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Speaker 1: Happy Monday, and welcome to another episode of the Chuck Podcast.

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Speaker 1: I am going on advil and caffeine. Those of you

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Speaker 1: Good time for it right good time. It's nothing like

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Speaker 1: doing all that snow shoveling here in Washington. What does

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Speaker 1: that mean? Well, look, there's obviously a ton going on.

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Speaker 1: of trying to I went up with a video sort

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Speaker 1: be asked of the government in there in the ways

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Speaker 1: take up a line and share this monologue, but let

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Speaker 1: for this episode. It's going to be more than Minneapolis

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Speaker 1: we've I know, we've had many moments similar to this

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Speaker 1: That's the message that was sent after Renee Good. And

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Speaker 1: the second message that was sent to residents of Minneapolis

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Speaker 1: So the decision by our federal government to not uphold

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Speaker 1: It's fascinating. And you know, some of my friends on

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Speaker 1: Alex Pretty's Second Amendment rights. But that's the thing with

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Speaker 1: And so conservatives that are going out there, or people

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Speaker 1: you we know what he's up to, right, Scott Besson

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Speaker 1: the Fed tariffs. But good god, sir, don't make a

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Speaker 1: The idea of the Constitution was that it's it's you know,

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Speaker 1: You don't know when your government's going to turn on you. Well,

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of progressives in Minneapolis finding out what

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Speaker 1: this looks like. A government that's decided that the politics

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Speaker 2: That's not America. That's fascism.

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Speaker 1: I don't like throwing around the F word very often

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Speaker 1: any of the efforts because it's one of those things

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Speaker 1: you can't unwerring it. I view it like rape. You

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Speaker 1: accuse somebody of being a fascist, you've accused him of

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Speaker 1: being a Nazi. There's no going back, there's nothing else

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Speaker 1: you can go to. But they're behaving like them, and

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Speaker 1: I don't know what American wants to emulate them. Put

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Speaker 1: it this way, if you're a human being that wants

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Speaker 2: So here we are.

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Speaker 1: We're not in a hypothetical debate about use of force.

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Speaker 1: This is citizens versus their own governments agents. And it

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Speaker 1: raises the elementary political question when the federal state treats

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Speaker 1: our social contract? And that's the question pressing itself on

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Speaker 1: the streets of Minneapolis right now, and it's the conscience

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Speaker 1: of the Republic. This unraveling, though, moves beyond Minneapolis. And

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Speaker 1: I'm not steppy.

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Speaker 1: That isn't all I have to say about Minneapolis, But

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Speaker 1: I'm going to walk through everything that happened because the

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Speaker 1: We're not sure we're ever going to get real investigations,

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Speaker 1: He worked with veterans, He lived in Minnesota. He legally

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Speaker 1: and a lot of hedging strategies. Anti Americanism at this point,

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Speaker 1: it's simply Mark Carney, central banker doing a little risk management.

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Speaker 1: It's Canada, folks. This is like our brother or sister

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Speaker 1: deciding the family union doesn't work anymore. It's not France

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Speaker 1: or Turkey. This isn't a country flirting with autonomy. Canada

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Speaker 1: has been the most reliable partner in the American system

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Speaker 1: for a century, economically, militarily, culturally. When Canada stops organizing

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Speaker 1: its foreign policy around Washington, that's not symbolic, it's tetonic.

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Speaker 2: This is an earthquake, folks.

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Speaker 1: And the response from Washington matters just as much. So,

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Speaker 1: instead of reassurance, the reaction was sort of irrational retaliation.

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Speaker 1: I say irrational because it makes no sense and it

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Speaker 1: also violates multiple trade agreements. But rescinded imitations, tariff threats,

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Speaker 1: public slights. Confirms the very concern Carni raised that alliances

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Speaker 1: are now transactional, conditional, and personal. In some ways, this

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Speaker 1: is Donald Trump trying to overturn the American the entire

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Speaker 1: American order on how America uses its power. So when

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Speaker 1: allies stop performing the rituals of deference, they're not rebelling.

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Speaker 1: They're simply adapting. And that's what Canada's doing. This post

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Speaker 1: war order wasn't held together by dominance alone. It was

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Speaker 1: held together by trust. It was held together by restraint, predictability,

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Speaker 1: and shared rules and mutual respect, not transactional respect. Once

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Speaker 1: that trust goes, power doesn't disappear, but it does fragment

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Speaker 1: and fragmentation is the defining condition of the world we're entering.

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Speaker 1: A fragmented world is a more dangerous one, and Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump has made the world more dangerous. This unraveling that

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Speaker 1: I'm focused on today, that we're talking about, isn't just

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Speaker 1: about force or alliances. It's also about authority who we

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Speaker 1: trust to tell us what's real, what's safe, and what matters.

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Speaker 1: And nowhere has that been more obvious right now than

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Speaker 1: in public health and in media. Aken all of this

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Speaker 1: has been happening in the month of January, so let's

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Speaker 1: start with the CDC and the start of this year.

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Speaker 1: We are having serious discussions inside elite public health circles

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Speaker 1: about whether the polio vaccine should be mandatory. What we

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Speaker 1: don't like that we nearly eradicated polio, so let's bring

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Speaker 1: it back. Is that what make America great again means

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Speaker 1: there's no science has changed on polio, mind you, just

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Speaker 1: the politics around trust have changed. At the same time,

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Speaker 1: measles cases are climbing across more than a dozen states.

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Speaker 1: Diseases we had effectively contained are resurfacing, not because we

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Speaker 1: lack tools, but because institutions are hesitating to defend their

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Speaker 1: own successes. Actually it's not even and it's hesitating to

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Speaker 1: defend successes. You now have people in charge of public

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Speaker 1: health that are at war with those successes. There are

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Speaker 1: at war with the troop.

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Speaker 2: Robert F.

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Speaker 1: Kennedy juniors, at war with the truth, and he is

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Speaker 1: appointed a bunch of people who are making us all

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Speaker 1: more vulnerable to diseases that we had nearly eradicated. So

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Speaker 1: when institutions stop asserting settled science with confidence, skepticism, of

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Speaker 1: course fills the vacuum, and once public health becomes negotiable,

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Speaker 1: the cost is not theoretical, it's biological. Welcome to Darwinism.

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Speaker 1: Now we layer in media power. The administration has approved

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Speaker 1: a TikTok restructuring that leaves algorithmic control largely intact, keeps

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Speaker 1: a significant bite dance steak Ie the Chinese Communist Party

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Speaker 1: influence on eighteen to thirty year olds, and shifts operational

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Speaker 1: authority towards politically aligned domestic investors, people that just want

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Speaker 1: the algorithm to do Donald Trump's bidding. That is not

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Speaker 1: what the US Congress was trying to do with TikTok.

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Speaker 1: That is not a clean national security firewall. This is

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Speaker 1: simply a redistribution of influence. The most powerful content distribution

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Speaker 1: system in American life, one that shapes attention, culture, and

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Speaker 1: political discourse, particularly for those under the age of thirty five,

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Speaker 1: is now being organized, reorganized not around independence or liberation,

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Speaker 1: but alignment. So when scientific authority weakens and media infrastructures

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Speaker 1: become politically entangled, truth loses its referee. And when truth

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Speaker 1: loses its referee, disputes aren't settled by evidence, they're settled

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Speaker 1: by power. Suddenly, the only amendment that's going to matter

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Speaker 1: a lot might be the Second Amendment for too many people.

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Speaker 1: That's the unraveling in its final form. Not chaos, but

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Speaker 1: contestation everywhere all the time. So I've been calling this

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Speaker 1: the Great Unraveling, not because everything is collapsing all at once,

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Speaker 1: but because the threads that once held things together are

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Speaker 1: slipping quietly in plain sight. In Minnesota, it's the idea

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Speaker 1: that force can replace consent. In Canada, it's the assumption

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Speaker 1: that American leadership is predictable. In our institutions, it's the

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Speaker 1: belief that science and truth can stand on their own

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Speaker 1: without being defended. History never announces these turning points. Right

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Speaker 1: History simply leaves warning lights, and right now there are

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Speaker 1: a lot of warning lights blinking at once. Here's the

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Speaker 1: part that matters most though. Unraveling isn't destiny. It's a process,

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Speaker 1: and processes don't reverse themselves. Every era that thought its

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Speaker 1: order was eventually learned it wasn't. The world built after

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Speaker 1: World War two work not because it was flawless, but

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Speaker 1: because people believed it was worth standing up for. Belief

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Speaker 1: was the glue, and Donald Trump has spent the last

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Speaker 1: ten years questioning the belief of American power and superiority

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Speaker 1: over the last seventy years, and he's unfortunately succeeding. And

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Speaker 1: it's making us all more poorer, weaker, and more vulnerable,

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Speaker 1: because when belief weakens, responsibility doesn't shift to someone else,

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Speaker 1: it shifts to all of us. Doesn't mean we all

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Speaker 1: have to believe the same thing, and it doesn't mean

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Speaker 1: everyone has to do the same thing. But there is

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Speaker 1: nobody else. You can't hope. Oh, maybe Senate Republicans, Maybe

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Speaker 1: Mitch McConnell will realize how wrong he was about not

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Speaker 1: convicting Donald Trump, the single biggest mistake any senator has

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Speaker 1: made in over one hundred years in this country. Consider

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Speaker 1: the damage we're facing this month. POI that decision was

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Speaker 1: such a horrible decision. I assume he loses sleep at night.

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Speaker 1: But the point is, you cannot rely on other people

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Speaker 1: to do the right thing. You have to do it.

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Speaker 1: For some of you. It just simply means vote for others.

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Speaker 1: It's protesting. Speaking up matters, Flooding your elected representatives with

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Speaker 1: calls to action matters, refusing to normalize what feels wrong matters.

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Speaker 1: This is not just some period we're trying to survive.

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Speaker 1: Although That is what we're all trying to do here, right.

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Speaker 1: We are trying to survive, but we can't lose our country.

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Speaker 1: And we're losing our country. I don't say it lightly.

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Speaker 1: I don't say it for dramatic effect. It's a fact

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Speaker 1: we're losing our country. We don't trust each other. FBI

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Speaker 1: comes to my door right now, I leave. A single

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Speaker 1: thing they had to say. IRS comes to my door

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Speaker 1: right now. I wouldn't believe a single thing they had

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Speaker 1: to say. Department of Justice. I know I'm not alone.

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Speaker 1: I can't believe I'm saying that. I never thought that

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Speaker 1: under any other administration. I didn't think that under the

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Speaker 1: first Trump administration. But you can't trust anything they say

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Speaker 1: about public health. They can't trust anything they say out

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Speaker 1: of DHS about transparency and what their law enforcement agencies

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Speaker 1: are doing. We can't trust anything the president. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I got the President just lies just as easily as

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Speaker 1: he breathes in all of his speeches, proclamations and there

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Speaker 1: are true. You cannot believe anything out of this government.

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Speaker 1: What doesn't work anymore is sitting out and assuming someone

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Speaker 1: else is going to fix it. The media has got

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Speaker 1: to do something. Republicans got to do something. Everybody has

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Speaker 1: to do their part because when enough people choose inaction,

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00:35:56,360 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 1: irresponsible power fills the vacuum, and once that happens, rebuilding

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Speaker 1: trust will get even harder. The order we inherited is changing.

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Speaker 1: The question is whether we're willing to stand up for

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Speaker 1: what comes next before standing up becomes impossible. All Right,

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Speaker 1: I'm a sneak in a break and when we come back,

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Speaker 1: another brave new world that we're entering the world of

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Speaker 1: artificial intelligence. And my conversation with the documentarian who's just

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Speaker 1: out with a new documentary, which you can see right

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Speaker 1: now if you live in the Washington, DC area. I

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Speaker 1: The movie is called Deep Faking Sam Altman. I'll sneak

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Speaker 1: what is the near term political follow out here? I

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Speaker 1: Number one is this government shutting down right any sort

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Speaker 1: of you know, there is no more distinction between those

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Speaker 1: that want to abolish ICE and those that want to

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Speaker 1: reform ICE. Right now, there is no interest in funding

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Speaker 1: any part of VICE. You may have a Democratic party

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Speaker 1: immigration enforcement law agency, but not under the leadership of Christino.

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Speaker 1: What's fascinating to me on the politics side here is

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Speaker 1: that you start to see you're seeing more elected Republicans

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Speaker 1: get some distance from what Trump's DHS is doing. Here

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Speaker 1: you have Kevin Stitt, the governor of Oklahoma, put out

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Speaker 1: a joint statement, so he went on the record with

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Speaker 1: the NNGA National govern Association. Kevin Stid is the chair,

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Speaker 1: Wes Moore is the vice chair. This is something that

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Speaker 1: every year rotates between a Democrat and a Republican.

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Speaker 2: This is a ray.

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Speaker 1: That's why there's a Republican that's chair. This will rotate

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Speaker 1: in a year, and whoever the vice chair is becomes

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Speaker 1: out a statement that essentially says the federal government needs

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Speaker 1: to let cannot trample on the rights of state governments.

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Speaker 1: He didn't quite it didn't use the word trample. It

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Speaker 1: was definitely carefully worded, but it frankly, you know, before

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Speaker 1: been able to side with the statement that the NBA

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Speaker 1: put out, which is that the federal government doesn't override

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Speaker 1: states the right of state governments to find out what's

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Speaker 1: for a joint investigation. You've got a guy like Bill Cassidy, who,

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Speaker 1: of course may feel braver speaking out against Trump administration

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Speaker 1: now that Donald Trump has endorsed a primary opponent, but

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Speaker 1: and ICE and then the punditry class. And now a

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Speaker 1: member of said punditry class is is Marjorie Taylor Green.

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Speaker 1: She's been out of Congress now twenty days. I thought

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Speaker 1: her statement and I'm going to read I want to

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Speaker 1: read it here. I thought it was interesting because she

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Speaker 1: makes the small C conservative point that I've been making

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Speaker 1: quite a bit. Marjorie Taylor Green writs, I impeach Biden,

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Speaker 1: Secretary of Homeland Security Alejandra Mayorchis. Those were my articles

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Speaker 1: of impeachment that passed in the House of Representatives. I

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Speaker 1: unapologetically believe in border security and deporting criminal illegal aliens,

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Speaker 1: and I support law enforcement. However, I also unapologetically support

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Speaker 1: the Second Amendment. Legally, carrying a firearm is not the

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Speaker 1: same as brandishing a firearm. I support American's First and

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Speaker 1: Fourth Amendment rights. There's nothing wrong with legally peacefully protesting

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Speaker 1: and videoing MAGA. Consider it like this, and then she adds,

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Speaker 1: we lost our minds when we watch Biden's FBI tracked

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Speaker 1: down and aggressively carry out home invasions, her words, and

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Speaker 1: arrest on peaceful J sixers who walked in the Capitol

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Speaker 1: through open doors. Imagining if one of our MAGA independent journalists,

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Speaker 1: or even just a MAGA supporter stood in the street

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Speaker 1: outside a J sixer's house while Biden's FBI carried out

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Speaker 1: a law enforcement operation home invasion and arrest. Then Biden's

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Speaker 1: FBI guys goes to the MAGA guy videoing at all

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Speaker 1: and shoves a woman with him to the ground and

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Speaker 1: sprays them with bear spray. Then throws the MAGA guy

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Speaker 1: to the ground as Maga guy was trying to help

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Speaker 1: the woman off the ground. Then Biden's FBI beats Maga

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Speaker 1: guy on the ground, disarms Mega guy, and then shoots

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Speaker 1: him dead. What would have been our reaction in her

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Speaker 1: hypothetical scenario. This is a hypothetical scenario, she pace, because

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Speaker 1: guess what, this didn't happen under Biden's FBI, right, Yes,

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Speaker 1: they did go and arrest people on January sixth, and

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Speaker 1: not all of you are going to agree to the

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Speaker 1: language she used to describe January six or those that

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Speaker 1: were arrested under lawfully issued subpoenas and indictments. But she

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Speaker 1: has a point here. What would have been the reaction

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Speaker 1: had those FBI agents took a citizen who decided to

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Speaker 1: videotape everything that was happening. So then she both sides

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Speaker 1: it here. She says both sides that you to take

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Speaker 1: off their political blinders. You are all being incited into

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Speaker 1: civil war. Yet none of it solves any of the

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Speaker 1: real problems that we all face, and tragically, people are dying.

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Speaker 1: So that's the reaction from Marjorie Taylor Green. And you

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Speaker 1: can say, well, she's already been breaking from Trump, but

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Speaker 1: she does not break from her own ideology. She is

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Speaker 1: seeing things as a small sea conservative and a memo

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Speaker 1: to my conservative friends who say they're conservative and support

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Speaker 1: this administration. This administration is the furthest thing away from

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Speaker 1: traditional conservatism. It's not even close, couldn't be further. That's

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Speaker 1: why there's you know, and I follow I follow all.

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Speaker 1: I look, I am constantly consuming both MAGA conservatism. So

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Speaker 1: the crazy guys like Roger Stone, who, by the way,

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Speaker 1: is going on his radio show advocate invoking the Insurrection Act,

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Speaker 1: and that should concern us. There are a few people

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Speaker 1: in the president's circle advocating us, and he's a weak

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Speaker 1: mind at the moment. There are people that are trying

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Speaker 1: really hard to keep him from doing the craziest shit.

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Speaker 1: There may not be enough people doing it, but there

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Speaker 1: are people trying to do that, right, Even kat I

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Speaker 1: always love it. My favorite attempt at this is like

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Speaker 1: Kevin Stitt went on one of the Sunday shows and

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Speaker 1: he said, you know, he's getting the president's getting bad advice.

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Speaker 1: You know, nobody ever wants to criticize Donald Trump. It's

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Speaker 1: his advisors. Well which advisor he wants to say, Steven Miller,

709
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Speaker 1: but he can't bring himself to stay Stephen Miller. But

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Speaker 1: it's clear that's what Kevin Stitt is saying. But the

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Speaker 1: point is this is chipping away. This is becoming a

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Speaker 1: massive political problem. There are true libertarian conservatives who would

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Speaker 1: never vote for Kamala Harris, would never vote for a

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Speaker 1: Democrat that cannot sit here in stomach what Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: is doing and what this administration is doing, trampling on

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Speaker 1: the Bill of rights. I mean just up and down

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Speaker 1: the Bill of Rights, full on trampling. So this is

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Speaker 1: a real political impact. This is a political disaster. Look,

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Speaker 1: it is a disaster for all of us. But if

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Speaker 1: you want to look at it just through the prism

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Speaker 1: of politics, it's bad and everybody knows it's bad, even

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Speaker 1: those that attempt to defend some part of what they're doing.

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Speaker 1: Eric Erickson somebody I've known a long time. He's a

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Speaker 1: very decent individual. We don't agree on everything, and he's

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Speaker 1: somebody that sort of tries really hard to have a

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Speaker 1: conversation with mega keeps one foot in the sort of

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Speaker 1: the I'd say, i'd call him a skeptical skeptic of Trump.

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Speaker 1: So it's interesting.

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Speaker 2: He is not.

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Speaker 1: Ready to say DHS shouldn't be in Minneapolis, but he

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Speaker 1: is acknowledging that DHS is making stuff up and they

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Speaker 1: have to stop doing that. So he puts out this

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Speaker 1: one tweet, which I think, again, this is I think

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Speaker 1: it's important to highlight this because this is how various

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Speaker 1: folks are trying to get to the President in different

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Speaker 1: ways to try to let him understand this is a

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Speaker 1: political disaster. So he wants to blame this on democratic

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Speaker 1: policies and the sanctuary city policies. He says, we are.

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Speaker 1: He says he believed the only message that they should

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Speaker 1: be saying is the following, we are at this point

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Speaker 1: because the state of Minnesota and the city of Minneapolis

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Speaker 1: continue to harbor illegal aliens. The American people want to

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Speaker 1: port it. The deaths of American citizens are tragic and

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Speaker 1: made more tragic by the governor and mayor whipping activists

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Speaker 1: into a frenzy to stop the federal government from enforcing

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Speaker 1: the laws of Minnesota and Minneapolis that they refuse to enforce.

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Speaker 1: Neither Miss Good nor mister Pretty would be dead and

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Speaker 1: the border patrol would not be roaming the streets of

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Speaker 1: Minnesota if the state government cooperated with the federal government's

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Speaker 1: efforts to deport illegal aliens. We will not cease enforcement

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Speaker 1: of federal law because of a mob. So that's his

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Speaker 1: way of defending what they're doing, and then because he

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Speaker 1: can't he knows what they're doing is wrong. He also

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Speaker 1: then adds this he said he believes and he's trying

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Speaker 1: to separate the blame. What it really is is he's

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Speaker 1: trying to give an off ramp to the West wing,

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Speaker 1: which is maybe you can stop the bleeding here literally

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Speaker 1: and figuratively if you do the following, and then he

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Speaker 1: writes this, A lot of what is happening now is

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Speaker 1: christinom marginalized Tom Holman, the guy who took that fifty

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Speaker 1: grand bag of cash, so is kind of questionable legitimacy

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Speaker 1: on his own. But I will tell you plenty of

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Speaker 1: people Ali may Orchis and Jay Johnson will tell you

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Speaker 1: Tom Holman very good things about Tom Holman, that he

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Speaker 1: is a professional first who's allowed himself to be whipped

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Speaker 1: up into a political frenzy a bit. But Eric Erickson

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Speaker 1: is arguing that Tom Holman, not being marginalized is why

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Speaker 1: we're here, and that the head of Border Patrol, because

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Speaker 1: Christino prioritize deportation of excuse me, is he right? He

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Speaker 1: goes a marginalized Tom Holman and the head of Border

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Speaker 1: Patrol because those two prioritized deportations of criminals and gang

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Speaker 1: menger gang members. Eric Erickson puts the blame on Christy Noman,

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Speaker 1: Corey Lewandowski, her political advisor, who has some sort of

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Speaker 1: status as a as a federal government worker, and he

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Speaker 1: said no, and Lewandowski wanted broad public roundups without prioritizing

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Speaker 1: the illegal aliens. They bypassed Homan and the head of

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Speaker 1: Border Patrol and elevated Greg Bovino because they want the

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Speaker 1: public confrontations and displays. It's a feature, not a bug,

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Speaker 1: folks to put this sort of this Greg Bovino, he's

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Speaker 1: some sort of want to be I mean, he comes

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Speaker 1: across as some sort of like like he came out

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Speaker 1: of the movie The Matrix, you know, him and his

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Speaker 1: long leather coat. Some people want to say he's a Nazi,

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Speaker 1: like I'm always you know, I'm trying not to go

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Speaker 1: down that road because once you go down that road,

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Speaker 1: you don't unring the bell. But the guy clearly is

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Speaker 1: trying to invoke violence in the way he dresses. But

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Speaker 1: it's like video game violence. It's stupid violence. It's matrix violence. Right,

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Speaker 1: It's ridiculous. Virans ericson goes on and that's not the

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Speaker 1: progressive press reporting this. That's the conservative Fox News, New

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Speaker 1: York Post in Washington Examiner, and he said it's not

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Speaker 1: just Tim Walls and Jacob Pride driving tensions. It is

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Speaker 1: a policy choice made by the Secretary of All Landsecurity

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Speaker 1: and those around her because they thought it would make

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Speaker 1: for great coverage. The point is, look, Eric Herritson wants

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Speaker 1: to defend the policy. It's hard to defend this policy

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Speaker 1: when the people implementing the policy have no regard for

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Speaker 1: the Constitution. This is no longer about the policy. This

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Speaker 1: is about the use of force and the Constitution, and

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Speaker 1: DHS has violated all of it. But the bigger happening

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Speaker 1: here is that as I sort of, as I wrote

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Speaker 1: two months ago on my sub stack, I know I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna pull a muscle padding myself on the back. This

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Speaker 1: coalition that Trump put together is fracturing. Well, it is

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Speaker 1: breaking left and right, and he is And look, and

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Speaker 1: I know you some of you follow erk ers are like, well,

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Speaker 1: he's bolted on Trump and come back before. Yeah, because

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Speaker 1: he's a conservative and he doesn't want us. He's not

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Speaker 1: crazy about you know, just because you know. And this

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Speaker 1: is what liberals have to sort of accept. If you

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Speaker 1: find a conservative critic of Trump, don't then criticize them

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Speaker 1: if they if they turn out not ready to vote

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Speaker 1: for liberals, they may not, okay, But the point is

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Speaker 1: that these folks are gettable. If you go out, if

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Speaker 1: you tackle this from a from a bit more of

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Speaker 1: a dispassionate rule of law, ground yourself in the Constitution.

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Speaker 1: But what is important here is that no Republicans want it.

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Speaker 1: There are very few Republicans. There's a hand there's a

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Speaker 1: handful who only care about the thirty five percent that

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Speaker 1: seem to be okay with this behavior, because as we see,

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Speaker 1: there's a consistent the number keeps showing up is thirty

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Speaker 1: four to thirty five percent. Now you've got to trust

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Speaker 1: that it's it's it's Ice are the good guys. Everybody

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Speaker 1: else is the bad guys, etcetera, et cetera. So that

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Speaker 1: is your your core. You see there that you know

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Speaker 1: it's ICE's behavior justified. It's always about thirty five percent.

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Speaker 1: But the problem is that's not a winning coalition for

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Speaker 1: the right. All they have left is that thirty five percent.

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Speaker 1: And there are some that are only going to worry

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Speaker 1: about that thirty five percent because that all they have.

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Speaker 2: To worry about is primary.

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Speaker 1: But anybody at all dealing with swing voters is suddenly

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Speaker 1: realizing this is wildly unpopular and.

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Speaker 3: Terrible politics, let alone terrible for the country.

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Speaker 1: All right, And with that, it's time for the podcast

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Speaker 1: time Machine. So, as you know, every week in this segment.

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Speaker 1: I like to step back to this week in history,

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Speaker 1: and this week includes one of those phrases that carries

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Speaker 1: multiple meanings depending on who you are and when you

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Speaker 1: came of age. For some Americans, bloody Sunday means Selma

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Speaker 1: and the Edmund Pettis Bridge. For others, it means Northern Ireland.

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Speaker 1: And for a lot of people, especially of a certain age,

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Speaker 1: the phrase may first registered simply through a song Sunday,

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Speaker 1: Bloody Sunday by you two. By the way, It's a

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Speaker 1: song that opens not with poetry, but with a with exhaustion.

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Speaker 1: I guess you could say, I can't believe the news today. Boys,

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Speaker 1: this ring true. Huh. There's some echoes here, that's the point.

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Speaker 1: So tonight though, I am talking about January thirtieth, nineteen

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Speaker 1: seventy two, Bloody Sunday in Dairy and why more than

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Speaker 1: fifty years later it still echoes. Let me set the

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Speaker 1: scene for you. It's Northern Ireland before the shooting. By

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Speaker 1: the early nineteen seventies, Northern Ireland was already simmering with

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Speaker 1: political dis if you call political disruption. The Catholic minority

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Speaker 1: faced systemic housing discrimination, unequal voting power, and routine harassment

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Speaker 1: by security forces. Civil rights marches had begun years earlier,

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Speaker 1: modeled consciously on the American civil rights movement. And here's

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Speaker 1: the critical point. These were not revolutionary marches. They were

858
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Speaker 1: demand simply for equal treatment within the United Kingdom. This

859
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Speaker 1: was not about overthrowing the king or overthrowing the Prime minister.

860
00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:45,400
Speaker 1: But the British government had grown increasingly alarmed. Marches were banned.

861
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:51,000
Speaker 1: Can you imagine that happening here? Internment without trial was imposed,

862
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:56,200
Speaker 1: and the British Army, initially welcomed by many Catholics as protection,

863
00:53:57,040 --> 00:54:01,080
Speaker 1: turned into an occupying force. So here's what actually happened.

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Speaker 1: On January thirtieth, nineteen seventy two, several thousand protesters marched

865
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Speaker 1: in the bog Side neighborhood of Darry. They were unarmed,

866
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Speaker 1: many of them were young. Some of them were even teenagers.

867
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Speaker 1: Not surprising, right, it's the youth that has the energy

868
00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:20,400
Speaker 1: and the motivation to march. But the march was illegal,

869
00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:26,160
Speaker 1: but it was also peaceful. But because it was illegal,

870
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Speaker 1: the Brits deployed paratroopers. Tensions rose and within minutes soldiers

871
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:36,600
Speaker 1: opened fire. By the end of the day, thirteen civilians

872
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:39,120
Speaker 1: were dead. One more would later die of his wounds.

873
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:42,360
Speaker 1: None were armed. Let me say repeat, none were armed.

874
00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:45,879
Speaker 1: Several were shot while running away, Others were shot while

875
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:50,120
Speaker 1: trying to help the wounded. Not crossfire, not chaos. It

876
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:55,960
Speaker 1: was state violence against civilians. Almost immediately, the British government

877
00:54:56,000 --> 00:55:00,000
Speaker 1: claimed the following that soldiers were fired upon they weren't.

878
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:09,040
Speaker 1: Nail bombs were present, fiction force was necessary. Those claims

879
00:55:09,080 --> 00:55:15,400
Speaker 1: were widely reported and for years those claims stood. But

880
00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:19,480
Speaker 1: the damage wasn't just to the deaths. It was a

881
00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:22,759
Speaker 1: collapse of trust. Bloody Sunday didn't just kill civilians. It

882
00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:27,120
Speaker 1: killed the belief that the state could be neutral. I

883
00:55:27,120 --> 00:55:28,560
Speaker 1: know it's hard for you, some of you, to believe

884
00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:32,360
Speaker 1: that the United Kingdom would behave this way in nineteen

885
00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:35,399
Speaker 1: seventy two. I know some of my older Irish friends

886
00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:38,480
Speaker 1: know this no differently, but I'm sure plenty of you

887
00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:40,719
Speaker 1: are going this can't be the UK. Yes, it was,

888
00:55:42,239 --> 00:55:48,240
Speaker 1: so Guess what this did IRA, which was the group

889
00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:53,320
Speaker 1: that was supporting the rights of the abused Catholic minority.

890
00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:58,120
Speaker 1: IRA recruitment surged. The moderates who were trying to preach

891
00:55:58,160 --> 00:56:06,000
Speaker 1: calm were silenced. Radicalism flourished, sounds familiar, doesn't it. So

892
00:56:06,080 --> 00:56:08,280
Speaker 1: here's my lesson from this time machine. When the state

893
00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:13,240
Speaker 1: lies about violence, it radicalizes the people it claims to protect.

894
00:56:16,520 --> 00:56:19,279
Speaker 1: It took thirty eight years for the official truth to

895
00:56:19,320 --> 00:56:21,920
Speaker 1: catch up with the reality of Bloody Sunday in nineteen

896
00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:26,080
Speaker 1: seventy two. It was in twenty ten the Seville Inquiry

897
00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:29,640
Speaker 1: concluded that the victims posed no threat, the shootings were

898
00:56:29,719 --> 00:56:34,000
Speaker 1: unjustified and unjustifiable, and that the soldier's accounts were all false.

899
00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:40,560
Speaker 1: The British Prime Minister at the time formally apologized, Okay,

900
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:43,960
Speaker 1: you know, we've had presidents apologize for slavery.

901
00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:45,640
Speaker 2: It's better than not.

902
00:56:47,560 --> 00:56:51,520
Speaker 1: But it's not like we can rewind history. Northern Ireland

903
00:56:51,560 --> 00:56:55,160
Speaker 1: had already endured decades of bloodshed. Bloody Sunday didn't start

904
00:56:55,160 --> 00:57:00,200
Speaker 1: the fire, but it poured fuel on it. There's a

905
00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:03,120
Speaker 1: reason this moment did not get stay. He did not

906
00:57:03,160 --> 00:57:09,080
Speaker 1: get buried in the history books thanks to our friends.

907
00:57:11,239 --> 00:57:16,320
Speaker 1: Hey you too, Bono. And here's what I'm going to

908
00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:23,160
Speaker 1: do with that annoying bono who one time called me

909
00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:25,520
Speaker 1: a radical centrist. I'm not sure he was paying me

910
00:57:25,560 --> 00:57:27,160
Speaker 1: a compliment, but he was kind of trying to pay

911
00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:30,360
Speaker 1: me a compliment. I think I've mentioned this once or twice,

912
00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:32,960
Speaker 1: but it was one of those weird moments, and I

913
00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:35,320
Speaker 1: was telling him how much I just love the There

914
00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:37,920
Speaker 1: was this one throwback album that I loved her. It

915
00:57:37,960 --> 00:57:41,280
Speaker 1: was a small salon dinner and all he wanted to

916
00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:42,840
Speaker 1: do was talk about the media.

917
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:43,960
Speaker 2: We had a good conversation.

918
00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:48,120
Speaker 1: But when you two released Sunday, Bloody Sunday in nineteen

919
00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:51,040
Speaker 1: eighty three, it wasn't a protest anthem in the traditional sense.

920
00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:52,600
Speaker 1: It was a lament.

921
00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:53,520
Speaker 2: Right.

922
00:57:56,080 --> 00:57:59,360
Speaker 1: The song is not an angry song. It's weary, right.

923
00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:02,320
Speaker 1: How long must we sing this song? Right?

924
00:58:03,560 --> 00:58:05,440
Speaker 2: Broken bottles under children's.

925
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:09,680
Speaker 1: Feet, It's sad. It's not a call to arms either.

926
00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:17,720
Speaker 1: It's expressions of moral fatigue. It's probably why the song resonates,

927
00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:22,640
Speaker 1: and it was important for it to happen because the

928
00:58:22,680 --> 00:58:27,080
Speaker 1: song actually doesn't pick sides. It just simply condemns the

929
00:58:27,120 --> 00:58:31,840
Speaker 1: cycle of bullshit and violence. It captures what happens when

930
00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:35,720
Speaker 1: violence becomes normalized and when everyone insists they're acting defensively.

931
00:58:38,360 --> 00:58:40,600
Speaker 1: It's my great fear of what's going to happen in Minneapolis.

932
00:58:40,640 --> 00:58:40,760
Speaker 2: Right.

933
00:58:40,840 --> 00:58:45,320
Speaker 1: Each side believes the behavior of the other only means

934
00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:48,760
Speaker 1: they've got to They've got to dig in more. We

935
00:58:48,880 --> 00:58:51,840
Speaker 1: need real leadership at this moment to de escalate with

936
00:58:51,880 --> 00:58:54,120
Speaker 1: the President of the United States. It's the only person

937
00:58:54,600 --> 00:58:58,840
Speaker 1: that could play that role effectively, and he's refusing to deescalate.

938
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Speaker 2: I appreciate that jd.

939
00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:06,560
Speaker 1: Vance used calm tone, but he clearly failed because the

940
00:59:06,560 --> 00:59:13,800
Speaker 1: biggest problem that took place there was not opening an

941
00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:18,280
Speaker 1: investigation on Renee Good and we now understand the fallout

942
00:59:18,320 --> 00:59:21,800
Speaker 1: from that. But back to my time, as you could see,

943
00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:24,760
Speaker 1: it's hard. It's hard to disentangle anything these days from

944
00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:28,840
Speaker 1: what's happening on the ground of Minneapolis. But let me

945
00:59:28,840 --> 00:59:32,160
Speaker 1: be precise here. I don't want to say that history

946
00:59:32,200 --> 00:59:35,720
Speaker 1: is repeating itself, but we should recognize the patterns, and

947
00:59:35,720 --> 00:59:38,480
Speaker 1: that's what the point of Bloody Sunday is. Bloody Sunday

948
00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:42,360
Speaker 1: shows us that what happens when governments refine redefined protest

949
00:59:42,640 --> 00:59:46,880
Speaker 1: as inherent disorder. You've heard many of these propagandas do

950
00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:49,760
Speaker 1: that on the Sunday morning shows. They're trying to treat

951
00:59:49,840 --> 00:59:54,680
Speaker 1: whole communities as suspect. Again, all of Minneapolis is the problem.

952
00:59:55,160 --> 00:59:57,720
Speaker 1: If you believe Stephen Miller and they went to rely

953
00:59:57,800 --> 01:00:03,760
Speaker 1: on force first and an explanation later. When modern leaders

954
01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:07,640
Speaker 1: talk about dominating cities, or when immigration enforcement rhetoric shifts

955
01:00:07,640 --> 01:00:12,040
Speaker 1: from law to punishment, history reminds us of something essential.

956
01:00:12,120 --> 01:00:15,440
Speaker 1: States almost never see themselves as crossing a line in

957
01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:20,120
Speaker 1: real time. They tell themselves they're restoring order. They tell

958
01:00:20,200 --> 01:00:26,720
Speaker 1: themselves that restraint has failed. They tell themselves forces temporary.

959
01:00:26,920 --> 01:00:29,800
Speaker 1: Bloody Sunday tells us how permanent the consequences can be.

960
01:00:32,760 --> 01:00:35,960
Speaker 1: There's a reason bloody Sunday as a phrase still resonates.

961
01:00:36,760 --> 01:00:39,120
Speaker 1: It's a shorthand for a moment when the state lost

962
01:00:39,120 --> 01:00:44,880
Speaker 1: moral authority by the way. That happened in Selma, that

963
01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:48,880
Speaker 1: happened in Dry, that happened in Minneapolis.

964
01:00:50,200 --> 01:00:51,560
Speaker 2: Legitimacy has collapsed.

965
01:00:53,160 --> 01:00:56,360
Speaker 1: That happened in the South in the sixties, that happened

966
01:00:56,360 --> 01:01:00,280
Speaker 1: in Northern Ireland in the seventies, and that's happened right

967
01:01:00,280 --> 01:01:05,160
Speaker 1: now in the ground in Minneapolis, and truth took decades

968
01:01:05,200 --> 01:01:11,040
Speaker 1: to surface. I hope that's not the case in Minneapolis,

969
01:01:11,080 --> 01:01:13,960
Speaker 1: but it has been the case with civil rights in

970
01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:18,200
Speaker 1: the sixties and what happened in Northern Ireland in the seventies.

971
01:01:19,360 --> 01:01:22,320
Speaker 1: But this is why that phrase survives in history books,

972
01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:26,680
Speaker 1: in memory, and in music. So when we look back

973
01:01:26,920 --> 01:01:30,720
Speaker 1: later this week on January thirtieth, nineteen seventy two, the

974
01:01:30,840 --> 01:01:34,160
Speaker 1: lesson isn't simply about Northern Ireland. It's about restraint, It's

975
01:01:34,200 --> 01:01:37,840
Speaker 1: about truth. It's about how easily governments convince themselves that

976
01:01:37,960 --> 01:01:44,000
Speaker 1: force will solve what legitimacy already had lost, or, as

977
01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:48,480
Speaker 1: you two put it, without offering any answers, only a warning,

978
01:01:50,120 --> 01:02:03,160
Speaker 1: the battles just bego. All right, let's do some question, ask, Chuck,

979
01:02:07,400 --> 01:02:10,040
Speaker 1: I know what more is there to say or ask?

980
01:02:10,080 --> 01:02:15,440
Speaker 1: At this point, I'll admit I'm mentally exhausted from all

981
01:02:15,440 --> 01:02:21,080
Speaker 1: of this, but this podcast, everything I'm doing is meaningless

982
01:02:21,120 --> 01:02:25,880
Speaker 1: without your contributions, and I'm not going to let an

983
01:02:25,920 --> 01:02:29,360
Speaker 1: episode go without taking a few questions, and so uh

984
01:02:29,760 --> 01:02:32,040
Speaker 1: with that, I'll start with this, Chuck. I heard you

985
01:02:32,040 --> 01:02:34,720
Speaker 1: say that the ICE agents in Minneapolis were untrained newbies.

986
01:02:34,760 --> 01:02:36,800
Speaker 1: But the one who killed Renee Good was reportedly a

987
01:02:36,840 --> 01:02:38,640
Speaker 1: ten year veteran and the one who shot the ICU

988
01:02:38,720 --> 01:02:41,600
Speaker 1: nurse had six seven years of experience. That's actually more troubling.

989
01:02:41,800 --> 01:02:43,840
Speaker 1: Those aren't rookies, and they were likely trained under more

990
01:02:43,840 --> 01:02:46,920
Speaker 1: constitutionally aware policies. I just wanted to share that nuance

991
01:02:46,960 --> 01:02:48,560
Speaker 1: in case it hadn't come across your red area and

992
01:02:48,640 --> 01:02:50,520
Speaker 1: keep up the good work. Corey B Hey, it's fair,

993
01:02:52,280 --> 01:02:54,680
Speaker 1: you know. I think it goes back to are there

994
01:02:54,680 --> 01:02:56,640
Speaker 1: going to be consequences for bad actions?

995
01:02:56,720 --> 01:02:57,080
Speaker 2: Right? You know?

996
01:02:57,200 --> 01:03:00,160
Speaker 1: Ultimately, why are there laws? Why do we have these

997
01:03:00,280 --> 01:03:04,160
Speaker 1: laws against bad actions when sometimes bad actors are going

998
01:03:04,200 --> 01:03:06,240
Speaker 1: to happen no matter what. Because I do think in

999
01:03:06,280 --> 01:03:12,120
Speaker 1: some circumstances somebody who there are people who who, if

1000
01:03:12,160 --> 01:03:16,400
Speaker 1: there are no consequences, don't have their own moral center.

1001
01:03:18,080 --> 01:03:20,920
Speaker 1: But it takes consequences for them to have a moral

1002
01:03:20,960 --> 01:03:25,080
Speaker 1: center or at least behave as if they have one.

1003
01:03:25,440 --> 01:03:31,400
Speaker 1: So these are important facts. They're even more troubling, but

1004
01:03:31,480 --> 01:03:35,520
Speaker 1: there's no doubt that this is top down. They are

1005
01:03:35,680 --> 01:03:39,320
Speaker 1: the message that it's been sent is that there will

1006
01:03:39,360 --> 01:03:46,680
Speaker 1: be tolerance for violence, and that has allowed plenty of

1007
01:03:46,720 --> 01:03:50,360
Speaker 1: those who are of a weak mind and maybe don't

1008
01:03:50,360 --> 01:03:54,360
Speaker 1: have a moral or ethical center that is filled with

1009
01:03:54,480 --> 01:03:58,040
Speaker 1: empathy or even has an ounce of empathy, they can

1010
01:03:58,080 --> 01:04:02,560
Speaker 1: then also do bad things. You know, I still stand

1011
01:04:02,600 --> 01:04:06,120
Speaker 1: by that. Look, the training videos, the advertisements for ice

1012
01:04:06,160 --> 01:04:09,440
Speaker 1: agents tell you what they're They're not looking for law

1013
01:04:09,520 --> 01:04:13,919
Speaker 1: enforcement officers who practice restraint and de escavatory, so there's

1014
01:04:13,920 --> 01:04:18,560
Speaker 1: no doubt. And perhaps these guys were picked because they're

1015
01:04:18,600 --> 01:04:22,240
Speaker 1: more likely to be thugs in their behavior, not less likely.

1016
01:04:24,040 --> 01:04:27,919
Speaker 1: Next question comes from Kenny from Massapequa. I just wanted

1017
01:04:27,960 --> 01:04:29,880
Speaker 1: to be able to prove I could say, Massapequa, I

1018
01:04:29,960 --> 01:04:31,880
Speaker 1: appreciate your take on the Minnapolis shooting and agreed to

1019
01:04:31,920 --> 01:04:33,400
Speaker 1: nearly all of it. One thing I'd add The video

1020
01:04:33,440 --> 01:04:36,000
Speaker 1: shows the agents escalating quickly, no sign of de escalation,

1021
01:04:36,280 --> 01:04:37,760
Speaker 1: and it looks like the young man was trying to

1022
01:04:37,800 --> 01:04:40,400
Speaker 1: protect another protester who had just been shoved. That level

1023
01:04:40,400 --> 01:04:43,080
Speaker 1: of aggression suggests deeper issues than just lack of training.

1024
01:04:43,280 --> 01:04:46,240
Speaker 2: Fair point. It's also clear now that the Trump administration fully.

1025
01:04:46,000 --> 01:04:48,760
Speaker 1: Supports these tactics, and I worry about the feedback loop

1026
01:04:48,800 --> 01:04:51,720
Speaker 1: that creates. Are you hearing anything different behind the scenes. Also,

1027
01:04:51,720 --> 01:04:54,080
Speaker 1: even though I'm pretty far left politically, I listened regularly

1028
01:04:54,200 --> 01:04:56,480
Speaker 1: appreciate the honest conversations you bring to the table. Thanks

1029
01:04:56,520 --> 01:04:59,040
Speaker 1: for helping me step outside my own echo chambers. Stay warm.

1030
01:04:59,120 --> 01:05:03,160
Speaker 1: Kenny from Mespeaka, Well, look, I mean I think at

1031
01:05:03,160 --> 01:05:08,000
Speaker 1: this point the fact that you're starting to see folks

1032
01:05:08,000 --> 01:05:11,880
Speaker 1: that will support this more aggressive policy going to get

1033
01:05:11,960 --> 01:05:16,400
Speaker 1: anybody that's in this country that's undocumented and deporting them immediately.

1034
01:05:19,160 --> 01:05:23,080
Speaker 1: Those that support the policy are starting to get uncomfortable

1035
01:05:23,080 --> 01:05:26,640
Speaker 1: with the tactics. So it is the tactics that to

1036
01:05:26,720 --> 01:05:29,280
Speaker 1: me are the eighty twenty issue here. The policy is

1037
01:05:29,280 --> 01:05:32,560
Speaker 1: not eighty twenty right, And I think we've all of that.

1038
01:05:32,960 --> 01:05:36,360
Speaker 1: You know, I do not, you know, believe although at

1039
01:05:36,360 --> 01:05:39,880
Speaker 1: this point ICE feels in its current form, DHS and

1040
01:05:39,920 --> 01:05:44,280
Speaker 1: ICE feel you know, they may feel irredeemable to you,

1041
01:05:44,440 --> 01:05:47,680
Speaker 1: but I would look, the FBI has been irredeemable at times,

1042
01:05:47,840 --> 01:05:52,600
Speaker 1: and then fix CIA same thing. So you know, to me,

1043
01:05:52,680 --> 01:05:56,000
Speaker 1: it's not institutions that fail, it's the people in charge

1044
01:05:56,000 --> 01:06:02,720
Speaker 1: of them that make them fail. But yeah, I mean,

1045
01:06:02,760 --> 01:06:07,880
Speaker 1: you know, there's no I do think that. I I

1046
01:06:09,080 --> 01:06:11,560
Speaker 1: want to align myself with what Robert George said, like

1047
01:06:11,600 --> 01:06:15,200
Speaker 1: I said, a long time conservative columnist, and you know,

1048
01:06:15,840 --> 01:06:18,960
Speaker 1: just sort of I guess more of your old fashioned

1049
01:06:18,960 --> 01:06:23,040
Speaker 1: free market conservative right and very much limited government conservative

1050
01:06:24,640 --> 01:06:27,240
Speaker 1: who says, look the the You know that this was

1051
01:06:27,280 --> 01:06:32,680
Speaker 1: the mistake not investigating, not not acceding to a full

1052
01:06:32,840 --> 01:06:35,800
Speaker 1: investigation of what happened to Rene Good because what the

1053
01:06:36,320 --> 01:06:38,960
Speaker 1: un and maybe this was an intended message, so I

1054
01:06:39,000 --> 01:06:41,200
Speaker 1: don't want to say, but the message it's sent to

1055
01:06:41,400 --> 01:06:44,240
Speaker 1: ICE agents was you're not going to be held accountable.

1056
01:06:45,560 --> 01:06:49,480
Speaker 2: Don't worry. And the same message was sent to protesters.

1057
01:06:49,560 --> 01:06:52,440
Speaker 1: These guys are not going to be held So, you know,

1058
01:06:55,120 --> 01:06:57,040
Speaker 1: I have a feeling, you know here, here's here's a

1059
01:06:57,160 --> 01:06:59,000
Speaker 1: question that I'm going to be curious about. Are we

1060
01:06:59,040 --> 01:07:03,120
Speaker 1: going to see a surge in people that have never

1061
01:07:05,680 --> 01:07:09,360
Speaker 1: registered by a gun before suddenly registered by a gun

1062
01:07:09,920 --> 01:07:17,560
Speaker 1: because they're fearful of their own government. Next question comes

1063
01:07:17,560 --> 01:07:20,000
Speaker 1: from David in Highland Park, Illinois. Right, hey, Chuck, really

1064
01:07:20,000 --> 01:07:22,040
Speaker 1: appreciate your voice during moments like these. It's been a

1065
01:07:22,200 --> 01:07:24,439
Speaker 1: port in the storm. Thank you for saying that someone

1066
01:07:24,440 --> 01:07:28,240
Speaker 1: who's family fled pilgrims in the villages south of Kiev.

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Speaker 1: I now find myself wondering how naive is I to

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Speaker 1: believe it can't happen here? Yeah, I know you and

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Speaker 1: me both, brother. The ICE killings have shaken that belief,

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Speaker 1: and I worry we're nearing a tipping point historically and

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Speaker 1: socially with so much at stake for so many of us.

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Speaker 1: How do we navigate this moment without descending into unrest

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Speaker 1: or unraveling what's left to the American experiment? Well, look,

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Speaker 1: this is I tried to end with that sort of

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Speaker 1: like what needs to happen? Right, everybody needs to do

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Speaker 1: their part. Some of their part is simply voting. Some

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Speaker 1: of their part is simply protesting. Some of their hard

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Speaker 1: is calling your member of Congress, calling your senator. You know,

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Speaker 1: I teach a class called how Washington Works, and it's

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Speaker 1: I got thirty eight students this semester, so it's the

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Speaker 1: largest class I've taught. And about half of them have

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Speaker 1: internships on Capitol Hill. And all of them said that

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Speaker 1: they're phones, whether they're answering phones for Democrat or somebody

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Speaker 1: else Republican. They've all been flooded about complaints about Ice

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Speaker 1: and the behavior of Ice, et cetera.

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Speaker 2: You know that.

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Speaker 1: It it is. It's all of these things, right. It's

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Speaker 1: protesting in the streets, it's calling your member of Congress,

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Speaker 1: it's voting for some of you, maybe running for office

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Speaker 1: for some of you. May be donating money for some

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Speaker 1: of you, may whatever it is, But I will say

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Speaker 1: this the real the most effective actions are going to

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Speaker 1: come from Republicans who who believe who may believe in

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Speaker 1: and their conservative politics, who realize that Donald Trump is

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Speaker 1: destroying the conservative movement. And you know if just just

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Speaker 1: through cynical political lens here you're going to get You're

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Speaker 1: not to my conservative friends who are uncomfortable with what

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Speaker 1: Trump's doing but are afraid of speaking out. Take your

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Speaker 1: party back. You can't hope the liberals do it for you.

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Speaker 1: They're not going to do it for you. You can't

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Speaker 1: help people like me and the media. We can only

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Speaker 1: tell you what's happening. We can tell you how this works.

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Speaker 1: Fight for the conservative movement. Stand up, say something. This

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Speaker 1: is my friend Jack Danforth, who I had in this

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Speaker 1: podcast a few weeks ago. Is this who we are?

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Speaker 1: Is this who you want to be? Do you want

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Speaker 1: to align yourself with a movement that celebrates the brown Shirts?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 1: So you got to You got to use all your tech,

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Speaker 1: all your build all your rights, your constitutional rights. But

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01:10:10,800 --> 01:10:14,479
Speaker 1: just raining at homemade isn't enough. Right, everybody's got to

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Speaker 1: do their part. You know, my job as a journalist

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Speaker 1: that has I you know, has has has some opportunity

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Speaker 1: to just simply try to help other colleagues of mine.

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Speaker 1: Say what you see, don't round the edges, say what

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Speaker 1: you see. Report what they're saying. Okay, but be careful

1117
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Speaker 1: how you report what they're saying. Say what you see.

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Speaker 1: They claim they're seeing something else. We can't verify what

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Speaker 1: they're seeing. There is no facts to back up what

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Speaker 1: they've seen. That's the part I feel like I can play.

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Speaker 1: Everybody's got to speak up.

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Speaker 2: It is okay.

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Speaker 1: And if you're a conservative and you don't like what

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Speaker 1: you're seeing, speaking up doesn't mean you've become a Kamala

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Speaker 1: Harris supporter, and and and and I and if you

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Speaker 1: are good for you, that's democracy. That's that's the American way.

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Speaker 1: But you don't have to you don't. You don't even

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Speaker 1: have to regret your vote. You can simply say I

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Speaker 1: didn't think Donald Trump was going to behave this way.

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Speaker 1: I thought he was going to behave like Trump one point. Oh,

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Speaker 1: you don't have to stay I understand, right, It's it's

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Speaker 1: human nature to stick to your guns as long as

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Speaker 1: you can.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: And you've seen these interviews and people are going, wow,

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Speaker 1: I wanted them to get rid of these undocumented immigrants.

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Speaker 1: But but man, I like this guy who runs the

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Speaker 1: restaurant down your here. He's a wonderful member of this community.

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Speaker 1: I didn't that he wasn't who I was thinking of.

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Speaker 2: Right. The point is is that.

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Speaker 1: It's okay to say I thought I was getting something

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Speaker 1: else and I don't like what I'm getting. If enough

1143
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Speaker 1: of folks on the right don't stand up and do that,

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Speaker 1: you're going to lose the entire conservative movement for a generation.

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Speaker 1: And maybe it's earned. I mean, this decision to go

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Speaker 1: down this Donald Trump lane has totally Anybody who is

1147
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Speaker 1: trying to claim what Trump is doing as conservative literally

1148
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Speaker 1: doesn't know the definition of conservative. I don't think there's

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Speaker 1: a single thing he's done that meets the definition of conservative. However,

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Speaker 1: whatever definition you want to come up with, he's nowhere

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Speaker 1: near it. So look, I think I think that that you, David,

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Speaker 1: can can tell people. Hey, I I let me tell

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Speaker 1: you what happens overseas. Let me tell you what I

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Speaker 1: thought America was. Please don't let America become what I

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Speaker 1: just had to deal with with the Russians. Right, So, David,

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Speaker 1: your stories are important to share. So share your stories

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Speaker 1: with fellow Americans. So they can understand and let them

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Speaker 1: know why you came here and why you're why you're

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Speaker 1: wondering what is this place now? But the point is

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Speaker 1: silence new.

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Speaker 2: Sort of.

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Speaker 1: Acquiescence, you know whatever. I think, you know, I think

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Speaker 1: Trump eventually assumes he'll wear people down. That's the other thing.

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Speaker 1: Don't don't get discouraged. And this is what I've tried

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Speaker 1: to be very careful here. I don't want to just

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Speaker 1: coourage people that the system is broken and it's unfixable.

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Speaker 1: Human beings, we can we can restore. We can do this.

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Speaker 1: We recovered from a civil war. We've done a lot.

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Speaker 1: We're we're capable of a lot. We just have to

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Speaker 1: put our we have to put our minds to it.

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Speaker 1: And it is time to eradicate this country of this virus,

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Speaker 1: of this of this virus that is running through a

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Speaker 1: small portion of the country that is now empowered some

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Speaker 1: radical folks. And we've all got to do our part.

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Speaker 1: And and the more we can do it within the

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Speaker 1: framework of the constitution, the better off will be in

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Speaker 1: the future. I understand people questioning whether any of this

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Speaker 1: is going to matter, But in the overly quoted words,

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Speaker 1: I think it's ben Franklin. But we can all decide

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Speaker 1: if it's somebody else that's at it, it's a republic.

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Speaker 1: If we can keep it, let's try to keep it

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Speaker 1: because we have forces that are trying to lose it.

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Speaker 1: I'll see you in forty eight hours.