1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,200 Speaker 1: Welcome to the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast 2 00:00:02,240 --> 00:00:06,160 Speaker 1: a Paranormal podcast Network. Now get ready for another episode 3 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:10,040 Speaker 1: of Dark Becomes Light with Heidi Hollis. The thoughts and 4 00:00:10,119 --> 00:00:13,520 Speaker 1: opinions expressed by the host our thoughts and opinions only, 5 00:00:13,840 --> 00:00:17,000 Speaker 1: and do not necessarily reflect those of I Heart Media, 6 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:20,319 Speaker 1: I Heart Radio, Coast to Coast A out employees of 7 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:24,800 Speaker 1: premier networks or their sponsors and associates. You are encouraged 8 00:00:24,880 --> 00:00:27,880 Speaker 1: to do the proper amount of research yourself, depending on 9 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:46,680 Speaker 1: the subject matter and your needs. You are listening to 10 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:49,559 Speaker 1: Dark Becomes Light with Me, Heidi Hollis on the I 11 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:53,800 Speaker 1: Heart Radio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal podcast Network. 12 00:00:55,440 --> 00:01:01,280 Speaker 1: Welcome to my show. Remember, each week on this program 13 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:07,320 Speaker 1: you get to hear the most fascinating, mysterious and absolutely 14 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:12,640 Speaker 1: puzzling phenomena that you can find anywhere. Having been the 15 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 1: person and the only person to have discovered, defined, named, 16 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:24,919 Speaker 1: and now even trademarked, not one, but two paranormal phenomenon, 17 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:29,960 Speaker 1: it has been quite a whirlwind. And I'm telling you, 18 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:33,160 Speaker 1: I cover a lot of different topics here. It's not 19 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:36,800 Speaker 1: just the dark, it's not just the mysterious, but it's 20 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:41,800 Speaker 1: also the holy, the inspiring, and sometimes yeah, we touch 21 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:46,160 Speaker 1: on things that might sound a bit religious, but as 22 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:50,280 Speaker 1: religion really the case when we talk about faith, faith 23 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:53,640 Speaker 1: is kind of different. It's kind of unconfined, right, That's 24 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:56,000 Speaker 1: how I feel about it. Anyways, But when you talk 25 00:01:56,160 --> 00:02:00,560 Speaker 1: about these demonic like instances that people are dealing with, 26 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:04,000 Speaker 1: I find it difficult to not talk about things that 27 00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:08,639 Speaker 1: way on the topic of faith, because it's a battle 28 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:12,040 Speaker 1: between the light and the dark, right. But anyways, I 29 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 1: want to encourage you all to go to my main website, 30 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:20,799 Speaker 1: which is shadow Folks dot com or Heidi Hollis dot 31 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:25,239 Speaker 1: com and if you have experienced anything out of the ordinary, 32 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:29,480 Speaker 1: if you want some insight on it, please write me there. 33 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:32,880 Speaker 1: Tell me as much detail as you would like about 34 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:35,760 Speaker 1: whatever it is that you've experienced. If it's just about sharing, 35 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:39,760 Speaker 1: or if you want to share what it is that 36 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:44,520 Speaker 1: you researched, your opinion, or just talking about your experiences, 37 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:48,400 Speaker 1: it is all absolutely welcome. So again, don't feel like 38 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:51,080 Speaker 1: you have to limit yourself and the way that you 39 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:54,880 Speaker 1: deliver it and talk about it, or the size of 40 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 1: your email. I often get these emails like I'm sorry, 41 00:02:57,720 --> 00:02:59,640 Speaker 1: this is so long, I'm like, no, no, no. It 42 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 1: helps to paint a picture and always indicate on there 43 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 1: if you want to be a guest on this program, 44 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:09,440 Speaker 1: because I'm always open to having anybody who liked to 45 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:13,120 Speaker 1: come on and share about their experiences, so definitely. Then 46 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:15,760 Speaker 1: we get to dig a little further and ask more 47 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:19,400 Speaker 1: questions about what was happening in a person's life, why 48 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 1: something was happening as it was So today, guess what, 49 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:25,800 Speaker 1: we're going to have fun because this is one of 50 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:29,840 Speaker 1: my favorite types of shows. I love answering your emails, 51 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:32,919 Speaker 1: and we're going to dig right on in because we've 52 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:38,480 Speaker 1: been getting quite a few piling up, and wow, it 53 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:42,120 Speaker 1: really helps to give me perspective on what's going on 54 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 1: out there where people at and learning about these phenomenon 55 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 1: that for years, when I was out there talking about 56 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:52,600 Speaker 1: it was thought to be something of science fiction that 57 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:57,760 Speaker 1: wasn't a real thing. Thank goodness, Um, I was able 58 00:03:57,800 --> 00:04:01,360 Speaker 1: to help people realize they're not alone and they were 59 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 1: experiencing these things way before I was talking about it. 60 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:07,440 Speaker 1: I had to talk about it because I was experiencing 61 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:12,480 Speaker 1: these strange things and there's just nothing out there. And 62 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 1: uh so I wrote my book while I was in college, 63 00:04:16,760 --> 00:04:19,640 Speaker 1: and it's called The Secret War. It is the first 64 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:24,279 Speaker 1: book to discuss the topic of shadow people and hat 65 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:28,240 Speaker 1: Man and this entire phenomenon. Alright, So I'm going to 66 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 1: get to my first email here. This comes from Marina, 67 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 1: and she asked, this is kind of a short and 68 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:42,159 Speaker 1: sweet email. Can hat Man appear in dreams? I have 69 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:48,080 Speaker 1: seen him in dreams. His arm would extend for many 70 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 1: feet to strangle me. Wow, and you what if I 71 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:55,920 Speaker 1: told you? Guys, I get people who say, oh, I 72 00:04:55,960 --> 00:05:00,680 Speaker 1: think he's my guardian. He's strangling other people. Is that okay? 73 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:02,480 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think that's okay. I mean, if 74 00:05:02,520 --> 00:05:05,479 Speaker 1: you have, if you have like a brother that's like 75 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:07,800 Speaker 1: so sweet and kind to you, But then he goes 76 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:12,479 Speaker 1: out and he strangles other people. Is he still good 77 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:15,640 Speaker 1: and kind just because he didn't strangle you. That's what 78 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:19,440 Speaker 1: it sounds like when people try to convince me their 79 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 1: hat Man is the good guy. No, he has not. Alright, 80 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:26,480 Speaker 1: so she continues, it would be a struggle for me 81 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:29,960 Speaker 1: to break free of him. I believe a lot of 82 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:32,960 Speaker 1: it had to do with the house that I lived in. 83 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:43,799 Speaker 1: When I moved away, these dreams stopped, thank you, Marina, Yes, Marina. 84 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:49,680 Speaker 1: Something that hat Man is indeed capable of doing is 85 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:56,800 Speaker 1: stepping into people's dreams and creating scenarios that you might 86 00:05:56,839 --> 00:06:01,720 Speaker 1: not usually dream about. He will put the perspective or 87 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:06,040 Speaker 1: distort your view, or repaint something in your mind's eye, 88 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 1: like say your home. Uh, you're dreaming that you're over 89 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 1: here in a certain area. You know your house, you 90 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:15,760 Speaker 1: know the neighborhood, but something is off, Like what what 91 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:18,560 Speaker 1: could it be? I've had people tell me like there 92 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:22,680 Speaker 1: were extra bedrooms, or it was really dark, or the 93 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:27,080 Speaker 1: furniture was wrong, and then they got this really dark 94 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:33,080 Speaker 1: presence coming forward and here comes hat Man. So why 95 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:37,039 Speaker 1: he does this? I honestly think he tries to learn 96 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:41,479 Speaker 1: about us from the inside out. Imagine that. So he's 97 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 1: going through your neighborhood and he's like, Oh, there goes Marina. 98 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:47,040 Speaker 1: Let's uh, let me go knock on her door. Oh 99 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:51,920 Speaker 1: she's sleeping. Great. That's my favorite time because I don't 100 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 1: like to be spotted because then she might be able 101 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 1: to defend herself because I'm a bit of a perv 102 00:06:57,440 --> 00:07:01,880 Speaker 1: and quite evil, and she will sense that. So how 103 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:05,279 Speaker 1: can I get to know her? Well? I'm able to 104 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:09,280 Speaker 1: shove my head into her head and have a look around. 105 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:12,640 Speaker 1: Let's see what she's dreaming about. And then to try 106 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:16,880 Speaker 1: to influence what's going on in that dream and to 107 00:07:17,080 --> 00:07:21,240 Speaker 1: give you this horrible sensation like I've had people and 108 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:24,320 Speaker 1: including myself, you know, having a pleasant dream, megan out, 109 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:25,840 Speaker 1: having a good old time, and all of a sudden, 110 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:30,000 Speaker 1: what is this? You know, you feel something has shifted 111 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:33,760 Speaker 1: in your dream and it's like what, what and why? 112 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:37,360 Speaker 1: And then people get to see what the cause of 113 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:40,840 Speaker 1: that is sometimes and and it's this guy and not 114 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:43,680 Speaker 1: always just hat Man. And for those who do not 115 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:45,720 Speaker 1: know what hat Man looks like, I know I talked 116 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:48,720 Speaker 1: about it here a lot um. So he's an extremely 117 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:51,720 Speaker 1: tall man, sometimes sometimes just a little over six ft tall. 118 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 1: Where's a three piece suit, trench coat, a cape, and 119 00:07:57,760 --> 00:08:01,400 Speaker 1: a hat, but not always sometimes a top hat, sometimes 120 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:06,120 Speaker 1: a gaucho hat, um fedora. I mean, he just totally 121 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:10,360 Speaker 1: switches it up, and sometimes his soup can change be 122 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:18,120 Speaker 1: a different color. Um. Sometimes he's just this black mass 123 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 1: of a thing on the wall and he's just shadowy. 124 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:24,680 Speaker 1: You can't make out many details except for he is 125 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:29,960 Speaker 1: a very well defined shadow. And the trick with hat 126 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:32,880 Speaker 1: Man he could step out from those shadows and be 127 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:35,880 Speaker 1: just as solid as you or I where people have 128 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:43,480 Speaker 1: literally gotten into wrestling competitions with him. Can you imagine 129 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:47,200 Speaker 1: that something steps out of your nightmare? Uh, like that 130 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:53,560 Speaker 1: out of your wall and but getting back to your nightmare? Sorry, um, 131 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:57,880 Speaker 1: this is another quip. When people have had these dreams 132 00:08:57,880 --> 00:09:02,120 Speaker 1: about him, like I just said, they wake up like, 133 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:03,680 Speaker 1: oh my gosh, you know what was it that I 134 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:07,480 Speaker 1: was experiencing just now, only to see him in the 135 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:13,760 Speaker 1: room and not be able to physically respond. I mean, 136 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:17,839 Speaker 1: how horrific is that? You're like, oh, thank goodness, I 137 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 1: go out of that nightmare. You know this guy in 138 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:22,400 Speaker 1: a black suit was chasing me. Oh mg, he's in 139 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:28,480 Speaker 1: the room. Oh no escape And that is what he 140 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:31,360 Speaker 1: likes to put out there to people, like you can't 141 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:34,839 Speaker 1: escape me. I got to learn about you. I got 142 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:37,640 Speaker 1: to learn about your fears, what scares you, what level 143 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:40,520 Speaker 1: it takes to push you over the edge to wake up, 144 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:45,120 Speaker 1: and then how to snap you and leave you in 145 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:49,839 Speaker 1: that in between state, that state that they're calling sleep 146 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:53,040 Speaker 1: paralysis where your mind wakes up but your body does not. 147 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:57,280 Speaker 1: So they're trying to give a technical term to something 148 00:09:57,360 --> 00:10:02,079 Speaker 1: that is absolutely diabolical. Everybody just happens to wake up 149 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:06,920 Speaker 1: from these horrible nightmares just to see the same man 150 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:10,880 Speaker 1: in the same suit. Come on now. I mean, people 151 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 1: still believe they're alone, and that is part of my 152 00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:17,080 Speaker 1: mission is to break people out of that cycle thinking 153 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:21,320 Speaker 1: that they are absolutely alone in this phenomenon. It is 154 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:26,760 Speaker 1: going on worldwide. And um, one of my missions, one 155 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:31,840 Speaker 1: of my tasks that I personally recall, I know what 156 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:33,960 Speaker 1: I came here for and to be doing is to 157 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:38,839 Speaker 1: warn people of their onslaught of them coming. And just 158 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:43,440 Speaker 1: as I'm getting word out there on this, oh, science 159 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:47,080 Speaker 1: has a way to explain it. Oh, it's just sleep paralysis. Boy, 160 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:50,320 Speaker 1: it's really exploding out there, this so called sleep paralysis. 161 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:55,439 Speaker 1: But here I wrote this book in having warned that 162 00:10:55,520 --> 00:11:02,040 Speaker 1: this would be coming now in droves. And so is 163 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:05,360 Speaker 1: that a coincidence? I don't think so. Um. I don't 164 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 1: think sleep paralysis is suddenly having a big boom in 165 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:15,360 Speaker 1: the business. No, um so uh. Continuing with Marina's email, 166 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:17,199 Speaker 1: so she says, I believe a lot of it had 167 00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:18,760 Speaker 1: to do with the house that I lived in, because 168 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:24,480 Speaker 1: when she moved away, it stopped. But think about this Marina. Sometimes, yeah, 169 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:27,920 Speaker 1: hat Man can be attached to a certain property, but 170 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:33,120 Speaker 1: oftentimes that's not the case. And if he had broken 171 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:36,680 Speaker 1: free of you just having nightmares of him, and he 172 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:40,400 Speaker 1: stepped into your world, I believe he would have traveled 173 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:43,360 Speaker 1: with you. But it sounds like he didn't step out 174 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:48,840 Speaker 1: from your dreams, thank goodness, because that would just make 175 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:52,920 Speaker 1: this so much worse than you feel absolutely trapped. But 176 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:55,200 Speaker 1: he didn't make that mark. He was working on it. 177 00:11:55,360 --> 00:11:57,400 Speaker 1: He was trying to get to know you. He was 178 00:11:57,559 --> 00:12:00,880 Speaker 1: really really trying to dig in. But like you, you 179 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:03,920 Speaker 1: didn't cave and he didn't get the goods on you. 180 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:09,040 Speaker 1: So I'm ecstatic to read this extremely short email where 181 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:13,120 Speaker 1: hat Man did not pack his bags and move to 182 00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:17,520 Speaker 1: your next location, because that is true misery. And for 183 00:12:17,559 --> 00:12:20,640 Speaker 1: the most part I get those types of emails like 184 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:24,320 Speaker 1: I moved and he came, So I'm very happy to 185 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:27,040 Speaker 1: get this email. So, yes, he can show up in 186 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:29,640 Speaker 1: your nightmares, and yes you can leave him at the 187 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:33,400 Speaker 1: location you picked him up. That so yea for us 188 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:36,600 Speaker 1: to know that and for you. 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Paranormal day dot com Welcome back. 234 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:28,720 Speaker 1: You are listening to Dark Becomes Light with me Heidi 235 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:32,120 Speaker 1: Hollis on the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast 236 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:39,760 Speaker 1: AM Paranormal Podcast Network. Today's episode is all about you 237 00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:43,400 Speaker 1: and your emails and what you have been experiencing out 238 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:46,520 Speaker 1: there when it comes to anything out of the ordinary. 239 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:50,720 Speaker 1: Though I do tend to get mostly shadow people hat 240 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:55,880 Speaker 1: manned phenomena experiences, which is awesome. That's great that you 241 00:15:55,880 --> 00:15:57,600 Speaker 1: guys are sending. It's not awesome that you guys are 242 00:15:57,640 --> 00:16:01,680 Speaker 1: experiencing it, of course, but at least there are remedies. 243 00:16:01,880 --> 00:16:04,680 Speaker 1: So many people feel as if all is lost if 244 00:16:04,680 --> 00:16:09,000 Speaker 1: they've experienced especially the hat man, and that is not 245 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:11,920 Speaker 1: the case. And trying to spread a little bit of 246 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:15,120 Speaker 1: knowledge and hope out there and let people know that 247 00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:18,560 Speaker 1: there is a window. There's always a window to let 248 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:22,160 Speaker 1: the light in. Always remember to go to shadow Folks 249 00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:26,600 Speaker 1: dot com and send on over your experiences through my 250 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:29,080 Speaker 1: website there, and if you'd like to be a guest, 251 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:33,120 Speaker 1: don't forget let me know that. Okay, here we go. 252 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:37,440 Speaker 1: I usually don't tend to read these ahead of time, 253 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:41,120 Speaker 1: just so you guys know, So I am totally winging 254 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:44,720 Speaker 1: it and reading these off as they appear. So sometimes 255 00:16:44,800 --> 00:16:47,600 Speaker 1: they're spelling is a little off, or the sentence structure 256 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:49,720 Speaker 1: as a little goofy, and I just kind of plug 257 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:52,080 Speaker 1: in the words as I go along. So this one 258 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:54,760 Speaker 1: starts off and it says, dear Heidie, I have a 259 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:59,200 Speaker 1: story of the hat Man. I had a bad dream 260 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:02,400 Speaker 1: talking about SAMs a lot today and I wanted to 261 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:07,640 Speaker 1: go to sleep with my parents, so I went downstairs 262 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:10,520 Speaker 1: to go to sleep in their bed. When I got 263 00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:13,080 Speaker 1: to the bottom of the stairs, at the front of 264 00:17:13,080 --> 00:17:16,440 Speaker 1: my door, I had a little pillow case covering that 265 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:19,439 Speaker 1: would cover the little window that's at the top of 266 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:24,719 Speaker 1: the door. When I saw a shadow with a hat 267 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:29,520 Speaker 1: on the pillow case, I got close to lift it 268 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:33,359 Speaker 1: to check who was outside of my door. When I 269 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:38,439 Speaker 1: got real close, he turned his head and I saw 270 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:48,960 Speaker 1: his big nose, and he spoke and said, boo, that's disturbing. 271 00:17:49,960 --> 00:17:52,520 Speaker 1: I ran and knocked over a little stand with flowers, 272 00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:57,840 Speaker 1: and ever since that time, my TV turns off and 273 00:17:58,080 --> 00:18:04,080 Speaker 1: on by itself. My alarm clock goes off with the 274 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:08,040 Speaker 1: church bell sound. I woke up under my bed and 275 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:11,800 Speaker 1: there's no way I could have got there myself because 276 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:15,639 Speaker 1: there are boxes on one end and the wall is 277 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:21,359 Speaker 1: on the other. Oh what, wow, that's disturbing. I'm not 278 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:25,880 Speaker 1: quite following what you're saying about your clock. But okay, 279 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:28,160 Speaker 1: so I don't know if that's a thing that constantly 280 00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:32,680 Speaker 1: happens or it just so happened to occur that day. 281 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:35,320 Speaker 1: All right, okay, but you ended up under your bed 282 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:39,840 Speaker 1: and there's no way that can happen. I'm I'm picturing it. 283 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:43,600 Speaker 1: I'm picturing it. It's blocked on either end and you 284 00:18:43,720 --> 00:18:50,199 Speaker 1: wake up there. That's a nightmare. That was an absolute nightmare. Okay. 285 00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:56,160 Speaker 1: So another time, another experience, there were shadows whispering not 286 00:18:56,280 --> 00:19:00,119 Speaker 1: in English, and they were laughing at me. I was 287 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:03,560 Speaker 1: five years old. Then they throw the blankets off of 288 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:10,680 Speaker 1: my feet and something cold grabbed me. When someone gave 289 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:15,640 Speaker 1: me the Bible. It slowly stopped occurring before that. One 290 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:20,240 Speaker 1: of the last times, anyways, that someone laid next to 291 00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:24,600 Speaker 1: me under my blankets, and I was so terrified I 292 00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:28,879 Speaker 1: didn't look who was there, but eventually I did and 293 00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:35,960 Speaker 1: there was nobody right next to me. Wow, that's really disturbing. 294 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:41,159 Speaker 1: And this person signs it as Ethan. Wow, you know 295 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:46,720 Speaker 1: it's really fascinating to me. And reading off this email 296 00:19:46,840 --> 00:19:50,600 Speaker 1: here in this Experiences of Ethan, it gives a really 297 00:19:51,400 --> 00:20:00,480 Speaker 1: big picture of what the hat Man occurrences encompass. Here 298 00:20:00,560 --> 00:20:04,480 Speaker 1: we have a child that had a dream. In their 299 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:06,520 Speaker 1: first segment, there was somebody that had a dream and 300 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:10,640 Speaker 1: wondered if it was all hat Man. So that they 301 00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:13,720 Speaker 1: have a nightmare and they want to go sleep in 302 00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:18,000 Speaker 1: their parents bed. But something very physical happens where they 303 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:23,840 Speaker 1: spot the culprit, who is hat Man, per typical gazing 304 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:30,640 Speaker 1: in their room and speaks boo, I mean, how how disturbing. See, 305 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:33,320 Speaker 1: this is the thing with hat Man, so he he 306 00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:40,200 Speaker 1: likes to be recognized as the culprit shadow people, his minions, 307 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:42,919 Speaker 1: the ones that worked for him. They may scatter, they 308 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:45,600 Speaker 1: may run, or they may leap at you because you 309 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:48,800 Speaker 1: spotted them. But hat Man, he he waits until you 310 00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:53,080 Speaker 1: get a good look and you get that chill, and 311 00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:58,720 Speaker 1: then he speaks. He wants you to have this respectful 312 00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:02,600 Speaker 1: fear towards him. And I'll tell you, in my occurrences 313 00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:06,880 Speaker 1: that I had with him, I did not give him 314 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:10,600 Speaker 1: the opportunity to scare me like that. I just didn't. 315 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:14,560 Speaker 1: I know, one time he came into my room and 316 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:19,960 Speaker 1: I knew it was his presence, and I wouldn't open 317 00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:24,679 Speaker 1: my eyes to give him that acknowledgment. And then he 318 00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:29,760 Speaker 1: decided to stretch across the bottom of my bed as 319 00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:32,359 Speaker 1: if he were going to wait, like I'll wait for 320 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:34,600 Speaker 1: you to open your eyes because I'm not going anywhere. 321 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:39,240 Speaker 1: And before I opened my eyes, eye instead chose to 322 00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:42,160 Speaker 1: say the name of Jesus to get him to leave. 323 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:46,520 Speaker 1: And you know, curiosity got the cat. That's it's me 324 00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:49,439 Speaker 1: because I'm like, wow, I can't believe he's so daring 325 00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:51,639 Speaker 1: to come and hang out like that. And I felt 326 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:55,080 Speaker 1: him prop his head up on his his elbow in 327 00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:58,640 Speaker 1: hand and sit there waiting for me to look at him. 328 00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:00,720 Speaker 1: And I was just like, because I was curious what 329 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:02,000 Speaker 1: he was he going to do? You know, what is 330 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:05,680 Speaker 1: it gonna do? And I apparently waited too long. I'm like, okay, 331 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:07,280 Speaker 1: you know, I'm I'm gonna get rid of him. Now 332 00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:09,679 Speaker 1: I'm gonna say his name, get out, and uh, I 333 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:13,480 Speaker 1: waited too long, and my mouth felt like peanut butter 334 00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:17,240 Speaker 1: was all in it. Like I'm like, oh, this is 335 00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:21,280 Speaker 1: hard to speak all of a sudden, and I couldn't 336 00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:24,720 Speaker 1: for the life of me move my mouth. But then 337 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:29,240 Speaker 1: eventually I got the word Jesus out and he was gone, 338 00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:34,520 Speaker 1: boom gone, and yeah, so powerful, powerful for me. But 339 00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:39,160 Speaker 1: but he waits for that acknowledgment. He wants that fear. 340 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:43,960 Speaker 1: He's not going to always scatter off and run. Oftentimes 341 00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:46,760 Speaker 1: he's hoping you get to see so you can report back. Hey, 342 00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:51,400 Speaker 1: this dude showed up again. He wants us to know him. 343 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:55,119 Speaker 1: He wants us to fear him, get close to him, 344 00:22:55,400 --> 00:23:01,199 Speaker 1: feel comfortable with him. Which is it first? He usually 345 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:05,240 Speaker 1: starts with getting people comfortable and then things escalate unfortunately, 346 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:09,280 Speaker 1: but wow, then it really confuses people, Like they get 347 00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:11,440 Speaker 1: all comfortable like, oh, he's a guardian, he's here for 348 00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:15,119 Speaker 1: my own well being, and then he reaches out and 349 00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:18,040 Speaker 1: smacks somebody and they're like, whoa, whoa that my buddy, 350 00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:21,080 Speaker 1: he's acting up. Why is that occurring? And it's like, look, 351 00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:24,760 Speaker 1: these are the layers of hat man. He has a 352 00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:29,120 Speaker 1: purpose for why he's there. He didn't come and knock 353 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:31,760 Speaker 1: on your door and say hello, I'm so and so 354 00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:35,120 Speaker 1: I'm going to be watching you and when your guard 355 00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:37,439 Speaker 1: is down it might give you some nightmares. No, no, no, 356 00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:41,119 Speaker 1: he really likes to mess with people on so many 357 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:46,240 Speaker 1: different levels. And uh, it's really disturbing. So here this child, 358 00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:50,240 Speaker 1: as a child, Ethan talks about this very physical thing 359 00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:53,680 Speaker 1: gets Upseeason there, and then another physical thing. He ends 360 00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:57,640 Speaker 1: up under his bed. I just get weird chills about 361 00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:01,880 Speaker 1: that part. Ends up under his bed and there's no exit, 362 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:05,920 Speaker 1: like he didn't crawl under their easily, Like there's something 363 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:08,520 Speaker 1: blocking both ends. So how did he end up in 364 00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:12,080 Speaker 1: the middle. It's almost as if he collapsed through the 365 00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:18,120 Speaker 1: bed and that's hat man, that's happen, and it's it's 366 00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:20,600 Speaker 1: so disturbing on so many different levels. It did that 367 00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:24,199 Speaker 1: feel like a guardian to Ethan. I'm curious because so 368 00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:26,359 Speaker 1: many people are like, well, the hat man I saw 369 00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:29,439 Speaker 1: is decent. This is kind of reminding me of the 370 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:32,919 Speaker 1: abducting alien beings who did horrible things to people, and 371 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:37,879 Speaker 1: those same alien beings suddenly they become people's friends because 372 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:42,240 Speaker 1: they taught him something neat. But I sat in those many, 373 00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:47,359 Speaker 1: many UFO alien abduction groups, and there met the people 374 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:49,960 Speaker 1: when I was on the road lecturing and speaking about 375 00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:51,600 Speaker 1: some of the things that were going on when it 376 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:57,359 Speaker 1: came to shadow people and aliens being connected, and those 377 00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:02,080 Speaker 1: people change. So oftentimes when people are feeling really comfortable 378 00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:04,080 Speaker 1: with hat Man and they're like, oh, you know, he's 379 00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:07,000 Speaker 1: my friend, he's there, and I think they're sometimes making 380 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:09,879 Speaker 1: the best out of a very strange situation, much like 381 00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:12,560 Speaker 1: those who have been abducted by alien beings and now 382 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:16,240 Speaker 1: feel like they're good guys. Um, they kind of paint 383 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:20,400 Speaker 1: this picture like it must be okay, because I surely 384 00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:23,919 Speaker 1: wouldn't be suffering like this endlessly and nobody's helping me 385 00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:26,479 Speaker 1: with this, so and now they're being nice. It's like 386 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:30,199 Speaker 1: it's like those abusive relationships you hear about and you wonder, like, 387 00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:33,800 Speaker 1: why doesn't the spouse leave their being abused, And they're like, 388 00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:35,560 Speaker 1: but we do have great times, you know, we do 389 00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:37,600 Speaker 1: have great times, and they hold onto those great times, 390 00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:41,760 Speaker 1: and then you have this situation where it's like, oh, okay, 391 00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:45,640 Speaker 1: this is dangerous, so yeah he's dangerous, and he'll make 392 00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:48,720 Speaker 1: nice and then he'll abuse you, and the abuse goes 393 00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:53,480 Speaker 1: to levels that can take your soul, so be careful. 394 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:57,800 Speaker 1: This is a very prime example of the escalation and 395 00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:02,359 Speaker 1: the many multiple layers of hat Man encounters. It is 396 00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:06,000 Speaker 1: not pleasant. So here's a five year old child getting 397 00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:10,440 Speaker 1: blankets ripped off their feet and feeling something cold grabbing them, 398 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:15,800 Speaker 1: and only with the introduction of a Bible things stopped happening. 399 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:19,280 Speaker 1: So what does that fear? They go after children who 400 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:24,600 Speaker 1: haven't established a good basis of I have this empowering, brighter, 401 00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:28,520 Speaker 1: lighter side, and my soul is important. When they get 402 00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:33,320 Speaker 1: that knowledge and the understanding that puts fear into potentially 403 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:38,800 Speaker 1: guardian hat Man, I don't think so. Um, yeah he 404 00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:42,200 Speaker 1: is no kind of guardian, okay, but yeah, put fear 405 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:46,840 Speaker 1: in him to back off. So I'm glad to hear that, Ethan. 406 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:51,200 Speaker 1: And uh yeah, it's a complicated thing to get something 407 00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:53,560 Speaker 1: solid lying in the bed with you and wondering what 408 00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:58,399 Speaker 1: on earth it's not there? When I look absolutely so 409 00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:03,359 Speaker 1: many layers to this whole phenomena at people like to think, well, 410 00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:07,639 Speaker 1: this is what A equals B and C and D. No, no, no, no, 411 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:11,639 Speaker 1: there are layers at we have to peel them down 412 00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:15,320 Speaker 1: and reveal them and compare notes in order to get 413 00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:19,680 Speaker 1: somewhere with this. 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Be a hero donate today, 442 00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:32,080 Speaker 1: visit red Cross dot Org or call Red Cross Welcome back. 443 00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:35,560 Speaker 1: You are listening to Dark Becomes Light with me Heidi 444 00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:38,720 Speaker 1: Hollis on the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast 445 00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:45,240 Speaker 1: AM Paranormal podcast network. Today's episode is all about you 446 00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:49,040 Speaker 1: and your experiences, and again I always welcome you to 447 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:52,560 Speaker 1: send in whatever it is that you've experienced, whether it's 448 00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:56,640 Speaker 1: your own research, your own experiences, if you have questions, 449 00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:59,920 Speaker 1: if you'd like some insight, This is what this program 450 00:29:59,920 --> 00:30:04,280 Speaker 1: is all about. This is actually my favorite part of 451 00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:08,480 Speaker 1: these shows are helping people who really don't have many 452 00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:11,000 Speaker 1: people who turn to I always say to people like, 453 00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:15,360 Speaker 1: imagine fighting for your life, crawling out from under your 454 00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:19,360 Speaker 1: bed like Ethan Diad and and saying something put me there. 455 00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:23,640 Speaker 1: I was trapped and having no one to be able 456 00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:30,360 Speaker 1: to even relate or even believe you. It's horrifying, absolutely horrifying. 457 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:34,280 Speaker 1: And I have been there where I've had really scary 458 00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:37,600 Speaker 1: things happen, and and the same is true for very 459 00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:42,920 Speaker 1: positive experiences. I've had encounters with angels, I've had encounters 460 00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:47,440 Speaker 1: with Jesus and just unbelievable things that I've written in 461 00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:50,640 Speaker 1: so many of my books because I didn't know where 462 00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:52,840 Speaker 1: else to put it, and I hoped that it would 463 00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:57,040 Speaker 1: help other people. And Lo and behold, shadow people and 464 00:30:57,120 --> 00:31:03,320 Speaker 1: hat Man have become a worldwide understanding thanks to my efforts, 465 00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:06,400 Speaker 1: and it's been something else. I tell you, it's been 466 00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:09,480 Speaker 1: quite a right. Who would ever think that this is 467 00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:13,239 Speaker 1: something that others could relate to. At the time, I 468 00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:15,600 Speaker 1: thought it was something in the future that people were 469 00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:18,800 Speaker 1: going to have problems with, And Lo and behold, it 470 00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:24,040 Speaker 1: was already extremely active and just keeps blowing my mind 471 00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:28,920 Speaker 1: every single day. Alright, So I've got another email here, 472 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:33,400 Speaker 1: and this one comes to us from Vincent, and he says, 473 00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:37,680 Speaker 1: I heard about your podcast on another podcast, and I 474 00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:42,320 Speaker 1: heard you talk about shadow people. Then I heard the 475 00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:46,880 Speaker 1: description about what your podcast was about, and I decided 476 00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:51,680 Speaker 1: to look you up. And as I did, I saw 477 00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:56,040 Speaker 1: the book that you wrote about the hat Man, and 478 00:31:56,120 --> 00:32:01,520 Speaker 1: immediately I felt shivers down my spine. And although I've 479 00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:05,320 Speaker 1: mentioned seeing him as a child to my family and 480 00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:10,320 Speaker 1: some friends as a fun ghost story, I never knew 481 00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:15,040 Speaker 1: other people had similar encounters. You guys. I get this 482 00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:18,960 Speaker 1: type of response all the time that people think that 483 00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:22,840 Speaker 1: they're alone in these things. And and like this, Vincent 484 00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:24,840 Speaker 1: is saying, you know, I just thought it was a 485 00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:27,360 Speaker 1: cool ghost story that I share with friends at times. 486 00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:31,920 Speaker 1: And and here's something that has just shocking still the 487 00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:36,080 Speaker 1: people that they're not the only ones that little horror 488 00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:39,280 Speaker 1: that they experienced so many years ago. They're not the 489 00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:45,440 Speaker 1: only ones. Okay, so they continue. I did know that 490 00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:51,440 Speaker 1: others who experienced quote sleep paralysis have seen and felt 491 00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:55,840 Speaker 1: the presence of these shadow people that you may be 492 00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:59,840 Speaker 1: an expert in. Oh yeah, yes, the word expert actually applies, 493 00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:03,800 Speaker 1: because no one knew what I was speaking of when 494 00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:06,520 Speaker 1: I put this out there and wrote the first book 495 00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:09,920 Speaker 1: on them. So, yeah, I know in the paranormal world. 496 00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:12,680 Speaker 1: I don't know why that scares people. Oh you can't 497 00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:15,880 Speaker 1: say you're an expert. Well I'm claiming it. I just 498 00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:19,320 Speaker 1: I don't know how how else to be, you know. Um, 499 00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:24,080 Speaker 1: it's like if you put to phenomenon on the world map, 500 00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:26,680 Speaker 1: I would say that you know what you're speaking of. 501 00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:31,480 Speaker 1: And again, I don't pull this knowledge from myself. This 502 00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:35,640 Speaker 1: information came by way of other beings that spoke to 503 00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:40,480 Speaker 1: myself and college roommate informing us about what shadow people 504 00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:44,520 Speaker 1: and hat Man were in our all right, um so, 505 00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:49,600 Speaker 1: and I should also say this whole like bringing forward 506 00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:53,960 Speaker 1: sleep paralysis to the world was the scientific counteraction to 507 00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:58,640 Speaker 1: uh my speaking of shadow people and what's going on? 508 00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:01,160 Speaker 1: Because I was connect the dots. I put it out 509 00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:06,520 Speaker 1: there like, hey, we're not all coincidentally seeing the same thing. 510 00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:10,319 Speaker 1: Give me a freaking break. Oh it's sleep paralysis. No, 511 00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:15,800 Speaker 1: I mean there is a scientific whoop de doo of that. Yeah, 512 00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:18,840 Speaker 1: it happens to people where it's like, Okay, your body 513 00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:20,960 Speaker 1: didn't quite wake up and you're a little bit frozen. 514 00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:26,360 Speaker 1: There is an epidemic of this. Okay, I'm certain it 515 00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:28,720 Speaker 1: has to be in the millions by now of people 516 00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:31,360 Speaker 1: who are seeing a man in a hat and a 517 00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:37,840 Speaker 1: suit upon having sleep paralysis explain that scientific community, they cannot. 518 00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:42,920 Speaker 1: It's demons, the devil and exactly who he says he is. 519 00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:46,319 Speaker 1: Um okay, So all right, I get off on my 520 00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:50,200 Speaker 1: tangents because these things are They're really infuriating because it 521 00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:54,000 Speaker 1: isolates people kind of like this whole UFO phenomenon that 522 00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:57,600 Speaker 1: we're pooh pooed and made to believe that these people 523 00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:02,080 Speaker 1: are nuts for reporting seeing these things flying in the air, 524 00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:04,960 Speaker 1: that they have no right trying to say it's a 525 00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:08,520 Speaker 1: UFO because they don't know what the government owns. The 526 00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:12,960 Speaker 1: government knew, they knew, and they let people suffer. They 527 00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:18,080 Speaker 1: let people suffer. That's not okay, that's not okay. And 528 00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:21,960 Speaker 1: I definitely feel that is the same thing going on 529 00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:26,040 Speaker 1: right now, slapping the title of sleep paralysis on a 530 00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:32,160 Speaker 1: very well known understanding of demonic forces that work right 531 00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:35,719 Speaker 1: alongside alien beings. Not all aliens, of course, you know, 532 00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:40,640 Speaker 1: not all, just the ones that intrude, experiment and cause 533 00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:45,560 Speaker 1: harm to people. And yeah, those ones. So these are 534 00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:48,560 Speaker 1: not good guys. These are not good guys in our government, 535 00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:51,799 Speaker 1: Trust me. They know a lot more than they are 536 00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:55,799 Speaker 1: letting on to trust that. Are you kidding me? Like 537 00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:59,960 Speaker 1: they wouldn't know that people are reporting that same type 538 00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:03,200 Speaker 1: of being showing up when they're frozen at night. I 539 00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:06,719 Speaker 1: am certain people in the government are experiencing this too, 540 00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:10,600 Speaker 1: because if anybody's welcomed darker forces at some of the 541 00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:13,600 Speaker 1: people who are pulling the strings in our government. Okay, 542 00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:17,920 Speaker 1: I said it all right to continue with this email. 543 00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:21,600 Speaker 1: They ask, are these two phenomena related. Well, yeah, I 544 00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:25,640 Speaker 1: actually spoke of that hat man is like kind of 545 00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:30,160 Speaker 1: the drug lord that is directing his little uh I 546 00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:34,160 Speaker 1: don't know, gophers, So shadow people are them, but he 547 00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:39,200 Speaker 1: also has other beasts that work for him because he 548 00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:43,600 Speaker 1: is the king of the worst and anything that you 549 00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:48,200 Speaker 1: can imagine that's just as bad almost that's what's underneath him. 550 00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:51,480 Speaker 1: So he directs shadow people. Yeah, those are his minions. 551 00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:55,399 Speaker 1: So they continue to say, I experienced this at such 552 00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:58,839 Speaker 1: a young age, around the age of five. What a coincidence. 553 00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:02,560 Speaker 1: Last person too, I believe it or not. That's very significant. 554 00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:04,960 Speaker 1: I get a lot of people who seem to have 555 00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:10,480 Speaker 1: their first experiences with these things at the age of five, Okay, 556 00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:17,720 Speaker 1: And they continue and I had to deal with suicidal thoughts, depression, anxiety, 557 00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:23,360 Speaker 1: and sleep paralysis starting around that time. Can you guys, 558 00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:27,520 Speaker 1: can you imagine this? This is a five year old? 559 00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:35,520 Speaker 1: A five year old? Why do you think these things happen? Uh? 560 00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:38,400 Speaker 1: Five years old? They should be happy, go lucky doing 561 00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:43,960 Speaker 1: what kids do, enjoy, explore, laugh, giggle, do all these 562 00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:47,520 Speaker 1: positive and good things and have their first experiences at 563 00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:51,239 Speaker 1: school making new friends. But this dark present comes in 564 00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:55,920 Speaker 1: right then, when children are starting to learn more officially 565 00:37:56,080 --> 00:38:01,200 Speaker 1: and gather support around them. Suicidal thoughts and depression and 566 00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:06,120 Speaker 1: anxiety at five this is just disgusting, Okay, And they say, 567 00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:10,800 Speaker 1: my last encounter was months ago with sleep paralysis, a 568 00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:15,600 Speaker 1: sleep paralysis demon. In fact, I saw their shadow on 569 00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:18,799 Speaker 1: a wall opposite of a window that cast it light 570 00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:22,960 Speaker 1: into my room. I felt it holding me down. I 571 00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:26,520 Speaker 1: mustered a little control of my arm and I had 572 00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:31,200 Speaker 1: to fling up pillow around me, telling it I was 573 00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:34,960 Speaker 1: not in the mood that morning, and proceeded to go 574 00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:39,880 Speaker 1: back to sleep. Doing this so nonchalantly made me laugh 575 00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:43,640 Speaker 1: when I finally did wake up, as if dismissing a 576 00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:48,600 Speaker 1: younger sibling that was interrupting a pleasant dream and I 577 00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:52,600 Speaker 1: believe this has happened due to some mental illness, but 578 00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:55,080 Speaker 1: I would love to hear your opinions on the subject 579 00:38:55,200 --> 00:39:00,200 Speaker 1: of these encounters. Thank you. Vincent. Wow, so you are 580 00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:04,600 Speaker 1: calling it a sleep paralysis demon. I have heard that term, actually, 581 00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:08,799 Speaker 1: and it's kind of one and the same. But sometimes 582 00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:15,440 Speaker 1: these shadowy looking creatures, people see other details like horns 583 00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:19,560 Speaker 1: on their heads, and this shape and bodies and this 584 00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:23,560 Speaker 1: casting of their image on the wall is a thing 585 00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:28,240 Speaker 1: people that was so common for me to get those emails, 586 00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:31,480 Speaker 1: especially back in the beginning when I first started talking 587 00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:35,000 Speaker 1: about this. People would wake up to feeling pressure on 588 00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:39,120 Speaker 1: their chest, feeling as if they were being choked, and 589 00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:41,040 Speaker 1: and they open their eyes and they don't see anything, 590 00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:42,759 Speaker 1: but you know how you can see a little light 591 00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:46,160 Speaker 1: in your room, or maybe a clock or something is 592 00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:49,480 Speaker 1: casting a shadow on the wall, or the moon is 593 00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:53,000 Speaker 1: and and they looked to their side and they see 594 00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:56,200 Speaker 1: there is a shadow of something on top of them 595 00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:59,680 Speaker 1: doing the choking. And sometimes it's like the head and 596 00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:04,920 Speaker 1: show they're looking shadow. And sometimes it's this these misshapen 597 00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:11,680 Speaker 1: creatures or or the old Hag or other wretched looking things. Um, yeah, 598 00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:15,480 Speaker 1: it's it's a thing, these shadow demons, and do I 599 00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:20,919 Speaker 1: think they work together with hat Man? Oh darn skippy. Yeah, yeah, 600 00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:24,120 Speaker 1: I really do relieve so because oh the things that 601 00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:27,799 Speaker 1: are staying alongside of him, nothing seems to surprise me 602 00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:33,640 Speaker 1: any longer. And uh, you know this, this is an 603 00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:38,120 Speaker 1: interesting email to me because what you're saying here about 604 00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:42,279 Speaker 1: how you grab this pillow and you're flinging it around 605 00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:44,960 Speaker 1: and you're like, you know, I'm tired, I don't want 606 00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:47,719 Speaker 1: to deal with this right now, And and when you 607 00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:52,000 Speaker 1: do wake up, it's like you're more yourself wondering did 608 00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:54,640 Speaker 1: I just have the nerve to do that? Did I 609 00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:58,399 Speaker 1: just do that? And people are always like I thought 610 00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:00,279 Speaker 1: I was awake, but then I really was a wake 611 00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:03,440 Speaker 1: and I just couldn't believe why I responded the way 612 00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:06,799 Speaker 1: that I did. That's something I could personally relate to. 613 00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:09,160 Speaker 1: And yeah, that is something that I do hear about 614 00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:14,640 Speaker 1: from others who have experienced shadow people, hat Man, Old Hay, 615 00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:19,880 Speaker 1: all these different things when it comes to those connecting quote, 616 00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:26,480 Speaker 1: sleep paralysis, night terror, shadow demon encounters. So I'll get 617 00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:29,800 Speaker 1: more into detail on that and share something After the break, 618 00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:33,879 Speaker 1: you guys, you are listening to dark becomes light with 619 00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:37,000 Speaker 1: me Heidi Hollis on the I Heart Radio and Coast 620 00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:40,640 Speaker 1: to Coast, a m paranormal podcast network, and we will 621 00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:48,640 Speaker 1: be right back. 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You are 660 00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:09,719 Speaker 1: listening to Dark Becomes Light with me, Heidi Hollis on 661 00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:13,759 Speaker 1: the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast and Paranormal 662 00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:18,960 Speaker 1: Podcast Network. Today's episode is all about you and your experiences. 663 00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:22,000 Speaker 1: And I am going through my emails of those who 664 00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:26,239 Speaker 1: have seen something, dealtless something, or know of something, or 665 00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:29,279 Speaker 1: research something, or just want to comment on what it 666 00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:32,359 Speaker 1: is that they feel is out there. So I just 667 00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:36,520 Speaker 1: read an email from Vincent, who was talking about his 668 00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:41,960 Speaker 1: peculiar behavior following an encounter of what he called a 669 00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:46,000 Speaker 1: sleep demon where he saw something holding him down and 670 00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:50,560 Speaker 1: he mustard the strength to move his arm and he 671 00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:53,759 Speaker 1: flung his pillow around, telling it he was not in 672 00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:57,000 Speaker 1: the mood and proceeded to go back to sleep. And 673 00:44:57,480 --> 00:45:00,759 Speaker 1: he's just really surprised of his behavior here and thought 674 00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:02,440 Speaker 1: it was kind of funny when you woke up, like 675 00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:05,280 Speaker 1: I can't believe I I did that, Like I shooted 676 00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:08,680 Speaker 1: away like a little sibling or something. And so I 677 00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:11,120 Speaker 1: thought I would share something with you. And I want 678 00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:14,040 Speaker 1: to first thank Vincent, thank you for writing in. And 679 00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:19,480 Speaker 1: I totally get it. I've acted strangely when I've been 680 00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:23,960 Speaker 1: around strange phenomena myself too, especially when you're in the 681 00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:27,279 Speaker 1: sleep state. I mean we're not ourselves, right. I mean, 682 00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:30,399 Speaker 1: these things come at us when our guard is down, 683 00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:33,799 Speaker 1: like I'm going to creep up. They're kind of in 684 00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:37,040 Speaker 1: this in between state and maybe I could communicate, or 685 00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:39,839 Speaker 1: maybe I could get some information on them, or maybe 686 00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:42,360 Speaker 1: I could pin them down when they're at their weakest moment. 687 00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:46,239 Speaker 1: They totally take advantage of these things. And so for myself, 688 00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:50,239 Speaker 1: I had several instances of this, but one of them 689 00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:53,040 Speaker 1: I think I've shared here on the program was I 690 00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:55,919 Speaker 1: woke up, Oh my gosh. I lived in this place 691 00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:59,399 Speaker 1: that was so haunted. I always had things going on 692 00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:03,560 Speaker 1: every single night, every single night, and things would call 693 00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:06,160 Speaker 1: my name. I'd see something. I look at a wall 694 00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:08,640 Speaker 1: in the wall wasn't there, and I'm looking into a 695 00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:11,759 Speaker 1: whole multiverse of things, and I'm like, what is going on? 696 00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:14,920 Speaker 1: And you know, this one night, I was exhausted, I 697 00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:20,080 Speaker 1: was so tired, and here comes something creeping around. And 698 00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:23,000 Speaker 1: I could always feel when something was around me, whether 699 00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:25,840 Speaker 1: I was asleep or not. And uh, and so my 700 00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:28,080 Speaker 1: eyes pop open because I know something's in the room. 701 00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:34,160 Speaker 1: And what do I see is this woman in this 702 00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:38,560 Speaker 1: old outfit. It's kind of off white, and it's gathered 703 00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:41,600 Speaker 1: in the center. It's a dress of some sort and 704 00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:45,560 Speaker 1: it almost looks like a I don't know, it's just 705 00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:48,200 Speaker 1: a old fashioned dress. I'm like, I keep trying to think, 706 00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:50,760 Speaker 1: like you know those old time like wearing an apron 707 00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:52,799 Speaker 1: type of thing. But it was an apron. This was 708 00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:58,120 Speaker 1: an actual dress. I saw her standing there really close, 709 00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:02,040 Speaker 1: like almost within our was reached where I could almost 710 00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:06,880 Speaker 1: touch her. Because I woke up, I saw her and 711 00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:11,640 Speaker 1: she had no head. She was just as solid as 712 00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:15,720 Speaker 1: you or I and had no head. And I was exhausted, 713 00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:20,240 Speaker 1: and I reached for her because I'm like, I am done, 714 00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:24,640 Speaker 1: I need to sleep. I reached for her to make 715 00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:27,920 Speaker 1: the Sign of the Cross on her. Literally, I'm like, 716 00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:32,680 Speaker 1: can Jesus name go away? And I mean I was 717 00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:35,360 Speaker 1: probably an inch or two from touching her dress. It 718 00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:39,680 Speaker 1: was just that close. And I did that. It took 719 00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:43,200 Speaker 1: several times for me to say it, and she slowly 720 00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:47,600 Speaker 1: faded away, and I was like, oh jeez, and I 721 00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:51,400 Speaker 1: rolled back over and I went to bed. And even 722 00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:55,640 Speaker 1: for myself, this was not typical behavior for me. If 723 00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:59,120 Speaker 1: I see something out of the ordinary, I don't care 724 00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:02,280 Speaker 1: what it is, I still get the he b gbs Okay, 725 00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:06,719 Speaker 1: I'm not one to scream or run necessarily about anything 726 00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:09,719 Speaker 1: like that, but I would at least jump up and 727 00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:12,640 Speaker 1: turn the lights on, you know, I mean, there's a 728 00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:17,960 Speaker 1: ghost woman in my room without a head, without a head. 729 00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:21,200 Speaker 1: But instead I rolled back over and went to sleep. 730 00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:25,919 Speaker 1: Like goodness, she faded and I don't know how much 731 00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:29,160 Speaker 1: time passed. I'm sitting there, sleeping in and I felt 732 00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:33,239 Speaker 1: the presence of something in the room again, and I 733 00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:39,640 Speaker 1: rolled over and I looked, and lo and behold, it 734 00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:43,480 Speaker 1: was just her head floating where it should have been 735 00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:48,279 Speaker 1: the first time. And I was just done. I was 736 00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:52,520 Speaker 1: just like, really, really, just ahead now, just the head. 737 00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:56,239 Speaker 1: I just rolled over in bed and totally ignored her. 738 00:48:56,719 --> 00:49:01,160 Speaker 1: I had to I needed sleep. And the next morning 739 00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:05,319 Speaker 1: I couldn't believe that was my behavior. I couldn't believe it. 740 00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:08,640 Speaker 1: I'm like, come on now, really, I know it was tired, 741 00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:12,600 Speaker 1: but really and and and that was the last straw 742 00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:15,120 Speaker 1: for me. It really was. And and it's like I 743 00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:18,400 Speaker 1: almost regret what I did next, because that next morning, 744 00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:21,839 Speaker 1: I went from corner to corner and I was just 745 00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:26,799 Speaker 1: talking out loud. I'm like, look, I do not care 746 00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:29,840 Speaker 1: why you're here. I don't care why you died. I 747 00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:31,840 Speaker 1: am not the one that's going to be here to 748 00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:36,080 Speaker 1: help you. Don't come to me, don't ask me. I 749 00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:38,520 Speaker 1: am just not going to do it. And I said, 750 00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:42,160 Speaker 1: tell your friends, put it out there to the universe. 751 00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:45,640 Speaker 1: I am not going to be that person. I just 752 00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:49,000 Speaker 1: put my ethereal foot down and I meant every word 753 00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:54,240 Speaker 1: of it, and I exuded my resentment of this headless 754 00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:57,880 Speaker 1: woman coming at me like that, just so solid, so solid, 755 00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:03,040 Speaker 1: I mean nightly, just nightly, these weird things and voices calling, 756 00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:06,719 Speaker 1: I mean, it was just too much. And so guess what, 757 00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:13,840 Speaker 1: guys that I was really really really surprised that it worked. Worked. 758 00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:18,759 Speaker 1: Things got quite at night where I could sleep, Things 759 00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:21,880 Speaker 1: weren't calling my name from the closet, things weren't moving 760 00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:25,799 Speaker 1: and changing and shifting and growling. I mean, all of 761 00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:31,879 Speaker 1: that finally really came to a slow But I'll tell 762 00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:36,040 Speaker 1: you something, when that type of thing slows on one end, 763 00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:39,879 Speaker 1: it slows on the other end too. So when I 764 00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:43,799 Speaker 1: said no to seeing these ghostly things and whatever was 765 00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:47,120 Speaker 1: going on in this place I was at the more positive, 766 00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:50,800 Speaker 1: things slowed down too, So the angelic encounters and whatnot, 767 00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:53,319 Speaker 1: they got kind of quieter. As well. So it's like 768 00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:57,640 Speaker 1: when you close off a portal that say, the same portal, 769 00:50:57,719 --> 00:51:00,160 Speaker 1: I guess that they all use to get next us 770 00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:02,960 Speaker 1: to you, or or they just kind of respected that 771 00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:06,640 Speaker 1: I needed sleep. I don't know, um that I needed 772 00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:09,720 Speaker 1: to not see things jumping in my view all the time. 773 00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:14,319 Speaker 1: I mean perhaps, um. And it's like again, I always say, 774 00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:16,799 Speaker 1: I'm not a psychic, I'm not a medium. I just 775 00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:19,839 Speaker 1: have a lot of bad look but I can't say 776 00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:27,839 Speaker 1: that it stopped everything. But I'd say a good of 777 00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:31,279 Speaker 1: it just really chilled out, and then I would get 778 00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:35,440 Speaker 1: those spontaneous things that just you know, got the element 779 00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:38,239 Speaker 1: of surprise on me because I wasn't anticipating because things 780 00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:41,600 Speaker 1: have been so silent for so long. So um. Yeah, 781 00:51:41,719 --> 00:51:44,760 Speaker 1: so it really you know, people say you can't close 782 00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:49,040 Speaker 1: these portals, your channel off or whatever it is that 783 00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:52,960 Speaker 1: opens us up. But I beg to differ because it 784 00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:56,360 Speaker 1: really did help me. Um. And you know, and I again, 785 00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:59,360 Speaker 1: like I said, I have some regrets because it closed 786 00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:02,080 Speaker 1: off even the positive coming at the level of that 787 00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:04,319 Speaker 1: it was at the time, But at the time I 788 00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:06,880 Speaker 1: really didn't care. I was really just kind of glad 789 00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:11,839 Speaker 1: things got quiet. Um. But yeah, but now I'm like, huh, 790 00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:14,239 Speaker 1: perhaps I shouldn't have done that. Maybe it was a 791 00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:17,879 Speaker 1: bit uh a bit much to put my foot down 792 00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:20,839 Speaker 1: the way that I did. But you know, things still 793 00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:23,920 Speaker 1: come my way, and the more interesting part for me, 794 00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:28,239 Speaker 1: things go through my friends and new acquaintances, even co 795 00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:31,520 Speaker 1: workers like hid I had the weirdest dream and it 796 00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:33,920 Speaker 1: and it's like, I'm supposed to tell you about it, 797 00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:36,520 Speaker 1: And for me, it's a message that I totally get 798 00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:39,319 Speaker 1: and I'm like, thank you, you know. So it doesn't 799 00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:44,440 Speaker 1: keep me up at night. It'll just sprinkle onto friends 800 00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:47,040 Speaker 1: and family and co workers and whatnot. So I find 801 00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:51,560 Speaker 1: that interesting. But now I'm like, okay, I'm I'm more 802 00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:55,040 Speaker 1: open and receptive to having some of these things go on, 803 00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:58,480 Speaker 1: but but I do block these more negative things. So 804 00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:01,960 Speaker 1: hat Man shadow people not welcome, no, um. But the 805 00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:06,080 Speaker 1: more positive things, yes, of course they're welcome. But again 806 00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:09,759 Speaker 1: I'm I've got a sliver open versus what I did 807 00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:13,840 Speaker 1: back then. But so Vincent getting back to your email, UM, 808 00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:17,520 Speaker 1: so that that other way that we react to these 809 00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:20,640 Speaker 1: things when our guard is down. I mean it's I 810 00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:23,799 Speaker 1: don't know, it's it's like a different strength, right, It's 811 00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:26,799 Speaker 1: a very different strength. It's a very different perspective I 812 00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:31,319 Speaker 1: think that we have sometimes when we're in the in between, right, 813 00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:35,160 Speaker 1: it's like, well, why did I do that? You know, 814 00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:40,000 Speaker 1: how could I tolerate that? Um? I really, I really 815 00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:44,160 Speaker 1: believe that there's this interesting strength that we all have 816 00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:48,440 Speaker 1: that can really really flip the table on these things 817 00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:53,319 Speaker 1: and uh literally even and not housewife style but um, 818 00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:59,320 Speaker 1: but really can flip the table on situations and and 819 00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:02,759 Speaker 1: they tap and try to pick out your vulnerabilities at 820 00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:05,720 Speaker 1: those stages though, too, which is a darn shame, because 821 00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:11,600 Speaker 1: those vulnerabilities can really, in that same space be our strengths. 822 00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:14,279 Speaker 1: And they're picking and they're picking, and they got their 823 00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:17,240 Speaker 1: finger in there and they're looking around and it's not cool. 824 00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:21,600 Speaker 1: But then sometimes we pop up with that strength and say, hey, 825 00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:23,920 Speaker 1: I'm kind of on the in between and you're something 826 00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:27,319 Speaker 1: from the in between, and I've got you, and I'm 827 00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:29,560 Speaker 1: going to take this pillow and I'm a nonchalantly shoot 828 00:54:29,560 --> 00:54:33,520 Speaker 1: you away like a bug. Um it's a strength to it. 829 00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:36,840 Speaker 1: Um My goodness, I heard this woman came at me 830 00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:40,880 Speaker 1: and I I tried to shoot her away with the 831 00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:43,440 Speaker 1: cross and that worked, and then she pops back with 832 00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:46,400 Speaker 1: just her floating head, and I did not feel it 833 00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:48,360 Speaker 1: was even worth my time to stand up and to 834 00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:50,920 Speaker 1: tell her to go and get my light turned on. 835 00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:53,239 Speaker 1: So what can you do? I wanted to say about it, 836 00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:55,799 Speaker 1: But you, guys, we have come to the bottom of 837 00:54:55,840 --> 00:54:59,120 Speaker 1: another wonderful show, and I want to remind you guys, 838 00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:02,719 Speaker 1: go to shadow folks dot com or Heidi Hollis dot 839 00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:05,920 Speaker 1: com and send me your stories, whatever it is that 840 00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:08,759 Speaker 1: you're experiencing out there, whatever you've researched. And again, if 841 00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:11,080 Speaker 1: you'd like to be a guest and share what it 842 00:55:11,120 --> 00:55:14,080 Speaker 1: is that you've experienced, those are always welcome. I don't 843 00:55:14,120 --> 00:55:17,040 Speaker 1: care how long your email is. I mean, people are like, 844 00:55:17,120 --> 00:55:20,239 Speaker 1: I'm so sorry my email is so long. But one 845 00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:22,520 Speaker 1: thing I asked, try to make sure that your sentences 846 00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:26,359 Speaker 1: are coherent, because sometimes it's really not easy to put 847 00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:29,799 Speaker 1: together what folks are trying to say, and if you 848 00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:32,759 Speaker 1: speak another language, put it through Google Translate. I've had 849 00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:37,160 Speaker 1: some really great emails and messages sent to me online 850 00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:40,480 Speaker 1: that the Google Translate does really good for that. Actually, 851 00:55:40,520 --> 00:55:44,800 Speaker 1: So yeah, um, you know, I am growing and learning 852 00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:48,040 Speaker 1: like the rest of you. Nobody has all the answers, uh, 853 00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:51,120 Speaker 1: you know, so I think that's, um, that's kind of 854 00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:54,879 Speaker 1: cool because then we find these answers and we put 855 00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:59,480 Speaker 1: them together and they make beautiful music sometimes, and UH 856 00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:02,120 Speaker 1: going to get there and we're going to show these 857 00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:04,719 Speaker 1: negative things the door. You just wait and see, and 858 00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:08,680 Speaker 1: this place is going to be awesome. You have been 859 00:56:08,760 --> 00:56:12,200 Speaker 1: listening to Dark Becomes Light with me Heidi Hollis on 860 00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:16,279 Speaker 1: the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal 861 00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:19,880 Speaker 1: Podcast Network, and we will catch you next time. Stay safe, 862 00:56:20,239 --> 00:56:29,399 Speaker 1: goodbye everybody. Well, if you liked this edition of Dark 863 00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:32,560 Speaker 1: Becomes Light, wait till you hear the next one. You've 864 00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:34,800 Speaker 1: been listening to the I Heart Radio and Coast to 865 00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:37,480 Speaker 1: Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network.