WEBVTT - Ep.524: Foundations - Does Anyone Really Need a New Bow?

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the Wired to Hunt Foundations podcast, your guide

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<v Speaker 1>to the fundamentals of better deer hunting, and now your host,

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<v Speaker 1>Tony Peterson. Welcome to the wire to Hunt Foundations podcast,

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<v Speaker 1>which is brought to you by First Light. Today's episode

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<v Speaker 1>is all about bows, but also the fundamental question of

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<v Speaker 1>whether an upgrade is really necessary for you or not.

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<v Speaker 1>In the not too distant past, I spent a decade

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<v Speaker 1>of my life as the equipment editor for bow Hunter

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<v Speaker 1>Magazine and bow Hunter TV. That gig was pretty amazing

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<v Speaker 1>from the perspective of getting new hunting gear and being

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<v Speaker 1>able to try it out in a wide variety of scenarios.

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<v Speaker 1>It was also an eye opener on many fronts, not

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<v Speaker 1>the least of which was setting up and hunting with

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<v Speaker 1>like six or seven brand new bows every year. As

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<v Speaker 1>you can imagine, that will shape your opinion on bow technology,

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<v Speaker 1>bow fit, and whether it's worth it the upgrade every

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<v Speaker 1>year or every couple of years, or only as often

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<v Speaker 1>as Haley's comments swings through the night sky and signals

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<v Speaker 1>that random cult leaders and their followers should drink the

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<v Speaker 1>poison cool aid and head off to Narnia or wherever

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<v Speaker 1>they go. This episode is all about new boats, whether

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<v Speaker 1>they are actually worth it or not. Before the Rhona

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<v Speaker 1>swept across the globe and change how we all gathered

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<v Speaker 1>together for various events. I did a lot of speaking

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<v Speaker 1>engagements and a lot of outdoor shows. As you can imagine,

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<v Speaker 1>my seminar topics nearly always centered on white tail hunting,

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<v Speaker 1>usually white tail hunting on public land or something similar.

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<v Speaker 1>When you've got an hour to speak, you learn pretty

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<v Speaker 1>quickly that about forty five minutes is a good run

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<v Speaker 1>time and for the actual seminar, because you'll need to

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<v Speaker 1>answer some questions afterwards. Oftentimes fifteen minutes for that isn't

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<v Speaker 1>really enough, but it does give you a glimpse into

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<v Speaker 1>what the crowd is thinking, and when you deal with

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of crowds, you get a pretty good glimpse

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<v Speaker 1>on what the average white tail hunter is actually thinking.

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<v Speaker 1>The questions that come up immediately after a deer seminar,

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<v Speaker 1>they almost always involve gear. People ask, you know, what

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<v Speaker 1>broadhead do you shoot, what's the best decoy, what's the

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<v Speaker 1>best dear scent? And of course the question that comes

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<v Speaker 1>up every single time, what bow do you shoot? Now

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<v Speaker 1>this is a loaded question, my friends, kind of like

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<v Speaker 1>are you a forward or chevy guy? Or what's the

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<v Speaker 1>best bird dog breed? To get? The thing about bows,

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<v Speaker 1>at least modern compound bows is they mostly all look

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<v Speaker 1>the same. They mostly all advertise pretty similar features and

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<v Speaker 1>performance specs. They mostly all carry a similar price tag,

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<v Speaker 1>which would make Fred Bear roll over in his grave.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's the thing, though, bow choice, It's highly subjective. Even

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<v Speaker 1>if you had unlimited funds and could buy whatever bow

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<v Speaker 1>you wanted every year, if you were real honest with yourself,

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<v Speaker 1>you'd probably brand hop. What I mean by that is

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<v Speaker 1>you probably wouldn't become a fanboy of anyone brand if

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<v Speaker 1>you could shoot the newly released flagship models set up

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<v Speaker 1>here specs every year. My mother in law, who is

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<v Speaker 1>partially a resident of this planet and partially a resident

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<v Speaker 1>of some alien world that is totally untethered from reality,

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<v Speaker 1>she likes to get hunt. Hell. My whole family is

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<v Speaker 1>obsessed with finding eggets and other cool rocks. We are

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<v Speaker 1>just rock hounds through and through, I guess. And while

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<v Speaker 1>we're walking a lake shore with sore necks, while staring

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<v Speaker 1>at the ground straining to see a hint of reddish

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<v Speaker 1>purplish translucents that might indicate an egg it. My mother

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<v Speaker 1>in law likes to say things like, you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>believe the aggets choose you. Maybe those pockets of water

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<v Speaker 1>or air that formed in magma over a billion years

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<v Speaker 1>ago and then filled in with silica and other minerals,

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<v Speaker 1>one layer at a time to eventually form these cool

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<v Speaker 1>rocks with concentric lines like topographic maps, and then took

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<v Speaker 1>a wild ride along the rise and follow the dinosaurs,

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<v Speaker 1>and then much later beneath the crushing weight of the

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<v Speaker 1>glaciers as they crawled their way down from Canada, only

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<v Speaker 1>to eventually melt and recede, leaving us with thousands of

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<v Speaker 1>lakes in a landscape greatly altered. Maybe they're just there

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<v Speaker 1>for us to find, and once in a while we do,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's just cool. They don't pick us. We picked them,

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<v Speaker 1>just like we do with our bows. Yet I get

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<v Speaker 1>where Mrs fruit Loop is coming from, because when you

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<v Speaker 1>shoot a lot of bows, it does feel like one

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<v Speaker 1>model will choose you. This is where the bow buying

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<v Speaker 1>process gets interesting. Since I don't know you, I'll give

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<v Speaker 1>you my preferences of the bows that tend to choose me.

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<v Speaker 1>They're almost always built with a very smooth draw cycle

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<v Speaker 1>a really solid back wall. They almost always measure about

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<v Speaker 1>thirty to thirty three inches between axles and are not

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<v Speaker 1>engineered for and foremost to generate blistering aerospeeds. They're usually

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<v Speaker 1>engineered for that great intangible that is shootability, where accuracy

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<v Speaker 1>and comfort are king. I'm a white tailed guy, mostly

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<v Speaker 1>as most of you are. So chasing high readings on

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<v Speaker 1>a chronograph. It's not really my thing. I don't care

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<v Speaker 1>how fast my bows are ever, or I'll put it

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<v Speaker 1>that in another way. I guess the bows that are

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<v Speaker 1>out there right now, hell, that have been built in

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<v Speaker 1>the last decade, they're all plenty fast. If they're well tuned,

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<v Speaker 1>they will put two holes in the biggest bucks, provided

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<v Speaker 1>you hold your pin where you're supposed to, and you

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<v Speaker 1>shoot decent arrows tipped with decent broadheads. I was only

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<v Speaker 1>going to brush over this speed thing, but I just

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<v Speaker 1>can't do it. I won't do it. It seems I've

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<v Speaker 1>triggered myself, so here it goes. Sometimes scratch that. Oftentimes,

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<v Speaker 1>to get those sexy ibo speeds that manufacturers can advertise,

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<v Speaker 1>they've got to build bows in a certain way. They

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<v Speaker 1>tend to shorten the brace high which is the link

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<v Speaker 1>between the throat of the grip and the string. The

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<v Speaker 1>shorter of the brace height, the more time your arrow

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<v Speaker 1>spends on the string getting pushed down range. There's also

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<v Speaker 1>a cam component to the whole thing, with what you'll

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<v Speaker 1>here described as aggressive cams. All this means for most

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<v Speaker 1>of us is that the bow will be more likely

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<v Speaker 1>to make that scary jump on you while you're aiming,

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<v Speaker 1>but not when you're ready to shoot. We all know

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<v Speaker 1>that butt pucker moment when you're calmly trying to float

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<v Speaker 1>your pin across the target, or worse, waiting for a

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<v Speaker 1>buck to step into your shooting lane, and then your

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<v Speaker 1>bow starts to go and your shoulder has to get

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<v Speaker 1>involved real quick. There's nothing that will take your mind

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<v Speaker 1>right out of the shot process faster, and that's something

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<v Speaker 1>that sticks with you. You don't forget that moment or

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<v Speaker 1>that feeling, and it will sit like a little devil

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<v Speaker 1>whispering in your ear whenever you draw, and especially when

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<v Speaker 1>you draw and have to hold for longer than it

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<v Speaker 1>usually takes you to get through your shot sequence. Personally,

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<v Speaker 1>there are enough tiny fallen angels whispering in my ear.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't need anymore Now, the good thing about boat

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<v Speaker 1>designs and the end years behind them is that they've

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<v Speaker 1>gotten way better since about like two thousand and seven,

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<v Speaker 1>when we really decided speed was the end all to

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<v Speaker 1>our bow needs. Bows today can achieve pretty impressive speeds

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<v Speaker 1>without ripping your shoulders out or making it miserable to

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<v Speaker 1>tune them. But there seems to be a sweet spot

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<v Speaker 1>aerospeeds that falls well below the marketing speak, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>still plenty high enough to do his job. I guess

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<v Speaker 1>you know, maybe the biggest word of caution here is

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<v Speaker 1>understand what's going on. If a manufacturer is really touting

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<v Speaker 1>the speed aspect of the bow you're interested in, make

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<v Speaker 1>sure to shoot that bow set up to your specs

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<v Speaker 1>plenty before you swipe your credit card. Now, at this

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<v Speaker 1>point it's probably prudent to talk about what makes a

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<v Speaker 1>bow comfortable for you, not just what I like. But

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<v Speaker 1>as I said earlier, we are strangers. So the best

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<v Speaker 1>way to figure it out is to do what you

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<v Speaker 1>can to shoot some different models. If you have a

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<v Speaker 1>good relationship with a pro shop and they'll set up

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<v Speaker 1>some bows for you, that's a huge plus. Use your release,

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<v Speaker 1>the release you use hunting and shoot them with your

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<v Speaker 1>eyes open, and then shoot them blank bail style at

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<v Speaker 1>close range with your eyes closed. Ask yourself, how does

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<v Speaker 1>it feel. Do you like the way the draw cycle

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<v Speaker 1>feels as it rolls into the valley and eventually hits

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<v Speaker 1>full draw. Is it a little squishy at full draw

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<v Speaker 1>or is it rock solid? How does the grip feel?

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<v Speaker 1>Is it bulky or slim which do you prefer? If

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<v Speaker 1>it is bulky and you don't like that, can you

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<v Speaker 1>take off the grip plates to make it slimmer. Now

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not an Olympic caliber shooter, so take this for

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<v Speaker 1>what it's worth. But I am pretty picky about grips.

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<v Speaker 1>The slimmer the better for me. I don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>make tons of hand contact with my grip. Ever, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't want anything sticky or well grippy on my grip.

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<v Speaker 1>To me, that part of the bow should touch just

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit of my hand during the actual execution

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<v Speaker 1>of the shot. And that applies to backyard shooting sessions

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<v Speaker 1>and the rare times when I've got a hundred fifty

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<v Speaker 1>buck walking on a trail by my stand. When you

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<v Speaker 1>shoot some different bows, you start to get a feel

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<v Speaker 1>for the draw cycle too, and for the grip. You'll

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<v Speaker 1>see what dead in hand really means, but only if

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<v Speaker 1>you shoot a bow that is truly dead in hand

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<v Speaker 1>against one that isn't. This is one of those things

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<v Speaker 1>that is easiest to get by experiencing it, and it matters.

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<v Speaker 1>Some of the bows out there seemed to almost aim

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<v Speaker 1>themselves and hold themselves on target, which is a pretty

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<v Speaker 1>amazing thing. And this is what I want. I want

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<v Speaker 1>to enjoy drawing and holding my bow and feel like

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<v Speaker 1>it settles in so that my pin goes where it's

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<v Speaker 1>supposed to. I don't know the magic behind the designs

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<v Speaker 1>of those bows, but I know when I get my

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<v Speaker 1>hands on one, it's no different from I don't shotguns

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<v Speaker 1>in my experience. If you hand me pretty much any shotgun,

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<v Speaker 1>I can probably wing shoot okay with it, but some

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<v Speaker 1>just jive with me. I've got a little weather b

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<v Speaker 1>O'Ryan over under twenty gauge that was mostly supposed to

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<v Speaker 1>be a grouse and woodcock gun, but over the years

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<v Speaker 1>has been with me for ducks and roosters and prairie

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<v Speaker 1>chickens and quail and even a few turkeys, just because

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<v Speaker 1>I love the feel of it and I shoot it

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<v Speaker 1>so well, comes to the shoulder quickly, settles in nicely,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's balanced just right. I'm sure your listeners who

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<v Speaker 1>are heavy into guns can relate, whether it is a

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<v Speaker 1>shotgun of your own or maybe your favorite deer rifle.

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<v Speaker 1>The thing is that little twenty gage wouldn't cut it

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<v Speaker 1>for everyone. There are plenty of people out there who

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<v Speaker 1>would not shoot it that well and wouldn't appreciate the

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<v Speaker 1>field because it didn't work for them the way it

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<v Speaker 1>works for me. They need to find their own gun,

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<v Speaker 1>just like we need to find our own bows. Your

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<v Speaker 1>process it's definitely gonna be different than mine. Hell, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>you love speed bows. Maybe you want to use one

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<v Speaker 1>pin for every shot from five yards to fifty, or

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<v Speaker 1>maybe you hate having big pin gaps, so you want

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<v Speaker 1>blistering speeds and it's your number one priority. Or maybe

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<v Speaker 1>you want comfort, but you have a different definition than

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<v Speaker 1>I do. Either way, if you're even remotely into sitting

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<v Speaker 1>a new rig, do yourself a favor. Forget your brand loyalty.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh scratch that tamp down your brand loyalty. Cover up

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<v Speaker 1>that white tattoo on your shoulder, Scratch that Matthew's decal

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<v Speaker 1>off your truck. Do whatever, do whatever you have to

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<v Speaker 1>do to be somewhat objective, because here's the thing. The

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<v Speaker 1>best bow for you right now might not be made

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<v Speaker 1>by the company that made your last best bow. And

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not saying brand loyalty isn't important, especially if you're

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<v Speaker 1>concerned with customer service issues and some of the extras

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<v Speaker 1>that go into making a big purchase like this. So

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not advocating a switch just for the sake of it.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just saying, be open to the reality that a

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<v Speaker 1>switch might be a good thing for you. And my

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<v Speaker 1>time at bohn R magazine taught me that every bow

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<v Speaker 1>manufacturer out there has the potential to make an amazing bow,

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<v Speaker 1>but from year to year, the field might change, or

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<v Speaker 1>the focus of the flagship design might change. That means

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<v Speaker 1>the bow brand that I absolutely love last year just

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<v Speaker 1>might not do it for me this year. This has

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<v Speaker 1>happened to me a lot, and it has opened my eyes.

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<v Speaker 1>Individual models matter, from brand to brand, and from year

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<v Speaker 1>to year. It's easy to get caught up in the

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<v Speaker 1>fanboy mentality, but maybe not the best idea all of

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<v Speaker 1>the time. And of course, through this whole rambling nonsense,

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<v Speaker 1>the same thing keeps bubbling to the surface. You gotta

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<v Speaker 1>do some work to find out what works for you.

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<v Speaker 1>And bow choice is important because that is the tool

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<v Speaker 1>that we use to send sharp sticks through the air

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<v Speaker 1>and hopefully deliver a merciful death to deer another game,

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<v Speaker 1>a quick five to ten second death that results in

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<v Speaker 1>no suffering and short, super sweet blood trails. That matters

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<v Speaker 1>a lot. It also brings us around to the original question,

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<v Speaker 1>the whole point of this podcast, which is do you

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<v Speaker 1>really need a new bowl? Probably not, but that depends

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<v Speaker 1>on how much you like your current rig. If you're

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<v Speaker 1>in the market for a new one, is it just

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<v Speaker 1>because you can't stand not spending an extra so or

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<v Speaker 1>is it because you're not that happy with your current bow?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you feel like you could be shooting better? What's

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<v Speaker 1>your confidence level like at every range, but especially the

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<v Speaker 1>far end of what you consider your effective range? That's important.

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<v Speaker 1>Have you had some tuning issues that you just don't

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<v Speaker 1>feel are fully resolved, or once they are resolved, keep

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<v Speaker 1>coming back around after another couple hundred shots. Do you

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<v Speaker 1>think your bow is too slow or too loud? Or

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<v Speaker 1>did you shoot next to a buddy you as the

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<v Speaker 1>latest and greatest and get just a bit jealous. Has

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<v Speaker 1>it been one year or ten since you bought your

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<v Speaker 1>last bow. These are all questions worth asking yourself, but

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<v Speaker 1>I think the most important is are you enjoying shooting

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<v Speaker 1>your current bow? Because if you have fun, it's usually

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<v Speaker 1>because the bow is comfortable and it puts the arrows

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<v Speaker 1>where they're supposed to go. Enjoyment matters in a few

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<v Speaker 1>different other ways. To first off, if you're having fun,

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<v Speaker 1>it means the bow is working the way you'd like

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<v Speaker 1>it to. It also means that you probably shoot more,

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<v Speaker 1>which is huge. If you're not enjoying shooting your bow

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<v Speaker 1>for whatever reason, but usually because you're not as accurate

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<v Speaker 1>with it as you'd like to be, then that's a

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<v Speaker 1>red flag. There's something going on. That might be a

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<v Speaker 1>simple tuning fix, or it might mean it's time to

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<v Speaker 1>go shopping. Maybe you've gone a little stale in your

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<v Speaker 1>practice regimen because you know your current bow is good

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<v Speaker 1>at twenty thirty maybe forty yards, but you'd like to

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<v Speaker 1>stretch that out and do some long distance shooting. Now

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<v Speaker 1>this is a topic for a different podcast, but I

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<v Speaker 1>think practicing at extended ranges it's mooe importante, Mi amigoes.

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<v Speaker 1>Not only is it fun, but it's telling. It will

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<v Speaker 1>highlight shooting form issues, tuning problems, and has the potential

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<v Speaker 1>to give you loads of confidence, which is worth a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>It'll make shooting sessions more enjoyable and helps to turn

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<v Speaker 1>those close shots that you'll actually take on deer into

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<v Speaker 1>much easier propositions. If you can shoot a paper plate

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<v Speaker 1>group at I don't know, eighty yards, you don't have

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<v Speaker 1>much of a reason to miss a white tail's vital

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<v Speaker 1>at twenty. It feels that way too if you happen

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<v Speaker 1>to practice a lot of extended ranges, so maybe a

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<v Speaker 1>new bow would open up that world to you. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>you've got a lot to think about, but also a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of time. If you're kicking around the idea of

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<v Speaker 1>a new bow, this is a great time of year

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<v Speaker 1>to start your research. It's a great time to head

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<v Speaker 1>to the pro shop to gauge how serious you really are.

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<v Speaker 1>It might lead to new purchase or make you realize

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<v Speaker 1>you're good enough with your current rig. Either way, if

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<v Speaker 1>you've got to itch to explore the possibility, scratch it now,

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<v Speaker 1>well before the serious summertime practice sessions kick off and

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<v Speaker 1>your local pro shop turns into a madhouse with the

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<v Speaker 1>chaos of the preseason, and be sure to tune in

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<v Speaker 1>next week as I shift gears to a topic that

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<v Speaker 1>every one of us has devoted some thought too over

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<v Speaker 1>the years, buying deer ground. Even if you think you

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<v Speaker 1>could never afford a single acre of recreational property, I

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<v Speaker 1>think you should give it a listen because that was

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<v Speaker 1>the camp I was in for a long time before

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<v Speaker 1>I got out of it without going totally broke, which

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<v Speaker 1>is what I'm going to talk about next week. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's it for this week, my friends. I'm Tony Peterson

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<v Speaker 1>and this has been the Wire to Hunt Foundations podcast,

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