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Speaker 1: Welcome to Monday's indition a big blue kig off live

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Speaker 1: here on giants dot com. He's Paul Latino. I'm Lance Medal.

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Speaker 1: With you for the next sixty minutes. To zero, one, five,

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Speaker 1: one three is the telephone number. You could also interact

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Speaker 1: with us on Twitter hashtag Giants Chat. We're gonna get

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Speaker 1: into a number of transactions that the Giants had taken

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Speaker 1: place over the last few days. They officially announced the

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Speaker 1: signing of two more draft picks, as well as resigning

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Speaker 1: defensive lineman John Jenkins. Will also get into some of

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Speaker 1: the reports I'm sure that you've heard with respect to

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Speaker 1: a particular offensive lineman who is a free agent. But

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Speaker 1: nothing is official with respect to the Giants, So a

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Speaker 1: lot to tackle over the next hour. We'll get to

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Speaker 1: your phone calls. We'll get to your tweets first. In

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Speaker 1: terms of the official transactions, the Giants have signed two

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Speaker 1: more of their draft picks. They have signed Darius lad In,

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Speaker 1: the wide receiver out of Auburn, Chris laid In, the

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Speaker 1: defensive lineman out of Syracuse. So those are official, and

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Speaker 1: they're bringing back defensive lineman John Jenkins, who did not

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Speaker 1: see much action with the Giants last year, but was

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Speaker 1: on the roster. And at this point, Paul, you've got

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Speaker 1: ninety guys on the roster. They're looking to bring in

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Speaker 1: as much competition is possible, and you have a player

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Speaker 1: who's familiar with James Betcher's scheme because he's been here,

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Speaker 1: and we'll see whether or not he could try to

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Speaker 1: solidify a roster spot. But that defensive line position, keep

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Speaker 1: in mind, is gaining a lot of value between free agency,

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Speaker 1: between the draft. This is gonna be some competition. I

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Speaker 1: think it's gonna be very interesting to see the roles

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Speaker 1: position themselves in the driver's seat once we get to

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Speaker 1: the harder training camp here. Well, I mean, like we've

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Speaker 1: talked about, there are ninety spots available as this team

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Speaker 1: goes through the summer and figures out and sorts through

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Speaker 1: exactly who's going to make the team. I get the

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Speaker 1: fact that Dave Gedtlman has decided, and he had said

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Speaker 1: earlier in the year, by the way, he was not

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Speaker 1: going to fill up all ninety right away. Correct, Remember

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Speaker 1: that that was before they signed some undrafted free agency right,

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Speaker 1: That pretty clear, right, So I don't know what his

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Speaker 1: fill it up until then. I don't know. What I

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Speaker 1: do know is this, he does appear to have a

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Speaker 1: preference to have some flexibility there, I don't think. And

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Speaker 1: somebody would say, well why, Well here's why, because you

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Speaker 1: do have to give some money to every guy that

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Speaker 1: you signed. Okay, the giants are gonna be a great

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Speaker 1: salary camp position next year, but not necessarily this year.

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Speaker 1: And when you start signing these guys now, even though

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Speaker 1: it's token change in a lot of instances, a lot

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Speaker 1: of these guys are are signing for minimals, You still

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Speaker 1: in some cases are giving them small nickel and dimes

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Speaker 1: signing bonuses. Well, those things add up. Okay, if you

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Speaker 1: I don't know, however much nickels and dimes signing bonuses

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Speaker 1: just to sign the deal and come on too, U ninety, Well,

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Speaker 1: guess what, it's not just a throwaway. If you get

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Speaker 1: which again they will accumulate and they will count against

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Speaker 1: your cap. So I think Gentleman is being very discerning

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Speaker 1: in how many guys he wants to sign, and how

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Speaker 1: on this depth chart. And I think philosophically, I'm on

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Speaker 1: not had a specific conversation regarding this topic, but I'm

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Speaker 1: pretty sure that's where he's going right now. I agree

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Speaker 1: with you. I think two things related to that, Paul.

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Speaker 1: Another comment that Dave Gentleman, remember, brought up in his

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Speaker 1: So I think it's the same philosophy that's in alignment

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Speaker 1: To your point, you need to have some flexibility within

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Speaker 1: the cap. So I think that's part of the logic

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Speaker 1: to why there's not necessarily an overwhelming urgency to fill

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Speaker 1: Which brings us to which I'm sure a lot of

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Speaker 1: this once again, it's completely unofficial, no announcement whatsoever by

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Speaker 1: the Giants, but we're not naive. We're aware of the

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Speaker 1: reports that are out there, and Mike Remers, agent a

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Speaker 1: veteran offensive lineman, went on Twitter over the weekend and

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Speaker 1: had mentioned that his client, as well as the Giants,

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Speaker 1: have a greed and principle to a deal, but once again,

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Speaker 1: nothing official, nothing signed. If anything does take place, the

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Speaker 1: expect to revisit the Ramor situation and he was on

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Speaker 1: on paper would then be the Giant's best starting five

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Speaker 1: He is an upgrade. He is not a Pro Bowl

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Speaker 1: there's gonna be a competition there, but you would think

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Speaker 1: Any update on where that stands. Dave Gentleman's response, Well,

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Speaker 1: Follow up question was are you optimistic that that could happen?

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Speaker 1: Gentleman does want to win games this season. Now, we

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Speaker 1: Connolly is. Connolly seems to be more of a of

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Speaker 1: of Covica Mitchell kind of guy. If you remember when

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Speaker 1: Covica Mitchell got to the Giants, Mitchell wasn't a great

431
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Speaker 1: coverage guy. He also wasn't a great sideline to sideline guy.

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Speaker 1: But what Covica Mitchell did extremely well was diagnosed of

433
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Speaker 1: play and he usually was in the right gap at

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Speaker 1: the right time. And he was also very good at

435
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Speaker 1: attacking forward and making plays in the crease or in

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Speaker 1: the backfield. They used him very often on the blitz too.

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Speaker 1: So I love it. And maybe maybe that's where Connolly's niches.

438
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Speaker 1: Maybe he's more than that. We're just gonna have to see.

439
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Speaker 1: I think he's gonna show it. I mean, you know,

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Speaker 1: training camp, will will we'll we'll show that. The one

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Speaker 1: last thing I would leave with you, guys, it's always

442
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Speaker 1: great talking with you, is you know the whole the

443
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Speaker 1: whole thought of you know, the plan and Gettleman doesn't

444
00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:11,080
Speaker 1: have a plan, and Giants don't have a plan, and

445
00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:13,639
Speaker 1: you know, and and and and all the kind of

446
00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:15,879
Speaker 1: paul as you say, which I think is accurate, all

447
00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:18,480
Speaker 1: the clickbait sort of stuff that's so easy to talk about.

448
00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:20,280
Speaker 1: I think one of the things this year that was

449
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Speaker 1: really under the radar is the trade that they made

450
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Speaker 1: for o Vie for the guard that that they got

451
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Speaker 1: from Cleveland is and I think, you know, you really

452
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Speaker 1: have to sit there and say, hey, look if you

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Speaker 1: rank Ovie and I and I was a fan of

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Speaker 1: his when he was on the field, and he was

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Speaker 1: you know, I would say good, not not great. But

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Speaker 1: the bottom line is that guard is higher rated and

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Speaker 1: more impactful um on a team than than Ov was

458
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Speaker 1: and and you know might have been a top fifteen,

459
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Speaker 1: twenty guy. This guy is a top five, top ten guard.

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Speaker 1: And then and more importantly is what he does for

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Speaker 1: your best play are on the field. You know that

462
00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:04,639
Speaker 1: people lose the sense in football. We get all into

463
00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:08,040
Speaker 1: fantasy football and every all these individuals. It's not about

464
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Speaker 1: an individual sport. It's what you can do for other players.

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Speaker 1: And so to bring in a guard like him and

466
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Speaker 1: expect to step up from Hernandez, this is the I

467
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Speaker 1: look at our two guards and I'm finally back to

468
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Speaker 1: Snee and Soyber, you know, I'm back to where we

469
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Speaker 1: could pull our guards and actually expect or our guards

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Speaker 1: to be, you know, to be tough. And you you're

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Speaker 1: hearing that, and and and the and the bottom line

472
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Speaker 1: is we're handing it off to a running back now

473
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Speaker 1: who is If that defense makes one mistake, he's gone.

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Speaker 1: They've got to fill their gaps perfectly. He's gonna make

475
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Speaker 1: the first defender miss and then all they need is

476
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Speaker 1: one mistake and and that guy takes it to the house.

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Speaker 1: So I just would like to you know, that to

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Speaker 1: me for for for them to get all sorts of

479
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Speaker 1: you know, for his gentlemen, all the negativity they need

480
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Speaker 1: to be able to look at that move and say

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Speaker 1: that was a great trade on its own. I'd love

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Speaker 1: to get you guys comments and I'll take it off

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Speaker 1: their Thanks so much the phone call. Thanks so much,

484
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Speaker 1: awayne name. Well, it's consider the fact that Zeitler should

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Speaker 1: only be in the middle of his career. This is

486
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Speaker 1: a guy who barely turned thirty, right, yeah, So I

487
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Speaker 1: mean that's not just for now. Zeitler should be part

488
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Speaker 1: of this offensive line for several years to god a

489
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Speaker 1: rental for just this season, which which which is really

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Speaker 1: what makes this a valuable deal, because he's not just

491
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Speaker 1: a stop gap guy. I mean, think about this for

492
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Speaker 1: just a second. Pully's watch seven. Pulley is let's see

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Speaker 1: here on my laundry list of players that I'm looking through,

494
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Speaker 1: Pulley is six. Okay, Hlapio twenty Okay, So whoever wins there,

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Speaker 1: that's a sub Zeitler isn't even thirty. I thought he

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Speaker 1: might have edged there, okay, Paul Park okay. Hernandez is

497
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Speaker 1: second year pro. Okay, Ramors is a shade under thirty one.

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Speaker 1: I believe right, Ramors is thirty. He just turned thirty

499
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Speaker 1: in April. Okay, so it's not unthinkable to think that

500
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Speaker 1: this offensive line outside of Solder and we don't know.

501
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Speaker 1: I mean, he's he is the grandfather of of the

502
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Speaker 1: of the starting line. And I know people bust on

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Speaker 1: my horns when I say that. I use that respectfully

504
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Speaker 1: and and and with thoughts of affinity. When I call

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Speaker 1: a guy a grandfather, he's like the grandfather of the

506
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Speaker 1: line because he truly is the gray beer. He's got

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Speaker 1: the most. The eldest statesman is what I've been told

508
00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:41,080
Speaker 1: to call some of these old guys. More politically correct. Fine, whatever,

509
00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:45,800
Speaker 1: bottom line is, Uh, he's the guy who was more

510
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Speaker 1: advanced in age than the rest of the line. It's

511
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Speaker 1: not unthinkable to think that this line could be together

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Speaker 1: for the next three years as a fivesome, right possible? Well,

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Speaker 1: to me, it's not so much age, Paul, It's about

514
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Speaker 1: how many years have they been in the league, because

515
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Speaker 1: wear and tear, especially for an offensive lineman, is much

516
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Speaker 1: more important to weigh than necessarily eight Let's see Hernandez young,

517
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Speaker 1: fully young and also not not got a lot of

518
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Speaker 1: wear and tear on it. Zeisler has been durable, Zitler.

519
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:22,720
Speaker 1: We're talking at eight seasons, okay, and durable. Okays. Again,

520
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:25,080
Speaker 1: we got to see what the back situation is and

521
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:29,000
Speaker 1: actually soldiers been dawn durable during his career. I mean,

522
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:32,960
Speaker 1: this is why if you're a Giants fan, not only

523
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:35,320
Speaker 1: should you be excited about how much better this team

524
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 1: is in two thousand and nineteen, you should be saying,

525
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:41,320
Speaker 1: my goodness, this offensive line. And of course there's a

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Speaker 1: draft coming up in April of two thousand twenty, and

527
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Speaker 1: don't be shocked if they go and get another offensive

528
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Speaker 1: lineman in that draft in April at least they've got

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Speaker 1: the building blocks now to say moving forward, they've got

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Speaker 1: a functional offensive line that they shouldn't be sweating bullets

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Speaker 1: over during the course of the off season, which they

532
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:04,680
Speaker 1: have done since the two thousand eleven Super Bowl year.

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Speaker 1: That to me is a huge load off of the

534
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Speaker 1: minds of the front office. That that's like, say, guys,

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Speaker 1: clear out all the aspirin in the in the in

536
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Speaker 1: the closet. Relax a little bit. We now have the

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00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:24,640
Speaker 1: semblance of a foundation that you could build something on.

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00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:29,439
Speaker 1: That's why it's so important. We always talk about the

539
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:31,760
Speaker 1: offensive line sets the tone for the rest of the team.

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Speaker 1: I think Giants fans know that firsthand over the last

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Speaker 1: few years. So the Giants went out, they addressed that

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Speaker 1: through free agency, specifically through trades. Kevin Zeitler, Now getting

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Speaker 1: back to the question at the last caller posed in

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Speaker 1: terms of you know what Vernon provided the team versus Zeitler,

545
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Speaker 1: I would say, this defensive lineman can help players around them.

546
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Speaker 1: And I'm not saying that the caller was heading in

547
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Speaker 1: the direction where he was saying that defensive players don't

548
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:00,720
Speaker 1: help each other. But you have a really good pass

549
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 1: rusher he draws double teams, he draws attention, it's gonna

550
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 1: free things up for the rest of the team. You

551
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:08,480
Speaker 1: have a nose tackle that collapses the pocket, it's gonna

552
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 1: now loosen things up off the edge for the pass rushers.

553
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:15,320
Speaker 1: So that can go hand in hand too. But if

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00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 1: you were to way, well, they're going in a younger

555
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:20,480
Speaker 1: direction on the defensive front to begin with, they only

556
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 1: had thirty sacks last season as a team. If you

557
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:26,960
Speaker 1: remove Vernon from the equation, you're looking to groom some

558
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 1: young guys and you're hoping the conglomeration of all these

559
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 1: young guys leads to pressure opportunities. Then yes, I could

560
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 1: certainly see it the way of Zeitler could very well

561
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 1: have more of a significant impact from an individual standpoint

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Speaker 1: then maybe Vernon if he was still on the team,

563
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Speaker 1: because of what Zeitler could do for past protection, run protection,

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Speaker 1: and the overall play of the offensive line. So I

565
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Speaker 1: don't think that's a far stretch. But all I'm saying

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Speaker 1: is is there are situations, Paul where defensive lineman their

567
00:29:57,120 --> 00:30:00,520
Speaker 1: presence doesn't just help themselves, but at also helps the

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Speaker 1: guys around them. And we've seen that. And I could

569
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Speaker 1: list a number of guys, for example, like an Aaron Donald.

570
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:07,840
Speaker 1: Aaron Donald helps everybody else on the defensive front for

571
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Speaker 1: the Rams, no doubt Von Miller helps everybody else out

572
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 1: who's in the mix of the Broncos defense. What the

573
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Speaker 1: Giants have done this offseason is replaced Vernon and Barwin

574
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Speaker 1: with x men and Golden. Okay, that's the two for

575
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 1: two swap that you've seen. Now, they're also counting on

576
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:34,240
Speaker 1: improvement out of Lorenzo Carter that who makes srines. Yeah,

577
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Speaker 1: that's what I said. It's more of like a group

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Speaker 1: effort type. I they at Golden, who has had double

579
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Speaker 1: digit sacks in his career. It's not as if that's unknown.

580
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Speaker 1: But the question with Golden is take a step forward

581
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Speaker 1: from the torn A c L. And James Betcher even

582
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Speaker 1: admitted that because James Betcher, by the way, when he

583
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Speaker 1: spoke to the media, he actually said that Marcus Golden

584
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Speaker 1: and I'm paraphrasing, it could be probably the most underrated

585
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Speaker 1: addition to this roster because people forget he was one

586
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 1: of the best pass rushers in the NFL before the

587
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 1: torn A c L, which I think there's some validity

588
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 1: have sacks in two thousand sixteen. But it's all about

589
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:10,960
Speaker 1: to your point, what have you done for me lately?

590
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 1: It's it's just show me situation. It really is absolutely

591
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 1: big blue kickoff Live presented by Corp's Light. As we

592
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Speaker 1: move along here, taking your phone calls at two zero

593
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 1: nine four or five one three. Lenn Is in Columbia, Maryland. Len,

594
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 1: what's happening, hey, guys? How you're doing good? Good? Hey, Paul?

595
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 1: Just just a quick one. I've got a signed tittle

596
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 1: jersey hanging in my basement, No kidding, every time I

597
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:39,600
Speaker 1: walked by a great memories from that era good man,

598
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:44,040
Speaker 1: by the way, I take it, you met him? Yes?

599
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 1: Did you? Did you meet him? Or did you get

600
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 1: that from somebody? Could have got it from the No, No,

601
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 1: I got that from somebody Alright. I met Why a

602
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 1: many many times over before before you know, obviously he

603
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 1: fell into some very bad health there at the end.

604
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 1: Uh and and Why also said it was the moment

605
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 1: of his life, by the way, But Len, what what

606
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:09,760
Speaker 1: a gentleman's gentleman? I mean, I can't tell you enough,

607
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 1: really really nice, just humble, humble man who for all

608
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:18,960
Speaker 1: that he did in an era that just did not

609
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 1: see that type of explosive passing attack. Uh, just a

610
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 1: very humble guy who was like everybody's favorite great grandpa,

611
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, he's just a really really good guy.

612
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:32,400
Speaker 1: So I just I throw that out there just to

613
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:36,560
Speaker 1: make you feel even better about the jersey. The first

614
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 1: video game in my mind was Watching Title. I mean

615
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:43,040
Speaker 1: that was really you know, that was really something I got.

616
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 1: I got a local guy here who's a member of

617
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 1: Bilia fella Um Tittle took a liking to him from

618
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 1: some of the memorabilia shows and the last ten years

619
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Speaker 1: of Y's life. This guy in Laurel, Maryland, every runs

620
00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 1: a small shop, became a memorable your guy. He'd go

621
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Speaker 1: to California and get signings. Being most signed picture of

622
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 1: yat loves to sign him was the one, you know,

623
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Speaker 1: sixty picture of him on his knees with the bloody

624
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 1: head and so forth. But that helmets in the Hall

625
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:18,120
Speaker 1: of Fame Land, Yeah, I took a picture of it.

626
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:20,720
Speaker 1: When I went out to Straight Hand's All of Fame ceremony,

627
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:24,560
Speaker 1: I took a picture of the broken Tittle helmet. I

628
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 1: believe I posted it that week. I'm sure I have

629
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Speaker 1: it somewhere in my computer archives and It's amazing that

630
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 1: his head didn't break worse than that helmet because it

631
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:38,960
Speaker 1: was a mess. Yeah yeah, yeah, Hey to two quick points. Great,

632
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:46,600
Speaker 1: great great talk, Polk, great great memories. Um the quarterback situation, UM,

633
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 1: you know, I'm positive about it and I think we're

634
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:51,560
Speaker 1: in pretty good shape here going into the season. What

635
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:54,800
Speaker 1: what do you think the real probability is is that

636
00:33:55,920 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 1: uh September a opening game, Insurns is the number two

637
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:05,560
Speaker 1: quarterback and gets the jersey for that game. He will

638
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:07,479
Speaker 1: have been with the team for four and a half months.

639
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:12,359
Speaker 1: I mean he will at that point. Um, I see

640
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 1: no reason to believe why he wouldn't be. Well. I

641
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 1: think it's backup guy at that point. I think it's

642
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:19,560
Speaker 1: fifty fifty. And the reason why I would say this

643
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:21,800
Speaker 1: is my personal opinion. I go back to what Schirmer's

644
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:24,200
Speaker 1: emphasized since he took over as the head coach last year,

645
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:27,239
Speaker 1: and he said he feels comfortable having a veteran quarterback

646
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:30,200
Speaker 1: in the backup position because he can go into a

647
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:32,680
Speaker 1: game with the fewest amount of reps during the week

648
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 1: and still perform at a high level because he knows

649
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:38,480
Speaker 1: the offense if they feel Daniel Jones picks up things

650
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:41,320
Speaker 1: to your point over the course of these next few months,

651
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 1: and they see him in the preseason and he has

652
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:45,839
Speaker 1: a good feel and they feel that's enough, then yes,

653
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:47,759
Speaker 1: I would say there's a good chance he could be

654
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:50,560
Speaker 1: the backup. But if there's still a little iffy and

655
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 1: they feel a veteran would know it better, like an

656
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:55,360
Speaker 1: Alex Tanny, then no, it would not surprise me if

657
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 1: Tanny is still about. That's asking a lot from Jones

658
00:34:58,000 --> 00:34:59,840
Speaker 1: in a very short amount of time, And to be

659
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,719
Speaker 1: honest with your land, remember, he's not getting any game experience.

660
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 1: It's only bookwork and it's practice work. He'll get some

661
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:10,840
Speaker 1: preseason snaps, but I just think that's too much to ask.

662
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:13,359
Speaker 1: And quite frankly, if the Giants are oh and oh

663
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:17,239
Speaker 1: obviously going into the opening game, it just seems to

664
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 1: me that you've got to give yourself the best chance

665
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:23,840
Speaker 1: to win on that given Sunday. If something happens to Manning,

666
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:26,960
Speaker 1: and I have to believe that Sherman would feel more

667
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 1: comfortable with a veteran having to come in and potentially

668
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:34,360
Speaker 1: squeak out of victory, which at that point in the

669
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:37,960
Speaker 1: season will still be very, very important because you won't know,

670
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 1: you won't know where the standings. You know what I'm saying.

671
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:44,440
Speaker 1: I mean, do you really want Daniel Jones have to

672
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 1: come off the bench in Dallas? And you know, you

673
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:51,880
Speaker 1: know I can't pull this back in my memory. Um uh,

674
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 1: the four guys from last year, did they dress that

675
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:59,240
Speaker 1: first weekend? Do you know you're talking about the challenging

676
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:01,800
Speaker 1: and anything you said? Don't know here recall whether or

677
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:04,720
Speaker 1: not those four hot shot quarterbacks from last year actually

678
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 1: got a uniform in week one? Well, they didn't. Any

679
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:09,799
Speaker 1: of them started. I don't think any of them started. Well,

680
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 1: I lost you. Wait, I lost you in terms of four.

681
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:14,160
Speaker 1: You talk about four quarterbacks because they only had three

682
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 1: on them. He's talking about the NFL rookie. Okay, I'm sorry,

683
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:23,920
Speaker 1: Donald m that first weekend? I can't that's a no.

684
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:27,279
Speaker 1: It's a good question. Yes, I'm trying to think. I

685
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 1: want to say Rosen, believe I think because he was

686
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 1: the backup Bradford. I think Rosen And I'll look that

687
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:36,359
Speaker 1: up because it's a good question, and if I don't

688
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:38,840
Speaker 1: give you the specific answer today, Lenn, I'll look to

689
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:40,880
Speaker 1: bring it back on tomorrow show because it is a

690
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:45,120
Speaker 1: very interesting question off the top of my head. Well, well,

691
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:48,759
Speaker 1: well be before well but Len, before you continue, Leni Lynn,

692
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:50,920
Speaker 1: before before you continue, though, I just want to I

693
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 1: just want to respond initially at least to your question,

694
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 1: and then and then I'll look up this psifics. Just

695
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:58,920
Speaker 1: just real quickly. Josh Rosen I believe had a uniform

696
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:01,400
Speaker 1: week one because like I said, he was the backup

697
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:06,480
Speaker 1: to Sam Bradford. Sam Donald, I believe Donald started, he

698
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:10,320
Speaker 1: started against the light and right, so Donald Donald absolutely

699
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 1: had a uniform. Josh Allen and the Buffalo Bills that

700
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:17,760
Speaker 1: I would have to look up. And then the fourth

701
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 1: one is Baker Mayfield, and Baker was the backup to

702
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:23,080
Speaker 1: Tyrod Taylor, so Baker had a uniform. So there's a

703
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:26,440
Speaker 1: chance all four indeed to your question how the uniform,

704
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 1: but will confirm just to get the specifics out there. Yeah, okay, yeah, quick,

705
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 1: thank you, quick. Quick question on the offensive tackle actually coming.

706
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:37,759
Speaker 1: You know, I don't think we're through with the offensive line.

707
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not not talking about starter. Josh Allen confirmed,

708
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 1: but I think there's um even an offensive tackle. I mean,

709
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 1: I mean right tackle right now. The depth Shart's got

710
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:52,279
Speaker 1: five guys there Um, you know she count you know,

711
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 1: Big George and the kid they brought in from Missouri,

712
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 1: the undrafted free agent who played right tackle for three

713
00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 1: years in college. M Haleck and Wheeler and Ims. You know,

714
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 1: if the rumor is correct, Um, we got five guys

715
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:10,719
Speaker 1: on the right side. We were almost maybe looking for

716
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:14,719
Speaker 1: a swing tackle. You know, I'm not sure any of

717
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:17,359
Speaker 1: those guys can really handle the left side. I really

718
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 1: don't think they're through with the offense. Ms has played

719
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 1: left side. Len Remors if that deal is official, Remors

720
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 1: has experience on the left side in his career. He

721
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:29,879
Speaker 1: took over from Michael Or when Michael Or got hurt,

722
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:32,279
Speaker 1: so he can play both. All right, let me let

723
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:34,359
Speaker 1: me just come in and then, you know, thanks thanks

724
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:36,920
Speaker 1: for taking my call. You know, just because the guys

725
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:39,479
Speaker 1: got has played out there, doesn't mean he could play

726
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:43,279
Speaker 1: out there, if you follow my thinking, I mean he

727
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:45,719
Speaker 1: played out there that he didn't play out there, So

728
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:48,000
Speaker 1: you'd rather just have an unknown guy. I'd rather have

729
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:49,799
Speaker 1: a guy that has a few reps there. Make me

730
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:55,440
Speaker 1: feel a little bit better, No, yeah, for sure. Okay, alright, guys,

731
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 1: thanks for taking my call. Appreciate the vocal. Thank you

732
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:03,719
Speaker 1: thank you. I mean, the Giants have made tremendous strides

733
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 1: over the last sixteen months trying to rebuild the starting

734
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:12,760
Speaker 1: offensive line. You can't build rome in a day, Len,

735
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:16,440
Speaker 1: I appreciate the fact that you'd like to have a

736
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:21,480
Speaker 1: nine offensive line members squad, all nice and tidy and

737
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:26,359
Speaker 1: perfect and saying, wow, I love all nine of these guys, Len,

738
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:29,240
Speaker 1: you're asking for a lot. Okay, right now, it looks

739
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:32,360
Speaker 1: like it looks like with the addition of Rammers, they'll

740
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 1: have the best starting five since the Super Bowl season

741
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:38,480
Speaker 1: of two thousand and eleven. That should put a smile

742
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:42,879
Speaker 1: on your face. Do you need backups? Absolutely, you do.

743
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:44,839
Speaker 1: We talked the other day. I think on our show.

744
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:46,799
Speaker 1: Maybe it was me and Jeff for me and uh

745
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 1: and John. You know, if you're gonna keep nine, let's

746
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:52,760
Speaker 1: say it's gonna be at least eight, but probably nine

747
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 1: offensive linemen. The loser of the center battle gets one

748
00:39:56,760 --> 00:40:03,719
Speaker 1: backup spot that leaves to reopen. Okay, Um, does Big

749
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:06,839
Speaker 1: George get one of them? I don't know. He's still

750
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:11,439
Speaker 1: somewhat developmental of a player. I think he's probably more

751
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:17,080
Speaker 1: likely practice squad, but maybe he gets you can't write Okay,

752
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:20,640
Speaker 1: Wheeler is going to get a spot, so that really

753
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:23,359
Speaker 1: you know, if you give Wheeler spot and you give

754
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:26,279
Speaker 1: the loser of the center battle of spot, those are

755
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:29,919
Speaker 1: two of your four backups. So now you still have

756
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:36,320
Speaker 1: potentially two spots left for backup offensive lineman. Any thoughts

757
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:40,440
Speaker 1: you mean in terms that that's on the roster right now,

758
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:43,839
Speaker 1: in terms of who's on the ninety now, who would

759
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:45,960
Speaker 1: be your other two backup offensive lineman if you have

760
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 1: to make a bad Well, the fact that Halleck was

761
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:50,400
Speaker 1: on the roster last year. I think he's in the

762
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:53,920
Speaker 1: conversation because he at least has experience with the coaching staff,

763
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:56,240
Speaker 1: and he's got into a game last year, if remember,

764
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:58,439
Speaker 1: at the tail end of the season, So he would

765
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:01,600
Speaker 1: be somebody that I would at least throw out there.

766
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 1: All right, I'll get over. I'm gonna take and take

767
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:07,840
Speaker 1: a shot here and go. Nick Gates from Nebraska, who

768
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:11,600
Speaker 1: I happen to like, and I think he's an interior guy.

769
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:14,279
Speaker 1: He's not a tackle, he's a guard. But I like

770
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:16,759
Speaker 1: his fight. I know they like his fight. He was

771
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:19,799
Speaker 1: a developmental player last year who was a tackle with

772
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:22,719
Speaker 1: the corn Huskers but has to move inside because his

773
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 1: feet aren't quick enough to play on the edge. I

774
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:27,560
Speaker 1: can see Nick Gates making this team as one of

775
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 1: the backups. That's fair. Here's another name which I think

776
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:33,440
Speaker 1: we completely overlooked. What about Evan Brown. Evan Brown was

777
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:35,279
Speaker 1: on the team last year. Evan Brown I think could

778
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:37,920
Speaker 1: be moved around on the interior. Paul and they were

779
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:40,320
Speaker 1: very high on him. I know Shermer multiple times spoke

780
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:42,920
Speaker 1: very highly of his development. I would not rule him

781
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:46,319
Speaker 1: out as perhaps a backup offensive line. Okay, so I

782
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:50,000
Speaker 1: think he's absolutely in the competition. So you know we

783
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:54,400
Speaker 1: named about a good four or five guys. Well, still

784
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:56,799
Speaker 1: you want more competition, because right there, if you're gonna

785
00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 1: get Brown and I'm gonna take Gates, and then you've

786
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:03,280
Speaker 1: got wheel are Um and then you've got big George,

787
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:05,759
Speaker 1: well there's your four. If those are the four who

788
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:09,080
Speaker 1: are gonna win, you want competition. So lend I get it.

789
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:12,479
Speaker 1: You're absolutely right. You do want more competition, But don't

790
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:14,920
Speaker 1: sweat it and don't worry about it too much, because

791
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 1: while you do want to have nine solid guys from

792
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 1: where the giants have come from, just be happy they're

793
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:25,759
Speaker 1: as far long as they are. Well, and here's the

794
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 1: other reason if you want to start getting into the

795
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:30,879
Speaker 1: numbers game for the fifty three men roster, and we're

796
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:32,800
Speaker 1: really getting ahead of ourselves because we haven't even a

797
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 1: training camp practice, but I have there's no question speculation

798
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:37,840
Speaker 1: rules of this business. I don't know if there's a

799
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:41,320
Speaker 1: need for nine for this team. And here's why, Paul.

800
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 1: If you look at the potential starters, whether it's Hallapel

801
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 1: or Pulley as the starting center, whoever wins the starting

802
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:51,359
Speaker 1: job can also play guard in the event of an

803
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 1: injury to another interior alignment. Okay, so you have versatility

804
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:58,560
Speaker 1: there if the Remor signing goes through. Remember unofficial in

805
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 1: case you're just joining us. Remors also has the versatility

806
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:04,719
Speaker 1: to play four different positions, so that means within your

807
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:08,440
Speaker 1: starting group, Paul, two of them can be moved around.

808
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:12,839
Speaker 1: So why would I then take another backup if I

809
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 1: know I could play a game in musical chairs a

810
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:16,759
Speaker 1: little bit with my starters. That's just my logic and

811
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:19,319
Speaker 1: my thinking. Reverends a numbers game. If you want depth

812
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:21,840
Speaker 1: at other positions, I don't think there's a necessity to

813
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:24,759
Speaker 1: necessarily keep nine offensive lineman. I would then keep the

814
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:27,440
Speaker 1: other guy in the practice squad, assuming nobody claims it,

815
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:30,720
Speaker 1: I guarantee you they'll take a nine, maybe a flip

816
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:32,839
Speaker 1: of the coin. I don't know that it's gonna be nine,

817
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 1: but it's gonna be at least eight. I'm tending to

818
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:38,759
Speaker 1: lean toward nine, to be honest, because I just think

819
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:41,320
Speaker 1: you can't have enough of healthy guys who you really

820
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 1: like on that fifty three. And quite honestly, it's better

821
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:48,960
Speaker 1: if you don't have to juggle and shuffle guys and

822
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:51,760
Speaker 1: move them around. You'd much rather if somebody goes down

823
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:55,880
Speaker 1: just plugging the next guy up for continuity purposes, because

824
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 1: once you start having to move one guy now one

825
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:01,319
Speaker 1: injury affects two spots, of course, and that's never a

826
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 1: good thing. Well, that's why I was referred to it

827
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:05,839
Speaker 1: as the game of musical chairs, because you just keep

828
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:10,920
Speaker 1: moving guys. Gonna be the next statement I made. Yeah, absolutely,

829
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 1: you want to try to avoid that at all costs.

830
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:14,759
Speaker 1: Before we get back to the phone lines here at

831
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:18,800
Speaker 1: two five, one three, Lenn one of our earlier callers,

832
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:20,759
Speaker 1: was bringing up the question about the four quarterbacks. So

833
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:22,880
Speaker 1: Dave are great producer right on top of this. We

834
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:24,960
Speaker 1: don't have to wait till tomorrow to do some more homework.

835
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:27,800
Speaker 1: Josh Allen of the Buffalo Bills played, did not start

836
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:30,560
Speaker 1: week one, so he had a uniform. He started week two,

837
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:35,320
Speaker 1: then Tyrod Taylor started for the Browns week one. Baker

838
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 1: Mayfield played week three, started week four, but Baker was

839
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:40,640
Speaker 1: the main backup, so he had a uniform. Josh Rosen

840
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:43,840
Speaker 1: same thing, played week three, started week four. He was

841
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:46,480
Speaker 1: the backup to Sam Bradford and Sam Donald as we mentioned,

842
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:49,439
Speaker 1: started week one against the Detroit line. So all four

843
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 1: of those guys who were drafted in the top ten

844
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:55,360
Speaker 1: ultimately got a uniform week one. But remember keep in

845
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:58,920
Speaker 1: mind every team is different, every scenario is different. So

846
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:00,920
Speaker 1: you know, just because the four guy's got a uniform

847
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:02,760
Speaker 1: last year, and then if you think, well, if Daniel

848
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:06,200
Speaker 1: Jones doesn't get a uniform week one, something's wrong. Pat

849
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:10,880
Speaker 1: Shermer's philosophy, Paul, is completely different than what Hugh Jackson

850
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:13,640
Speaker 1: of the Cleveland Browns is preaching, what Steve Wolkes of

851
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:16,239
Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals. We could go through all of the

852
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 1: head coaches who have to bore you, so you have

853
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:22,040
Speaker 1: to separate. I think all of these scenarios and you

854
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:24,759
Speaker 1: can't necessarily group them. And here's the other thing. And

855
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:27,040
Speaker 1: as you pointed out, the importance of week one is

856
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:29,840
Speaker 1: to have a veteran ready to go, God forbid something happens,

857
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:32,480
Speaker 1: Eli Manning. Just because let's say Daniel Jones is not

858
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:35,040
Speaker 1: the backup week one, Paul, does that mean that Pat

859
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:37,879
Speaker 1: Shermer then can't say I would bring Daniel Jones back

860
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:40,760
Speaker 1: week two and give him a uniform. Nothing is etched

861
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:43,560
Speaker 1: in stone that the way it structured week one can't

862
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:46,000
Speaker 1: change the week too. So don't get so caught up

863
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:48,880
Speaker 1: in terms of how depth charts look. Depth charts evolve.

864
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:51,839
Speaker 1: They change week to week based on what goes on

865
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 1: during practice and the game of injuries. So once again,

866
00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 1: I would not read too much between the lines. Let's

867
00:45:58,080 --> 00:45:59,880
Speaker 1: head back to the phone line series. We move along

868
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:02,319
Speaker 1: until the top of the hour. On Big Blue Kickoff Live,

869
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:05,000
Speaker 1: Clay is in Brooklyn and he joins us here on

870
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:07,920
Speaker 1: bb K, O what's happening Clay? Hey, guys, how are

871
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:13,160
Speaker 1: you doing? I just wanted to say that I'm really

872
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 1: looking forward to this year. Uh. First of all, I

873
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:18,040
Speaker 1: think we've gotten better at a few positions, even though

874
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:22,000
Speaker 1: obviously you know, we Zotte. We lose Olivier, but I

875
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 1: think the offensive line is significantly better, and I think

876
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 1: the defensive that field has the potential to be a

877
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:29,960
Speaker 1: lot better. Those are two of one of two of

878
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 1: the most important, you know, groups of the team. So

879
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:36,880
Speaker 1: that makes me feel really good. I'm thinking that, you know,

880
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:38,919
Speaker 1: I haven't heard anybody savorship and I'm thinking that maybe

881
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:41,479
Speaker 1: Everan Ingram joins the wide receiver group or at least

882
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 1: effectively like the factor wide receiver. He's such a match

883
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:47,759
Speaker 1: up nightmare. I'm not sure how much long will we

884
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:49,759
Speaker 1: keep Brett Ellison. He didn't seem to have such a

885
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:51,920
Speaker 1: great year last year, and I feel like that's a

886
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 1: position that you know, blocking tight end that can also catch,

887
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:58,920
Speaker 1: would would really be nice. Uh And I think that

888
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:02,480
Speaker 1: we were we have a pretty good young nucleus. I'm

889
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:05,160
Speaker 1: hoping we can trade for Blake Marquinez for the from

890
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:07,400
Speaker 1: the Packers because I think we needed more speed at

891
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:11,279
Speaker 1: inside linebacker. I know they need a cornerback because they're

892
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:14,080
Speaker 1: not so killed with Kevin King, you're starting cornerback, and

893
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:16,319
Speaker 1: I'm thinking that by the trade deadline, that would be

894
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:19,360
Speaker 1: a good place to send jen and r Jenkins in

895
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:21,960
Speaker 1: exchange with Blake Marquinez. Martinez is last year and his

896
00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:25,080
Speaker 1: rookie deals this year, and we have some money next year.

897
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:26,640
Speaker 1: We have a lot more money next year than Green

898
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:29,160
Speaker 1: Bay does. I don't think they can afford next year

899
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:31,400
Speaker 1: given how many you know, they're pretty top heavy with

900
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:34,200
Speaker 1: you four or five really expensive people. You should understand

901
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:37,320
Speaker 1: one thing about Jenkins, Betcher said the other day, and

902
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:41,080
Speaker 1: he was emphatic about it. Jenkins has really taken the

903
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:43,160
Speaker 1: bull by the horns to become the big brother to

904
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:46,400
Speaker 1: all the other young corners and young defensive backs on

905
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:49,759
Speaker 1: this team. He has taken a leadership role. Betcher said.

906
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:53,120
Speaker 1: He thinks about going over to UH to correct something,

907
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:55,839
Speaker 1: and he doesn't have to because Jenkins has already taken

908
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:58,319
Speaker 1: care of it on its own. Genera, Jenkins is not

909
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:00,920
Speaker 1: going anywhere this season now. If you want to tell

910
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:06,239
Speaker 1: me economically, after the nineteen season, economically, the numbers may

911
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:09,799
Speaker 1: indicate that it's more likely or at least possible, for

912
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:12,720
Speaker 1: you to jettison him. You could talk in those terms,

913
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:15,239
Speaker 1: but he's gonna be on this team in nineteen at

914
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:17,840
Speaker 1: the trade deadline, because I agree, I think he's really

915
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:21,480
Speaker 1: really essential now. But by the trade deadline, you know,

916
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:23,319
Speaker 1: and obviously depends on what our record is and what

917
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:26,840
Speaker 1: the Packers record is. But like by the trade deadline,

918
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:30,400
Speaker 1: those young bucks are ready to go, I don't you know.

919
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:33,560
Speaker 1: And like I said, the Packers probably can't before Martinez

920
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:36,320
Speaker 1: next year. Um, and we would have paid most of

921
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:42,200
Speaker 1: Jenkings for this year already. Uh. If they have a shot, okay,

922
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:45,439
Speaker 1: and replacing Kevin King with Jenkins pushes them over the top.

923
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:47,440
Speaker 1: I can see them being interested in that moment, as

924
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:50,200
Speaker 1: Carl Banks makes us a lot better. As Carl Banks

925
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:52,960
Speaker 1: says on Twitter, things to tell gentleman. Right. But but

926
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:55,440
Speaker 1: I honestly believe the Giants think that they're going to

927
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:57,960
Speaker 1: be in a race. I think they're gonna be. They

928
00:48:58,040 --> 00:49:01,319
Speaker 1: probably believe, and I think it's just stifiable that they

929
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:04,680
Speaker 1: will be a very competitive team throughout the season, And

930
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:07,839
Speaker 1: at that point in time when the deadline arrives, they're

931
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:09,799
Speaker 1: still gonna be very much in the mix for a

932
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:12,719
Speaker 1: potential wild card spot. So I don't think at that

933
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:14,759
Speaker 1: point you're gonna make a deal. We wouldn't be in

934
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:18,560
Speaker 1: the mix. I was saying that Blake Martinez makes us.

935
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:20,400
Speaker 1: He's one of the highest rate the PFS as one

936
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:24,440
Speaker 1: of the highest rating past covering Insideline magazine Football, and

937
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:29,920
Speaker 1: I understand. I understand. I'm saying, if Jenkins has done

938
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:32,399
Speaker 1: his job of amazing the young quarterback to the point

939
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:34,560
Speaker 1: where we can afford to lose him, it's what I'm saying,

940
00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:40,440
Speaker 1: then that makes both teams better. I understand a hypothetical,

941
00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:43,360
Speaker 1: and I think if the Giants are in deep trouble

942
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:45,920
Speaker 1: at that point, there's certainly be looking to move whatever

943
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:50,239
Speaker 1: they can move. To your first point, the Giants were sixteen,

944
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:53,520
Speaker 1: right smack in the middle last year in offense by

945
00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:57,520
Speaker 1: the time the season ended, averaging twenty three points a game. Defensively,

946
00:49:57,560 --> 00:50:01,479
Speaker 1: they were twenty three, allowing twenty points a game. Well,

947
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:04,239
Speaker 1: I was just talking to Lance before the show, and

948
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:06,799
Speaker 1: you believe the offense is going to be better, and

949
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:09,719
Speaker 1: so do I. It would not shock me if they

950
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:13,200
Speaker 1: average as much as seven points a game. That would

951
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:16,240
Speaker 1: not shock me, and that's probably gonna put them somewhere

952
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:18,280
Speaker 1: in the vicinity of the top ten to top twelve

953
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:21,680
Speaker 1: in the league. Defensively, it's hard for me not to

954
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:24,640
Speaker 1: believe with all of these new faces that they're bringing

955
00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:29,680
Speaker 1: in on defense, aggressive, young upside talent. It's hard for

956
00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:31,720
Speaker 1: me to believe they're gonna give up twenty six points

957
00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:34,560
Speaker 1: a game and still rank three. I'd say if they

958
00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:37,080
Speaker 1: could get somewhere near the area of fifteen or six

959
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:39,880
Speaker 1: in the league, to get somewhere in the middle. And

960
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:42,359
Speaker 1: I don't think that's too far to ask to rise

961
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:46,319
Speaker 1: about eight spots in the rankings. That's not about to ask. Okay,

962
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:48,680
Speaker 1: get get get it down to somewhere where they're giving

963
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:51,400
Speaker 1: up about twenty a game a game. Well, all of

964
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:54,600
Speaker 1: a sudden, guess what that means. The Giants probably going

965
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:57,720
Speaker 1: to be sniff in the playoffs. Oh absolutely, I expect

966
00:50:57,760 --> 00:51:00,400
Speaker 1: this to be there. And there's nobody not division And

967
00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:02,359
Speaker 1: that puts the fear of God in me, like who

968
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:07,640
Speaker 1: you know one word ten injuries to somebody like Elliott

969
00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:13,440
Speaker 1: or well, let's not kid ourselves. An injury, an injury

970
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:15,279
Speaker 1: that the wrong spot to the Giants is going to

971
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:17,759
Speaker 1: prove fatal to them too, because while Gentleman has done

972
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:21,440
Speaker 1: a great job rebuilding his starting twenty two two Giants

973
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:23,800
Speaker 1: have some thin positions. Well, on the bottom line is

974
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:26,200
Speaker 1: there's been a lot of turnover in this division. Nobody's

975
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:28,440
Speaker 1: won back to back division titles since the Eagles won

976
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:30,200
Speaker 1: four in a row in the early two thousands. So

977
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:32,319
Speaker 1: I mean, no matter what shape your roster is in,

978
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:34,520
Speaker 1: if you're in the NFC East, I think everybody feels, hey,

979
00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:36,200
Speaker 1: we got a chance at least in the early stages

980
00:51:36,239 --> 00:51:38,760
Speaker 1: of the division, because the Eagles weren't able to duplicate

981
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:42,080
Speaker 1: their success and the Cowboys weren't able to duplicate themselves.

982
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:44,719
Speaker 1: So Dallas I think has had the greatest success in

983
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:47,360
Speaker 1: the short term because they've won three division titles in

984
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:49,880
Speaker 1: the span of five years. But Dallas also hasn't been

985
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:52,839
Speaker 1: able to duplicate and repeat the following season, So that's

986
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:54,760
Speaker 1: all more of a reason why I think every team

987
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:57,200
Speaker 1: should at least feel, hey, we got a shot going in.

988
00:51:57,480 --> 00:52:00,160
Speaker 1: Let's play our cards, right, see what happens. F Y

989
00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:03,160
Speaker 1: Washington schedule is not that bad. I mean, I think

990
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:05,200
Speaker 1: we went at least two games in the a f T. East.

991
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:08,600
Speaker 1: I think we played Tampa Bay again, we play Arizona again.

992
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:12,400
Speaker 1: You know we oh, I know we should be competitive

993
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:16,120
Speaker 1: with at least Detroit from the second easiest schedule based

994
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:19,520
Speaker 1: on last year's winning percentage, which is always it's always

995
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:22,480
Speaker 1: a very very weak stat to site. But it's an

996
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:24,919
Speaker 1: easier schedule than last year, and I find it hard

997
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:27,000
Speaker 1: to believe it's going to be harder than last year,

998
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:29,440
Speaker 1: whatever it turns out to be. Back to the point

999
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:33,160
Speaker 1: about the defensive points, though, you're talking about Washington, Pittsburgh,

1000
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:35,440
Speaker 1: and Detroit all gave up about twenty two a game

1001
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:39,080
Speaker 1: last year and they were fifteen, sixteen, and seventeen in defense.

1002
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:41,880
Speaker 1: So that's all we're asking from this team. You know,

1003
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:44,279
Speaker 1: can you give up four points less per game on

1004
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:46,919
Speaker 1: defense to get to the middle of the pack. That's

1005
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:50,040
Speaker 1: not a lot to ask, right, And honestly, it's not

1006
00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:53,080
Speaker 1: even I think the points per game is great, but

1007
00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:56,680
Speaker 1: it's really when they give them, no question, Eli walked

1008
00:52:56,680 --> 00:53:00,359
Speaker 1: off the field as three times last year, more times

1009
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:04,600
Speaker 1: in the league, and we've lost all three of those games.

1010
00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:05,960
Speaker 1: It's I don't care if they give up thirty points

1011
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:08,839
Speaker 1: as long they don't give up I hear you the game. Well,

1012
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:12,759
Speaker 1: it's about, yeah, preserving those victories and appreciate the phone call, Clay.

1013
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:14,839
Speaker 1: I mean, you think about the Indianapolis game, you think

1014
00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:18,000
Speaker 1: about the Philadelphia game. Those are two games that's certainly

1015
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:19,640
Speaker 1: come to mind. Then, on the flip side, though there

1016
00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:22,200
Speaker 1: were other games which were close, the Tampa Bay game,

1017
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:24,160
Speaker 1: which I think got a little bit closer than they

1018
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:27,040
Speaker 1: would have hoped. Here at the stadium where the Bucks

1019
00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:29,480
Speaker 1: made the change to Jamis Winston, they made things interesting.

1020
00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:31,839
Speaker 1: If it wasn't for that interception at the end. Who knows,

1021
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:34,200
Speaker 1: maybe tam Bay gets in field goal range. Three things

1022
00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:36,400
Speaker 1: you have to have in terms of units that have

1023
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:39,480
Speaker 1: to be strong for you to achieve the core elements

1024
00:53:39,520 --> 00:53:43,440
Speaker 1: that you need to be a playoff contender. Offensive line

1025
00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:46,960
Speaker 1: Giants have greatly improved. We we already know that, Okay,

1026
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:51,120
Speaker 1: So if the Remors thing goes through, greatly improved, okay.

1027
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:57,520
Speaker 1: Secondary looks to be greatly improved. On paper. Pass rush,

1028
00:53:57,840 --> 00:54:00,759
Speaker 1: that's the question mark. And any body out there who

1029
00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:03,280
Speaker 1: wants to take shots at the Giants and say you're crazy,

1030
00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:05,839
Speaker 1: they they're not a playoff team. They're not gonna make it.

1031
00:54:06,239 --> 00:54:09,279
Speaker 1: The one place they can attack is where is the

1032
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:13,719
Speaker 1: proven pass rush. They're relying on Carter to step up,

1033
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:17,160
Speaker 1: they're relying on Golden to return to form before the

1034
00:54:17,600 --> 00:54:21,719
Speaker 1: knee injury, and they're relying on on x Man, a

1035
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:27,360
Speaker 1: workie from Old Dominion, to provide some sense of pass rush.

1036
00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:30,680
Speaker 1: That's where the achilles is right now on this team.

1037
00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:34,759
Speaker 1: It is It is strictly a big question mark, and

1038
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:37,279
Speaker 1: that is a key element that you have to have

1039
00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:40,480
Speaker 1: absolutely well. And that's the achilles. If people want to

1040
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:42,120
Speaker 1: attack and say the Giants are not going to be

1041
00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:44,520
Speaker 1: a winning team this year, that's the place. That's the

1042
00:54:44,560 --> 00:54:48,360
Speaker 1: place you have to criticize. Well. The other emphasis on

1043
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:50,719
Speaker 1: the defense, which I think they've addressed, but it's still

1044
00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:53,040
Speaker 1: a question mark because you have a lot of unproven commodities.

1045
00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:56,240
Speaker 1: Is the secondary, specifically the cornerback position, not the safety.

1046
00:54:56,280 --> 00:54:58,239
Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of talent, right I do too.

1047
00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:00,279
Speaker 1: I don't disagree, But until these guys get on field

1048
00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:03,600
Speaker 1: and produced to make a bold claim that they're fine

1049
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:05,680
Speaker 1: and that you know exactly what you're gonna get out

1050
00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:09,040
Speaker 1: of this cornerback group, I think I feel better about

1051
00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:12,759
Speaker 1: the secondary than I do right now about the pass

1052
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:15,600
Speaker 1: r and I can't disagree with you. This is because

1053
00:55:15,600 --> 00:55:18,520
Speaker 1: I think I think that the talent that they've accumulated

1054
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:21,799
Speaker 1: appears to be the raw talent appears to be much

1055
00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:25,360
Speaker 1: more plentiful and the secondary than it does in the

1056
00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:28,160
Speaker 1: pass rush mode. I got that one other thing that

1057
00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:29,919
Speaker 1: I just wanted to piggyback off of the last caller

1058
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:32,319
Speaker 1: before we head to the last one or two phone

1059
00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:35,600
Speaker 1: calls we have. In terms of that hypothetical trade, just

1060
00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:38,520
Speaker 1: keep in mind most of the trades that Dave Gettleman

1061
00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:41,520
Speaker 1: has pulled, regardless of where the team stands, is usually

1062
00:55:41,560 --> 00:55:45,320
Speaker 1: to gain future assets. Paul Yes, as opposed to grabbing

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00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:48,160
Speaker 1: a guy that has an expiring contract. Now, you can

1064
00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:50,799
Speaker 1: make the claim, well, if you're in it in the

1065
00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:52,719
Speaker 1: thick of things that the trade deadline, you may be

1066
00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:55,120
Speaker 1: sacrificed because you want to gain another key player, But

1067
00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:57,920
Speaker 1: you're not making moves just for two thousand nineteen. You're

1068
00:55:57,960 --> 00:56:00,720
Speaker 1: making moves from beyond that. At least that's Dave Gentleman

1069
00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:03,360
Speaker 1: has proven to me that he's not just thinking in

1070
00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:06,680
Speaker 1: a small sample size. He's thinking for multiple years. And

1071
00:56:06,719 --> 00:56:09,960
Speaker 1: Blake Martinez just used that player. He's got an expiring contract.

1072
00:56:10,040 --> 00:56:11,640
Speaker 1: So then you're gonna have to give up assets. You're

1073
00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:13,160
Speaker 1: gonna have to give up a player to gain him,

1074
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:14,640
Speaker 1: and then if you want to retain him, you gotta

1075
00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:16,960
Speaker 1: give him a new contract. One other news note that

1076
00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:19,200
Speaker 1: came to Fruition the other day, and I'm not sure

1077
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:21,360
Speaker 1: exactly what day it came out, but it was NFL

1078
00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:24,880
Speaker 1: dot COM's estimate, and again we put that in quotes.

1079
00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:31,520
Speaker 1: Guestimate that the Giants will get compics in a third

1080
00:56:31,600 --> 00:56:35,520
Speaker 1: rounder and a seventh rounder. That's the guestimate. And if

1081
00:56:35,560 --> 00:56:37,560
Speaker 1: we always warn you all every year, we warn you

1082
00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:42,799
Speaker 1: flux that the guestimate often is not exact. But that's

1083
00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:45,160
Speaker 1: where the guestimate is. Because of the free agents that

1084
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:49,200
Speaker 1: came and that left, the Giants could get what appears

1085
00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:52,440
Speaker 1: to be based on NFL dot Com, a third and

1086
00:56:52,520 --> 00:56:56,880
Speaker 1: a seventh compensatory in the draft. The third could be

1087
00:56:57,000 --> 00:56:59,839
Speaker 1: very valuable. It just depends on the production of those

1088
00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:01,920
Speaker 1: agents that have come and gone too. So that's why

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00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:03,600
Speaker 1: a lot is still up in the air. Let's head

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00:57:03,600 --> 00:57:06,200
Speaker 1: back to the phone lines. We check in with Ralph

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00:57:06,280 --> 00:57:08,840
Speaker 1: in Neptune. Ralph, welcome the Big Blue Kickoff Live. What

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00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:13,319
Speaker 1: do you have for us? It was, well, Ralph, what's

1093
00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:19,200
Speaker 1: on your mind? Yeah, a question quickly? Do you think

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00:57:19,280 --> 00:57:22,720
Speaker 1: do you think is automatically gonna start? Uh say, the

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00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:25,360
Speaker 1: assigning is official, that is the automatic and Toto is

1096
00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:28,320
Speaker 1: he go have competition? Well, we talked a little bit

1097
00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:30,000
Speaker 1: about this at the beginning of the show. You're right,

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00:57:30,040 --> 00:57:32,400
Speaker 1: it is unofficial, So in the event that it does

1099
00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:35,520
Speaker 1: become official, I think he's going to compete, and I

1100
00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:38,160
Speaker 1: don't think he's gonna be handed a starting job automatically.

1101
00:57:38,200 --> 00:57:40,440
Speaker 1: I think that the whole point of bringing in a

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00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:43,800
Speaker 1: free agent with his experience, even though he should be

1103
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:46,360
Speaker 1: in the driver's seat to win the job. I still

1104
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:48,800
Speaker 1: think it's the push guys like Wheeler and to push

1105
00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:50,959
Speaker 1: some of the other guys so that they don't think

1106
00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:53,439
Speaker 1: that they're just competing within themselves. They've got to prove

1107
00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:55,480
Speaker 1: that they could be better and more consistent than a

1108
00:57:55,560 --> 00:57:58,000
Speaker 1: proven veteran in the NFL if they want to be

1109
00:57:58,040 --> 00:57:59,960
Speaker 1: the starting right tackle for the Giants. I think that's

1110
00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:02,360
Speaker 1: part of the rationale in trying to bring in a

1111
00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:04,920
Speaker 1: veteran free agent. I mean, you'd like to consider him

1112
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:08,160
Speaker 1: having a nose up on the competition, but he's absolutely

1113
00:58:08,160 --> 00:58:10,280
Speaker 1: going to have to win it. You don't just hand

1114
00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:14,640
Speaker 1: it to him. Got you? And um My other thought was,

1115
00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:17,840
Speaker 1: do you guys agree that the league or even the

1116
00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:20,600
Speaker 1: media might be biased on how they how they rate

1117
00:58:20,680 --> 00:58:24,840
Speaker 1: people honestly asking him as kicking favorites because they've been

1118
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:27,080
Speaker 1: bashing the last for years of playing behind that line

1119
00:58:27,080 --> 00:58:32,760
Speaker 1: that you've been playing. But you're asking me, Yeah, the

1120
00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:36,160
Speaker 1: wrong guy to ask racause you basically you're like singing

1121
00:58:36,200 --> 00:58:38,760
Speaker 1: beautiful music to him with the words that are coming

1122
00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:40,600
Speaker 1: out of your mouth. I was actually gonna wait to

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00:58:40,640 --> 00:58:43,600
Speaker 1: hear you finished, because I wasn't exactly sure as your

1124
00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:45,880
Speaker 1: claim here that you think that the media has biased

1125
00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:48,880
Speaker 1: against specifically the Giants, or there's other things that you're

1126
00:58:48,880 --> 00:58:53,000
Speaker 1: gonna bring up. No, they biased against whoever. It's the weather,

1127
00:58:53,120 --> 00:58:55,400
Speaker 1: their favorites are, and they like to pick whether they

1128
00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:57,800
Speaker 1: want to pick. My point is you couldn't use that

1129
00:58:57,880 --> 00:59:00,640
Speaker 1: example because Josh Rosen played line. I know it was

1130
00:59:00,680 --> 00:59:05,520
Speaker 1: a rookie, but I don't very right jash Rosen his

1131
00:59:05,600 --> 00:59:08,160
Speaker 1: talent declining or anything like that. I know he's younger

1132
00:59:08,200 --> 00:59:13,520
Speaker 1: than the Eli, but it is what it is. My friend.

1133
00:59:13,600 --> 00:59:15,680
Speaker 1: Let me ask you a question, and this is going

1134
00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:18,720
Speaker 1: right to the core of the situation. If you see

1135
00:59:19,080 --> 00:59:23,680
Speaker 1: a significant headline attached to a quarterback, especially a guy

1136
00:59:24,040 --> 00:59:27,080
Speaker 1: like Eli Manning here in New York, You're gonna click

1137
00:59:27,080 --> 00:59:31,000
Speaker 1: on that story, aren't you. Of course you are. That's

1138
00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:33,840
Speaker 1: all you need to know. Click clickbait one oh one.

1139
00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:37,120
Speaker 1: Just to expand a little bit upon what you were

1140
00:59:37,160 --> 00:59:39,400
Speaker 1: throwing out here, Ralph, this is what I will say.

1141
00:59:39,600 --> 00:59:42,000
Speaker 1: First of all, we all have biases because we're all human,

1142
00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:44,560
Speaker 1: so I think that goes without saying. And members of

1143
00:59:44,560 --> 00:59:46,439
Speaker 1: the media are human beings the last time I checked,

1144
00:59:46,440 --> 00:59:48,280
Speaker 1: at least most of them. But anyway, that's a whole

1145
00:59:48,280 --> 00:59:52,800
Speaker 1: other conversation. So therefore there's gonna be biases aligned with that,

1146
00:59:53,040 --> 00:59:56,400
Speaker 1: I think, and Paul alluded to this somebody. My problem

1147
00:59:56,440 --> 00:59:57,880
Speaker 1: with a lot of the coverage, and it's not just

1148
00:59:57,920 --> 00:59:59,600
Speaker 1: for the Giants, it's for every team because I showed

1149
00:59:59,640 --> 01:00:02,200
Speaker 1: it from Bring the League is that there are narratives

1150
01:00:02,200 --> 01:00:06,160
Speaker 1: that develop out of convenience without the proper context. So

1151
01:00:06,280 --> 01:00:08,800
Speaker 1: you brought up a great example, Ralph, when you tell

1152
01:00:08,800 --> 01:00:12,040
Speaker 1: the story of Josh Rosen season in two thousand eighteen.

1153
01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:14,840
Speaker 1: The Cardinals did not have a good year. Josh Rosen

1154
01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:17,920
Speaker 1: only played four teen games, But if you were to

1155
01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:21,840
Speaker 1: evaluate Josh Rosen's play, you have to include the offensive

1156
01:00:21,880 --> 01:00:24,520
Speaker 1: line being plagued by injuries, the offensive line not being

1157
01:00:24,560 --> 01:00:27,200
Speaker 1: fully ready to help a rookie quarterback, the lack of

1158
01:00:27,200 --> 01:00:29,880
Speaker 1: a consistent running game because they didn't utilize David Johnson

1159
01:00:30,040 --> 01:00:32,600
Speaker 1: very well. All of those things are important, Like you

1160
01:00:32,680 --> 01:00:34,320
Speaker 1: may not be a big fan of Josh Rosen, but

1161
01:00:34,360 --> 01:00:37,480
Speaker 1: at least tell me, hey, Rosen didn't put up great numbers,

1162
01:00:37,560 --> 01:00:39,080
Speaker 1: but this is what he dealt with. And then you

1163
01:00:39,120 --> 01:00:40,920
Speaker 1: know what, I will respect your opinion. I'll say, at

1164
01:00:40,960 --> 01:00:42,840
Speaker 1: least I have someone of the complete story. If you

1165
01:00:42,920 --> 01:00:45,680
Speaker 1: just throw out a headline Josh Rosen stinks well, and

1166
01:00:45,720 --> 01:00:47,880
Speaker 1: it doesn't provide proper context, and it's hard for me

1167
01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:49,440
Speaker 1: to put a lot of substance in that story. So

1168
01:00:49,560 --> 01:00:51,200
Speaker 1: I feel as if, I don't know if it's so

1169
01:00:51,280 --> 01:00:53,960
Speaker 1: much biased. I just feel as if we have a

1170
01:00:54,160 --> 01:00:56,760
Speaker 1: media that play cads too, and and and we're all

1171
01:00:56,800 --> 01:00:58,280
Speaker 1: guilty in this where we don't want to sit there

1172
01:00:58,280 --> 01:01:00,520
Speaker 1: and read a full article. We just have the attention

1173
01:01:00,560 --> 01:01:03,680
Speaker 1: span of reading a headline. We want instantaneous gratification and

1174
01:01:03,720 --> 01:01:05,920
Speaker 1: we don't look for the context. But we need the

1175
01:01:05,960 --> 01:01:08,600
Speaker 1: context in order to tell the whole story. My friend,

1176
01:01:08,760 --> 01:01:10,920
Speaker 1: that's why we're here on Big Blue Kickoff Live to

1177
01:01:10,960 --> 01:01:13,320
Speaker 1: try to peel back the layers of the onion, which

1178
01:01:13,360 --> 01:01:17,000
Speaker 1: is one of my favorite phrases, because nothing in football,

1179
01:01:17,480 --> 01:01:21,480
Speaker 1: nothing in football is isolated into a bubble. You gotta

1180
01:01:21,560 --> 01:01:23,840
Speaker 1: peel back the layers of the onion to get to

1181
01:01:23,880 --> 01:01:27,800
Speaker 1: the core of all the different factors that determined what

1182
01:01:27,840 --> 01:01:31,840
Speaker 1: it is that you're seeing. And unfortunately, most people don't

1183
01:01:31,840 --> 01:01:34,080
Speaker 1: want to take the time to do that. They take

1184
01:01:34,120 --> 01:01:36,240
Speaker 1: the lazy that, they take the lazy way out, and

1185
01:01:36,240 --> 01:01:39,920
Speaker 1: they just throw darts. What are you gonna do? All right?

1186
01:01:41,520 --> 01:01:43,840
Speaker 1: You gotta roughly have a great day. Appreciate the phone

1187
01:01:43,840 --> 01:01:46,080
Speaker 1: call and a fair question. And you know, I thought

1188
01:01:46,160 --> 01:01:47,760
Speaker 1: he was going to go down the road of giving

1189
01:01:47,840 --> 01:01:49,720
Speaker 1: us some rankings that he saw, which I hate. I

1190
01:01:49,760 --> 01:01:52,960
Speaker 1: hate that. I couldn't care less about rankings because he

1191
01:01:53,000 --> 01:01:55,240
Speaker 1: seems too smart for that. No, I'm not blaming him.

1192
01:01:55,240 --> 01:01:57,320
Speaker 1: I thought it was a good discussion and a very

1193
01:01:57,360 --> 01:02:01,480
Speaker 1: fair question. But don't read into any rankings that these

1194
01:02:01,520 --> 01:02:04,000
Speaker 1: media outlets put out. They don't tell the whole story.

1195
01:02:04,200 --> 01:02:07,000
Speaker 1: And also a lot of media outlets put out rankings

1196
01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:08,880
Speaker 1: because they want you to click on them, and everybody

1197
01:02:08,920 --> 01:02:10,960
Speaker 1: needs something to talk about during the course of a

1198
01:02:11,040 --> 01:02:13,560
Speaker 1: very lengthy off season. With that being said, that is

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01:02:13,560 --> 01:02:15,760
Speaker 1: gonna wrap up. The latest edition of Big Blue Kickoff

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Speaker 1: Live will be back up and running tomorrow with our

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01:02:18,080 --> 01:02:21,160
Speaker 1: program again at noon Eastern, fielding your phone calls, discussing

1202
01:02:21,160 --> 01:02:23,480
Speaker 1: the latest with respect to the Giants. Just to emphasize

1203
01:02:23,480 --> 01:02:26,720
Speaker 1: once again, Mike Remers, the reports are out there, but

1204
01:02:26,920 --> 01:02:31,840
Speaker 1: nothing is official, and until something comes official, we cannot

1205
01:02:31,880 --> 01:02:34,320
Speaker 1: talk about it within the context of it being that

1206
01:02:34,360 --> 01:02:36,480
Speaker 1: he is a member of this roster. So just at

1207
01:02:36,520 --> 01:02:39,280
Speaker 1: least be prepared for that. There's nothing on the website

1208
01:02:39,360 --> 01:02:42,560
Speaker 1: as we speak of, because it's simply rumors and speculation

1209
01:02:42,600 --> 01:02:45,400
Speaker 1: at this point. Reminder, Big Blue Kickoff Live presented by

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Speaker 1: the rest of your Monday and always stay locked to

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