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Speaker 1: Is The Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on

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Speaker 1: your twenty four to seven home of the Black and

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Speaker 1: Gold in Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: And welcome to the Drive, and welcome to Matt Williamson

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Speaker 2: for actually being here today.

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Speaker 3: About Yeah, I had some family stuff. I could go

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Speaker 3: into the details of it, but I'm going to disappear

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Speaker 3: for a day or two in the near future as well.

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Speaker 3: So thanks for holding down the fort.

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Speaker 2: We do what we need to do.

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Speaker 3: We gotta do. The show must go on, and believe

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Speaker 3: or not, we do take vacations and stuff over the

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Speaker 3: course of the year two and we figure it out. Yeah. Absolutely,

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Speaker 3: And so we're here.

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Speaker 2: We're continuing to look at, you know, everything that the

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Speaker 2: season in a nutshell, and you know, there's obviously some

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Speaker 2: bad that happened and everybody's focusing on that.

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Speaker 3: There's also some that didn't change. While I was going No,

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Speaker 3: nothing changed. You know.

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Speaker 2: I had a discussion earlier today on the ex Twitter

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Speaker 2: with E Dog. E dog goes to every Steelers game.

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Speaker 3: Okay, you know who else does me? So the last thirty.

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Speaker 2: Three years and I don't have a drink sitting in

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Speaker 2: the press box. I'm watching the game analytically and I

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Speaker 2: take notes, I write about it. I write my thoughts

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Speaker 2: that I come on here, I talk about them. And

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Speaker 2: so E Dog's theory is that the Steelers, I got

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Speaker 2: quote when I watched us play good teams, we are

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Speaker 2: inferior at almost every position on the field. They have

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Speaker 2: enough to be average, but not close to being a

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Speaker 2: top team. Drafting has been below the line. Wow, I

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Speaker 2: can't agree with that now, E Dog, I haven't coached

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Speaker 2: Matt on this. Matt is a former professional scout.

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Speaker 3: First I heard it. Let's start with drafting. I think

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Speaker 3: there was a stretch there that the first round weren't great, right,

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Speaker 3: including picket where you invested in and that's the most

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Speaker 3: important position. But if we're going to focus on this

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Speaker 3: front office, and that's not a knock on Kevin obviously,

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Speaker 3: I think he's going to the Hall of Fame. It's

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Speaker 3: been quite good. And yes, this class got injured a

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Speaker 3: fair amount though too, but they're still looming. Those guys

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Speaker 3: are still available. I do not look at this team

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Speaker 3: and think this is a poor drafting franchise at all.

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Speaker 3: And to be honest, this sounds like I'm, you know,

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Speaker 3: skirting the conversation drafting. It's hard to even say who

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Speaker 3: the great drafting teams are or the bad drafting teams are.

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Speaker 3: I mean, or this GM so much better at drafting

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Speaker 3: than this GM. A lot of it's just circumstances and

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Speaker 3: how they work out, and you know how they got

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Speaker 2: I could love player X from here to the moon. Yeah, right,

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Speaker 2: we want that guy. But guess what we're picking twenty seventh.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we get this guy? Right? For example, Mahomes, they

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Speaker 3: loved it, they love they love Mahomes, they love JJ Watt. Mhmm.

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Speaker 3: You don't get there. I'm picking the top ten, now, don't.

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Speaker 2: You don't pick in the top ten to get that guy.

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Speaker 2: So you pivot and you take Cam Hayward instead. You

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Speaker 2: love Patrick Mahomes all you want, You're not going to

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Speaker 3: Watt instead. Yeah, and I will definitely, I definitely believe

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Speaker 3: since you know people that are on this roster that

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Speaker 3: not the best, it's certainly not the worst. It's a

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Speaker 3: hard thing to pin down too. Now, I definitely don't

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Speaker 3: think they're outmanned at nearly every position. No, that's for sure.

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Speaker 3: I mean against his top team. I replied to E Dog.

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Speaker 2: If you took Patrick Mahomes where you took Lamar Jackson,

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Speaker 3: Roster, yeah, I think they're still playing football.

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Speaker 2: I think they're still playing football, and I think they

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Speaker 2: might be one of the favorites, if not the favorite,

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Speaker 3: Throw Burrow in there or whatever. I mean, you still

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Speaker 3: could have lost to Lamar in more week, and.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna see Josh Allen against Lamar this week.

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Speaker 3: That's I was about to say is on Monday, we're

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Speaker 3: win and they need to move on. We're gonna hear

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Speaker 3: I mean, they're ridiculous. The winner of that game. Everybody's

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Speaker 3: bad by the Ravens. No, that was not a good performance, right,

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Speaker 3: and this nobody stretch has not been a great performance.

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Speaker 3: But to win super Bowls you almost have to have

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Speaker 3: one of those guys, Like do I think Golf could

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Speaker 3: I absolutely believe, though in a nutshell, since he was

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Speaker 3: in the playoffs, take Burrow. Put him on the Steelers.

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Speaker 3: They're one of the best teams in the league, if

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Speaker 3: not number one, right with the current roster, right right,

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Speaker 3: take Wilson out that quarterback in, I'll put them against

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Speaker 3: a top five quarterback. Because they're super star.

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Speaker 2: Difference, it's the most important position in football, to your point,

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Speaker 2: doesn't mean that you can't win without he's superstar at

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Speaker 2: Stroud's not a great player yet. He's not on the

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Speaker 2: gotten to this point now, to your point, three of

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Speaker 3: Max your road a little more difficult than the Bears

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Speaker 3: can make a case he's a top ten quarterback. No way,

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Speaker 3: he's a top five, but he's not far off of ten.

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Speaker 3: Maybe he's eleven if we go through it, or twelve

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Speaker 3: the short end of the quarterback battle. I mean, Stafford.

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Speaker 3: the other guy. Whoever they play in the Super Bowl,

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Speaker 3: I'm definitely giving it to the AFC guy, unless it's Stroud.

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Speaker 3: It still takes. If Stroud got there, then I'm taking

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Speaker 3: point yeah, point By, you make a chance. But my

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Speaker 3: tune would change if he wins three playoffs. But they're

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Speaker 3: they're closer than they're closer than the other three monsters.

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Speaker 3: Can the Eagles win the Super Bowl? I think the

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Speaker 3: answer is yes, But their roads harder.

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Speaker 2: Right, It's harder to do when you don't have that guy,

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Speaker 2: because you think guy changes everything.

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Speaker 3: And quarterback aside, I'll take that roster over every one

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Speaker 3: of them. And let's say you put Mahomes on the Eagles.

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Speaker 3: Whoa you know what I mean, Like, that's the seventy Steelers,

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Speaker 3: that's you know Aikman and Montana's Niners. I mean, that's

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Speaker 3: an all time great team. That's Brady's best team. You know,

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Speaker 3: any of those superheroes on the best roster like that

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the thing that drives me crazy about some

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Speaker 2: of the stuff that's thrown around out there. The Steelers

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Speaker 2: roster stinks. Yeah, the coaching staff stinks. How the hell

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Speaker 2: did they win ten games in each of the last

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Speaker 3: And look at how many teams lost ten games? Right?

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Speaker 3: That stinks. I mean, that's one of the things that

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Speaker 3: make me crazy that whoever loses the Buffalo Ravens game,

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Speaker 3: has to either be awesome or stinks, you know, like

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Speaker 3: ninety nine percent of the time, it's neither, you know,

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Speaker 3: I mean, and have a clue of who really does

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Speaker 3: stink in this league? The Raiders stink, the Titans stink,

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Speaker 3: the brown stink. Steelers aren't that group, and that group

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Speaker 2: You can't have a bad coaching staff in a bad

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Speaker 2: roster and win ten games in this league. You just can't.

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Speaker 2: It's an impossibility.

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Speaker 3: Especially maybe the Bengals could, maybe the Chiefs, good guy,

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Speaker 3: maybe the Bills could, right, I mean the Bills roster

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Speaker 2: Which was why to me Josh Allen is the MVP

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Speaker 3: That's a great point, right, I mean the Chiefs have

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Speaker 3: a really good roster, but they have holes. These other

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Speaker 3: teams aren't perfect on you know, top to bottom. You're

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Speaker 3: outmatched at every position. No chance.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so, I you know, you have to look at

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Speaker 2: it from a little perspective. Just have some perspective on this.

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Speaker 2: And I know everybody's still mad and upset about, you know,

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Speaker 2: the way this season went down, and I get it,

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Speaker 2: I get it. One, but the Steelers do not stink.

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Speaker 2: The coaching staff does not stink right right right, They

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Speaker 2: haven't gotten you don't win as many games as they've

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Speaker 2: won the last last few years. Stinking, not knowing what

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Speaker 2: you're doing, not knowing how to do this, and and yes,

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Speaker 2: you can be upset that you fell short, Mike Tomlum

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Speaker 2: upset that they fell short.

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Speaker 3: Everybody works that building is upset, absolutely sure.

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Speaker 2: And was he wrong when he said I thought we

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Speaker 3: I don't think so. No. I think that.

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Speaker 2: This year's roster was better than last year's roster.

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Speaker 3: I do too. And as an organization, I think they're

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Speaker 3: going forward, not backwards, right, Yeah, but there's still everyone

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Speaker 3: they're just stuck in purgatory. You're never stuck stuck. You're

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Speaker 3: always moving one way, one way or the other.

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Speaker 2: And to me, this team is moving in a proper

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Speaker 2: direction because you don't have the quarterback yet. But what

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Speaker 2: one of those quarterbacks, I should yea yeah, yeah, you've

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Speaker 3: That you can win with.

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Speaker 2: Now, then can you have to continue to build around

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they're gonna start, Joey, They're gonna start joking enough

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Speaker 3: They were better, they were better, They were better, they

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Speaker 2: Matt Williamson and Matt just to kind of drive home

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Speaker 2: Seth Walters put together a list. I don't know if

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Speaker 3: I clicked on it, but I have not ready yet.

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Speaker 2: The top one hundred real NFL MVP candidates for the

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Speaker 3: you want if you're not an analytics person, but he's

434
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Speaker 3: more well rounded than that as well. I think he

435
00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:51,359
Speaker 3: does really good work and buzz through it.

436
00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:53,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's buss through it because there are some Steelers

437
00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:57,400
Speaker 2: mentioned here in the top one hundred players, and these

438
00:20:57,400 --> 00:20:59,679
Speaker 2: are the MVP candidates based on how.

439
00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:02,880
Speaker 3: They this year. Okay, yeah, okay.

440
00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:07,159
Speaker 2: So number one we're gonna start the top sure, Josh Allen.

441
00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:09,639
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm sure him and Lamar a right next to

442
00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:12,439
Speaker 3: that guy? Would imagine Number two is Lamar Jackson. That's fine.

443
00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:14,280
Speaker 2: Number three Joe Burrow.

444
00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:16,520
Speaker 3: I agree with that too. He would be my third choice.

445
00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:18,879
Speaker 3: Imagine where they would have been without him. Number four

446
00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:24,360
Speaker 3: Jaden Daniels Fair I said on a different podcast, I'm

447
00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:28,919
Speaker 3: not by any way anointing that guy, but if I

448
00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:31,080
Speaker 3: think he has a chance. And this is the ultimate

449
00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:35,200
Speaker 3: compliment to be in that top four. I mean every

450
00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:38,760
Speaker 3: year he has a chance. I mean, I'm that would

451
00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:41,080
Speaker 3: be an amazing accomplishment. But he could be that guy.

452
00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:46,560
Speaker 3: Number five Patrick Mahomes pretty fair down year for him statistically,

453
00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:51,480
Speaker 3: but he's still pretty important. Number six Justin Herbert, Okay,

454
00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:53,840
Speaker 3: they would have been miserable without him. Oh yeah, yeah.

455
00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:56,760
Speaker 2: Number seven Jared goff Fair.

456
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Speaker 3: About halfway through the season, he was getting MVP talk, rightfully,

457
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Speaker 3: So what do we notice about that? But a lot

458
00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:07,600
Speaker 3: of quarterbacks, they're all quarterbacks. When all quarterbacks all quarterbacks,

459
00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:09,960
Speaker 3: and you could really probably go twenty D. I mean,

460
00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:12,040
Speaker 3: it wouldn't be much fun. Yeah, you could probably go

461
00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:12,480
Speaker 3: twenty D.

462
00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:16,040
Speaker 2: Number eight, we finally get to non quarterback, and that's

463
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Speaker 2: Jamar Chase.

464
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Speaker 3: Fair. I think i'd put him ahead of like Barkley

465
00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:24,639
Speaker 3: or Henry in terms of MVP, not Offensive Player of

466
00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:26,959
Speaker 3: the Year. I kind of look at those differently. They

467
00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:27,879
Speaker 3: got one triple crown.

468
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Speaker 2: Number nine Justin Jefferson.

469
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Speaker 3: It's funny. As soon as you said Chase, I'm like,

470
00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:38,040
Speaker 3: I'm sure Jefferson's the next receiver. But is Jefferson more

471
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Speaker 3: valuable than Donald.

472
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Speaker 2: You're like, Jefferson caught average one hundred yards of receiving

473
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Speaker 2: per game last season when they had six different guys

474
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Speaker 2: starting at off.

475
00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:52,200
Speaker 3: The street and all that. I mean, I think he's

476
00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:55,480
Speaker 3: way better than Darnald. But like I had this conversation

477
00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:58,479
Speaker 3: with my Niners co host, He's like, I would much

478
00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:00,560
Speaker 3: rather McCaffrey be out of the game than per even

479
00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:03,119
Speaker 3: though McCaffrey's way better at what he does. Their powers,

480
00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:03,640
Speaker 3: you know what I mean.

481
00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:07,040
Speaker 2: So Jefferson averaged two point six yards per route run.

482
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Speaker 3: It's a big number. Yeah, Chase average two point five Okay, Yeah.

483
00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:15,560
Speaker 2: And he was better against man coverage two point five

484
00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:20,160
Speaker 2: two point five versus two point two than Chase. Chase

485
00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:22,600
Speaker 2: played with the superior quarterback without question.

486
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I do think Jefferson missed two or three games,

487
00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:27,520
Speaker 3: though this year he didn miss any No, okay, okay,

488
00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:29,480
Speaker 3: he did anyways.

489
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Number ten, Baker Mayfield.

490
00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:33,200
Speaker 3: I'm also interesting who the third receiver is going to

491
00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:36,200
Speaker 3: be because those two are probably way above everybody else. Yeah,

492
00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:42,040
Speaker 3: in Mayfield should be there too. Eleven Kyler Murray didn't

493
00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:43,880
Speaker 3: see that coming. I didn't either. I mean, you could

494
00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:47,240
Speaker 3: go quarterbacks like crazy. Any quarterback you say wouldn't shock

495
00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:51,080
Speaker 3: me headed like Jordan Love he missed time. Yeah, I

496
00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:56,720
Speaker 3: don't know how much they weighed that interesting twelve Trey Hendrickson, See,

497
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Speaker 3: I don't think he's the most three Bengals in a

498
00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:03,320
Speaker 3: top twelve. Come on, man, I was gonna take it

499
00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:05,760
Speaker 3: the other way. First off, he wouldn't be my defensive choice.

500
00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:07,879
Speaker 3: But if you have three of the top most valuable

501
00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:10,760
Speaker 3: players you went nine and eight, how bad is that roster? Like?

502
00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:13,159
Speaker 3: How many starters do they need? That takes on the

503
00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:13,960
Speaker 3: list goes.

504
00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:15,960
Speaker 2: Back to what we were just talking about in terms

505
00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:17,040
Speaker 2: of overall roster.

506
00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:19,600
Speaker 3: Bills, right like their roster is junk. I mean, if

507
00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:22,240
Speaker 3: you can't get into the playoffs with Burrow and the

508
00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:25,200
Speaker 3: sentence Burrow alone, Chase and Hendrickson, who had both had

509
00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:29,959
Speaker 3: tremendous seasons, Right like, if opening day before anyone had

510
00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:33,280
Speaker 3: kicked off, you told me Burrow, Chase, and Hendrickson are

511
00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:35,840
Speaker 3: all gonna be in the top twelve. I'm betting every

512
00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:38,280
Speaker 3: over on the planet on the Bengals, like they must

513
00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:40,760
Speaker 3: be the best team we've ever seen. That's how bad

514
00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:43,040
Speaker 3: the rest of the roster. Yeah, and how much work

515
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Speaker 3: they have to do this offseason. Thirteen Miles Garrett, Okay,

516
00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:48,560
Speaker 3: I would have Garrett ahead of Henderson.

517
00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:57,280
Speaker 2: But fourteen Jalen Hurts okay. Fifteen Lane Johnson. I can't

518
00:24:57,320 --> 00:24:57,760
Speaker 2: go there.

519
00:24:57,920 --> 00:24:59,920
Speaker 3: I think he's the best offensive linement on the planet.

520
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:02,879
Speaker 3: I don't know if i'd agree with you that. To me,

521
00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:05,120
Speaker 3: I don't know if I agree with you on that.

522
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:08,399
Speaker 3: I think he's I think he's a great player, the best.

523
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:10,880
Speaker 3: I I think he might be with the best right

524
00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:14,480
Speaker 3: tackle it ever lived. He's getting to that point. His

525
00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:18,960
Speaker 3: worst game was against TJ, which they left them alone

526
00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:22,040
Speaker 3: and they kind of battled to a draw. He's a

527
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:23,840
Speaker 3: SuperStar's valuable.

528
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:26,159
Speaker 2: Here's what bothers me about that game. Now, I understand

529
00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:28,560
Speaker 2: one of those sacks was not on him. It was

530
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Speaker 2: a you know, I can remember the details. But yeah,

531
00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:33,440
Speaker 2: but I'm watching their playoff game last week and they're

532
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:35,720
Speaker 2: talking about how Lane Johnson didn't allow a single sack

533
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Speaker 2: this year.

534
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:37,919
Speaker 3: I know I saw that too, Like, that's nunts, right,

535
00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:40,240
Speaker 3: that's not true. A lot of those kind of stats

536
00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:42,520
Speaker 3: to me, aren't right. Yeah, you don't know the protections.

537
00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:43,960
Speaker 3: You don't know if you're helping and chip in your

538
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:45,159
Speaker 3: body and that kind of stuff too.

539
00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:47,600
Speaker 2: It's like that's like when they say somebody somebody shut

540
00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:48,040
Speaker 2: out TJ.

541
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Speaker 3: Watt. Yeah no, he didn't, not he not he Maybe

542
00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:54,840
Speaker 3: they did, they did, but he got involved.

543
00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:58,480
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah yeah, uh number sixteen Chris Jones.

544
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:02,200
Speaker 3: I'm cool with that. Now. Here's the thing.

545
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:05,119
Speaker 2: I had my opening monologu yesterday.

546
00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:07,040
Speaker 3: I'm sure he didn't watch cam ahead of him. I

547
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:07,560
Speaker 3: have not yet.

548
00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:10,840
Speaker 2: No, all right, Chris Jones had five sacks this year.

549
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:15,480
Speaker 2: That's low, and people were talking. People have been talking

550
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:18,480
Speaker 2: about how TJ. Watt didn't He wasn't very good this

551
00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:20,439
Speaker 2: year because he only had eleven and a half sacks,

552
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:23,600
Speaker 2: Which shows you how far.

553
00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:26,359
Speaker 3: How much to Hendrickson have to lead the league seventeen

554
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:28,359
Speaker 3: I think, I say, you got a lot at the end,

555
00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:29,480
Speaker 3: obviously in three at the end.

556
00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:33,199
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, but it shows you how those players have

557
00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:36,320
Speaker 2: raised the bar for expectations.

558
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:38,240
Speaker 3: For example, TJ.

559
00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:41,280
Speaker 2: Wats eleven and a half sacks would have led to

560
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:44,800
Speaker 2: Steelers in sacks twenty six times since nineteen eighty two.

561
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Speaker 3: That doesn't surprise him. Yeah, but it's not twenty so

562
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:50,360
Speaker 3: people would lose their mind, right. Yeah.

563
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:53,240
Speaker 2: Anyways, Chris Jones had five sacks this year. He's number

564
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Speaker 2: sixteen on this list.

565
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Speaker 3: I might have put Hayward ahead of Jones, just amongst

566
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Speaker 3: defensive tackles. Seventeen Tristan Wurfs, who I would say is

567
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:04,359
Speaker 3: the best. I love, he's greatly eighteen A. J. Brown,

568
00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:08,359
Speaker 3: So he's the third receiver and the third Bengal or

569
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:10,960
Speaker 3: third race ego. I should say the Hirts was already

570
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:12,919
Speaker 3: on their Thingeah huh, none of them super high, but

571
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:14,960
Speaker 3: still none of them are named Saku and Barkley hasn't

572
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:17,520
Speaker 3: shown up yet. Soon, I guess probably would be my

573
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:21,719
Speaker 3: third receiver. Nineteen Micah Parsons. He was the best defensive

574
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:24,560
Speaker 3: player on the planet post injury, just like Hutchinson was

575
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:28,160
Speaker 3: the best pre injury. But that's but it's not seventeen eights.

576
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:30,240
Speaker 2: Twenty Patrick's certain.

577
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:33,679
Speaker 3: Probably gonna win Defense Player of the Year, I mean,

578
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:35,919
Speaker 3: his first defensive back. I don't know how much they

579
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:38,240
Speaker 3: weigh position value. I think position do a lot.

580
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:41,120
Speaker 2: Position must matter because twenty one and twenty two are

581
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:42,000
Speaker 2: Henry and Barkley.

582
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:44,280
Speaker 3: Kay Henry ahead of Barkley.

583
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:47,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know how you can measure what those

584
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:50,240
Speaker 2: guys mean to their quarterbacks.

585
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 3: I mean, clearly they bumped good teams into great teams. Yeah,

586
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:55,719
Speaker 3: you know, just their addition.

587
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:58,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, but Barkley would be the fourth Eagle in the

588
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:00,320
Speaker 2: top twenty two players.

589
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:02,240
Speaker 3: I think that's the best roster in the league.

590
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:06,480
Speaker 2: Twenty three another Eagle, Wow, Zach.

591
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 3: Bond, says A Bond, Okay, Wow. First linebacker twenty four

592
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:15,159
Speaker 3: Jordan Love, which isn't where he needs to be, No,

593
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:17,880
Speaker 3: I mean, he can't be behind Baker Mayfield. Twenty five

594
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:22,640
Speaker 3: is Cede lamb Fair twenty six brock Party doesn't seem

595
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 3: like I mean, I guess it's a chicken or egg thing.

596
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:26,840
Speaker 3: But Miles Garrett's like one of the only ones off

597
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:33,360
Speaker 3: the garbage teams, which I mean, obviously, if you're valuable,

598
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:36,159
Speaker 3: you bring up the whole ship. But there's also got

599
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:39,000
Speaker 3: to be some great players on horrible teams. Dexter Lawrence

600
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:41,880
Speaker 3: if he has stayed healthy year, you know. Twenty seven TJ.

601
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:45,000
Speaker 2: Watt was a little season he had.

602
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 3: I think I have Cam ahead of him, but that's

603
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 3: still low for what. Yeah. Twenty eight Fred Warner still

604
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:53,240
Speaker 3: had a great year, but played a broken ankle most

605
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:56,640
Speaker 3: of the year. Twenty nine Trent McDuffie. Mm hmm. He's

606
00:28:56,640 --> 00:29:01,800
Speaker 3: doing more outside stuff too. Thirty Puka Nakua. He's real.

607
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 3: I used to think he was kind of a fabrication.

608
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:04,760
Speaker 3: He's real.

609
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:08,240
Speaker 2: Thirty one is Kyle Hamilton thirty two Malik Neighbors.

610
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:12,840
Speaker 3: There's your third receiver, first rookie right, No, Jadon Daniels.

611
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 3: Daniels Yeah.

612
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:18,480
Speaker 2: Thirty three Sam Darnold thirty four Matthew Stafford I would

613
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:20,880
Speaker 2: disagree with he'd be high for me being that low.

614
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, it'd be ahead of Baker probably.

615
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 2: Thirty five George Kittle.

616
00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:26,400
Speaker 3: I think he was the best sight in the league,

617
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:28,640
Speaker 3: winning factor I'm blocking.

618
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:31,760
Speaker 2: Two thirty six, Jamior Gibbs thirty seven, pen A Sewell

619
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:37,200
Speaker 2: thirty eight, Danielle Hunter thirty nine, Brian Thomas forty Drake

620
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:41,160
Speaker 2: London forty one, Xavier McKinney forty two, Derwin James.

621
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 3: These are the Whoho's of you know, pro Bowl type guys.

622
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:48,600
Speaker 2: Forty three Dion Dawkins, Okay, the third best, the third

623
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 2: most impactful offensive tackle in the league. And I guess

624
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 2: Sewell was on there too.

625
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:55,480
Speaker 3: There's four to fourth that does seem too high.

626
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:59,960
Speaker 2: Forty four Leonard Williams great year forty five, Jonathan Greenard

627
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:05,080
Speaker 2: forty six, a mon Ross Saint Brown forty seven, Zach Allens.

628
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:08,400
Speaker 2: You're telling me Cam Hayward's the fourth fifth best defensive atackle.

629
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Speaker 3: I have no problem with Alan being there at all,

630
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:12,960
Speaker 3: but Hayward would have been number one amongst defensive tackles

631
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:16,560
Speaker 3: from forty eight. Lad Mconkee, okay, play a lot of

632
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:23,040
Speaker 3: good rookie receivers. Forty nine, Cam Hayward, that's low. Fifty

633
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 3: Derek Stingley, that might be low. That's a second corner,

634
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 3: I think. Yeah. Fifty one Garrett Bowles, I'm sorry, he's average. Yeah,

635
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:35,800
Speaker 3: it's a good line, but he's not their best player.

636
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 3: A minor's ahead of a Yeah, Bjean Robbers was at

637
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:42,680
Speaker 3: a guard or center yet, Yeah, fifty two is Bjehn Robinson?

638
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 2: Fifty three Trey McBride. I don't know how he could

639
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:47,480
Speaker 2: be one of the most impactful players in the league

640
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 2: and have one touchdown.

641
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:51,080
Speaker 3: But he's ahead of Bowers. It's a little surprising.

642
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 2: Fifty four Jordan Mylotta fifty five, Creed Humphrey fifty six.

643
00:30:56,960 --> 00:31:00,600
Speaker 2: Nicocollins miss time, but he'd be higher. He maybe be

644
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:03,680
Speaker 2: the third receiver fifty seven. We finally get our well,

645
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 2: we've had our second bill. This is our third bill.

646
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:12,360
Speaker 3: Christian Benford much better corner than people realize. He's their best,

647
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 3: probably their best defensive player. Fifty eight has Brock Bauers.

648
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:19,880
Speaker 3: Fifty nine, Quinton Nelson in first guard. Yeah, I don't

649
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 3: think he had that kind of year.

650
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:26,360
Speaker 2: Sixty Jesse Bates sixty one, Kirby Joseph sixty two, Brian

651
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 2: Burns sixty three, Christian Gonzalez. He was really impactful on

652
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 2: that three win Patriots team.

653
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:38,040
Speaker 3: He's awesome. I don't know how you judge him on

654
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 3: the on the terrible team. Yeah.

655
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:44,160
Speaker 2: Sixty four, Jared Verse sixty five, Mike Evans sixty six,

656
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 2: Jeffrey Simmons.

657
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:48,160
Speaker 3: Since Stay Simmons was when I was thinking of, you know,

658
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 3: he's easily the best Titan, but where do you put him?

659
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 2: Sixty seven is Joe Thuney sixty eight, Brian Branch sixty nine.

660
00:31:56,040 --> 00:32:01,480
Speaker 3: Joe alt Later had a better year than all.

661
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, seventy Brian O'Neil.

662
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 3: Pretty good variety of lions though you mentioned Branch.

663
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 2: There a lot of lions, yeah, rising Yeah, seventy one.

664
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Speaker 2: Marlon Humphrey seventy two, Laramie Tunsel.

665
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:16,240
Speaker 3: Oh, I'm sorry he was bad this year. He's been

666
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 3: a great player, but you can't put it with Texans

667
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 3: lineman on there. They were hidious. He led the league

668
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 3: in penalties. Yeah, and he looks like I don't know

669
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 3: there are line coaches, but he should be worried about

670
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:26,240
Speaker 3: his job.

671
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:31,400
Speaker 2: Seventy three. Deforce Buckner seventy four, Jalen Carter, Oh, Carter

672
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 2: be hired that seventy five, Nick Bosa seventy six, Quinn

673
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 2: Miners seventy seven, Rashawn Slater seventy eight, Will Anderson seventy nine,

674
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:46,920
Speaker 2: Kalais Campbell, good for him, eighty Andrew van Ginkel.

675
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 3: Some people thought he was defensive MVP, which I think

676
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:51,960
Speaker 3: is nuts, but that's a little low. He made a

677
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:52,760
Speaker 3: lot of plays.

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00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 2: Eighty one, Tyler Smith eighty two, Nick Benito, he had

679
00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 2: a good year too. Eighty three, Vita Veya eighty four,

680
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 2: Bucky Irving eighty five, Devin Witherspoon eighty six, Dexter Lawrence

681
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 2: all the way down to eighty six.

682
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was mentioned. I was thinking about him and

683
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 3: Hutchinson neither one mentioned. But Lawrence played a lot more

684
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 3: in Hutchinson. Eighty seven. Tyler Linderbaum second center. Yeah, I

685
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 3: think he's the second center right now. I don't think

686
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:25,040
Speaker 3: he is. I think Ragnow's right there. I take graziers

687
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 3: right on their heels too. Eighty eight Rokwan Smith first

688
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:31,800
Speaker 3: half of the year was not rough at all.

689
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 2: Eighty nine Max Crosby all the way down in eighty nine.

690
00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 3: How many games did he missed at the end, four

691
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 3: or five something like that. Yeah, still was pretty awesome

692
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 3: though for that low.

693
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:46,240
Speaker 2: Ninety Chris Boswell, Wow, the only kicker on the list.

694
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:48,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean he scored a lot of points. That's

695
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:49,800
Speaker 3: kind of the goal here.

696
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 2: Ninety one Chris Lindstrom ninety two Brandon Jones.

697
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 3: Limstrom's really interesting. Like if you listen to the O

698
00:33:56,800 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 3: line nerds, they either love him or hate him because

699
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:04,600
Speaker 3: Kim Cam Hayward would take Linstrom and yeah, throw him

700
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 3: into the seats. But he can block thirty yards downfield

701
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:10,279
Speaker 3: like a sprinter too. You know, this depends what you're

702
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:11,400
Speaker 3: doing with him. Uh.

703
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:15,760
Speaker 2: Ninety two is Brandon Jones good year? Ninety three Quinn

704
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:20,359
Speaker 2: Williams ninety four, Quinon Mitchell ninety five, Za.

705
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:23,080
Speaker 3: Flowers that it's not like he'snna play against and no

706
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:27,880
Speaker 3: he doesn't. Ninety six Charles Cross good player. He's another

707
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:29,320
Speaker 3: one that's a little finesse ish.

708
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, ninety seven Buddha Baker, ninety eight Spencer Brown, So

709
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:35,239
Speaker 2: both Bills offensive tackles on the list.

710
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:37,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, Spencer Brown's a much improved player.

711
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 2: Ninety nine is Jalen Johnson, and one hundred Nakobe.

712
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:44,799
Speaker 3: Dean out for the out remainder of the year.

713
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, but a lot a lot of Eagles on that list,

714
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 2: a lot of Lions.

715
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 3: I'm trying to think of seven or eight eagles. Mitchell

716
00:34:54,280 --> 00:35:01,800
Speaker 3: both linebackers, Carter both tackles, Saquon Brown, maybe ten. Yeah,

717
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 3: there's a lot. I bet they led the led the league. Yeah,

718
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 3: that's why they're right in the haunt of it, even

719
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:09,239
Speaker 3: though they don't have one of those special special.

720
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:13,440
Speaker 2: Quarter What was not listed on that list a Steelers quarterback.

721
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:17,440
Speaker 3: I was gonna say about six hundred players, Yeah, more

722
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 3: than that, right, right, Yeah, I don't know that it's

723
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 3: still be alive, but if they would have a quarterback

724
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:28,919
Speaker 3: on the list, whoever the last one was, I don't

725
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:31,880
Speaker 3: even know who that was. I mean probably eightieth overall.

726
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:33,640
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't even think all the quarterbacks that

727
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:34,399
Speaker 2: were on here were listed.

728
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:36,840
Speaker 3: I think Love might have been the last one you mentioned.

729
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 2: I'm just going back through here. Stafford was the last

730
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:40,759
Speaker 2: guy listed at thirty four.

731
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Speaker 3: Love was later than that, I think so. But let

732
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:48,920
Speaker 3: me see here. I'm I guess you're either on the

733
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:51,800
Speaker 3: list or you're not in terms of quarterback world. No,

734
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 3: that was Stafford was a Stafford was the last guy listed.

735
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:59,319
Speaker 3: Oh man, Yeah, I agree, Stafford would be really really

736
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:03,279
Speaker 3: good ageat and you still may have lost in Baltimore, right,

737
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:06,400
Speaker 3: I mean the Chiefs might have lost in Baltimore. That's

738
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:10,720
Speaker 3: a brutal situation, but there'd be a lot different tone. Yeah,

739
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:14,160
Speaker 3: And I don't think Wilson was terrible, you know, right, Northfields,

740
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 3: all right, that wasn't Duck or you know, picketted his

741
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 3: worst or you know right.

742
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:20,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, you had improved quarterback play. You had twenty You

743
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:24,440
Speaker 2: got twenty one touchdowns, six interceptions, and you had another

744
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:26,960
Speaker 2: seven rushing touchdowns out of your quarterback position.

745
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 3: It's a lot more production than you've gotten in a while. Yeah,

746
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:32,799
Speaker 3: I mean it just is.

747
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:35,919
Speaker 2: No, you know, you got twenty was it twenty eight

748
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:39,440
Speaker 2: touchdowns out of the quarterback position and six interceptions.

749
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, that wasn't like a lot of negative came with it. Yeah, so,

750
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:47,880
Speaker 3: but how many steios run on the list? Three? Boz

751
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:50,360
Speaker 3: Hayward Watt, that was it. You need to get an

752
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:52,719
Speaker 3: offensive guy on there. You get some offensive players on there.

753
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:55,080
Speaker 2: You could make an argument that, you know, if Pickens

754
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:56,799
Speaker 2: hadn't missed some time, it was did he have a

755
00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:58,240
Speaker 2: better season than Zay Flowers?

756
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:01,719
Speaker 3: Maybe I would say yes, Yeah, I know, Flowers one

757
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:03,040
Speaker 3: of the Pro Bowl and Pickings didn't.

758
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:05,719
Speaker 2: The Flowers only scored four touchdowns, Right, It's not like

759
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:08,279
Speaker 2: he was just you know, dynamic playmaker.

760
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:13,000
Speaker 3: Fraser might have been my next center. Talking about offensive players, Yeah,

761
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 3: pretty tough for a tight end to get on there.

762
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:18,800
Speaker 3: There's only like three. Yeah, guards aren't getting on there.

763
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:23,080
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, but they do have some young guys. Could

764
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:26,439
Speaker 2: you make a case for Joey Porter jr mm hmm.

765
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:32,200
Speaker 3: What about like next year, what if Fotanu, Fraser, Porter, Pickens,

766
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 3: Three of those four are on there.

767
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 2: Okay, that means that means you had a better season and.

768
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 3: Your your young guys are on yeah, you know, and

769
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 3: Cam and Watt didn't fall off or you.

770
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 2: Know, yeah, or maybe make a fitspastricks back, make it.

771
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:44,960
Speaker 3: Should be make it could probably still be on there now,

772
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:48,319
Speaker 3: you know, right. Yeah, so that's where they're at.

773
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:50,839
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't again, I don't think they're far

774
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 2: far away as some people seem to suggest. I just

775
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:56,799
Speaker 2: think again they need more, yeah, more, give me more.

776
00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:59,439
Speaker 2: But it's not the worst roster. It's not the worst roster.

777
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:02,800
Speaker 3: There's some seems to have anybody on here. There's tons

778
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:04,760
Speaker 3: that had one or two. Yeah, I mean the Titans

779
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 3: had won, the Raiders had two. I'm just trying to

780
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 3: think that the Browns had round one one one high

781
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 3: and then nothing. I don't even who their next guy

782
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:15,840
Speaker 3: would be. Yeah, maybe j okay if he stays healthy

783
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 3: or ward. But I don't think they were one oh

784
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:20,759
Speaker 3: one no, you know. Yeah, So that's where they're at.

785
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:24,480
Speaker 3: Are kind of the funniest one. Yeah, three guys really

786
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 3: high and nothing else. I'm sure Higgins would have come

787
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:29,920
Speaker 3: if they if they ranked the top five hundred, Higgins

788
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:32,440
Speaker 3: probably wouldn't be that far off, but then the next

789
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 3: guy would have been really far off, now really far off,

790
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 3: really far off.

791
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:40,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was seth Walter from ESPN Analytics. That's how

792
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 2: he looked at the MVP award.

793
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:45,239
Speaker 3: Who was the most value?

794
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 2: He wasn't necessarily looking at them in terms of overall play,

795
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:49,319
Speaker 2: and that.

796
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:51,120
Speaker 3: Was all position had a ton to do it. The

797
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:53,120
Speaker 3: position had a ton to do it at least twentieth

798
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 3: or whatever.

799
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:56,319
Speaker 2: Kyler Murray's haad, you know, right, some of those, right,

800
00:38:56,440 --> 00:39:00,120
Speaker 2: But he was Kyler Murray was very valuable. Yeah, at

801
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 2: Arizona Cardinals team.

802
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 3: Right, if they would have had Dobbs all year, they

803
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:04,840
Speaker 3: may not have won a gain, right, you know. So

804
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 3: it doesn't mean that he's the best quarterback in the league.

805
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 2: No, Right, anyways, let's get to a break. He is

806
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:11,840
Speaker 2: Matt Williamson. I am Dale Lollie. You're listening to the

807
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 2: Drive here on the Steelers Audio Network, Matt, and I'll

808
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 2: be back with more right after this.

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Speaker 1: He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on

810
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:25,719
Speaker 1: your twenty four to seven home of the Black and

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Speaker 1: Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

812
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:34,480
Speaker 3: Man. Welcome back. I'm Dale Lolly.

813
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:37,759
Speaker 2: He is the Matt Williamson and this is the Drive

814
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:41,239
Speaker 2: on the Steelers Audio Network. And Matt news comes out

815
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Speaker 2: today that Steelers defensive backs coach Grady Brown interviewed for

816
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 2: the defensive coordinator position with the Atlanta Falcons.

817
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:55,000
Speaker 3: Okay, I didn't know any of that news. Okay, good

818
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 3: for him. I hope he gets a job. I mean,

819
00:39:56,640 --> 00:40:01,719
Speaker 3: that's wonderful. I this time year, I always preface it

820
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:06,400
Speaker 3: because I've been in buildings commenting on assistant coaches. Coordinators

821
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:10,439
Speaker 3: is hard. Commenting on assistant coaches is nearly impossible. Even

822
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:14,040
Speaker 3: if it's me, there a lot you there every day.

823
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Speaker 3: It's hard. You're not in the meeting rooms year, you're

824
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:18,439
Speaker 3: not in the meeting You don't know what his job

825
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:22,759
Speaker 3: was on Wednesday of Eagles week, you know what I mean,

826
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 3: Like they all have their specific jobs or what was

827
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 3: asked of them, or you can say, well he turned

828
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:31,839
Speaker 3: Porter into a good player, or he got a lot

829
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:34,239
Speaker 3: out of this guy. But he's also not alone in

830
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:36,880
Speaker 3: that too. You know some of its scheme and coordinator

831
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:39,880
Speaker 3: and all those things. But good, I mean, that's what

832
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:40,480
Speaker 3: you want.

833
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 2: And if that were to happen, you would get a

834
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Speaker 2: compensatory third round pickback.

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Speaker 3: Oh okay, I didn't know that applied to coordinators. That

836
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 3: applies to coordinators. Yes, Oh okay, great, Well that'd be

837
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 3: even better. If it's a head coach, you get two

838
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:56,319
Speaker 3: or GM you get two two thirds. Yeah okay, if

839
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 3: it's because it's a minority, yeah right, right right.

840
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Speaker 2: And you know, I've been very impressed with Grady Brown

841
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:03,160
Speaker 2: over the years.

842
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 3: He actually heard good things.

843
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 2: He actually got a chance to be the defensive coordinator

844
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 2: a couple of years ago at the Senior Bowl. Yeah okay,

845
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:14,320
Speaker 2: so you know there was that opportunity and that's.

846
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 3: Not a throwaway. We know that's not very important, but

847
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:22,280
Speaker 3: I don't necessarily care if you you're not gonna scheme

848
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:23,800
Speaker 3: up the week.

849
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:26,240
Speaker 2: But you're putting together the practice schedule and yeah.

850
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:28,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, you do a lot of head coach type of stuff.

851
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:32,080
Speaker 3: And please present these guys so we can evaluate them

852
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:33,840
Speaker 3: that right, you know what I mean. Don't run a

853
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 3: bunch of his own and during the week, and you

854
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:37,840
Speaker 3: know that's not an easy job, No, it isn't.

855
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 2: So, uh, you know, good luck to Grady Brown with

856
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:41,880
Speaker 2: that one. Of course, we also know Arthur Smith is

857
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 2: interviewed for the Jets and the Bills.

858
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Speaker 3: Would that compict be in this upcoming draft? Yes, okay, okay,

859
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:52,600
Speaker 3: I would think the hiring comes now, So when they

860
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:55,239
Speaker 3: hand out those competitors. Yeah, you know, it's not like

861
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 3: free agency is a year of difference, you know.

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00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:01,800
Speaker 2: And uh, as I mentioned yesterday, Sheldon White also interviewed

863
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 2: for the Raiders GM job.

864
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 3: Oh did he so? Okay?

865
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 2: Their director of player pro Personnel.

866
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:09,600
Speaker 3: So he's got great reputation too.

867
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 2: Again for all these one of the things that I

868
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 2: hear the terrible staff, terrible, this terrible that Mike Tomlin

869
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 2: coaching tree, blah blah blah. He actually has guys being

870
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:21,600
Speaker 2: interviewed now by other teams.

871
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 3: I mean people are like, that doesn't mean they got

872
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 3: the job, but people are interested. What makes me a

873
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:30,600
Speaker 3: little crazy too. Just to go back a step, Arthur

874
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 3: Smith's exactly like Mack Canada. Nothing's ever changed. It still

875
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:35,799
Speaker 3: would be the terrible offense, like you don't know, you

876
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 3: really just don't know what's talking about. You really don't

877
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:40,280
Speaker 3: and the league doesn't agree with you at all? Yeah

878
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 3: at all. Yeah, you don't get I don't know he's

879
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:43,239
Speaker 3: gonna be a head coach this year.

880
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 2: No, but you don't get to head coaching interviews because

881
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 2: you're stunk.

882
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:50,840
Speaker 3: Or a head coaching job period. Yeah yeah, right.

883
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 2: Right, nobody's offering again. Loui an Arumo not only lost

884
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:56,680
Speaker 2: his job this offseason, but he's not getting any.

885
00:42:56,480 --> 00:43:00,480
Speaker 3: Head coaching interviews. No, no, they were bad. They were bad, right,

886
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 3: you know. I wonder if he'll I assume he'll be

887
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 3: a DC sum somewhere. Yeah, yeah, somewhere.

888
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 2: But yeah, I'm and I'm with you. I don't know

889
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:11,920
Speaker 2: from a day to day basis. I mean I watch practice,

890
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:14,080
Speaker 2: that doesn't mean I know exactly and I want I'm

891
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:15,160
Speaker 2: at every game.

892
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:17,439
Speaker 3: But the training camp around these guys, and.

893
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:19,880
Speaker 2: That doesn't mean that I know exactly what every guy does.

894
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 2: It's really hard, you know, and you know, you find

895
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:24,600
Speaker 2: things out or you talk to you know. That's why

896
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 2: one of the things that I like to do at

897
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 2: training camp is have a private conversation.

898
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 3: Either on or off the record, with every.

899
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:34,400
Speaker 2: Assistant coach on the you know that's there, especially the

900
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:35,799
Speaker 2: new guys. I want to get to know.

901
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 3: Them a little bit. I'm not speaking for you, but

902
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:39,960
Speaker 3: I'm sure I'm sure you'd be like that guy's more

903
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:42,040
Speaker 3: impressive than that guy, or this guy's more impressive of

904
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 3: like I bets future Yeah yeah, yeah, you know, like

905
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 3: man he comes across well, or especially the off the

906
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 3: record stuff, you know.

907
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:50,880
Speaker 2: And one of the things when when people talk about

908
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:56,120
Speaker 2: the quote unquote Mike Tomlin coaching tree, they never want

909
00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:59,920
Speaker 2: to give him credit for Bruce Arians. Now you could say, well,

910
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:01,960
Speaker 2: he just he brought he had Bruce Arians on his

911
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 2: roster or what he was on the team when he

912
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:07,080
Speaker 2: came over. Yeah, but Tomlin promoted him the offensive coordinator.

913
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:09,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, you could have fired him and he was.

914
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 2: He was the wide receivers coach when tom when Bill

915
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 2: Kauer left and Thomas said, no, I like that, We're

916
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:16,960
Speaker 2: going to promote him to offensive coordinator.

917
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:20,359
Speaker 3: He was the bright young mind sending up the coaching run.

918
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 2: And I know there's some stuff out there now because

919
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:25,800
Speaker 2: there was a recent uh you know, thirty for thirty

920
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:28,440
Speaker 2: or whatever it is, you know on Arians, and he

921
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:31,640
Speaker 2: talked about how how you know he was let go

922
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:37,399
Speaker 2: in Pittsburgh. You know that that was a decision made

923
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:40,879
Speaker 2: at the top of the pyramid that they wanted Ben

924
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 2: Roethlisberger protected better and Arians wouldn't do it.

925
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:49,319
Speaker 3: Arians seems like I wasn't around the team as much

926
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:51,239
Speaker 3: back then. He seems like an easy guy to root for.

927
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:54,239
Speaker 2: They had success, good guy and he was a good coordinator.

928
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he had success with the Cardinals and he's

929
00:44:57,320 --> 00:45:00,319
Speaker 3: had a good coaching career. Assuming he's probably we'll be

930
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:07,120
Speaker 3: done now. He got Luck, Palmer and Ben beat up,

931
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:10,120
Speaker 3: and people don't like that that are right in the checks.

932
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:12,680
Speaker 3: I mean, you want these guys the last as humanly possible.

933
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:15,680
Speaker 3: But that is a weakness of arians scheme. I mean,

934
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 3: that's just we're not gonna We're not gonna keep.

935
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:20,160
Speaker 2: A sick went in Tampa Bay until they decided to

936
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:22,799
Speaker 2: do it tom Brady's way, because Tom Brady didn't want

937
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:23,799
Speaker 2: to take all those hits either.

938
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 3: No, he's getting the ball out quicker. We're not doing

939
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:29,239
Speaker 3: seven step drops with five band protections over and over

940
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:34,439
Speaker 3: and over. And thankfully for Ben especially, but even Luck

941
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:36,920
Speaker 3: and Palmer they're big, strong dudes. I mean, Luck is

942
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:39,400
Speaker 3: a big, powerful person that could handle a beating. But

943
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:42,719
Speaker 3: he got beat He didn't Yeah, yeah, right, he just

944
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:43,440
Speaker 3: walked away. Yeah.

945
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 2: Would would Ben Roethlisberger have still been playing in twenty

946
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:50,920
Speaker 2: seventeen or twenty sixteen? You know if Arian said maybe not?

947
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, Luck might still be playing. He chose

948
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:56,799
Speaker 3: to leave that he was he got tired of it,

949
00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 3: right right right?

950
00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:00,560
Speaker 2: You know, So there's some of that too, you know,

951
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:03,400
Speaker 2: but nobody wants to give Tomlin credit for Bruce arians

952
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 2: And the other thing about that particular conversation is how

953
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:16,040
Speaker 2: many of Tomlin's assistants have been older guys.

954
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:18,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, guys who had.

955
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 2: Been around the game, you know, forever, and they weren't

956
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:27,839
Speaker 2: interested in being head coaches. They weren't they weren't viewed

957
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:29,840
Speaker 2: as that they were. You know, Dick Lebou had already

958
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 2: been there and done that right, right right, He wasn't

959
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:33,440
Speaker 2: going to go back and be a head coach again. Otherwise,

960
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:35,680
Speaker 2: if Dick l Bow when they were putting together the

961
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:38,919
Speaker 2: defenses that they were putting together during his run here,

962
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:41,799
Speaker 2: if he'd have been fifteen years younger.

963
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:43,920
Speaker 3: Oh, he'd been a whiz kid. He'd have been a whiskey.

964
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:45,960
Speaker 2: And Dick Labo is getting and he had never been

965
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:48,319
Speaker 2: a head coach before somebody was coming in to hire

966
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:48,759
Speaker 2: Dick Lobo.

967
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 3: He had been hired, he'd have been right this time

968
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:55,919
Speaker 3: of year, he'd be doing five head coaching sure, much

969
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:58,160
Speaker 3: like the Lions DC is. Yeah, you know, I mean,

970
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:01,200
Speaker 3: it's exactly how it would be. The Other thing people

971
00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:04,200
Speaker 3: never think of this, but there's a human element to it,

972
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:09,239
Speaker 3: Unlike any organization in the history of sports. There's been

973
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:13,279
Speaker 3: three head coaches here, and maybe you're might making fun

974
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:15,399
Speaker 3: of running back coaches or tight end coaches, but they're

975
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:17,759
Speaker 3: lower on the chain of command than the quarterback coach

976
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:20,400
Speaker 3: or whatever be in the running back coach or the

977
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:24,840
Speaker 3: tight end coach or even the quarterback coach in Pittsburgh.

978
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:29,319
Speaker 3: Instead of moving your family all over the country, might

979
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:32,239
Speaker 3: be worth just sticking here, you know what I mean? Like,

980
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:37,279
Speaker 3: could Spagnolo's almost like Lebo? Does he really want to

981
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:41,279
Speaker 3: start over and be a head coach for a terrible organization?

982
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 3: Or does the linebacker coach for Kansas City want to

983
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:49,319
Speaker 3: be the defensive coordinator with on Arizona that doesn't have

984
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:51,799
Speaker 3: any good players? Or do they want to keep their

985
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:54,160
Speaker 3: kids in school and live in the same neighborhood for

986
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:57,880
Speaker 3: ten years and maybe make a few dollars less but

987
00:47:58,040 --> 00:48:01,319
Speaker 3: have immense job security? Right? What would you guys rather?

988
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:04,400
Speaker 3: Do you know? I mean, whatever your job is, do

989
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:06,960
Speaker 3: you want to go to Seattle for a I'm gonna

990
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:10,840
Speaker 3: say Seattle's bad organization. If you work for Apple or

991
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:12,440
Speaker 3: you're in a computer field, do you want to go

992
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:16,520
Speaker 3: to a lesser organization, someone that is lesser players, and

993
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:19,360
Speaker 3: see what you can do? Or are you pretty happy

994
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:22,840
Speaker 3: in your hometown where you're at or you know, wherever

995
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:23,560
Speaker 3: you live right.

996
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:26,480
Speaker 2: Now, because a lot of times moving stinks a lot

997
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:32,080
Speaker 2: of times with those interview that interview process happens because

998
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:36,120
Speaker 2: the coach's agent and they all have agents now, folks,

999
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:39,719
Speaker 2: which is important, right, puts the feelers out there, Hey,

1000
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:42,880
Speaker 2: my guys interested in this or my guys interested in that?

1001
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:45,479
Speaker 2: And if your guys, if he's happy where he's at,

1002
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:47,880
Speaker 2: the agent doesn't put out any feelers.

1003
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:49,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, you want me to try to get you a

1004
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:53,040
Speaker 3: DC job for probably not going to be the best

1005
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:55,960
Speaker 3: defensive staff or talent in the league because I thought

1006
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:56,640
Speaker 3: I didn't get fired.

1007
00:48:56,719 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 2: Let's say, you know, you can get you a coordinator

1008
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:01,880
Speaker 2: job or you know this job or that job, and

1009
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:05,719
Speaker 2: you'll be moving to New York and well, New York.

1010
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:09,279
Speaker 2: It's it's a it's a pay raise, but is it

1011
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:12,560
Speaker 2: perfect example, it's going to cost you an extra hundred

1012
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:14,840
Speaker 2: thousand dollars a year to live in New York, to

1013
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:16,400
Speaker 2: live in New Jersey, New York area.

1014
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:18,920
Speaker 3: Perfect example. When I was a pit with Walt Harris.

1015
00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:22,279
Speaker 3: Shortly after I left for Akron, he got hired to

1016
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:26,360
Speaker 3: be Stanford's head coach, and he wanted to take most

1017
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:29,680
Speaker 3: or all of his staff with him, and people like

1018
00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:32,240
Speaker 3: the running back coach said, I can't afford to go coach,

1019
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:37,239
Speaker 3: like I'm losing money. Yeah, Stanford's expensive compared to Pittsburgh.

1020
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:40,720
Speaker 3: You know, it's a huge difference, just like real people's jobs.

1021
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:43,279
Speaker 3: When I'm talking about millionaires, these are real people that

1022
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:46,920
Speaker 3: are making sometimes under six figures. You know, a lot

1023
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:49,439
Speaker 3: of them under six figures. You know, running back coach

1024
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:51,600
Speaker 3: for Akron didn't make six figures. I didn't make six

1025
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 3: figures at Akron, right, yeah, not even close.

1026
00:49:57,200 --> 00:49:59,279
Speaker 2: Sometimes not five figures, right right.

1027
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:02,680
Speaker 3: I tell this story all the time. I mean, when

1028
00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:07,560
Speaker 3: we got hired at Akron, we hired Dukes recently or

1029
00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:12,800
Speaker 3: just fired defensive coordinator, and North Carolina's just fired offensive coordinator.

1030
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:16,640
Speaker 3: They sold these tiny little school houses in Chapel Hill

1031
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:20,880
Speaker 3: and Duke and bought big ass houses in Akron. You know,

1032
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:21,520
Speaker 3: they're like, this.

1033
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:24,040
Speaker 2: Is all right, Yeah, that's all part of It's part

1034
00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:25,279
Speaker 2: of it, right, It's all a big part of it.

1035
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:27,160
Speaker 2: But anyways, let's gay to a break that's going to

1036
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:28,680
Speaker 2: do it for our number one of the Drive.

1037
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:30,719
Speaker 3: He is Matt Williamson.

1038
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:33,040
Speaker 2: I am Dale, Lolly. You're listening to the Drive here

1039
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:34,880
Speaker 2: on the Steelers Audio Network. Matt and I will be

1040
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 2: back with our number two right after this