1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:04,480 Speaker 1: This delightful program is brought to you by Squarespace, beautiful 2 00:00:04,519 --> 00:00:09,200 Speaker 1: websites for beautiful bands like Walk the Moon band dot com. 3 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:11,960 Speaker 1: So the name of their tour is talking is hard. 4 00:00:12,400 --> 00:00:15,120 Speaker 1: It's not that hard, guys. I'm doing it now. Most 5 00:00:15,160 --> 00:00:17,119 Speaker 1: of the time. I can't stop talking. I mean you 6 00:00:17,239 --> 00:00:19,119 Speaker 1: literally would have to cut me off one time. I 7 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:21,759 Speaker 1: told yeah, yeah, yeah, Alec Baldwin, we get it, you 8 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:24,840 Speaker 1: are talking too much. But you like square space and 9 00:00:24,880 --> 00:00:27,680 Speaker 1: we like square space, so we appreciate you getting on 10 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:30,880 Speaker 1: our podcast to help us plug one of our great sponsors. 11 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:35,400 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you should know from House Stuff Works 12 00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:44,920 Speaker 1: dot com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark. 13 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:49,600 Speaker 1: There's Charles w Chuck Bryant, there's Jerry Rowland. So that 14 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:54,320 Speaker 1: stuff you hi rolls and body. That's the second time 15 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:56,840 Speaker 1: I've been able to do that on this show. Do 16 00:00:56,960 --> 00:01:02,360 Speaker 1: you remember the first one? Cryonics colon high Frozen Body 17 00:01:02,720 --> 00:01:06,720 Speaker 1: Exclamation August two thousand eleven. But cryonics is not the 18 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:11,000 Speaker 1: same thing as cryotherapy. So if you think you guys 19 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:14,840 Speaker 1: are doubling up already, nope, Well they could even toss 20 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:18,080 Speaker 1: out medically induced hypothermia. We did that one to all different, 21 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:24,039 Speaker 1: totally different, mostly different. Um No, we're talking cryotherapy. It's 22 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:28,840 Speaker 1: um specifically whole body cryotherapy because cryo therapy has been 23 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:30,440 Speaker 1: around for a really long time. Have you ever had 24 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:34,520 Speaker 1: a wart? No? Oh, you never had this happen to you. Well, 25 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:36,560 Speaker 1: actually I did have. Um I forgot, I had the 26 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:40,560 Speaker 1: planner warts on my feet. You get them burned off? Um? 27 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 1: I did not? Pleasant. Yeah, and those are a bugger. 28 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:45,920 Speaker 1: I used to get warts here there when I was 29 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:48,520 Speaker 1: a kid. I would go to the doctor and it 30 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:51,280 Speaker 1: would open a freezer and take out like a this 31 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:57,120 Speaker 1: crazy metal thervice not a jar, boards that they collected. Yeah. 32 00:01:57,120 --> 00:01:58,560 Speaker 1: I thought they feed them to you and that's how 33 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:02,560 Speaker 1: you get rid of your words. Yeah, I think it is. 34 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:05,880 Speaker 1: When my mom would take me to the witch, and 35 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:09,200 Speaker 1: that's how I would get rid of my um No. 36 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:11,440 Speaker 1: They would just take it, take a little swab of 37 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:13,960 Speaker 1: this stuff and like put the swab onto your wart 38 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:17,400 Speaker 1: and it would just burn it off, like they burned 39 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:21,280 Speaker 1: it by freezing it. Yeah, because they're using liquid nitrogen. 40 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:24,240 Speaker 1: It was so cold that it burns it basically just 41 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:27,440 Speaker 1: burns tissue. You know what I actually have at home 42 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 1: right now? I have a spray can of medical freezing 43 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 1: spray because I used to go to the doctor to 44 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:39,960 Speaker 1: get my skin tags removed because my body is just 45 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:42,320 Speaker 1: lousy with them here in my old age. And then 46 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:44,240 Speaker 1: you just finally just stole the can so you can 47 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:46,280 Speaker 1: do it yourself. Didn't steal a can. I bought a can. 48 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:51,640 Speaker 1: You can buy the bo yeah on the Amazon bought okay, 49 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:54,800 Speaker 1: And I got a little uh, the little sharp clipper, 50 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:59,359 Speaker 1: not nail clippers, but like um scissors, No, not scissors. 51 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:01,400 Speaker 1: It's sort of been between the nail clipper and a scissor. 52 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:03,520 Speaker 1: It looks like something you get out a hardware store. 53 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:05,880 Speaker 1: Is it like scissors? But then the ends bent at 54 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 1: like a forty five degree angle. No, they look like 55 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:11,160 Speaker 1: just a pair of dykes, like in a toolbox. But 56 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:15,360 Speaker 1: there for your toe and fingernail kit. I don't know 57 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:17,919 Speaker 1: what those are. I'll just show them to you, Okay. 58 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:21,919 Speaker 1: So anyway, I'm gonna start blasting them and cutting them 59 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:25,560 Speaker 1: off myself, or I'm gonna have Emily do it. Yeah, 60 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:29,359 Speaker 1: please take a video of this or Facebook live it. Yeah. Yeah, 61 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:32,160 Speaker 1: that's the new thing. Yeah, look out for that people's book. 62 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:37,200 Speaker 1: It's uh, it's their version of periscope. Yeah, I'm sure 63 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:41,160 Speaker 1: they don't really like that, but that's exactly what we're 64 00:03:41,160 --> 00:03:48,040 Speaker 1: gonna try it out. That's medical uh burning of Moleska. 65 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:52,520 Speaker 1: Bring your little clippers and your medical freezing spray on 66 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:55,280 Speaker 1: tour and I will film it and we'll just see 67 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 1: what happened. I don't know if I could get that 68 00:03:56,680 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 1: through security. You just have to throw it over the 69 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 1: detector and as you go through and catch it on 70 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:06,040 Speaker 1: the other I think. So that's what I learned in 71 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 1: Boondocks Saints. Oh man, what a movie man, that guy 72 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:14,720 Speaker 1: I wanted. I've never seen the documentary about Tony Duffy. 73 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:17,640 Speaker 1: I can't remember. I think it was the bar Owner 74 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:22,640 Speaker 1: turned um like Hollywood wonder Kin for guy who blew it? 75 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:25,800 Speaker 1: All right, Troy Duffy, great documentary. That's his name is 76 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:29,919 Speaker 1: Troy Duffy. I want to see it, alright. So movie 77 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:35,039 Speaker 1: sidetracked already. Oh, carylo therapy. I'm sorry. So when you 78 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:40,800 Speaker 1: take liquid nitrogen UM, that's really how sidetracked. I just 79 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 1: got like I forgot what we were talking about for 80 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 1: a second. When you take liquid nitrogen and put it 81 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:50,840 Speaker 1: on your tissue, that's um local cryotherapy. That's like, that's 82 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:53,640 Speaker 1: there's no question that that actually works and what it does, 83 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:56,920 Speaker 1: we understand it. The whole body crowd therapy is different. 84 00:04:57,080 --> 00:05:00,679 Speaker 1: It's kind of this trendy new thing in the health 85 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:04,320 Speaker 1: and metas spots where you basically get into what they 86 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:08,640 Speaker 1: call a cold sauna and are exposed to liquid nitrogen 87 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:13,640 Speaker 1: gas and they're supposedly has a whole range of health benefits, 88 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 1: which should immediately set off your skeptical antenna. Yeah, if 89 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:20,080 Speaker 1: something like Cure's ten ailments, it sounds a lot like 90 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:24,000 Speaker 1: snake old, especially when the ailments are very vague. Yeah, 91 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 1: you want to I want is I want something that 92 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:30,440 Speaker 1: cures the one ailment I have? Right? Not, Hey, it 93 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 1: will help with these eight things. Yeah, And I'm not 94 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:36,120 Speaker 1: faulting anybody who's saying like, well, we don't know that 95 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:39,599 Speaker 1: this how it works. We just know it works, because 96 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:42,719 Speaker 1: a lot of Western medicine has no idea how their 97 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 1: effective treatments work. They just know they do work. So 98 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:48,680 Speaker 1: there's there's I have no issue with that. The problem 99 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:51,039 Speaker 1: with cryotherapy is we should just say right off the 100 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:54,840 Speaker 1: bat is there's really no scientific evidence that this works 101 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:58,279 Speaker 1: at all. Um it has maybe a little bit of 102 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:02,719 Speaker 1: um an impact done inflammation. But well, we'll get to 103 00:06:02,760 --> 00:06:05,320 Speaker 1: all that. I'm getting ahead of ourselves. Don't spoil it, 104 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:08,800 Speaker 1: Sorry he did. Should we edit that part out? No, 105 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:12,120 Speaker 1: let's leave it in there. But first, let's go back 106 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:14,719 Speaker 1: to Japan in the nineteen seventies. Let's take the way 107 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:23,560 Speaker 1: back machine, which I bet Japan in the seventies was 108 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:27,480 Speaker 1: a pretty fun place to be. Yes to the office 109 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:32,480 Speaker 1: of Dr Toshima. Is it Yama Yamauchi, and he was 110 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:36,880 Speaker 1: supposedly the first guy, the first doctor to actually use cryotherapy, 111 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:39,000 Speaker 1: and in his case, he used it to help treat 112 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:43,200 Speaker 1: rheumatoid arthritis patients. Still doing it. Oh, I'm sure he 113 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:45,919 Speaker 1: has a clinic on an island called I believe Kyushu. 114 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:48,840 Speaker 1: I thought it was gonna be Yamauchi Island. It might 115 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:51,360 Speaker 1: as well be. I'm sure that guy is getting loaded 116 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:56,320 Speaker 1: these days. Money not well maybe both Oka Hi hi 117 00:06:56,600 --> 00:07:00,400 Speaker 1: high end Japanese Scotch and money. Yeah, Japanese scott just 118 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:04,400 Speaker 1: good stuff. But yes it is. Did you know seriously? 119 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:11,000 Speaker 1: Um uh Crown Royal rye one like world's best whiskey. Recently, 120 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:13,040 Speaker 1: this is the second time he told everybody, just so 121 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 1: astounded by it I have yet to try it, actually 122 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:18,000 Speaker 1: I have, you know, but we'll try it on the 123 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 1: road maybe if we can get our hands on some. 124 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:24,360 Speaker 1: So Yamauchi was trying it with the rumatroid arthritis patients 125 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 1: and then it's spread through Europe and eventually made its 126 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 1: way over here where it became has become a very 127 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:34,560 Speaker 1: trendy thing. And of course celebrities, if they're in on it, 128 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:38,080 Speaker 1: then you know it's the latest in Yeah, maybe not 129 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:41,880 Speaker 1: greatest treatment because celebrities they're just like us, yeah, except 130 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:44,920 Speaker 1: that more money to waste on frivolous things. So um, 131 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:47,320 Speaker 1: I love how you just kind of glossed over it. 132 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 1: But how it got here Apparently in the Soviet block 133 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:52,720 Speaker 1: they picked up on this treatment that was being used 134 00:07:52,760 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 1: for rumor troid arthritis in Japan Soviet athletes, and you know, 135 00:07:57,440 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 1: it probably wasn't by choice back then. They were forced 136 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:04,000 Speaker 1: into these things, right, you know, like the all Drug 137 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 1: Olympics guy like get down off the uh the balance 138 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:10,040 Speaker 1: beam and get in that get in that cold saunta 139 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:13,000 Speaker 1: cold sauna. Yeah. But the whole idea um that this 140 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:16,600 Speaker 1: is that this there's some sort of benefit health benefit 141 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:21,320 Speaker 1: the cold. It doesn't lie with Yamauchi. Um, there's it 142 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:24,200 Speaker 1: goes back quite a long way. Um, there's this whole 143 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:28,520 Speaker 1: idea that taking a cold plunge, cold water immersion like 144 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:32,079 Speaker 1: the Polar Bear clubs. Yeah, and Finland they call it 145 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:34,760 Speaker 1: of a two in Ti. So they get in the 146 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:39,199 Speaker 1: sauna and then they run out and their bear skin underwear. 147 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:42,840 Speaker 1: Yes is this Finland, and they jump in the cold, 148 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:45,840 Speaker 1: icy waters of the nearby lake. And uh, it's supposed 149 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:50,800 Speaker 1: to rejuvenate them and make them gasp for air their 150 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:55,880 Speaker 1: body heels. It's it's supposed to improve mood, well, increase 151 00:08:55,920 --> 00:08:59,679 Speaker 1: your metabolism, do all sorts of crazy stuff. But this 152 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:04,600 Speaker 1: whole idea, um, that that has health benefits. I was 153 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:07,199 Speaker 1: very surprised. I figured I would find like, oh, the 154 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:10,079 Speaker 1: Finns were the ones who started this, or may be 155 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:13,480 Speaker 1: in Iceland or something like that. Um. I couldn't find 156 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:18,160 Speaker 1: anything that talked about the history of ice swimming. UM. 157 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 1: Further back than what this article comes up with, which 158 00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:27,080 Speaker 1: is a guy in New York named Professor Sugarman Sugarman. Yeah, 159 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:33,520 Speaker 1: surely Sugarman sugar Man. Yeah, what was that in the 160 00:09:33,559 --> 00:09:37,280 Speaker 1: eight hundreds when he was the human polar bear and 161 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:40,400 Speaker 1: he would get into the icy rivers in New York 162 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:43,520 Speaker 1: and um, he was a help guy and so he said, 163 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:45,960 Speaker 1: this is helping my body out. You should do it. 164 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:48,160 Speaker 1: You know, you think I'm crazy. And by the way, 165 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:53,440 Speaker 1: Graham Cracker's cure masturbation, is that a thing? Oh yeah, really, dude, 166 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:56,480 Speaker 1: We've got to do like that whole road Dwellville sometimes. 167 00:09:56,880 --> 00:10:00,920 Speaker 1: That was such an interesting Yeah, believe so from the 168 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 1: serial Kellogg Kellogg. But there was a doctor Graham who 169 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:06,360 Speaker 1: came up with Graham Crackers. Um, like there was a 170 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:08,960 Speaker 1: whole bunch of crazy thinking at that time. That was 171 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:12,720 Speaker 1: really interesting. I saw that movie way back when. But 172 00:10:12,760 --> 00:10:16,160 Speaker 1: it's been a while, Anthony Hopkins, right, yeah, and I 173 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 1: think I wasn't Matthew Broderick in it. I feel like 174 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:22,840 Speaker 1: it's been a while. It wasn't made in the late eighties. Yeah, 175 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:26,440 Speaker 1: Matthew Broderick. It was the one that he was in 176 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:28,679 Speaker 1: The Freshman. Did you ever see that with Bruno Kirby 177 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 1: and part of that just the other day? Actually? Yeah? Yeah? 178 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:35,280 Speaker 1: And I thought how odd that Brando would agree to 179 00:10:35,679 --> 00:10:38,640 Speaker 1: reprise his role from the Godfather in a comedic way, 180 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:42,480 Speaker 1: kind of like de Niro has done to lesser success. 181 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:46,160 Speaker 1: You know what else? Was a good Brando movie? Um 182 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:50,840 Speaker 1: don Juan DeMarco. Yeah, not bad. Yeah, I liked it, 183 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:54,280 Speaker 1: although I'm speaking from like when you saw it back then. Yeah, 184 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:55,800 Speaker 1: I haven't seen it in a long time. I bet 185 00:10:55,800 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 1: it holds up. I bet it's very relevant timely in 186 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 1: top cool. I'll chopo all over the so. Uh, like 187 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:07,679 Speaker 1: you said, they have done some studies that found it 188 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:11,880 Speaker 1: doing the ice swims helps reduce chronic pain. But I'll 189 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:13,480 Speaker 1: just go ahead and say this about all these studies, 190 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:15,080 Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about a lot of them. They're just 191 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:17,200 Speaker 1: all over the map, and none of them are very 192 00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:20,240 Speaker 1: controlled or very good. Yeah, so it's hard to really 193 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:22,760 Speaker 1: make a judgment call when you're not doing the good research. 194 00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:26,360 Speaker 1: So the jumping in a lake um as part of 195 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:29,240 Speaker 1: a polar Bear club to make yourself guess have you 196 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 1: already done that? Not jumping in a lake, but gone 197 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:33,640 Speaker 1: into like a cold water bath? Well we jump we 198 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:36,480 Speaker 1: Yeah I did it in high school and a frozen lake. Oh, 199 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:39,679 Speaker 1: so you have done that. Yeah, there was a church 200 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:43,079 Speaker 1: camp that had a big, like fifty ft slide into 201 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:44,760 Speaker 1: the lake and in the summer it's a lovely thing 202 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:47,360 Speaker 1: and in the winter, you know, the guys were like, well, 203 00:11:47,400 --> 00:11:49,880 Speaker 1: we're gonna do it, right, and we did it. And 204 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 1: did you go Jesus No, I didn't know. Were you like, 205 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:57,920 Speaker 1: oh this is I mean, how long were you in there? Spill? 206 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:00,240 Speaker 1: I had no idea. Well, I slid in and then 207 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:04,560 Speaker 1: quickly swammed ashore and got out and got warm and 208 00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 1: ended up on the cover of guide posts shivering in 209 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:12,120 Speaker 1: your little um polar bear skin bathing suits. Yeah. And 210 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:13,880 Speaker 1: by the way, people who sent in that cover of 211 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:16,480 Speaker 1: guide posts that they thought might have been me good 212 00:12:16,520 --> 00:12:19,360 Speaker 1: investigative skills, because the way I described it, it it could 213 00:12:19,360 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 1: have very well have been me, but it was not me. 214 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:26,760 Speaker 1: That one's yet to be found. So um, this idea 215 00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:30,240 Speaker 1: of jumping in the lake, it's it kind of it's somehow, 216 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:35,080 Speaker 1: not sure how made its way into sports medicine, where 217 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:38,520 Speaker 1: it became very big cold water immersion. Yeah. Like you 218 00:12:38,559 --> 00:12:40,760 Speaker 1: see the NFL player sitting in like an ice tub 219 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:46,760 Speaker 1: after a game. He likes his ice paths um. And 220 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:48,760 Speaker 1: the whole, the whole idea behind it is that you 221 00:12:48,920 --> 00:12:53,559 Speaker 1: just exerted your muscles, right, and when you exert your muscles, um, 222 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:58,640 Speaker 1: they become basically infused and swollen with blood. Right, So 223 00:12:58,679 --> 00:13:01,840 Speaker 1: one of the reasons your muscles ache after exercises because 224 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:05,920 Speaker 1: they're swollen like their their tissue is is just larger 225 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:09,160 Speaker 1: than normal and it causes this ache. When you immerse 226 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:13,360 Speaker 1: yourself in water, the thinking goes, the hydrostatic pressure outside 227 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:18,000 Speaker 1: of your body draws the fluid toward your skin, so 228 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:21,000 Speaker 1: it draws it out of the muscles and eventually back 229 00:13:21,040 --> 00:13:24,720 Speaker 1: into the blood vessels, so it creates or it lessens 230 00:13:24,760 --> 00:13:29,079 Speaker 1: that aching thing. The problem is, if you're using cold 231 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:32,160 Speaker 1: water immersion for that kind of thing, it doesn't really 232 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 1: make any sense because cold water immersion creates vaso constriction, 233 00:13:36,520 --> 00:13:38,960 Speaker 1: which means it makes your blood vessels smaller, which would 234 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:43,920 Speaker 1: make them less apt to accept the blood from the muscles. Well, 235 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:47,080 Speaker 1: there's some people that think it's actually has the reverse 236 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:51,200 Speaker 1: effect and it's not doing what it says that it's doing. 237 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:53,520 Speaker 1: But like I said, the opposite. Did you see that 238 00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:56,240 Speaker 1: study that I sent you, which one the one that 239 00:13:56,320 --> 00:13:58,560 Speaker 1: had like it was the discussion part had just like 240 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:01,000 Speaker 1: a couple of different I don't think so. Well. There's 241 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:03,400 Speaker 1: this one study I came across, and it was basically 242 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:06,480 Speaker 1: a survey of studies and it it showed like this 243 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:12,199 Speaker 1: study found that these people's um cycling ability after a 244 00:14:12,280 --> 00:14:15,600 Speaker 1: cold water immersion, like after not you jump in an 245 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:17,520 Speaker 1: ice bath and then jump on a cycle like the 246 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:21,080 Speaker 1: day after, their cycling ability dropped from like you know 247 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:27,280 Speaker 1: to just and the only the only factor involved was 248 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:31,160 Speaker 1: cold water immersion. Uh. There's another guy named Joseph Costello. 249 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:35,440 Speaker 1: He's an exercise physiologist from the University of Portsmouth in 250 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:38,520 Speaker 1: the UK, and he said that there's more evidence coming 251 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:44,760 Speaker 1: out that inflammation, uh is actually part of the recovery process. 252 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:48,640 Speaker 1: So you don't want to stop your inflammation, Uh, you 253 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:50,480 Speaker 1: want to embrace it. I guess right. Well, one of 254 00:14:50,520 --> 00:14:53,960 Speaker 1: the ways that your muscles adapt is by basically being 255 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:57,920 Speaker 1: torn and rebuilding themselves, and they do that through inflammation. Yeah, 256 00:14:57,960 --> 00:14:59,440 Speaker 1: and that was by the way, I read an article 257 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:03,200 Speaker 1: from wash Post called the Big Chill Cryotherapy Maybe trendy, 258 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:05,920 Speaker 1: but does it work? It doesn't sound the way. Not 259 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:08,120 Speaker 1: only does it not work like you were saying, like 260 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:11,360 Speaker 1: Costello's finding, there seems to be more and more evidence 261 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:13,960 Speaker 1: that it actually has a detrimental effect where if you're 262 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:17,160 Speaker 1: an elite athlete, you do not want to do cold 263 00:15:17,160 --> 00:15:19,600 Speaker 1: water immersion. Yeah, all right, Well let's take a break 264 00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:21,840 Speaker 1: and we'll talk a little bit about kind of the 265 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:46,840 Speaker 1: cost and what's going on today with this stuff. All right, 266 00:15:46,920 --> 00:15:49,880 Speaker 1: josh U, a little bit of the nuts and bolts 267 00:15:49,880 --> 00:15:52,680 Speaker 1: on cryotherapy these days. You will go. If you're in 268 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:56,640 Speaker 1: a big city, you probably already have a cryo spa. Um, 269 00:15:56,760 --> 00:16:02,320 Speaker 1: it's probably just some some spa bought one of these machines. Yeah, yeah, 270 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 1: I don't mean it's dedicated to cry out spotting. Well 271 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:11,280 Speaker 1: maybe there's some in the biggest of cities cities, but 272 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:13,600 Speaker 1: you know, look it up on your internet machine and 273 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:15,120 Speaker 1: if you want to go check it out, you can. 274 00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:17,880 Speaker 1: It will cost you about forty or fifty bucks. Or 275 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:20,560 Speaker 1: you can get like a monthly membership. I saw one 276 00:16:20,680 --> 00:16:23,520 Speaker 1: and um Minnesota, which I don't know why, they just 277 00:16:23,560 --> 00:16:27,200 Speaker 1: don't go outside in the winter and accomplished the same thing. 278 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:30,240 Speaker 1: But it was four and fifty dollars a month. But 279 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:33,880 Speaker 1: you're unlimited cryotherapy and you don't want to use it 280 00:16:33,920 --> 00:16:35,440 Speaker 1: more than once a day. So I did the math, 281 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:37,800 Speaker 1: and that's still the savings of about six hundred bucks 282 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:41,880 Speaker 1: if you went every day. Yeah, I wonder how much 283 00:16:41,880 --> 00:16:44,680 Speaker 1: it costs to buy one of those. I'm sure it 284 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:46,880 Speaker 1: would pay for itself in ten years. And I wonder 285 00:16:46,920 --> 00:16:48,960 Speaker 1: if you can eventually just put a tabletop on it 286 00:16:49,080 --> 00:16:52,239 Speaker 1: and double it as a dining table once you inevitably 287 00:16:52,280 --> 00:16:56,720 Speaker 1: quit using it to put a lamp on it. Uh 288 00:16:56,800 --> 00:16:59,400 Speaker 1: so four to your fifty bucks a pop, um, and 289 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:02,920 Speaker 1: you will be in the it's really really cold, and um, 290 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:06,080 Speaker 1: it's I think that's an understatement. Yeah, and it's gas. 291 00:17:06,119 --> 00:17:08,400 Speaker 1: We need to be really clear. You're not in cold water. 292 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:12,680 Speaker 1: It's dry gas, and that's what saves you from things 293 00:17:12,680 --> 00:17:15,879 Speaker 1: like frost bite or freezing to death or getting hypothermia, 294 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:19,200 Speaker 1: because that's right, it's gas. That liquid nitrogen, when it's 295 00:17:19,240 --> 00:17:22,040 Speaker 1: exposed to the warmer temperatures of the air and it's 296 00:17:22,080 --> 00:17:25,879 Speaker 1: released into that thing, immediately gasifies. Yeah. And we're talking 297 00:17:26,080 --> 00:17:30,760 Speaker 1: negative two hundred and fifty six degrees fahrenheit or hundred 298 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:34,400 Speaker 1: and sixty degrees celsius right negative. That is colder than 299 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:36,960 Speaker 1: anything on planet Earth. Right. So if you could find 300 00:17:37,359 --> 00:17:42,800 Speaker 1: liquid that remained liquid at those low temperatures, right, um, 301 00:17:43,119 --> 00:17:46,800 Speaker 1: you would basically immediately die when you immerse yourself in it. 302 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:50,119 Speaker 1: And the reason why gas you can expose yourself to 303 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:53,520 Speaker 1: temperatures of gas like that rather than liquid, because liquid 304 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:56,359 Speaker 1: is UM has a higher heat capacity, which means it 305 00:17:56,560 --> 00:18:00,400 Speaker 1: absorbs heat more readily, and it's a great conductor of heat, 306 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:03,800 Speaker 1: so it wits that heat away from your body. UM 307 00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:09,000 Speaker 1: I think twenty five times faster than air does. So 308 00:18:09,080 --> 00:18:13,240 Speaker 1: you can withstand this this cold cold temperatures again negative 309 00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:17,439 Speaker 1: two d and fifty six degrees fahrenheit. Right, that's the 310 00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:20,959 Speaker 1: coldest temperature on Earth right there in that little cryo sauna. 311 00:18:21,040 --> 00:18:24,600 Speaker 1: There's nowhere else on Earth that's even remotely close to that. UM. 312 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:27,040 Speaker 1: But you can withstand it for a certain amount of time, 313 00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:31,119 Speaker 1: Like I think three minutes is the maximum time that 314 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:33,840 Speaker 1: they suggest. They say two to three minutes is, which 315 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:36,720 Speaker 1: I guess that's a plus. You pop in there, you're 316 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:38,800 Speaker 1: gone five minutes later. Oh yeah, If you want one 317 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:41,439 Speaker 1: of these things, it's like printing your own money aside 318 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:44,920 Speaker 1: from the lawsuit payoff UM. And you will, like I said, 319 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:48,240 Speaker 1: two to three minutes at the most, and it penetrates 320 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:51,040 Speaker 1: no more than a half millimeter below the surface of 321 00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:54,560 Speaker 1: the skin UM in the case of the gas. And 322 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:56,520 Speaker 1: here are some of the things they say will help 323 00:18:56,560 --> 00:19:01,240 Speaker 1: with UM anytime. The first one is destroys toxins, and 324 00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:04,600 Speaker 1: my radar is up. Yeah, because that's such a broad claim. 325 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:09,439 Speaker 1: You know, uh, increases metabolism, that's another one that so 326 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:13,520 Speaker 1: you'll actually lose weight, right, boost your immune system, and 327 00:19:13,840 --> 00:19:17,040 Speaker 1: slow aging. Like all of these sounds like something you'd 328 00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:19,240 Speaker 1: see on the subway at in New York. What are 329 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:24,199 Speaker 1: the four broadest health concerns you have? Human? Yeah, well, 330 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:27,280 Speaker 1: that happens to take care of all of them. I'm 331 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:29,639 Speaker 1: surprised it doesn't say like, helps you get sleep or 332 00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:33,560 Speaker 1: helps you if you're getting too much sleep. Right, there's 333 00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:37,600 Speaker 1: probably a spot advertises that. Probably so. And the reason 334 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:41,520 Speaker 1: that they can do this is because, chuck, it's unregulated. Yeah, 335 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:46,639 Speaker 1: there are some states that now offer suggestions on I 336 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:51,000 Speaker 1: believe one state, just one, Nevada, the one where a 337 00:19:51,080 --> 00:19:54,200 Speaker 1: lady died doing it. Well, let's go ahead and talk 338 00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:59,200 Speaker 1: about her, because we're not laughing at her a tragic accident, 339 00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:02,400 Speaker 1: because it was awful. We're laughing at the ridiculous lack 340 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:07,760 Speaker 1: of oversight on this extraordinarily dangerous machine. Exactly. This was 341 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:13,800 Speaker 1: in the July, a place called Rejuvenile rejuven Ice. But 342 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:17,040 Speaker 1: think for real with that, Yeah, I think so maybe 343 00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:21,000 Speaker 1: that's an all cryospa. It's a med spa and Henderson, Nevada, 344 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:25,080 Speaker 1: and um, this lady who worked there when in one 345 00:20:25,119 --> 00:20:27,520 Speaker 1: day and notice that the machine was already on, and 346 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:30,960 Speaker 1: then on the floor next to the machine, she's oh, 347 00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:35,080 Speaker 1: she was still in the machine with it on. Oh. 348 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:36,680 Speaker 1: I didn't think you could lay down in this thing. 349 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:38,240 Speaker 1: I thought it just set you up with your next 350 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:41,439 Speaker 1: sticking out. I think she crumpled. Okay, Yeah, so this 351 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:43,840 Speaker 1: thing is kind of shaped like a barrel. Um. It's 352 00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:45,560 Speaker 1: not like a bed that you laid down in. No, 353 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:50,120 Speaker 1: it's like you remember that one um or onlike old 354 00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:54,040 Speaker 1: timey cartoons where like a guy's taking a Schwitz like 355 00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:56,760 Speaker 1: they go into that machine and like their head sticks out, 356 00:20:56,800 --> 00:21:00,600 Speaker 1: but inside it's basically like a wet sauna. I don't 357 00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:03,640 Speaker 1: know what you speak, I can picture it. Okay, say 358 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:05,480 Speaker 1: you got into an iron lung and then they stood 359 00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:09,120 Speaker 1: you up. Okay, looks like that. Well, at any rate, 360 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:13,160 Speaker 1: she found her coworker, um Chelsea, I have no idea 361 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:21,240 Speaker 1: how to bring a akey Selbassian found her frozen solid 362 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:26,399 Speaker 1: dead obviously, And what they think might have happened was 363 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:28,119 Speaker 1: that because this lady knew how to work in machine. 364 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:31,240 Speaker 1: She used the machine for herself, worked there and was 365 00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:34,400 Speaker 1: an advocate, so she knew the dangers. Um. So they're 366 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:37,560 Speaker 1: thinking is that maybe she bent down to pick something up, 367 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:40,560 Speaker 1: got too much nitrogen in her body because you need 368 00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:44,880 Speaker 1: that proper mix of oxygen, and UH just passed out 369 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:48,280 Speaker 1: and then froze. Because they found that she died from afphixiation, 370 00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:51,280 Speaker 1: not from being frozen, right, and she was. Had she 371 00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:55,000 Speaker 1: taken one, maybe even two breaths, it would have been 372 00:21:55,320 --> 00:22:00,960 Speaker 1: virtually pure nitrogen and at that concentration or that lack 373 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:04,360 Speaker 1: of oxygen um in the air she was breathing, it 374 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:06,439 Speaker 1: would just take one or two breaths for her to 375 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:10,359 Speaker 1: immediately lose consciousness. Once she lost consciousness, she was using 376 00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:12,720 Speaker 1: this thing alone. There was no one to see her, 377 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:16,199 Speaker 1: which is why she didn't die of being frozen. To us, 378 00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:20,240 Speaker 1: she died from asphyxiation. It's that inert gas asphyxiation that 379 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:22,960 Speaker 1: we talked about in the lethal injection episode. Like it 380 00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:25,480 Speaker 1: just takes one or two breaths and that's it. Yeah, 381 00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:28,200 Speaker 1: And now Um stated in the Nevada has Um some 382 00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:34,679 Speaker 1: recommended Uh. They basically said, hey, why don't you just 383 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:36,720 Speaker 1: say you've got to be over eighteen, you gotta be 384 00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:40,200 Speaker 1: taller than five ft. Uh, no history of stroke, seizure 385 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:42,040 Speaker 1: or high blood pressure. It's almost like to write a 386 00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:46,240 Speaker 1: roller coaster. Yeah, except for the age thing. Not be pregnant, 387 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:48,680 Speaker 1: and not have a pacemaker. And these are just suggested 388 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:52,200 Speaker 1: guidelines in Nevada at this point. Uh. And they also 389 00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:55,000 Speaker 1: said it'd also be good if in your office you 390 00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:58,880 Speaker 1: knew CPR and you had defibrillators and um, a working 391 00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:02,240 Speaker 1: phone that could call a nine one one. But again 392 00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:05,600 Speaker 1: all just recommendations at this point. They also Nevada also 393 00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:10,160 Speaker 1: recommended that um spas who offer crowd therapy post signs 394 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:14,760 Speaker 1: that say, um, there's no scientific evidence that this does anything, 395 00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:16,920 Speaker 1: so let's we'll talk about You to sign a waiver 396 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:21,040 Speaker 1: too that says I could die. You want to talk 397 00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:49,080 Speaker 1: about the science after a break, so chuckers. Um, there's 398 00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:51,040 Speaker 1: again there's a lot of people who are like, this 399 00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:54,040 Speaker 1: is all whui, which is weird that it doesn't do 400 00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:58,600 Speaker 1: anything beneficial. But the only thing that it's been shown 401 00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:01,800 Speaker 1: to even remotely have an e act on is inflammation. 402 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:08,680 Speaker 1: There's very little um discussion about whether it affects inflammation. UM, 403 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:12,320 Speaker 1: and that's why Yamauchi originally was using this stuff too, 404 00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:17,880 Speaker 1: to decrease the inflammation in uh rheumatoid arthritis suffers. Right, Yeah, 405 00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:22,080 Speaker 1: so it definitely does decrease inflammation. But other than that, 406 00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:25,920 Speaker 1: everything else is UM kind of a bogus claim, or 407 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:27,639 Speaker 1: at the very least, it's a claim that's not backed 408 00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:30,879 Speaker 1: up by any real science. Yeah, and again there UM 409 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:34,600 Speaker 1: supposedly is mounting evidence that inflammation you don't want to 410 00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:37,520 Speaker 1: reduce necessarily as an athlete, and that could be a 411 00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:41,359 Speaker 1: vital part of the process of healing and regenerating. Uh So, 412 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:44,399 Speaker 1: in two thousand fifteen, there was one study UM that 413 00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:48,720 Speaker 1: only had sixty four participants, And what I found was 414 00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:54,119 Speaker 1: that they basically picked like young, fit, white dudes for 415 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:56,240 Speaker 1: the study, and you just can't do that if you're 416 00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:59,120 Speaker 1: going to get an accurate uh result. And I think 417 00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:02,320 Speaker 1: that's what happened. They got a result that most legit 418 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:05,600 Speaker 1: scientists have just had to throw out basically, Right, Well, 419 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:07,760 Speaker 1: the two thousand fifteen study was a survey, and it 420 00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:11,520 Speaker 1: pooled all of the like all of the available studies, 421 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:15,600 Speaker 1: and all the available studies together only came to a 422 00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:18,960 Speaker 1: population size of sixty four and Yeah, like you said, 423 00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:23,480 Speaker 1: they were homogeneous basically, So that's not good. There's not 424 00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:25,800 Speaker 1: a lot of investigation about this stuff. There's not a 425 00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:29,119 Speaker 1: lot of oversight. Yeah. They found another two thousand twelve 426 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:34,080 Speaker 1: study that said they found no difference between cryotherapy and 427 00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:37,439 Speaker 1: just the regular ice bath that um, like an athlete 428 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:41,159 Speaker 1: might take in the locker room. So why pay all 429 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:43,760 Speaker 1: this money to go to a cryotherapy session? So the 430 00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:46,800 Speaker 1: people who say that say, well, your chances of hypothermia 431 00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:49,800 Speaker 1: are a lot less because you're wet, Yeah, which makes sense. Yeah, 432 00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:52,280 Speaker 1: Well you're not wet in the cryoson all right, So 433 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:56,080 Speaker 1: you're gonna your body is going to um maintain it's 434 00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:58,760 Speaker 1: it's temperature a lot longer. It's not gonna lose its 435 00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:02,199 Speaker 1: temperature heat as quickly. So it's not as dangerous as 436 00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:05,800 Speaker 1: what some proponents would say, unless you're wet going in. Yeah, 437 00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:10,280 Speaker 1: which has happened. This this story just is mind boggling 438 00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:13,920 Speaker 1: to me. Which one the guy, um, the sprinter Yeah, 439 00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:16,680 Speaker 1: who who really should have known better? Right? His name 440 00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:21,240 Speaker 1: is um Justin Gatlin. He's an American sprinter for Team USA, 441 00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:24,720 Speaker 1: world famous world class sprinter, right, um, And he was 442 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:29,119 Speaker 1: training down in Orlando for Korea, the World Games, I 443 00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:31,720 Speaker 1: think the World Championships, and it was hot because it's 444 00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:35,359 Speaker 1: almost always hot in Orlando, right, and he goes straight 445 00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:38,880 Speaker 1: from his workout to the cry o sauna. Yeah, Like, 446 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:40,240 Speaker 1: what I want to know is why don't they have 447 00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:43,280 Speaker 1: people with towels saying the one thing you don't want 448 00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:45,600 Speaker 1: to do is get in here wet. Yeah, I just 449 00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:48,520 Speaker 1: don't understand. I don't understand it either, But it's difference 450 00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:51,520 Speaker 1: between oversight and just being dumb, right, And but you 451 00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:53,560 Speaker 1: can make the case that he was very dumb. He 452 00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:57,400 Speaker 1: walked right into the cryo um sauna wearing his wet 453 00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:01,280 Speaker 1: socks still and I think possibly is wet. Shoot, and 454 00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:04,719 Speaker 1: then he immediately got frostbite. Yeah, his feet froze and 455 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:08,959 Speaker 1: he ended up getting he was hobble basically couldn't even 456 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:11,239 Speaker 1: put on his running spikes, so I think he had 457 00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:13,919 Speaker 1: to withdraw or no, he actually ran and got and 458 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:16,400 Speaker 1: lost the Usine bolt of Yeah, it lost big time. 459 00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:19,320 Speaker 1: But apparently he's back to form according to this. But 460 00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:22,480 Speaker 1: the problem was he got frostbite from wearing his socks 461 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:26,119 Speaker 1: and his shoes, and the blisters and the scars that 462 00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:30,200 Speaker 1: formed after them were perfectly lined up with the tops 463 00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:33,320 Speaker 1: of his socks and his running spikes because that's what 464 00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:38,399 Speaker 1: he was wearing wet in the cryosana. So that's what what. 465 00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:41,040 Speaker 1: At least one person has died. You can get hobbled 466 00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:44,000 Speaker 1: from it, even if you're an elite athlete, if you're 467 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:47,560 Speaker 1: not using your noodle. Yeah. What else, Well, this one 468 00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:52,159 Speaker 1: lady sued a company because, um, she got frostbite on 469 00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:57,399 Speaker 1: her hands because they recommended she wear wet gloves. I 470 00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:00,080 Speaker 1: have no idea why they would say this, but the 471 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:01,960 Speaker 1: recommendation was to wear wet gloves, and she ended up 472 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:04,119 Speaker 1: getting frost bite in her hands wet gloves, so that 473 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:07,080 Speaker 1: was it wasn't like accidental. They said you should wear 474 00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:12,160 Speaker 1: wet gloves. So here's in this article. It's pretty great 475 00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:19,479 Speaker 1: what the spas reply was to this lawsuit. They said that, um, hey, 476 00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:22,320 Speaker 1: she signed a liability waiver and she wasn't ensuring her 477 00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:25,400 Speaker 1: own safety. So apparently she should have been smart enough 478 00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:27,240 Speaker 1: to not listen to them when they told her to 479 00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:31,399 Speaker 1: wear wet gloves, is what the spas UM reply to 480 00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:33,560 Speaker 1: the lawsuit was. One of the thoughts on why this 481 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:37,400 Speaker 1: might help is that it might just be a placebo effect. Well, okay, yes, 482 00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:40,840 Speaker 1: so now we really I I it's I've been kind 483 00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:42,840 Speaker 1: of obvious. We're both a little skeptical of this. I 484 00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:45,680 Speaker 1: think it's fair to say, right, that's right. I'm not 485 00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:49,240 Speaker 1: being judgment although, like, if you um want to try 486 00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:50,840 Speaker 1: this and you feel like you're getting some sort of 487 00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:53,800 Speaker 1: benefit from it, knock yourself out. Just do it safely 488 00:28:53,840 --> 00:29:01,360 Speaker 1: and smartly, please um. But there the skepticism is largely 489 00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:03,760 Speaker 1: centered around the idea that this is a placebo effect, 490 00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:08,360 Speaker 1: especially with things like pain relief. Anything that goes beyond inflammation, 491 00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:12,920 Speaker 1: uh is probably a placebo. Yeah. They did a study 492 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:15,600 Speaker 1: in Australian two thousand fourteen. They had thirty young men 493 00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:18,880 Speaker 1: put them through what they call it high intensity workout. 494 00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:22,200 Speaker 1: I said, they get sore, and then they divided them up. 495 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:26,920 Speaker 1: They had um fifteen minutes in one of three tubs 496 00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:31,320 Speaker 1: very cold water and nothing like the cryotherapy, even just 497 00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:35,280 Speaker 1: cold water. I think it said fifty degrees um, one 498 00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:39,320 Speaker 1: body temperature water, and then one tub with body temperature 499 00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:44,680 Speaker 1: water with magic soap. They basically said this soap will 500 00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:48,760 Speaker 1: be beneficial for your recovery, and the results showed that 501 00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:52,080 Speaker 1: they all had equal benefits. From the cold bath and 502 00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:55,440 Speaker 1: the magic soap bath. Uh, and they reported you know, 503 00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:59,840 Speaker 1: they all reported less soreness, basically equal between the cold 504 00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:03,400 Speaker 1: and the magic soap bath and the magic so yeah, 505 00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:06,400 Speaker 1: all three baths basically being equal. No, I think the 506 00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:11,040 Speaker 1: normal bath didn't show as much improvement as the cold 507 00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:15,120 Speaker 1: bath and the cold bath and magic soap bath. But 508 00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:19,520 Speaker 1: regular warm, non magic soap bath was whatever. But that 509 00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:23,480 Speaker 1: strongly suggests that there's a placebo effect in effect. Yeah, 510 00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:27,040 Speaker 1: I kind of bungled. That's you get it. Everybody still 511 00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:31,600 Speaker 1: loves the chuck. Okay, so um, yeah, this one, this 512 00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:33,720 Speaker 1: was a this is weird. Do you have anything else? 513 00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:38,120 Speaker 1: One more study from a lady named Dane Laroche from 514 00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:41,440 Speaker 1: the University of New Hampshire two thousand thirteen study. He 515 00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:45,160 Speaker 1: found no difference in soreness, of strength or strength between 516 00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:48,560 Speaker 1: runners who iced and who didn't. Um, and like you said, 517 00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:52,800 Speaker 1: there was a slight drop in inflammation, but muscular benefits 518 00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:55,720 Speaker 1: were actually they what they did was what ice one 519 00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:58,120 Speaker 1: leg and not the other, And the actually found muscular 520 00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:01,160 Speaker 1: benefits from exercise were rader in the leg that didn't 521 00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:03,920 Speaker 1: get iced, right, So maybe having the opposite effect, right, 522 00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:07,440 Speaker 1: which makes sense. Again, Like number one, they're finding out 523 00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:11,840 Speaker 1: that inflammation in the muscles is part of recovery. It's 524 00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:15,560 Speaker 1: something you want, like you said, right, and to to 525 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:19,840 Speaker 1: work against that seems like that would reduce recovery and 526 00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:23,760 Speaker 1: hence reduce performance afterwards. Like it might make your muscles 527 00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:27,440 Speaker 1: ache less because they're not inflamed or engorged with blood, 528 00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:31,040 Speaker 1: but it's not helping your performance, right, And that's ultimately 529 00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:33,920 Speaker 1: what all the elite athletes are after they're they're looking 530 00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:37,800 Speaker 1: to be better the next day rather than you know, like, 531 00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:40,560 Speaker 1: oh my muscles ache, I don't want to feel them anymore. Yeah. 532 00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:42,760 Speaker 1: I wonder how many things we were going to look 533 00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:46,200 Speaker 1: back on today, Like we look back on ancient medicine. 534 00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:48,720 Speaker 1: This is just like that road dwell Ville stuff. Yeah, 535 00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:53,840 Speaker 1: and think can you believe that in the people would 536 00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:58,080 Speaker 1: get into nitrogen gas chambers yea and freeze themselves. That's 537 00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:01,840 Speaker 1: why it's kind of like, what like this this? I 538 00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:04,280 Speaker 1: thought this was behind us by like a hundred years 539 00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:06,240 Speaker 1: or something, but we're still doing it. You know why? 540 00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:08,480 Speaker 1: Because I think as long as there are humans on 541 00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:10,360 Speaker 1: the earth, they're going to be looking for that fountain 542 00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:14,280 Speaker 1: of youth. And you're gonna pay and try things that 543 00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:19,440 Speaker 1: seems silly, but I will continue to keep an open 544 00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:22,480 Speaker 1: mind about the possibility that this does have some sort 545 00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:26,680 Speaker 1: of overlooked effect that we're not we don't understand yet, 546 00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:31,760 Speaker 1: because it is pretty serious exposing yourself to that, Like 547 00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:35,600 Speaker 1: that's just too pronounced of a difference than our norm. 548 00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:38,440 Speaker 1: But that at the very least it sucks to go through. 549 00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:44,720 Speaker 1: I'm never gonna try it. I don't even mind being cold. Yeah, 550 00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:46,720 Speaker 1: I think even if you don't mind being cold, you 551 00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:50,680 Speaker 1: would mind us. It's probably like torture maybe so it 552 00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:54,880 Speaker 1: looks like it. Yeah. Uh, if you want to know 553 00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:57,600 Speaker 1: more about cryotherapy, you can type that word into the 554 00:32:57,600 --> 00:32:59,720 Speaker 1: search bar how stepworks dot com. And since I said 555 00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:04,040 Speaker 1: search far as time, go listen to Mayo, I'm gonna 556 00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:07,360 Speaker 1: call this painful shot. Hey guys, my name is Emily. 557 00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:10,640 Speaker 1: Recently discovered your show and have been binge listening walking 558 00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:14,080 Speaker 1: around campus. I'm a freshman at Harvard University. And she 559 00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:18,120 Speaker 1: drops the H bomb. I recently listened to anesthesia and 560 00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:20,040 Speaker 1: loved it, but one thing stuck out. One of you, 561 00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:22,600 Speaker 1: I believe it was me, said something along the lines 562 00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:25,280 Speaker 1: of getting an injection into your gums is the worst experience, 563 00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:28,600 Speaker 1: but I think I can debunk this. When I was 564 00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:30,360 Speaker 1: in my sophomore year of high school, I broke my 565 00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:33,480 Speaker 1: nose in a high jumping accident during track practice. I'm 566 00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:36,920 Speaker 1: definitely afraid of needles, but when I went went in 567 00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:40,760 Speaker 1: and to get it reset, I got five injections right 568 00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:45,560 Speaker 1: up my nose. You imagine a needle in your nose, dude. 569 00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:48,800 Speaker 1: I had to be pinned down because I couldn't control 570 00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:52,560 Speaker 1: my hysteria. Not only that they didn't even numb it 571 00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:55,320 Speaker 1: high enough in the nasal bridge, and I still felt 572 00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:58,680 Speaker 1: my nose being reset. Plus my nose is still crooked. 573 00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:02,960 Speaker 1: I think he gives my face and character. Um, Emily, 574 00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,320 Speaker 1: I haven't seen you, but I bet it does. I 575 00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:08,560 Speaker 1: think the listen here is no high jumping. Yeah, she says, 576 00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:10,399 Speaker 1: I think this feature gums thing. Sorry if it made 577 00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:12,560 Speaker 1: you swarm, but I've heard you cover enough things that 578 00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:15,400 Speaker 1: made my skin crawl to convince be convinced that you 579 00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:18,000 Speaker 1: two are not squeamish. Not true. No, that one was 580 00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:20,799 Speaker 1: pretty bad. That is from Emily with a hy Well, 581 00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:22,960 Speaker 1: thanks a lot, Emily with the why we well, I 582 00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:26,239 Speaker 1: guess we kind of appreciate that yes we do. Let's 583 00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:27,640 Speaker 1: just go ahead and come out and say it. That 584 00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:30,400 Speaker 1: was awesome. If you want to see if you can 585 00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:33,239 Speaker 1: make our skin crawl, give us your best shot. 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