1 00:00:09,680 --> 00:00:12,280 Speaker 1: Welcome to Securing America with me, Frank Afney, the program 2 00:00:12,320 --> 00:00:14,640 Speaker 1: that's a kind of owner's manual for protecting the country 3 00:00:14,680 --> 00:00:18,720 Speaker 1: we love against all enemies foreign and domestic to the 4 00:00:18,720 --> 00:00:22,919 Speaker 1: glory of God and his Kingdom. Well, there are perturbations 5 00:00:23,079 --> 00:00:27,880 Speaker 1: in the Kingdom as I see it, notably as the 6 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:33,880 Speaker 1: forces of well Sharia supremacism for want of a better term, 7 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:40,640 Speaker 1: appear increasingly aggressive. And I'm not talking about in the 8 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:45,280 Speaker 1: Middle East, where of course that's a commonplace. I'm not 9 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:50,680 Speaker 1: even talking about Europe, where it is increasingly in evidence 10 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:56,720 Speaker 1: as well. I'm talking about this phenomenon being now manifest 11 00:00:56,960 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 1: inside the United States of America. Well, and a man 12 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:06,839 Speaker 1: who has spent much of his professional life fighting these guys, 13 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:12,080 Speaker 1: in some cases as a combat force reconnaissance marine, in 14 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:18,960 Speaker 1: some cases as a special agent of the FBI responsibility 15 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:23,840 Speaker 1: for counter terrorism, and most especially since he left public service, 16 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:30,640 Speaker 1: now operating under the banner of John Guandolo dot com, 17 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 1: our friend John Gundolo is working to try to both 18 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:44,000 Speaker 1: raise awareness about and provide the necessary training. Situational awareness, yes, 19 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:51,360 Speaker 1: but also practical steps for contending with the increasing aggressiveness 20 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:58,200 Speaker 1: of jihans in places like his now adopted state of Texas, 21 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 1: and we're anxious to catch up with him because it's 22 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:05,320 Speaker 1: not only of concern to all of us, not just 23 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:09,640 Speaker 1: those in Texas of course, but also the insights into 24 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:12,640 Speaker 1: what can be done about it are surpassingly important, and 25 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:15,360 Speaker 1: John provides them here every week, and we couldn't be 26 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:17,880 Speaker 1: more grateful to welcome in back. John. Thank you for 27 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 1: joining us once again. 28 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:22,920 Speaker 2: Thanks Frank for having me. As always, I appreciate the discussion. 29 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:28,640 Speaker 1: Yes, sir, let me start by saying, EPIC City is 30 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 1: a name that has become I think quite prominent now 31 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:36,400 Speaker 1: in Texas at least, I'm not so sure elsewhere across 32 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 1: the country. Just yet, remind us what that is, who's 33 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 1: behind it, what it's you know, founders are seeking to accomplish, 34 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:53,880 Speaker 1: and why it's important again not just for Texas but 35 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:56,799 Speaker 1: for the rest of us as well. 36 00:02:57,080 --> 00:03:00,080 Speaker 2: So that's a great place to start the discussion. The 37 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 2: EPIC stands for the East Plano Islamic Center epi C, 38 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:11,000 Speaker 2: and that is in Plano, Texas, which is for those 39 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:14,280 Speaker 2: people not aware, it's on the it's north due north 40 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:20,480 Speaker 2: of Dallas and the Mosque and Islamic Center Mosque Maggia. 41 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:23,799 Speaker 2: Those are all the same thing. It's a mosque and 42 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:29,480 Speaker 2: it is a Jahati mosque, which is led by a 43 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 2: guy named Yasserkati. And Yasserkati, interestingly, prior to being here 44 00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:39,440 Speaker 2: in Texas, he was in Tennessee, and he was the 45 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:43,240 Speaker 2: first Muslim brotherhood leader that I looked at when I 46 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:47,000 Speaker 2: was in the FBI for a number of reasons. He 47 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 2: came across my plate prominently, and so I followed him. 48 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:56,560 Speaker 2: And when he moved to Texas, I on interviews and 49 00:03:56,640 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 2: within my circles of influence said, this is a problem 50 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:03,520 Speaker 2: because it's indicative that they are now ready to shift 51 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:07,480 Speaker 2: their focus to Texas because they had done what they 52 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 2: needed to do in Memphis and Nashville, which is as 53 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:16,440 Speaker 2: I assessed, they had taken those cities the Jihadis and 54 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:20,160 Speaker 2: the communists in their joint effort, and they'd moved to Texas. 55 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 2: So Epic City is one of seven areas in that 56 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:32,719 Speaker 2: area of Plano where they're building communities. 57 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:33,000 Speaker 1: Now. 58 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:38,240 Speaker 2: Epic is on the radar most prominently because it's four 59 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 2: hundred and two acres of planned Muslim community that will 60 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 2: be a Muslim city where Sharia will be adjudicated and 61 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 2: I just want to make something when you. 62 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:54,160 Speaker 1: Say that, John, is that something that is actually a 63 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 1: matter of record or is that your projection as to 64 00:04:58,040 --> 00:04:58,680 Speaker 1: what this will like? 65 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:01,400 Speaker 2: No, No, this as a matter of record. I mean, first 66 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:03,799 Speaker 2: of all, you know you asked this part of your question, 67 00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:07,359 Speaker 2: who are the people behind it? And Yasserkati isn't just 68 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:12,239 Speaker 2: some guy. Yaserkati is the chairman of the Feak Council 69 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:16,600 Speaker 2: of North America, which per evidence in the largest terrorism 70 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:18,360 Speaker 2: financing trial in American. 71 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 1: History, that is Dallas, Texas. 72 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 2: In Dallas, Texas, by the way, you know, the Freak 73 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:30,039 Speaker 2: Council is a Muslim brotherhood organization whose purpose is to 74 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:34,280 Speaker 2: ensure the Islamic movement in the United States complies with 75 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:38,200 Speaker 2: sure it. So that is what we have in the 76 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:39,400 Speaker 2: North end of Texas. 77 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 1: And it's sufficient to say it is a very influential 78 00:05:43,279 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 1: part of this Muslim brotherhood apparatus. Yes, because it is essentially, 79 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 1: as you say, assuring conformity to this doctrine that they 80 00:05:55,760 --> 00:05:56,400 Speaker 1: call Sharia. 81 00:05:57,200 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 2: That's right, and it's really important I think at the 82 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:03,000 Speaker 2: front end, at the front end of this discussion, I 83 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:09,080 Speaker 2: think it's important to maybe remind your audience that Sharia 84 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:14,760 Speaker 2: requires the Islamic community to tell the non Muslim community 85 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:17,560 Speaker 2: what they're doing. It's the reason they scream Ala walk 86 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:22,960 Speaker 2: bar before they kill you. It's the last chance for 87 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:26,920 Speaker 2: them to announce themselves as jihatis. The reason that they 88 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:32,000 Speaker 2: are so overt now is because they believe they're winning 89 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:36,960 Speaker 2: and there at the end of the battle. From their perspective, 90 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:41,719 Speaker 2: they're being so in your face, which is shocking a 91 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 2: lot of people in Texas as well as people outside 92 00:06:44,640 --> 00:06:47,280 Speaker 2: of Texas that are following the story. But I will 93 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:50,320 Speaker 2: say there are a number of people here in Texas 94 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 2: that are not aware of what's going on, and what 95 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:56,599 Speaker 2: we're trying to do is get them to understand. So 96 00:06:56,640 --> 00:06:59,120 Speaker 2: people like you and I and people on the ground 97 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:02,440 Speaker 2: in Texas that have been working this for quite a 98 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:05,920 Speaker 2: while are well aware of this, but there's a large 99 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:09,480 Speaker 2: portion of the population that is still you know, they're 100 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:11,560 Speaker 2: taking care of their families, are going to work, they're 101 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:14,560 Speaker 2: doing their things, and we are trying to work to 102 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:17,559 Speaker 2: open their eyes that this is going on right now. 103 00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 1: Well, bless you for doing that. Needless to say, this 104 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:25,680 Speaker 1: is all the more important, John, because of what's been 105 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 1: going on in the state legislature of late in which, 106 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:35,200 Speaker 1: as I understand it, recently the House of Representatives there 107 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:43,160 Speaker 1: adopted legislation that indicated that local communities couldn't interfere with 108 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:47,280 Speaker 1: the decisions of the state, I guess or others to 109 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 1: enable this kind of construction development to take place. Have 110 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:55,440 Speaker 1: I got that right? And how on earth is that 111 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 1: playing out? 112 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:04,080 Speaker 2: It's interesting. I always have a concern when we want 113 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:07,440 Speaker 2: to fix some of these issues with legislation, when the 114 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 2: Constitution of Texas and the Constitution of the United States 115 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:15,120 Speaker 2: are very clear. The Governor of Texas has brought authority, 116 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:19,520 Speaker 2: and I quite frankly do not trust anything that Texas 117 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:25,760 Speaker 2: legislature has been doing, you know, creating this you know, 118 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:30,720 Speaker 2: Pakistani Day and passing laws to support halal food, which 119 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:34,559 Speaker 2: is part of Sharia. It's just it's it's been a disaster, 120 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:39,199 Speaker 2: and so instead of creating new laws, I would love 121 00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:44,520 Speaker 2: to see the Constitution of Texas and the laws of 122 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:46,880 Speaker 2: Texas that are already on the books, and the Constitution 123 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:48,840 Speaker 2: of the United States defended. 124 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:52,520 Speaker 1: Honestly, you know, some years ago, and I think you 125 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:55,680 Speaker 1: were involved in it, if I'm not mistaken, our team 126 00:08:55,760 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 1: certainly was. There was a legislation adopted called the American 127 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:05,440 Speaker 1: Laws for American Courts or some version of that. The 128 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:09,960 Speaker 1: point being that actually we have a constitution, as you 129 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:13,600 Speaker 1: keep pointing out, John, and Sharia is not the law 130 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:18,160 Speaker 1: of the land because of the supremacy of that constitution, 131 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:21,640 Speaker 1: and that was it was somewhat watered down from the 132 00:09:21,679 --> 00:09:24,360 Speaker 1: original language. We have to take a short break, but 133 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 1: when we come back, I'd like to get your thoughts 134 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:34,280 Speaker 1: on what that's about, whether that statute is now being ignored, 135 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 1: something needs to be done to bee fit up. John 136 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 1: Oidola's in the house. Stay mfus will be right back. 137 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:05,720 Speaker 1: Welcome back, and again welcome to our very special guest, 138 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:11,839 Speaker 1: John Guandola, a man of considering considerable accomplishment and extraordinary 139 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:17,680 Speaker 1: insight into the enemy within problem that he confronted as 140 00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:21,600 Speaker 1: a special agent in the FBI and is now working 141 00:10:21,679 --> 00:10:27,360 Speaker 1: to counter with your help folks at John Guandola dot com. John, 142 00:10:27,400 --> 00:10:29,280 Speaker 1: we were talking a little bit about this law and 143 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:33,000 Speaker 1: the books that just tries in its way to make 144 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:41,680 Speaker 1: the well obvious point that in America, our laws pursuant 145 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:45,400 Speaker 1: to the Constitution of the United States apply, not Sharia, 146 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:50,760 Speaker 1: or for that matter, any other foreign law that is designed, frankly, 147 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:53,040 Speaker 1: as in the case of Sharia, as you know, to 148 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:58,040 Speaker 1: subvert the Constitution, to replace the Constitution, to establish an 149 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:04,840 Speaker 1: Islamic form of government under SHIREA. Can you update us 150 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:07,480 Speaker 1: on what the thought is about all of that. In Texas, 151 00:11:08,120 --> 00:11:10,960 Speaker 1: You've made clear your fidelity to the Constitution. You like 152 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:14,360 Speaker 1: I have sworn the oaths to support and defend it 153 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:20,079 Speaker 1: on many many occasions. So did the lawmakers in Texas 154 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:23,280 Speaker 1: the last time I checked. What's up with American laws 155 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:24,240 Speaker 1: for American courts there? 156 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:28,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, So this is a really I think this may 157 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 2: may be the most important question because the you know, 158 00:11:36,559 --> 00:11:40,960 Speaker 2: this movement, the jihadi movement, the Islamic movement, and we'll 159 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 2: just keep it to Texas, but if we talk about 160 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:48,559 Speaker 2: it more broadly in the United States, they have defined it, 161 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:53,400 Speaker 2: the people behind it have defined it as an effort 162 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:59,000 Speaker 2: to establish an Islamic state in the United States governed 163 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:05,440 Speaker 2: by real law sharia. So that opens up real federal law, 164 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:09,080 Speaker 2: real state law here in Texas, because under this edition 165 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:13,080 Speaker 2: laws in Texas, it's a state felony to conspire to 166 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:18,080 Speaker 2: overthrow the state government, which this movement does, including the 167 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:19,880 Speaker 2: leadership of EPIC and epic city. 168 00:12:21,080 --> 00:12:24,360 Speaker 1: And when I know you use these terms advisedly because 169 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:27,960 Speaker 1: you've been in the business of having to enforce the 170 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:33,199 Speaker 1: laws on things like sedition. And I'm misvacably you mentioned 171 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:36,319 Speaker 1: the Holy Land Foundation trial. That was one of the 172 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:39,280 Speaker 1: upshots of it. It was not just financing Hamas, it 173 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:43,520 Speaker 1: was making clear of the agenda these Shari's supremacists. But John, 174 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:49,360 Speaker 1: would you use the term conspire to subvert or overthrow 175 00:12:49,640 --> 00:12:52,720 Speaker 1: the government of the State of Texas. Is that something 176 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:54,120 Speaker 1: that could be prosecuted? 177 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:58,960 Speaker 2: It has been prosecuted. It wasn't you know these things. 178 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:02,880 Speaker 2: We prosecuted people for this. It's why it's on the law. 179 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:05,120 Speaker 2: It's a you know, I. 180 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:07,680 Speaker 1: Mean simply in the case here of is the evidence 181 00:13:08,280 --> 00:13:10,360 Speaker 1: sufficient to absolutely prosecution? 182 00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:12,920 Speaker 2: Absolutely? As a matter of fact, you could wrap up 183 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:19,000 Speaker 2: the most you know, prominent Islamic organizations in the United States, 184 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:23,400 Speaker 2: US Council Muslim organizations, I'm exciting North American Muslim American Society, 185 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:28,320 Speaker 2: Muslim Student Association, care IGNA, all the rest of them, 186 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:31,280 Speaker 2: because they are we have the evidence. There's not a 187 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:34,240 Speaker 2: lack of evidence, and there there shouldn't be a lack 188 00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:37,960 Speaker 2: of understanding of federal and state law in Texas. And so, 189 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:41,480 Speaker 2: you know, the thing that's funny about this movement, you 190 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:45,680 Speaker 2: and specifically about a LAC American laws for American courts. 191 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:51,880 Speaker 2: There should have been where states actually function under the constitution, 192 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:54,920 Speaker 2: under the law, there's no need for a LAC. But 193 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:57,240 Speaker 2: we had to do it, and states had to do it. 194 00:13:57,280 --> 00:14:00,679 Speaker 2: And you and I and colleagues of ours met with 195 00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:04,760 Speaker 2: and briefed and spoke with state leadership of state legislatures 196 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:10,400 Speaker 2: around the country, numerous groups of leaders of state legislators 197 00:14:10,400 --> 00:14:13,640 Speaker 2: that I met with over the years in numerous states 198 00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:16,079 Speaker 2: to get them to understand why the law was important. 199 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:20,960 Speaker 2: But it should have been unnecessary to say that the 200 00:14:21,080 --> 00:14:24,840 Speaker 2: US Constitution and the state constitution of whatever state you're in, 201 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:32,000 Speaker 2: has precedence over fill in the blank, but certainly over 202 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:35,320 Speaker 2: Sharia law, which is barbaric and has no place in 203 00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:38,080 Speaker 2: America or any other civilized society. 204 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:43,760 Speaker 1: And again, the reason that we mounted a campaign to 205 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:48,520 Speaker 1: try to make sure that this obvious state of affairs 206 00:14:48,760 --> 00:14:55,520 Speaker 1: was reinforced was precisely because these various groups you rattled 207 00:14:55,520 --> 00:14:58,840 Speaker 1: off a whole bunch of the Muslim brotherhoods apparatus in 208 00:14:58,880 --> 00:15:04,320 Speaker 1: the United States, they were busily trying in their way 209 00:15:04,600 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 1: to insinuate Sharia, whether it's Sharia finance or Sharia courts 210 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:15,680 Speaker 1: or Sharia practices in other fashions. And John, I just 211 00:15:15,720 --> 00:15:18,800 Speaker 1: wanted to say again you and I have discussed this 212 00:15:18,920 --> 00:15:24,800 Speaker 1: on countless occasions, but it's my recollection that the kind 213 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:30,880 Speaker 1: of prosecution you're talking about was actually contemplated as a 214 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:35,320 Speaker 1: second phase of the Holy Land Foundation prosecution. They got 215 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:39,640 Speaker 1: the five ringleaders of that so called charity working from us. 216 00:15:39,760 --> 00:15:42,760 Speaker 1: But is it correct that there was a plan to 217 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:48,040 Speaker 1: actually go after some at least of those folks who 218 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:53,240 Speaker 1: were recognized as unindicted co conspirators in the trial. 219 00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:59,680 Speaker 2: Yes, so you had over three hundred individuals and organizations named, 220 00:16:01,160 --> 00:16:03,960 Speaker 2: I mean the trial. And to remind your audience, the 221 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:07,080 Speaker 2: Holy Land Foundation for Relief and Development was the largest 222 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:10,640 Speaker 2: Islamic charity in America, and it was a terrorist organization. 223 00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:14,320 Speaker 2: It was a Hamas organization. That is a data point 224 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:17,680 Speaker 2: that should not be lost in the mix of this discussion. 225 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:23,840 Speaker 2: But the case Holy Land itself and its leaders you 226 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:27,160 Speaker 2: just mentioned were convicted in November two thousand and eight. 227 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:31,000 Speaker 2: So it's November. You have Thanksgiving, you have Christmas, you 228 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:34,400 Speaker 2: have New year's The case agents and the prosecutors came 229 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:38,120 Speaker 2: back in the winter January of two thousand and nine 230 00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:44,080 Speaker 2: and for six months worked on a case to indict 231 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:48,160 Speaker 2: Omar Akhmad, the chairman emeritus of the Council of American 232 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:55,280 Speaker 2: Islamic Relations, a HAMAS organization, in pursuit of indicting Care 233 00:16:55,560 --> 00:17:00,480 Speaker 2: doing business as Hamas or Hamas doing businesses Care more accurately. 234 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:04,159 Speaker 1: Argue, we're the most prominent, certainly one of the most 235 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:08,200 Speaker 1: aggressive of these Muslim brotherhood fronts. That's right, and what's 236 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:10,960 Speaker 1: exactly right blocks from the capital. 237 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:15,120 Speaker 2: That's right. And they, the case agents and the prosecutors, 238 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:18,399 Speaker 2: their case, after doing approximately six months at work, was 239 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:23,000 Speaker 2: shut down by Arik Holder. And none of these hostile 240 00:17:23,080 --> 00:17:27,239 Speaker 2: organizations and individuals have been pursued since then because they 241 00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:30,879 Speaker 2: certainly were not going to be pursued during the Obama administration. 242 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:33,879 Speaker 2: And then mister Trump came in and never picked up 243 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:35,919 Speaker 2: the mantle. And then of course mister Biden came in 244 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:38,920 Speaker 2: and continued helping Hamas and the Muslim brotherhood. 245 00:17:39,160 --> 00:17:44,800 Speaker 1: Yeah. You know, actually, our friend Steve Bennen frequently will 246 00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:52,399 Speaker 1: remind his listeners at War Room that he tried as 247 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:56,359 Speaker 1: at the time, the chief strategist for President Trump in 248 00:17:56,400 --> 00:18:00,439 Speaker 1: the first administration to designate the Muslim Brotherhood as a 249 00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:03,959 Speaker 1: terrorist organization with something the President has pledged to do 250 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:06,680 Speaker 1: in the course of the campaign. Steve understood full well, 251 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:09,120 Speaker 1: as I guess the President did too, that it had 252 00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:12,800 Speaker 1: to be done because there were these hostile elements inside 253 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:16,439 Speaker 1: our country. And Steve said, you know, he just couldn't 254 00:18:16,440 --> 00:18:20,240 Speaker 1: get anywhere with that effort, shut down at every turn, 255 00:18:21,320 --> 00:18:24,080 Speaker 1: with folks in the Pentagon and folks at the State 256 00:18:24,119 --> 00:18:27,440 Speaker 1: Department and elsewhere, you know, insisting that you couldn't do that. 257 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:31,159 Speaker 1: And why would that be, John, Why would it be 258 00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:34,080 Speaker 1: that there would be that kind of vociferous pushback? 259 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:39,680 Speaker 2: Would you say, Well, so, if you look at the 260 00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:44,040 Speaker 2: growth of the penetration and the subversion inside the federal 261 00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:48,240 Speaker 2: government in all those institutions you just mentioned, and more 262 00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:52,639 Speaker 2: by the Muslim brother and the broader Islamic movement, the 263 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:57,679 Speaker 2: Iranian elements as well, it is significant. And the fact 264 00:18:57,840 --> 00:19:02,080 Speaker 2: that designating the Muslim brother I encourage people pull up 265 00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:05,040 Speaker 2: either one of the bills, the House bill or centered 266 00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:12,240 Speaker 2: or Cruise's bill for designating the Muslim Brotherhood a terrorist organization, 267 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:17,000 Speaker 2: and the evidence is overwhelming and their participants, and. 268 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:19,040 Speaker 1: Some of it is laid out in that bill, of course, 269 00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:23,400 Speaker 1: is absolutely but unfortunately neither of them have gone anywhere. 270 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:26,000 Speaker 1: I don't think that they have been even reintroduced in 271 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:28,360 Speaker 1: this session. They have not, and we have to talk 272 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:30,000 Speaker 1: a little bit more about this on the other side 273 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:33,000 Speaker 1: of our funnel break with John Gandola. Stay tuned, folks, 274 00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:57,480 Speaker 1: welcome back, and this is going to be a very 275 00:19:57,520 --> 00:19:59,919 Speaker 1: bracing part of our conversation. If you have an or 276 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:04,359 Speaker 1: we've found what John Guendola has shared to this point 277 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:09,960 Speaker 1: to be unsettling, Well you're not paying attention, and I'm 278 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:13,359 Speaker 1: sure you are. But what we're going to discuss next 279 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:17,480 Speaker 1: as soon as we wrap up sort of John's current 280 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:21,159 Speaker 1: assessment of the importance of designating the Muslim Brotherhood as 281 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:25,800 Speaker 1: a terrorist organization or otherwise rolling up its operations. Why 282 00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:32,320 Speaker 1: all this bears considerable urgency in terms of the attention 283 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:36,720 Speaker 1: we give it because of plans that seem to be 284 00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:41,719 Speaker 1: now in the offering for a new phase of the 285 00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:46,200 Speaker 1: activity of the Islamists and yes, as John mentioned, their 286 00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:50,600 Speaker 1: communist allies. So John, just to tie off the issue 287 00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:55,520 Speaker 1: of why is it we haven't done more to contend 288 00:20:55,600 --> 00:21:01,280 Speaker 1: with what these groups that are part of an organization 289 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:06,160 Speaker 1: that you and I talk about endlessly. This explanatory memorandum 290 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:11,240 Speaker 1: describes the mission of the Muslim Brotherhood in North America 291 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:18,560 Speaker 1: as quote, destroying Western civilization from within at the hands 292 00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:23,120 Speaker 1: of the believers excuse me, the unbelievers us as well 293 00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:28,080 Speaker 1: as the believers in Islam shuri. And so it couldn't 294 00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:31,600 Speaker 1: be more clear. This is the playbooks introduced into evidence 295 00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:36,240 Speaker 1: in that Holy Land Foundation trial, discovered in a secret 296 00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:40,239 Speaker 1: archive of the Muslim Brotherhood that, as it happens, as 297 00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:44,920 Speaker 1: I understand it, your own team at the FBI tumbled upon. 298 00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:48,760 Speaker 1: So we're onnotice about all of this, and I just 299 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:52,879 Speaker 1: want you to say quick word about why isn't it 300 00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:57,480 Speaker 1: now high time pastime? Arguably, but certainly no more time 301 00:21:57,520 --> 00:22:00,480 Speaker 1: should be allowed to run on rolling these eyes up. 302 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:07,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, this is a great finale to this morning's discussion. 303 00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:10,960 Speaker 2: I always tell people, if it's ten o'clock at night 304 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:14,560 Speaker 2: and you're at the ATM and someone walks up behind 305 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:16,399 Speaker 2: you and says, I have a gun, give me your 306 00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 2: money or I'll shoot you, probably a good idea to 307 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:24,880 Speaker 2: believe them and act accordingly. They have been telling us 308 00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:29,239 Speaker 2: that for decades, and our leaders keep telling us, well, 309 00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:33,679 Speaker 2: they don't mean it, so just ignore it. You know. 310 00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:38,680 Speaker 2: It's likening it to having stage cancer and the doctor saying, 311 00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:41,600 Speaker 2: here's what we can actually do something productive here, here's 312 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:43,760 Speaker 2: what we need to do, and you're saying, well, I'm 313 00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:45,440 Speaker 2: going to act as if I don't have cancer. 314 00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:49,000 Speaker 1: What you've brought to this, which I value so much, 315 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:54,000 Speaker 1: is you're pointing out not just their rhetoric. You're pointing 316 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:58,520 Speaker 1: out what they've been doing to get themselves to use 317 00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:04,359 Speaker 1: your analogy behind you with something hard poking in your back, 318 00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:09,560 Speaker 1: the actions in other words, that that you know, conform 319 00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:12,720 Speaker 1: to the rhetoric. Yes, but it's both, isn't it that 320 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:16,399 Speaker 1: makes this well such a travesty that more hasn't been 321 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:17,399 Speaker 1: done to counter it. 322 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:24,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's treasonous, that certainly criminal, criminally negligent, 323 00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:27,520 Speaker 2: what American leaders at the local, state, and federal level 324 00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:29,200 Speaker 2: have done for the last twenty five years. 325 00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:30,400 Speaker 1: I think. 326 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:37,439 Speaker 2: If we look at it, because your comparison to it 327 00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:42,000 Speaker 2: being their doctrine, their their published strategy versus just mere rhetoric, 328 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:46,440 Speaker 2: is exactly right, because they have published doctrine and published 329 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:50,960 Speaker 2: strategy which we can track for the last sixty years 330 00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:54,960 Speaker 2: that they are literally following, and every time they publish 331 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:58,680 Speaker 2: something new, we well, okay, here they are, and now 332 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:03,920 Speaker 2: they're doing it. They they published a strategy doctrine, which 333 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:07,440 Speaker 2: was a proposed doctrine in nineteen ninety one, and then 334 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:11,040 Speaker 2: we see when they publish their implementation manual in nineteen 335 00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:16,480 Speaker 2: ninety two, which requires the creation of numerous organizations. We 336 00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:21,200 Speaker 2: see each year they begin creating somewhere between eighty and 337 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:26,000 Speaker 2: one hundred and twenty organizations a year moving forward, and 338 00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:29,920 Speaker 2: they build this massive network over the last thirty plus 339 00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:34,720 Speaker 2: years in the United States that works at all levels, 340 00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:37,679 Speaker 2: and they have hundreds of lines of operation at the 341 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:43,679 Speaker 2: federal governmental level, state governmental level, county governmental level, city 342 00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:48,720 Speaker 2: city governmental level. In education, in the elementary schools, junior highs, 343 00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:53,199 Speaker 2: high schools, colleges, you know, master's degrees, doctorate degrees, and 344 00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:57,440 Speaker 2: all across the board. In the political realm, in twenty fourteen, 345 00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:01,359 Speaker 2: they create the US Council Muslim Organizations to be the 346 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:05,480 Speaker 2: leading political harm They're in the media. My god, they've 347 00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:08,399 Speaker 2: got an organization out in Hollywood that makes sure that 348 00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:11,679 Speaker 2: Hollywood doesn't do anything. They don't like and it's effective 349 00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:14,760 Speaker 2: and people take in need of these I means their 350 00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:20,719 Speaker 2: operation is so complete and for people to say, come on, 351 00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:27,240 Speaker 2: this is hyperbolic. Those people are either dumb, nefarious, or 352 00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:31,120 Speaker 2: they don't have the wherewithal physically and mentally to actually 353 00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:35,639 Speaker 2: comprehend truth and facts. So yes, I agree with you. 354 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:39,040 Speaker 2: We are at the point where we're almost out of 355 00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:41,719 Speaker 2: options on how to deal with this. 356 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:44,920 Speaker 1: You know, I would take some comfort if it were 357 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:47,760 Speaker 1: actually the case that you could write this all off 358 00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:50,800 Speaker 1: is just stupidity. I mean, that's not a good thing 359 00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:54,199 Speaker 1: if you've got stupid people that you have entrusted with 360 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:58,840 Speaker 1: running your country. But John, I do feel as though 361 00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:03,800 Speaker 1: there is well it's been called willful blindness by our 362 00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:09,159 Speaker 1: friend Andy McCarthy. There's something else operating here. There's a 363 00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:14,520 Speaker 1: refusal to acknowledge what you point out and documented so 364 00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:18,879 Speaker 1: faithfully for so many years, including in books like Raising 365 00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:26,960 Speaker 1: a Geoti Generation. I want to ask you you have 366 00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:29,800 Speaker 1: been warning on this program and elsewhere for some time 367 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:40,320 Speaker 1: that there's evidence that some in this Charida supremacist community 368 00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:45,560 Speaker 1: are pressing to take all of this to the next level, 369 00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:52,359 Speaker 1: to go kinetic word in the military sense, where do 370 00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:56,600 Speaker 1: you think that stands at the moment, and how should 371 00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:59,440 Speaker 1: we be preparing to contend with that possibility? 372 00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:05,199 Speaker 2: Sir, so, I got this question last night in a 373 00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:08,520 Speaker 2: very lengthy two and a half hour X space that 374 00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:11,320 Speaker 2: I did that turned into a fantastic discussion with quite 375 00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:13,919 Speaker 2: a lot of people. And I want to answer it 376 00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:15,960 Speaker 2: the way I answered it then, because it's how I feel. 377 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:20,560 Speaker 2: I think everybody should be preparing individually, as a family 378 00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:25,440 Speaker 2: and as a community. And you need to prepare yourself, 379 00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:28,200 Speaker 2: I believe I encourage people, maybe it is a better 380 00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:32,000 Speaker 2: way to say it, to prepare you know, mentally, morally, physically, 381 00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:35,359 Speaker 2: and spiritually for the war that is about to unfold. 382 00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:40,600 Speaker 2: And you know, I think it's a perception issue that 383 00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:45,160 Speaker 2: we struggle with. We don't understand that we're in a war, 384 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:47,240 Speaker 2: that we're losing a war, that the war is much 385 00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:52,560 Speaker 2: more advanced and at much later stages than we understand, 386 00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:56,400 Speaker 2: because we don't most people don't understand the war itself 387 00:27:56,800 --> 00:28:01,159 Speaker 2: because we don't see planes flying over dropping on American cities, 388 00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:04,160 Speaker 2: or we don't see groups of one hundred Muslims running 389 00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:08,840 Speaker 2: through the streets with guns. Well, but to your point 390 00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:13,639 Speaker 2: number one, there is a significant battle inside the Muslim 391 00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:18,760 Speaker 2: community between the leadership of the movement and the communities 392 00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:25,160 Speaker 2: in places like Dallas, like Chicago, like Nashville, like Los Angeles, 393 00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:28,960 Speaker 2: where the community wants to raise the black flag over 394 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:34,520 Speaker 2: the mosque and start lopping people's heads off, and the brotherhood. 395 00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:37,080 Speaker 1: Now, could I just ask you to teaze that out 396 00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:40,080 Speaker 1: a little bit. You're not saying that everybody who happens 397 00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:41,840 Speaker 1: to be a Muslim who lives in one of those 398 00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:45,600 Speaker 1: cities wants to go into violent jihad. 399 00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:50,280 Speaker 2: All right, I'm not. We can't say that one hundred 400 00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:52,360 Speaker 2: percent of the people want to do that, but there 401 00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:56,240 Speaker 2: is a significant number in these communities, and this is 402 00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:57,360 Speaker 2: across the country. 403 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:05,000 Speaker 1: Is because this is Sharia. This is what it's sharia. 404 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:09,960 Speaker 2: And see, and so people understand that the understanding legally 405 00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:13,400 Speaker 2: of extremism and Islam is to go too far, too fast. 406 00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:15,840 Speaker 2: So if you go too far, too fast, you risk 407 00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:19,320 Speaker 2: two major things. Number one, you get too ahead of 408 00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:22,040 Speaker 2: the Muslim community and you lose too many of them. 409 00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:24,120 Speaker 2: So you got to go at a pace that you're 410 00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:27,840 Speaker 2: bringing as many of the Muslim community along as you can. 411 00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:30,800 Speaker 2: If you go too far, too fast, you also risk 412 00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:34,080 Speaker 2: exposing the reality of what you're doing to the non 413 00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:37,680 Speaker 2: Muslim community and the retribution that they will bring to 414 00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:41,480 Speaker 2: you because of that. That's extremism and Islam. And so 415 00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:45,640 Speaker 2: they have to move at a pace that keeps as 416 00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:48,600 Speaker 2: many Muslims with them and brings them along and educates 417 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:53,520 Speaker 2: them without them too many falling away, although if they do, 418 00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:56,480 Speaker 2: then they execute them. And they're doing that in many 419 00:29:56,560 --> 00:30:01,800 Speaker 2: Muslim and in some non Muslim countries. So this is 420 00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:04,440 Speaker 2: the reality of where they are. They are at a 421 00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:08,640 Speaker 2: point where there's this discussion going on into which direction 422 00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:11,040 Speaker 2: do we go? And it was, to be quite honest, 423 00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:14,320 Speaker 2: when Osama Bin allowed to attack the United States in 424 00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:19,160 Speaker 2: two thousand and one, it was a significant discussion with 425 00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:23,960 Speaker 2: the scholars. Was that too early? Was that attack? Should 426 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:29,840 Speaker 2: they have held off longer? But the military Jahatis are 427 00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:33,160 Speaker 2: saying no, it's time. You know. They don't need you know, 428 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:35,720 Speaker 2: and to answer the question like in England, they don't 429 00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:38,800 Speaker 2: need to do it in England. They control England. Now 430 00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:42,960 Speaker 2: I've been saying this for a few weeks. England is gone. 431 00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:47,120 Speaker 2: You got the King and the Prime Minister of England 432 00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:51,000 Speaker 2: that are batten for the Jahatis. You got the London 433 00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:53,479 Speaker 2: mayor is a Jahati and the key cities and in 434 00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:57,040 Speaker 2: England are controlled by the Jahaties. Why do they need 435 00:30:57,080 --> 00:31:00,600 Speaker 2: to pull any triggers? It's done so Yeah. 436 00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:06,520 Speaker 1: It is an object example of where this goes left unchecked, ru. 437 00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:07,440 Speaker 2: Or without the fight. 438 00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:09,920 Speaker 1: And I just want to at one point, quickly, John, 439 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:10,440 Speaker 1: very quickly. 440 00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:10,680 Speaker 3: Yeah. 441 00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:13,800 Speaker 2: I want to remind the audience that the major wars 442 00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:17,360 Speaker 2: that the West has fought against the Muslims was after 443 00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:21,880 Speaker 2: it was it's almost too late, right after four hundred 444 00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:26,200 Speaker 2: and seventy years of jihad, we fought the first Crusade. 445 00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:28,720 Speaker 1: So many lessons to be learned here, John, you do 446 00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:31,720 Speaker 1: a spectacular job of teaching about it at John buondola 447 00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:34,360 Speaker 1: dot com. Check it out. Folks, come back to us 448 00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:36,680 Speaker 1: next week, John, stay well. In the meantime, Thank you, 449 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:38,960 Speaker 1: God bless you. We'll be right back. Folks, stay tuned. 450 00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:01,800 Speaker 1: Welcome back. And what a delight to be able to 451 00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:04,880 Speaker 1: say that Richard Pollock is joining us. Richard is a 452 00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:11,560 Speaker 1: man who has extensive experience with journalism, notably with Good 453 00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:14,280 Speaker 1: Morning America, which is where I met him a couple 454 00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:19,560 Speaker 1: of decades ago, but in a whole host of positions 455 00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:24,800 Speaker 1: throughout the industry, oftentimes working on producing or even on 456 00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:32,040 Speaker 1: air investigative journalism, and few people do it better than he, 457 00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:34,360 Speaker 1: and I couldn't be more pleased to have him with 458 00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:38,400 Speaker 1: this as I just saw a very important piece on 459 00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:41,800 Speaker 1: a subject near and dear to my heart, and that 460 00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:47,080 Speaker 1: is what President Joe Biden did during his term in 461 00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:53,920 Speaker 1: office as president to try to destroy the Jewish state, 462 00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:58,640 Speaker 1: the State of Israel, or at least to topple its government, 463 00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:04,840 Speaker 1: or at least m string it's efforts to survive the 464 00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:08,160 Speaker 1: war that has been launched against it. On October seventh, 465 00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:13,320 Speaker 1: twenty twenty three, Richard's article grabbed my attention. I wanted 466 00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:15,120 Speaker 1: to be sure that we shared it with you as 467 00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:18,040 Speaker 1: soon as possible. Richard, thank you so much for joining 468 00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:21,680 Speaker 1: us once again. Welcome back. Tell us about what Biden 469 00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:25,760 Speaker 1: was doing to sabotage Benjamin netan Yahoo in his government. 470 00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:29,880 Speaker 3: We thank you, Frank for having me. We knew that 471 00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:33,200 Speaker 3: Joe Biden to a certain extent had a sense of 472 00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:37,800 Speaker 3: antagonism towards the Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin nettin Yahoo, but 473 00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:42,400 Speaker 3: only last weekend did we learn in full that he 474 00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:48,280 Speaker 3: had assembled a team in which their charge was to 475 00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:52,800 Speaker 3: try to unsee the democratically elected government of netsing Yahoo. 476 00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:58,080 Speaker 3: Only months after the October seventh terrible attack by Hamast 477 00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:02,000 Speaker 3: so the country is at war, and a whole team 478 00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:06,200 Speaker 3: of people at the national security level within the Biden 479 00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:14,839 Speaker 3: administration apparently decided to oust Natanyahu, who of course is 480 00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:21,759 Speaker 3: most popular prime minister in Israel's history, having been re 481 00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:26,320 Speaker 3: elected six different times since nineteen ninety six. 482 00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:30,920 Speaker 1: When you say he's the most popular prime minister, we 483 00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:35,160 Speaker 1: always hear about the people who don't like him, who 484 00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:39,400 Speaker 1: cavil about his policies, who have been trying to topple 485 00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:44,880 Speaker 1: him from government. But what you've described is evidence, hard evidence. 486 00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:48,520 Speaker 1: Isn't it that the majorities of the Israeli people, or 487 00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:52,840 Speaker 1: at least significant pluralities of the Israeli people, are strongly 488 00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:53,439 Speaker 1: behind him. 489 00:34:54,880 --> 00:35:03,319 Speaker 3: Yes, he is continuing to show political perseverance and reliance 490 00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:09,680 Speaker 3: resilience in Israel. He has fought against not just simply 491 00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:15,480 Speaker 3: Hamas and Gaza, but Hesbelah in Lebanon, the Huti's in Yemen, 492 00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:20,160 Speaker 3: and of course ultimately Iran, and over and over again 493 00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:25,399 Speaker 3: he has actually gained seats in his government as he's 494 00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:28,240 Speaker 3: pursued this work, but there is a very hard group 495 00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:32,759 Speaker 3: of people who oppose him, and they have allied themselves 496 00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:37,480 Speaker 3: with Joe Biden, and Biden decided to really activate a 497 00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:41,680 Speaker 3: team within his administration to see if they could as 498 00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:46,200 Speaker 3: as one of the Biden officials said in an Extraordinary 499 00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:51,640 Speaker 3: Channel thirteen Israeli programmed last week, that if they were 500 00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:56,960 Speaker 3: interested in scrambling the politics in Israel to be able 501 00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:01,000 Speaker 3: to oust Netan Yahoo and this is like extraordinary in 502 00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:03,760 Speaker 3: the middle of a war, the president of United States 503 00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:10,880 Speaker 3: is trying to dethrone an elected, elected prime minister who 504 00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:15,600 Speaker 3: is a major ally of the United States in the 505 00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:19,400 Speaker 3: Middle East and the only democratic state in the Middle East. 506 00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:22,879 Speaker 1: And not least Richard. As I'm fond of pointing out 507 00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:26,719 Speaker 1: to our audience, this is a man who is not 508 00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:32,520 Speaker 1: simply trying to fight a very very formidable array of adversaries, 509 00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:37,600 Speaker 1: as you've mentioned, for the purposes of ensuring the survival 510 00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:42,280 Speaker 1: of Israel. He's fighting our war for us as well. 511 00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:45,520 Speaker 1: Every single one of the people that you've mentioned, the 512 00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:51,000 Speaker 1: groups the nations, are our enemies every bit as much 513 00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:54,840 Speaker 1: as Israel's. In fact, they generally make the case most notably, 514 00:36:55,160 --> 00:37:00,000 Speaker 1: as you know in the instance of Iran, it's death 515 00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:05,080 Speaker 1: to Israel followed by death to America. That is the 516 00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:07,839 Speaker 1: mantra of the regime and has been since it came 517 00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:12,520 Speaker 1: to power. So this makes all the more outrageous what's 518 00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:15,080 Speaker 1: going on here. I did want to say, though, that 519 00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:20,520 Speaker 1: this isn't the first time that presidents of the United 520 00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:27,480 Speaker 1: States have interfered in the democratic processes of Israel for 521 00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:31,920 Speaker 1: the purposes of removing Benjamin Gena, who from powers I 522 00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:37,400 Speaker 1: know you will recall Bill Clinton dispatched James Carville and 523 00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:41,080 Speaker 1: company to go in parachute into Israel and try to 524 00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:45,400 Speaker 1: upset the election there, as I recall been so did 525 00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:49,960 Speaker 1: Joe excuse me, so did Barack Obama, with a similar 526 00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:53,839 Speaker 1: kind of team people who got him elected were then 527 00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:57,080 Speaker 1: turned loose to try to sure that Benjamin Gena did 528 00:37:57,120 --> 00:38:00,920 Speaker 1: not get elected. It doesn't make it any better. I'm 529 00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:05,240 Speaker 1: simply saying that this kind of interference in the internal 530 00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:10,000 Speaker 1: affairs of as you say, a tremendously important ally has 531 00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:14,560 Speaker 1: kind of been a hardy perennial of these leftist democratic administrations. 532 00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:19,359 Speaker 1: And it's kind of amazing that Natanya, who has you know, 533 00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:25,240 Speaker 1: been as deferential to and desperate to try to work 534 00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:28,279 Speaker 1: with the Biden team as he was under those circumstance, 535 00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:29,879 Speaker 1: isn't it well? 536 00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:33,520 Speaker 3: I think that Natanya who tried to be as respectful 537 00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:37,200 Speaker 3: as possible to Washington even though he knew that Washington 538 00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:40,680 Speaker 3: didn't have his back. And what we now learned from 539 00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:46,279 Speaker 3: a very high level Obama and Biden official as well 540 00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:49,960 Speaker 3: as the chief Middle East advisor to Kamala Harris which 541 00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:53,880 Speaker 3: he was vice president man named Elon Goldenberger. He said 542 00:38:54,640 --> 00:39:02,120 Speaker 3: on this television show that it was Goldenberger's conclusion that 543 00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:08,680 Speaker 3: the administration was out to really overthrow the democratically elected 544 00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:13,920 Speaker 3: government of Benjamin nat Yahoo. And there were nine different 545 00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:19,400 Speaker 3: Biden officials last weekend who confirmed the antagonism that Biden 546 00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:23,719 Speaker 3: and Kamala Harris had for Natin Yahoo. And by the way, 547 00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:26,920 Speaker 3: that's you're absolutely right successful. 548 00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:28,640 Speaker 1: I thought, Richard, we have to we have to take 549 00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:31,880 Speaker 1: a short break. I mean, the antipathy towards him was 550 00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:35,359 Speaker 1: no secret, that was pretty obvious. But what they tried 551 00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:37,960 Speaker 1: to do to act on it is another story. You're 552 00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:40,520 Speaker 1: right back with more on all of this with Richard Pollock. 553 00:39:41,000 --> 00:40:03,120 Speaker 1: Stay tuned, We're back. Richard Pollock is in the House. 554 00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:06,520 Speaker 1: He is sharing with us evidence that he and others 555 00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:10,640 Speaker 1: have been amassing of late and well, it seems like 556 00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:15,800 Speaker 1: confessions from some of the perpetrators as to efforts made 557 00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:25,400 Speaker 1: during the Biden presidency to, despite the evident majority support 558 00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:30,399 Speaker 1: of the people of Israel, defeat the man who they 559 00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:34,720 Speaker 1: chose to be their prime minister in the election process 560 00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:40,040 Speaker 1: as well as afterwards. So Richard talk about how this 561 00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:44,239 Speaker 1: worked in practice and what an affront it is that 562 00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:47,440 Speaker 1: at the same time that this was going on, we 563 00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:52,480 Speaker 1: were being endlessly subjected to the braying on the part 564 00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:57,080 Speaker 1: of brain being, of course something you associate with donkeys, 565 00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:03,120 Speaker 1: braying about their commo democracy. Oh, exactly did that square 566 00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:04,000 Speaker 1: up in Israel? 567 00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:09,560 Speaker 3: Well, it appears that Joe Biden had instructed a national 568 00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:15,040 Speaker 3: security team to explore different ways to as they say, 569 00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:19,120 Speaker 3: as Elon Goldenberger, who was a national security advisor at 570 00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:21,719 Speaker 3: the time for Kamala Harris but also believed earlier with 571 00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:27,880 Speaker 3: Joe Biden and Barack Obama, they indicated to him and 572 00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:31,200 Speaker 3: he was part of really a cabal within the administration 573 00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:36,960 Speaker 3: to actively figure out a way to undermine the democratically 574 00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:40,400 Speaker 3: elected government of Beni Manatanyahu. And what they tried to 575 00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:44,160 Speaker 3: do is see if Benny Gantz, who was then a 576 00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:47,880 Speaker 3: political figure in Israel, if they could get funds to 577 00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:50,920 Speaker 3: him and help him out in terms of in kind 578 00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:57,359 Speaker 3: efforts and also possibly television commercials and other kinds of 579 00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:02,520 Speaker 3: getting nonprofit money and even U said money into Israel 580 00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:06,120 Speaker 3: in order to unsee this democratically elected president in the 581 00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:08,640 Speaker 3: middle of a war that he's trying to fight. And 582 00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:13,840 Speaker 3: so this is really this is just one of the 583 00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:17,520 Speaker 3: more obscene things that I think that President Biden has 584 00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:20,600 Speaker 3: done in the foreign policy arena. I mean, we could 585 00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:23,000 Speaker 3: talk about Afghanistan if we wanted to, or other kinds 586 00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:25,920 Speaker 3: of other parts of the world. But the truth is 587 00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:30,480 Speaker 3: this was a despicable act by the President and his 588 00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:37,440 Speaker 3: team to try to unsee a democratically elected official. It 589 00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:41,160 Speaker 3: goes against everything that America should be standing for. 590 00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:47,080 Speaker 1: Amen. But in a way, it was only one manifestation 591 00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:53,319 Speaker 1: of the hostility towards Netanyahu. They were working, as I 592 00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:57,239 Speaker 1: understand it, I mean literally providing you know, sort of 593 00:42:57,280 --> 00:43:01,280 Speaker 1: the talking points, if you will, or the sort of 594 00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:08,279 Speaker 1: how to manual for people to act on their opposition 595 00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:12,320 Speaker 1: to Natanga who's efforts to reform the Supreme Court for example, 596 00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:19,839 Speaker 1: also their active sabotaging of Israel's war efforts, notably but 597 00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:24,240 Speaker 1: not exclusively in Gaza. Also you know, trying to restrain 598 00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:28,040 Speaker 1: them Visaly, Iran and interfere in Lebanon as well, but 599 00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:34,520 Speaker 1: Gaza most especially. They were so manifestly working to assure 600 00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:37,920 Speaker 1: the victory or at least the survival of Hamas, all 601 00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:41,840 Speaker 1: of which was again contrary to both the Prime Minister 602 00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:45,960 Speaker 1: of Israel Benjamin Netania, who and his policies were they not. 603 00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:51,080 Speaker 3: Well, They were able to get Natanyahu to wait for 604 00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:56,760 Speaker 3: three to four months after October seventh before he launched 605 00:43:56,800 --> 00:44:01,040 Speaker 3: his ground invasion of Gaza, after losing twelve hundred of 606 00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:03,560 Speaker 3: his citizens and two hundred and fifty of them were 607 00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:07,520 Speaker 3: taken hostage. And the idea that they pressured him not 608 00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:10,359 Speaker 3: to attack Hamas in the early stage of the war 609 00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:12,880 Speaker 3: is an outrage. And then of course we know about 610 00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:17,000 Speaker 3: the military equipment and the bombs, for the three thousand 611 00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:20,680 Speaker 3: pound bombs that were denied Israel. And then of course 612 00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:24,560 Speaker 3: we know about the negotiations they did with Egypt and 613 00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:31,920 Speaker 3: Cutter to try to really defang Israel in negotiations, and 614 00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:35,800 Speaker 3: on and on and on the and then of course 615 00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:40,160 Speaker 3: there was the empathy that they showed for the Palaestinian 616 00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:44,840 Speaker 3: people in Gaza, and how they demanded that food be 617 00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:48,400 Speaker 3: handed over to Hamas in order to feed the people. 618 00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:51,719 Speaker 3: It was just it was just really a series of 619 00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:55,920 Speaker 3: anti Israel actions on the military and the political side. 620 00:44:57,640 --> 00:45:03,000 Speaker 1: And in a way, again it's it's not sufficient to 621 00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:08,000 Speaker 1: describe it as just anti Israel. It's pro Jihadis or 622 00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:13,120 Speaker 1: pro Sharia's supremacist as you wish. It's pro enemies again 623 00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:17,080 Speaker 1: of Israel, to be sure, but of us, our country, 624 00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:24,440 Speaker 1: our population as well. It's treasonous I think here in 625 00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:27,920 Speaker 1: the United States, to say nothing of an abject betrayal 626 00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:36,520 Speaker 1: of an important trend under extreme dangerous circumstances. So, Richard, 627 00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:43,279 Speaker 1: as you sort of cast your very experienced reporter's eye 628 00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:47,279 Speaker 1: on all of this, should all of this have been 629 00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:49,120 Speaker 1: as much of a secret as it seems to be 630 00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:53,200 Speaker 1: it seems to have been, I should say, or is 631 00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:57,040 Speaker 1: this just again evidence of a failure on the part 632 00:45:57,080 --> 00:46:01,200 Speaker 1: of your colleagues in the Fourth State, as it's called, 633 00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:09,840 Speaker 1: to report faithfully on newsworthy information, like the government of 634 00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:12,480 Speaker 1: the United States is trying to destroy the government of Israel. 635 00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:18,640 Speaker 3: Well, of course, we want reporters to be able to 636 00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:21,879 Speaker 3: tell the short history, the immediate history of what's going 637 00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:25,680 Speaker 3: on around us. And in my opinion, the legacy media 638 00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:30,160 Speaker 3: has completely failed, not only in terms of distantly covering 639 00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:33,000 Speaker 3: the war, but also in its failure to go and cover, 640 00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:37,120 Speaker 3: as you would say, the Jihadis who are in the 641 00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:41,320 Speaker 3: West and in the United States and who really operate 642 00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:44,560 Speaker 3: very freely. Now they're beginning to get a little pinched 643 00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:48,200 Speaker 3: by the Trump administration, and we are are already hearing 644 00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:53,320 Speaker 3: from the legacy media howls of outrage about Palestinian leaders 645 00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:57,600 Speaker 3: who support jihad and support the inter fat of being 646 00:46:57,719 --> 00:47:01,239 Speaker 3: brought to the United States into fat of being the 647 00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:05,000 Speaker 3: guerrilla war that was waged against Israel, so. 648 00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:08,840 Speaker 1: Therefore and is being waged against Israel, notably in Juday 649 00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:11,320 Speaker 1: and Samaria at the moment. As you know, this is 650 00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:14,160 Speaker 1: such an important point. And Richard, this is one of 651 00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:17,880 Speaker 1: the things that we've admired about you from our first meeting, 652 00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:22,799 Speaker 1: is your willingness to stand against the mob in the 653 00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:26,640 Speaker 1: media as well as to you know, get the facts 654 00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:30,960 Speaker 1: out wherever they lead, whether it's to the embarrassment of 655 00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:34,200 Speaker 1: the government of the United States, or otherwise keep up 656 00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:38,000 Speaker 1: that important work. Where do people find you quickly? 657 00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:43,360 Speaker 3: Well, they can go directly to substack dot com and then. 658 00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:47,719 Speaker 1: Put in mind Richard Poll dot subseat dot com. Great, 659 00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:49,520 Speaker 1: we have to let you go. Thank you, my friend, 660 00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:51,839 Speaker 1: God bless you come back to us soon. I hope 661 00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:55,560 Speaker 1: the rest of you will do the same. Until then, 662 00:47:55,600 --> 00:48:04,040 Speaker 1: till next time, go forth and multiply the past.