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Speaker 1: Hello professional homegirls, ish girl Ebinez here and I hope

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Speaker 1: all is cute. Now. In this rewind episode, I sat

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Speaker 1: down with a retired escort who kept it all the

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Speaker 1: way real and y'all know I love that energy and

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Speaker 1: raw as we dove deep into the sex work industry. Now,

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Speaker 1: she opened up about her several years as an escort

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Speaker 1: and how she got started, broke down the levels of

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Speaker 1: the whole archery, and she shared the main reason she

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Speaker 1: decided to walk away. But it didn't just stopped there.

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Speaker 1: She also got real candid about the challenges she faced

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Speaker 1: from navigating stigma to dealing with clients and how the

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Speaker 1: experience shaped her perspective on relationships, boundaries, and self worth. Now,

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Speaker 1: trust me, this throwback episode is just as good now

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Speaker 1: as it was back then. So get ready because I

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Speaker 1: am a retired escort. Starts now. So what is a

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Speaker 1: sex worker? So? Sex worker is a umbrella term that

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Speaker 1: is used and that basically means that people who are

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Speaker 1: sexual favors or services, can be considered to be a

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Speaker 1: sex worker. So not everybody in the sex industry does

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Speaker 1: is just a case by case person. Okay, So I

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Speaker 1: know that there is a lot of different categories under

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Speaker 1: the umbrella of being a sex worker. Yes, so some

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Speaker 1: of those categories can be things like full service sex worker,

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Speaker 1: escort BDSM, shipping, or less porn webcamming, prostitution, prostitution. Prostitution

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Speaker 1: is a legal term that most people do not use.

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Speaker 1: So prostitution is like one of those legal terms, yes, constitution, Yes,

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Speaker 1: like legally it's prostitution. But you will hear, you'll rarely

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Speaker 1: hear somebody in the sex industries call themselves a prostitute. Oh,

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Speaker 1: I'm knowing the podcasts. Why do you think there's so

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Speaker 1: much like negative connotation around this industry? I the best

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Speaker 1: reason I've come up so far with is that America

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Speaker 1: especially when you talk about like people of color engaging

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Speaker 1: They equate like sexuality with value. Some states, Uh, it's

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Speaker 1: partectarly Red states seem to think that like if you

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Speaker 1: its stickiness, which is not at all true. That's not

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Speaker 1: how your parent works. So I think there's just a

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Speaker 1: who is doing it, who is benefiting from it. There's

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Speaker 1: a lot of racially motivated misinformation. And I also think

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Speaker 1: because it's so criminalized, people can't share their experiences, whether

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Speaker 1: it's survival work, so they're doing it for a place

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Speaker 1: you either see the really glamorous side of sex work

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Speaker 1: not being able to make their own choice aside, you

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Speaker 1: don't ever really think that in between or like a

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Speaker 1: means of survival at that. Yes, one thing that we

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Speaker 1: like a animosity. Yeah, parts of it is a stigma.

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Speaker 1: They feel like I'm not that girl. I'm not having

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Speaker 1: think it's also about criminalization. The more you get into

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Speaker 1: that's the word. I heard. Ahrarchy'act what it is? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that is a transactional relationship no matter how you cut it.

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Speaker 1: So me just being whaim, I was just diving into

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Speaker 1: you know, but then and everything else, what does the

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Speaker 1: But also what people fail to realize is that regardless

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Speaker 1: I think we have to treat everybody with respect regardless

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Speaker 1: I don't do the whole lingerie because I've had one

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Speaker 1: But basically there's different So when you're an escort, you

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of I don't even like my ship.

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Speaker 1: I don't think I can do somebody else. I've been

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Speaker 1: I heard about it. Yeah, somebody say that if you've

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Speaker 1: So I've had that. I've had people who have foot

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Speaker 1: But if I'm willing to go Fullnald, yeah I can

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00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:48,080
Speaker 1: make three g's no problem. Damn. So a month was

430
00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:51,080
Speaker 1: the like twelve thousand, it could have between twelve fifteen thousand. Yeah,

431
00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:53,520
Speaker 1: But I don't think I've ever pushed that hard, like

432
00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:56,480
Speaker 1: once I get a certain amount of money, so that

433
00:22:56,560 --> 00:23:03,200
Speaker 1: I had rules right when we were rule yeah, will

434
00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:06,680
Speaker 1: always get you locked, no problem. So I don't ever

435
00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:09,240
Speaker 1: try to over push my boundaries. Like if I've seen

436
00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:10,720
Speaker 1: a couple of people and I'm good for the week,

437
00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:13,600
Speaker 1: I ain't gonna push my luck and keep doing it.

438
00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:15,159
Speaker 1: Because every time you go out there's a gamble. You

439
00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:17,080
Speaker 1: don't know who you mean up with. It could be

440
00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:19,040
Speaker 1: next time you get locked, can be violence. You don't

441
00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:21,399
Speaker 1: know what's gonna happen. So I never used to like

442
00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:24,000
Speaker 1: go full thought and just hold the whole week. I

443
00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:25,920
Speaker 1: don't we don't do that. I take what I hear

444
00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:29,840
Speaker 1: and cold the day. Everybody else can have that, and

445
00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:32,119
Speaker 1: that was just me and that I've always been like that,

446
00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:34,679
Speaker 1: regardless of what it was, whether it was legal or not.

447
00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:37,320
Speaker 1: I'm just not that type of person to be like,

448
00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:40,440
Speaker 1: not I will all your ship. Not that's you get

449
00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:43,080
Speaker 1: caught up, so you gotta take in the strides. And

450
00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:48,440
Speaker 1: all money ain't good. Money don't work when you're time, Like, yeah,

451
00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:52,440
Speaker 1: that's it you're gonna apply to right now, Yeah, that's right.

452
00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:55,640
Speaker 1: And it's just it's just for me, Like I think

453
00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:58,639
Speaker 1: because I've been exposed to a lot of different types

454
00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:02,760
Speaker 1: of work environment and me being a black person, I've

455
00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:06,760
Speaker 1: always recognized that regardless of what I do, I'm still

456
00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:10,080
Speaker 1: spiritual being at the center of it. So like my spirit,

457
00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:13,080
Speaker 1: like me being able to give myself to the world

458
00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:15,119
Speaker 1: and need to give myself to my kids, like I

459
00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:18,160
Speaker 1: have to be mindful that my energy, my spirit, my vibes.

460
00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:21,520
Speaker 1: You got to really keep yourself together. And so when

461
00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:23,560
Speaker 1: you're doing this work, I am a different person while

462
00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:25,480
Speaker 1: I'm doing this work. I'm not the same person who's

463
00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:29,000
Speaker 1: gonna walk out your apartment, I promise you. And once

464
00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:31,560
Speaker 1: I leave your apartment, I no longer think about you.

465
00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:34,200
Speaker 1: You're not a thing, right, So it's a job, right job,

466
00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:36,720
Speaker 1: and so I got to be mindful. But you walking

467
00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:39,879
Speaker 1: in when you're having sex with people, you inviting the

468
00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:43,359
Speaker 1: energies into you. When you and somebody inviting their energies

469
00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:46,320
Speaker 1: into you, when you're dealing with certain people, you inviting

470
00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:49,439
Speaker 1: the energies into you. So I'm not I'm not the

471
00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:51,760
Speaker 1: type of person that just take take, take, because at

472
00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:53,240
Speaker 1: the end of the day then I don't got nothing to give.

473
00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:57,119
Speaker 1: What were some of the challenges you face while working?

474
00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:03,080
Speaker 1: People are very racist? Yeah, I know one thing I

475
00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:06,240
Speaker 1: saw I saw on a page and you said something

476
00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:09,199
Speaker 1: about like if you was like to gain weight or something,

477
00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:13,520
Speaker 1: the guy might make a comment. They definitely do that.

478
00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:16,600
Speaker 1: They I told you, they review you. So if I

479
00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:19,080
Speaker 1: gain weight, they definitely gonna say something. I have stretch

480
00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:21,159
Speaker 1: marks obviously, and people always be like, oh, you need

481
00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:23,320
Speaker 1: to do something about that. Or they don't like my

482
00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:25,199
Speaker 1: hair curly, they want it straight, or they don't want

483
00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:27,080
Speaker 1: me to wear makeup, or they want me to wear makeup,

484
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:29,399
Speaker 1: or why your nail's not done, or why your nails

485
00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:33,040
Speaker 1: this color. It's very critical of your being. So you

486
00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:35,840
Speaker 1: have to because I have a thick skin. I don't

487
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:38,960
Speaker 1: give a fuck what There's some people who really would

488
00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:40,919
Speaker 1: take it to the extreme and really try to like

489
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:45,320
Speaker 1: there's people who really go to like go get modifications

490
00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:47,399
Speaker 1: to the body just to be able to make more money.

491
00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:50,360
Speaker 1: And for me, I don't ever think it's that important.

492
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:52,840
Speaker 1: I'm not changing how I look for you because there's

493
00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:54,520
Speaker 1: somebody out in the world who's gonna want me for

494
00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:58,560
Speaker 1: me for free. So and I read somewhere else that

495
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:01,200
Speaker 1: the sex end iss it is just so big because

496
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:03,879
Speaker 1: there's room out there for everybody. So I don't really

497
00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:05,400
Speaker 1: I don't really give a fuck about what people say.

498
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:07,639
Speaker 1: But I didn't notice when I start to gain weight

499
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:09,719
Speaker 1: or if I started to like if I had like

500
00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:11,840
Speaker 1: there'd be days where I wouldn't make no bread because

501
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:15,399
Speaker 1: they didn't like the way my pictures look. It's people

502
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:20,359
Speaker 1: who might not like how my pictures look or didn't

503
00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:23,080
Speaker 1: like Well, this was later I had tattoos later o

504
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:25,320
Speaker 1: who didn't like my tattoos. That was also another thing

505
00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:27,000
Speaker 1: that made me stop doing the industry, because I have

506
00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:30,240
Speaker 1: my kids' names on me, so like, I don't I

507
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:32,919
Speaker 1: don't want you to know nothing about me or my

508
00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:35,120
Speaker 1: real life or anything like that. I had somebody who

509
00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:39,800
Speaker 1: broad ass daylight running down the block screaming my name,

510
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:43,160
Speaker 1: and I'm like, brush up, you see the sun is out.

511
00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:45,560
Speaker 1: Don't fucking call me when the sun is out. Don't

512
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:47,760
Speaker 1: don't even look at me when the sun is out.

513
00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:50,280
Speaker 1: You don't know who I am. So wait, would you

514
00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:52,400
Speaker 1: only work at night? I only used to work at night,

515
00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:54,080
Speaker 1: and for the most part, like I might see one

516
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:56,439
Speaker 1: or two on clients in the day, but for the

517
00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:59,960
Speaker 1: most part, I'm not giving up my day for you, right.

518
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:03,040
Speaker 1: So it's like, so I'm walking down the block and

519
00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:04,800
Speaker 1: he called me, and I heard him call me, but

520
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:07,600
Speaker 1: I kept it pushing, Like do you know that's a rule.

521
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:10,520
Speaker 1: If I keep it pushing, don't call me. Respect the

522
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:14,160
Speaker 1: curl call me and he's running me down and I'm

523
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:16,720
Speaker 1: just like, bro, and he's like, I know you heard

524
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:20,960
Speaker 1: me calling you. I did, and I fucking annored you don't.

525
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:24,440
Speaker 1: And so that was also played a part into my clients,

526
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:26,439
Speaker 1: because like he was a real young client like me

527
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:28,080
Speaker 1: and him was probably the same age. You just ain't

528
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:30,919
Speaker 1: know it. So it's just like this is why I

529
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 1: can't fuck with y'all. Y'all get emotionally attached, not fuck that, like,

530
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 1: you know, I had to be really mindful of who

531
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 1: I was dealing with and the mindset they was dealing with,

532
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:40,240
Speaker 1: because like this nigga running me down, and there's other

533
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:42,320
Speaker 1: clients that I've been seen in the supermarkets and then

534
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:47,520
Speaker 1: seeing like we just keep a pushing, right, but you

535
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:49,480
Speaker 1: running me down in the middle of the street by

536
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:53,520
Speaker 1: the name that nobody else knows me by. Bye. Have

537
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:56,399
Speaker 1: there ever been a time where you were scared something

538
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 1: happening to you? Uh, not scared of something happening to me,

539
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 1: But I have had people like who would take condoms off,

540
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:05,960
Speaker 1: and I'm like, you know what, now I'm gonna have

541
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:10,919
Speaker 1: to I'm now gonna have to kill you cauzide this,

542
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:12,479
Speaker 1: and I can't be fucking around with you and come

543
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:14,400
Speaker 1: back with something that's not that's not a cute. Look

544
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:17,119
Speaker 1: y'all be in the middle of having sex and he

545
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:19,040
Speaker 1: he wouldn't just notice that. Yeah, So what they would

546
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 1: do it's called she thing mm hmm. So they push

547
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:24,640
Speaker 1: the condom up into you or they take the condom off,

548
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:28,880
Speaker 1: you know. So I've only had one incidence where that happened,

549
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 1: and bro, and I tell you, mm hmm, yeah, you all,

550
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:38,920
Speaker 1: everything you got in this crib is mine. Wow. So

551
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:41,880
Speaker 1: but at that time, I've had drivers. My drivers already

552
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 1: knew it was up. Like if I go up there

553
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 1: and don't come down in thirty minutes or whatever the

554
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:47,320
Speaker 1: time is, you need to come up there and get me,

555
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:52,200
Speaker 1: don't even play. And then you had drivers. Yeah, I'm

556
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:55,520
Speaker 1: much rather be locked up than dead, So you gotta

557
00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:58,800
Speaker 1: call the cops. Call the cops. It just is what

558
00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 1: it is. Yeah, I had drivers just because like it

559
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:07,320
Speaker 1: made it easier for me to get to my calls.

560
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 1: They was getting read off each call, so they didn't

561
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:11,720
Speaker 1: really care sitting in the car with me all night.

562
00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:14,240
Speaker 1: And then also at least somebody know where the fuck

563
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 1: I'm at. Yeah. But also like as I transitioned out

564
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:22,120
Speaker 1: and started doing more advocacy work and stuff like that,

565
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:25,560
Speaker 1: I learned that, like if I call somebody and tell

566
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:28,320
Speaker 1: them I'm at this location, they can charge with being

567
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:31,520
Speaker 1: They can be charged with my trafficker just because they

568
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 1: know where I'm at and they didn't say nothing, right,

569
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:35,280
Speaker 1: So they play a part in it too. Yeah, So

570
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:40,120
Speaker 1: you know, it's the ways of keeping communities isolated. And

571
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:42,320
Speaker 1: that's why I say it's so dangerous because like we

572
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 1: can't even communicate with each other, you know. And now

573
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 1: there's like even more laws like SUSA foster that is

574
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 1: like going after platforms, so things like Venmo and PayPal,

575
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 1: uh wow, you know Microsoft, all of those things are

576
00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 1: now like banning and shutting down sex worker ways that

577
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,760
Speaker 1: sex workers keep each other safe. And it's not a

578
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 1: good look. So you know, that's just that's the criminalized

579
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 1: side of it. Like even those who are most privileged,

580
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:13,560
Speaker 1: privileged might not be able to use certain some of

581
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 1: their platforms just because of the new laws and stuff

582
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 1: like that. So was there every time that you was

583
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 1: catching phillips for one of your clients. Not at all.

584
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:25,120
Speaker 1: I hate every last one of my clients. There was

585
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 1: only one person that I swear I had the best

586
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 1: time with, and that's because all he wanted to do

587
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:31,880
Speaker 1: was give me a massage. And it wasn't even like

588
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:34,760
Speaker 1: a bad massage. He gave me the best massage and

589
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 1: paid me and set me on my way. I was shocked,

590
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:41,240
Speaker 1: I was being boozled. I have never had an experience

591
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 1: where you paid me, you were on time, and you

592
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 1: actually know how to give me a massage. There's people

593
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 1: who always want to give me massages, but they fucking hurt.

594
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:52,240
Speaker 1: You actually gave me a real ass massage with motion

595
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:55,720
Speaker 1: and oil and I went. I came out smelling delicious,

596
00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:57,960
Speaker 1: like I just left the spot and you paid me

597
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 1: my full rate, like work the dream come true. Like

598
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 1: I don't I swear if I knew that, I mean

599
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 1: it's address, I might go pull up one HM today like, Yo,

600
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 1: you don't even got to say me, just give me

601
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:14,520
Speaker 1: a sign like that's probably pretty much to it. But

602
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 1: everybody else, I really genuinely, from the bottom of my

603
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 1: heart hate them because you know, when you're doing this,

604
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 1: it's like almost like being a therapist. Mm hmm. These

605
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 1: clients will tell you the most disgusting, most like vile

606
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:32,640
Speaker 1: things that they think about women or think about themselves.

607
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:34,959
Speaker 1: And I'm just like, y'all are really ain't ship Like

608
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 1: y'all really really like I just it made me. It

609
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:43,240
Speaker 1: made me a different person to my relationships and people

610
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 1: like it made me peep game like oh you really trash,

611
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:49,479
Speaker 1: Like you really trash, because I've met people like you,

612
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:53,320
Speaker 1: you really real life trash. So like I've never caught

613
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:55,680
Speaker 1: feelings for none of my clients. I don't most of

614
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 1: the clients that I had wasn't about that life like

615
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 1: y'all sex greams, trash suck. Yeah, Like so it's just

616
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 1: like it was. I feel like the only thing, the

617
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 1: only time thing I regret is that, like people don't

618
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 1: do not live long enough to have trash sex. I

619
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 1: have wasted. Oh I have wasted so much time having

620
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:26,720
Speaker 1: trash ass sex. Do you miss it though? Like miss

621
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:29,720
Speaker 1: just working in the industry. I don't miss the industry

622
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:31,960
Speaker 1: part of it. I missed the money, like I would

623
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:35,280
Speaker 1: if I get getting paid what I made in the

624
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:39,120
Speaker 1: industry doing anything else. Oh yeah, I don't do anything else.

625
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 1: But I mean, like the other part of it is,

626
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:43,480
Speaker 1: I don't gotta look over my shoulder no more. I

627
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 1: don't gotta worry about crazy ass people coming up in

628
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 1: front of my house or calling me in the middle

629
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 1: of the goddamn day, or you know. Like clients really

630
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:52,360
Speaker 1: do feel mad and titled to them because they don't

631
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 1: see that line it's not work for them. Yeah, they

632
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 1: don't see that line, so they think that they just

633
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:00,200
Speaker 1: entitled to your time and your energy. Like, no, bro,

634
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 1: once I leave here, this is it this is no.

635
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 1: You never never hear from me again. Don't call me

636
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 1: asking me how I feel. I don't give a fuck

637
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:12,479
Speaker 1: sound I'm pretty sure everybody wants to know. Because you've

638
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:16,480
Speaker 1: been doing this for what seven seven eight year? What

639
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 1: made you stop having a family, I mean not having

640
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 1: a family, but like being involved with somebody where Like

641
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 1: he was like, this is a dube. You ain't doing

642
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Speaker 1: this some more so, I was like, are you about

643
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 1: to pay bills? Huh? You about to pay bills? You're

644
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:33,080
Speaker 1: about to do the poor family? And he was like, yeah,

645
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 1: you'd be out and you out, and I was out

646
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 1: because like I felt like it was. It was never

647
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 1: for me. I don't know about the people, and I

648
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 1: can't speak for other people, but this type of industry

649
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:50,360
Speaker 1: I don't think you can do forever. And I think

650
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 1: that the people who do do it forever. It's like

651
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 1: somebody who made totally different choices in their lifetime. But

652
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 1: I don't want to do this forever. Like I have calling.

653
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 1: I know what my calling is and I know that

654
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 1: like this is part of it. There's my experiences here

655
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 1: would definitely be a part of it, but it's not

656
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:11,839
Speaker 1: for everything. Like you know, I have shit to do.

657
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:16,399
Speaker 1: But if people, if the world made much easier, people

658
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 1: would not do the sex industry as often as they do.

659
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:22,280
Speaker 1: If you made fucking college free or affordable, or housing

660
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 1: free or affordable, if you made you just made affordable,

661
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:31,240
Speaker 1: we would not have to worry about so much trafficking

662
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:33,760
Speaker 1: and so much violence and so much harm because people

663
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 1: would be able to get the things that they fucking

664
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 1: need to live, and you wouldn't have to worry about

665
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:41,640
Speaker 1: making these daily choices. And the people who truly choose

666
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 1: to do this work can do it in a way

667
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:46,480
Speaker 1: that makes sense for them. But because that's not the

668
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 1: society be living, you're only going to see it in flux.

669
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:51,480
Speaker 1: You're only going to see it going up, regardless of

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00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:53,880
Speaker 1: what kind of laws and bills that people put in place.

671
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 1: That shit don't mean nothing to nobody. When you have

672
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:58,720
Speaker 1: rent to pay, or mouths to feed or places to stay,

673
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 1: that should don't mean nothing. And our body right. So, last,

674
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:05,480
Speaker 1: but not least, what's some advice you would give to

675
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 1: our listeners who might be interested in working in the

676
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 1: sex industry. Be working in the sex industry. They might

677
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:18,400
Speaker 1: want to be a sex worker because that's just But

678
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 1: if you are a client of a sex worker, pay

679
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 1: your sex workers, your sex workers. That's likes that listen

680
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:30,400
Speaker 1: to the show. Get tested, right, really, And also just

681
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:32,239
Speaker 1: because you come up with test results, don't mean I'm

682
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:33,799
Speaker 1: going to fuck you for free. Because that test result

683
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 1: is from three months ago. I heard they'd be doing it.

684
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 1: They'd be making the hostake too. It doesn't matter if

685
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:41,719
Speaker 1: you right now. If you go get tested and you

686
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 1: are negative for HIV, your test result today is negative

687
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 1: from three months ago. There's a window period, So unless

688
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 1: you haven't had sex in the last three months, I

689
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:56,560
Speaker 1: don't want to hear it about your negative result a right.

690
00:35:57,400 --> 00:35:59,319
Speaker 1: And also, HIV ain't the worst than you can get

691
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 1: out there, trust like well those worst HIV. HIV is

692
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 1: very manageable, very livable. People live full, healthy lives with HIV.

693
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:13,279
Speaker 1: They also can come become undetectable with medications HIV and

694
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:16,400
Speaker 1: she is undetectable and her fyance. You could take a

695
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,839
Speaker 1: hab and all together. That is not the worst thing

696
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:21,479
Speaker 1: you can get it. But let you get some fucking

697
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:24,040
Speaker 1: syphilis where it make you infertile, or get some dm

698
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 1: gnnerhe or you can't like your body is resistant to

699
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 1: the drugs and you gotta live with them symptoms that

700
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:33,480
Speaker 1: ship or even things that aren't sexually transmitted diseases like

701
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 1: bacterial ivaginosis from having sex or like condoms can suck

702
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 1: up your pH That ship is fucking worse. Like listen,

703
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:45,840
Speaker 1: HIV is definitely not the worst thing that you can get,

704
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:50,840
Speaker 1: and it's not HIV is a manageable, livable, you know,

705
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 1: infection that you get. But let you come up with

706
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 1: some gunnery that's untreated or syphilist or being gonna blind

707
00:36:56,920 --> 00:37:02,800
Speaker 1: because you don't have untreated whatever. Knowing, So one more question,

708
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:04,960
Speaker 1: do you think that things would have been different for

709
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:07,399
Speaker 1: any different for you growing up? Do you think things

710
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:13,759
Speaker 1: would have been different? Now, Yeah, I think I don't.

711
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:15,480
Speaker 1: I don't really know. I mean I think that if

712
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:16,799
Speaker 1: there was a lot of life, do you ever think

713
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 1: about it? I think that if I had the proper support,

714
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:24,719
Speaker 1: even like I've given like my life circumstances, if I

715
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 1: had the proper support as a young mom, I think

716
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:31,759
Speaker 1: definitely life would have been different. But you know where

717
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:35,360
Speaker 1: I come from, being a young mom is like is

718
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 1: like the worst thing that can happen to you. There

719
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:40,160
Speaker 1: was as all over the place that's talking about one

720
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:44,359
Speaker 1: in five teen moms babies don't graduate from high school, like, yeah,

721
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:47,399
Speaker 1: because you don't make it accessible to them. So it's

722
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 1: just like if I feel like, if I had the

723
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:54,880
Speaker 1: proper support around being able to earn a livable income

724
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:58,399
Speaker 1: with my children and go to school, yeah, I think

725
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 1: that life could have been different, or even just properly

726
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:04,840
Speaker 1: giving people sexual education, so I wouldn't have had three kids.

727
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:09,319
Speaker 1: But you just teach people not to get pregnant. That

728
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 1: also works without giving them all types of hormones and

729
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 1: stuff into their bodies. So I think that definitely made

730
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:20,400
Speaker 1: a difference in my life. But yeah, just big services, supportive,

731
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 1: make livable fucking income. Nobody should be living off it.

732
00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:26,960
Speaker 1: Even now today, fifteen thousand an hour doesn't do shit

733
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 1: for nobody where I live a goddamn thing, not with

734
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:35,240
Speaker 1: no four thousand dollars rent, three thousand dollars rent. Yeah, okay,

735
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 1: So I think that's the only thing that I can

736
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 1: see for changing. But in general, like, I just think

737
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 1: that a lot of things have been overlooked in my lifetime,

738
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:49,880
Speaker 1: and then when it got to the end, everybody like,

739
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 1: oh my god, I can't believe really, you can't fucking

740
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:59,719
Speaker 1: believe it. Neither can I are. So I think that. Yeah, So,

741
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:01,320
Speaker 1: I think the life lesson out of all this is

742
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:03,279
Speaker 1: there's nothing in the world floating out there about me

743
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 1: died and put out there intentionally. People ain't going to

744
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:08,759
Speaker 1: research shit about me died and put it out there essentionally.

745
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:12,400
Speaker 1: Everything out here that's too fine about me is known already.

746
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:13,879
Speaker 1: It's a known fact. And if you don't know, then

747
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 1: clearly you don't give a fuck about me because you

748
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:19,480
Speaker 1: would have known. So. Yeah, so, I just think that

749
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 1: if anything, things that I learned from the sex industry

750
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:26,240
Speaker 1: was to be comfortable and who I am that regardless

751
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:30,319
Speaker 1: of what I yeah, I'm comfortable. Who I am and

752
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:33,840
Speaker 1: everything I offer to this world is a value period.

753
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:35,840
Speaker 1: Whether it's my pussy or on my mouth, it doesn't

754
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:40,080
Speaker 1: matter my words. Whatever the fuck I produce in this

755
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:43,359
Speaker 1: world is a value in regardless of my skin color,

756
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 1: regardless of my background, regardless of what I do or

757
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:48,880
Speaker 1: how I earned it. It's a value. So, if I

758
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:50,840
Speaker 1: had to tell anybody who's in the sex industry, you

759
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:53,359
Speaker 1: still valuable. You deserve to live, You deserve to be

760
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:56,719
Speaker 1: loved and cared about, and deserve to be seen as human,

761
00:39:56,840 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 1: so fuck everybody else and Nope. If you have any

762
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:05,880
Speaker 1: questions for my guests, please email me at hello at

763
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:09,160
Speaker 1: the Professional Homegirl dot com. I would gladly for them

764
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:12,239
Speaker 1: to her. It will only be between us three and

765
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 1: I want to thank my guests. I think your story

766
00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:17,000
Speaker 1: was amazing. I'm pretty sure it's going to definitely inspire

767
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:23,080
Speaker 1: at least one of our listeners. And until next time,

768
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 1: guys later. The Professional Homegirl podcast is a production of

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00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:37,320
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