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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you should know from House Stuff Works
Speaker 1: dot com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark.
Speaker 1: There's Charles w Chuck Bryant, there's Jerry Rowland. So that
Speaker 1: stuff you hi rolls and body. That's the second time
Speaker 1: I've been able to do that on this show. Do
Speaker 1: you remember the first one? Cryonics colon high Frozen Body
Speaker 1: Exclamation August two thousand eleven. But cryonics is not the
Speaker 1: same thing as cryotherapy. So if you think you guys
Speaker 1: are doubling up already, nope, Well they could even toss
Speaker 1: out medically induced hypothermia. We did that one to all different,
Speaker 1: totally different, mostly different. Um No, we're talking cryotherapy. It's
Speaker 1: um specifically whole body cryotherapy because cryo therapy has been
Speaker 1: around for a really long time. Have you ever had
Speaker 1: a wart? No? Oh, you never had this happen to you. Well,
Speaker 1: actually I did have. Um I forgot, I had the
Speaker 1: planner warts on my feet. You get them burned off? Um?
Speaker 1: I did not? Pleasant. Yeah, and those are a bugger.
Speaker 1: I used to get warts here there when I was
Speaker 1: a kid. I would go to the doctor and it
Speaker 1: would open a freezer and take out like a this
Speaker 1: crazy metal thervice not a jar, boards that they collected. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I thought they feed them to you and that's how
Speaker 1: you get rid of your words. Yeah, I think it is.
Speaker 1: When my mom would take me to the witch, and
Speaker 1: that's how I would get rid of my um No.
Speaker 1: They would just take it, take a little swab of
Speaker 1: this stuff and like put the swab onto your wart
Speaker 1: and it would just burn it off, like they burned
Speaker 1: it by freezing it. Yeah, because they're using liquid nitrogen.
Speaker 1: It was so cold that it burns it basically just
Speaker 1: burns tissue. You know what I actually have at home
Speaker 1: right now? I have a spray can of medical freezing
Speaker 1: spray because I used to go to the doctor to
Speaker 1: get my skin tags removed because my body is just
Speaker 1: lousy with them here in my old age. And then
Speaker 1: you just finally just stole the can so you can
Speaker 1: do it yourself. Didn't steal a can. I bought a can.
Speaker 1: You can buy the bo yeah on the Amazon bought okay,
Speaker 1: And I got a little uh, the little sharp clipper,
Speaker 1: not nail clippers, but like um scissors, No, not scissors.
Speaker 1: It's sort of been between the nail clipper and a scissor.
Speaker 1: It looks like something you get out a hardware store.
Speaker 1: Is it like scissors? But then the ends bent at
Speaker 1: like a forty five degree angle. No, they look like
Speaker 1: just a pair of dykes, like in a toolbox. But
Speaker 1: there for your toe and fingernail kit. I don't know
Speaker 1: what those are. I'll just show them to you, Okay.
Speaker 1: So anyway, I'm gonna start blasting them and cutting them
Speaker 1: off myself, or I'm gonna have Emily do it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: please take a video of this or Facebook live it. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the new thing. Yeah, look out for that people's book.
Speaker 1: It's uh, it's their version of periscope. Yeah, I'm sure
Speaker 1: they don't really like that, but that's exactly what we're
Speaker 1: gonna try it out. That's medical uh burning of Moleska.
Speaker 1: Bring your little clippers and your medical freezing spray on
Speaker 1: tour and I will film it and we'll just see
Speaker 1: what happened. I don't know if I could get that
Speaker 1: through security. You just have to throw it over the
Speaker 1: detector and as you go through and catch it on
Speaker 1: the other I think. So that's what I learned in
Speaker 1: Boondocks Saints. Oh man, what a movie man, that guy
Speaker 1: I wanted. I've never seen the documentary about Tony Duffy.
Speaker 1: I can't remember. I think it was the bar Owner
Speaker 1: turned um like Hollywood wonder Kin for guy who blew it?
Speaker 1: All right, Troy Duffy, great documentary. That's his name is
Speaker 1: Troy Duffy. I want to see it, alright. So movie
Speaker 1: sidetracked already. Oh, carylo therapy. I'm sorry. So when you
Speaker 1: take liquid nitrogen UM, that's really how sidetracked. I just
Speaker 1: got like I forgot what we were talking about for
Speaker 1: a second. When you take liquid nitrogen and put it
Speaker 1: on your tissue, that's um local cryotherapy. That's like, that's
Speaker 1: there's no question that that actually works and what it does,
Speaker 1: we understand it. The whole body crowd therapy is different.
Speaker 1: It's kind of this trendy new thing in the health
Speaker 1: and metas spots where you basically get into what they
Speaker 1: call a cold sauna and are exposed to liquid nitrogen
Speaker 1: gas and they're supposedly has a whole range of health benefits,
Speaker 1: which should immediately set off your skeptical antenna. Yeah, if
Speaker 1: something like Cure's ten ailments, it sounds a lot like
Speaker 1: snake old, especially when the ailments are very vague. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you want to I want is I want something that
Speaker 1: cures the one ailment I have? Right? Not, Hey, it
Speaker 1: will help with these eight things. Yeah, And I'm not
Speaker 1: faulting anybody who's saying like, well, we don't know that
Speaker 1: this how it works. We just know it works, because
Speaker 1: a lot of Western medicine has no idea how their
Speaker 1: effective treatments work. They just know they do work. So
Speaker 1: there's there's I have no issue with that. The problem
Speaker 1: with cryotherapy is we should just say right off the
Speaker 1: bat is there's really no scientific evidence that this works
Speaker 1: at all. Um it has maybe a little bit of
Speaker 1: um an impact done inflammation. But well, we'll get to
Speaker 1: all that. I'm getting ahead of ourselves. Don't spoil it,
Speaker 1: Sorry he did. Should we edit that part out? No,
Speaker 1: let's leave it in there. But first, let's go back
Speaker 1: to Japan in the nineteen seventies. Let's take the way
Speaker 1: back machine, which I bet Japan in the seventies was
Speaker 1: a pretty fun place to be. Yes to the office
Speaker 1: of Dr Toshima. Is it Yama Yamauchi, and he was
Speaker 1: supposedly the first guy, the first doctor to actually use cryotherapy,
Speaker 1: and in his case, he used it to help treat
Speaker 1: rheumatoid arthritis patients. Still doing it. Oh, I'm sure he
Speaker 1: has a clinic on an island called I believe Kyushu.
Speaker 1: I thought it was gonna be Yamauchi Island. It might
Speaker 1: as well be. I'm sure that guy is getting loaded
Speaker 1: these days. Money not well maybe both Oka Hi hi
Speaker 1: high end Japanese Scotch and money. Yeah, Japanese scott just
Speaker 1: good stuff. But yes it is. Did you know seriously?
Speaker 1: Um uh Crown Royal rye one like world's best whiskey. Recently,
Speaker 1: this is the second time he told everybody, just so
Speaker 1: astounded by it I have yet to try it, actually
Speaker 1: I have, you know, but we'll try it on the
Speaker 1: road maybe if we can get our hands on some.
Speaker 1: So Yamauchi was trying it with the rumatroid arthritis patients
Speaker 1: and then it's spread through Europe and eventually made its
Speaker 1: way over here where it became has become a very
Speaker 1: trendy thing. And of course celebrities, if they're in on it,
Speaker 1: then you know it's the latest in Yeah, maybe not
Speaker 1: greatest treatment because celebrities they're just like us, yeah, except
Speaker 1: that more money to waste on frivolous things. So um,
Speaker 1: I love how you just kind of glossed over it.
Speaker 1: But how it got here Apparently in the Soviet block
Speaker 1: they picked up on this treatment that was being used
Speaker 1: for rumor troid arthritis in Japan Soviet athletes, and you know,
Speaker 1: it probably wasn't by choice back then. They were forced
Speaker 1: into these things, right, you know, like the all Drug
Speaker 1: Olympics guy like get down off the uh the balance
Speaker 1: beam and get in that get in that cold saunta
Speaker 1: cold sauna. Yeah. But the whole idea um that this
Speaker 1: is that this there's some sort of benefit health benefit
Speaker 1: the cold. It doesn't lie with Yamauchi. Um, there's it
Speaker 1: goes back quite a long way. Um, there's this whole
Speaker 1: idea that taking a cold plunge, cold water immersion like
Speaker 1: the Polar Bear clubs. Yeah, and Finland they call it
Speaker 1: of a two in Ti. So they get in the
Speaker 1: sauna and then they run out and their bear skin underwear.
Speaker 1: Yes is this Finland, and they jump in the cold,
Speaker 1: icy waters of the nearby lake. And uh, it's supposed
Speaker 1: to rejuvenate them and make them gasp for air their
Speaker 1: body heels. It's it's supposed to improve mood, well, increase
Speaker 1: your metabolism, do all sorts of crazy stuff. But this
Speaker 1: whole idea, um, that that has health benefits. I was
Speaker 1: very surprised. I figured I would find like, oh, the
Speaker 1: Finns were the ones who started this, or may be
Speaker 1: in Iceland or something like that. Um. I couldn't find
Speaker 1: anything that talked about the history of ice swimming. UM.
Speaker 1: Further back than what this article comes up with, which
Speaker 1: is a guy in New York named Professor Sugarman Sugarman. Yeah,
Speaker 1: surely Sugarman sugar Man. Yeah, what was that in the
Speaker 1: eight hundreds when he was the human polar bear and
Speaker 1: he would get into the icy rivers in New York
Speaker 1: and um, he was a help guy and so he said,
Speaker 1: this is helping my body out. You should do it.
Speaker 1: You know, you think I'm crazy. And by the way,
Speaker 1: Graham Cracker's cure masturbation, is that a thing? Oh yeah, really, dude,
Speaker 1: We've got to do like that whole road Dwellville sometimes.
Speaker 1: That was such an interesting Yeah, believe so from the
Speaker 1: serial Kellogg Kellogg. But there was a doctor Graham who
Speaker 1: came up with Graham Crackers. Um, like there was a
Speaker 1: whole bunch of crazy thinking at that time. That was
Speaker 1: really interesting. I saw that movie way back when. But
Speaker 1: it's been a while, Anthony Hopkins, right, yeah, and I
Speaker 1: think I wasn't Matthew Broderick in it. I feel like
Speaker 1: it's been a while. It wasn't made in the late eighties. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Matthew Broderick. It was the one that he was in
Speaker 1: The Freshman. Did you ever see that with Bruno Kirby
Speaker 1: and part of that just the other day? Actually? Yeah? Yeah?
Speaker 1: And I thought how odd that Brando would agree to
Speaker 1: reprise his role from the Godfather in a comedic way,
Speaker 1: kind of like de Niro has done to lesser success.
Speaker 1: You know what else? Was a good Brando movie? Um
Speaker 1: don Juan DeMarco. Yeah, not bad. Yeah, I liked it,
Speaker 1: although I'm speaking from like when you saw it back then. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I haven't seen it in a long time. I bet
Speaker 1: it holds up. I bet it's very relevant timely in
Speaker 1: top cool. I'll chopo all over the so. Uh, like
Speaker 1: you said, they have done some studies that found it
Speaker 1: doing the ice swims helps reduce chronic pain. But I'll
Speaker 1: just go ahead and say this about all these studies,
Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about a lot of them. They're just
Speaker 1: all over the map, and none of them are very
Speaker 1: controlled or very good. Yeah, so it's hard to really
Speaker 1: make a judgment call when you're not doing the good research.
Speaker 1: So the jumping in a lake um as part of
Speaker 1: a polar Bear club to make yourself guess have you
Speaker 1: already done that? Not jumping in a lake, but gone
Speaker 1: into like a cold water bath? Well we jump we
Speaker 1: Yeah I did it in high school and a frozen lake. Oh,
Speaker 1: so you have done that. Yeah, there was a church
Speaker 1: camp that had a big, like fifty ft slide into
Speaker 1: the lake and in the summer it's a lovely thing
Speaker 1: and in the winter, you know, the guys were like, well,
Speaker 1: we're gonna do it, right, and we did it. And
Speaker 1: did you go Jesus No, I didn't know. Were you like,
Speaker 1: oh this is I mean, how long were you in there? Spill?
Speaker 1: I had no idea. Well, I slid in and then
Speaker 1: quickly swammed ashore and got out and got warm and
Speaker 1: ended up on the cover of guide posts shivering in
Speaker 1: your little um polar bear skin bathing suits. Yeah. And
Speaker 1: by the way, people who sent in that cover of
Speaker 1: guide posts that they thought might have been me good
Speaker 1: investigative skills, because the way I described it, it it could
Speaker 1: have very well have been me, but it was not me.
Speaker 1: That one's yet to be found. So um, this idea
Speaker 1: of jumping in the lake, it's it kind of it's somehow,
Speaker 1: not sure how made its way into sports medicine, where
Speaker 1: it became very big cold water immersion. Yeah. Like you
Speaker 1: see the NFL player sitting in like an ice tub
Speaker 1: after a game. He likes his ice paths um. And
Speaker 1: the whole, the whole idea behind it is that you
Speaker 1: just exerted your muscles, right, and when you exert your muscles, um,
Speaker 1: they become basically infused and swollen with blood. Right, So
Speaker 1: one of the reasons your muscles ache after exercises because
Speaker 1: they're swollen like their their tissue is is just larger
Speaker 1: than normal and it causes this ache. When you immerse
Speaker 1: yourself in water, the thinking goes, the hydrostatic pressure outside
Speaker 1: of your body draws the fluid toward your skin, so
Speaker 1: it draws it out of the muscles and eventually back
Speaker 1: into the blood vessels, so it creates or it lessens
Speaker 1: that aching thing. The problem is, if you're using cold
Speaker 1: water immersion for that kind of thing, it doesn't really
Speaker 1: make any sense because cold water immersion creates vaso constriction,
Speaker 1: which means it makes your blood vessels smaller, which would
Speaker 1: make them less apt to accept the blood from the muscles. Well,
Speaker 1: there's some people that think it's actually has the reverse
Speaker 1: effect and it's not doing what it says that it's doing.
Speaker 1: But like I said, the opposite. Did you see that
Speaker 1: study that I sent you, which one the one that
Speaker 1: had like it was the discussion part had just like
Speaker 1: a couple of different I don't think so. Well. There's
Speaker 1: this one study I came across, and it was basically
Speaker 1: a survey of studies and it it showed like this
Speaker 1: study found that these people's um cycling ability after a
Speaker 1: cold water immersion, like after not you jump in an
Speaker 1: ice bath and then jump on a cycle like the
Speaker 1: day after, their cycling ability dropped from like you know
Speaker 1: to just and the only the only factor involved was
Speaker 1: cold water immersion. Uh. There's another guy named Joseph Costello.
Speaker 1: He's an exercise physiologist from the University of Portsmouth in
Speaker 1: the UK, and he said that there's more evidence coming
Speaker 1: out that inflammation, uh is actually part of the recovery process.
Speaker 1: So you don't want to stop your inflammation, Uh, you
Speaker 1: want to embrace it. I guess right. Well, one of
Speaker 1: the ways that your muscles adapt is by basically being
Speaker 1: torn and rebuilding themselves, and they do that through inflammation. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and that was by the way, I read an article
Speaker 1: from wash Post called the Big Chill Cryotherapy Maybe trendy,
Speaker 1: but does it work? It doesn't sound the way. Not
Speaker 1: only does it not work like you were saying, like
Speaker 1: Costello's finding, there seems to be more and more evidence
Speaker 1: that it actually has a detrimental effect where if you're
Speaker 1: an elite athlete, you do not want to do cold
Speaker 1: water immersion. Yeah, all right, Well let's take a break
Speaker 1: and we'll talk a little bit about kind of the
Speaker 1: cost and what's going on today with this stuff. All right,
Speaker 1: josh U, a little bit of the nuts and bolts
Speaker 1: on cryotherapy these days. You will go. If you're in
Speaker 1: a big city, you probably already have a cryo spa. Um,
Speaker 1: it's probably just some some spa bought one of these machines. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't mean it's dedicated to cry out spotting. Well
Speaker 1: maybe there's some in the biggest of cities cities, but
Speaker 1: you know, look it up on your internet machine and
Speaker 1: if you want to go check it out, you can.
Speaker 1: It will cost you about forty or fifty bucks. Or
Speaker 1: you can get like a monthly membership. I saw one
Speaker 1: and um Minnesota, which I don't know why, they just
Speaker 1: don't go outside in the winter and accomplished the same thing.
Speaker 1: But it was four and fifty dollars a month. But
Speaker 1: you're unlimited cryotherapy and you don't want to use it
Speaker 1: more than once a day. So I did the math,
Speaker 1: and that's still the savings of about six hundred bucks
Speaker 1: if you went every day. Yeah, I wonder how much
Speaker 1: it costs to buy one of those. I'm sure it
Speaker 1: would pay for itself in ten years. And I wonder
Speaker 1: if you can eventually just put a tabletop on it
Speaker 1: and double it as a dining table once you inevitably
Speaker 1: quit using it to put a lamp on it. Uh
Speaker 1: so four to your fifty bucks a pop, um, and
Speaker 1: you will be in the it's really really cold, and um,
Speaker 1: it's I think that's an understatement. Yeah, and it's gas.
Speaker 1: We need to be really clear. You're not in cold water.
Speaker 1: It's dry gas, and that's what saves you from things
Speaker 1: like frost bite or freezing to death or getting hypothermia,
Speaker 1: because that's right, it's gas. That liquid nitrogen, when it's
Speaker 1: exposed to the warmer temperatures of the air and it's
Speaker 1: released into that thing, immediately gasifies. Yeah. And we're talking
Speaker 1: negative two hundred and fifty six degrees fahrenheit or hundred
Speaker 1: and sixty degrees celsius right negative. That is colder than
Speaker 1: anything on planet Earth. Right. So if you could find
Speaker 1: liquid that remained liquid at those low temperatures, right, um,
Speaker 1: you would basically immediately die when you immerse yourself in it.
Speaker 1: And the reason why gas you can expose yourself to
Speaker 1: temperatures of gas like that rather than liquid, because liquid
Speaker 1: is UM has a higher heat capacity, which means it
Speaker 1: absorbs heat more readily, and it's a great conductor of heat,
Speaker 1: so it wits that heat away from your body. UM
Speaker 1: I think twenty five times faster than air does. So
Speaker 1: you can withstand this this cold cold temperatures again negative
Speaker 1: two d and fifty six degrees fahrenheit. Right, that's the
Speaker 1: coldest temperature on Earth right there in that little cryo sauna.
Speaker 1: There's nowhere else on Earth that's even remotely close to that. UM.
Speaker 1: But you can withstand it for a certain amount of time,
Speaker 1: Like I think three minutes is the maximum time that
Speaker 1: they suggest. They say two to three minutes is, which
Speaker 1: I guess that's a plus. You pop in there, you're
Speaker 1: gone five minutes later. Oh yeah, If you want one
Speaker 1: of these things, it's like printing your own money aside
Speaker 1: from the lawsuit payoff UM. And you will, like I said,
Speaker 1: two to three minutes at the most, and it penetrates
Speaker 1: no more than a half millimeter below the surface of
Speaker 1: the skin UM in the case of the gas. And
Speaker 1: here are some of the things they say will help
Speaker 1: with UM anytime. The first one is destroys toxins, and
Speaker 1: my radar is up. Yeah, because that's such a broad claim.
Speaker 1: You know, uh, increases metabolism, that's another one that so
Speaker 1: you'll actually lose weight, right, boost your immune system, and
Speaker 1: slow aging. Like all of these sounds like something you'd
Speaker 1: see on the subway at in New York. What are
Speaker 1: the four broadest health concerns you have? Human? Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: that happens to take care of all of them. I'm
Speaker 1: surprised it doesn't say like, helps you get sleep or
Speaker 1: helps you if you're getting too much sleep. Right, there's
Speaker 1: probably a spot advertises that. Probably so. And the reason
Speaker 1: that they can do this is because, chuck, it's unregulated. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there are some states that now offer suggestions on I
Speaker 1: believe one state, just one, Nevada, the one where a
Speaker 1: lady died doing it. Well, let's go ahead and talk
Speaker 1: about her, because we're not laughing at her a tragic accident,
Speaker 1: because it was awful. We're laughing at the ridiculous lack
Speaker 1: of oversight on this extraordinarily dangerous machine. Exactly. This was
Speaker 1: in the July, a place called Rejuvenile rejuven Ice. But
Speaker 1: think for real with that, Yeah, I think so maybe
Speaker 1: that's an all cryospa. It's a med spa and Henderson, Nevada,
Speaker 1: and um, this lady who worked there when in one
Speaker 1: day and notice that the machine was already on, and
Speaker 1: then on the floor next to the machine, she's oh,
Speaker 1: she was still in the machine with it on. Oh.
Speaker 1: I didn't think you could lay down in this thing.
Speaker 1: I thought it just set you up with your next
Speaker 1: sticking out. I think she crumpled. Okay, Yeah, so this
Speaker 1: thing is kind of shaped like a barrel. Um. It's
Speaker 1: not like a bed that you laid down in. No,
Speaker 1: it's like you remember that one um or onlike old
Speaker 1: timey cartoons where like a guy's taking a Schwitz like
Speaker 1: they go into that machine and like their head sticks out,
Speaker 1: but inside it's basically like a wet sauna. I don't
Speaker 1: know what you speak, I can picture it. Okay, say
Speaker 1: you got into an iron lung and then they stood
Speaker 1: you up. Okay, looks like that. Well, at any rate,
Speaker 1: she found her coworker, um Chelsea, I have no idea
Speaker 1: how to bring a akey Selbassian found her frozen solid
Speaker 1: dead obviously, And what they think might have happened was
Speaker 1: that because this lady knew how to work in machine.
Speaker 1: She used the machine for herself, worked there and was
Speaker 1: an advocate, so she knew the dangers. Um. So they're
Speaker 1: thinking is that maybe she bent down to pick something up,
Speaker 1: got too much nitrogen in her body because you need
Speaker 1: that proper mix of oxygen, and UH just passed out
Speaker 1: and then froze. Because they found that she died from afphixiation,
Speaker 1: not from being frozen, right, and she was. Had she
Speaker 1: taken one, maybe even two breaths, it would have been
Speaker 1: virtually pure nitrogen and at that concentration or that lack
Speaker 1: of oxygen um in the air she was breathing, it
Speaker 1: would just take one or two breaths for her to
Speaker 1: immediately lose consciousness. Once she lost consciousness, she was using
Speaker 1: this thing alone. There was no one to see her,
Speaker 1: which is why she didn't die of being frozen. To us,
Speaker 1: she died from asphyxiation. It's that inert gas asphyxiation that
Speaker 1: we talked about in the lethal injection episode. Like it
Speaker 1: just takes one or two breaths and that's it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And now Um stated in the Nevada has Um some
Speaker 1: recommended Uh. They basically said, hey, why don't you just
Speaker 1: say you've got to be over eighteen, you gotta be
Speaker 1: taller than five ft. Uh, no history of stroke, seizure
Speaker 1: or high blood pressure. It's almost like to write a
Speaker 1: roller coaster. Yeah, except for the age thing. Not be pregnant,
Speaker 1: and not have a pacemaker. And these are just suggested
Speaker 1: guidelines in Nevada at this point. Uh. And they also
Speaker 1: said it'd also be good if in your office you
Speaker 1: knew CPR and you had defibrillators and um, a working
Speaker 1: phone that could call a nine one one. But again
Speaker 1: all just recommendations at this point. They also Nevada also
Speaker 1: recommended that um spas who offer crowd therapy post signs
Speaker 1: that say, um, there's no scientific evidence that this does anything,
Speaker 1: so let's we'll talk about You to sign a waiver
Speaker 1: too that says I could die. You want to talk
Speaker 1: about the science after a break, so chuckers. Um, there's
Speaker 1: again there's a lot of people who are like, this
Speaker 1: is all whui, which is weird that it doesn't do
Speaker 1: anything beneficial. But the only thing that it's been shown
Speaker 1: to even remotely have an e act on is inflammation.
Speaker 1: There's very little um discussion about whether it affects inflammation. UM,
Speaker 1: and that's why Yamauchi originally was using this stuff too,
Speaker 1: to decrease the inflammation in uh rheumatoid arthritis suffers. Right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: so it definitely does decrease inflammation. But other than that,
Speaker 1: everything else is UM kind of a bogus claim, or
Speaker 1: at the very least, it's a claim that's not backed
Speaker 1: up by any real science. Yeah, and again there UM
Speaker 1: supposedly is mounting evidence that inflammation you don't want to
Speaker 1: reduce necessarily as an athlete, and that could be a
Speaker 1: vital part of the process of healing and regenerating. Uh So,
Speaker 1: in two thousand fifteen, there was one study UM that
Speaker 1: only had sixty four participants, And what I found was
Speaker 1: that they basically picked like young, fit, white dudes for
Speaker 1: the study, and you just can't do that if you're
Speaker 1: going to get an accurate uh result. And I think
Speaker 1: that's what happened. They got a result that most legit
Speaker 1: scientists have just had to throw out basically, Right, Well,
Speaker 1: the two thousand fifteen study was a survey, and it
Speaker 1: pooled all of the like all of the available studies,
Speaker 1: and all the available studies together only came to a
Speaker 1: population size of sixty four and Yeah, like you said,
Speaker 1: they were homogeneous basically, So that's not good. There's not
Speaker 1: a lot of investigation about this stuff. There's not a
Speaker 1: lot of oversight. Yeah. They found another two thousand twelve
Speaker 1: study that said they found no difference between cryotherapy and
Speaker 1: just the regular ice bath that um, like an athlete
Speaker 1: might take in the locker room. So why pay all
Speaker 1: this money to go to a cryotherapy session? So the
Speaker 1: people who say that say, well, your chances of hypothermia
Speaker 1: are a lot less because you're wet, Yeah, which makes sense. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Well you're not wet in the cryoson all right, So
Speaker 1: you're gonna your body is going to um maintain it's
Speaker 1: it's temperature a lot longer. It's not gonna lose its
Speaker 1: temperature heat as quickly. So it's not as dangerous as
Speaker 1: what some proponents would say, unless you're wet going in. Yeah,
Speaker 1: which has happened. This this story just is mind boggling
Speaker 1: to me. Which one the guy, um, the sprinter Yeah,
Speaker 1: who who really should have known better? Right? His name
Speaker 1: is um Justin Gatlin. He's an American sprinter for Team USA,
Speaker 1: world famous world class sprinter, right, um, And he was
Speaker 1: training down in Orlando for Korea, the World Games, I
Speaker 1: think the World Championships, and it was hot because it's
Speaker 1: almost always hot in Orlando, right, and he goes straight
Speaker 1: from his workout to the cry o sauna. Yeah, Like,
Speaker 1: what I want to know is why don't they have
Speaker 1: people with towels saying the one thing you don't want
Speaker 1: to do is get in here wet. Yeah, I just
Speaker 1: don't understand. I don't understand it either, But it's difference
Speaker 1: between oversight and just being dumb, right, And but you
Speaker 1: can make the case that he was very dumb. He
Speaker 1: walked right into the cryo um sauna wearing his wet
Speaker 1: socks still and I think possibly is wet. Shoot, and
Speaker 1: then he immediately got frostbite. Yeah, his feet froze and
Speaker 1: he ended up getting he was hobble basically couldn't even
Speaker 1: put on his running spikes, so I think he had
Speaker 1: to withdraw or no, he actually ran and got and
Speaker 1: lost the Usine bolt of Yeah, it lost big time.
Speaker 1: But apparently he's back to form according to this. But
Speaker 1: the problem was he got frostbite from wearing his socks
Speaker 1: and his shoes, and the blisters and the scars that
Speaker 1: formed after them were perfectly lined up with the tops
Speaker 1: of his socks and his running spikes because that's what
Speaker 1: he was wearing wet in the cryosana. So that's what what.
Speaker 1: At least one person has died. You can get hobbled
Speaker 1: from it, even if you're an elite athlete, if you're
Speaker 1: not using your noodle. Yeah. What else, Well, this one
Speaker 1: lady sued a company because, um, she got frostbite on
Speaker 1: her hands because they recommended she wear wet gloves. I
Speaker 1: have no idea why they would say this, but the
Speaker 1: recommendation was to wear wet gloves, and she ended up
Speaker 1: getting frost bite in her hands wet gloves, so that
Speaker 1: was it wasn't like accidental. They said you should wear
Speaker 1: wet gloves. So here's in this article. It's pretty great
Speaker 1: what the spas reply was to this lawsuit. They said that, um, hey,
Speaker 1: she signed a liability waiver and she wasn't ensuring her
Speaker 1: own safety. So apparently she should have been smart enough
Speaker 1: to not listen to them when they told her to
Speaker 1: wear wet gloves, is what the spas UM reply to
Speaker 1: the lawsuit was. One of the thoughts on why this
Speaker 1: might help is that it might just be a placebo effect. Well, okay, yes,
Speaker 1: so now we really I I it's I've been kind
Speaker 1: of obvious. We're both a little skeptical of this. I
Speaker 1: think it's fair to say, right, that's right. I'm not
Speaker 1: being judgment although, like, if you um want to try
Speaker 1: this and you feel like you're getting some sort of
Speaker 1: benefit from it, knock yourself out. Just do it safely
Speaker 1: and smartly, please um. But there the skepticism is largely
Speaker 1: centered around the idea that this is a placebo effect,
Speaker 1: especially with things like pain relief. Anything that goes beyond inflammation,
Speaker 1: uh is probably a placebo. Yeah. They did a study
Speaker 1: in Australian two thousand fourteen. They had thirty young men
Speaker 1: put them through what they call it high intensity workout.
Speaker 1: I said, they get sore, and then they divided them up.
Speaker 1: They had um fifteen minutes in one of three tubs
Speaker 1: very cold water and nothing like the cryotherapy, even just
Speaker 1: cold water. I think it said fifty degrees um, one
Speaker 1: body temperature water, and then one tub with body temperature
Speaker 1: water with magic soap. They basically said this soap will
Speaker 1: be beneficial for your recovery, and the results showed that
Speaker 1: they all had equal benefits. From the cold bath and
Speaker 1: the magic soap bath. Uh, and they reported you know,
Speaker 1: they all reported less soreness, basically equal between the cold
Speaker 1: and the magic soap bath and the magic so yeah,
Speaker 1: all three baths basically being equal. No, I think the
Speaker 1: normal bath didn't show as much improvement as the cold
Speaker 1: bath and the cold bath and magic soap bath. But
Speaker 1: regular warm, non magic soap bath was whatever. But that
Speaker 1: strongly suggests that there's a placebo effect in effect. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I kind of bungled. That's you get it. Everybody still
Speaker 1: loves the chuck. Okay, so um, yeah, this one, this
Speaker 1: was a this is weird. Do you have anything else?
Speaker 1: One more study from a lady named Dane Laroche from
Speaker 1: the University of New Hampshire two thousand thirteen study. He
Speaker 1: found no difference in soreness, of strength or strength between
Speaker 1: runners who iced and who didn't. Um, and like you said,
Speaker 1: there was a slight drop in inflammation, but muscular benefits
Speaker 1: were actually they what they did was what ice one
Speaker 1: leg and not the other, And the actually found muscular
Speaker 1: benefits from exercise were rader in the leg that didn't
Speaker 1: get iced, right, So maybe having the opposite effect, right,
Speaker 1: which makes sense. Again, Like number one, they're finding out
Speaker 1: that inflammation in the muscles is part of recovery. It's
Speaker 1: something you want, like you said, right, and to to
Speaker 1: work against that seems like that would reduce recovery and
Speaker 1: hence reduce performance afterwards. Like it might make your muscles
Speaker 1: ache less because they're not inflamed or engorged with blood,
Speaker 1: but it's not helping your performance, right, And that's ultimately
Speaker 1: what all the elite athletes are after they're they're looking
Speaker 1: to be better the next day rather than you know, like,
Speaker 1: oh my muscles ache, I don't want to feel them anymore. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I wonder how many things we were going to look
Speaker 1: back on today, Like we look back on ancient medicine.
Speaker 1: This is just like that road dwell Ville stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and think can you believe that in the people would
Speaker 1: get into nitrogen gas chambers yea and freeze themselves. That's
Speaker 1: why it's kind of like, what like this this? I
Speaker 1: thought this was behind us by like a hundred years
Speaker 1: or something, but we're still doing it. You know why?
Speaker 1: Because I think as long as there are humans on
Speaker 1: the earth, they're going to be looking for that fountain
Speaker 1: of youth. And you're gonna pay and try things that
Speaker 1: seems silly, but I will continue to keep an open
Speaker 1: mind about the possibility that this does have some sort
Speaker 1: of overlooked effect that we're not we don't understand yet,
Speaker 1: because it is pretty serious exposing yourself to that, Like
Speaker 1: that's just too pronounced of a difference than our norm.
Speaker 1: But that at the very least it sucks to go through.
Speaker 1: I'm never gonna try it. I don't even mind being cold. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think even if you don't mind being cold, you
Speaker 1: would mind us. It's probably like torture maybe so it
Speaker 1: looks like it. Yeah. Uh, if you want to know
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