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Speaker 1: What's happening? Straight Shoot? Does this is your girl? Teslam?

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Speaker 1: And ever since then we've just been tight. Best the

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Speaker 1: homie Alori Jacobs, welcome to the what's going on, Let's go,

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Speaker 1: Let's go? Yes, yes, Um and me and Tesla And

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Speaker 1: are doing with their time. So a little bit on

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00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:07,520
Speaker 1: doing that type of time you read two thousand books.

427
00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:09,840
Speaker 1: You just mentioned you had to figure out how to

428
00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:12,639
Speaker 1: get yourself out that situation. Can you tell us a

429
00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:17,440
Speaker 1: little bit about that journey and how landed you to clemency. Yeah. Yeah,

430
00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:20,639
Speaker 1: it's like it's like I knew right that the government,

431
00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:23,600
Speaker 1: you know, they classified right, they are always watching you.

432
00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:27,159
Speaker 1: So you have Corey Jacobs, right, and Corey Jacobs is

433
00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:29,359
Speaker 1: in there, and Corey Jacobs has a mind, and Corey

434
00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:31,760
Speaker 1: Jacobs could come out and do great things, you know,

435
00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:35,439
Speaker 1: And so that's why you're imprisoning this being that's just

436
00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:37,520
Speaker 1: one of the things, just a stifle. I'll pretend you right,

437
00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:40,120
Speaker 1: locked the way through the the way the key, right.

438
00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:44,600
Speaker 1: So while I was in prison, I knew that, um

439
00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:47,440
Speaker 1: I had to show them another side of Corey, which

440
00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:49,280
Speaker 1: was very difficult. Right. So when as soon as I

441
00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:51,960
Speaker 1: got in prison, I started programming. And people will always

442
00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:54,119
Speaker 1: ask me like your why is your programming you have

443
00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:57,600
Speaker 1: life now because now we have to do the propaganda,

444
00:21:58,040 --> 00:21:59,920
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, to go against the proper

445
00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:02,320
Speaker 1: that they're putting against us. And I only in a

446
00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:04,480
Speaker 1: way that I knew at the end of the day

447
00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:07,159
Speaker 1: after looking at the laws, looking at you know, and

448
00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:09,840
Speaker 1: the ambiguous nature of the law, you know, and how

449
00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:13,359
Speaker 1: they play all these games. You know, that I had

450
00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:16,399
Speaker 1: to present an image of Corey Jacobs other than what

451
00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:19,439
Speaker 1: they was presenting, right, And I went on that journey

452
00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:21,240
Speaker 1: from the day one that I went in there. That

453
00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:23,679
Speaker 1: was a very difficult journey because I was what it

454
00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:26,160
Speaker 1: is is that they try to trap you. Because for me,

455
00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:28,040
Speaker 1: it was my first time in prison, and I'm at

456
00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:31,840
Speaker 1: the most violent prison in the entire federal system, right,

457
00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:35,240
Speaker 1: which is called Pollock Louisiana USP right as a as

458
00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:38,840
Speaker 1: a maximum security prison, and they called it bloody Pollock. Right.

459
00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:41,479
Speaker 1: So when I got in there, you know, in the

460
00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:44,320
Speaker 1: middle of me like you know, doing classes, I created

461
00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:46,000
Speaker 1: programs while I was in there. I was trying to

462
00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:48,600
Speaker 1: do everything they showed it. I'm a conservational asset. You

463
00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:51,880
Speaker 1: have to deal with the violence that's in that's that's

464
00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:54,800
Speaker 1: going on in the population. You know, so how how

465
00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:56,600
Speaker 1: I looked at it, I just try to always say

466
00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:59,680
Speaker 1: gold conscious on what the goal was, which was freedom,

467
00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:03,600
Speaker 1: and anything that went against freedom wasn't a part of

468
00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:09,320
Speaker 1: that goal, right, So like basically basically because there's so

469
00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:12,480
Speaker 1: much Yeah, and I'm glad you Pauls right there, because

470
00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:14,520
Speaker 1: I want to you say something very powerful. I was

471
00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:18,800
Speaker 1: over writing notes. You went in with the mindset to

472
00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:22,199
Speaker 1: get out. I think that it is so powerful. You know,

473
00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:25,920
Speaker 1: a lot of people go in, you know, at least

474
00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:27,600
Speaker 1: it takes them a couple of years to kind of

475
00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:29,639
Speaker 1: just are. They go in like I'm gonna fight, I'm

476
00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:32,040
Speaker 1: gonna do whatever I gotta. I got ten years, I

477
00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:34,280
Speaker 1: got fifteen years. I'll deal with that when I get

478
00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:37,040
Speaker 1: closer to my date. Because they can't see that date,

479
00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:39,320
Speaker 1: you know, it's not realistic to them to get out.

480
00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:43,000
Speaker 1: So I thought that was powerful that you went in

481
00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:46,120
Speaker 1: with the mindset to get out. Even though life sentences

482
00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:49,240
Speaker 1: are typically I mean they're they're designed to be life sentences.

483
00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:52,399
Speaker 1: So my question was, is how do you have the

484
00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:55,080
Speaker 1: mindset going in with the idea to get out? In

485
00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:57,600
Speaker 1: other words, you couldn't predict you would get You didn't

486
00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:00,159
Speaker 1: know that those things would happen. You didn't know what

487
00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:02,479
Speaker 1: kept you grounded. I mean, I'm sure you got tested

488
00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:06,440
Speaker 1: like everybody. You know that due time, you know, multiple

489
00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:08,919
Speaker 1: knife fights and anything like that, because at the end

490
00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:10,640
Speaker 1: of the day, you have to survive. It doesn't matter

491
00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:12,879
Speaker 1: if I end up in a box. You know what

492
00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:15,520
Speaker 1: I'm saying. You know, I'm not lettingbody putting a box

493
00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:17,719
Speaker 1: for this. So it's like a catch pointy two. It's

494
00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:19,639
Speaker 1: like if I when I have to stab somebody to

495
00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:22,800
Speaker 1: protect my well being, right, I know that's putting me

496
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:25,880
Speaker 1: farther away from freedom because now you take a person

497
00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:28,680
Speaker 1: that was a non violent individual, and now they put

498
00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:31,320
Speaker 1: you in these situations. They put these people together, knowing

499
00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:33,560
Speaker 1: how people are classified, and then they get you to

500
00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:35,320
Speaker 1: do these things that you know you can't help but

501
00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:37,919
Speaker 1: to do, and then I put you further you know,

502
00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:41,000
Speaker 1: buries you even further into your sentence. Right, So if

503
00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:42,800
Speaker 1: I had a chance to get out, you know what

504
00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:45,080
Speaker 1: I'm saying, After I understand a couple of people and

505
00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:47,080
Speaker 1: they put that on my on my record and they

506
00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:50,280
Speaker 1: start classifying me as a dangerous person, They're like, yes,

507
00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:54,159
Speaker 1: we got, we got and we gotta to jump out there,

508
00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:59,800
Speaker 1: Korey Jacobs, you would never see you know, daylight ever again. Right.

509
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:03,439
Speaker 1: But I still even after that, I still didn't believe

510
00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:06,880
Speaker 1: that because what was the motivation was like I always

511
00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:10,159
Speaker 1: believed I had a higher calling all my life, you

512
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:12,320
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. I always believe My grandmother always

513
00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:14,840
Speaker 1: used to tell me, like Corey, that you're you're special,

514
00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:17,840
Speaker 1: You're one of God's favorites, and you're gonna do something amazing,

515
00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:20,160
Speaker 1: and you know, and I always looked at my grandmother

516
00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:22,119
Speaker 1: even to this day. She passed away right before I

517
00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:24,240
Speaker 1: got out. And then you know, my slogan is like

518
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:25,919
Speaker 1: we did it Grandma, you know what I mean. And

519
00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:28,760
Speaker 1: it's like part of it was, you know, her spirit

520
00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:31,240
Speaker 1: staying with me throughout the journey, right, you know what

521
00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:33,640
Speaker 1: she taught me or she sacrificed to take her only

522
00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:36,440
Speaker 1: grandson and when her mother, you know, when his mother

523
00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:39,399
Speaker 1: or her daughter wasn't handled her responsibilities. You know, at

524
00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:42,639
Speaker 1: the end of the day, I was upset because I

525
00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:45,679
Speaker 1: feel like I knew my heart right, I knew my

526
00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:49,400
Speaker 1: hand didn't called for spending the rest of my life

527
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:51,879
Speaker 1: in prison. So the journey I was at balking on

528
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:55,119
Speaker 1: was to not let these people win. And and another

529
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:56,760
Speaker 1: part of it, while I went to the program because

530
00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:59,680
Speaker 1: I knew it was important that you know that whatever

531
00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:02,840
Speaker 1: you engage, anybody's gonna feed you. Right. So if I'm

532
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:05,520
Speaker 1: programming and I'm doing a lot of positive stuff, although

533
00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:07,920
Speaker 1: I have to deal with the negativity that's in my surroundings,

534
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:10,240
Speaker 1: you know, saying, it's gonna help balance me out, right,

535
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:13,399
Speaker 1: So I never not program And at the end of it,

536
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:16,760
Speaker 1: I had over a hundred programs, you know, under my belt,

537
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:19,639
Speaker 1: with four or five resident you programs, and you know,

538
00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:21,520
Speaker 1: when my lawyers seeing it, it was like, we've never

539
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:23,879
Speaker 1: seen nobody that programmed this much. And that ended up

540
00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:27,200
Speaker 1: being a deciding factor, one of the deciding factors for

541
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:28,879
Speaker 1: for them to not just be able to be like

542
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:32,880
Speaker 1: this guy, you know, attempted to better himself even when

543
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:35,000
Speaker 1: he didn't have to, from the day when he got

544
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:37,359
Speaker 1: to prison all the way when I got out, I

545
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:39,679
Speaker 1: was in a program, you know what I'm saying. So

546
00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:43,080
Speaker 1: I had to look at the long game, right. It

547
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:45,280
Speaker 1: wasn't a short game, and I think that's where a

548
00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:46,959
Speaker 1: lot of people mess up. A lot of people come

549
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:48,520
Speaker 1: in and it was like, oh, they did this on

550
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:50,640
Speaker 1: my case, Oh they didn't have no drugs, and they

551
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:53,320
Speaker 1: harper on that, right, they harper or the fact that's

552
00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:55,719
Speaker 1: they don't care about that, you know, at the end

553
00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:57,680
Speaker 1: of the day, and then you get burnt out because

554
00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:00,159
Speaker 1: you get your hurt because you you know, you have

555
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:02,560
Speaker 1: actually you have your appeal is just supposed to win

556
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:05,480
Speaker 1: and you don't win. That's the one thing I always say,

557
00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:09,280
Speaker 1: keep your helmet on, right because people are put emotion

558
00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:11,879
Speaker 1: in it and it'll be like, Okay, I got these people.

559
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:13,600
Speaker 1: They shouldn't have did that. They wasn't gonna do that.

560
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:17,479
Speaker 1: But I always knew that, you know, never, you know,

561
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:20,760
Speaker 1: never over I said, keep your humblet on because if

562
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:22,800
Speaker 1: you don't keep your helmet on and you have an accident,

563
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:24,640
Speaker 1: you're gonna bust your heads, you know what I'm saying.

564
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:27,919
Speaker 1: You're not gonna be prepared to just keep fighting. So

565
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:30,040
Speaker 1: even when I put emotion and I was hopeful, but

566
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:32,440
Speaker 1: I was always ready to get back, you know, and

567
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:35,200
Speaker 1: start fighting some more because I know they just wasn't

568
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:37,000
Speaker 1: gonna give it to me, you know what I'm saying.

569
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 1: So I love to learn that wasn't one thing that

570
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:42,400
Speaker 1: helped me. I dove into books. I love to learn.

571
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:45,600
Speaker 1: I love to better myself. So I think that actually

572
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:48,280
Speaker 1: helped me in the journey because I was always growing

573
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:51,359
Speaker 1: and I knew that what they was trying to do,

574
00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:54,840
Speaker 1: in my opinion, was washed us up. They was trying

575
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:56,959
Speaker 1: to wash me up. Right, So I said, when I

576
00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:59,520
Speaker 1: get out, because I'm gonna get out one day. I

577
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 1: don't want to the shadow of my old self, right,

578
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:03,720
Speaker 1: I don't want to because it would be useless to

579
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:05,520
Speaker 1: do a t years and it come out and I

580
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:08,440
Speaker 1: can't add no value nowhere. Right, I'm not that, do

581
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:10,879
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. I'm great, you know what

582
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:13,399
Speaker 1: I'm saying, and you know, And I felt like I

583
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:15,440
Speaker 1: went in there. There was a reason I went in

584
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 1: there because there wasn't many people that can, like, you know,

585
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:20,520
Speaker 1: really handle that situation as far as in you know,

586
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:23,800
Speaker 1: in my surroundings and then come out better and then

587
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:26,720
Speaker 1: and come out and add value and contribute to the

588
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 1: legacy that was started. Right. So so I always had

589
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 1: that in my mind. I'm like, I'm gonna get out, right,

590
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:34,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna learn, I'm gonna be a beast,

591
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:36,000
Speaker 1: and then I'm gonna come out. You know, and I'm

592
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 1: and I'm and I'm gonna change the narrative or what

593
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 1: it looks like for a person to have going what

594
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:43,760
Speaker 1: I went through and get back into society, because for one,

595
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 1: you know, changing the Narrative's plenty ways to fight, right,

596
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:49,440
Speaker 1: There's plenty ways to go out. And you have the

597
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:53,000
Speaker 1: the you have the congressional you know, following motions, you

598
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:56,160
Speaker 1: have going at the um Congress, you have you know,

599
00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 1: changing up the laws. But then you also have perception.

600
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:01,800
Speaker 1: And I think perception is one of the biggest things

601
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 1: that allow these people to do what they're doing to us.

602
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, how they're looking as how

603
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 1: they demonize the black man, you know what I'm saying,

604
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 1: the way that they do so that you don't even

605
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:11,960
Speaker 1: care that I got sixteen life sentences and I got

606
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:14,160
Speaker 1: three kids and they're out here without a daddy where

607
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:16,240
Speaker 1: I can come out maybe in five or six or

608
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:18,600
Speaker 1: ten years and be in their life and and teach

609
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 1: them the things that about the mistakes that I made

610
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:24,080
Speaker 1: and help them, you know, you know, grow which asks

611
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:27,280
Speaker 1: to society, which that rips away from the fabric of family,

612
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:28,840
Speaker 1: which I feel is one of you know, one of

613
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:30,960
Speaker 1: the goals, right, one of the goals put you in

614
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:33,280
Speaker 1: a prison way out from where you're from, so people

615
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:35,920
Speaker 1: can't visit. You charge your three dollars and fifty center call.

616
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:39,120
Speaker 1: When phone calls are free, you have the internet calls everything,

617
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 1: charge you five center call, I mean for emails, and

618
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:45,479
Speaker 1: charge you enormous amounts of money for the food. And

619
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 1: and you know that breaks the most individuals. You know

620
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, That breaks most individuals. And it hurts people.

621
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:53,640
Speaker 1: You know, it hurts you to be down down there

622
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 1: and stripped of everything, not even a way to make

623
00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:59,320
Speaker 1: any money for yourself, right, So the system system, and

624
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 1: it hurt. Yeah. Yeah, if you know, I have like

625
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:05,600
Speaker 1: for me, like you know, if you you know, a

626
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 1: lot of people just feel like, like, yo, we're gonna

627
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:10,240
Speaker 1: never see Corey again. We're not gonna see him again.

628
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:12,280
Speaker 1: I'm gonna see him as the government, you know what

629
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:14,640
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So people just live on their lives. You

630
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 1: call them. You know, you did so much for so

631
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:19,120
Speaker 1: many people, and you you start to see you learn

632
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:21,680
Speaker 1: so much about friendship, you learn you learned so much

633
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 1: about loyalty, You learn so much about yourself, right, you

634
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:27,200
Speaker 1: learned about who you valued as friends, who you put

635
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:29,640
Speaker 1: your energy into, who you put your faith in, and

636
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 1: then everything becomes clear. It's clear now who you're Oh

637
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:37,280
Speaker 1: that was my friend because we hit chicks together. Oh

638
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 1: oh because oh I I used to do this and

639
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 1: I you know, anytime you called me, I would do

640
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:43,400
Speaker 1: this and I'll pass you a few dollars and I

641
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 1: and I'm pushing the movement. I'm doing X Y Z. Oh.

642
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 1: But you was never I called you my brother, but

643
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:50,520
Speaker 1: she wasn't really never my brother. You was just like

644
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:52,320
Speaker 1: you know, it was just using me for what you

645
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:54,600
Speaker 1: could use me for. When you no longer was useful,

646
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:57,520
Speaker 1: you know, you went on and found another friend. Right,

647
00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 1: So so those you come into those other standings, that's

648
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 1: what it's about. That's when you say about you come

649
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 1: and you want to talk to individuals that you know

650
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 1: that the old gs and different things, that these lessons

651
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:10,720
Speaker 1: that can get past the long right to people that

652
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:13,120
Speaker 1: are of value. Right, how do and people were in

653
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 1: a pandemic? Right? How do I do eighty years three

654
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:19,480
Speaker 1: years in solitary confinement and keep my mind in attacked?

655
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:20,959
Speaker 1: What do you do? What are your methods? What are

656
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 1: your tactics? What are your tools and your toolbox? You know,

657
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 1: how did you meditate? How did you come acrourse meditation?

658
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 1: And how did that help you? How do I go

659
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:30,000
Speaker 1: about it? You know, for me, it's easy to be

660
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 1: in a pandemic. It's a kate walk, you know what

661
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 1: I'm saying. You know, we're there getting no hugs. I

662
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 1: got a guy in going to the back food in

663
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 1: the room with me. You know, it's light out with

664
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:41,960
Speaker 1: thee that I'll sell at nine o'clock and it's still

665
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:44,280
Speaker 1: sunny out, and you the doors are locked, and you know,

666
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:47,520
Speaker 1: people out there driving in the droptop hugging they vives

667
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 1: and you know, picking their kids up from school. That's

668
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:53,959
Speaker 1: that's torturous. Let's go over with for year after year

669
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:57,120
Speaker 1: after years. So it's all about how you look at things, right,

670
00:31:57,320 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. As bad as it was,

671
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 1: I never tried to focus on those things, the people

672
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:03,960
Speaker 1: that wasn't there for me that I was there for.

673
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 1: I never focused on that, you know, um Um. I

674
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 1: looked at you know, though my situation was what it was.

675
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 1: I knew that there was people starving somewhere, you know,

676
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 1: in third world countries, right that I was eating. I

677
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 1: wasn't the best food that I was eating, But you

678
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:20,720
Speaker 1: know what, I am eating right, and I have an opportunity.

679
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:23,240
Speaker 1: I didn't do anything so drastic that I don't have

680
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 1: an opportunity at freedom. Right. I knew in my heart

681
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 1: some people know you know what you did. You know

682
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 1: you know that you went and did something you can

683
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 1: A lot of people can say, oh, I adn't do nothing, No,

684
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 1: but the day you did that that nobody knows right.

685
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 1: The universe knows, and if you believe in God, God

686
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 1: knows right. So so for me, I knew in my

687
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 1: heart I never did anything to die in prison. And

688
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:46,280
Speaker 1: I went. I rocked with back and I said that

689
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 1: my last breath. You know what I'm saying, that I'm

690
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 1: gonna get out of here. I don't know how I'm

691
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:52,040
Speaker 1: gonna get out of here. I don't see no light

692
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 1: at the end of the tunnel. A matter of fact,

693
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 1: I didn't even see a tunnel. You know what I'm saying.

694
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 1: It wasn't even a tunnel. Look at I don't care

695
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 1: for the tunnel. I'm gonna make the tunnel and then

696
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:02,239
Speaker 1: it's gonna be something like what I'm saying. I don't know,

697
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:05,480
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, And that was my approach.

698
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 1: I figured, if I go in there, I beat myself.

699
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 1: I never changed who I was, and I always try

700
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 1: to impact people in a positive way. Everywhere I went.

701
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 1: I always made time for people, always passed through on wisdom,

702
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 1: always passed on information and knowledge, and I always promoted unity,

703
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 1: right and so I did that and a lot of

704
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:26,240
Speaker 1: times I did that when I was in the streets

705
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 1: and I and although you don't always get you don't

706
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 1: get rewarded in life either or in prison for being

707
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 1: a good dude. That's the one thing it took me

708
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:38,200
Speaker 1: like five or six years to be like yo, like

709
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 1: you know, because that's if you said a guy am

710
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:44,080
Speaker 1: then be like, oh, if you're too good, you know

711
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:47,640
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Oh, beloved that you know what I'm saying.

712
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 1: The game, he's a good dude. I got to I

713
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 1: got the devout with you. You know what I'm saying.

714
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 1: So one of the one of the biggest things I

715
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 1: had to learn was just how to say no, you

716
00:33:57,120 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. And once I learned how to

717
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 1: say no, I love no. I love no, it was

718
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 1: like yo, see king it clothes me seeing there you'll

719
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:07,960
Speaker 1: see kill we do? Can I get a you know,

720
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 1: saying for whatever and you love you like the smoke

721
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:12,799
Speaker 1: if you when you stop smoking, you're just smoking money

722
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:14,319
Speaker 1: to get that. You know what I'm saying, I'm not

723
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:18,440
Speaker 1: speeding your smoking habit. No, they'd be like okay, then

724
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 1: they'd be my best friend. You know if I gave

725
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 1: it to him, don you give it to him? Your here,

726
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:25,239
Speaker 1: no matter whatnot no, And I mean it, And I

727
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:27,799
Speaker 1: brought that no out here with me because I feel

728
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:29,920
Speaker 1: like that was like one of the like weakness is

729
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:31,839
Speaker 1: a kind of not not just to be like no, no, no,

730
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 1: no no bound you know, say no for things that

731
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:39,719
Speaker 1: ain't good for you. That's not you know, that's not

732
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 1: beneficial to your well being and standing doing that. You

733
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. That was something that that I

734
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:47,399
Speaker 1: had a hard time doing. I was the only child

735
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:49,400
Speaker 1: growing up, and you know, my grandmother always was very

736
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 1: giving it. I'll give it, I'll bring clothes down for

737
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 1: my friends. Do you know when I started getting money

738
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:56,279
Speaker 1: out of podcast watches and I buy you a car,

739
00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 1: and and when I got out the game, I gave

740
00:34:58,080 --> 00:34:59,880
Speaker 1: away cars. I left the game and just gave it

741
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 1: anybody everything, and I was like, I'm out of the game,

742
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And that was just to

743
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:06,719
Speaker 1: say a guy I was, you know what I'm saying.

744
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:09,560
Speaker 1: So I had to adjust. You know, it's an adjustment.

745
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:11,799
Speaker 1: You know, you learn, you know, you're live and you learn.

746
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 1: And I was tested on every kind of way. You know,

747
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 1: like you said, with the government, you're coming across and

748
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:19,920
Speaker 1: having to go, you know, go to trial and you

749
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 1: knowing that you could potentially, you know, lose the rest

750
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:25,280
Speaker 1: of your life. A lot of casts ain't cut for that.

751
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:27,440
Speaker 1: They're not making they're not making them people work, you

752
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:29,399
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. They're not they're gonna get. Even

753
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:33,000
Speaker 1: the guys who was tough, they're all told like the

754
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 1: tough guys is the ones that really told because they

755
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:37,920
Speaker 1: like they they're selfish, you know what I'm saying, And

756
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:41,359
Speaker 1: they're not. They're not taking responsibility for what you did,

757
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:42,640
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And that was just it's

758
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:45,719
Speaker 1: never something because really it's all about the heart. So

759
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 1: so let me ask you that because I always tell

760
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 1: people this when I'm advocating for drug offenses. First time,

761
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:54,040
Speaker 1: none body offenses that people that I know, most people

762
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:57,719
Speaker 1: that I know. It's not that you didn't take responsibility

763
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 1: for what you did. The issue was as being over sentenced.

764
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:04,799
Speaker 1: The issue was I knew that whatever I did, I

765
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:07,600
Speaker 1: didn't deserve to be in prison the rest of my life.

766
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 1: Or I knew that whatever I did, I didn't deserve

767
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 1: to spend the next twenty or thirty years. So you

768
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 1: have taken responsibility, and I just want to make sure

769
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:20,719
Speaker 1: we put that pen in there. Because you have taken responsibility.

770
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:26,440
Speaker 1: Our issue has always been the over sentencing. And because

771
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:29,880
Speaker 1: look when I go in right, there was no options.

772
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:33,280
Speaker 1: It's ever put twenty people in prison or do life right? Okay?

773
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:34,759
Speaker 1: And if I just said, you know I didn't, I

774
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:37,960
Speaker 1: had no problem. Yo, I did that. I did it, Yo,

775
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:40,760
Speaker 1: I'm willing to do that. No, there's no reasonable sentence,

776
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 1: but life in prison. It wasn't like no lesser sectors

777
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 1: for saying I did it. And that's wrong, right, So

778
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 1: so you have to go all the way, you say,

779
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 1: but said, Look, I went all the way, and what happened.

780
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:55,000
Speaker 1: I banged out with the people. I used my mind right,

781
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:58,040
Speaker 1: and I was able to figure out a way. You

782
00:36:58,080 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying it'd be blessed for the right

783
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:01,839
Speaker 1: people to come in my life in order to get

784
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 1: back out here, right, And that's just a beautiful feeling,

785
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 1: Like that's a beautiful feeling to be able to do that. Yeah,

786
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:08,759
Speaker 1: And I just want to make sure that people really

787
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:11,360
Speaker 1: understood that, because that's one of the misconceptions. You know,

788
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:13,919
Speaker 1: when I navicat no they deserved no how manies they're

789
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:16,439
Speaker 1: saying they didn't is that they didn't do nothing wrong.

790
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:18,440
Speaker 1: What we're saying is this is a big difference for

791
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 1: taking somebody's complete life away, especially for some ship that

792
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 1: you really didn't do your job and catch me with

793
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:27,360
Speaker 1: you just this is all based on three niggas getting

794
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:31,719
Speaker 1: on the stand right. You're actually they're getting people to

795
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:33,879
Speaker 1: come in their live to get to get the number,

796
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:36,759
Speaker 1: how to give me the most time, knowing their life.

797
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:39,719
Speaker 1: You're going in there, giving them the swift to tell,

798
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 1: knowing they don't even know me, knowing other guys are

799
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:45,960
Speaker 1: fading the numbers so they could get less time. You

800
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 1: are breaking the law, you know what I'm saying, as

801
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:59,320
Speaker 1: you're breaking the law. M damn. So Barack Obama was

802
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:03,279
Speaker 1: toly criticized, you know for not doing more. A lot

803
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:05,840
Speaker 1: of homies that was doing time when he was elected

804
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:08,880
Speaker 1: really thought, you know, he would have the opportunity to

805
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 1: even out the crack cocaine disparage. A lot of them

806
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:14,520
Speaker 1: just misinformed how it works, so on and so forth.

807
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:18,920
Speaker 1: But for you his presidency, you did get clemency the

808
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 1: day you find out. Kind of tell us a little

809
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 1: bit about, you know, when you found out, you know

810
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:29,480
Speaker 1: that you were granted clemency, and also you mentioned, you know,

811
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 1: your grandmother didn't get a chance to see that, and

812
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:34,920
Speaker 1: I know that's painful for you. And and clearly you

813
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 1: believe in God, so I know they mean that you

814
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:39,359
Speaker 1: believe in an afterlife, so you know that she knows now.

815
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:42,160
Speaker 1: But tell us a little bit about because I definitely

816
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:44,279
Speaker 1: want to get into the barrier project, but I think

817
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:47,239
Speaker 1: this is important that people know what that meant for

818
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 1: you to finally get clemency and how that affected, you know,

819
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:53,960
Speaker 1: the the joy of getting out, but also the sorrow

820
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 1: of you know, your grandmother who raised you, who didn't

821
00:38:57,080 --> 00:38:59,879
Speaker 1: get an opportunity. Yeah, my grandmother, she was just such

822
00:38:59,920 --> 00:39:01,920
Speaker 1: a sweetheart, you know, and she and I said, she

823
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 1: raised me, you know, put me through school, always had

824
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 1: biggest hopes for me, you know. She wrapped her arms

825
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 1: around me when you know, really my mother, like I said,

826
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:12,759
Speaker 1: a band and her responsibilities, you know, and so wait

827
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 1: before she passed away, she was just like almost ninety

828
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:17,799
Speaker 1: and she just couldn't really her fire was burning out,

829
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:21,000
Speaker 1: you know, she really couldn't um. But she tried to

830
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:22,879
Speaker 1: wait for me. But the last thing she said, God

831
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:25,960
Speaker 1: always answers my prayers. And I don't know why he

832
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:28,920
Speaker 1: hasn't answered them, you know, but whatever you do, like

833
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:31,479
Speaker 1: do not stop fighting, Corey, Like you know what I'm saying,

834
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:33,960
Speaker 1: You're done. Not Remember I told you, like you're great,

835
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 1: you know, and you're gonna do great things in this world.

836
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:37,800
Speaker 1: And I said, I want Grandma. And I was like

837
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 1: the last time I talked you know what I'm saying,

838
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 1: before like the the the the chaplain came to my door,

839
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 1: you know, like two weeks later, and he was like, um,

840
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:49,880
Speaker 1: I want to I have to talk to you the chaplain,

841
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:51,759
Speaker 1: you know, but he was the head of the program,

842
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:53,920
Speaker 1: so he wasn't. He said, I'm being I'm in my

843
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 1: role as a chaplain right now. And I was like, oh, wow,

844
00:39:56,719 --> 00:40:01,319
Speaker 1: that's grandma. He said, yes, it's your grandmother. You know,

845
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 1: that's tough, you know, So you know at the end

846
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 1: of the day, right at the end of the day,

847
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:10,680
Speaker 1: you know, that was like more motivation as things got harder,

848
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:13,719
Speaker 1: as you're going to year fifteen, sixteen seventeen and things

849
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:16,680
Speaker 1: of that nature. So so I had did the clemency

850
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 1: run Brittany, Brittany who was my lawyer, she took my

851
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:21,879
Speaker 1: case and um, we went on this mission to fight

852
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:24,840
Speaker 1: for my freedom, and um, it was getting close to

853
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:27,799
Speaker 1: the wire and President Obama, Um, it was in the

854
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:31,520
Speaker 1: final hour. Like it was December nineteenth. I remember being

855
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:34,720
Speaker 1: December nineteenth. On the sixtieth of December, which was a Friday,

856
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:38,080
Speaker 1: I remember seeing President Obama on CNN and he was

857
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 1: about to go to Hawaii and he had Trump had

858
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:43,359
Speaker 1: already won, and I still hadn't got clemency, so I had.

859
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:45,680
Speaker 1: It was a little fair there, a little bit like,

860
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:48,319
Speaker 1: oh my god, we're getting such to the wire and

861
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:51,080
Speaker 1: my new A list was coming out and um, and

862
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 1: I seen him leading on the podium and he's like

863
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:56,719
Speaker 1: looking very unpresidential, you know what I'm saying. I was like,

864
00:40:56,760 --> 00:41:01,319
Speaker 1: he's talking slicky, He's not He's he's slouting down. He's like, oh,

865
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 1: I'm out of here. I told you big is the vote.

866
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:06,480
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. You know what I'm saying.

867
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:09,320
Speaker 1: I said, Oh that that moment I realized, but he

868
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 1: was coming to the final moment right, and that Friday

869
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:16,120
Speaker 1: hadn't came out. He went to Hawaii right to deliver

870
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:19,799
Speaker 1: his best life. And that Monday, that whole weekend, I

871
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:21,799
Speaker 1: just couldn't sleep. And I was the guy that when

872
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:23,680
Speaker 1: I was in prisoned, people used to always say, like,

873
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:26,439
Speaker 1: I can't believe I go to sleep. That's one thing

874
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 1: which kind of preserved me. When when I'm ready to

875
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:31,279
Speaker 1: go to sleep, I'm out. I'm not talking to you.

876
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 1: I'm getting my sleep. I'm not looking at the ceiling,

877
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 1: I'm not having nightmares about this ship nothing. I'm going

878
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:39,279
Speaker 1: to sleep. You're not gonna take that from me, you

879
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So it's Monday morning comes and um,

880
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:47,040
Speaker 1: I hear my name being called over the loudspeaker and

881
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:49,719
Speaker 1: like six thirty in the morning, which is unheard of.

882
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:51,680
Speaker 1: They never called my name. Because I have life, You

883
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 1: have no reason to talk to me. I don't stab nobody.

884
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:56,560
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. I ain't selling nothing. You know,

885
00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:58,719
Speaker 1: I ain't did nothing, you know what I'm saying. So

886
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 1: when they call him on at I'm like, I hear

887
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:03,319
Speaker 1: it and I'm bawled up in the bed. I get

888
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:05,880
Speaker 1: up five thirty every morning. This day I was, I

889
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:07,920
Speaker 1: was sleeping, I was bowled up in the bed. I

890
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:11,400
Speaker 1: was like, Oh my god, what's gonna happen? You know

891
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. And I hear my name, Corey Jacobs

892
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:16,879
Speaker 1: while I'm in the fetal position, and I'm like, oh,

893
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 1: ship to call my name. So a buddy of mine

894
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:21,840
Speaker 1: ran in the room. He was like a bit advocate

895
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:23,440
Speaker 1: for me. Every time you see me, said, you're you

896
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:26,239
Speaker 1: a good dude. See you're gonna get that ship. You're

897
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 1: gonna get it. Every time you see me to always

898
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:30,359
Speaker 1: be like you're gonna get it. You're gonna get it.

899
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:32,279
Speaker 1: And I was like, y'all say, yeah, no doubt. I

900
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 1: always try to keep it humble, you know, preparing myself

901
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:38,319
Speaker 1: it's the case I didn't get it. And and so

902
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:40,799
Speaker 1: he comes he's like, yo, looking get up, thinking they

903
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:43,479
Speaker 1: call me your they mess it. I was like oh,

904
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 1: and everything just slowed down like slow motion. I couldn't

905
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:48,440
Speaker 1: even get out the bed. I got out the bed

906
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:50,920
Speaker 1: and I had hung my clothes up and I had

907
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:53,000
Speaker 1: it pressed because you have to wear browns when you

908
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 1: go back there to the administration. You can't wear a sweatsuit.

909
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:58,319
Speaker 1: So I like, I like started putting my clothes on,

910
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:00,680
Speaker 1: and he like, hurry out there. You know what I'm saying,

911
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:02,960
Speaker 1: what you're doing. Then it calls it again. So I

912
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 1: put my stuff on. I took my shirt and you know,

913
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:07,560
Speaker 1: I put my butt in my pants and I fixed

914
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:09,880
Speaker 1: my thing. I looked in the mirror, you know, like

915
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:12,400
Speaker 1: one good time, and then I just walked out of

916
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:13,799
Speaker 1: there and he was right by my side, and he

917
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:15,759
Speaker 1: was bold and he was jumping like like he was

918
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 1: like like you know, I'm with you, you know. So

919
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 1: as I was leaving my cell going downstairs, it was

920
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:23,120
Speaker 1: like six thirty in the morning. And usually this is

921
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:25,960
Speaker 1: like the loudest time because they opened the doors. It's

922
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:28,280
Speaker 1: like you know, animals, you know, you're letting out of cage.

923
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 1: You know, basketball was on, dudes is better and then

924
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:33,719
Speaker 1: they might be like yo, lebro lebro some ship, like

925
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 1: my money up down and down. It's just mehem in

926
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:39,239
Speaker 1: the unit. Everybody's waiting to go to breakfast. But when

927
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 1: I walked out, it was literally not one person talking.

928
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:46,920
Speaker 1: Literally it was guys like on the rafters, like on

929
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:49,000
Speaker 1: the top of the range on the bottom and and

930
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 1: like leaning over the railings and it was looking at me.

931
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:53,960
Speaker 1: And I was walking by and it was like Yo.

932
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 1: It was like Yo, good luck, bro, you're gonna get that.

933
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 1: Things like you're gonna get that some casts like you're

934
00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:02,880
Speaker 1: gonna get that hit in their chest just looking at you,

935
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:05,399
Speaker 1: you know, kind of stolen, not really like you don't

936
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:08,080
Speaker 1: really care. They they their lives might be over. They

937
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:11,960
Speaker 1: like get in a night. But there. But what you're

938
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:13,719
Speaker 1: saying is so important. I don't want to but I

939
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:16,279
Speaker 1: want to put a pin right there because I want

940
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:20,840
Speaker 1: to weave these stories together again. I'm just mentioning Spuds story,

941
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:23,719
Speaker 1: who told the same story, and he talked about the

942
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:26,040
Speaker 1: support system of people saying you said, tell him, man,

943
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:27,680
Speaker 1: you're gonna get that book. There, You're gonna get that book.

944
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:29,759
Speaker 1: And I think what you're saying is so important, Like

945
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:35,760
Speaker 1: there was somebody who did not have freedom but still

946
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:41,480
Speaker 1: had the capacity capacity, meaning what had the heart space

947
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:45,640
Speaker 1: heart wasn't so black that he wanted you to have it.

948
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:47,799
Speaker 1: And I think the reason I want to put a

949
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:50,279
Speaker 1: pin there is because we don't hear a lot of

950
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:55,680
Speaker 1: that Corey, particularly with black men supporting each other, especially

951
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:59,480
Speaker 1: black men in harsh environments. You know, they show movies

952
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:01,880
Speaker 1: where you ah, you see brothers support each other or

953
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 1: fight each other in prison. But I think that's so

954
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:07,800
Speaker 1: important that somebody solve for you what you didn't see,

955
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:12,000
Speaker 1: even though his conditions we're not. You know, he didn't

956
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:14,480
Speaker 1: get a blessing, and that's so important. We have so

957
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:15,960
Speaker 1: much hate on each other and we don't want to

958
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:18,400
Speaker 1: support each other. You know, Puff talks a lot about

959
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:20,919
Speaker 1: love and brother love and it's all about love. And

960
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 1: I just think that's so important that that people. I

961
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:25,640
Speaker 1: try to get people a lot of my homies that

962
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:29,439
Speaker 1: don't believe in I don't want to say don't believe

963
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:32,239
Speaker 1: in it, but don't practice the mindset of you know,

964
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:34,760
Speaker 1: life and death being in the tongue or what energy

965
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:37,440
Speaker 1: you you put out you get back. Because a lot

966
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:39,960
Speaker 1: of people have been so broken and it's hard to

967
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:42,680
Speaker 1: keep breaking a vase over and over and over and

968
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:44,480
Speaker 1: keep putting it together and keep saying that's okay, we

969
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 1: can put you together, but some people are just broken.

970
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:49,359
Speaker 1: And that's so powerful core to that just to tell

971
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 1: that story, to make sure that you included him in

972
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:55,960
Speaker 1: that story, in that journey that somebody was saying, you're

973
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:57,800
Speaker 1: about to get that ship. And I think that's important

974
00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:00,359
Speaker 1: because we don't hear enough of that. So you're you're

975
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:03,399
Speaker 1: walking through, you walk out, You're walking through. Yeah, I'm

976
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:05,759
Speaker 1: walking No, I'm walking in them. I don't know what's

977
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:08,399
Speaker 1: gonna happen, because you know what was happening at the time,

978
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:10,279
Speaker 1: people was going for clemency and they would call you

979
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:12,480
Speaker 1: back there because they would have to tell you when

980
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:14,520
Speaker 1: you're denied, right you go back there, they'd be like,

981
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 1: you get the call, they'd be like, I'm just want

982
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:18,440
Speaker 1: to form me that you've been denied clemency, to have

983
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 1: you sign some papers, you'll walk out. So nobody was

984
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:23,719
Speaker 1: going in there coming out happy dudes and shooting. They

985
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:26,359
Speaker 1: shot at the clemency. They was getting called back there,

986
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:28,360
Speaker 1: and it was coming back with the sad face, you

987
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:30,239
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like, So I don't know what

988
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:32,399
Speaker 1: it looked like for somebody to come back with their

989
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:35,480
Speaker 1: hands in the air. So although I was hopeful you

990
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:37,720
Speaker 1: know that. I was hopeful. I was like, it could

991
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:41,279
Speaker 1: be that, right, So I go in there. I go

992
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:43,719
Speaker 1: in there. It was two um um case managers. It

993
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:45,920
Speaker 1: was acting on fidgety and I'm like, what's going on?

994
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:47,480
Speaker 1: I said, did I get it? They was like, we

995
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 1: don't know, we don't know. So they opened the room

996
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:51,919
Speaker 1: that looked like it never be open. It was cop

997
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:53,840
Speaker 1: webs and there it was like old chance and it

998
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:56,560
Speaker 1: was this old rotory phone right, and they said, you're

999
00:46:56,560 --> 00:46:58,400
Speaker 1: gonna get a call in two minutes. They sat the

1000
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:01,120
Speaker 1: phone down and it made that bling sound like you

1001
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:03,520
Speaker 1: know how to sound. Didn't like it's all shaky. It's

1002
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:07,160
Speaker 1: like an older phone, right. And they set the phone

1003
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:09,400
Speaker 1: there and then I sat in the chair and they

1004
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:11,080
Speaker 1: said they're gonna get a call in two minutes to

1005
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:16,719
Speaker 1: answer it. So I'm like, oh my god, and the

1006
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:20,120
Speaker 1: craziest ship ever. So I'm listen, I'm on the phone,

1007
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:22,239
Speaker 1: the phone. I'm staring at the phone for two minutes.

1008
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:24,040
Speaker 1: It felt like like fifteen minutes, like you know what

1009
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:26,640
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So it rings, it rings, and I let

1010
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:29,520
Speaker 1: it ring two times and I'm like almost like I

1011
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:32,400
Speaker 1: pick it up gingerly and I get the phone. I

1012
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:35,440
Speaker 1: put it to my ear and I'm like hello, and

1013
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:37,239
Speaker 1: it was and it was my lawyer. She was like

1014
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:39,840
Speaker 1: hey Corey. I was like, oh, she sound a little jubilant,

1015
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:42,239
Speaker 1: you know what, man like. And then the pulpers on

1016
00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:46,359
Speaker 1: the phone. He was like, what's up baby. I was like, oh,

1017
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:48,760
Speaker 1: I say, oh sick. So I was like, are we winning?

1018
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 1: She was like, we're winning, I said. I dropped the phone, like, oh,

1019
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:56,440
Speaker 1: don't tell me we're winning, you know? She said, yes,

1020
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:58,640
Speaker 1: we're winning. Um, I just want to let you know

1021
00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 1: that the President Obama just granted your clemency and you're

1022
00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:04,960
Speaker 1: gonna get your free well well and the wait a minute,

1023
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:06,920
Speaker 1: we gotta backup just a little bit. I know we're

1024
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:09,560
Speaker 1: running on time, but this is so bad. Because I

1025
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:12,280
Speaker 1: can visualize this, I hope people could as you're telling

1026
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:14,239
Speaker 1: the story. You're talking about the cob Wells. First of all,

1027
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:16,040
Speaker 1: we gotta get you a movie. Tell puff he gotta

1028
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 1: make that happen, because this is so damn passing. Literally

1029
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:21,440
Speaker 1: every single day, somebody said that you have you have

1030
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:24,440
Speaker 1: to because you're telling the start petition. You start a

1031
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:28,920
Speaker 1: petition to get my man. Yeah, this is a big story.

1032
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:31,279
Speaker 1: This is the true story. This is, this is but

1033
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:33,480
Speaker 1: we're not making up stake characters. You're a story that's

1034
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:36,280
Speaker 1: impactful with a hell of a journey. Yeah, that tells

1035
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:39,240
Speaker 1: a real story and we're still here. It's a victory.

1036
00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:41,839
Speaker 1: So I want to go back to just that one

1037
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:48,440
Speaker 1: part because Puff is a lifelong friend for you. But

1038
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:52,279
Speaker 1: I just want, you know, people to know to hear

1039
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 1: him on the other line, to say that, what's up baby.

1040
00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:57,359
Speaker 1: I guess it's important because I want people to know

1041
00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:01,279
Speaker 1: that who you see, how they see him him, it's

1042
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:04,320
Speaker 1: really the energy. He brings that energy through the phone

1043
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:07,719
Speaker 1: and literally it's it's almost like like you know, you're

1044
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:10,399
Speaker 1: in the studio and so when you heard that, what's

1045
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:13,400
Speaker 1: some baby? And you heard I mean just oh we

1046
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:20,800
Speaker 1: just yeah because even cry cry, I ain't back you

1047
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:24,840
Speaker 1: know in his voice that he brought the energy that okay,

1048
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:26,840
Speaker 1: because he wouldn't have got he wouldn't have got on

1049
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:29,239
Speaker 1: the phone. Yeah you know, do he would? What would

1050
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:30,520
Speaker 1: he have to get on the phone for that? For

1051
00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:32,960
Speaker 1: that's not something you know, I got on the phone.

1052
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:35,359
Speaker 1: We we put this work in, you know what I'm saying.

1053
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:37,960
Speaker 1: We stayed true, you know, and we got the victory.

1054
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:41,239
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, And now it's on what

1055
00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:45,319
Speaker 1: I'm saying that like that that that's something I heard

1056
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:47,960
Speaker 1: of too. So you hang up the phone, what snakes?

1057
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:49,960
Speaker 1: Do you drop to your knees? Do you cry? Do

1058
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:53,400
Speaker 1: you want out? I was like, you know, I fought

1059
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:57,360
Speaker 1: so long. I felt vindicated right because so many people

1060
00:49:57,480 --> 00:49:59,879
Speaker 1: was telling me like, you know, and this is if

1061
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:02,279
Speaker 1: you know, told you the whole story, you'll see that

1062
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:05,279
Speaker 1: that I don't have a chance. You have people who

1063
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:08,080
Speaker 1: didn't do nothing that I got life and and or whatever,

1064
00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:10,560
Speaker 1: didn't get no money, you know what I'm saying, or whatever,

1065
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:13,359
Speaker 1: and don't have a couple of violent you know, you know,

1066
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:16,319
Speaker 1: instances in prison and they still can't get out. What

1067
00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:18,200
Speaker 1: it makes you think you can get out with sixteen

1068
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:20,920
Speaker 1: you know, life levels of this ship that you have

1069
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:23,759
Speaker 1: to overcome, you know know what I mean? So I

1070
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:27,200
Speaker 1: kept telling people, I said it can happen. I was

1071
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:29,319
Speaker 1: tired of getting on people on the phone and trying

1072
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:30,920
Speaker 1: to give up my story and tell them what we

1073
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:34,000
Speaker 1: need to do and that is possible, and tell people

1074
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:36,080
Speaker 1: in prison that was also fighting. But it was like

1075
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:39,480
Speaker 1: so hopeless that that was hurry and then you did that.

1076
00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:42,480
Speaker 1: Did that all feed? Of course we could get back

1077
00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:45,200
Speaker 1: because I mean, what if the power of belief can

1078
00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:47,759
Speaker 1: move mountains. You know what I'm saying, You can attract

1079
00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:51,480
Speaker 1: how you think, attract the blessings into your life and

1080
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:53,920
Speaker 1: and the circumstances that you need to order to get

1081
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:55,880
Speaker 1: when you gotta go, if you put your attentions and

1082
00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:59,160
Speaker 1: I believe that you said so. It was very frustrating.

1083
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:03,040
Speaker 1: Their here, I can't so when I even puff, You'll

1084
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:05,880
Speaker 1: tell you when when the lawyers and the visional lawyers

1085
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:07,600
Speaker 1: we had and he was like, yo, yeah, bad he

1086
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:10,839
Speaker 1: got too big in the prison. He's a leader. He's um.

1087
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:14,000
Speaker 1: They was lying, said I was a gang leader. Was lying.

1088
00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:16,680
Speaker 1: He was like, and then you have stabbings or violence.

1089
00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:19,239
Speaker 1: He was like, you can't get out. I have to.

1090
00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:22,080
Speaker 1: I have they making me tell you, Corey, And you

1091
00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:23,160
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying that He's like, I have to

1092
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:24,920
Speaker 1: tell you. He's my friend. To keep it real with you.

1093
00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:27,040
Speaker 1: I cursed him out. He even no. I said, Yo,

1094
00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:29,920
Speaker 1: my nigga family. You know what I'm saying. You're the

1095
00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:35,319
Speaker 1: guy that says anything's possible when they hit. Yeah, like

1096
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:38,239
Speaker 1: kids stop, won't stop you know what I'm saying. I

1097
00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:40,120
Speaker 1: had to slap him around a little bit like yo,

1098
00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:42,040
Speaker 1: and he was like yo, you know, And then I

1099
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:44,440
Speaker 1: told him to push. He was like yo, you know what?

1100
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:46,200
Speaker 1: You right? He was like you right, we could do

1101
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:48,480
Speaker 1: whatever you want, what you want me to do. We're

1102
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:50,560
Speaker 1: going to get him back on the square. That's amazing.

1103
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:53,880
Speaker 1: Even the government. He was like the sixty late citizens.

1104
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:56,680
Speaker 1: I don't know nobody who's getting sixty Like, like, yo,

1105
00:51:56,760 --> 00:52:00,239
Speaker 1: the best lawyer in the Clutchy's said you can't get out.

1106
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:02,640
Speaker 1: Who am I to say? You know what I'm saying,

1107
00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:04,359
Speaker 1: that's what I do when I got the best bing

1108
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:07,480
Speaker 1: cross like this for that one the best lawyers saying it,

1109
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:09,600
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to be the one, you know, So

1110
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:12,839
Speaker 1: I did that. He got re energized. You had something

1111
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:16,359
Speaker 1: just some people here that you had to rehype one

1112
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:18,879
Speaker 1: of the biggest hype man in hip hop. Like there's

1113
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:24,360
Speaker 1: nobody else that hip Nobody else said because I'm your friend,

1114
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:28,160
Speaker 1: I thirteen, I ain't know we can do any This

1115
00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:30,080
Speaker 1: is what we said when we was little. You know

1116
00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:32,279
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, that's why we're friends. We're friends because

1117
00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:34,640
Speaker 1: I'm the guy that could do six tea life sentences

1118
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:36,960
Speaker 1: and get out. You're the guy that could go through

1119
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:40,040
Speaker 1: everything you went through and still be on talk with

1120
00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:43,839
Speaker 1: the guys. Like So, if I can't, if I don't

1121
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:46,000
Speaker 1: have to win an energy, if I don't have ability

1122
00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:48,920
Speaker 1: to shrimp so to fight through that sentence, I'm not

1123
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:52,000
Speaker 1: even pump Daddy's man. Yeah you know what I'm saying.

1124
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:54,480
Speaker 1: Good bore us together for a reason, right. So when

1125
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:56,200
Speaker 1: I got on the phone just to explain, you know

1126
00:52:56,280 --> 00:52:59,600
Speaker 1: why that that philing came over me. It wasn't tears

1127
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:02,560
Speaker 1: because I hadn't cried to like after I got home

1128
00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:05,160
Speaker 1: at twenty something year, twenty five years, I hadn't even cried.

1129
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:08,800
Speaker 1: One time. I almost trinkled down my grandma fire, but

1130
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:11,440
Speaker 1: I had prepared myself for it, like you know when

1131
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:13,320
Speaker 1: I got because she told me it was gonna happen,

1132
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:15,759
Speaker 1: that the fire was going out. So it wasn't like

1133
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:19,320
Speaker 1: an abrupt thing, right. So when I was on the phone,

1134
00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:23,360
Speaker 1: and we haven't recorded, you know, I was like excited.

1135
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:26,919
Speaker 1: I was. I was, I was hyped, and I felt like, yeah,

1136
00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:31,160
Speaker 1: oh tell us what we can't do? You so listening

1137
00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:33,120
Speaker 1: to these people, I told you that they didn't know

1138
00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:35,000
Speaker 1: what she was talking about. Told you, these cats don't

1139
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:37,120
Speaker 1: know what we talk. We could do whatever we would.

1140
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:40,040
Speaker 1: That's the energy that I had. That's the energy that

1141
00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:42,720
Speaker 1: I felt at that moment. You know what I'm saying.

1142
00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:45,920
Speaker 1: That I kept fighting and I didn't give up and

1143
00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:49,840
Speaker 1: I got my life back. That's what I felt, you

1144
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:52,239
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Yeah, And so you take that

1145
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:54,359
Speaker 1: energy and a lot of people get out and say,

1146
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:57,120
Speaker 1: fucking I did my time. I'm moving on. I mean,

1147
00:53:57,160 --> 00:53:59,880
Speaker 1: I've heard people say that, Hey, that's I don't they

1148
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:03,200
Speaker 1: try to just remove that part of their life. They

1149
00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:04,960
Speaker 1: don't want to be affiliated with it. They don't want

1150
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:07,799
Speaker 1: to associate with it. You come out and say, you

1151
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:11,239
Speaker 1: know what, I was blessed, but I'm not gonna forget

1152
00:54:11,239 --> 00:54:14,600
Speaker 1: about everybody else. So you became co founder of the

1153
00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:17,680
Speaker 1: Bard Alive Project. I know we're running on time, but

1154
00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:20,160
Speaker 1: this is so important and I'm positive everybody's gonna listen

1155
00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:22,360
Speaker 1: to this from beginning to end. Tell us why you

1156
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:25,279
Speaker 1: co founded that and what is that movement about? You

1157
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:27,960
Speaker 1: here the Bird of Live Project. Yeah, we co founded

1158
00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:30,240
Speaker 1: that after I got my clemency. You know, my lawyer

1159
00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:32,239
Speaker 1: Brittany and I was saying, like what could we do?

1160
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:35,080
Speaker 1: You know, And I'm gonna be honest with you, like

1161
00:54:35,080 --> 00:54:38,879
Speaker 1: like I prayed. I said, God, you know my heart right,

1162
00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:41,440
Speaker 1: if you please give me a second chance. You know

1163
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:44,560
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, I'm gonna be the best. I am

1164
00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:48,080
Speaker 1: gonna say people, I'm gonna come back and bring people

1165
00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:51,160
Speaker 1: back with me. I'm gonna do X, y Z and

1166
00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:53,960
Speaker 1: so just the integrity and me, you know, putting those

1167
00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:56,640
Speaker 1: attentions in the air. I got the blessing, and so

1168
00:54:56,719 --> 00:54:58,879
Speaker 1: now it's like following it through on the blessing. Right,

1169
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:00,840
Speaker 1: So it's like all right, man, Really we was excited,

1170
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:03,000
Speaker 1: you know, like what are we gonna do? So we

1171
00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:06,120
Speaker 1: um said we was gonna co found the Bird Alive project. Right,

1172
00:55:06,080 --> 00:55:09,320
Speaker 1: I always felt like we was buried alive. Brittany, myself

1173
00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:12,640
Speaker 1: and Sheranda Jones. Move was our first client. And you know, basically,

1174
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:16,000
Speaker 1: you know, um um um, serving people that are buried

1175
00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:19,319
Speaker 1: alive under these unjust sentences and these drug laws. That's

1176
00:55:19,560 --> 00:55:22,759
Speaker 1: basically the goal, right and right now, um we're at

1177
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:25,239
Speaker 1: sixty lives saved, you know, since I've been home. You know,

1178
00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:27,200
Speaker 1: what's are very proud that we're going to get a

1179
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:29,279
Speaker 1: lot of our men and women. There's a lot of

1180
00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:31,000
Speaker 1: the real cast that's left in there that could come

1181
00:55:31,040 --> 00:55:33,279
Speaker 1: out and share these stories that have an impact. You know.

1182
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:35,959
Speaker 1: Machine we excited about that, and that was just something

1183
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:38,759
Speaker 1: that I felt like was authentic to me. It was

1184
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:41,120
Speaker 1: authentic to me. I've always been a giver. I've always

1185
00:55:41,160 --> 00:55:43,840
Speaker 1: been I felt like that was part of my story,

1186
00:55:44,120 --> 00:55:45,920
Speaker 1: a part of my journey. If there was one thing

1187
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:48,360
Speaker 1: that I can do is a fight for freedom, because

1188
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:50,520
Speaker 1: I know what it feels like to be, you know,

1189
00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:52,920
Speaker 1: have a life sentence over your head and and languish

1190
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:55,000
Speaker 1: in the dying in prison. And as many people as

1191
00:55:55,040 --> 00:55:57,319
Speaker 1: I can help pull out of that so they could

1192
00:55:57,320 --> 00:55:59,120
Speaker 1: come and be a part of their families lives and

1193
00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:01,520
Speaker 1: share these stories and show and you know, and show

1194
00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:04,040
Speaker 1: these people a different way and change the narrative that

1195
00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:06,680
Speaker 1: this this means the world to me, right, So we

1196
00:56:06,719 --> 00:56:09,360
Speaker 1: start at that base to bury the Live project. You know,

1197
00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:12,960
Speaker 1: I'm extremely a proud proud of it, um and I

1198
00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:15,160
Speaker 1: just you know, and then to get bigger, we just

1199
00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:17,759
Speaker 1: need to get more resources, more lawyers, and and we

1200
00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:19,759
Speaker 1: I'm just so thankful for all of the help for

1201
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:21,960
Speaker 1: the lawyers, for Brittany and all the different lawyers that

1202
00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:24,960
Speaker 1: came on board and you know, help fight these cases

1203
00:56:25,520 --> 00:56:29,799
Speaker 1: and and for free right, you know, for free having

1204
00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:32,719
Speaker 1: charged not one person ever and my lawyer never charged

1205
00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:37,040
Speaker 1: anybody to do their case, you know. And people don't

1206
00:56:37,120 --> 00:56:39,799
Speaker 1: understand that. Cory like to do this work. You have

1207
00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:42,960
Speaker 1: to talk about consequences of consciousness all the time. And

1208
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:45,560
Speaker 1: one of the consequences is you don't make the money

1209
00:56:45,560 --> 00:56:47,800
Speaker 1: that you would if you just stayed in the private sector.

1210
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:49,600
Speaker 1: And you do it. And I'll tell people all the time,

1211
00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:52,160
Speaker 1: I did well in corporate America this social justice space.

1212
00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:55,040
Speaker 1: I've lost more than I've gained. There's been some blessings,

1213
00:56:55,080 --> 00:56:56,879
Speaker 1: but I've lost more than our gain. So I'm I'm

1214
00:56:56,880 --> 00:56:59,480
Speaker 1: glad you pointed that out. And anybody want to like

1215
00:56:59,640 --> 00:57:02,920
Speaker 1: actually like check out the story and reading a credible

1216
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:05,719
Speaker 1: story of tear jerker, you know, you you go to

1217
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:07,759
Speaker 1: like read The Knock at Midnight. That's that's a book

1218
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:09,480
Speaker 1: that on my co founder of the Bird of Live

1219
00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:11,920
Speaker 1: project vote it was, you know, voted the number one

1220
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:14,680
Speaker 1: book on Amazon in two thousand twenty, which is amazing.

1221
00:57:15,160 --> 00:57:18,960
Speaker 1: Um It's up for end double a CP Award, UM

1222
00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:20,720
Speaker 1: and a whole bunch of other stuff. Right, It's an

1223
00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:24,240
Speaker 1: amazing book of very well done and and and and

1224
00:57:24,040 --> 00:57:27,520
Speaker 1: and it shows like the level of fight you know

1225
00:57:27,720 --> 00:57:30,000
Speaker 1: that that that that this is you know, and and

1226
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:33,840
Speaker 1: and inequities and injustice. We need your book next for sure.

1227
00:57:34,120 --> 00:57:37,800
Speaker 1: So you yeah, you go from getting a life sentence

1228
00:57:38,080 --> 00:57:41,440
Speaker 1: to the Bearer to Live project to life after life.

1229
00:57:41,640 --> 00:57:44,280
Speaker 1: That's something you have tag all the time. As we close,

1230
00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:49,080
Speaker 1: tell the people what life after life means to you

1231
00:57:49,240 --> 00:57:51,680
Speaker 1: and why you hash tag that phrase so much. You

1232
00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:54,040
Speaker 1: have on the life after Life shirt. Yea, yea, yes,

1233
00:57:54,080 --> 00:57:56,160
Speaker 1: we do this interview and it's a part of your

1234
00:57:56,200 --> 00:58:00,400
Speaker 1: whole swag, your whole you know, your whole being, and

1235
00:58:00,840 --> 00:58:03,880
Speaker 1: tell the people what that means as we're close. You know,

1236
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:07,720
Speaker 1: for once, for everybody who's overcame something and made it

1237
00:58:07,720 --> 00:58:10,160
Speaker 1: through the other side, something that they probably felt that

1238
00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:12,760
Speaker 1: was imprisoning them, that they felt like, you know, what's

1239
00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:14,840
Speaker 1: shackling them down, could be drug a music, could be

1240
00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:17,240
Speaker 1: whatever it is, and you've made it to the other side.

1241
00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:19,960
Speaker 1: For me, life after life is I had life and

1242
00:58:19,960 --> 00:58:22,280
Speaker 1: this is my life after I had life. And I

1243
00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:24,200
Speaker 1: think it's kind of ironic that Biggie had, you know,

1244
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:27,120
Speaker 1: life after death. So this is like an a evolution

1245
00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:30,640
Speaker 1: of it. Right, life after life is like me always

1246
00:58:30,680 --> 00:58:34,680
Speaker 1: having an affirmation right to to always be grateful, you know,

1247
00:58:34,920 --> 00:58:37,120
Speaker 1: for the opportunity to be out here for what the

1248
00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:40,720
Speaker 1: opportunity of freedom is. Right, So if you have life

1249
00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:42,880
Speaker 1: after life, is your affirmation every day that I get

1250
00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:45,000
Speaker 1: up in the morning, every time I eat some food,

1251
00:58:45,400 --> 00:58:47,919
Speaker 1: you know, I feel blessed right when the sun rises

1252
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:49,400
Speaker 1: and I get up and I'm able to work out,

1253
00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:51,439
Speaker 1: and I'm able to, you know, whatever I'm doing seeing

1254
00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:54,560
Speaker 1: my kids or travel or go to destinations and in

1255
00:58:54,600 --> 00:58:58,360
Speaker 1: these various things. You know, I'm living my life after life.

1256
00:58:58,400 --> 00:59:00,640
Speaker 1: You know, I'm living my life after life. And and

1257
00:59:00,640 --> 00:59:03,600
Speaker 1: and how I look at it, I lost a lot obviously,

1258
00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:06,240
Speaker 1: eight years in prison, six years on the run, all

1259
00:59:06,280 --> 00:59:09,240
Speaker 1: these various things. But what I'm not gonna lose is

1260
00:59:09,280 --> 00:59:13,040
Speaker 1: not one more moment of of of this existence that

1261
00:59:13,080 --> 00:59:15,600
Speaker 1: I'm living now, right, so that although I lost that,

1262
00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:20,160
Speaker 1: I'm gonna milk every single miller second out of the

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00:59:20,240 --> 00:59:22,680
Speaker 1: rest of my life. And this is something I probably

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00:59:22,720 --> 00:59:25,680
Speaker 1: wouldn't have ever done, you know, had I not gone

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00:59:25,720 --> 00:59:28,520
Speaker 1: through this journey, had that type of awareness. So that's

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00:59:28,560 --> 00:59:31,720
Speaker 1: where I hacked the system. I had the system by

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00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:34,600
Speaker 1: appreciating every moment of the day and not taking it

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00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:38,320
Speaker 1: for granted. Yeah, of course you are a gem. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I mean you really you can touch so many different

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00:59:43,720 --> 00:59:46,440
Speaker 1: I know so many men that got out and complain

1271
00:59:46,920 --> 00:59:50,000
Speaker 1: about things that and only you can speak to them.

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00:59:50,320 --> 00:59:52,120
Speaker 1: You know, I can only say so much, but I

1273
00:59:52,120 --> 00:59:55,840
Speaker 1: didn't do time, so only a voice like yours can say, hey, man,

1274
00:59:55,880 --> 00:59:58,920
Speaker 1: why are you bitching about? You know, you can remember

1275
00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:01,440
Speaker 1: my friends complaining I gotta get on the bus right,

1276
01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:03,400
Speaker 1: but in that better than being locked up. And then

1277
01:00:03,400 --> 01:00:04,960
Speaker 1: when you get a car, you complain about the car

1278
01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:07,959
Speaker 1: you complain about, Just complain, complain, complaint, And I could

1279
01:00:07,960 --> 01:00:10,000
Speaker 1: only be a support system. But it's only a voice

1280
01:00:10,040 --> 01:00:13,480
Speaker 1: like yours that can speak to that. You know, it's different.

1281
01:00:13,680 --> 01:00:15,720
Speaker 1: It is so many you know, they always say that

1282
01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:18,320
Speaker 1: the closest thing to the solution, that there are the

1283
01:00:18,320 --> 01:00:21,040
Speaker 1: people closest to the problem. And you were close to

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01:00:21,080 --> 01:00:23,600
Speaker 1: it and you locked in with it, and your voice

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01:00:23,720 --> 01:00:26,560
Speaker 1: is so so so very important. Cory and I just

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01:00:26,600 --> 01:00:29,560
Speaker 1: want to so we let's just start going. It's kind

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01:00:29,560 --> 01:00:31,600
Speaker 1: of like transition and living not doing a lot of

1288
01:00:31,640 --> 01:00:33,640
Speaker 1: this that you know, and these type of things and

1289
01:00:33,720 --> 01:00:36,000
Speaker 1: these type of talks because I'm so busy living life

1290
01:00:36,160 --> 01:00:39,000
Speaker 1: and get these ship done. I'm going to get ship done, crue.

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01:00:39,120 --> 01:00:40,960
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Like, I really like I

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01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:43,920
Speaker 1: get ship done. But the story is something that we

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01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:47,160
Speaker 1: shouldn't let go and we should start to like amplify.

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01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:49,000
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna say another thing, like even in the

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01:00:49,040 --> 01:00:51,320
Speaker 1: position that you might look at it, okay, see advisor,

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01:00:51,320 --> 01:00:53,600
Speaker 1: the ditty different things, and he'll even tell you like

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01:00:53,880 --> 01:00:56,680
Speaker 1: it's like all the friendship in the world, wouldn't um

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01:00:57,000 --> 01:00:59,760
Speaker 1: wouldn't really matter, wouldn't put you on all these phone

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01:00:59,800 --> 01:01:02,280
Speaker 1: calls os, you know, in all of these meetings and

1300
01:01:02,440 --> 01:01:05,680
Speaker 1: being able to devise and advising business and personal life.

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01:01:05,840 --> 01:01:09,200
Speaker 1: If I hadn't put the things inside of me that

1302
01:01:09,320 --> 01:01:11,360
Speaker 1: I can come out of add value, right, you know, say,

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01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:13,440
Speaker 1: everybody that's on the call, and you know you're on

1304
01:01:13,480 --> 01:01:15,800
Speaker 1: a lot of these calls, have to be bringing it

1305
01:01:15,960 --> 01:01:18,520
Speaker 1: because this is a billion dollar company, right, So I

1306
01:01:18,560 --> 01:01:20,440
Speaker 1: always knew it was impotant. And I say this to

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01:01:20,440 --> 01:01:22,400
Speaker 1: a lot of people who are in prison or or

1308
01:01:22,440 --> 01:01:24,200
Speaker 1: whatever they're doing, and they think they don't need to

1309
01:01:24,200 --> 01:01:27,120
Speaker 1: like elevate themselves or you know, if you you prepare

1310
01:01:27,120 --> 01:01:28,920
Speaker 1: yourself and put some stuff in your mind, you can

1311
01:01:28,920 --> 01:01:31,440
Speaker 1: come and bring some added value right out here in

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01:01:31,480 --> 01:01:34,240
Speaker 1: society that where as much needed right now. You know,

1313
01:01:34,320 --> 01:01:36,920
Speaker 1: the perspective due to the fact that I haven't been

1314
01:01:36,960 --> 01:01:40,400
Speaker 1: here for for the eighteen years, gives me an advantage

1315
01:01:40,440 --> 01:01:42,920
Speaker 1: because you know what, like I'm not jaded, I'm seeing

1316
01:01:42,920 --> 01:01:45,680
Speaker 1: things clearly. I'm not overlooking things right, you know what

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01:01:45,720 --> 01:01:47,919
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So sometimes the answer is right in front

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01:01:47,960 --> 01:01:50,280
Speaker 1: of you. But just so in the water of you

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01:01:50,320 --> 01:01:53,600
Speaker 1: know of what's going on. You're following trends, you're doing this.

1320
01:01:53,680 --> 01:01:56,200
Speaker 1: You know, you're not taking risk, you're not doing whatever.

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01:01:56,520 --> 01:01:58,920
Speaker 1: You know, I'm here and I can see things clearly,

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01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:01,800
Speaker 1: like I'm slow down, I see things clearly. I'm not

1323
01:02:01,840 --> 01:02:04,080
Speaker 1: I'm thinking like a child. You know. My my mind

1324
01:02:04,120 --> 01:02:05,920
Speaker 1: is like I'm out here in the world and it's

1325
01:02:05,960 --> 01:02:08,480
Speaker 1: like a child's mind. And there's a lot of advantages

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01:02:08,840 --> 01:02:11,280
Speaker 1: to be having that innocence right now, you know. So

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01:02:11,320 --> 01:02:13,000
Speaker 1: what I really feel like I did. I went in

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01:02:13,440 --> 01:02:15,680
Speaker 1: and I was you know, I was found guilty, but

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01:02:15,760 --> 01:02:18,960
Speaker 1: I reclaimed my innocence. Right. I reclaimed my innocence in

1330
01:02:19,000 --> 01:02:23,520
Speaker 1: every way imaginable. Wow, this is deep. I knew, I

1331
01:02:23,600 --> 01:02:25,919
Speaker 1: knew I had to have you on. But I'm telling you, brother,

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Speaker 1: you really went there today. I mean, you really did.

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Speaker 1: I I certainly want you to come back to talk

1334
01:02:31,320 --> 01:02:33,960
Speaker 1: about the time on the run. I want to talk

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01:02:34,080 --> 01:02:36,680
Speaker 1: more about the other things that you do to manage

1336
01:02:36,720 --> 01:02:39,680
Speaker 1: man other just so that people can follow you. I mean,

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01:02:39,680 --> 01:02:41,640
Speaker 1: there's so much that we we can talk about it.

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01:02:41,760 --> 01:02:43,800
Speaker 1: When we talked about get ready for this interview, you

1339
01:02:43,840 --> 01:02:45,560
Speaker 1: were like, where you want to go to is there's

1340
01:02:45,600 --> 01:02:48,760
Speaker 1: so many different things. And that's what I want people

1341
01:02:48,760 --> 01:02:52,400
Speaker 1: to see, the multi layers and the different dimensions and

1342
01:02:52,400 --> 01:02:56,120
Speaker 1: and and how colorful you are, because it really gives

1343
01:02:56,160 --> 01:02:59,680
Speaker 1: people a snapshot of how many of our brothers are

1344
01:02:59,760 --> 01:03:02,680
Speaker 1: lit up that are not you know, similar to you,

1345
01:03:02,720 --> 01:03:06,040
Speaker 1: just like you, but so many different can pump you know,

1346
01:03:06,400 --> 01:03:09,520
Speaker 1: pieces that are similar to you. The scholars and the

1347
01:03:10,080 --> 01:03:13,680
Speaker 1: entrepreneurs that are locked up. You know, the mental health adviser.

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01:03:13,720 --> 01:03:15,920
Speaker 1: You're talking about mental health, you're talking about scholar, you're

1349
01:03:15,960 --> 01:03:18,520
Speaker 1: talking about theory, you're talking about really, I mean, you're

1350
01:03:18,560 --> 01:03:22,920
Speaker 1: breaking it all down and there's just I mean, I

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01:03:23,000 --> 01:03:25,920
Speaker 1: just want people to grasp that, and you have really

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01:03:26,080 --> 01:03:28,160
Speaker 1: brought that today, Corey. Before we get out of here,

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01:03:28,160 --> 01:03:30,320
Speaker 1: where can people find you? And is there anything because

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01:03:30,320 --> 01:03:31,880
Speaker 1: I know you work with some artists, I know you

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01:03:31,920 --> 01:03:34,120
Speaker 1: do some other little stuff. Is there anything else that

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01:03:34,160 --> 01:03:36,120
Speaker 1: people should just know that you've got coming out that

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01:03:36,160 --> 01:03:38,880
Speaker 1: you want people to support before we close? Well, you know,

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Speaker 1: my Instagram is at coreys Jacobs on Instagram. My LinkedIn

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01:03:43,520 --> 01:03:46,120
Speaker 1: is Corey Jacobs. I mean, I have so many things

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01:03:46,200 --> 01:03:49,400
Speaker 1: going on. Manage artists, I manage talent, I have different

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01:03:49,400 --> 01:03:53,720
Speaker 1: business ventures. I have a consultant company called Corey Jacobs Consultant.

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Speaker 1: You know, I found that, you know, a lot of

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01:03:55,720 --> 01:03:58,160
Speaker 1: people reach out to me, you know for a lot

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01:03:58,200 --> 01:04:01,880
Speaker 1: of things. I mean high performing people were companies like

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01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:04,600
Speaker 1: just for the energy, right. But I've noticed a lot

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01:04:04,640 --> 01:04:07,440
Speaker 1: of people they could kill it for somebody else, but

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01:04:07,520 --> 01:04:09,400
Speaker 1: would have happened and they're not killing it for their self,

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Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. You know, I just think

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01:04:11,560 --> 01:04:14,400
Speaker 1: Jacobs Consultant it's important, agent about life, coach about that.

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01:04:14,440 --> 01:04:17,640
Speaker 1: It's just about adding value, connecting culture with brands. And

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm definitely a great marketer. I'm a creator and

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01:04:21,040 --> 01:04:23,440
Speaker 1: I'm a great brand person, so you know, I think

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01:04:23,480 --> 01:04:25,080
Speaker 1: I think that's why I had a lot of value.

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01:04:25,320 --> 01:04:27,840
Speaker 1: My experience and what I've been through and the times

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01:04:27,920 --> 01:04:30,160
Speaker 1: that we're in. That's what I mean about the coaching

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01:04:30,440 --> 01:04:32,640
Speaker 1: comes into play because I've been down this road, and

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01:04:32,640 --> 01:04:35,040
Speaker 1: I've been down to the road that was way more

1378
01:04:35,160 --> 01:04:37,880
Speaker 1: like tragic than what's going on now. People can still

1379
01:04:37,920 --> 01:04:40,280
Speaker 1: go hug their dogs, hug their kids, you know, being

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01:04:40,320 --> 01:04:42,520
Speaker 1: in bed with their wife, although it's hard. I just

1381
01:04:42,560 --> 01:04:45,800
Speaker 1: tell everybody, like to never give up because I didn't. Yeah,

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01:04:45,880 --> 01:04:47,640
Speaker 1: I heard that. I tell you about time. If you

1383
01:04:47,960 --> 01:04:50,720
Speaker 1: if to if two thousand and twenty, if you're just

1384
01:04:50,800 --> 01:04:53,160
Speaker 1: now going through something and shock, you ain't never been

1385
01:04:53,160 --> 01:04:56,000
Speaker 1: through nothing, because you really have to experience what it

1386
01:04:56,040 --> 01:04:57,840
Speaker 1: means to not have a job or not have money

1387
01:04:57,880 --> 01:04:59,880
Speaker 1: or try to figure it out every thirty days. That's

1388
01:04:59,880 --> 01:05:02,200
Speaker 1: what bounces me, you know, just kind of having did

1389
01:05:02,280 --> 01:05:05,240
Speaker 1: prison time. But two thousand and twenty wasn't my first

1390
01:05:06,680 --> 01:05:08,280
Speaker 1: I know, you know, I know what it means to

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01:05:08,960 --> 01:05:11,840
Speaker 1: live in a pandemic, you know type situation. I thought.

1392
01:05:11,840 --> 01:05:13,880
Speaker 1: I thought a matter of fact that the pandemic made

1393
01:05:13,920 --> 01:05:15,680
Speaker 1: me look around like them, what's wrong with me? Because

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01:05:15,920 --> 01:05:18,959
Speaker 1: this is my normal, you know, not having the six

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01:05:19,000 --> 01:05:23,040
Speaker 1: or seven months. Yeah, I love it knocking back the

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01:05:23,040 --> 01:05:26,120
Speaker 1: pandemic that people are hurting. But I also think you

1397
01:05:26,240 --> 01:05:27,720
Speaker 1: see what a lot of people have made up and

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01:05:28,280 --> 01:05:32,280
Speaker 1: test you and sometimes like we need to get tested, right,

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01:05:32,320 --> 01:05:33,760
Speaker 1: you know, we need to get tested. It makes and

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01:05:33,800 --> 01:05:35,720
Speaker 1: it makes us stronger, you know what I'm saying. And

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01:05:35,720 --> 01:05:38,080
Speaker 1: then a lot of people that I've noticed, like they

1402
01:05:38,120 --> 01:05:41,360
Speaker 1: they've been forced to take meets in life, like to change,

1403
01:05:41,400 --> 01:05:44,360
Speaker 1: to pivot no occupations, to go out and do that

1404
01:05:44,640 --> 01:05:46,520
Speaker 1: business that they always wanted to do, but they could

1405
01:05:46,560 --> 01:05:49,200
Speaker 1: not get out the shackles of corporate America. And you know,

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Speaker 1: I think that I think that for a lot of people,

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01:05:51,720 --> 01:05:54,360
Speaker 1: they're gonna excel. No different than when Puff got fired

1408
01:05:54,400 --> 01:05:56,760
Speaker 1: from Uptown, right he got fired, which I was there

1409
01:05:56,760 --> 01:05:59,400
Speaker 1: that day. He got fired, right, and and and and

1410
01:05:59,400 --> 01:06:02,520
Speaker 1: and he could have like laid down, right, but what

1411
01:06:02,560 --> 01:06:04,840
Speaker 1: he went and did that was a blessing in the disguise.

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01:06:04,880 --> 01:06:07,160
Speaker 1: It made him greater than he's ever been. So you know,

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01:06:07,200 --> 01:06:09,320
Speaker 1: all the people that's out there that you know that's

1414
01:06:09,360 --> 01:06:11,360
Speaker 1: hurting right now, they don't know what to do. You

1415
01:06:11,360 --> 01:06:13,720
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, like, Yo, there's there's some greatness

1416
01:06:13,800 --> 01:06:16,560
Speaker 1: on the other side, and just look at my journey

1417
01:06:16,920 --> 01:06:19,200
Speaker 1: and be inspired by that and see that I had

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01:06:19,200 --> 01:06:22,160
Speaker 1: sixteen life sentences that a t is and I made

1419
01:06:22,200 --> 01:06:24,840
Speaker 1: it out and I in my heart, I feel good,

1420
01:06:24,920 --> 01:06:28,200
Speaker 1: I feel in shape, I feel amazing, and I'm happy.

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01:06:28,320 --> 01:06:32,040
Speaker 1: That's the that's the key. And I hope folks check

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01:06:32,080 --> 01:06:36,680
Speaker 1: out the documentary. Yeah, it's crazy. It's crazy, man, yea.

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Speaker 1: And because it just reminded me when you said, you know,

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Speaker 1: and Puff had to tell Biggie we can do this,

1425
01:06:42,400 --> 01:06:44,200
Speaker 1: you know, and then you ended up having to tell

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01:06:44,280 --> 01:06:47,920
Speaker 1: Puff we can do this. So the energy transfers the

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01:06:48,040 --> 01:06:51,280
Speaker 1: energy man. Yeah, my manage the credible inspiration and he

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01:06:51,360 --> 01:06:54,720
Speaker 1: inspired you know, so many entrepreneurs, you know. You know,

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01:06:54,800 --> 01:06:56,400
Speaker 1: I'm proud to be able to say, you know, that's

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01:06:56,440 --> 01:06:58,920
Speaker 1: that's that's that's that's my god, you know. And they

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01:06:58,960 --> 01:07:01,240
Speaker 1: have that type of relations and ship, you know, even

1432
01:07:01,280 --> 01:07:03,880
Speaker 1: after this. That says a lot about him. Obviously. I

1433
01:07:03,920 --> 01:07:05,800
Speaker 1: think it's like, you know, stuff that they don't know

1434
01:07:06,080 --> 01:07:08,640
Speaker 1: how hard he goes, how extra black he is. He's

1435
01:07:08,680 --> 01:07:10,760
Speaker 1: like black and he's black and he just might look

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01:07:10,800 --> 01:07:12,840
Speaker 1: at it as like you know, obviously the poisona and

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01:07:12,840 --> 01:07:16,000
Speaker 1: things of that nature. But but he goes hard, and

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01:07:16,040 --> 01:07:17,919
Speaker 1: I'm saying he goes harder than a lot of people think.

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01:07:18,360 --> 01:07:21,360
Speaker 1: And another thing, he he opening a lot of doors,

1440
01:07:21,360 --> 01:07:23,240
Speaker 1: you know where we're banging out in these poor roles.

1441
01:07:23,320 --> 01:07:25,680
Speaker 1: You know, it's stuff that people aren't seeing, you know,

1442
01:07:25,760 --> 01:07:27,960
Speaker 1: when you're looking for that. You know, that ownership and

1443
01:07:27,960 --> 01:07:30,400
Speaker 1: that equity and all of the things that are breaking

1444
01:07:30,440 --> 01:07:33,320
Speaker 1: the ceiling. They don't they don't see that fight and

1445
01:07:33,360 --> 01:07:36,200
Speaker 1: how that affects the people that's coming after us, because

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01:07:36,280 --> 01:07:38,440
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, after this is saved,

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01:07:38,440 --> 01:07:41,000
Speaker 1: it was the spirits industry. You know, if he can't

1448
01:07:41,040 --> 01:07:43,560
Speaker 1: get a fair deal after having eight to ten years

1449
01:07:43,600 --> 01:07:46,720
Speaker 1: of success of exponential growth, right, how do you think

1450
01:07:46,760 --> 01:07:49,040
Speaker 1: other people are gonna come behind him in the spirits

1451
01:07:49,040 --> 01:07:51,800
Speaker 1: industry and get the proper deals that they deserve, right,

1452
01:07:51,960 --> 01:07:53,520
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So, so all of these

1453
01:07:53,560 --> 01:07:56,000
Speaker 1: fight is that's happening, whether it's in fashion, whether it's

1454
01:07:56,000 --> 01:07:58,600
Speaker 1: in music, whether it's in the spirits, you know, whether

1455
01:07:58,640 --> 01:08:00,880
Speaker 1: it's in media. Would comp asked and you know, trying

1456
01:08:00,880 --> 01:08:03,200
Speaker 1: to get like you know, a better deals and more

1457
01:08:03,240 --> 01:08:06,280
Speaker 1: carriage and you know more, you know, getting more households

1458
01:08:06,280 --> 01:08:09,680
Speaker 1: and not be pigeonholed. Right. You know, people gotta see that,

1459
01:08:09,800 --> 01:08:12,720
Speaker 1: like the support black owned businesses, whether it's Delhi on

1460
01:08:12,880 --> 01:08:14,680
Speaker 1: or these things. Don't look at it like that look

1461
01:08:14,760 --> 01:08:18,080
Speaker 1: at it. I'm supporting this product, this brand. Although there's

1462
01:08:18,120 --> 01:08:20,599
Speaker 1: some flashiness going on, dudes to living their best life.

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01:08:20,920 --> 01:08:25,519
Speaker 1: It helps you to to to contribute and play a

1464
01:08:25,640 --> 01:08:27,960
Speaker 1: role in this whole push, right because it's gonna just

1465
01:08:28,040 --> 01:08:30,439
Speaker 1: open more doors. And if we all start thinking about

1466
01:08:30,439 --> 01:08:33,479
Speaker 1: that and we all start getting closer and unifinding that way,

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01:08:33,760 --> 01:08:35,320
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, we'll be a force to

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Speaker 1: reckon with. Man, you inspired me, Corey. I gotta end

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Speaker 1: it now. I don't want to end it because I

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01:08:40,840 --> 01:08:44,879
Speaker 1: can go on and on, but you are on the opeome.

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Speaker 1: I just want you to know you are at the

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Speaker 1: epitome of hip hop. When we say hip hop the culture,

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01:08:49,200 --> 01:08:51,960
Speaker 1: you know, like what what it means to be street

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01:08:52,000 --> 01:08:55,240
Speaker 1: and norm where you come from and not losing that

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01:08:55,240 --> 01:08:58,400
Speaker 1: that that balance and that foundation which a lot of

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01:08:58,400 --> 01:09:01,960
Speaker 1: people in hip hop have. Understanding your past, but more importantly,

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01:09:02,560 --> 01:09:05,040
Speaker 1: understanding your future. You know it was all a dream.

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01:09:05,360 --> 01:09:07,920
Speaker 1: You are true and I want you to know that

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Speaker 1: and I'm blessed by you brother. Today for real, I'm

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01:09:10,479 --> 01:09:12,360
Speaker 1: looking at people don't know. I'm looking at my producers.

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01:09:12,400 --> 01:09:14,960
Speaker 1: She's all emotional. I can tell what she gets, you know,

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01:09:15,080 --> 01:09:18,720
Speaker 1: moved by certain things. And I'm telling you you are

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01:09:18,800 --> 01:09:21,320
Speaker 1: a blessing in the gym and anything I can do.

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01:09:21,439 --> 01:09:23,680
Speaker 1: I'm not puff. He got way more resource than me.

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Speaker 1: But anything that I can do to to keep pushing

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Speaker 1: the line. I want to thank you for being a

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Speaker 1: comrade with me in the Just keep going. Let's keep

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01:09:33,720 --> 01:09:36,360
Speaker 1: going because there's any opportunities and things that I can

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01:09:36,400 --> 01:09:38,920
Speaker 1: share the story, I'm more open to it now. I'm

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Speaker 1: just I feel great. I'm fully transitions. All my business

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01:09:42,640 --> 01:09:45,840
Speaker 1: situations has lined up. I have more space, you know,

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Speaker 1: to do a little more, have a more conversation to

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Speaker 1: impact people. And another thing, support the Buried Alive project,

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01:09:52,720 --> 01:09:55,080
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, you know, support the people

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01:09:55,240 --> 01:09:58,360
Speaker 1: that got their head down. That's not just talking, but

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01:09:58,479 --> 01:10:00,360
Speaker 1: doing the work right, you know what I'm saying. And

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Speaker 1: fighting for these cases, fighting for all people and fighting

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01:10:03,640 --> 01:10:06,719
Speaker 1: for our people obviously takes resources and resources. It's just money.

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Speaker 1: It's people's time and and we're here putting in the

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Speaker 1: time and come on and get with us and for

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Speaker 1: some time and with us, you know, for a good cause. Absolutely,

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01:10:15,280 --> 01:10:16,960
Speaker 1: and I will certainly continue to do what I can

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01:10:17,040 --> 01:10:20,080
Speaker 1: support you on social media, always available to you. Thank

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01:10:20,080 --> 01:10:22,760
Speaker 1: you again for helping me what I call push the

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01:10:22,800 --> 01:10:25,639
Speaker 1: line politics until something happens to bring that same energy

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01:10:25,680 --> 01:10:27,760
Speaker 1: to politics to say that we can do this ship.

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01:10:28,160 --> 01:10:31,880
Speaker 1: We can control our narrative, we can have influence with

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Speaker 1: the black vote, we can know our influence in the community,

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01:10:34,160 --> 01:10:36,439
Speaker 1: and we can demand that we get something as a result.

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01:10:36,640 --> 01:10:39,080
Speaker 1: And that's the type of energy that you bring, not

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01:10:39,160 --> 01:10:41,479
Speaker 1: just in this interview, but in the boardroom meetings. And

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01:10:41,760 --> 01:10:44,040
Speaker 1: because just to be clear, we would never be from

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01:10:44,040 --> 01:10:47,320
Speaker 1: with each other. We were always wanting to push betterment

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Speaker 1: for our people. How do we make sure that black

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01:10:50,680 --> 01:10:53,559
Speaker 1: voices are heard? And so I am grateful again to

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01:10:53,640 --> 01:10:56,280
Speaker 1: you and your energy and everything you bring. My friend.

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01:10:56,800 --> 01:10:58,840
Speaker 1: Thank you for being a blessing. I mean really just

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01:10:58,880 --> 01:11:00,599
Speaker 1: thank you for being but your life is a blessing.

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01:11:00,680 --> 01:11:04,880
Speaker 1: I hope to see your book one day. Let's get it.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna now, we're gonna, We're gonna get all of that.

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Speaker 1: And I appreciate you for being like one of the

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Speaker 1: like few voices like yo. When I hear your voice,

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01:11:13,160 --> 01:11:16,799
Speaker 1: I don't hear no other person like you. That's a guarantee.

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Speaker 1: Fat Are there other people that have an impact or

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01:11:19,400 --> 01:11:21,759
Speaker 1: speaking the truth, that come up with some real talk

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01:11:21,840 --> 01:11:24,680
Speaker 1: as far as for what they know, But there's nobody

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01:11:24,920 --> 01:11:27,519
Speaker 1: like you. Oh man, I appreciate that. I don't hope

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01:11:27,560 --> 01:11:30,240
Speaker 1: you mind me sharing when we talk. You said something

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01:11:30,320 --> 01:11:32,519
Speaker 1: first time we talked, and it really hit me here

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01:11:33,160 --> 01:11:36,640
Speaker 1: and you said, I don't really talk like this to everybody,

1531
01:11:36,800 --> 01:11:38,719
Speaker 1: as you said, this is wow, I'm telling you everything.

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01:11:38,720 --> 01:11:40,439
Speaker 1: I don't really do that, and I remember, I don't

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01:11:40,439 --> 01:11:41,920
Speaker 1: know if you remember, but I told you. I said,

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01:11:42,280 --> 01:11:44,519
Speaker 1: that's because Corey, this is probably the first time you

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01:11:44,600 --> 01:11:48,439
Speaker 1: really felt heard. And he was like, wow, that's deep.

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Speaker 1: And so I try to be I just want to

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01:11:51,439 --> 01:11:54,439
Speaker 1: do guys will and I think it's important you know

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01:11:54,439 --> 01:11:56,880
Speaker 1: that people know that they can be heard, not just

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01:11:57,000 --> 01:12:00,360
Speaker 1: listen to, but your story being heard. And that's why

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01:12:00,400 --> 01:12:02,800
Speaker 1: this podcast is so important. Shout after Charlemagne and God

1541
01:12:02,800 --> 01:12:06,320
Speaker 1: forgiving me an opportunity because your stories are so impactful.

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01:12:06,560 --> 01:12:08,760
Speaker 1: You know and people need to hear that. Brother, So

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01:12:09,439 --> 01:12:11,840
Speaker 1: I thank you for allowing me a chance to listen

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01:12:12,400 --> 01:12:15,880
Speaker 1: and more importantly share, this is just a blessing. You're

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01:12:15,920 --> 01:12:24,760
Speaker 1: just a blessing. Like look, yeah, just like that. It's

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01:12:24,800 --> 01:12:28,840
Speaker 1: just too real. I gotta I gotta drink. I don't

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01:12:28,840 --> 01:12:32,639
Speaker 1: know what this could happen again, you know what I'm saying. Yeah,

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01:12:32,680 --> 01:12:35,839
Speaker 1: it's a blessing. It's just energy. We got the same coffee, bug,

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01:12:35,920 --> 01:12:42,960
Speaker 1: we got the same same coffee. But that that's just though.

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01:12:43,000 --> 01:12:45,400
Speaker 1: Your energy I appreciate, and it just affirms to me

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01:12:45,680 --> 01:12:48,439
Speaker 1: why I've been called for this space, because I didn't

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01:12:48,479 --> 01:12:50,519
Speaker 1: choose it. It wasn't a career, you know, I didn't

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01:12:50,520 --> 01:12:52,840
Speaker 1: grow up in this space. I didn't it truly, it

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01:12:52,880 --> 01:12:55,759
Speaker 1: was a calling. And Charlemagne calls me the hood whisper,

1555
01:12:55,880 --> 01:12:58,680
Speaker 1: and that's what that means, being able to you know

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01:12:59,160 --> 01:13:02,839
Speaker 1: here what maybe other people can't hear, and and hopefully

1557
01:13:02,840 --> 01:13:04,760
Speaker 1: open up that door so that they can hear your

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01:13:04,800 --> 01:13:07,040
Speaker 1: story and know the value that you bring. So, brother, again,

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01:13:07,120 --> 01:13:10,880
Speaker 1: thank you those who are listening. Again, please follow Corey

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01:13:10,960 --> 01:13:13,280
Speaker 1: Jacobs on Instagram and all of its social media, but

1561
01:13:13,320 --> 01:13:16,200
Speaker 1: more importantly, also follow the varied a live project. Do

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01:13:16,280 --> 01:13:19,559
Speaker 1: what you can do, donate, follow, share, share the stories.

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01:13:19,640 --> 01:13:22,440
Speaker 1: Even if you're not doing anything but sharing it reposting

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01:13:22,479 --> 01:13:25,320
Speaker 1: it on your Instagram, are just you know, trying to

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01:13:25,360 --> 01:13:27,400
Speaker 1: get the message out. That really doesn't matter. When I

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01:13:27,439 --> 01:13:29,200
Speaker 1: say push the line, we all push the line in

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01:13:29,200 --> 01:13:32,120
Speaker 1: our own way. Push the line politics until something happens.

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01:13:32,600 --> 01:13:35,320
Speaker 1: You do have a role. Never ever give up. Like

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01:13:35,360 --> 01:13:38,360
Speaker 1: our brother Corey said today, know that there is always

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01:13:38,640 --> 01:13:41,000
Speaker 1: a light at the end of the tunnel. And Corey

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01:13:41,040 --> 01:13:43,840
Speaker 1: said that even if you can't see the tunnel, build

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01:13:43,920 --> 01:13:46,599
Speaker 1: that bitch, We're gonna end it on that. We're gonna

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Speaker 1: end it on that. Thank you so much, Corey for

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01:13:48,600 --> 01:13:55,599
Speaker 1: joining us. Corey Jacobs, y'all love all of If you

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01:13:55,880 --> 01:13:58,160
Speaker 1: like what you heard on Straight Shot No Chaser, please

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Speaker 1: subscribe and drop a five star review and tell a France.

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01:14:00,960 --> 01:14:03,120
Speaker 1: Straight Shot No Chaser is a production of The Black

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01:14:03,160 --> 01:14:05,880
Speaker 1: Effect Podcast Network and I Heart Radio, a Tesla and

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01:14:05,920 --> 01:14:08,799
Speaker 1: Figure and I'd like to thank our producer editor mixer,

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01:14:09,080 --> 01:14:11,840
Speaker 1: the one and only Marcy de Pinot, a mixed master

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01:14:12,120 --> 01:14:15,400
Speaker 1: Dwayne Crawford, and our executive producer Charlemagne na Good for

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