1 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:10,320 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Savor, a protection of I heardio 2 00:00:10,360 --> 00:00:12,800 Speaker 1: and stuff media. I'm Ann and I'm Lauren Vogelbaum. And 3 00:00:12,840 --> 00:00:18,840 Speaker 1: today we're talking about moonshine, not my Little Phony, which 4 00:00:18,880 --> 00:00:20,799 Speaker 1: I don't know for sure it's my Little Pony, but 5 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:24,720 Speaker 1: I feel that it must be. Okay, well, I'm unfamiliar 6 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:28,520 Speaker 1: with it if it is. But uh no, we talk 7 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:31,680 Speaker 1: about very few of My Little Ponies. We didn't talk 8 00:00:31,720 --> 00:00:35,839 Speaker 1: about them sometimes as most as all food shows do. 9 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:39,400 Speaker 1: I have to imagine there are a lot of food 10 00:00:39,479 --> 00:00:46,839 Speaker 1: themed my Little Ponies. Okay, yes for sure. No, we 11 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:48,879 Speaker 1: are not just talking about My Little Ponies. We are 12 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:56,920 Speaker 1: talking about the alcohol versions. Yes, yes, different from My 13 00:00:56,960 --> 00:01:01,440 Speaker 1: Little Ponies. We're we're going to be focusing perhaps largely 14 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 1: today on American moonshine. It's pretty wide category. But um, 15 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:06,560 Speaker 1: but we'll get into that in a minute. Um. In 16 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:10,240 Speaker 1: the meanwhile, I don't think that I've ever had honest 17 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:15,360 Speaker 1: to goodness home produced moonshine. Oh really, No, I've had 18 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:19,000 Speaker 1: the stuff that they sell that's labeled moonshine. That's just 19 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:23,640 Speaker 1: white whiskey. Right. But yeah, I I grew up in 20 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:30,520 Speaker 1: moonshine country, and uh I have certainly had some, and 21 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 1: those who follow me on Twitter no that I had 22 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:37,360 Speaker 1: a recent, very random experience with moonshine. I went home 23 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 1: for Mother's Day. My mom, out of the blue said 24 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:43,480 Speaker 1: I know where to get a burrito. It's moonshine. And 25 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:47,200 Speaker 1: I said, it's your mother's day, so if this is 26 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 1: the day you want to have, let's go. Let's go 27 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 1: for it. And uh, it was a glorious, spontaneous, strange afternoon. Uh. 28 00:01:57,440 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 1: Former NASS employee with a bone from a coon penis 29 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 1: in his hat told us all about moonshine and it's 30 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:08,360 Speaker 1: made and I got a bottle of it, and um, 31 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:10,959 Speaker 1: I was going to bring some to our dn D session, 32 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:12,680 Speaker 1: but then we didn't have it, so now it's gone 33 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:17,079 Speaker 1: because I think, um, it was a neutral, like there 34 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:19,160 Speaker 1: were six different kinds you could get and this one 35 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:21,920 Speaker 1: was pretty neutral, okay. Um, And it's placed in a 36 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 1: NASCAR museum by the way, this oon Shine Distillery. And 37 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:30,040 Speaker 1: if you are confused by that, like I was, you 38 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:32,919 Speaker 1: are going to learn a lot of interesting stuff about 39 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:38,239 Speaker 1: NASCAR in this episode. Yes, unexpected Nascar tangents, or I 40 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:40,079 Speaker 1: mean perhaps expected. I don't know how much you know 41 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:44,160 Speaker 1: about moonshine yell or or a Nascar true true. Yes, 42 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:47,160 Speaker 1: they're both pretty tight. Actually, um and one of my 43 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:51,919 Speaker 1: favorite how stuff works stories ever, unrelated to Nascar unrelated 44 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:55,280 Speaker 1: UM is a couple of years ago. I was filming 45 00:02:55,880 --> 00:02:58,520 Speaker 1: a movie during the month of August, so I would 46 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:01,400 Speaker 1: work like fourteen hours of daylight and then I would 47 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:03,839 Speaker 1: come and do my house to work's job at night, 48 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:09,320 Speaker 1: and um, I never slept, if you're wondering, and I 49 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:11,960 Speaker 1: on like the third day I was filming, we did this. 50 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:14,440 Speaker 1: It was a horror movie, so I got covered in 51 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 1: fake It wasn't blood, it was like it was goop 52 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:21,840 Speaker 1: and it was made of Hershey's syrup. And we did 53 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:23,359 Speaker 1: it like the first thing in the day, so it 54 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 1: like set, you know, and I didn't have time to 55 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:29,079 Speaker 1: watch it off before I went to work. Are then 56 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:33,440 Speaker 1: very fancy how stuff works office in Buckhead. I figured 57 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:35,560 Speaker 1: at nine pm, no one will be there. I think 58 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 1: it was a Tuesday. Wrong, very wrong to have my 59 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 1: producer was. They were not only still there, but they 60 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:46,240 Speaker 1: were drinking moonshine out of jars that a fan had 61 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 1: sent Josh and Chuck over stuff. You should know, orange 62 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:52,760 Speaker 1: flavored move shine. If that fan happens to be listening. 63 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:56,320 Speaker 1: We didn't drink it, and so I walked in fro 64 00:03:56,520 --> 00:03:59,280 Speaker 1: was covered in this fake what looked like blood but 65 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:02,240 Speaker 1: it wasn't. And they said not a word, but offered 66 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:05,560 Speaker 1: me some moonshine, and I took it silently and got 67 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:09,800 Speaker 1: to work well. And also the lights were off. That's 68 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 1: none of this is actually surprising to me. I hope 69 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:17,600 Speaker 1: that that gives you. I hope that my complete lack 70 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:19,159 Speaker 1: of surprise gives you all a little bit of a 71 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:22,560 Speaker 1: peek behind the curtain of what it certainly has been 72 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:25,560 Speaker 1: like working for this company. I will say this was 73 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:29,000 Speaker 1: very early in my career here for me, So I 74 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:35,279 Speaker 1: was like, I see yeah, I see No, I mean 75 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:39,200 Speaker 1: we're we like sharing a drink. We do, and we're 76 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 1: not easily freaked out. Both true, both true. But okay, well, 77 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:55,159 Speaker 1: let's get to a question. Yes, moonshine, what is it? Well, 78 00:04:55,880 --> 00:04:59,280 Speaker 1: moonshine is a catch all word for distilled alcohol made 79 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:02,560 Speaker 1: by home producers. Confusingly, though, the term is now also 80 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:06,279 Speaker 1: applied to unaged or or white whiskey manufactured by commercial 81 00:05:06,279 --> 00:05:11,040 Speaker 1: producers who are doing it legally in the United States. Anyway, 82 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:15,640 Speaker 1: it does get a little confusing, it does. Um. White 83 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:19,040 Speaker 1: whiskey is simply whiskey, being a category of alcohol, is 84 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:21,880 Speaker 1: made from a mash of some type of grain um 85 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:24,760 Speaker 1: that has not been aged in barrels and thus has 86 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:27,000 Speaker 1: not picked up any of the flavors or colors that 87 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:30,800 Speaker 1: come from that aging process. The aging process can also 88 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:34,200 Speaker 1: filter out some undesirable flavors and can allow some harsher 89 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:37,680 Speaker 1: compounds to evaporate out. Therefore, white whiskeys tend to be 90 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:43,120 Speaker 1: very sharp in flavor compared with aged whiskeys. Yes, most 91 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:45,719 Speaker 1: moonshine made by home producers in the United States at 92 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:48,480 Speaker 1: any rate is indeed white whiskey, and the most common 93 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:52,440 Speaker 1: grain type used is apparently corn um, although producers probably 94 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:55,360 Speaker 1: use what's available and won't attract too much attention because 95 00:05:55,640 --> 00:06:00,280 Speaker 1: home distillery is super illegal in the United States. Oh yeah, Um, 96 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 1: I've heard of fruit and even granulated sugar being the 97 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 1: main ingredients. Um. Those technically would produce brandies and RUMs, 98 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:12,240 Speaker 1: but you know who's counting. Like with any distilled alcohol, 99 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:15,839 Speaker 1: moonshine is going to start out by you mixing water 100 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:18,880 Speaker 1: and your main ingredients of corn, wheat, barley, fruit, whatever, 101 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:22,279 Speaker 1: um and heating them to make their starches break down 102 00:06:22,320 --> 00:06:25,320 Speaker 1: and their sugars become more available, which you want to 103 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:28,400 Speaker 1: do because you then either let wild yeast grow in 104 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:30,920 Speaker 1: it or you add yeast, which which will eat those 105 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:39,000 Speaker 1: sugars and poop alcohol and flavor fermentation used poop. When 106 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:42,640 Speaker 1: you distill alcohol, UH, what you're doing is heating that 107 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:45,680 Speaker 1: fermented liquid to the point where the booze that you 108 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:48,560 Speaker 1: want evaporates, but but the stuff that you don't want, 109 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:51,560 Speaker 1: which is everything else, really does not. UM. You then 110 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:54,240 Speaker 1: collect the boozy vapor and cool it until it condenses 111 00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:57,120 Speaker 1: into liquid again. And this is fairly easy to do 112 00:06:57,160 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 1: because alcohol compounds hit their boiling point at much low 113 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:02,279 Speaker 1: temperatures than water does. So like if you bring a 114 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:05,520 Speaker 1: still up to about seventy eight degrees celsius a hundred 115 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:08,159 Speaker 1: and seventy two fahrenheit UM, the steam coming off of 116 00:07:08,200 --> 00:07:13,480 Speaker 1: it will be mostly alcohols. But not all alcohols are 117 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:17,720 Speaker 1: created equal, no UH. Distillers talk about their products having 118 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:21,520 Speaker 1: three parts during the process, the heads, the tails, and 119 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:23,680 Speaker 1: the hearts. The heads are what come off of the 120 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 1: still first UM as it's heating up, and these are 121 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:29,600 Speaker 1: compounds that hit their boiling point below that seventy eight celsius, 122 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:31,360 Speaker 1: including a lot of stuff that you don't want to 123 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:37,320 Speaker 1: consume because it is poison, like acetone and a seatles 124 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:40,920 Speaker 1: tull to hide. I think we're gonna go with that. 125 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:44,920 Speaker 1: It's like take five, y'all anyway, UM, and also methanol. 126 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:48,920 Speaker 1: The tails are what come off way towards the end, 127 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:52,080 Speaker 1: alcohols with higher boiling points, plus some like oils and 128 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:55,600 Speaker 1: other stuff like glycerin, which you also generally don't want 129 00:07:55,640 --> 00:07:59,240 Speaker 1: to consume, but more because they taste weird than because 130 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:03,200 Speaker 1: they're dangerous. The heart, meanwhile, is what evaporates through the 131 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:06,320 Speaker 1: still in the middle of the process, lots of ethyl alcohol, 132 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:08,840 Speaker 1: which is what you do want. UM. Knowing how to 133 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:12,200 Speaker 1: tell the difference among the three and thus collecting mostly 134 00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:16,440 Speaker 1: hearts is key to creating a tasty and safe product, 135 00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:18,440 Speaker 1: and running the hearts through the still a second or 136 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 1: third time can help you get more of what you 137 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 1: wanted less of what you don't. M a moonshine maybe 138 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:30,280 Speaker 1: even sharper still than than unaged alcohols that are commercially produced. 139 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:33,840 Speaker 1: Because distillation is such an involved chemistry UM, and some 140 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:37,199 Speaker 1: producers might cut corners by like not doing those extra 141 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:40,679 Speaker 1: runs or not using filters or possibly adding extra stuff 142 00:08:40,679 --> 00:08:43,520 Speaker 1: to the mash to attempt to speed fermentation or otherwise 143 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:46,200 Speaker 1: game the system somehow. Um or they might make it 144 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:48,680 Speaker 1: perfectly but just leave it very high proof, like up 145 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:51,160 Speaker 1: to around a hundred and fifty proof, which is way 146 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:52,840 Speaker 1: higher than most of us are used to. Your your 147 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:55,280 Speaker 1: average commercial whiskey or vodka or whatever is down around 148 00:08:55,280 --> 00:08:59,360 Speaker 1: like eight proof. So yeah, I looked this up when 149 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 1: I got my bottle of moonshine because I just want 150 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:05,240 Speaker 1: to be clear, like what you were in for gin, 151 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:09,679 Speaker 1: but how much alcohol is in there? And I think 152 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:12,560 Speaker 1: it was double specific it was it was more, Yes, 153 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:16,400 Speaker 1: it was more more than more than usual. Um yeah, 154 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:19,640 Speaker 1: So so okay. So generally, when you're talking about moonshine, 155 00:09:19,679 --> 00:09:22,720 Speaker 1: you're talking about something that will be kind of lightly sweet, 156 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:26,480 Speaker 1: maybe have some kind of flavor based on some specific 157 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:28,600 Speaker 1: flavor based on whatever went into it, some of that 158 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:31,640 Speaker 1: kind of corn or something like that. Um, but then 159 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:34,760 Speaker 1: a but then a pretty pretty serious biter burn, the 160 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:38,200 Speaker 1: kind of thing that makes you go, who Yes, I 161 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 1: think I think I did that the last time that 162 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:42,240 Speaker 1: I had a white whiskey with you and Dylan when 163 00:09:42,280 --> 00:09:45,600 Speaker 1: we were in uh Kentucky. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that 164 00:09:45,679 --> 00:09:49,080 Speaker 1: was good. Oh that was a thing I like, I 165 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:52,720 Speaker 1: stepped away from the bar, I would I was like, waw, 166 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:56,960 Speaker 1: all right, that's happening. Um. But yes, but moonshine, if 167 00:09:57,160 --> 00:10:00,120 Speaker 1: a moonshiner knows what they're doing, it's not dangerous. Um. 168 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:02,920 Speaker 1: But you know that is a trustful because it's not 169 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:10,640 Speaker 1: regulated because it's illegal. Yes, yes, anyway, we'll talk about 170 00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:13,360 Speaker 1: that more in a second, will Um. But now nutrition 171 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:20,920 Speaker 1: drink responsibly. Yeah. An ounce of a hundred proof white 172 00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:24,640 Speaker 1: whiskey has about eighty to ninety calories. It's it's alcohol. 173 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:28,719 Speaker 1: Drink responsibly, very much. Drink responsibly. Yes, and yeah, a 174 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:31,760 Speaker 1: bad batch of moonshine can indeed make you go blind. Um, 175 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:34,679 Speaker 1: sometimes due to the addition of lie to speed deformentation. 176 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:37,840 Speaker 1: This is more in the past thing. But you know, 177 00:10:38,280 --> 00:10:41,360 Speaker 1: um or even kill you. And some producers cry foul, 178 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:44,400 Speaker 1: claiming this is a rumor started and spread by legal 179 00:10:44,440 --> 00:10:47,280 Speaker 1: producers to shut down the less than legal stuff or 180 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:50,480 Speaker 1: maybe the government. I don't know, they had they had 181 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:53,640 Speaker 1: a huge campaign against it, right Oh yes, oh yes 182 00:10:53,679 --> 00:10:56,240 Speaker 1: they did. Um. I would say moonshine is like a 183 00:10:56,280 --> 00:10:59,800 Speaker 1: big middle finger to the government United States. It is 184 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:02,079 Speaker 1: who buddy it is. We are going to get into 185 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:05,000 Speaker 1: that in the history some but but but but one 186 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:07,839 Speaker 1: one quick factory to they got Louis Armstrong involved in it. 187 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:10,920 Speaker 1: Didn't think they did at the invest Yeah, the government 188 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:14,000 Speaker 1: requested it, um, and he recorded several ads about the 189 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:17,520 Speaker 1: potential dangers of consuming moonshine, and it was this was 190 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:22,600 Speaker 1: just one part of the poison moonshine plublicity program. Oh, 191 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:25,520 Speaker 1: this is a whole okay, alright, so in this is 192 00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:28,000 Speaker 1: sort of like a prohibition side note more than a 193 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:30,720 Speaker 1: moonshine side note. But since we're talking about it, all right, 194 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:34,560 Speaker 1: it is completely true that methanol can cause blindness and 195 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:38,640 Speaker 1: respiratory paralysis, which can lead to death. UM. So if 196 00:11:38,679 --> 00:11:42,160 Speaker 1: a moonshiner isn't paying attention and leaves methanol in their hooch, 197 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:46,280 Speaker 1: that's bad times. UM. Methanol boils off first during the 198 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 1: heads phase and is sometimes specified as a whole fourth 199 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:54,000 Speaker 1: category during distillation, the four shots it's called. However, I 200 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:56,240 Speaker 1: am not sure about the veracity of the lie thing 201 00:11:57,240 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 1: past or or present. Um, And for sure, a lot 202 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:05,480 Speaker 1: of the deaths from poisonous booze during prohibition were due 203 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:09,559 Speaker 1: to the government requiring industrial producers of alcohol to deliberately 204 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:13,160 Speaker 1: poison their product so that any moonshiner who was attempting 205 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:17,360 Speaker 1: to use that industrial alcohol redistill it into moonshine would 206 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:21,760 Speaker 1: poison their customers and possibly themselves. Wow. Um. Some estimates 207 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:27,800 Speaker 1: put the death toll from this program above ten citizens. Um. 208 00:12:27,840 --> 00:12:31,560 Speaker 1: It is a fascinating and terrific story for another day. Um, 209 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:33,160 Speaker 1: if you'd like to read about it. Slate has a 210 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:37,600 Speaker 1: great article on the subject called The Chemist's War. And yeah, 211 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:41,760 Speaker 1: so so I know, you know it's it's it's not 212 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:45,320 Speaker 1: in a moonshiner's interest to poison their customer base. Sure 213 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:51,520 Speaker 1: I do. Back in like when we did our Gin episode. Um, 214 00:12:51,559 --> 00:12:53,760 Speaker 1: I don't know. They weren't like trying to do it, 215 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:58,040 Speaker 1: fir saure. They were just kind of experimenting, trying to 216 00:12:58,120 --> 00:13:00,400 Speaker 1: trying to stretch, trying to make a profit, trying to 217 00:13:00,559 --> 00:13:04,720 Speaker 1: get stuff out quicker. Yeah, sure it happens. You know 218 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:11,199 Speaker 1: sometimes I guess according to that Gin tour Um, you're 219 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:15,720 Speaker 1: really good numbers. Yeah, it's legal. It's really hard to 220 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:19,600 Speaker 1: track down numbers on that, very difficult. And this brings 221 00:13:19,640 --> 00:13:24,439 Speaker 1: us to your question is moonshine like legal? Um, the 222 00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:28,640 Speaker 1: official Oxford English Dictionary definition is moonshine is whiskey or 223 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:32,439 Speaker 1: other strong alcoholic drinks made and sold illegally. But you 224 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:34,920 Speaker 1: might be thinking, I've definitely seen something called been trying 225 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:38,880 Speaker 1: at the store apple pie flavored. Yeah, it just comes 226 00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:41,480 Speaker 1: down to that lack of federal requirements in place around 227 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:47,960 Speaker 1: defining what can be called moonshine, right, yeah, and um, 228 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:50,120 Speaker 1: there aren't the same guidelines that are in place around 229 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:54,679 Speaker 1: something like bourbon, which we've talked about. Yeah. Absolutely, Um. Yeah, Also, 230 00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:57,400 Speaker 1: in some other countries you can totally distill booze at home, 231 00:13:57,520 --> 00:14:01,040 Speaker 1: So if you categorize any home to old boozes moonshine, 232 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:03,679 Speaker 1: then moonshine can be legal. Depending on where I live. 233 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:10,080 Speaker 1: I definitely thought it was legal. But alright, Georgia, something 234 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:13,760 Speaker 1: about me. Um, Distilling alcohol at home is legal in 235 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:16,040 Speaker 1: US because it's easy to make a mistake resulting in 236 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:19,400 Speaker 1: a dangerous product, and that's typically the whole mystique of 237 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:24,240 Speaker 1: moonshine here. Yeah, she's dangerous. It's legal and distilled by 238 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:29,240 Speaker 1: someone deep and but moonshiner is making product illegally are 239 00:14:29,280 --> 00:14:33,240 Speaker 1: more likely to be charged with tax evasion and money laundering, 240 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:35,920 Speaker 1: and that could mean up to fifteen years in prison. Yeah. 241 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:37,440 Speaker 1: The thing is that the Feds can only get you 242 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:39,960 Speaker 1: for five years in prison, up to five years for 243 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:41,880 Speaker 1: making moonshine, but they can get you for up to 244 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:47,440 Speaker 1: fifteen for tax evasion. Goodness, so they want those taxes. 245 00:14:48,080 --> 00:14:50,480 Speaker 1: I mean, this whole thing kind of boils down to that. 246 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:55,400 Speaker 1: It does. Yes, um an important distinction. Moonshiners are people 247 00:14:55,440 --> 00:14:58,360 Speaker 1: that are making the stuff and bootleggers are the ones 248 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:01,600 Speaker 1: that smuggle it. The word bootleger refers to a practice 249 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:05,200 Speaker 1: dating back to the eighteen eighties of smuggling flask in 250 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:09,160 Speaker 1: your boots. Yeah, big high boots. Yes, they're very useful. 251 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:12,440 Speaker 1: Once automobiles came on the scene, the term evolved to 252 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:17,400 Speaker 1: mean anyone smuggling liquor. In the myth a legend of 253 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:21,840 Speaker 1: moonshine is really impressive, especially here in the South. Although 254 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:26,480 Speaker 1: I mean, did you have like a moonshine zero? Yeah, 255 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:30,520 Speaker 1: no Ohio and neither Ohio North South Florida are are 256 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:34,600 Speaker 1: part of the whole like moonshine trail and not is 257 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:36,560 Speaker 1: yeah or I mean not not not to my personal 258 00:15:36,600 --> 00:15:39,160 Speaker 1: knowledge at any rate, I'm sure that that that like 259 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:44,160 Speaker 1: Cleveland during Prohibition was bumping with some moonshine, but um, 260 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:46,360 Speaker 1: but yeah not not. By the time I got there, 261 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:50,760 Speaker 1: things have changed. Also, I was seven, so yeah, you're 262 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:55,960 Speaker 1: like tuned into the moonshine gossips. Okay. When I was 263 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:59,600 Speaker 1: growing up in small town Georgia, um, there were so 264 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:03,480 Speaker 1: many rumors about where you could get moonshine, who was 265 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:05,640 Speaker 1: making it, and secret sellers in the woods. And I 266 00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:08,800 Speaker 1: know for sure one of them was factor um and 267 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:12,720 Speaker 1: it was really mythic um. I wish I could go 268 00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:16,360 Speaker 1: into more. I don't want to get anyone in trouble. Yeah, 269 00:16:16,560 --> 00:16:20,440 Speaker 1: but it has a reputation and it has a lot 270 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:26,480 Speaker 1: of nicknames as well. Goodness, yes, who white lightning, rot gut, 271 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:30,400 Speaker 1: mountain dew and used to come with a mountain dew. 272 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:35,560 Speaker 1: It'll tickle your inherts, tickle your innerts, I agree, skull pop, 273 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:41,840 Speaker 1: panther's breath or panther's piss or just shine um. And yeah, yeah, 274 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:46,440 Speaker 1: it was a big defiance to the to the U. S. Government. 275 00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:50,640 Speaker 1: It is it is um or certainly not yes, has 276 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:53,800 Speaker 1: been and still is. Yeah, I do know, I do know, 277 00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:58,880 Speaker 1: at least two people who have family members who have 278 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:03,880 Speaker 1: or still do make moonshine. I've been told, I've been 279 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:09,359 Speaker 1: told of their stills. Yeah, it's it is, it's a 280 00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:11,480 Speaker 1: whole thing's it's it's kind of part of that wonderful 281 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:15,120 Speaker 1: Southern Gothic like storytelling kind of tradition of of just 282 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:17,520 Speaker 1: you know, like like like this is what we're up to, 283 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:20,320 Speaker 1: like let me let me paint you a story kind 284 00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:24,440 Speaker 1: of thing. Yes, yes, um, and and one of those 285 00:17:24,520 --> 00:17:27,640 Speaker 1: stories that you might hear. And I find it fascinating 286 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:31,920 Speaker 1: that we see this reflected in so much science fiction. Um, 287 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:34,840 Speaker 1: is that you can use moonshine or whatever sci fi 288 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:40,600 Speaker 1: equivalent as fuel? Oh sure, Um. Some of it was, 289 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:44,600 Speaker 1: and I'm sure still is distilled in car gradiators, which 290 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:47,440 Speaker 1: was not safe. No, imagine, No, no, you don't want 291 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:49,800 Speaker 1: to know. You generally want to do distillation in copper 292 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:53,480 Speaker 1: because copper is one of the things that doesn't leach 293 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:56,840 Speaker 1: bad stuff into your alcohol, as opposed to something like 294 00:17:56,880 --> 00:18:02,560 Speaker 1: a lead pipe, which does. Yes, you don't want that. No, no, no, 295 00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:07,920 Speaker 1: not at all. But this about brings us to some 296 00:18:08,119 --> 00:18:11,760 Speaker 1: fascinating history. Yes, but first it brings us to a 297 00:18:11,840 --> 00:18:23,640 Speaker 1: quick break for a word from our sponsor and we're back. 298 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:30,040 Speaker 1: Thank you sponsoring. Okay, so this is some really fascinating stuff. 299 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:33,040 Speaker 1: I'm really excited. Um. The first use of moonshine, the 300 00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:37,560 Speaker 1: English word goes back to the fifteen century, literally meaning 301 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:43,560 Speaker 1: shine of the moon and figuratively quote appearance without substance, pretense, 302 00:18:43,880 --> 00:18:46,080 Speaker 1: or fiction. And the first time it was used to 303 00:18:46,119 --> 00:18:50,400 Speaker 1: refer to liquor. That didn't occur until the eighteenth century England, 304 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:54,800 Speaker 1: and it's specifically referred to illegal or smuggled alcohol. That's 305 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 1: why the name, because smugglers used the cover of night 306 00:18:57,320 --> 00:19:01,520 Speaker 1: to smuggle their goods, which didn't necessary have to be moonshine. Yes, 307 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:05,719 Speaker 1: but but um, Smuggling alcohol was common in Europe at 308 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:08,919 Speaker 1: the time, and smugglers had only the shine of the 309 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:12,919 Speaker 1: moon to guide their pass. Moonlight was sometimes used in 310 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:16,880 Speaker 1: the same sense as moonshine was until the nineteenth century. Yeah, 311 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:19,320 Speaker 1: and for a while there any job or activity that 312 00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:23,520 Speaker 1: was done late at night might be called moonshining or moonlighting. 313 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:27,879 Speaker 1: But eventually moonshine came to really basically mean booze and 314 00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:32,360 Speaker 1: booze related activities, and moonlighting came to mean that other 315 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:36,320 Speaker 1: thing that moonlighting means I totally forgot about moonlighting. Yeah, 316 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:40,720 Speaker 1: that's true. I remember because it was a company stipulation 317 00:19:40,760 --> 00:19:42,439 Speaker 1: that you couldn't moonlight, and I had to get a 318 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:46,600 Speaker 1: thing that said I could when I was doing that movie. Anyway, 319 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:50,040 Speaker 1: there's actually a folk tale from the time about a 320 00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:53,280 Speaker 1: group of smugglers caught in the act of raking the pond. 321 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:58,760 Speaker 1: The pond a pond for barrels of smuggled French brandy. Um. 322 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:01,119 Speaker 1: Then they were caught by some tax collectors in the 323 00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:04,840 Speaker 1: middle of the act, yes, and thinking on their feet, 324 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:08,760 Speaker 1: the smugglers pretended to be a group of confused, drunk 325 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:13,080 Speaker 1: people trying to rake in the moon's reflection or, in 326 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:17,680 Speaker 1: their drunken parlance, cheese. Yeah. Yeah. They were like, nah, dude, 327 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:21,000 Speaker 1: we're not there's no certainly no barrels of brandy in there. 328 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:23,080 Speaker 1: We're just trying to get the sweet cheese out of 329 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:29,240 Speaker 1: this pond. Are so drunk? Yeah, This bulletproof ploy obviously worked, 330 00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:32,800 Speaker 1: and the dat collectors labeled the smugglers as moon rakers 331 00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:35,040 Speaker 1: and went about their married way. I'm sure laughing about 332 00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:40,040 Speaker 1: all those silly drunk people. And moonshine was oftent typically 333 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:42,119 Speaker 1: made at night in hopes no one would see the 334 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:47,720 Speaker 1: smoke from the stoves. It got its start in America 335 00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:51,760 Speaker 1: in grain producing states like Pennsylvania. Yeah, immigrants from England 336 00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:55,200 Speaker 1: and Scotland and Ireland who settled in Appalachia brought their 337 00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:58,280 Speaker 1: whiskey recipes with them and adopted them for whatever grains 338 00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:00,920 Speaker 1: were they were growing around here. And instead of letting 339 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:04,200 Speaker 1: excess grain go to waste, producers distilled it. Not only 340 00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:06,520 Speaker 1: could you drink or maybe sell this stuff, but in 341 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:09,760 Speaker 1: some places it was an accepted currency. It could be 342 00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:12,639 Speaker 1: the difference between surviving and not. Oh yeah, it was 343 00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:16,080 Speaker 1: a big economic um. Uh, maybe not staple, but but 344 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:21,440 Speaker 1: side game. It was so in when the U. S governments, 345 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:24,639 Speaker 1: you know, seeing all of this, implemented the whiskey tax 346 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:26,800 Speaker 1: in an effort to pay off the cost of the 347 00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:31,760 Speaker 1: Revolutionary War. Uh, people were were happy about it. No. No, 348 00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:34,920 Speaker 1: Also thanks to this for letting me once again look 349 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:39,800 Speaker 1: up the Alexander Hamilton sound jack, because they say, and 350 00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:42,879 Speaker 1: they're Jefferson is doing like a there's a cabin map 351 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:46,000 Speaker 1: and he says, when Brittain tax ort, we got frisky. 352 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:48,000 Speaker 1: Imagine what's going to happen if you've go to tax 353 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:52,040 Speaker 1: on whiskey, and it was true. I mean, it's what 354 00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:54,720 Speaker 1: it was right after the Revolutionary War. And some people's 355 00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:56,879 Speaker 1: you know, like like mentality about it was like we 356 00:21:57,040 --> 00:22:01,160 Speaker 1: just we just went to war about taxa without representation. 357 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:05,000 Speaker 1: Why why why are you gonna taxes for this now? Yeah, 358 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:09,000 Speaker 1: And it was a big shift from it was basically 359 00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:13,040 Speaker 1: States rice versus a federal bank. And so we were 360 00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:14,960 Speaker 1: still fingering out in a lot of stuff. You're a 361 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:18,520 Speaker 1: new country, um, and yeah, we talked about this sum 362 00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:22,359 Speaker 1: in our our Bourbon Whiskey episode. So yeah, people didn't 363 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:26,639 Speaker 1: like it. Distillers resorted to all sorts of things to 364 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:29,440 Speaker 1: evade this tax. The point the U. S. Marshal descended 365 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:35,359 Speaker 1: upon Pennsylvania coming to collect, and his presence was not welcomed. 366 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:39,399 Speaker 1: Five hundred men attacked the home of the local tax 367 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:42,880 Speaker 1: inspector general and during the skirmish, the group's leader was killed, 368 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:45,959 Speaker 1: which escalated into a protest made up of over six 369 00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:52,119 Speaker 1: thousand people. President George Washington sent thirteen thousand troops to 370 00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:57,280 Speaker 1: deal with the situation. Who yes, all of this was 371 00:22:57,359 --> 00:23:00,399 Speaker 1: part of the Whiskey Rebellion. In eighteen o one, the U. S. 372 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:04,240 Speaker 1: Government repealed the whiskey tax um, and this was one 373 00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:09,520 Speaker 1: of our new country's first test Yeah, the Whiskey Rebellion. 374 00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:15,399 Speaker 1: We're serious about it or um. And before and after this, though, 375 00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:20,560 Speaker 1: moonshining really took off in the South. Tales were told 376 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:23,760 Speaker 1: about gunfights between collectors trying to get excise taxes from 377 00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:27,879 Speaker 1: moonshiners in the eighteen sixties. These skirmishes increased as the 378 00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:31,159 Speaker 1: revenuers came around trying to collect excise taxes for the 379 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:34,600 Speaker 1: Civil War. Yeah, during and after the Civil War, times 380 00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:37,400 Speaker 1: were particularly hard for a lot of Americans, and there 381 00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:39,920 Speaker 1: was again a lot of resentment from people who were 382 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:42,719 Speaker 1: scraping to make a living off of things like moonshine 383 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:48,840 Speaker 1: towards these taxes, and moonshiners came together with the Ku 384 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:53,080 Speaker 1: Klux Klan as this conflict against the tax collectors and crew, 385 00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:58,280 Speaker 1: and several battles ensued. As desperation went up, moonshiners became 386 00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:01,879 Speaker 1: more ruthless and violent in their tactics, attacking I R 387 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:05,600 Speaker 1: S members and their families and anyone who they believed 388 00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:09,440 Speaker 1: may give away the location of us. Still, and this 389 00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:13,919 Speaker 1: did not endear moonshiners to their communities and the public. 390 00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:16,919 Speaker 1: Opinions started to shift towards the negative end when it 391 00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:21,080 Speaker 1: came to moonshiners. At the same time, temperance is getting 392 00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:26,119 Speaker 1: more and more public support in the Georgia Mountains. In 393 00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:29,680 Speaker 1: eighteen seventy six, four fifths of the court cases in 394 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:34,959 Speaker 1: federal law enforcement focus was on illegal outool. Yeah. Um, 395 00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:38,159 Speaker 1: I wanted to mention too. Wasn't just a man's world? No. 396 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:44,400 Speaker 1: Take Nancy the moonshiner. Um. She was in New Jersey 397 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:49,399 Speaker 1: in eighteen eighties. Her neighbors largely regarded her as eccentric, 398 00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:53,399 Speaker 1: and I can see why because under the cover of 399 00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:57,439 Speaker 1: night she would steal apples and use those apples to 400 00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:02,560 Speaker 1: make what she called Jersey lightning or apple check. Okay, yes, 401 00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:05,560 Speaker 1: that is a Milo pony. By the way, a detective 402 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:09,920 Speaker 1: on her case snuck onto her property, but Nancy knocked 403 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:15,400 Speaker 1: him out and to skate Nancy. We can't output root 404 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:18,960 Speaker 1: for them. Oh no. Um. Then there was Moonshine Mary, 405 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:21,600 Speaker 1: a Polish immigrant out of Illinois who made moonshine and 406 00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:24,359 Speaker 1: sold shots of it out of her home for fifteen cents. 407 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:27,439 Speaker 1: But she went on to become the first woman in 408 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:32,600 Speaker 1: that state to be convicted for selling poison liquor, and 409 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:35,600 Speaker 1: as we've discussed before, women were also involved in the 410 00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:40,200 Speaker 1: transporting of illegal alcohol. Um there's Willie Carter Sharp who 411 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:47,600 Speaker 1: gave testimony to the moonshine conspiracy trial with diamond studied teeth, 412 00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:57,479 Speaker 1: diamond studied teeth that you know nothing but respect. I 413 00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:00,960 Speaker 1: couldn't pull it off. That is about as America as 414 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:04,560 Speaker 1: you get. I think you're at a moonshine trial. You've 415 00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:08,520 Speaker 1: been arrested twelve times what she was, and you show 416 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:12,000 Speaker 1: up with time and studed teeth. Yeah, yeah you do. 417 00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:15,879 Speaker 1: You're right, You're right. But here we come to the 418 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:20,879 Speaker 1: nineteen twenties and prohibition for moonshine. This was the best 419 00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:24,440 Speaker 1: thing that could have happened. Now that you couldn't buy 420 00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:27,879 Speaker 1: alcohol bi legal means more people were seeking out illegal 421 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:30,240 Speaker 1: sources for their booze, and moonshine had been rocking that 422 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:35,520 Speaker 1: for for a while already. UM demand was so great, 423 00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:39,840 Speaker 1: moonshiner's resorted to water down alcohol and sugar based moonshine 424 00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:43,679 Speaker 1: as opposed to crane based speak easies with passwords and 425 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:46,760 Speaker 1: secret ways to escape in case the authorities ever showed up, 426 00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:51,320 Speaker 1: and organized crime around the smuggling and sale of alcohol flourish. Yeah, 427 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:56,200 Speaker 1: in hot spots like in one Franklin County, Virginia. It's 428 00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:59,199 Speaker 1: been estimated that of the residents were involved in the 429 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:03,080 Speaker 1: moonshine trade ring this time, and so that's a lot 430 00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:09,880 Speaker 1: of kids as well, you know. Yeah, okay, okay. During 431 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:13,439 Speaker 1: the nineteen thirties, moonshiners from Dawson County, which is the 432 00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:16,120 Speaker 1: big city from where I grew up in our high 433 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:22,240 Speaker 1: school rival they transported melons of gallons of moonshine to Atlanta, 434 00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:26,040 Speaker 1: and my very own home county of Lumpkin was big 435 00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:28,680 Speaker 1: in the moonshine scene in the thirties and forties as well. 436 00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:34,639 Speaker 1: And also distillers sometimes use the bone from a raccoons penis. Yes, 437 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,800 Speaker 1: they do have bones, they do in the distilling process. 438 00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:40,359 Speaker 1: The man in Dawsonville gave me the history lesson, like 439 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:42,880 Speaker 1: I said, he had one in his hat. Uh and yes, 440 00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:45,960 Speaker 1: like I said, he had previously worked for NASA's pretty cool. Yeah, yeah, 441 00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:48,320 Speaker 1: I think the I think the penis bone is is 442 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:51,200 Speaker 1: used to help control the flow of the spirit from 443 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:54,560 Speaker 1: the condensing hose into the collection vessel, like at the 444 00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:57,720 Speaker 1: end of the process. I think that's yeah, that's he 445 00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:01,680 Speaker 1: showed us how to use what it was used for. 446 00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:05,600 Speaker 1: I don't know, but yeah, I think that was that 447 00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:08,400 Speaker 1: was it. It It was the right size for the spout, right, yeah. Yeah. 448 00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:10,040 Speaker 1: And it's kind of got this little like s curve 449 00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:13,080 Speaker 1: shape so so, and sort of a little groove in 450 00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:18,159 Speaker 1: it where the urethra goes. So I read a surprising 451 00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:22,480 Speaker 1: amount about raccoon penises during research for this episode. Never 452 00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:26,600 Speaker 1: know I was gonna go. I was like, well, there 453 00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:32,480 Speaker 1: you are. This is your life, your profession. I sometimes 454 00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:35,600 Speaker 1: I sometimes hope that like some government official has to 455 00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:38,760 Speaker 1: look at my search, my searches someday to just go like, oh, 456 00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:43,120 Speaker 1: dear what, Oh I don't even know me too. I 457 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:45,400 Speaker 1: like to imagine there's one person assigned to you and 458 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:51,480 Speaker 1: you're just making their life super interesting and disturbed. Well 459 00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:59,200 Speaker 1: you're welcome, So back to moonshine. Right. Anyway, business was 460 00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:05,840 Speaker 1: booming until prohibition was repealed in nineteen thirty three. Then 461 00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:08,920 Speaker 1: sales flattened, and that that didn't mean it went away 462 00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:12,080 Speaker 1: much the annoyance of the federal government who tried to 463 00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:16,480 Speaker 1: wrangle this moonshine situation into the seventies without these laws 464 00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:20,200 Speaker 1: prohibiting alcohol, although there are still dry counties, and they're 465 00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:22,800 Speaker 1: obviously were back then. Um, going to the trouble seeking 466 00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:25,680 Speaker 1: out moonshine for the average person just wasn't worth it. 467 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:31,440 Speaker 1: In order to transport as much moonshine as possible, mechanics 468 00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:35,720 Speaker 1: would fine tune their cars, upgrading the engine and adding 469 00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:39,320 Speaker 1: in secret compartments for the product. Um shocks and springs 470 00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:42,400 Speaker 1: were installed to protect the booze, and I read accounts 471 00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:49,600 Speaker 1: of oil slicks smoke springs. These were called tanker cars, 472 00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:54,080 Speaker 1: and we're frequently unassuming nineteen forties forwards, and I think 473 00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:56,400 Speaker 1: I read this whole thing about Henry Ford being like 474 00:29:56,440 --> 00:30:02,880 Speaker 1: a teetotaler, being so offended about Yes, that's fun. And 475 00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:06,200 Speaker 1: drivers who were also called runners are trippers had to 476 00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:10,080 Speaker 1: have some real driving know how, some sweet moves, as 477 00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:13,600 Speaker 1: they say, to evade the authorities. They also had to 478 00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:16,040 Speaker 1: know all the mountain back roads well enough to drive 479 00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:19,680 Speaker 1: them in the dark without headlights. One of their moves 480 00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:23,800 Speaker 1: was called the bootleg turn, a quick turnaround into a 481 00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:27,480 Speaker 1: controlled skid. In their spare time, these drivers would work 482 00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:31,680 Speaker 1: on their skills by racing against each other, sometimes at fairgrounds, 483 00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:37,680 Speaker 1: sometimes for pay, sometimes with thousands of spectators. So okay. 484 00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:41,280 Speaker 1: Once prohibition went away and World War Two ended, there 485 00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:44,360 Speaker 1: was this group of skilled drivers who had suped up 486 00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:47,120 Speaker 1: cars and enjoyed racing each other, who saw that people 487 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:50,280 Speaker 1: would pay to watch them race, and they were in 488 00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:56,560 Speaker 1: the market for a new job. So in this gave 489 00:30:56,640 --> 00:31:00,520 Speaker 1: birth to NASCAR. Supposedly, the winner of the very first 490 00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:04,440 Speaker 1: race used the same car to make a run like 491 00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:09,280 Speaker 1: a week previous. Oh my goodness, I love it. I 492 00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:11,560 Speaker 1: do too. I had no idea about this. And we 493 00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:14,400 Speaker 1: rolled up at that distillery and there's all this NASCAR memorabilia. 494 00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:20,560 Speaker 1: This is interesting, But for real, Moonshine and NASCAR are 495 00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:25,120 Speaker 1: and we're tight. Raymond Parks. Moonshiner was the first to 496 00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:29,160 Speaker 1: bring together a formal official racing team. He had a 497 00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:32,880 Speaker 1: lot of money, most of it from illegal bootlegging, perhaps 498 00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:38,440 Speaker 1: particularly in our home base of Atlanta. Two of his 499 00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:44,160 Speaker 1: cousins were Roy Hall and Lloyd the Lightning. I think 500 00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:46,520 Speaker 1: it's c A. I I'm not if. If it's not, 501 00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:49,040 Speaker 1: then I have to apologize to to a mutual friend 502 00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:52,640 Speaker 1: of ours for how I've been pronouncing his name. Oh dear, 503 00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:56,680 Speaker 1: oh dear, I I like I was telling Lauren. I 504 00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:59,520 Speaker 1: tried to look this up beforehand, and I found a 505 00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:02,560 Speaker 1: lot of great videos about the Moonshine Festival in Dawsonville, 506 00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:07,320 Speaker 1: but I did not find any pronunciation. Anyway, we did, 507 00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:11,560 Speaker 1: we knew these were two of the best trippers. Um 508 00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:14,280 Speaker 1: Lloyd was the winner of the first big stock car 509 00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:19,760 Speaker 1: race in on Atlanta's Lakewood Speedway when start car racing 510 00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:24,000 Speaker 1: resumed post World War Two. Police band five racers Hall 511 00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:27,560 Speaker 1: included for hauling illegal alcohol and it almost led to 512 00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:34,680 Speaker 1: a riot. Thirty thousand people chanted Hall's name. Yes, he 513 00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:39,120 Speaker 1: had sixteen arrest and his driver's license had been rebound, 514 00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:43,400 Speaker 1: but police gave into the pressure and allowed the bootleggers 515 00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:47,280 Speaker 1: to race. Yep. Okay, And as I learned on my 516 00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:52,000 Speaker 1: moonshine adventure, I guess I wasn't hip to this. But 517 00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:54,840 Speaker 1: we have a saying, well, they have a saying in Dawsonville. 518 00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:57,520 Speaker 1: Awesome Bille from Dawsonville and his son Chase from the 519 00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:05,000 Speaker 1: same place. I love it from a safe place, Dawsonville. Yep. 520 00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:09,280 Speaker 1: Dawsonville has a mountain Moonshine festival every year. And if 521 00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:13,360 Speaker 1: you do the beautiful Amicalola hike, which my recommendation is 522 00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:14,720 Speaker 1: do it in the fall, do it early, it will 523 00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:17,200 Speaker 1: be packed, and then go to burps. Far back after 524 00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:20,400 Speaker 1: Um you can see the remains of a bootlegger truck 525 00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:22,840 Speaker 1: from the nineteen forties that slid off the road and 526 00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:26,120 Speaker 1: plummeted two hundred feet and when it was discovered in 527 00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:29,680 Speaker 1: the nineteen seventies, several jars of moonshine were found in 528 00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:36,640 Speaker 1: Oh Wow. One of the people who most exemplified Moonshine's 529 00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:40,640 Speaker 1: connection to NASCAR was Junior Johnson, and Johnson won pretty 530 00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:43,520 Speaker 1: big early on in his NASCAR career, but he went 531 00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:46,960 Speaker 1: to jail soon after for eleven months for moonshining, and 532 00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,960 Speaker 1: when he got back, he went right back to moonshining 533 00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:53,880 Speaker 1: and right back to racing. In six he received a 534 00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:59,240 Speaker 1: pardon for his moonshining from President Reagan, a pardon from 535 00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:04,600 Speaker 1: room shining Um. But people still got in all kinds 536 00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:08,640 Speaker 1: of trouble for moonshining UM. In nine, at least one 537 00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:13,320 Speaker 1: arrest was made after authorities found a still buried underneath 538 00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:17,719 Speaker 1: a fake cemetery in the aforementioned Franklin County, Virginia. UM. 539 00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:21,480 Speaker 1: The moonshiners had like erected fake tombstone and laid down 540 00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:24,920 Speaker 1: artificial flowers on the grays because you could like just 541 00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:29,400 Speaker 1: see it from the road. Um, there's this. There's this 542 00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:32,520 Speaker 1: article in a local paper about it, and it quoted 543 00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:35,879 Speaker 1: a Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms agent one Jim 544 00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:38,879 Speaker 1: Hunt as saying, yes, sir, that was a good one. 545 00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:44,320 Speaker 1: It was something I'll tell you that I concur oh 546 00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:53,480 Speaker 1: fake with flowers. Wow Ah. Nowadays there are some distilleries 547 00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:57,839 Speaker 1: making white whiskey legally and selling it as moonshine. The 548 00:34:57,880 --> 00:34:59,880 Speaker 1: first instance of this that I could find was a 549 00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:03,319 Speaker 1: UM this craft white whiskey distillery out of Virginia in 550 00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:06,799 Speaker 1: the late eighties called Belmont Farm Distillery UM, run by 551 00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:11,319 Speaker 1: the grandson of a moonshiner. Production started really increasing during 552 00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:14,920 Speaker 1: the recent recession, when some states began loosening regulations around 553 00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:17,960 Speaker 1: distilling UM, leading to more craft distillers opening up shop, 554 00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:21,359 Speaker 1: including in areas where moonshine had always been made UM, 555 00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:25,080 Speaker 1: like eastern Tennessee, which is where popular company Whole Smoky 556 00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:30,360 Speaker 1: popped up. In UM, sales of legal products labeled moonshine 557 00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:34,160 Speaker 1: UM really picked up in the twenty teens. They increased 558 00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:40,800 Speaker 1: a thousand percent between Yeah, UM Yeah. Old Smokey distributes 559 00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:44,160 Speaker 1: through like Walmart and Sam's Club. Another company, Palmetto out 560 00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:47,080 Speaker 1: of South Carolina, distributes to the UK and South Africa, 561 00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:50,000 Speaker 1: and uh Big companies like Jack Daniels and Jim Beam 562 00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:53,880 Speaker 1: have both released white Whiskeyes of their own. Wow. Yeah, 563 00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:56,200 Speaker 1: I think it because I have noticed I see it 564 00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:58,200 Speaker 1: more on menus lately, and I think it is something 565 00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:04,400 Speaker 1: like you see it shine. Yeah, there's it is. It 566 00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:13,480 Speaker 1: is popular among millennials UM in the Discovery series Moonshiner's 567 00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:15,880 Speaker 1: debuted UM, which if you have not seen it's a 568 00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:20,440 Speaker 1: it's dramatic nonfiction, meaning it portrays what illegal distilling was 569 00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:24,560 Speaker 1: and is like without actually doing anything illegal docu drama. 570 00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:29,400 Speaker 1: UM portions of it are from actual documentaries UM, including 571 00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:33,080 Speaker 1: parts about a famous or or infamous modern moonshiner by 572 00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:37,440 Speaker 1: the name of Marvin or Popcorn Sutton, who was so 573 00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:42,040 Speaker 1: dedicated to the FU government part of moonshining that tragically 574 00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:44,560 Speaker 1: in two thousand nine, at the age of sixty four, 575 00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:48,480 Speaker 1: he took his own life rather than serving a term 576 00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:56,800 Speaker 1: in prison. His tombstone reads Popcorn said, Q you oh, 577 00:36:56,840 --> 00:37:04,200 Speaker 1: I I love this guy. It sounds like something i'd 578 00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:10,680 Speaker 1: hear in a nightmare. Oh yeah, yeah that that his 579 00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:16,080 Speaker 1: name being Popcorn just touched you, didn't it did? Well. 580 00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:20,680 Speaker 1: I hope that this doesn't disturb your sleep well you know. Yeah, 581 00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:24,279 Speaker 1: but the job, I guess it is. I guess it is. 582 00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:28,839 Speaker 1: And yeah, yeah, the Discovery show Moonshiners is still going. 583 00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:34,759 Speaker 1: It's just aired its eighth season again. It's just got 584 00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:41,200 Speaker 1: this whole first mythology. Yeah. When I when I went 585 00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:44,799 Speaker 1: to it the distillery, I immediately when I out there, 586 00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:47,200 Speaker 1: I thought, why We've got to do an episode on this, 587 00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:51,560 Speaker 1: because this is so I hadn't been considered. Yeah, just 588 00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:54,319 Speaker 1: how much there is kind of wrapped it's wrapped up 589 00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:58,240 Speaker 1: in all this like secrecy. Yeah. And the Whiskey rebellion 590 00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:04,720 Speaker 1: is so well, I mean horrifying, great and yeah, fascinating stuff. 591 00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:11,000 Speaker 1: The whole poison moonshine campaign was so weird. Ah yeah, yeah, 592 00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:14,799 Speaker 1: it's it's just it's still strange to me that it's illegal, 593 00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:20,360 Speaker 1: but like like widely accepted to be a thing that 594 00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:25,440 Speaker 1: people do. Yeah, partially specifically because they're like ha ha 595 00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:35,640 Speaker 1: tax evasion. Yeah yeah, yeah, America, goodness, a bunch of 596 00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:39,719 Speaker 1: tax invators. We are, we are dedicated to our tax 597 00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:48,120 Speaker 1: evasion and too slightly dangerous pursuits. It's got to be 598 00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:51,520 Speaker 1: some risk of blowing up involved, right right, yeah, what 599 00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:55,600 Speaker 1: are you even doing there? Is um uh. And during 600 00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:58,239 Speaker 1: my research I found a great article on gizmoto that 601 00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:00,640 Speaker 1: that talks a little bit of out the science of 602 00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:03,360 Speaker 1: moonshine and how to make it. And the author starts 603 00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:06,719 Speaker 1: it off by saying, oh my god, people die from this. 604 00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:10,880 Speaker 1: People burn their houses down, people explode themselves, people poison themselves. 605 00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:14,280 Speaker 1: Learn from this article. Use it to inform your upcoming 606 00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:18,440 Speaker 1: sci fi novel about space speakeasies during space prohibition. It'll happen, 607 00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:26,000 Speaker 1: but don't actually do this. I was like, well, yeah, yeah, 608 00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:28,919 Speaker 1: I don't think we could have said it better than that. 609 00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:32,279 Speaker 1: Just wrap, wraps it up, just neat little bow right 610 00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:36,399 Speaker 1: on topshine episode. We do have a little bit more 611 00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:38,680 Speaker 1: for you, but but first we've got one more quick 612 00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:49,919 Speaker 1: break for a word from our sponsor, and we're back. 613 00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:53,920 Speaker 1: Thank you sponsored, Yes, thank you, and we're back with listen. 614 00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:05,600 Speaker 1: It was like a moon wave and then the ripples 615 00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:11,719 Speaker 1: of the thing dropping. I go too complicated. Sometimes I 616 00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:15,040 Speaker 1: wasn't following it, but I liked it. Oh thank you. Yeah, Yeah, 617 00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:18,120 Speaker 1: you're welcome. Anytime trying to paint a picture, it doesn't 618 00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:24,120 Speaker 1: always succeed. Caden wrote, I'm a big fan and I 619 00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:26,480 Speaker 1: just listened to your airline food episode and I loved it. 620 00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:29,759 Speaker 1: Thank you. You mentioned different options for picking food, and 621 00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:32,520 Speaker 1: I wanted to share my experience. I go to South 622 00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:34,840 Speaker 1: Africa to see my extended family a lot, and we 623 00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:39,200 Speaker 1: fly Emirates with a layover in Dubai. Brutal flight last year, 624 00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:41,040 Speaker 1: my dad picked me out of kid's meal for me 625 00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:44,960 Speaker 1: and I kid you not. They served candy and cake 626 00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:48,239 Speaker 1: for breakfast. Okay, I'm done. I am as well. I 627 00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:51,640 Speaker 1: didn't know this was a thing the kid options. Oh 628 00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:54,480 Speaker 1: it's just candy and cake on it. When you're in 629 00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:57,160 Speaker 1: a metal tube hurtling through the sky and your parents 630 00:40:57,160 --> 00:41:00,600 Speaker 1: can't do anything with you, what kind of monsters? I 631 00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:04,120 Speaker 1: don't know, but I'm gonna get it another kids are 632 00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:06,759 Speaker 1: gonna see it and they're gonna get mad. Yeah. Oh 633 00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:12,319 Speaker 1: that's great. Just a rebel rouser in my own way. Yeah. 634 00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:16,120 Speaker 1: Chavon wrote, you mentioned in the episode that raw rubarb 635 00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:19,279 Speaker 1: is usually far too tart to eat. Raw. We used 636 00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:21,319 Speaker 1: to grow rhubarb in the garden of my childhood home, 637 00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:23,080 Speaker 1: and once a year, when it was just ripe, I 638 00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:24,800 Speaker 1: was allowed by my mom to have one stick of 639 00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:27,040 Speaker 1: rubarb to eat, with a small bowl of sugar to 640 00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:29,680 Speaker 1: dip it in before each bite. I would usually manage 641 00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:33,760 Speaker 1: to get sticky red stains everywhere, stained fingers, stained t shirts, 642 00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:36,080 Speaker 1: stained shorts. I loved it so much, and I would 643 00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:38,480 Speaker 1: definitely recommend trying it the next time you buy it fresh. 644 00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:41,839 Speaker 1: It's delicious, if a little messy. I'm not sure if 645 00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:44,239 Speaker 1: maybe it's just a UK thing, but I think it's 646 00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:46,600 Speaker 1: pretty common here and not just my family. I haven't 647 00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:48,680 Speaker 1: had rubarb in so many years, and your episode made 648 00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:51,000 Speaker 1: me very nostalgic. I want to check all the grocery 649 00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:52,640 Speaker 1: stores in my town tomorrow to see if any of 650 00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:54,279 Speaker 1: them have any late crop that I can dip in 651 00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:57,560 Speaker 1: sugar like I did when I was little. And a listener, 652 00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:00,080 Speaker 1: Heather from Minnesota root in about this as well and 653 00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:02,839 Speaker 1: said it's fairly common in her area, so maybe where 654 00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:08,120 Speaker 1: rubarb is a thing like not so hard to find? Sure? Yeah, yeah, 655 00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:10,520 Speaker 1: I never we never ate a row when I was 656 00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:14,080 Speaker 1: growing up. But that sounds sticky and amazing and delicious. 657 00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:19,480 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I um I did a massive answering of 658 00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:24,200 Speaker 1: all the emails today and so as I um put 659 00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:26,320 Speaker 1: these in, a lot of people wrote in about Ruebarb. 660 00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:29,480 Speaker 1: So I'm glad that Hey, no, no, but I used 661 00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:32,920 Speaker 1: to do this with strawberries. But you're already pretty sweet. 662 00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:38,440 Speaker 1: But I loved it. It's simple. Yeah, the texture of 663 00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:41,120 Speaker 1: the sugar gets a little bit of a crunch and 664 00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:47,880 Speaker 1: it gets a little litle clumpy. Yeah. Anyway, thanks to 665 00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:50,759 Speaker 1: all three of them for writing. 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