 Speaker 3: got a murder and we got twenty different people that 250 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:51,600 Speaker 3: showed up to shoot him and who did I mean, 251 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:53,320 Speaker 3: that's crazy. 252 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:58,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it is. It's absolutely nuts. And you know, 253 00:16:57,640 --> 00:17:00,800 Speaker 1: we have to go back all the way to the 254 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:05,440 Speaker 1: first when when was when was this individual Bryant? When 255 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:10,119 Speaker 1: was he killed was November, because it was just back 256 00:17:10,119 --> 00:17:17,560 Speaker 1: in July of twenty twenty three, where uh, you know, 257 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:22,159 Speaker 1: McDaniel pops onto the radar, where out of all the 258 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:27,159 Speaker 1: people in the world, he walks into a fire station, Dave, Yeah, 259 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:33,080 Speaker 1: and shoots the place up, shoots one firefighter that survives. 260 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:36,080 Speaker 1: He's been shot in the chest and the legs. But 261 00:17:36,119 --> 00:17:38,800 Speaker 1: you've got this other young man who's just come off 262 00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:41,280 Speaker 1: of probation and I don't mean probation like in a 263 00:17:41,320 --> 00:17:43,919 Speaker 1: negative way. He just graduates from fire academy. It had 264 00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:46,160 Speaker 1: only been a firefighter for a total of a year 265 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:51,679 Speaker 1: and that includes his training. Nice guy. It's like, you know, 266 00:17:51,680 --> 00:17:54,400 Speaker 1: if you go if you walk up to a firehouse 267 00:17:55,119 --> 00:17:58,919 Speaker 1: and you start shooting people, it's like, I don't know, 268 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:01,800 Speaker 1: it's like tearing the head off of flowers or you know, 269 00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:05,879 Speaker 1: it's it's the most it's the most disturbing thing in 270 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:09,200 Speaker 1: that sense that what, what's your point here? Why why 271 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:12,879 Speaker 1: in the world would you do this? Because there's no 272 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:16,160 Speaker 1: justification for killing anybody. But you know, these two guys, 273 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:19,200 Speaker 1: and we all know how hot it is in Birmingham. 274 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:22,480 Speaker 1: They would leave those bay doors open and sit there 275 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:25,160 Speaker 1: and they're big claim to fame there at this particular station. 276 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:27,560 Speaker 1: They've got a lot of elderly people that live around there. 277 00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:31,160 Speaker 1: They would come in and get their sugar checked, if 278 00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:34,560 Speaker 1: they were diabetic, they'd get blood pressures taken, and they 279 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:37,040 Speaker 1: probably just come by and just chat with these with 280 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:40,360 Speaker 1: these folks, they're part of the neighborhood. What would be 281 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:44,040 Speaker 1: what would be the motivation for anybody to walk in 282 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:48,480 Speaker 1: and want to to kill to kill two firefighters? And 283 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:52,199 Speaker 1: that's how he starts out apparently, But I'm starting to 284 00:18:52,280 --> 00:18:54,879 Speaker 1: question everything at this point in time. I don't know 285 00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:57,080 Speaker 1: if they were the first two now, you know, for 286 00:18:57,160 --> 00:19:00,920 Speaker 1: all I know, there may be other people that pre 287 00:19:01,080 --> 00:19:03,520 Speaker 1: date that July event. I don't know. I don't have 288 00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:07,159 Speaker 1: any inside information. But now we've got another one that 289 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:12,560 Speaker 1: had popped up with this gentleman that was shot in November, right, 290 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:17,920 Speaker 1: November decent, November twenty twenty of twenty twenty three, and 291 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:20,640 Speaker 1: he w wasn't on the radar initially. So how far 292 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:23,360 Speaker 1: back does this go? You know, the further back we 293 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:26,320 Speaker 1: go with this thing, the more complex it gets. Because 294 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:29,040 Speaker 1: you know, initially, when you have events like this that 295 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:34,720 Speaker 1: happened and you're trying to establish a timeline you don't 296 00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:38,480 Speaker 1: have you don't have the thirty thousand foot altitude view. 297 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:42,600 Speaker 1: At that point time, you're focused right there, in real 298 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:47,960 Speaker 1: time on the case that you have where you've got 299 00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:51,560 Speaker 1: these individuals at a firehouse that are shot and eventually 300 00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:55,120 Speaker 1: died a hospital. I don't you know, it's hard, it's 301 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:57,720 Speaker 1: really hard to kind of understand it from that perspective. 302 00:19:58,119 --> 00:20:00,520 Speaker 1: But once this starts to kick off and they start 303 00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:04,200 Speaker 1: having these random shootings, you begin to think, well, maybe 304 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:08,440 Speaker 1: these aren't as random as they could have been. One 305 00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:12,000 Speaker 1: thing that's kind of fascinating about this again, there's so 306 00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:18,200 Speaker 1: much that is But to that point, if he has 307 00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:25,160 Speaker 1: other I'll use term compadres that are involved with him 308 00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:31,440 Speaker 1: in doing this, Dave, I wonder how many weapons are involved, 309 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:37,520 Speaker 1: because you know, with serialized events, it's rare that the 310 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:41,800 Speaker 1: serial killer strays very far from what they are very 311 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:45,080 Speaker 1: familiar with, Like if they're going to use a ligature, 312 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:48,000 Speaker 1: if they're going to use a knife, if they're going 313 00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:50,479 Speaker 1: to use a hammer, for instance, there's been people who 314 00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:54,959 Speaker 1: have been bludgeoned to death by serial killers, or if 315 00:20:54,960 --> 00:21:00,640 Speaker 1: they're going to use a gun, you know, well, first off, 316 00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:05,400 Speaker 1: does he own that gun, Have they found the gun? 317 00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:09,200 Speaker 1: And even if they have, if you've got multiple other shooters, 318 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:13,720 Speaker 1: have they recovered any of those weapons as well. This 319 00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:17,360 Speaker 1: is going to be so complex to try to understand 320 00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:21,159 Speaker 1: the forensics in this case because of all of the 321 00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:23,840 Speaker 1: gunshot womens that are involved in this. And it's not 322 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:31,360 Speaker 1: just the dead. I have actually been to the hospital 323 00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:39,320 Speaker 1: to retrieve projectiles that were actually retrieved during surgery on 324 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:45,040 Speaker 1: individuals that eventually died. We actually had a kind of 325 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:48,840 Speaker 1: a famous case in Atlanta where we had an individual 326 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:56,240 Speaker 1: that was shot multiple times and the surgeon extracted to 327 00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:01,760 Speaker 1: projectiles out of the body, had them thrown away and incinerated, 328 00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:07,320 Speaker 1: didn't retain them, and so there was an extensive amount 329 00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:10,320 Speaker 1: of training that went on in the wake of that. Also, 330 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:13,840 Speaker 1: you know, you have to retain the clothes. So everything 331 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:16,760 Speaker 1: in here is so complex. You've got people that are 332 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:20,280 Speaker 1: going to hospitals, they have evidence on their bodies, they 333 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:22,919 Speaker 1: have bullets, projectiles that have been taken out of their bodies. 334 00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:27,480 Speaker 1: You have clothing for instance, which many times when they're 335 00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:31,120 Speaker 1: trying to save lives, Dave, they're just cutting it off 336 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:34,080 Speaker 1: and kind of throwing it on the ground. It's blood saturated, 337 00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:36,600 Speaker 1: but still something that we can use because with the 338 00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:39,600 Speaker 1: clothing you can determine range of fire. You know, if 339 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:42,560 Speaker 1: you're getting a story about what his activities were, say 340 00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:47,000 Speaker 1: for instance, around or in one of these clubs, how 341 00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:49,000 Speaker 1: close was he when he was firing the weapon or 342 00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:52,360 Speaker 1: how close were these other individuals that are involved with him. 343 00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:55,680 Speaker 1: And so this kicks us up to a level that 344 00:22:57,359 --> 00:23:02,680 Speaker 1: I dare say that in their many years of working 345 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:07,800 Speaker 1: homicides in Birmingham, Alabama, I don't know that they've ever 346 00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:12,960 Speaker 1: come across something that is that extensive and this complex. 347 00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:32,399 Speaker 1: So what we do know about McDaniel that those things 348 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:35,840 Speaker 1: that he has been involved with, where we now have 349 00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:43,160 Speaker 1: eighteen eighteen deceased individuals that are that he's been credited with, 350 00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:46,159 Speaker 1: you have to go back and let's just kind of 351 00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:48,520 Speaker 1: revisit the timeline here just for a second. I'll run 352 00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:52,760 Speaker 1: it down. In July twenty twenty three, we have the 353 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:56,800 Speaker 1: firefighters that are shot at the fire station with the 354 00:23:56,840 --> 00:24:02,120 Speaker 1: bay doors open, and which you can imagine the whole 355 00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:05,400 Speaker 1: community was shocked over this. I think anybody that would 356 00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:08,119 Speaker 1: have heard about it would be shocked over it. Then 357 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:13,880 Speaker 1: you jump forward to November of twenty twenty three, and 358 00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:22,040 Speaker 1: initially we had this event involving Reginald Bryant. Well, that 359 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:27,440 Speaker 1: case is credited to McDaniel as well. And McDaniel and 360 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:30,199 Speaker 1: as you mentioned, Dave Wiley, this thirty year old out 361 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:34,320 Speaker 1: of Fairfield. Now just a month month and a half later, 362 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:38,680 Speaker 1: I get well, it's like January the tenth. You've got 363 00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:41,080 Speaker 1: a young lady who's twenty one, Dave, and this is 364 00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:45,280 Speaker 1: in January, January the tenth. She's found lying in her 365 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:50,359 Speaker 1: driveway suffering from gunshot wound and she's pronounced dead there 366 00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:53,240 Speaker 1: at the scene. You know, who's why are you killing 367 00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:57,879 Speaker 1: a twenty one year old woman in her driveway? Is 368 00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:01,479 Speaker 1: there some kind of was she targeted for some specific reason? 369 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:05,159 Speaker 1: Had he been paid to do this? Then you go 370 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:08,800 Speaker 1: to February of twenty twenty four and we've got now 371 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:14,240 Speaker 1: four victims or three victims, including an unborn child. That 372 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:17,359 Speaker 1: was in February. You remember the Valentine's Day shooting. And 373 00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:20,480 Speaker 1: then in April the ninth of twenty twenty four, we've 374 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:25,640 Speaker 1: got Anthony Love And this is kind of an interesting 375 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:31,159 Speaker 1: one day because McDaniel went to a UPS facility and 376 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:35,600 Speaker 1: shot him who you know, you talk about being bold 377 00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:39,800 Speaker 1: that they would go he would go to this location 378 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:43,040 Speaker 1: and shoot this individual. You know, you get the sense 379 00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:47,960 Speaker 1: that as he's going along, he has no fear. And 380 00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:51,240 Speaker 1: this is the one case where they they do make 381 00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:54,080 Speaker 1: mention of the fact that this was a murder for hire. 382 00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:56,520 Speaker 1: At this point, Tom then you. 383 00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:57,120 Speaker 2: Go to this. 384 00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:00,479 Speaker 1: I don't know how else to really just grab it. 385 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:05,840 Speaker 1: It's it's like an unlicensed bar kind of club thing. 386 00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:07,440 Speaker 1: It's called Place. 387 00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:11,080 Speaker 3: They're all over the place and every community has them. 388 00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:13,760 Speaker 3: It's just a win a nod in certain neighborhoods, and 389 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:16,480 Speaker 3: that this is one of those, though it operates under 390 00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:16,960 Speaker 3: the radar. 391 00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:19,080 Speaker 2: You pay a couple of cops or whoever, and there 392 00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:21,000 Speaker 2: you go. Horrible. 393 00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:25,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, And with this, you know, this is like the 394 00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:29,040 Speaker 1: first time that we have a mass shooting. And this 395 00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:32,000 Speaker 1: is a you know, you can go in, you can 396 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:34,760 Speaker 1: buy alcohols called and they referred to at the time 397 00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:37,440 Speaker 1: as the And this is in July twenty twenty four, 398 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:42,560 Speaker 1: the trend Setters mass shooting. We had Stevie McGhee, thirty 399 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:46,160 Speaker 1: nine years old. He's found dead on the sidewalk at 400 00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:50,040 Speaker 1: the scene. And then you've got two others that are 401 00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:56,240 Speaker 1: found inside. Markisha Getting she's thirty nine. Angela Weatherspoon, she's 402 00:26:56,240 --> 00:27:00,920 Speaker 1: fifty six, she's dead inside of trend Setters. And then 403 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:04,959 Speaker 1: you've got another person that rolls into UAB hospital and 404 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:07,680 Speaker 1: they eventually died. Ladarius Anderson, he's twenty. 405 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:09,840 Speaker 3: You remember, I remember when we were talking about this 406 00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:11,560 Speaker 3: the first time, and I asked you, how do you 407 00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:14,240 Speaker 3: deal with that? You know, in terms of an investigation, 408 00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:17,200 Speaker 3: when you have you've got a mass shooting. We've got 409 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:20,480 Speaker 3: people over here that are dead or wounded. But then 410 00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:25,880 Speaker 3: hours later somebody comes in and they're wounded and die. 411 00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:28,520 Speaker 3: I mean they come by themselves, not through the ambulance. 412 00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:31,200 Speaker 3: I wonder what that does to an investigation. 413 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:35,239 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, what's going to be really important, Dave, one 414 00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:36,919 Speaker 1: of the most I'm glad you asked that, because one 415 00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:39,680 Speaker 1: of the most important things that you can draw upon. 416 00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:42,520 Speaker 1: You know, when EMTs roll out to a scene, they 417 00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:45,399 Speaker 1: start they have their own well what they some people 418 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:49,639 Speaker 1: call it a run number. Some people dependent upon the 419 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:52,159 Speaker 1: para medical services that will call it a case number. 420 00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:55,760 Speaker 1: But they're going on a run. And so when that 421 00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:58,440 Speaker 1: number is generated, all right, and they run out there, 422 00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:03,200 Speaker 1: they arrive and anytimes, the first responders are the first 423 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:05,840 Speaker 1: people on the scene. Sometimes they beat the cops there, 424 00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:10,720 Speaker 1: so what they see at the scene is invaluable. All right, Well, 425 00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:13,040 Speaker 1: you don't have that with somebody that just comes in 426 00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:15,800 Speaker 1: off of the street. So where do you get information from? 427 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:18,680 Speaker 1: Was that first point of contact? It might be a 428 00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:21,840 Speaker 1: security guard that's standing, say, for instance, off of the 429 00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:25,919 Speaker 1: inside of because most big cities that have emergency rooms, 430 00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:29,240 Speaker 1: if you've ever noticed this, they've got security guards that 431 00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:32,320 Speaker 1: are seated inside of the waiting room. That's because you 432 00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:36,280 Speaker 1: never know what's going to happen on any given night 433 00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:38,320 Speaker 1: in there. You can have fights break out, all kinds 434 00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:41,800 Speaker 1: of stuff. Well, you've got somebody that rolls in and 435 00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:44,440 Speaker 1: they're bleeding, they're complaining, I've been shot, I've been shot. 436 00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:47,040 Speaker 1: That's your first point of contact. And so all of 437 00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:48,720 Speaker 1: the information that you're going to get is going to 438 00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:51,440 Speaker 1: come from the medical staff about this guy and he 439 00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:55,400 Speaker 1: just walks in off the street. Well, their statements are 440 00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:57,640 Speaker 1: going to be critical. You know what did he say? 441 00:28:58,000 --> 00:28:59,240 Speaker 1: You know, at that point in time, you know he 442 00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:05,520 Speaker 1: dies l Dave. So if he ambulates in he's bleeding out. Internally, 443 00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:08,120 Speaker 1: you can't necessarily appreciate that at that point in time, 444 00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:11,880 Speaker 1: then buddy, let me tell you, you've got to get 445 00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:14,840 Speaker 1: every bit of information because he's gone now you're not 446 00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:17,680 Speaker 1: going to be able to get anything from him. So 447 00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:21,720 Speaker 1: that becomes very problematic. You have to chase down every 448 00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:25,000 Speaker 1: person that you can in order to, you know, to 449 00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:29,200 Speaker 1: try to understand, you know, what was going on at 450 00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:32,360 Speaker 1: that particular time. You move beyond July and you get 451 00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:37,120 Speaker 1: into August of twenty twenty four, and you've got an 452 00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:44,240 Speaker 1: individual that's that's found inside of an apartment development by 453 00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:48,640 Speaker 1: the name of Charles Herbert Moore. He shot unresponsive, he's 454 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:55,120 Speaker 1: pronounced dead at the scene. And you have another suspect 455 00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:59,080 Speaker 1: other than McDaniel that is charged in this case, this 456 00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:02,960 Speaker 1: is Charles na You have September of twenty twenty four 457 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:12,280 Speaker 1: where they discover an individual by the name of Darnett 458 00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:17,920 Speaker 1: Tenny Brown, thirty five years old, and she's been suffering 459 00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:22,320 Speaker 1: from gunshot wound. She's found inside of a bar. Why 460 00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:25,200 Speaker 1: her you know, what connectivity do any of these people 461 00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:28,000 Speaker 1: have with one another? And of course that in the 462 00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:33,800 Speaker 1: same month, you have the five point South mass shooting 463 00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:35,520 Speaker 1: that takes place, and again. 464 00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:39,440 Speaker 3: This is the second one we had the Trendsetters. This 465 00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:43,840 Speaker 3: is your second mass killing by the same alleged same suspect. 466 00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:48,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, at this particular place, you've got 467 00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:52,600 Speaker 1: four people that are killed here Dave, with seventeen others 468 00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:57,800 Speaker 1: that have been wounded. And this is like a it's 469 00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:00,440 Speaker 1: you know, this is kind of confused. A lot of 470 00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:03,120 Speaker 1: stuff takes place on the outside. There's like a hookah 471 00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:06,320 Speaker 1: lounge there and a cigar lounge that sort of thing, 472 00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:11,800 Speaker 1: but there is a trendsetter's bar that's immediately adjacent to 473 00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:18,720 Speaker 1: this area. You've got Roder Patterson, Taj Brooker, Carlos McCain, 474 00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:24,680 Speaker 1: and Andrew Holman for more people that are too again 475 00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:30,800 Speaker 1: to his credit, then you know, you go forward. We 476 00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:35,600 Speaker 1: still got another individual, JaMarcus m McIntire. 477 00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:37,320 Speaker 2: Next day, by the way, and yeah. 478 00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:41,360 Speaker 1: In the wake of all of this chaos, and I'm thinking, 479 00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:44,680 Speaker 1: because having been involved. 480 00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:49,880 Speaker 3: In yeah, let me stop Deantrenet today Brown. She's killed 481 00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:54,160 Speaker 3: on September nineteenth. On the two days later, you have 482 00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:58,280 Speaker 3: the Hush Lounge by Point South shooting mass shooting. Then 483 00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:01,200 Speaker 3: the next day, so over a three day period of time, 484 00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:03,640 Speaker 3: you've got two solo shootings and a mass shooting by 485 00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:07,840 Speaker 3: the same suspect. JaMarcus McIntyre was killed on September twenty second, 486 00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:11,920 Speaker 3: twenty twenty four, so three days and all that death 487 00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:14,560 Speaker 3: attributed allegedly to one person. 488 00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:20,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, and in that moment of Tom, you you know, 489 00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:23,320 Speaker 1: you're just coming off of this and I'm thinking about 490 00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:29,600 Speaker 1: the investigators that have been working all night, you know before, 491 00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:32,040 Speaker 1: and then you go into the next day and you've 492 00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:35,400 Speaker 1: got another one that's racked up. And I don't know 493 00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:40,800 Speaker 1: if anyone has ever seen the show Homicide that was 494 00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:44,120 Speaker 1: set up in Baltimore, and they had there was a 495 00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:46,560 Speaker 1: classic scene that they always showed and everything kind of 496 00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:49,920 Speaker 1: revolved around that show where you had a board that 497 00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:51,960 Speaker 1: had a whiteboard that was written and they would put 498 00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:57,560 Speaker 1: a magnetic sticker an indicator next to who was up, 499 00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:02,800 Speaker 1: like's who's the next detective. Anything that happens, you got 500 00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:06,400 Speaker 1: the next call because you're next in line. I can 501 00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:10,600 Speaker 1: only imagine in the Homicide division what they're looking at 502 00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:14,160 Speaker 1: in the wake of multiple shootings over a very short 503 00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:18,760 Speaker 1: period of time, and there's other killings that are going on, 504 00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:21,480 Speaker 1: you know that they're having to investigate that are not 505 00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:25,920 Speaker 1: associated with Damon McDaniel. You don't have enough staff to 506 00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:30,320 Speaker 1: cover a lot of this, and this material, Dave, is 507 00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:33,520 Speaker 1: so very dense relative to all of the data that 508 00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:36,320 Speaker 1: you're trying to collect, all of the connections that you're 509 00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:38,960 Speaker 1: trying to make, all of the witness statements that you're 510 00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:42,040 Speaker 1: trying to take from this, it must seem like you're 511 00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:45,719 Speaker 1: absolutely drowning. If this was like a mass shooting that 512 00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:48,800 Speaker 1: took place, say, for instance, we had the Nashville shooter, 513 00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:54,480 Speaker 1: you know that jumps to mind, you had Parkland. You've 514 00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:59,600 Speaker 1: got all of these different shootings as horrific as thos are, 515 00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:03,680 Speaker 1: got containment in that where it's all happening in a 516 00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:08,040 Speaker 1: central location. In you know, a couple of these cases, 517 00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:10,719 Speaker 1: you have individuals where the shooters have died and they've 518 00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:12,840 Speaker 1: been shot as well, or they took their own lives. 519 00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:20,279 Speaker 1: That's contained. Take that a mass shooting in one contained 520 00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:25,399 Speaker 1: location and then spread it out over a timeline where 521 00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:29,560 Speaker 1: you've got multiple deaths in between other mass shootings along 522 00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:33,520 Speaker 1: the way, and it's enough to make your eyes water 523 00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:36,520 Speaker 1: when you think about it. You know, you have to 524 00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:40,520 Speaker 1: ask the question, is it humanly possible to get every 525 00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:43,000 Speaker 1: bit of evidence in a case like this, and if so, 526 00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:45,440 Speaker 1: how are you going to compile all of this? I 527 00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:47,720 Speaker 1: can only imagine right now, because this is an active 528 00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:53,000 Speaker 1: case that's continuing to be investigated. They're literally Dave drowning 529 00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:56,919 Speaker 1: in data right now. You have to understand, it's not 530 00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:59,399 Speaker 1: just the detectives that are working here. You do have 531 00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:03,719 Speaker 1: the forensics people, the crimson investigators that are out there, 532 00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:07,960 Speaker 1: which are different than the detectives, and you're going to 533 00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:13,759 Speaker 1: have the Jefferson County Corner's Office that's going to have 534 00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:16,040 Speaker 1: to do all of these autopsies on each one of 535 00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:21,719 Speaker 1: these individuals. You'll be drowning. And not to mention, not 536 00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:25,400 Speaker 1: to mention the stress that it puts on the prosecutor's office, 537 00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:29,880 Speaker 1: because for every homicide that you have, it's not like 538 00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:33,400 Speaker 1: you bundle these homicides together, all right. These are individual 539 00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:38,040 Speaker 1: human beings. These are victims, individual human beings. And for 540 00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:40,839 Speaker 1: each one of these individual human beings that has met 541 00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:45,680 Speaker 1: their end at the hand of another, there's going to 542 00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:52,400 Speaker 1: be a case number that is generated for that there 543 00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:55,839 Speaker 1: will be a charge that is specifically assigned to that individual, 544 00:35:56,040 --> 00:36:00,359 Speaker 1: that is for their life. And the individual that is 545 00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:03,360 Speaker 1: prosecuting this thing, I can't imagine that they would have 546 00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:07,040 Speaker 1: enough assistant district attorneys to go around, you know, just 547 00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:10,319 Speaker 1: to work each one of these cases. So where does 548 00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:13,200 Speaker 1: that leave you? You know, well, first off, I'm still 549 00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:17,360 Speaker 1: not convinced that this is completely over with, because apparently 550 00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:20,719 Speaker 1: along the way they made some kind of connection that 551 00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:24,320 Speaker 1: even though they had him on fourteen other cases, something 552 00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:29,279 Speaker 1: drew their eye to these other four that we now have. 553 00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:34,520 Speaker 1: I'm just wondering how many more are there. I can 554 00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:37,040 Speaker 1: tell you this, Dave and I are on this. We're 555 00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:39,680 Speaker 1: going to be keeping a close eye on this, and 556 00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:42,000 Speaker 1: I hope that anybody that is within the sound of 557 00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:46,919 Speaker 1: our voice. These cases, for whatever reason, have not made 558 00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:50,239 Speaker 1: it onto the national stage. We're talking about eighteen homicides 559 00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:54,040 Speaker 1: here that are being laid at the feet, primarily at 560 00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:57,680 Speaker 1: the feet of Damon McDaniel. He hadn't been tried, he 561 00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:01,920 Speaker 1: hadn't been found guilty and his accomplices. How's this not 562 00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:05,919 Speaker 1: made national news? I'm amazed. And we can't forget about 563 00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:08,520 Speaker 1: the people that sustained injuries as a result of this. 564 00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:14,280 Speaker 1: The list is long. We'll keep you updated. I'm Joseph 565 00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:18,080 Speaker 1: Scott Morgan and this is Bodybacks