Speaker 1: Wake that ass up in the morning. Breakfast Club Morning,
Speaker 1: Everybody's DJ Envy and Ngelie E Charlemagne the guy. We
Speaker 1: are to Breakfast Club. We got a special guest back
Speaker 1: in the building. But welcome back. What's going on? You
Speaker 1: got the new EP boys? Don't cry? Tell me about
Speaker 1: that title, man, I mean, I don't know. I feel
Speaker 1: like as men, um, you know, our whole life, we
Speaker 1: taught to be tough and I have emotions, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, with you some bullshit, by the way, it's
Speaker 1: some bullshit. It definitely is. I just have I just
Speaker 1: have my son though, So I feel like, you know,
Speaker 1: me having my son kind of opened my eyes to that, Like,
Speaker 1: you know, I wanted to feel like he could be
Speaker 1: his own person. So, I mean that's the biggest thing.
Speaker 1: That's that's where the title came from. When you get
Speaker 1: that mentality from, because most most dads, I'm sure your
Speaker 1: dad's age or you raise your kid, fall down, I
Speaker 1: get back up. Don't you cry? You hope them tiens.
Speaker 1: Don't you cry to it? What made that? What had
Speaker 1: that change to you as a as a father? Um?
Speaker 1: I was raised by women, I mean, um, even raised
Speaker 1: by a women. I was it's raised to be tough.
Speaker 1: Um with him. I want him to be his own person.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't. I don't want to fall into
Speaker 1: the same light or the state, same same statistic that
Speaker 1: everybody else selling into. So, I mean that's the biggest thing.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm gonna give you a book before
Speaker 1: you leave here about Jason Wilson cried, like a man,
Speaker 1: just remind me to give it to you else. Somebody
Speaker 1: else just told me that yesterday. Oh yeah, powerful, powerful book,
Speaker 1: because I feel like all you're doing is raising a
Speaker 1: generation of sociopath when you tell a bunch of men
Speaker 1: don't feel Yeah, they said, they said, they said the
Speaker 1: book about like basically like emotional incarceration. That's right, yea, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna check it out. I got it for you.
Speaker 1: I got it. I got copies up here somewhere. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I need it. How are you able to open up then,
Speaker 1: like to even be in a relationship, Um, honestly, like
Speaker 1: when when it came to that, I don't know. I
Speaker 1: just I just did it. It was you can't run
Speaker 1: away from love. You heard that's something that that's gonna
Speaker 1: follow you no matter where you go. Herd So I
Speaker 1: don't know either. You will love quick like the first
Speaker 1: sight type of thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's ninth
Speaker 1: grade with everything na na la. But I have my
Speaker 1: one person though, Yeah, I mean it's ninth grade that
Speaker 1: I that's okay. Yeah, yes, it's ninth grade. Like I
Speaker 1: knew who that was, who I wanted to do it.
Speaker 1: I mean, so it's kind of like that. You still
Speaker 1: feel like that's that's a rare thing to happen for
Speaker 1: that and you would say that happened with you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: my wife was fifteen or sixteen. Yeah, that's crazy. He've
Speaker 1: been together twenty seven years, married twenty one, same thing
Speaker 1: my wife for twenty four years. Yeah, not married as long,
Speaker 1: but matches twenty fourteen. They figured it out. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: hope I get there. How do you get there? I said,
Speaker 1: I hope I knew. Oh yeah, I mean you're going
Speaker 1: through it now, and listen, it's gonna be ups and
Speaker 1: it's gonna be downs, and you're gonna make mistakes and
Speaker 1: she might get how y'all do ya do it? Now?
Speaker 1: That's complicated question. I'm gonna get another book. Complicated question.
Speaker 1: That's always a question that I got from couples that
Speaker 1: have been together that long. I always wanted to know
Speaker 1: what it was that that kept them together, and usually
Speaker 1: you get you get the same answers like patience, um
Speaker 1: and things of that nature. So yeah, I mean that's
Speaker 1: part of it. I think for myself. It's also you know,
Speaker 1: when we first started going out, there was nothing there.
Speaker 1: It was just loved. It wasn't about money, it wasn't
Speaker 1: about relationship, wasn't about going else. So we develop a
Speaker 1: love that's outside of anything else. Like she's you know
Speaker 1: when they call rid a die, she's really that person.
Speaker 1: She's really when I have a problem, she's my best friend.
Speaker 1: I can talk to her. We can have those uncomfortable
Speaker 1: discussions and problems and situations. But also that was before
Speaker 1: the money. That was before the money. That's it. That's
Speaker 1: that I think when he said it, probably the most
Speaker 1: important thing. You gotta be really friends with a person.
Speaker 1: And I think sometimes men we'd be more loyal to
Speaker 1: our homies than we do all women. This thing we
Speaker 1: will do to our guys, that will do to the
Speaker 1: presion we go to sleep with that, you know every night. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's crazy to me. I don't lie, can't. I can't
Speaker 1: do it because that and there. It's like, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, if this I date the mirror, you know,
Speaker 1: so if this is the person that I'm looking at, mirry,
Speaker 1: It's like I can't sit and be like, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: be more lower than my home was than I am.
Speaker 1: The girl that's gonna be you know, the girl that's
Speaker 1: gonna be my wife. I mean the Boby said it
Speaker 1: your wife come before anything. I'm trying to find your
Speaker 1: own words too, Like you got to know what your
Speaker 1: definition of love is. Definitely, I mean, because I thought
Speaker 1: I loved my wife back then. But if I loved
Speaker 1: her the way I thought I did, I wouldn't have
Speaker 1: did some stuff that I did. You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: So what you learned you listen? Yeah, man, listen, yo, listen.
Speaker 1: I don't lie. It's like the world, the world, the
Speaker 1: world won't understand some of that stuff though you give
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like you know, you you you look
Speaker 1: at it as you overcoming you know, something that you
Speaker 1: went through. I mean, the rest of the world might
Speaker 1: look at it like, uh, you did that, you dare wrong?
Speaker 1: So I don't know, it's you could be both two
Speaker 1: things can be true. Yeah, two things definitely could be true.
Speaker 1: Things could be true most deaf. Two things definitely could
Speaker 1: be true. It's a little bit different when you and
Speaker 1: the Slight though. Oh yeah, you're artists because you you're
Speaker 1: trying out your superpowers. You've never been in this version.
Speaker 1: Oh god, what I'm saying, like we like Angela was
Speaker 1: just talking about girls doing dick sucking contests and asking
Speaker 1: men if they can be judges. That's what that didn't
Speaker 1: happen before you. I ain't explain't say it's none of that.
Speaker 1: I don't know none of that, none of that. Man,
Speaker 1: do you think that y'all have to go through something
Speaker 1: in order for you to realize what you have? Yes,
Speaker 1: sadly to question, I don't think so. I don't think so.
Speaker 1: I feel like I feel like, um, I feel like
Speaker 1: you can know what you I feel like you can
Speaker 1: know what you what you got before you before like
Speaker 1: fucking up. I don't feel like you gotta fuck up
Speaker 1: to know what you got Like I don't know. I
Speaker 1: also don't think cheating got anything to do with the woman.
Speaker 1: Cheating has to do with what we like in ourselves. Men.
Speaker 1: It's yeah, you're trying to feed all ego. It's all intoget.
Speaker 1: You know that's so crazy. That's that it's crazy that
Speaker 1: you said, because like I always told myself, like I
Speaker 1: never needed more than one woman to strouke my ego.
Speaker 1: I never needed that, you know. I mean, if I
Speaker 1: had one one female that could stroke my ego and
Speaker 1: just make me happy, I'd be cool with that. Like,
Speaker 1: but I don't know, though, some shit you get some
Speaker 1: niggas that that polygamy, you know what I mean? So
Speaker 1: I think they just think they want that. And you
Speaker 1: remember when I called my dad cheating back in the day.
Speaker 1: My dad said to me, oh, you only got one
Speaker 1: girlfriend one day? You go understand. So when you planted
Speaker 1: that seat in my head, yeah, I mean thinking like damn,
Speaker 1: so I gotta have man like this. I gotta I
Speaker 1: gotta do the shit he did. I don't. I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't think like that. What does it mean when
Speaker 1: you say to tweet a woman like a lady, but
Speaker 1: effet like a hole? What is it? What does that mean? Like?
Speaker 1: How do you do that to somebody like that? Man?
Speaker 1: You getting you get in the bedroom. You know, girls
Speaker 1: want to be slatted out, man, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: You get in the bedroom with a girl shoul't want
Speaker 1: to be treated like she a girl she wanna be
Speaker 1: she wanna be fucked like you're gonna suck one of
Speaker 1: them holes. How's that? Like, what's the difference like the holes?
Speaker 1: That's a trick question. That's no, that's a trick question.
Speaker 1: Your girl ever say something like that. Don't answer that question. No, don't, don't,
Speaker 1: don't even do nothing. But I don't lie too. It's
Speaker 1: like like I don't know, Like it's like, it's like
Speaker 1: treating a girl with respect outside of the bedroom. But
Speaker 1: in the bedroom she wants. You know that the bedroom
Speaker 1: the only time you could disrespect the Girl's just like
Speaker 1: when women say women say, women say, you gotta be
Speaker 1: a lady in the streets of freaking the shore. It's
Speaker 1: the same thing. That's all in the bedroom. That's the
Speaker 1: only time one woman want to be disrespected. She want
Speaker 1: to hear post, she want to be slapped, you want
Speaker 1: she wants all the type of shit. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: that's so, that's what it means. I mean, she don't
Speaker 1: so you'd be pulling hair, slapping, doing all that. Man,
Speaker 1: we do, come on, do it back to you? No,
Speaker 1: hell not? What the fuck? That's not that's not true.
Speaker 1: Hell Na, that's not pulling your hair, pulling his hair.
Speaker 1: Ain't no one put nah. I have no hair pulling,
Speaker 1: no slapping, no choking. I don't do nothing of that.
Speaker 1: You won't get choked. I don't want to get choked.
Speaker 1: I got blindfolded, blind for the hell Nah, are you
Speaker 1: blind for the me? So you can use your other senses? Senses, man,
Speaker 1: that's not what you want to Na. I'm not trying
Speaker 1: to tap into no other senses in the bedroom. I'm good.
Speaker 1: I ain't spider Man. Talk about this song. Heard it
Speaker 1: hits me. I'm not spider Man. You are trying to
Speaker 1: shoot something number one. Listen, and it's so hard. As
Speaker 1: you said, you've done taking my heart. Put it in
Speaker 1: a bit of place. Let another break my heart. They
Speaker 1: wish they could when inspired that UM like going through ship,
Speaker 1: going through hardships and relationships, you know, being in relationships
Speaker 1: and getting put through things that you you know, never
Speaker 1: been never been through before. Um. You know, and sometimes
Speaker 1: you you you bumping the people and you know they
Speaker 1: beginning girl sire tasting your mouth. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Like I got I got an X I used to
Speaker 1: be with I don't. Well, I only got too. I
Speaker 1: only been with two girls who for yeah her, Oh god, man,
Speaker 1: I hate her. What did she do to you? Man?
Speaker 1: She broke my motherfucker, she cheated on me. I was
Speaker 1: like sixteen though. That shit hurt. Though, you know, you
Speaker 1: get cheated like Nigga, get cheated on a high school
Speaker 1: and it's over. I don't like you fucking up for
Speaker 1: life with that sh That is true. Yeah, you cheat
Speaker 1: on me in high school? Right now? Do you want
Speaker 1: to tell them all? I mean what my not telling me?
Speaker 1: Hell he had a bad story about getting cheated. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I've been on my woman for twenty four years.
Speaker 1: So that's what I mean when I say, you know,
Speaker 1: whatever you expect of whatever, say, I want to buy
Speaker 1: whatever she expecting you. You gotta be willing to give
Speaker 1: her what she forgives you. If she does something, you
Speaker 1: gotta forgive her. No, I will lie forgate. I forgave
Speaker 1: a few times, though, I don't want lie that shit.
Speaker 1: That Nigga was good then she was a sucker for
Speaker 1: red man, I don't want I don't even think it
Speaker 1: was what dude, I can't remember I was. I was
Speaker 1: a young man, like so you didn't cheat, but she
Speaker 1: only hell nah, she fucked me up. Yeah, she sucked
Speaker 1: me up and I kept catching and you kept staying yeah,
Speaker 1: hell yeah. I want a trust issues because of that situation.
Speaker 1: Crazy part though, I don't even got trust issues because
Speaker 1: I feel like I don't know, I just don't got
Speaker 1: trust issues. I bet she wish she wouldn't now though
Speaker 1: that she was trying. She was trying to throw a
Speaker 1: little quick little shots and say all the type of
Speaker 1: ship like that. She said something on the internet the
Speaker 1: other day she blew my mind. I forgot what she said.
Speaker 1: She said something about, oh, nah, you know what it was.
Speaker 1: I had gave my I had gave my girlfriend thirty
Speaker 1: K for her birthday. Um, and like, I guess like
Speaker 1: the internet ain't like her that reaction, but she not
Speaker 1: really no like over over over after Yeah, she's not
Speaker 1: no overreactor. Like, so I gave her the thirty I
Speaker 1: gave her thirty K, and shortly going internet, she like, uh,
Speaker 1: she should have been me. If I would have got
Speaker 1: the thirty K, I would have such a sub order.
Speaker 1: Guess what never view you know how you know? Nah?
Speaker 1: She posted it on Facebook and it was public and
Speaker 1: people started tagging me yea, yeah, she wanted you to
Speaker 1: see that. She wanted me to see that. She wanted
Speaker 1: your girl to see that. And then she was hoping
Speaker 1: it will cause problems at home. Ain't no problems at home,
Speaker 1: that's what that's that's what they want, many problems at home.
Speaker 1: Ain't no. I ain't no trouble in paradise. Man. I
Speaker 1: saw you kind of like we'll be going through ship.
Speaker 1: Of course all couples do. I let you get that,
Speaker 1: But I saw you saying that, you know, you really
Speaker 1: don't care for the fame aspect of it, right, So
Speaker 1: when you say that, but why shows people stuff like that?
Speaker 1: Why show them you giving your girl thirty thousand? I
Speaker 1: want a lie? It was like that. So all of
Speaker 1: that was before, like I had made that post um.
Speaker 1: I don't know, the fame become a lot, especially at
Speaker 1: twenties two, and then on top of that, you know,
Speaker 1: you signed these labels and shit like that. Ain't no
Speaker 1: media training, it ain't no more fucking like, no, they don't.
Speaker 1: They don't teach you how to how to how to talk,
Speaker 1: and when you get into interviews with to say whatnot,
Speaker 1: you don't do none of this ship or so you
Speaker 1: coming into this ship and they're not supposed to because
Speaker 1: that's kind of like taking away from who you are
Speaker 1: as a person and as an artist. Yeah yeah, there's
Speaker 1: things that could get you in trouble, things that you
Speaker 1: most definitely that you could get you canceled. Now, So yeah, right,
Speaker 1: if they could guide you. I mean, we're a platform.
Speaker 1: If you say something that's gonna get you cancel, that's
Speaker 1: gonna get you in trouble, locked up, we're gonna tell you.
Speaker 1: I think it might work here. I don't think it
Speaker 1: works with social media because when you at home and
Speaker 1: you got in your phone right there you're typing, it's over.
Speaker 1: Like so you if you were on social media and
Speaker 1: you type, and you sit and type some shit like
Speaker 1: oh no the world and in the world, don't it
Speaker 1: they go best? But like, um yeah, like I don't know, so,
Speaker 1: like I guess like it was kind of like one
Speaker 1: of the moments where it's like damn, Like if I
Speaker 1: was famous, this never would have been an issue. I mean,
Speaker 1: and they people flipped it and made it seem as
Speaker 1: if like it was a thing of um me blaming
Speaker 1: the fans for for for whatever happened. But like Honestly,
Speaker 1: it wasn't even that. It was just a matter of
Speaker 1: like me staying here, Like yo, if if I was
Speaker 1: never famous, because my music used to be like important
Speaker 1: to me, like it used to be just for me.
Speaker 1: I used to which it still is important, but it
Speaker 1: used to be just a thing for me. It used
Speaker 1: to be sacred to me. I mean, but I don't know,
Speaker 1: I started dropping the music and you know, I'm I'm
Speaker 1: more so doing things for the fans now, So I
Speaker 1: don't know, it's more so like you know, if I,
Speaker 1: if I never was famous, this never have been a problem.
Speaker 1: That's That's a great conversation, right because that that is
Speaker 1: that impact your creative process because you're thinking about what
Speaker 1: the Internet's gonna think or what people are going to think,
Speaker 1: instead of just going to make the music you want
Speaker 1: to make. Honestly, I feel like me and my me
Speaker 1: and my fans got such a such a good connection
Speaker 1: that when I go in there and I record, it's
Speaker 1: not really like it's like it's almost like I'm recording
Speaker 1: for myself because we got the same thought process. To
Speaker 1: be a fan of me, you like the things that
Speaker 1: I like. Um, So I don't know, we got to
Speaker 1: we kind of got the same thought process. And even
Speaker 1: it'll be times where I get our Instagram live and
Speaker 1: make songs with the fans and let them like have
Speaker 1: an input on the songs and what's what we're gonna
Speaker 1: title the song and what we're gonna talk about in
Speaker 1: the song, like things of that nature. So it's kind
Speaker 1: of hard to miss when you're doing that. Do so
Speaker 1: do you think that people feel like because a lot
Speaker 1: of times with your music, because it is, like you said,
Speaker 1: very personal and sacred, people really feel like they know
Speaker 1: you and they feel like they know exactly what you're
Speaker 1: talking about. You might have a song that you did
Speaker 1: two years ago and you put it out now and
Speaker 1: they feel like it's something that's happening to you now. Yeah. Yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's that's the hard part about everything. You know.
Speaker 1: They feel like every song that you make is a
Speaker 1: subject of what's going on today today's world, when in reality,
Speaker 1: this shit could have happened thirty years ago. Well, boys
Speaker 1: don't cry with this ep um for these songs? Are
Speaker 1: these all current songs? Like that's going like, is this
Speaker 1: something that we should take as this is something that's
Speaker 1: happening to you now? Um? Yeah, yeah, for the most part.
Speaker 1: And if it ain't my story, it's somebody else story,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Because I'll tend to do
Speaker 1: that a lot too, Like I might I might make
Speaker 1: a song about you know, some real life situations that's
Speaker 1: going on right now, but there might not be something
Speaker 1: that's happened to me. It might be my homeboy that's
Speaker 1: going through it and not just I just so happen
Speaker 1: to see it. So yeah, it could be that too.
Speaker 1: Now you're also going on to a road wave and
Speaker 1: with a riot of scientists. Ye so, um, how did
Speaker 1: that to our come together? Man? Honestly, Um, we got
Speaker 1: the same book and age. So being that we got
Speaker 1: the same booking age and shot out the mac agency,
Speaker 1: we got the same book and agent, it came time
Speaker 1: for him to go on tour and my name just
Speaker 1: got throwing that bucket of you know, people we wanted
Speaker 1: to bring on tour, so you know, they made it
Speaker 1: heaven And now we're going on tour. This is probably
Speaker 1: gonna be the fucking saddest tour. Like I see the comments,
Speaker 1: because I see the comments that should have they like, yo,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be in crying and oh my god, it think, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think so like I think people enjoy being sad nowadays.
Speaker 1: I don't know why. I think people enjoy processing their
Speaker 1: emotions because for so long we haven't been allowed to,
Speaker 1: especially men. That's what I think now. I did ass
Speaker 1: like sad like when I started seeing the tweets. So
Speaker 1: I sat and I like, I'm like, damn, let me
Speaker 1: dive into the music like it really see what the
Speaker 1: hell going out? I started listening to though fucking marioders, scientists,
Speaker 1: spread thin and like that, and then you then you
Speaker 1: go to rid wave catalog and he got anything he got.
Speaker 1: Then I start diving back into my own shout I
Speaker 1: say dead, last song of it is, last song? Yeah,
Speaker 1: sh like that, man, I don't lie. I see, damn,
Speaker 1: this ship going to be sad, like somebody got somebody
Speaker 1: got to come up with this bitship and turn this
Speaker 1: ship up a little bit or something. Man. But in
Speaker 1: a way, you know what you're doing because you put
Speaker 1: out a lot of songs. And he's like, I'm taking
Speaker 1: a break from social media. Come on, now, you always
Speaker 1: know what you're doing. I mean, I feel like you
Speaker 1: didn't really take a break from social media. Ain't taking man? Listen, man,
Speaker 1: I don't lie one thing about the dope. Man. I
Speaker 1: swear I didn't give up on everything that life, like
Speaker 1: when it sports, school, relationships, like just I don't lie
Speaker 1: like my whole I wouldn't say I've been a quitter,
Speaker 1: but like I've been a quitter. You get what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Music something that I could never quit. I could never
Speaker 1: give up. You think you was a quitter or just
Speaker 1: a runner? I was a runner. Yeah, I definitely ran
Speaker 1: with Timesard, So I definitely say I was a running
Speaker 1: But that's something you know, acknowledging it would be the
Speaker 1: first step. Ever since then, I've kind of been working
Speaker 1: on it, trying not to run away from my situations
Speaker 1: uh as much. And like even you know, even even
Speaker 1: you know when I when I first got into you know,
Speaker 1: situations and shit like that, My my first start will
Speaker 1: always beat up. All right, I'm out, Like if we're
Speaker 1: not fit to do this, Like you want to leave,
Speaker 1: you be leave, I'm because I'm gonna leave what we do.
Speaker 1: But like acknowledging that should be the first step. And
Speaker 1: it's like damn, like what you're gonna run away from
Speaker 1: anything you go through? And more importantly, and you learn
Speaker 1: this in therapy. You can't run away from yourself. No,
Speaker 1: you can't. So you gotta do whatever internal issues you got,
Speaker 1: you got to deal with them because you can not
Speaker 1: run away from yourself. You gotta deal with it. You
Speaker 1: go to therapy. Yeah, once a week. Hell yeah, feel
Speaker 1: about five six years man? You know I used to
Speaker 1: I used to have a therapist, like you know, when
Speaker 1: you're when you're when your people get a divorce and
Speaker 1: shit like that, they make you go to council. Yeah yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: like I used to have a therapist for that, and
Speaker 1: then I stopped seeing them. I mean, that might be
Speaker 1: another reason to nigga make all this sad ass music.
Speaker 1: Therapy is gonna make you mix out word up. My
Speaker 1: whole life telling you that therapy. My whole life been
Speaker 1: nothing but shit, just going through shiitard. So all right,
Speaker 1: unpacking now. I don't wait till I waited until I
Speaker 1: was like thirty five, thirty six years old. Do it now,
Speaker 1: so you got you got less years to unpack. Imagine
Speaker 1: trying to unpack twenty five years of trauma. Yeah nah
Speaker 1: on a lot of shit. Yeah, that's a lot, twenty
Speaker 1: five years of trauma, A lot shit. I'm fighting more
Speaker 1: fucking eighteen years of trauma. When you when you did
Speaker 1: take a break form music because you said that's something
Speaker 1: that you would never run from. Yeah, um, when you
Speaker 1: still a lot of crazy. I never takes putting out
Speaker 1: like a whole project. Oh yeah, I don't took longer
Speaker 1: breaks than that, Like I ain't. I ain't put out
Speaker 1: on a project. But I didn't took the longer, longer
Speaker 1: break than what I took this year, like because I
Speaker 1: was still dropping singles. I don't want eight months without
Speaker 1: dropping nothing. Like, So what did you do? Were you
Speaker 1: still working during that time? Yeah? Yeah, the old man
Speaker 1: over there had me. Uh, he had me, and he
Speaker 1: had me in the studio recording. We were just recording
Speaker 1: a bunch of music. I ain't have a catalog, that
Speaker 1: was the problem. I ain't have no music in the
Speaker 1: stashum and some some of my my greatest records came
Speaker 1: out of that. So like, I definitely appreciate that, But yeah,
Speaker 1: I was. I was just recording. You talk about the trauma,
Speaker 1: So so your new therapy, I guess, or your therapy
Speaker 1: is doing all these records. Then, yeah, that was the
Speaker 1: best thing putting you in the studio. Yeah, putting me
Speaker 1: in the studio was like, yo, music was like the
Speaker 1: best thing that ever happened to me. You get what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, like only changed my life, and then on
Speaker 1: top of me changing my life, on top of it
Speaker 1: changed my life and opened my eyes to know who
Speaker 1: I truly am and what I'm here for. You know,
Speaker 1: like my my whole life been a plot twist, Like
Speaker 1: ain't nobody ever expect for me to become who I
Speaker 1: am today? And people don't expect for me to become
Speaker 1: what I'm gonna become. Like I genuinely could look body
Speaker 1: in their eyes and tell them like it's not the
Speaker 1: end for me, like it's it's something way bigger than
Speaker 1: what people seeing right now. It's just hard for me
Speaker 1: to speak on it because every artist to get up
Speaker 1: here and say that they're gonna be something bigger than
Speaker 1: what they is today, and some is, but some'm not,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, Some'm not gonna make it farther
Speaker 1: than this interview. Or when it comes to me like
Speaker 1: I'm here to stay, like my name is something that's
Speaker 1: gonna stay afloat no matter what. It's nothing nobody ever
Speaker 1: could do to change that. But you know when God
Speaker 1: calls you. It's not a conference calls. We ain't for
Speaker 1: everybody anyway. Man, listen, there ain't no conference call at
Speaker 1: all telling everybody. This ain't those zoom like. I mean,
Speaker 1: you can't look into this one. And I feel like
Speaker 1: the good thing for you is things have been also
Speaker 1: getting bigger every single time, and the momentum is building
Speaker 1: instead of you coming out with a crazy momentum and
Speaker 1: then going away, it's still getting high. I'm gonna tell
Speaker 1: you what's so crazy though, like, um, where you and
Speaker 1: and this is for like all the artists that's out
Speaker 1: there right now, don't fall too too deep into the politics.
Speaker 1: Like when you started to pour too deep into the
Speaker 1: politics and the numbers and you stopped having fun with
Speaker 1: it and then started to feel like a job and
Speaker 1: shit like that's it started to feel crazy. I try,
Speaker 1: I tell, I tell the people that's around me all
Speaker 1: the time, like, um, we got to get back to
Speaker 1: having fun with it, because it definitely was a time
Speaker 1: where I started to put out my you know, uh
Speaker 1: ceo suit I guess you would say, in a sense,
Speaker 1: and started digging too deep into things that really don't
Speaker 1: matter for me. It mattered for me, but I ain't
Speaker 1: supposed to be handling it, So I started paying attention
Speaker 1: to the numbers like I never used to pay attention
Speaker 1: to numbers at all. If the song did good, it
Speaker 1: just did good because at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: the numbers, the numbers be with the numbers be. But
Speaker 1: it's always somebody out there that's going to relate to
Speaker 1: your shit more than the next person. And that's what
Speaker 1: keep our artists going for it, for it's not about
Speaker 1: the fucking first week numbers and all that other bullshit
Speaker 1: that people try to make this ship seem like it's about.
Speaker 1: It's not about it's not about these deals that's getting
Speaker 1: signed and like, because all that should be cool, But
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, like when you haven't
Speaker 1: fun with the music, all that shit don't come. You
Speaker 1: get what I'm saying. So I don't I want a lie,
Speaker 1: Like to the artists that's out there, man, don't fall
Speaker 1: too deep into the numbers. Don't fall into first week numbers,
Speaker 1: second week numbers, billboards and all types of dumb shit
Speaker 1: like that, because half of the motherfucker's that sounds billboards
Speaker 1: ain't never think they probably was ever gonna get no billboard.
Speaker 1: You get what I'm saying, Like that should be some
Speaker 1: sporadic shit like that shit yo, Like like we were
Speaker 1: talking about like women on top of the game right now.
Speaker 1: You ask some of the girls that sounds like on
Speaker 1: top of the charts right now if they thought it
Speaker 1: was gonna happen as quick as that shit happened for them.
Speaker 1: Nobody ever saw music taking a turn that it's taken
Speaker 1: right now. Right When did we ever see artist Glowrilla
Speaker 1: when Partycause you get to see things happen so quickly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like so you got that and then and then on
Speaker 1: top of that, not then you got artists like you know,
Speaker 1: the bigger artists doing seventeen thousand first week, twenty three thousand,
Speaker 1: and twenty two thousand first week in sales and shit
Speaker 1: like that, Like nobody never saw music doing none of this,
Speaker 1: Like we're looking at nuthers, like damn, these niggas doing
Speaker 1: two hundred K, three hundred K, one hundred and fifty thousand.
Speaker 1: Now niggas is doing not even niggas is not even
Speaker 1: doing a quarter of that. What do you want? What
Speaker 1: do you think of the baby saying his comments? Manatory
Speaker 1: Land is kind of saying there blackballed from um, honestly,
Speaker 1: I've seen I've seen, um, I've seen Russ haven't taken hunting.
Speaker 1: He basically He basically said, like you know, the snow
Speaker 1: such thing as being black balled if you eble to
Speaker 1: put out your music and so, um, I don't Honestly,
Speaker 1: I wish I could speak on it. I only like
Speaker 1: when it comes to them shoes, I can't even say
Speaker 1: how to feel because I probably if I was in
Speaker 1: these shoes, I probably feel black balled too, you know. Um,
Speaker 1: So I don't know. I feel like any artists, any
Speaker 1: artists who got like an input on that, you know,
Speaker 1: it's that's all it is. It's an input because at
Speaker 1: the end of the day, like you won't know until
Speaker 1: you in them shoes. Yeah. Um. But yeah, though, I
Speaker 1: feel like with the Tories situation, I feel like he
Speaker 1: definitely getting black really yeah, I think. I mean I
Speaker 1: can see the baby too. I can definitely see the
Speaker 1: baby too. Where with baby, I don't feel like it's
Speaker 1: really a I don't feel like it's a black ball.
Speaker 1: I feel like it's the world. The world just it's
Speaker 1: it's the backlash yet what I'm saying, right, Yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like like playlist or you know the And that's the
Speaker 1: crazy part. See, that's something I really don't know about
Speaker 1: because I never I never really made playlists, Like I'm
Speaker 1: not all right, we don't have we don't have a
Speaker 1: playlist for the type of music that I'll make. You
Speaker 1: get what I'm saying. The streaming services they'll put you
Speaker 1: on playlists and when people are randomly listen, and so
Speaker 1: I think that's what they're saying, right, But then Rust
Speaker 1: was saying, well, your fans will find you whether or
Speaker 1: not you're on a playlist. Yeah, and that's like, that's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: your fans are find you, but your fans always your
Speaker 1: fans also like your fans. You have fans, and then
Speaker 1: you have fans, and the fans are falling to the
Speaker 1: category of them thinking just like the people who not fans,
Speaker 1: because that's all that it be. The motherfucker's who'll be
Speaker 1: who talks shit about you want to internet be haters,
Speaker 1: and then the haters, and then the haters hypnotize the
Speaker 1: fans because it's fans, and then it's fans. The haters
Speaker 1: hypnotize the fans into thinking that it's fans. It's your
Speaker 1: fans who actually fans. That's talking shit about you, when
Speaker 1: in reality is nothing but the hater being a hater. Hey,
Speaker 1: you know what else? And you know what I'm gonna
Speaker 1: say too about those playlists. Sometimes I discover music that
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have discovered by listening to you. It's so crazy.
Speaker 1: I don't make playlists. I don't if if somebody tells
Speaker 1: me tu s, I'm gonna go search to see I'm not.
Speaker 1: I've never been. I've never been like none of them
Speaker 1: show but it might be like a hip hop and
Speaker 1: I and B playlist that songs randomly come up. I've
Speaker 1: never been on ARM. I've never been on like like
Speaker 1: the R and B. What's the name of that major R?
Speaker 1: Like the R and B is none of that. They
Speaker 1: don't discover music via playlist. Really, yeah, you're not, because
Speaker 1: I know in the juice we put on a random
Speaker 1: playlist of like hip hop and R and B, and
Speaker 1: sounds will come up and I'd be like, oh, I
Speaker 1: mean my music though, like like not even just going
Speaker 1: to look that shit up. My music has never been
Speaker 1: on any of them playlists, so I never like really
Speaker 1: knew I ain't. I never knew that the playlist and
Speaker 1: actually affected that ship that much, like if playlist and
Speaker 1: affected niggas numbers like that. Yeah, because you look for
Speaker 1: I Want Lie. That's a different type of like, that's
Speaker 1: a different type of power. Do you think about not
Speaker 1: even a person when you go to the gym, there's
Speaker 1: always a playlist on the back. If you're in a
Speaker 1: cab a lot of time, there's playlist on those songs.
Speaker 1: Just keep going on rolling like all. It's like the Baby,
Speaker 1: Like you were saying earlier, the thing with the baby,
Speaker 1: there's always two types of fans, right, The fan's gonna
Speaker 1: ride and die regardless, and then wants a hit. They yeah,
Speaker 1: on what type of record that's a fan? That's that's
Speaker 1: that's fans because they see other fans with the baby.
Speaker 1: If he doesn't have a hit because the playlists are
Speaker 1: not playing him. Yeah, he's not spending his records radio
Speaker 1: stations and I spending those records. He doesn't have that fan.
Speaker 1: That's long definite, definitely, And because of that, that's kind
Speaker 1: of being black ball because they're not giving his records
Speaker 1: an opportunity. Also too, you do realize and I saw
Speaker 1: this that the day I'm reading it because I put
Speaker 1: it on my phone then the stat that one percent
Speaker 1: of all artists generate ninety percent of the screams. One
Speaker 1: percent of all artists generate ninety percent of the scream
Speaker 1: So if you're not in that one percent, are you
Speaker 1: really being impacted that much by scream? But the baby
Speaker 1: was probably in that one percent with all the records,
Speaker 1: probably at one point. Damn. So you're saying one percent,
Speaker 1: it's a one percent of all artists generate ninety percent
Speaker 1: of all screams. Shit, I already known. I don't even
Speaker 1: know if it's a little baby. Yeah, no not when
Speaker 1: you look at the top ten. A young boy no
Speaker 1: young boys YouTube, So young boy don't young boys YouTube YouTube,
Speaker 1: don't lie. But he got a different type of fan. Absolutely, yeah,
Speaker 1: young boys got a different like the means that they
Speaker 1: neither like NBA young NBA young boy fans be like, yo,
Speaker 1: I don't want lie, matter what crazy part, it'll probably
Speaker 1: never be another NBA young boy Like, don't matter no
Speaker 1: matter one thing about it. Bro, I live, I live
Speaker 1: in reality. Bro Get what I'm saying Like that shit
Speaker 1: ain't no no joke. When they come to you and
Speaker 1: be like we need you to do a young boy
Speaker 1: doing on YouTube? You be like that that I can't.
Speaker 1: It's over, bro, That's that's that's a young boy. It'll
Speaker 1: never be another NBA young boy. And at a never
Speaker 1: like yeo, bro, some some things could be mimicked. That
Speaker 1: shit there, you can't mimic that's he didn't even try
Speaker 1: to strategize that. It just with organic. That's just him,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So like, when you get
Speaker 1: something like that that's special. Are you from upstate? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Are you investing in up State a lot? Because up
Speaker 1: State is a growing market when it comes to really
Speaker 1: crazy part, Nah, I ain't. I haven't even dove into
Speaker 1: none of that yet, you know what I mean. But
Speaker 1: you're looking to it because it's it's i mean the
Speaker 1: rent prices up state to us shooting to the rule. Yeah,
Speaker 1: property prices are great, and then some of these schools
Speaker 1: and colleges around there that people need to place to stay. Definitely,
Speaker 1: he's looking at you can buy some property, fool, not
Speaker 1: too too bad. Yeah, we we we've been we've been
Speaker 1: sitting and talking about that. That's something that's on our
Speaker 1: bucket list. Now, what about putting we I know we
Speaker 1: had this discussion, but social media putting like your private
Speaker 1: life on there, putting your girlfriend on there. Are you
Speaker 1: gonna move differently now? Because yeah, I'm gonna keep a
Speaker 1: private I mean, like it's just as simple as that,
Speaker 1: like keep it off the internet because at the end,
Speaker 1: I mean it might be a time where or or
Speaker 1: a day where, you know, I might throw the fan
Speaker 1: up there one time, but I don't know. I'm chilling
Speaker 1: right now. I'm strictly focused on the music and getting
Speaker 1: this where it need to be. Are you happy? Yeah? Well,
Speaker 1: which which part? Just in life? I mean, you're putting
Speaker 1: out songs like heartache and lonely, you know, I'm like, um,
Speaker 1: I don't want a lie to That's that's a hard
Speaker 1: that's a hard question to answer, you know, like because
Speaker 1: every day is different. Yeah, every day different. I don't
Speaker 1: walk around with my head down, but I definitely sometimes
Speaker 1: I wish I was in a better position than what
Speaker 1: I'm in. I feel like it's it's different things that
Speaker 1: I could have I could have did, and I never
Speaker 1: I never try to put the blame on nobody else,
Speaker 1: you know, because every decision that I made is decision
Speaker 1: that I made. Life is about options. So I mean,
Speaker 1: at the end of the the day, I can't if if
Speaker 1: if I walk around with my head down, I'd be
Speaker 1: walking around my head down because some shit that I did.
Speaker 1: I mean, so I don't know. Life cool, But do
Speaker 1: you beat yourself up from mistakes? You me? Hell no,
Speaker 1: I don't know it's good. I don't do that at all.
Speaker 1: But but I definitely say, like sometimes I sit and
Speaker 1: be like damn, Like I wonder how shit would have
Speaker 1: went if I would have never did this, or I
Speaker 1: would have never took this step. So but they all
Speaker 1: everything that you did got you to this point now, everything,
Speaker 1: like even if that's why I don't believe in good
Speaker 1: or bad, I believe everything is just part of one
Speaker 1: long process gets you the way you're supposed to be. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: it's a process. Like I mean, my brother always told
Speaker 1: me to trust the process. So you know that's all
Speaker 1: I'm doing. I'm just trusting the process and putting in
Speaker 1: the work. I mean, you gotta put it in the work.
Speaker 1: The album comes out this Friday. Boy Boys Don't Cry. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we want to be sad. If you want to be
Speaker 1: sad and get a good cry, get too. C VP boys.
Speaker 1: Don't you need that though? As we go through things
Speaker 1: and like like I need to listen. I don't know
Speaker 1: about it. Need to be sad sometimes you should for what, man,
Speaker 1: I only raining outside. It's raining outside, it's cold and
Speaker 1: ship you know, man, we're here to talk about life.
Speaker 1: And she got said some of the best albums that
Speaker 1: I like those break up albums, you know. Yeah, not
Speaker 1: like with Mary j Blige. We love you know, we
Speaker 1: used to love the Unfortunately she went through a lot
Speaker 1: sad shite. Oh that's crazy, j Blie j Blige house.
Speaker 1: I can never I can never be there. Many wake
Speaker 1: up in the morning. Did you see that it was raining?
Speaker 1: And just like stare nah hell nah, yo. See this
Speaker 1: is what I'm yo, this is what I'm saying. Man,
Speaker 1: you know, as men, they just don't they expect us
Speaker 1: to be so tough. Asked me that I look out
Speaker 1: the window. I got up. I got up. I don't know.
Speaker 1: It was hard for me to get out of bed.
Speaker 1: I got up while you tired. I was tired as hell.
Speaker 1: I don't why is this interview at eight in the morning,
Speaker 1: bro the breakfast club to y'all, So y'all don't do
Speaker 1: no fucking interviews after breakfast? Then no, y'all switched to
Speaker 1: the lunch club. Yeah January, Man, listen, this is I
Speaker 1: don't lie. They say thirty. I say, y'all sure eight
Speaker 1: thirty am welcome to the life of the artist to
Speaker 1: see and I'm sure you got more after this. I'm
Speaker 1: here man, I mean hell, y'all do yeah, I got
Speaker 1: like three three more interviews and then I gotta then
Speaker 1: I gotta listening party too much, and then you gotta
Speaker 1: talk about boys don't cry. It's clean up. It's clean
Speaker 1: X sponsoring the listening about you know, yeah, man, he
Speaker 1: don't care about my fast Dude, I got your man.
Speaker 1: Oh you found it. I was looking at it and
Speaker 1: you know what I got two for you, yo, bro,
Speaker 1: pull up your pants man, Yes, shit, that's the old
Speaker 1: man ship man been crazy. We can't plumber like a man.
Speaker 1: Oh a matter of fact. James M Battle Cry by
Speaker 1: Jason Wilson. What's this about? It's both about processing your
Speaker 1: emotions the man. This is the unapologetic guy bought a
Speaker 1: black man, oh black woman, and he steady about crying though.
Speaker 1: J it's the breakfast club boy.