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Speaker 1: hello again, sports fans, and welcome to Talking Cowboys Break
Speaker 1: on a Monday morning. As we've got a makeshift crew
Speaker 1: in here today because a lot of people are still
Speaker 1: on the road. The road trip continues in Washington, DC
Speaker 1: today for Cowboys and Redskins and landover Maryland yesterday. And
Speaker 1: we've got a lot to talk about over the course
Speaker 1: of the next hour. Bill Jones with Okay, who should
Speaker 1: be introduced first in this crew? Okay, we're going Kurt Daniels, Absolutely,
Speaker 1: Chart Daniels. I gotta say this needs to be called
Speaker 1: the Hanging with the Cowboys Breaker. There you go, that's
Speaker 1: hang Try considering two the members are here, that's coming
Speaker 1: in with the Talking Cowboys Break. And we've got Brian
Speaker 1: brought us over there. Wow, you had a boat tie
Speaker 1: on today. Yeah, it's I'm running for government office. I'd
Speaker 1: appreciate your vote today. Early voting has begun. Voting, early voting,
Speaker 1: early voting often, I guess I appreciate little TV work today,
Speaker 1: Bill them and take a page out of your book
Speaker 1: well and filling in I guess for Mickey Spagnola, who's
Speaker 1: what the Cowboys doing his TV work today? Because you
Speaker 1: are a team player, right, I do my best? There,
Speaker 1: you go do my best. Man. We've gotten Nathaniel Newton
Speaker 1: in the house as well. Nate, how are you doing
Speaker 1: a great It's wrong, you'll have a boat tie. We
Speaker 1: worked with it every Sunday, so I'm gonna try. Yeah, man,
Speaker 1: I'm just laughing because you can't believe how that finished
Speaker 1: in last night. So what you're about to say? Laugh?
Speaker 1: You get your workout in this morning, No, sir, I
Speaker 1: had to take White to the airport at three thirty,
Speaker 1: so okay thirty, Yeah, you had to catch a five
Speaker 1: o'clock flight, one of them, so you know, I hope
Speaker 1: to get it in. All right, man, let's go, Bill,
Speaker 1: let's go, let's go. So you had Jeff Code in
Speaker 1: the house for the Pope game yesterday. Yeah, post, Yeah,
Speaker 1: did nice job. Did nice job, first time out of
Speaker 1: the box. So good to have him. Okay, okay, so
Speaker 1: now the elephant in the room. Yeah, what happened in
Speaker 1: Washington yesterday? All right, let's just start with a takeaway.
Speaker 1: Go around the horn here? What do you say? And
Speaker 1: go ahead? Round one one. Quickie little takeaway, They're just
Speaker 1: not the same team on the road. Yeah, and it's
Speaker 1: I guess it's execution and communication. They talked about that
Speaker 1: coming into this week. Zeke said some things about we
Speaker 1: gotta communicate better and didn't see much difference. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: got a couple of things I could say, but I'm
Speaker 1: I'll focus in on bad day in the office for
Speaker 1: the offensive line, and I don't want to. I think
Speaker 1: I'm gonna steal my man's thunder next to me though.
Speaker 1: But I think overall they did a really poor job
Speaker 1: of handling the Redskins front. You know, the power inside
Speaker 1: with with Pain and then also with Alan I think,
Speaker 1: and then you mix in what Kerrigan was able to
Speaker 1: do as a pass rusher. Smith. We talked about him.
Speaker 1: I know this is not one thing, but it's it's
Speaker 1: a culmination of things. If you think that Connor Williams
Speaker 1: played bad, you need to take a look at what
Speaker 1: happened with While Collins in this game too, And then
Speaker 1: also you need to take a look at what happened
Speaker 1: with Tyrant Smith. And then you also need to take
Speaker 1: a look at what happened to Joe Looney, and then
Speaker 1: that'll give you a little idea of why this team's
Speaker 1: inability to a run the ball, be protect their quarterback
Speaker 1: is a major factor in what these road woes are
Speaker 1: happening right now. And Nate, you have a smile on
Speaker 1: your face. At least a president made it out of life. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Meeting Zach Martin, Yeah he was. He wasn't as guilty
Speaker 1: as the others that were charged. For four or five weeks,
Speaker 1: all the president's men were charged. Yes, this was not
Speaker 1: a cover up. For four or five weeks, I've been
Speaker 1: saying that we are a decent team and uh, you
Speaker 1: know brought us in. Mickey challenged me with offensive line
Speaker 1: and I stn't know we should be able to function.
Speaker 1: Well yesterday they got off some nice passes, but in
Speaker 1: key moments everything brought us. Say it came true. Yeah
Speaker 1: everything offensive line, they need fixing, and they need fixing
Speaker 1: in a hurry. Yeah. This is something that you hang
Speaker 1: your hat on. This is something at all coming out
Speaker 1: of Oxnard. When we were standing there on the field
Speaker 1: and those beautiful days, we're thinking, okay, this is me
Speaker 1: the one thing that you can say we're gonna be
Speaker 1: okay here and it has been it has been a struggle.
Speaker 1: There's been times, like you said, in the last couple
Speaker 1: of minutes of that game, you got enough protection. Now
Speaker 1: there was some leakage and some things that Dak had
Speaker 1: to throw over the top of a little bit. But
Speaker 1: did they do anything different those less towards the end
Speaker 1: there to block up front? You know what they found
Speaker 1: these it's it's they when watching the tape of this
Speaker 1: game at three in the morning last night and it
Speaker 1: got in uh, the it was very clear that they
Speaker 1: that they were they were going to try their best,
Speaker 1: and they talked about communication and the Redskins plan was
Speaker 1: to try and force them to have to block twist stunts,
Speaker 1: to have to block guys on the move. They were
Speaker 1: going to test Tyrn Smith and and Connor Williams ability
Speaker 1: to handle stunts that way. And the Redskins felt like
Speaker 1: that they could rush four and be okay and then
Speaker 1: play and then and what happened is when they started
Speaker 1: just rushing four in Dallas and then they were picking
Speaker 1: up the twist stunts. At the end of the game,
Speaker 1: what did you see Prescott was running the ball. He
Speaker 1: was running to to you know, because there were there
Speaker 1: were things, there were a couple of times down the
Speaker 1: field late in that game where he could have made
Speaker 1: a you know, it had been a guts throw down
Speaker 1: the middle of the field to Blake Jarwin for a
Speaker 1: touchdowney Cole Beasley down the middle of the field went
Speaker 1: on on those runs, a couple of those runs. But
Speaker 1: overall though, they're inability to run the football, that's what
Speaker 1: they that's their identity, right, that's what kind of that's
Speaker 1: what gets them going. And and the fact that the
Speaker 1: that the guys I mentioned up front to front seven
Speaker 1: really for the Redskins. You know, they dominated the Cowboys
Speaker 1: in that area. There was really no even some of
Speaker 1: the staple plays that they try. And I'm sorry for
Speaker 1: going on and on here, guys, but I'm rolling it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm just going No, we have an hour show. But
Speaker 1: there's some of the staples that they have with their
Speaker 1: their ability to pull guys and to get guys in space,
Speaker 1: and the Redskins took that away. They took that away
Speaker 1: with forced play by the safety. The linebackers did a
Speaker 1: nice job that Redskins were square along that defensive front.
Speaker 1: This is something I wanted to ask you, guys, and
Speaker 1: maybe I'm diving off another topic. No, but did they
Speaker 1: I always felt for most of that game they were
Speaker 1: within one score, right, did they give up on the
Speaker 1: run too quick? I mean I think it was. No, No,
Speaker 1: it's it's a fair but it's he had fifteen carries
Speaker 1: and we talk about he needs to play touches. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was one of those things. And and my my
Speaker 1: halftime adjustments. Don't you look down? No, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 1: He gonna explain to you. But I'm gonna give you
Speaker 1: the bottom line right ahead. I don't want I feel
Speaker 1: like I'm the bottom line. Was preaching here, and I
Speaker 1: understand what you're saying. It comes to time in the
Speaker 1: game where you see, okay, you can see creases, but
Speaker 1: if you go back, you will see on first and
Speaker 1: second down when they tried to run the ball, there
Speaker 1: was nothing. Yeah, when when when you have nothing, it's
Speaker 1: not a give up. When you give up. You see
Speaker 1: a one yard game here, a three yard game here,
Speaker 1: a four yard game here. But when you when you're
Speaker 1: two inside guys are getting dominated the center and left guard,
Speaker 1: and they're pushing guys back in the lap and Karragan
Speaker 1: Smith and Karagan it's setting the edge. I mean they're
Speaker 1: to the point where they're getting up feel a yard
Speaker 1: where does Zeke go? Yeah, and then you got changing
Speaker 1: games and swearing. Dur was committed to trying to come
Speaker 1: down there and help as much as he could. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that was the thing to me. I'm not looking
Speaker 1: down my brother. I love you, man, but it's just
Speaker 1: I'm trying to go back in the game and see
Speaker 1: what you saw, my well, just because you always hear
Speaker 1: about you know, you wear them down five touches, they
Speaker 1: wore you down exactly. Okay, yeah they were at that
Speaker 1: point they're done. Well, that's yeah. Because and and it's
Speaker 1: it's funny because when when Lindsey Draper and I did
Speaker 1: our a little halftime minute, do we have one of
Speaker 1: the points I made and it just was really clear
Speaker 1: to me was that Dallas is going to have to
Speaker 1: throw the ball to win this game. They're gonna have
Speaker 1: to be able to throw. And you know, it came
Speaker 1: down to when they did have the opportunity to make
Speaker 1: some plays, they didn't make nearly enough. You know, there
Speaker 1: wasn't that, there was no consistency there. And when we did,
Speaker 1: you know, you talk about throwing, but you have to protect.
Speaker 1: And that was that was really on the offensive line yesterday.
Speaker 1: The inability to protect was was huge in that game
Speaker 1: because they did have some opportunities down the field, not
Speaker 1: just late, but they had some opportunities. Now. They had
Speaker 1: some drop balls, you know, and Hearns had to drop
Speaker 1: ball on a third and twelve I think there was
Speaker 1: or seven. Yea Thompson had to hit him right between
Speaker 1: the one and the five. You know, you can't. And
Speaker 1: they had some unfortunate breaks because Prescott, you know, at
Speaker 1: the end of the game, I think that things roll
Speaker 1: different for them. Maybe they go for the win. If
Speaker 1: on that opening on that first play of the of
Speaker 1: when they got the ball at one oh nine, if
Speaker 1: he hits Beasley on that inside or out and you
Speaker 1: might remember, I mean you go back to your play
Speaker 1: by play sheets, it's one o nine and the fourth
Speaker 1: Dallas gets the ball back after using after you know,
Speaker 1: stopping them using two timeouts, and now they're on the move.
Speaker 1: They're going to get this ball and Beasley is open
Speaker 1: on the slant, and I think Tony Romo actually pointed
Speaker 1: that out to everybody last night on the broadcast. But
Speaker 1: if he hits that and he's looking at Beasley instead,
Speaker 1: he tries to throw the ball inside to Dalton Schultz
Speaker 1: and then he gets tipped in the air by Pain.
Speaker 1: You know, but if he hits Beasley, maybe Dallas's attitude
Speaker 1: about going to win a football game changes right there,
Speaker 1: because Beasley he's gonna take the ball. Basically with the
Speaker 1: Dallas forty four and swearing your the safety's standing on
Speaker 1: the Washington forty when this happens. But you know, and
Speaker 1: I know, Bill, I want to Glizma, but being being
Speaker 1: your history of what has happened, especially with the Texans,
Speaker 1: isn't that you're isn't that your make up from this
Speaker 1: point on that we're going to win the game. Well,
Speaker 1: he tried to go for it on fourth down and
Speaker 1: one and swearings your mad to play that caused a fumble. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I'm saying, I mean, I give him credit for that.
Speaker 1: I'm saying, going forward, Oh, going forward, when when he
Speaker 1: got when the game got to fifty two seconds and
Speaker 1: you had the ball on their side of the field,
Speaker 1: I'm going for I'm gonna try and win this game.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna try and win this game. And I know
Speaker 1: if there's people out there and say I brought us,
Speaker 1: what if he got sacked. What if he had this
Speaker 1: way he had that. No, you really had Washington on
Speaker 1: their heels. You were getting protection, you were able to
Speaker 1: you know, Colby Fabian Moreau gets hurt on the on
Speaker 1: the great Beasley play on the sideline. Now they have
Speaker 1: no nickel corner to play Beasley. I'm wearing them out
Speaker 1: that way. I'm trying to make a couple place at
Speaker 1: least anything, I'm trying to get it a little closer.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to get a little closer for him to have. Okay,
Speaker 1: if you get closer, and if you have the five
Speaker 1: yard penalty. Okay, Now it's a thirty seven yard field goal,
Speaker 1: it's not a fifty two yard field goal. And let's
Speaker 1: let's take that sequence there, because with no no, this
Speaker 1: is this is exactly where we need to go. People.
Speaker 1: People are talking about that last minute. Yeah, and the
Speaker 1: offensive philosophy there, right, Okay, fifty two seconds left first
Speaker 1: and ten of the forty six. That was after the
Speaker 1: completion to Beasley, right, Okay, completion to Beasley for nine right,
Speaker 1: So now you got second and one and the clock's
Speaker 1: ticking away nine seconds, yacking away, all right, Then they
Speaker 1: had the completion to Beasley. That got reviewed and they
Speaker 1: wait to review it. They were about to clock it
Speaker 1: there right at twelve seconds is when they were clocking
Speaker 1: it kind of break and well, yeah, yeah, they were
Speaker 1: clocking it, and so it would have been third in
Speaker 1: one yeah, rather yeah, they did stop at the clock forum. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and they needed to look at that to make sure
Speaker 1: that Beasley had caught it. That was that was critical
Speaker 1: in that if he had not caught it, then the
Speaker 1: ball still back at the what the thirty seven yard
Speaker 1: line taking a fifty five yard field goal whatever. So anyway,
Speaker 1: so they had two minutes. It's inside of two minutes,
Speaker 1: so they officially gonna look at it exactly. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: had no choice there, but but they did stop it,
Speaker 1: and that stops the clock. Yes, so now and it's
Speaker 1: gonna restart when ready, okay at twelve seconds, But you
Speaker 1: have time at that point to figure out, Okay, what
Speaker 1: do we want to do? What's our strategy here with
Speaker 1: twelve seconds and we were in up going out, I mean,
Speaker 1: we was like, hey, let's try you're at the thirty
Speaker 1: one first and ten I was trying to win the
Speaker 1: game with fifty two seconds together. I was when Beasley
Speaker 1: went made the catch for nine yards. I'm thinking, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go win this thing now. I'm you know,
Speaker 1: you got a time out still in your pocket, and
Speaker 1: so do you clock it there at after that completion? Well,
Speaker 1: you're you're at you're at, Yeah, you're you're here. If
Speaker 1: you're second and one, you could you could have very
Speaker 1: well clocked in and say and then and then set
Speaker 1: up some other plays. I just you're third and one, yeah,
Speaker 1: third and one. See the issue that I have with that,
Speaker 1: You're at the thirty seven, which is a fifty five
Speaker 1: yard field goal, right. The issue I have with clock
Speaker 1: in it there is I'm not sure I'm in field
Speaker 1: goal range. You could have what if you burned your
Speaker 1: time out right there? And I don't want to burn
Speaker 1: the time out. I want to I want to keep
Speaker 1: that time out. How about your quarterback having to play
Speaker 1: in his pocket that he can call it? You just
Speaker 1: run to play? Yeah? Yeah see that? Yeah, Well That's
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. You went, They went, They ran a
Speaker 1: play first intended fifty two seconds, and then they ran
Speaker 1: the next play at thirty nine seconds? Understand? Am I
Speaker 1: right about that? Twenty eight twenty eight seconds? Okay? It
Speaker 1: was probably close top twenty eight. Okay, I was looking
Speaker 1: at the clocks. Yeah, I was looking at the clock
Speaker 1: on the on my on my play on the when
Speaker 1: I was watching the tape. But but let me tell
Speaker 1: you this though about that play, about the third, about
Speaker 1: the second and one played with Beasley across the middle.
Speaker 1: If he hits Beasley on the move instead of making
Speaker 1: Beasley have to adjust, that thing is going to go inside.
Speaker 1: Now you're really thinking about winning a football game. But
Speaker 1: Prescott's feet are so bad on the play and his
Speaker 1: fading to his left. If he could have stood in
Speaker 1: there and just thrown that football and hit Beasley on
Speaker 1: the move, and we saw it happen to Carolina, you know,
Speaker 1: we saw him. He had an opportunity to really make
Speaker 1: Washington pay, and you could have made it an easier
Speaker 1: field goal, or you could have probably gone for the
Speaker 1: win right there. For two and a half years, we
Speaker 1: have seen other teams come up in the same situation.
Speaker 1: We have seen for two and a half years in
Speaker 1: training camp, our coach go through these same scenarios y'all seen.
Speaker 1: If it would all this here, our quarterback should have
Speaker 1: been capable enough to handle that himself. Yeah, each step
Speaker 1: so all these scenarios, Dak should have been doing it
Speaker 1: and when it got fitted two seconds, they should have
Speaker 1: been going to the line, calling another play and running it.
Speaker 1: But is that Dak's failure? Is that the coaching staff
Speaker 1: telling him? That's the coaching staff fail you. So so
Speaker 1: how do you? I mean, that's been there there, but
Speaker 1: why they've done it for since Garrett's been here? Just
Speaker 1: but you know what I said it before I said
Speaker 1: it on our show. I said it was broadest I've
Speaker 1: said it everywhere I've been. It comes a point in
Speaker 1: a quarterback's career where you have to go to your
Speaker 1: coach and say, coach, I got it. Yeah, because if
Speaker 1: this is how it's gonna continue to be, we're being
Speaker 1: here many more. Mondays, We'll be here doing the same
Speaker 1: thing over and over. He firmed that the Skins on
Speaker 1: the wall yet to do that. Though, it don't matter
Speaker 1: what do you coach him for. I'm just coach. And
Speaker 1: when you look at that drive, Skins, when you when
Speaker 1: you look at that driving at fifty nine seconds, that
Speaker 1: third and ten play, the completion to Beasley for eighteen, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that got him down to the Washington forty six forty
Speaker 1: six the next snap was at fifty two seconds second
Speaker 1: seven seconds plus you had a time out, okay, and
Speaker 1: so he handled it well there right, okay, and they
Speaker 1: got the and they got the nine yard completion. Now
Speaker 1: where the time ticked off the clock was between It
Speaker 1: was between that play and the next play, the second
Speaker 1: and one play right where you're snapping at twenty eight seconds, right,
Speaker 1: So there was twenty four seconds it went off the clock. There. See,
Speaker 1: that's where I'm trying to either get the ball closer
Speaker 1: or I'm trying to win the game. I mean, you're
Speaker 1: really your option there was either be ready for a
Speaker 1: play like what Nate says, or do you clock it right?
Speaker 1: And so now you're third and one. Yeah, but but
Speaker 1: it's two down territory anyway. You know, if it's third
Speaker 1: and one, I mean you're still okay at third and one,
Speaker 1: you still have the ability to throw the football. Yeah,
Speaker 1: oh sure, yeah, and I fourth and one you're gonna
Speaker 1: run it or yeah you get rid of training camp, okay.
Speaker 1: So then so then you at twenty eight you snap
Speaker 1: it and you complete it to Beasley. And that was
Speaker 1: the reviewed play right well, six team SEC even if
Speaker 1: it wasn't reviewed to get in position to clock it.
Speaker 1: It was that play took sixteen seconds from twenty eight
Speaker 1: to twelve, which is which is sort of a product
Speaker 1: of having to use the middle of the field to
Speaker 1: to matriculate your way down the field. But again, he
Speaker 1: had the time out. Yeah, I mean, there's no reason
Speaker 1: for them not to. So now you're at twelve seconds, right, Okay,
Speaker 1: Now you've had a timeout because they're reviewing. Right, okay,
Speaker 1: Now you've got time to figure out what do you
Speaker 1: want to do. And they opted at that point to run.
Speaker 1: They said that they were in field goal range. Let's
Speaker 1: get in the exact position that the kicker wants to
Speaker 1: be in to kick the field goal. That's I mean,
Speaker 1: that was their thinking. Myself, I would have taken a
Speaker 1: shot with especially with a timeout, a shot to the
Speaker 1: end zone or ten yards down fields basically again, I
Speaker 1: mean again again, and as you alluded to earlier, that's
Speaker 1: the that's the problem when you look at this offensive
Speaker 1: line and that defensive line. But to that point, take
Speaker 1: a sack, But to that point you protected in the drive.
Speaker 1: We've lost two games for that same reason that we're
Speaker 1: sitting there discussing. Yeah, you're on the road. You gotta
Speaker 1: play to win. You can't. You can't foot if with
Speaker 1: the interception or if for the tip pass. You. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I wasn't worried about them getting in the end zone.
Speaker 1: I was worried about them getting ten more yards for
Speaker 1: a closer field goal. Yeah, and they just didn't see
Speaker 1: even if they got closer, and then you get the
Speaker 1: unbelievable penalty that they got called maybe okay, it's five
Speaker 1: yards back. Fine, he can make a forty yard field goal.
Speaker 1: You know, best case scenario, you get a touch. Now,
Speaker 1: that's what I was staying. Stay aggressive, That's what I
Speaker 1: was base case scenario. You stay aggressive. I'm telling you,
Speaker 1: we sit out there in training camp and we watch
Speaker 1: him stop. These guys old it that he walk over
Speaker 1: and he talked to him two minutes out of nowhere.
Speaker 1: Two minutes. You got a minute and ten seconds. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I got one time out. That's going down the field.
Speaker 1: So here's that. Do it try out here, particularly down
Speaker 1: the field we get in a live game, Yeah, and
Speaker 1: we lose anywhere from sixteen to thirty five seconds with
Speaker 1: no place call. That is not right. That's that is
Speaker 1: not right. I don't disagree with anything you've said there.
Speaker 1: That that to me is that you know you you manage.
Speaker 1: It reminds me so much of what happens when you know,
Speaker 1: with the games like with Green Bay last year, where
Speaker 1: you drive the ball eleven plays, you killed so many
Speaker 1: minutes off the clock, and then you get down the
Speaker 1: chance to finish the finish the drive. But what do
Speaker 1: you do? You mess around and you you had to
Speaker 1: kick a field goal and you give the ball, you know,
Speaker 1: you just you, it's everything. The execution is correct, and
Speaker 1: then you get to a certain point and then you
Speaker 1: take the two stupid pills with a cup of gatorade
Speaker 1: and they just seem happy to with the long field goal. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: and again the real I think that the reason that
Speaker 1: they played at conservative there is they don't trust the
Speaker 1: offensive line. I think in twenty sixteen with that offensive
Speaker 1: line there more aggressive in that he trusts the offensive
Speaker 1: line to go for it on fourth and one in
Speaker 1: his own end of the field. But you got, Bill,
Speaker 1: I understand what you're saying. But I'm not trying to
Speaker 1: bust on you. I'm just I'm just trying to the
Speaker 1: thing I can figure is the reason for the philosophy
Speaker 1: is but he had protection the whole I mean the
Speaker 1: last two series of the game, the one where Prescott
Speaker 1: went in, he was getting some protector. There was some
Speaker 1: leakage here and there, but they were making the score
Speaker 1: a touchdown. Yeah yeah, yeah, but that was on the
Speaker 1: quarterback too. If you go back and what you're dealing okay, well,
Speaker 1: whether it's the offensive line, I see, that's what they're
Speaker 1: dealing with with this offense. I see now they're they're
Speaker 1: in a bad mess right now because you have but
Speaker 1: as an offensive coordinator, as offensive coordinator, and you in
Speaker 1: this game and you struggling as offensive line, and you struggling,
Speaker 1: I understand that, but the game dictates that you stand
Speaker 1: up at this time and do your job right. And
Speaker 1: they were moving, they had them backed up. They was
Speaker 1: really you ask officive coordinator has to see that and
Speaker 1: continue to press on. Yeah you know, and I'll I'll
Speaker 1: keep going back to this. You cannot lose sixteen to
Speaker 1: thirty five seconds that I'm just standing there. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: can't people run three plays and that and that's on
Speaker 1: the quarterback or the coaching. That's on the coaching not
Speaker 1: believing in the quarterback. The line I'm believing, or the receivers.
Speaker 1: But the only chance you have to win. And then
Speaker 1: and I know if in the States, something obvious, the
Speaker 1: only chance you have to win is with your offense. Well,
Speaker 1: and that that's something. I played it perfectly, using your
Speaker 1: timeouts and stopping them. Matter of fact, Sean Lee made
Speaker 1: a hell of a play. Yes, you get the ball
Speaker 1: back and you're thinking, yeah, exactly, you're thinking, okay, okay,
Speaker 1: here they go. They you know it played out perfectly.
Speaker 1: I mean, Jake Gruden tried to give you the game.
Speaker 1: He tried, He tried to give you an opportunity. You
Speaker 1: didn't take it. You cannot tell me. And I don't
Speaker 1: take shots at Jason, but I can't stand to see
Speaker 1: you set up again and say how smart Dack is.
Speaker 1: How you believe in in this that the other? If
Speaker 1: you if you preaching what you believe in, you gotta
Speaker 1: believe when your back is against the wall at the
Speaker 1: highest moment, who do you turn the ball over too?
Speaker 1: Who do you turn the ball over to? Okay, let
Speaker 1: me let me just as an example, we'll say this
Speaker 1: was Aaron Rodgers against the Cowboys last year. Oh no,
Speaker 1: he threw the end zone twice, but he took over
Speaker 1: yea with a minute thirteen left, and just to give
Speaker 1: you an idea, you're about to compare this offense there
Speaker 1: going No, I'm just comparing drive and how much time
Speaker 1: is elapsed in between plays, okay, and I want to
Speaker 1: find out for myself. I had no idea what the
Speaker 1: answer is here? Yeah, so I just looked it up.
Speaker 1: Their drive started at the twenty five yard line. The
Speaker 1: minute thirteen left. He completed a fourteen yard pass to
Speaker 1: Davante Adams right. That took four seconds. Yeah, okay, they're
Speaker 1: at the thirty nine. Okay, I guess he got out
Speaker 1: of bounds. I'm not no, okay, fourteen yards to Martellis Bennett. Okay.
Speaker 1: The play started at one o nine. Their next play
Speaker 1: comes off at forty seven seconds, so it took thirteen
Speaker 1: plus night. It took twenty two seconds in between plays
Speaker 1: there for Rogers to get the next play, to get
Speaker 1: them lined up and take the next play because Martellis
Speaker 1: was I remember he was tackled in bounds right, all right,
Speaker 1: at forty seven incomplete pass, so only two seconds came off.
Speaker 1: He at forty five seconds, they handed off to Aaron Jones.
Speaker 1: He went for fifteen yards right and he got out
Speaker 1: of bounds, So that play only took six seconds. Yea.
Speaker 1: So now it's thirty nine seconds left, in complete pass
Speaker 1: thirty six gains left Aaron Jones left tackle for two
Speaker 1: yards and they call a time out after that. So
Speaker 1: now you're at twenty nine seconds field position. They're at
Speaker 1: the Dallas thirty. Now, okay, Rogers ran for eighteen yards
Speaker 1: at out of bounds and then got it in twenty
Speaker 1: one seconds left, and now he's throwing for the end
Speaker 1: zone incomplete to Davante Adams and then touchdown. But the
Speaker 1: point is on the play that got the past completion
Speaker 1: that was in bounds it And this is a the
Speaker 1: school of thoughts should be for any team. It basically
Speaker 1: takes twenty two seconds to get them to get lined
Speaker 1: up and run another play. That's why teams clock it
Speaker 1: when they are in that position. Yeah, I think Dallas
Speaker 1: is I'm gonna say this again, I appreciate the history
Speaker 1: Lesson by the way going. I just learned to see
Speaker 1: for myself how long I think Dallas's attitude about how
Speaker 1: they would have played this would have been different if
Speaker 1: at one o nine they would hit Beasley on the pass.
Speaker 1: I really do, and I put that on I put
Speaker 1: that on the I put that on the I put
Speaker 1: that on the quarterback there. Should it be different, though?
Speaker 1: Should it be different? Yeah, whether he hit him or not,
Speaker 1: should it be different? Should I think that? I think
Speaker 1: that once you know, to me, if you hit that play,
Speaker 1: it's a chunk play. And now you're thinking, Okay, we
Speaker 1: maybe we got him on their heels a little bit here.
Speaker 1: Let's keep going like Nate wants to do. Let's keep going.
Speaker 1: But the fact that you you you had an incomplete
Speaker 1: and then another incomplete and then you had a miracle
Speaker 1: catch at the For Prescott, I give him credit for
Speaker 1: the past there because he had Preston Smith was right
Speaker 1: in his face again Tyrn Smith gets beat on the
Speaker 1: play and he had to throw it over the top
Speaker 1: of them. But I just feel like though their attitude
Speaker 1: about what they needed to do would have changed from like, hey,
Speaker 1: let's just go try and tie this thing up right
Speaker 1: now and may and maybe I know you're going down.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm believing they were trying to kick the field goal.
Speaker 1: I'm believing I think, yeah, the personally though, I'm thinking
Speaker 1: of fifty two seconds, let's go win this thing, all right.
Speaker 1: I mean, Jason center after the game. That was but
Speaker 1: at one or nine, if you if you hit Beasley
Speaker 1: and he's in Redskin, Terry, I'm now, I'm I'm moving,
Speaker 1: I'm getting I'm gonna just keep going. I'm gonna try
Speaker 1: and go win this thing. This team, this team literally
Speaker 1: got beat at its own game. It rest. The Redskins
Speaker 1: are doing everything that you hope to have done during
Speaker 1: this game. They're doing everything exactly you seeing your blueprint
Speaker 1: workout for the other team. Well, guess what, you know
Speaker 1: what they are on today. They got most of the
Speaker 1: momentum him, I gotta take this back. Okay, you get
Speaker 1: that momentum back. You got fifty two seconds. I got
Speaker 1: to win this. Yeah, I'm not going in the overtime
Speaker 1: and hope and pray that I get back at this
Speaker 1: position where I'm at now. Yeah, that's what we was
Speaker 1: hoping for. We're getting this overtime, then we're hoping we
Speaker 1: can get back on the thirty five. The one thing,
Speaker 1: the one thing he had to think about though, was
Speaker 1: at his defense in the second half. I mean, Peterson
Speaker 1: was running the ball, but but he's got to think
Speaker 1: about you know, he's probably thinking, you know, wow, you
Speaker 1: know they can't make any big plays down the field,
Speaker 1: can they he's got I mean, he's probably thinking that
Speaker 1: he's gonna, he's gonna he's gonna get one shot in
Speaker 1: overtime to win the scene. But he's thinking, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean he's thinking, I know, but it's crazy to think.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. We have seen your life. Probably
Speaker 1: we've seen this play out before. That's if I see
Speaker 1: it play out one way before, I'm like, you know what,
Speaker 1: I'm at least gonna give it a shot the other way.
Speaker 1: You've seen this flair where you thought you was gonna
Speaker 1: have a chance. I'm gonna put it in my defense
Speaker 1: defense hands. But your defense is beat up. Now Peterson
Speaker 1: has hit you from right out one hundred yards that
Speaker 1: you are beat up. You are tired. Yeah, it sounds
Speaker 1: like a team that doesn't trust their quarterback. I think
Speaker 1: I can kiss you, man. I don't know. I just
Speaker 1: I don't think you trust the offensive line right now?
Speaker 1: Kiss you man? Are we taking breaks on this? I
Speaker 1: think for once, our receivers were better at catching the ball.
Speaker 1: For once, our quarterback turned it over twice. Yeah, our
Speaker 1: office of line did not play well. Now that's the
Speaker 1: recipe of the disaster, my brother, how about we take
Speaker 1: a break and we come back. I want to ask
Speaker 1: you what was the most important play in that game?
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Speaker 1: what was the biggest play of that game? Most Yeah,
Speaker 1: the biggest play of the game. You got any thoughts?
Speaker 1: I got my thought, I'll take the low hanging fruit
Speaker 1: and say, decks fumble on the end of Okay, you
Speaker 1: got one. It's a good one. I mean, I've got
Speaker 1: like five in my head that I'm trying to think
Speaker 1: of that. You know, I've got one. Go ahead because
Speaker 1: Rea Curney. It always happened within the first two drives
Speaker 1: of a Rod game. Dak Zeke or wide receiver would
Speaker 1: catch for a big playoff maybe twenty yards of us,
Speaker 1: and we'll always come up with a penalty or illegal
Speaker 1: formation of some kind and they would take the ball.
Speaker 1: From that point that team, the opposite team would take
Speaker 1: that ball and go down to score seven, and all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, we're in trouble. On the first drive
Speaker 1: of the game, Dak went for however many yards he ran,
Speaker 1: and there was a hold on Tyrn Smith. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: it was And that created a third and sixteen and
Speaker 1: um in complete on a deep ball punt, and then
Speaker 1: Washington drove fifty two yards in six plays for the
Speaker 1: first touchdown. Yeah, and I walked into and I told
Speaker 1: Lindsey said their only offensive touchdown by that time. I say, Lizzy,
Speaker 1: I say that right there, crushed this. She said, it's
Speaker 1: early in the game. I said, okay, yeah. And from
Speaker 1: that point on, we just took every other drive. We
Speaker 1: just messed up every other drive, either the sack penalty
Speaker 1: and even when we scored a touchdown, it was just
Speaker 1: it was just too much. We don't have the confidence
Speaker 1: as a team to believe that we can answer. We
Speaker 1: don't have that confidence because if we did, and I'm
Speaker 1: telling you, if we did, we would be cognizant of
Speaker 1: where we ad on the field and not make those mistakes.
Speaker 1: Is that a part of the communication problems? That our
Speaker 1: penalties a result of the communication? No, because a single
Speaker 1: a single physical that's a physical thing. Because like on
Speaker 1: the road, we averaged eight penalties for sixty nine yards
Speaker 1: of game, at home we averaged four for thirty thirty one.
Speaker 1: That's a physical thing. That's a lack of confidence. Are
Speaker 1: you playing somebody that's more skilled than you? Yeah, I
Speaker 1: go back to because I think I think Fate would
Speaker 1: have dealt them a different hand. If I go back
Speaker 1: to the Beasley play at one oh nine, because I
Speaker 1: think they designed that play. I think they designed that
Speaker 1: play to get him the ball. And Dad came off
Speaker 1: it and went back inside, and I Beasley was open.
Speaker 1: It was gonna be again. It was gonna be a
Speaker 1: big play, and it was gonna be a play that
Speaker 1: Beasley was gonna take. He was gonna run about another
Speaker 1: extra ten yards or so, and then they were gonna
Speaker 1: Now now you're driving. Now you're they're into the field
Speaker 1: with a time out and in your pocket and a
Speaker 1: little momentium on your side right there. I think it
Speaker 1: was a big play that that that wasn't wasn't made
Speaker 1: that you know, should have been made because it was
Speaker 1: so open. It was so easy for him to make
Speaker 1: that throw. And he had time. Happened that he came
Speaker 1: off with somebody flash, No, he had he had time.
Speaker 1: And now I went back. I went back and looked
Speaker 1: at it, though, and he's just he's got the time.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's just he looks at it and then
Speaker 1: he just and then he just quickly. I mean it's
Speaker 1: like he's like glancing then back inside and it's like
Speaker 1: he panicked on it. And I was I was sitting
Speaker 1: there going and you guys could go back and watch.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you want to come up, it up
Speaker 1: for you, and it's so it's so open that you're
Speaker 1: going They had to design it. And who is your
Speaker 1: best player to throw the ball to in that situation,
Speaker 1: It's Beasley. Throw it to him and let him get
Speaker 1: inside of Washington's territory. But I'll tell you another play
Speaker 1: I thought was huge was the mentioned that Shawn Lee
Speaker 1: when he ran down Alex Smith when they were trying
Speaker 1: to kill the clock, Because that gave you a chance
Speaker 1: and either win it or tie it, and gave me
Speaker 1: a chance. Yeah, exactly, you Sean Lee. When I mean
Speaker 1: the coverage they were playing, just straight bass coverage. You know,
Speaker 1: they didn't have nickel on or anything like that. I
Speaker 1: mean they but they covered everybody and Alex Smith is
Speaker 1: a good run. And I thought, when Alex Smith got
Speaker 1: near the corner, I'm like, Okay, this is gonna be
Speaker 1: close because because you got Byron Jones is driving too.
Speaker 1: But I'm hopeful that Byron Jones would have stuck his
Speaker 1: head in there and cocked him out of bounce before
Speaker 1: the sticks. But you never know with a cornerback what's
Speaker 1: going to happen. But Shaun Lee running from where he
Speaker 1: ran to get to that that right there, that play
Speaker 1: gave you a chance to either tie the game or
Speaker 1: win the game because it gave you the ball back.
Speaker 1: And on the previous series, his play on the option, well,
Speaker 1: and I'll tell you that that was yeah, And you
Speaker 1: know what, Shaun Lee gets a lot of credit, but
Speaker 1: it was the DeMarcus Lawrence that made that play. DeMarcus
Speaker 1: Lawrence is playing his technique and then all of a
Speaker 1: sudden he sees what's happened. Shaun Lee just happens to
Speaker 1: get up the field so fast that it forces Bibs
Speaker 1: to go back in the inside. But if you when
Speaker 1: you watch the play, it is it is. It is
Speaker 1: Lawrence playing down the line and then getting back to
Speaker 1: the outside quickly and then tripping him up. Because yeah,
Speaker 1: I I initially last night when I wrote my Scout's notebook,
Speaker 1: I thought it was Shaun Lee on the play the
Speaker 1: way I saw it on the TV. But then you
Speaker 1: go back, yeah, then you go back and watch the game.
Speaker 1: It was DeMarcus Lawrence's ability to the way he played,
Speaker 1: and he had a hell of a game when it came.
Speaker 1: There's not many people, there's not many people that that
Speaker 1: the Cowboys run defense that were that were really good
Speaker 1: in that game. You know, I was expecting to be
Speaker 1: a little bit better than they were. But Adrian Pierson
Speaker 1: him credit. But the Marcus Lawrence there were four or
Speaker 1: five players where he was just they did not block him.
Speaker 1: They trying them down the goal line. They try, and
Speaker 1: they try and get the ball the outside and he
Speaker 1: and he spins, I mean he feels, he feels Vernon
Speaker 1: Davis is going to block him, and he spins out
Speaker 1: of it, and Davids is lungdeon and he ends up
Speaker 1: right there on the ball. He led the team and
Speaker 1: combined tackles are just kind of rare. Yeah, he was.
Speaker 1: He he came to play yesterday. He really really came
Speaker 1: to play yesterday. We talk about we wasting, we wasting
Speaker 1: time on on these on offensive young stars. We wasting time. Boy,
Speaker 1: We gotta we got a beast at that love defensive.
Speaker 1: We wasting time. Man. He does not get near enough
Speaker 1: credit for playing the run as well as he does.
Speaker 1: He is. He is a rare player when it comes
Speaker 1: to run, running, rushing the passer and playing in the
Speaker 1: run and my play important play, uh plays off. It's
Speaker 1: the play right before yours. And it has to do
Speaker 1: basically with the same thing that you're talking about, which
Speaker 1: is the Connor Williams hold on the third on the
Speaker 1: third down play. It was the play just probably third
Speaker 1: seventeen on the third and third twelve, third and fourteen fourteen.
Speaker 1: But if but on that play that has a great
Speaker 1: throw to Beasley, they convert on third down. Okay, now
Speaker 1: they got a chance there, Yeah, and they can get going.
Speaker 1: And it was but it was a product of you know,
Speaker 1: getting beat on a play, and you know, you it's
Speaker 1: a young guy, that right, Jonathan Allen, I mean, I mean, okay.
Speaker 1: The thing with me was the when you watch that
Speaker 1: play and they could talk about this because he's lived
Speaker 1: this that you know, when you get a guy and
Speaker 1: you're on there, you're bodying him, you know, just ride
Speaker 1: him with your body. You know, if you're going down
Speaker 1: on the nine times out of ten, if you're riding
Speaker 1: a guy, then getting too and yeah, you got your
Speaker 1: hands on them, they're gonna call holding. But if you
Speaker 1: find a way to kind of ride them like you're
Speaker 1: riding a wave to the ground, officials don't. Now I'll
Speaker 1: tell you something though, These officials miss some calls. I'm
Speaker 1: not just saying there was a it was on one
Speaker 1: of the on one of Dak's sacks. They clearly Ryan
Speaker 1: I mean, I think it was Karrigan had hit. It
Speaker 1: was Karrigan. He had his hand like he punches Collins
Speaker 1: in the face with his hand and but he keeps
Speaker 1: his hand and he's driving Colins back to the quarterback.
Speaker 1: And then he gets the sack on Dak. And you're thinking, Okay,
Speaker 1: that's a that's a play in the in the in
Speaker 1: space that normally officials see, you know, and I'll sell
Speaker 1: you another play. I'm here. I'm kind of bitching about
Speaker 1: the officiating. But on the play that you were talking about,
Speaker 1: the one where Dak fumbles the ball, Thompson's on the outside,
Speaker 1: they're running double, they're running out and ups on both sides,
Speaker 1: and Dak's looking that way. Josh Norman hits. I mean
Speaker 1: contact physically cont tack blocks Thompson on the play fifteen
Speaker 1: yards down the field. Nine times out of ten that
Speaker 1: is going to be an illegal contact call. It's gonna
Speaker 1: be five yards. You're gonna be automatic first down. But
Speaker 1: then maybe you don't have the sack and the fumble
Speaker 1: and all that stuff. You know, you get the ball,
Speaker 1: you get another first down. But you talk about officiating
Speaker 1: the way it affects the game. That's a call that's
Speaker 1: made every every weekend in the National Football League. If
Speaker 1: you got a corner that's playing off and he kind
Speaker 1: of Norman's beat, Normans beat on the play and he
Speaker 1: collisions Thompson on the out and that affects the way
Speaker 1: that the you know, and now you get a sack
Speaker 1: fumble and it's a it's a big play, but a
Speaker 1: non call hands the face non call, uh, legal contact
Speaker 1: non call. You know, those are tough. Those are tough
Speaker 1: penalties that they're made, calls every day in the National
Speaker 1: FOOTBA League that they weren't made in this game. You
Speaker 1: you just you have the play. Yeah, I understand playing yet, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I'm not, but don't don't call it one thing
Speaker 1: going against what you're saying, bro. But what what what
Speaker 1: what amazes me is we I just looked at on
Speaker 1: the film where the sack on that You just have
Speaker 1: to play, man, You just have to play, and you
Speaker 1: have to believe it's your offense, is your offensive line,
Speaker 1: it's your quarterback. And I'm talking about the head coach
Speaker 1: in the staff. You have to believe that you gonna
Speaker 1: that that that some of these players are going to
Speaker 1: get get done. And and it didn't get done because
Speaker 1: your players were either not efficient enough, are not aware
Speaker 1: of what the situation was. And I'm going back to
Speaker 1: he was not good enough, and I'm talking about Connor
Speaker 1: Williams because they had a guy, but I think a
Speaker 1: guy for the center and a guy over him. So
Speaker 1: if you turn the protection, he stayed in the right gap.
Speaker 1: That guy got up the field in the right gap.
Speaker 1: That was the B gap. He and Connor knowing that
Speaker 1: if he had to sit on this guy, he didn't
Speaker 1: even it right. Yeah, you got a wide three. You
Speaker 1: have to sit out there. You have to take that
Speaker 1: chance that he's gonna get back inside and you can
Speaker 1: get him back with your powerhand. He did not even
Speaker 1: take the step experience. Yeah, sit back a little bit, father,
Speaker 1: and yeah, he gonna bull rush you, but yeah, he's
Speaker 1: gonna have to run over me. And if he has
Speaker 1: to run over me, and as long as I don't
Speaker 1: grab him and I'm just flaming, I'm good. Yeah. But
Speaker 1: when you guys go back and watch the games, you're
Speaker 1: not noting I'm not trying to defend Connor Williams. Lyle
Speaker 1: Collins was worse. Lile Collins was. Yeah, but that played
Speaker 1: there is what bills say changed. No, no, and I understand,
Speaker 1: but I understand if you want to, if if everybody
Speaker 1: wants to say get rid of Connor Williams or replace Connors, right,
Speaker 1: you better go find out what happened at right tackle
Speaker 1: that game yesterday, because that he got he got. I've
Speaker 1: never seen Lyle Collins get thrown around like he did yesterday.
Speaker 1: And he was hurried care again and then and then
Speaker 1: he was also. Yeah, they were they were working, they
Speaker 1: were working guys over. But he in the run game.
Speaker 1: I have never seen him play with the lie. I
Speaker 1: could balance that. This is his fourth year, the second
Speaker 1: year playing right tackle. Okay, but you know what, that's
Speaker 1: a coaches thing. You You don't A kid cannot be
Speaker 1: twenty six, twenty seven years old, reaching the prime of
Speaker 1: his life and all of a sudden he regressing. This
Speaker 1: kid is actually regressing. Yeah, there's no question. So somebody
Speaker 1: but something something either in his head technically unsound. Well,
Speaker 1: he played, okay, I tell you this, he played well
Speaker 1: in the game last week against a pretty good defensive front.
Speaker 1: But then he turns around in this game. His techniques bad,
Speaker 1: his feet are bad, his hands are bad. And it
Speaker 1: wasn't just like one time on the run blocking stuff.
Speaker 1: There's three or four times you go, man, that's just awful.
Speaker 1: And then you look at okay in the patty and
Speaker 1: the holding penalty. You know, like I was we were
Speaker 1: laughing last night, or like we were at the Houston
Speaker 1: Livestock rodeo, like we were bulldogging and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: You know, I mean, that's it's not you can't you
Speaker 1: can't play like that. Also credit at the Redskins personnel
Speaker 1: people for making the decision here in the last couple
Speaker 1: of drafts to draft those Alabama gains. They were terrible
Speaker 1: against the run, thirty second in the league last year.
Speaker 1: No one also what they are facing twice a year
Speaker 1: in this division against what perceived as boy offensive line
Speaker 1: and an Eagles offensive line that's one of the best,
Speaker 1: and they knew that they had to improve their defensive line.
Speaker 1: And Jonathan Allen fell to them. The guy had a
Speaker 1: bad shoulder. He was probably a top five player, probably
Speaker 1: the best defensive tackle on the board, and they get
Speaker 1: him at seventeen. Sometimes sometimes the draft gods smile on you.
Speaker 1: Some days they smile on you. Do we need to
Speaker 1: take another break or not? I think we're kid. I
Speaker 1: think we just probably need to keep talking, keep talking.
Speaker 1: Keep Okay, we're gonna keeping, but just keep going. Okay,
Speaker 1: you talked about guys making plays and on that. I
Speaker 1: just have to ask on the on the sack fumble. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's a shot of Gallup looked like he's breaking open.
Speaker 1: Is there just too much chaos in front of dak
Speaker 1: to me? When you people were saying, oh, you know,
Speaker 1: and I say, I I don't think he saw people say, No,
Speaker 1: his eyes were over there. No. If you look at
Speaker 1: the if you look at the end zone copy that
Speaker 1: I get to the coach's tape, you could see that
Speaker 1: he was clearly looking to his right to Thompson and
Speaker 1: then he kind of comes back and then he goes
Speaker 1: back out to think he's gonna get it out the
Speaker 1: other way. But yeah, I mean, if it's to me,
Speaker 1: I'm the problem he runs into. If it's Herns out
Speaker 1: there running, I'm thinking Herns is not going to be
Speaker 1: fast enough to run the out and up. I did
Speaker 1: complete a touchdown to Gallop though early in the game
Speaker 1: where he just outran the guy and he was he
Speaker 1: was he was clear, he was clear on the plane.
Speaker 1: If I'm throwing the ball down the field, I'm throwing
Speaker 1: it to Gallop every single time on the on the
Speaker 1: vertical run. See what happened. What happened, But he didn't
Speaker 1: see him. He came back to him too late, and
Speaker 1: Kerrigan had a run on him. Yeah, I just thought
Speaker 1: maybe started. Yeah, see Kerrigan. What happened there was Karagan
Speaker 1: was being blocked by the tight end. So Kerrigan wasn't
Speaker 1: really being handled by an offensive tackle or a guard
Speaker 1: or anything. He was rushing, he was blocking being blocked
Speaker 1: by the tight end. And all of a sudden, when
Speaker 1: Dak started to hold the ball, well, that gave Kerrigan
Speaker 1: the opportunity. And then we've talked about with this with
Speaker 1: Ryan Kerrigan forever. He never quits, he never stops on
Speaker 1: the play. He's gonna give you effort. And that's what
Speaker 1: he did. He just he Dak saw him flash and
Speaker 1: he tried to spin it and it was you know,
Speaker 1: he couldn't spin away. But and I could be totally wrong.
Speaker 1: That's fine. They twisted, right, they twisted. He saw that. Yeah.
Speaker 1: See people thought that he saw that. He felt that,
Speaker 1: and then when he finally got his eyes up to
Speaker 1: look at his receiver, he didn't see it because he
Speaker 1: saw the flash. Saw the flash. That's exactly he went off.
Speaker 1: His body and mind went off, and instead of him
Speaker 1: clamping that ball and just maybe taking the two, he
Speaker 1: tried to, you know, throw this guy, throw the ball away. Zee.
Speaker 1: I give credit what credit is due. He don't get
Speaker 1: no credit there because he felt that twist, yeah, right
Speaker 1: in front of him. And then when he saw that flash.
Speaker 1: Everybody thinking he's looking at and receive. He looking at
Speaker 1: what's coming in him. He's looking at the rush. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Eye level was down. Yeah. Okay, this is a tweet
Speaker 1: from Edward or here in the last few minutes. The
Speaker 1: controversial penalty on Cowboys LP Latticar was the result of
Speaker 1: Redskins special teams coach Ben Katwika I don't know how
Speaker 1: to pronounce his last name, noticing what he considered illegal
Speaker 1: movement of ball during preparation and bringing to Jay Gruden's attention.
Speaker 1: Gruden alerted game officials and encouraged them to watch for it.
Speaker 1: W oh I told him, but it was a constant chatter.
Speaker 1: I told I say, man, all night, they've been chattering,
Speaker 1: but the all night. But the official who's responsible for
Speaker 1: the safety of the center. I mean, you're not allowed
Speaker 1: to line up and chuck the center. And all that
Speaker 1: is the is the side judge. The guy's last name
Speaker 1: is Pain. He is the one that did not make
Speaker 1: the call, and he is directly looking at the center.
Speaker 1: And I'll tell you one thing. There was a time
Speaker 1: when they kick another I don't know if there's a
Speaker 1: field goal, extra point. LP takes the ball and moves
Speaker 1: it from one side, picks it up, moves it from
Speaker 1: one side all the way to the middle to get
Speaker 1: it set. I mean literally picks the ball up. And
Speaker 1: I went back and watched every field goal and extra
Speaker 1: point and I said, okay, is there a pattern here?
Speaker 1: And I'll tell you what. Sundberg the center for them.
Speaker 1: He takes the ball, he moves it up, he moves
Speaker 1: it back, and then he snaps it every time. So
Speaker 1: these these these centers have things that they go, mannerisms
Speaker 1: that they go to. It's like a picture getting ready
Speaker 1: to pitch the baseball. But they but LP literally took
Speaker 1: his hand, picked up the ball to his left and
Speaker 1: moved it back to the center, then moved it up
Speaker 1: and then yeah, and the way and what drew what
Speaker 1: drew Alan and those guys off sides was LP puts
Speaker 1: the ball up on the nose and then when he's
Speaker 1: getting ready to put his guide hand on there, he
Speaker 1: tilts the ball down and that's what got them off side.
Speaker 1: You know what got a offside? The coaches on the side,
Speaker 1: they were they remember you had Okay, there was a
Speaker 1: timeout right to review the Beasley play, right, Okay, I
Speaker 1: guarantee they're talking about because they knew that the Cowboys
Speaker 1: were getting in position to kick a field right and
Speaker 1: it was gonna be a long range field goal, right, Okay.
Speaker 1: I guarantee you that those officials, those coaches told the
Speaker 1: redskin players jump. See that's where I I because they don't.
Speaker 1: They don't get the call. They don't You're right if
Speaker 1: they don't. If they don't jump, that the call because
Speaker 1: like I said, yeah, go ahead. And the other thing
Speaker 1: that it was the inside guy jumped first, right, and
Speaker 1: then the guy that came across right he jumped because
Speaker 1: the inside guy he didn't do it because of the
Speaker 1: of the ball. I thought maybe that Redman whose plays
Speaker 1: tackle flinched. I thought the initial okay, Redman flinched, and
Speaker 1: that drew. He's the backup guy, I mean for us
Speaker 1: he I thought maybe he fled and drew because LP.
Speaker 1: The only thing LP did was he puts the ball
Speaker 1: in the nose and then when he's ready to snap it,
Speaker 1: he tilts it down. He just takes it. Yeah. Well, no,
Speaker 1: it's just his hands. It looked like to me it
Speaker 1: was one of those things. If they would have called Redmond,
Speaker 1: I would have said, that's close. I don't think any
Speaker 1: of that matter. I think what happened the officials ahead
Speaker 1: of time to watch for it, and then they coach
Speaker 1: their play. This the whole game. They chirped this the
Speaker 1: whole game. If this situation arises, it's like you've been
Speaker 1: setting a corner up the old game and now here
Speaker 1: it is. Yeah, but there's they don't get the call
Speaker 1: unless they jump. You're right, because there was. Seriously, there
Speaker 1: was one time that lats are with his right hand,
Speaker 1: the ball is outside, he's in his stance. He picks
Speaker 1: up the ball and moves it to the middle. I
Speaker 1: mean literally picks it up, moves it to the middle
Speaker 1: and sets it down. This is something LP is. He's
Speaker 1: a fidgety guy. But I watched I watched their center too,
Speaker 1: and he has been for fifteen years. Yeah, I mean yeah,
Speaker 1: Now there's times if this is a fourth and one,
Speaker 1: you're trying to draw them to get you know, you
Speaker 1: know that's a smart play. I mean, I've seen centers
Speaker 1: squeeze the ball. I've seen centers move it in their hand,
Speaker 1: you know, trying to get somebody to jump. But but
Speaker 1: the thing that bothered me was the official who's responsible
Speaker 1: for the center did not make the call. It was
Speaker 1: the judge and it was actually the line judge on
Speaker 1: I believe it was on the Cowboys side of the field,
Speaker 1: which which the side of the field that the guy
Speaker 1: the players jump from right right. And I promise you
Speaker 1: they got a guy full guys to sitting over there
Speaker 1: with doing the same show that we did, saying well,
Speaker 1: how smart were it is? But it's something that LP
Speaker 1: always if you can, I promise you we go back
Speaker 1: and watch every snap he's ever had he picks the ball,
Speaker 1: and go back and watch all centers around the National
Speaker 1: Football League. Again. I went back and watched Sunburg. The
Speaker 1: center for them sounds like we got out coached well.
Speaker 1: And then the other the other key on that is
Speaker 1: to have more than one player jump yeah, because that
Speaker 1: leads the official to believe that something to see. That's
Speaker 1: why I thought Redmond I thought, that's why I thought
Speaker 1: Redmond might have moved a little bit. And that's where
Speaker 1: I was kind of thinking, oh cheez, that's what happened there.
Speaker 1: But there was no ins LP did not need the
Speaker 1: Cowboys did not need the extra five yards at that point.
Speaker 1: But they have been nice that he was good from
Speaker 1: forty seven earlier in the game. See that was saying
Speaker 1: his range if fifty two gets a little more, does
Speaker 1: get a little dicey. And that's why we were kind
Speaker 1: of talking about do you get you run one more played,
Speaker 1: you run a play to try and get him seven
Speaker 1: or eight more yards. And then if it is and
Speaker 1: if there is a penalty, okay, it's a forty two
Speaker 1: yard field goal now. But my point on that is,
Speaker 1: if the risk was not worth the reward of the
Speaker 1: five yards, if LP was trying to douce, yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't think was trying to do anything. I don't think,
Speaker 1: but let's say, like in the official's mind, he was Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: manipulating the rules exactly, and but he there was the
Speaker 1: risk was too great for him to do that. I
Speaker 1: didn't see anything different than any matter of fact. A
Speaker 1: matter of fact, again, there was one he had that
Speaker 1: where he literally picked up the ball was outside his
Speaker 1: when he was he picks up the ball and moves
Speaker 1: it physically picks it up and moves it to get
Speaker 1: into position. But Edward just text right tweet that they
Speaker 1: they had this already put in play, right they so
Speaker 1: so thank you for clearing that up. Because great speculation
Speaker 1: by you guys. But it's right there. It's right there,
Speaker 1: and they did it at the right time. Is it
Speaker 1: like right there? It's like it's like measuring the pine
Speaker 1: tar bat right, Yeah, it's right there. Too much curve.
Speaker 1: If I'm a coach and I get a call like
Speaker 1: that in a game, I'm gonna take credit for it.
Speaker 1: Yeah it's right there, me and you on the same page.
Speaker 1: But I take it a step further and saying why
Speaker 1: do you practice all these different scenarios? Sure, I'm with it,
Speaker 1: and get in the game with Yeah, Yeah, I'm with you.
Speaker 1: You can't Why practice games are two? I think this guy,
Speaker 1: that's another another three another three or point or less
Speaker 1: lost for this guy right when he likes sixteen and
Speaker 1: fifteen and now he's had two, he's had a win
Speaker 1: seventeen two losses. So yeah, he's right at seventeen seventeen
Speaker 1: three point games head coach three points or less, he's
Speaker 1: seventeen seventeen. I want to believe it is record. I
Speaker 1: just gotta that's kind of like that's him, all right, Rosy,
Speaker 1: next time we go to the Rover, Yeah, seventeen seventeen,
Speaker 1: that's what he is again. And this this situation, Philadelphia,
Speaker 1: be your next time. Okay, when we go in a
Speaker 1: row in this situation arises us full guys gonna be thinking,
Speaker 1: what go win it? Okay, I would always I'm always
Speaker 1: for they go win it. I'm gonna go win it, guy.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of people that are thinking that same thing.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go win it. Guy. Well, the coach went
Speaker 1: forth on fourth and one? He did? I give him
Speaker 1: credit for that. Yeah, he did, first or second quarters.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what if Dak Prescott wasn't really upright
Speaker 1: when he goes. If Dak Prescott's kind of hunchdown and
Speaker 1: we went watched it, he goes into that line really upright, mean,
Speaker 1: they got some serious push on that right side. It
Speaker 1: would it wouldn't matter because he would have gone on
Speaker 1: for twenty yards on his own. Rady would have gotten
Speaker 1: called back on that drive anyway. All right, are we
Speaker 1: done with this edition of Hanging with the Talking Cowboys? Right? Yeah? Absolutely,
Speaker 1: Well that was fun. That was a quick hour. Yeah,
Speaker 1: thank you. So we will be back on a regular
Speaker 1: schedule tomorrow tomorrow, okay, and the team arriving back later
Speaker 1: today from Washington, DC and good Field trip today. All right,
Speaker 1: we'll talk at you again tomorrow. See you guys,