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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha. I'm welcome to Stefan

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Speaker 1: never told you a prediction of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: And y'all. Okay, So today is October twenty third, twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty four, so coming up on Halloween. But it is

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Speaker 2: not really, this is not a Halloween episode. I'm sorry.

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry Annie, It's okay.

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Speaker 1: I allog sad. We got a little we got derailed

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Speaker 1: by all of our We did COVID and Jerry duty,

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Speaker 1: and we didn't do as much as we normally do

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Speaker 1: the season.

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Speaker 2: We didn't I think we needed I think we can

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Speaker 2: make it up November. Yeh, just made that the season

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Speaker 2: because we do need to come back to it. But

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Speaker 2: I will say this is a Fall episode. And I

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Speaker 2: say this though because originally when I thought of this episode,

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Speaker 2: it was because it had gotten below forty at one

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Speaker 2: point in Georgia, and if you know anything about Georgia,

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Speaker 2: that is significant because we don't have that much coldness

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Speaker 2: in the South, and especially with the global warming and

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Speaker 2: climate change, Yeah, it's gotten worse. But I'd love this season, Anie,

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Speaker 2: I love this season. Fall really is one of those

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Speaker 2: seasons that lust to fool us because again in the South,

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Speaker 2: we usually get about three weeks of lovely weather where

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Speaker 2: the leaves turn gold and red and yellow and all

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Speaker 2: the things, and a cardigan or a sweater is enough.

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Speaker 2: You get a little bit of a jacket. And it

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Speaker 2: also ushers in one of my favorite foods, soups, soups

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Speaker 2: and stews and all of the same. Which we just

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Speaker 2: had a funny conversation previously about Coroner who does not

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Speaker 2: love soups, and I'm a little bit like, eh, that

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Speaker 1: I won't I won't go into specific, but I am

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Speaker 1: going to bring it up because this is really interesting

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Speaker 1: to me. She was asking me why I like soup,

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Speaker 1: and the gender difference we're going to talk about here

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Speaker 1: is something I had to consider and I had not previously.

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Speaker 1: But part of my answer was based on that.

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Speaker 2: It's really okay, all right, So I will say, did

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Speaker 2: I just recently partake into a large bowl of kimchi

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Speaker 2: say we started this idea last week when it was cold,

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Speaker 2: this week it is now back to eighties. Like hot

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Speaker 2: at night at sixty degrees in the daytime is eighty

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Speaker 2: think we get like in one little dip next week.

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Speaker 2: Next Monday, it goes back down to like fifty something

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Speaker 2: kimchi jaga or kimchi stew. I also bought ingredients for

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Speaker 2: I didn't do it, but I will do it. Yes,

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Speaker 2: the answer is yes to all of that. And I

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Speaker 2: went on a search for one of my favorite soups

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Speaker 2: Tortilla Kel soup, Thank you Tiktokus. TikTok has like soup

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Speaker 2: talk weirdly where people just give you soup recipes as

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Speaker 2: an entire three months of it and I love it

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Speaker 2: unnecessarily so like you have to make it your own.

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Speaker 1: That that's so funny, because a lot of soups are

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Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, I'm like, why are you doing this to me.

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Speaker 2: But the kill tortilla soup, if you know, you know,

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Speaker 2: So somehow a delicious, brothy soup consumption could it actually

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Speaker 2: imply you were not manly enough? Maybe you're enough, but

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Speaker 2: Why we have to tender everything. I am like, this

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Speaker 2: Like the assumption is a man's ordering that beer. Right,

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Speaker 2: But there are those with some really strong opinions on

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Speaker 2: right wing people, right wing as a conservative have some

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Speaker 2: my rule about men eating soup in public? I don't

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Speaker 2: I just why do we keep having this conversation around food.

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Speaker 1: Well, again, that could be a whole other episode, but

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Speaker 1: the history of especially talking about women as if they

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Speaker 1: A lot of stuff, a lot of stuff we've done.

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Speaker 2: Right, Well, I mean, like, again we're not talking about

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Speaker 2: this here, but I know women have actually told me

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Speaker 2: I'm so sorry if I said that wrong brought up

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Speaker 2: It's wrong. Now, I think I believe I did read

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Speaker 2: this opinion that eating soup takes away one's man card. Again,

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Speaker 2: non existent man card thereah suching. I don't I think

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Speaker 2: I've ever heard anyone reference a woman's card.

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Speaker 2: That's never been a thing, but it's hilarious. In a

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Speaker 2: we did an episode on the stereotype of women choosing

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Speaker 2: the same conversation. In one blog by Katherine Mary Brady,

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Speaker 2: she writes, my grandsons informed me that they don't like soup.

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Speaker 2: My son in law doesn't either. They say that men

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Speaker 2: you know, according to all of the connotations that we've

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Speaker 2: partners debate whether soup is a meal in itself. Again,

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Speaker 2: don't get me wrong, I'm all about having a melty,

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Speaker 2: buttery grilled cheese with my creamy tomato soup from a can.

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Speaker 2: But can one eat the soup without the add is

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Speaker 2: I'm so confused why this is such a thing. One blogger,

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Speaker 2: Emerson Harken writes about this conflicts, saying, in my household,

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Speaker 2: yes it's a d belief. Soup is a reoccurring source

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Speaker 2: offer to cook dinner, only to serve soup instead. These

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Speaker 2: incidents have sparked lively debates about the meaning of the

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Speaker 2: sharing cooking equally if one of us is serving water?

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Speaker 2: The advice of friends and colleagues was of little help

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Speaker 2: in my day to day life, most of whom are men,

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Speaker 2: shared by concerns about my partner's misleading meal related statements,

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Speaker 2: while people my partner consultant, mainly women, also believe that

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Speaker 2: the value of the meal is undiluted by literal dilution.

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Speaker 1: Mm hmm. And they were so invested in this deception

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Speaker 1: that they decided to survey about it, he continues. Quote.

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Speaker 2: If y'all want to go look this up. Emerson Harken

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Speaker 2: Harken is a blog. He has a whole graph he

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Speaker 2: Our preliminary gender based analysis suggests that women may be

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Speaker 2: more likely to believe that soup is a meal than men.

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Speaker 2: Often borderline or trend level statistical significance, deliberate attempts to

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Speaker 2: and the underrepresentation of men and our simple together means

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Speaker 2: number of gender diverse respondents was very small, our work

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Speaker 2: The stronger association between soup belief and gender than appetite,

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Speaker 2: is one of those other things that I'm like, I

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Speaker 1: Well, it sounds like probably Rachel influenced participated, I imagine, given.

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Speaker 2: The results, But is it also that she actually reached

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Speaker 2: did not put that effort.

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Speaker 3: That's true, back to soup.

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Speaker 2: Back to soup, and some other people had done some

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Speaker 2: lunch base survey, which could be a better debate. I

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Speaker 2: guess is soup better at lunch or dinner? Hello Olive

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Speaker 2: Garden and the salad soup combo. Yeah, that soup of Scott.

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Speaker 1: It's bizarre to me, I mean, obviously, but given my

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Speaker 1: me of my dad. My dad love soup. He didn't

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Speaker 2: It was my birthday and we had soup the entire

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Speaker 2: And you know the whole talk about being comforting, that

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Speaker 2: So like this is a scientific thing. I didn't really

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Speaker 2: as we were mentioning, this could be a cultural thing.

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Speaker 2: Perhaps many cultures eat soup all year round and whenever.

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Speaker 2: Many eat soup for breakfast. Kangis, which are savory rice porges,

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Speaker 2: Ye perfect, Maybe too much salt for the ramen, but

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Speaker 2: Many cultures eat soup whenever. Korean stews or Jiga's are

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Speaker 2: It doesn't bring you luck. We know, we have the

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Speaker 2: Of course, some may debate that stews and soups are

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Speaker 2: But and then he added the recipe for one of

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Speaker 2: hold strong for that because I think I got very loud.

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Speaker 2: I'm so sorry Christina the Cincinnati style chili. I'm sorry,

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Speaker 2: cinnamon and nutmeg and chili is a travesty. The first

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Speaker 1: That's funny because I feel like cinnamon. I don't know

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Speaker 2: I think there's a lot of things in that. I

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Speaker 1: You know, there's a tradition. I can't remember if it's

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Speaker 1: Ohio listeners right in we did a whole episode on it.

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Speaker 2: Canny anything, processing anything is a little different from your

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Speaker 2: I was like, oh god, I think I made a mistake.

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Speaker 1: I know I've had your chili and it was really good.

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Speaker 1: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: I was like, I added too many habitatals ay. Sorry,

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Speaker 2: If you want my opinion on Cincinnati style chili, yeh,

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Speaker 2: I think it's fine, and he's on your side.

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Speaker 2: But again, there could be back to away from Cincinnati chili.

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Speaker 2: the spicy or the mainly or maybe it's the picture

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00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:53,119
Speaker 2: of rugged firefighters in the kitchen cooking chili that pushes

432
00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:58,480
Speaker 2: the narrative even more because and y'all the amount of

433
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Speaker 2: times that I've seen firefighters come into the Kroger as

434
00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:06,480
Speaker 2: a one giant unit to watch each each other's shop

435
00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:08,320
Speaker 2: and my assumption instead of making chili. But I know

436
00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:10,600
Speaker 2: part of that is I'm sure someone's gonna yell at

437
00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:12,280
Speaker 2: me about this. It's part of that is because you know,

438
00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:17,440
Speaker 2: making something big, a giant thing accessible quickly, chilis is easy.

439
00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:18,760
Speaker 2: It is, so that's one of the reasons it's one

440
00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:21,480
Speaker 2: of my favorites in the winter time, making my homemade chili,

441
00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:24,359
Speaker 2: because you can make a lot very quickly. All you

442
00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:26,120
Speaker 2: have to do is really chop up some vegetables, put

443
00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:27,280
Speaker 2: some cans together and ym yum.

444
00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:27,960
Speaker 1: Yum mm hm.

445
00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:30,520
Speaker 2: You're welcome. And you can make it differently. You can

446
00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:33,359
Speaker 2: like my partner will go all out and put like

447
00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:35,040
Speaker 2: brisket and such, and I'm like, I don't have time

448
00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:37,920
Speaker 2: for this, give me ground meat. I one time put

449
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:40,960
Speaker 2: like jumbalaya sausage in it made it nice and smoky,

450
00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:44,840
Speaker 2: but that texture did not. I didn't have the texture

451
00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:47,919
Speaker 2: that pexture can be att Yeah, but anyway, all that

452
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:51,439
Speaker 2: to say is, yes, maybe that's why it's all mainly

453
00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:54,399
Speaker 2: and that's a good specifically two firefighters like that. That

454
00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:56,600
Speaker 2: reason makes says I can't make a tin course mail

455
00:24:57,240 --> 00:25:01,639
Speaker 2: for a squadron when they're on ready, on call at

456
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:03,600
Speaker 2: all times, So that could be that. But for some reason,

457
00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:06,760
Speaker 2: that narrative is enough to make it manly. Who knows.

458
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:09,920
Speaker 2: But back to cultures, who would say that soups are nourishing. Yes,

459
00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:12,200
Speaker 2: it seems when it comes to soups that aren't thought

460
00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:15,080
Speaker 2: of as American are more likely to be treated as

461
00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:19,720
Speaker 2: a legitimate genderless dish, such as fu and ramen. Again,

462
00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:22,760
Speaker 2: this could be the argument that the spicier it is,

463
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:26,080
Speaker 2: the manlier it is. Because I love me some good

464
00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:29,640
Speaker 2: spicy ramen, I go like alterra heat five if I can,

465
00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:33,720
Speaker 2: and then like like it's not drippling if you eat ramen.

466
00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:35,840
Speaker 2: You know what I mean. But this could be a

467
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:41,360
Speaker 2: whole other conversation about appropriating versus appreciating with other cultural

468
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:46,199
Speaker 2: culinary dishes. By the way, side note, did you know

469
00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:49,040
Speaker 2: there was a white couple who ran a white couple

470
00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:52,760
Speaker 2: who ran a fuzz shop in the UK who trademarked

471
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Speaker 2: the word phuh so that no other competitor could use

472
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Speaker 2: that word in their shops. And yeah, by the way,

473
00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:05,120
Speaker 2: they received a lot of backlash for that. Also, now

474
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:08,320
Speaker 2: there's a recent trend of white French Canadian couple who

475
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:16,000
Speaker 2: was selling boba and then when they were asked about like,

476
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:19,359
Speaker 2: how are you you know, different from the boba that

477
00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:21,680
Speaker 2: is in Asian shops, and they are like, well, you know,

478
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:25,200
Speaker 2: first of all, boba shouldn't is not ethnic anymore, and

479
00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:27,680
Speaker 2: you don't know what's in those types of boba because

480
00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:31,480
Speaker 2: you know Asian people, but in ours, it's clean and healthy,

481
00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:36,240
Speaker 2: and they were like, what the needless to say. They

482
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:38,080
Speaker 2: got a lot of backlash as well, because they were like,

483
00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:40,399
Speaker 2: you can't. You can't do that. You can make it

484
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:42,800
Speaker 2: something and you can say that you like this, and

485
00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:46,359
Speaker 2: so therefore you wanted to jump on board, but you

486
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:49,480
Speaker 2: can't pretend like you're dismissing all the others and yours

487
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:53,960
Speaker 2: is better somehow. But that's what happened. Who knows. I'm

488
00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:57,480
Speaker 2: wondering with all of that, because white people have kind

489
00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:00,280
Speaker 2: of come on board with all of this, has it

490
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:03,479
Speaker 2: become more acceptable because more people white people like it

491
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:04,720
Speaker 2: that whole level.

492
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:08,120
Speaker 1: Well, I think I was talking to you about this.

493
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Speaker 1: I don't think a lot of people who don't have

494
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Speaker 1: a lot of experience with things like fu or ramen

495
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:16,760
Speaker 1: would call it soup. I don't think they really call

496
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:21,080
Speaker 1: it soup really, or especially ramen fu. Maybe yeah, but

497
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 1: I think people think of it more as noodles, but

498
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:26,240
Speaker 1: not pasta because I have a friend who says she

499
00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:29,439
Speaker 1: doesn't like pasta but she loves ramen, and I with

500
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:31,679
Speaker 1: my mind was breaking about it and I was like, Okay,

501
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:35,760
Speaker 1: so I think maybe there's also especially so.

502
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:37,800
Speaker 2: Me, it disconnects with that.

503
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:41,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I think that for some people they wouldn't

504
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:46,800
Speaker 1: consider some of this soup even though it is Yeah, yeah.

505
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:48,000
Speaker 2: I guess maybe because but the thing is like, for

506
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:50,159
Speaker 2: I know a lot of Korean dishes where you have

507
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:55,240
Speaker 2: like the lovely broth with the handpuld noodles. The broth though,

508
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:56,960
Speaker 2: is what makes the taste.

509
00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:58,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, they want.

510
00:27:58,280 --> 00:27:59,600
Speaker 2: You to have good noodles and they want it to

511
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:01,600
Speaker 2: be good toodles, but they're focusing on that broth.

512
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:03,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely interesting.

513
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 2: Anyway, back to soups in the US, So these soup

514
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 2: companies have been on a high alert of this gendered problem,

515
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:14,480
Speaker 2: and thanks to their marketing team, they've had some ideas.

516
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:18,280
Speaker 2: In the nineteen forties, they went on to post ads

517
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 2: with cartoon drawings of women in aprons and Annie, I've

518
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 2: got the link if you want to go look at

519
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:27,520
Speaker 2: this women in aprons surrounding a sign that says quote

520
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 2: for men only, with a caption he Man is the

521
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:36,400
Speaker 2: world for these hearty suits. But ladies, you'll like them too,

522
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:41,360
Speaker 2: oh great, and y'all and yes, all y'all. They had

523
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:45,760
Speaker 2: he Man soup ads, which classifies split pee soup as

524
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Speaker 2: part of that group.

525
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 1: I think I want to do an episode of a

526
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:52,040
Speaker 1: split pea soup over on Savor because I think split

527
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:57,200
Speaker 1: pea soup had a whole thing. Does it got associated

528
00:28:57,240 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 1: with like fine dining and stuff?

529
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:02,520
Speaker 2: I did so like just a little bit that I

530
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:05,160
Speaker 2: read like split pea soup the way that it had

531
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:09,680
Speaker 2: like built up. It was absolutely originally a poor person

532
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:14,560
Speaker 2: soup because peas were easy. There's a whole rhyme. I

533
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:16,360
Speaker 2: didn't put it in here. There's a rhyme they have

534
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 2: in regards to peace and the soup and making them

535
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 2: into soup. And then it got taken over and it

536
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:27,480
Speaker 2: became fine dining somehow, which is really odd to me.

537
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 2: I hate peas. I mean, I need a lot of things.

538
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:38,080
Speaker 2: Oh no, it seems just so you'll know, not me, okay.

539
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:43,040
Speaker 1: But anyway, back to Campbell's and all of this marketing

540
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:46,440
Speaker 1: that was going on around soups and making it masculine. Yeah,

541
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 1: Campbell's had the chunky brand which I remember still around

542
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 1: that have football players on the branding. So just so

543
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:59,239
Speaker 1: you know, it's very masculine and it did work. But

544
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:02,760
Speaker 1: with a twist, it's just like moms. It's just like

545
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:06,760
Speaker 1: mom used to make love that kind of home style. Yeah,

546
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 1: here's some information from FastCompany dot com quote. The beauty

547
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:15,960
Speaker 1: of the chunky marketing campaign is twofold. It is both

548
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:19,480
Speaker 1: a serious appeal to manliness and a self deprecating look

549
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:23,160
Speaker 1: at the absurdities of marketing. We're talking about soup here.

550
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 1: Nothing that you eat with the spoon is ever in

551
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:30,640
Speaker 1: danger of seeming stereotypically macho, unless it's motor oil. The

552
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:33,800
Speaker 1: ads are aware of their own silliness, which leaves viewers

553
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:37,080
Speaker 1: that much more vulnerable to the real and ridiculous message

554
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 1: that soup is a manly food. The ads also cast

555
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:43,640
Speaker 1: a massive net of appeal by telling consumers that all

556
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 1: you have to do is love your mom, and that

557
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 1: makes you at Campbell's chunky kind of guy. Is it silly, yes,

558
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:53,960
Speaker 1: but is it also brilliant? Absolutely? I mean, I love

559
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 1: my mom, don't you. Let's celebrate by eating some broccoli

560
00:30:57,400 --> 00:30:57,880
Speaker 1: and cheddar.

561
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 2: So the message is yes, men can eat soup. But

562
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 2: as long as you can contribute this to your mother,

563
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 2: right your mom. Now, these as debuted in the like

564
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:12,080
Speaker 2: late nineties, which is why you don't remember it any

565
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 2: and continued on during the early two thousands, but they're back.

566
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 2: They're back at it, and it's a bit of them

567
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 2: kind of a balance. I guess you have what you

568
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 2: may consider what many would consider green flag dudes, meaning

569
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 2: he's a good dude who isn't a sexist as far

570
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:33,760
Speaker 2: as we know, seemingly caring guy who has who shows

571
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 2: some emotions type of thing. Then they're the ones that's

572
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:41,720
Speaker 2: advertising this. So we have Jason Kelcey lying on a

573
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:50,920
Speaker 2: bear rug making soup still mainly but now sexy. Yeah, sure,

574
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:55,240
Speaker 2: or perhaps it's supposed to be approachable unless Mama's boy.

575
00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:58,600
Speaker 1: It's abatable, abatable.

576
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:01,480
Speaker 2: I think Travis Kel's was also involved, but his commercial

577
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 2: was a little different. But it definitely is that lie.

578
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 2: Like and this is recent twenty twenty four, like this

579
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:12,480
Speaker 2: just happened now. Maybe the classification of soups being feminine

580
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 2: has something to do with its level of implications of

581
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 2: social class and social status. Also, so soup's origins can

582
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 2: be dated back to the idea of eating vegetables dipped

583
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:26,680
Speaker 2: in broth, as a lot of people couldn't afford meat.

584
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 2: So we have old tails such as the Stone Soup,

585
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 2: which tells the story of a village coming together to

586
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:36,160
Speaker 2: make a delicious soup with their meager ingredients that they

587
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 2: didn't want to share at first. They're trying to hoard

588
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 2: and pretend like they didn't have anything made by a

589
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 2: hungry traveler. It could also be the fact that they

590
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 2: used to take hot stones. I believe ancient Asia used

591
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 2: to take hot stones and put it in water in

592
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:51,600
Speaker 2: order to boil it, so that could be that stone

593
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:56,400
Speaker 2: Soup conversation too. But this isn't again, this isn't so

594
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 2: far off. Many creations of soup came from what they

595
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 2: had left over. That's what it begins. When it comes

596
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:05,840
Speaker 2: to making stocks and broth. It is literally using leftover

597
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 2: parts and ingredients. We know those. It looks like trash,

598
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:09,800
Speaker 2: like what I saw someone for the first time making

599
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:11,680
Speaker 2: actual stock was like, what the hell you do? And

600
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 2: then it turned out they were making really delicious stock.

601
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 2: As a writer of all Things Sicilian and Moore dot

602
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 2: com rites, soups were made with what was once considered

603
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:22,960
Speaker 2: the poorest of ingredients. Then they say something in Italian.

604
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 2: I'm going to translate it to English because I can't

605
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 2: say it in Italian. Making something out of nothing.

606
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, and what do you think of like gel gelatin

607
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:34,960
Speaker 1: that's often in soups. It's bones. It's just boiled bones.

608
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:50,160
Speaker 1: Here's some more detail of soups origins from hotmixedpro dot

609
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 1: com quote the soup is the food of the working class.

610
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:55,960
Speaker 1: Is origin dates back to many years ago, when poor

611
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 1: peasants could only afford some vegetables dipped in a broth.

612
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 1: To better understand the origin of this food, we have

613
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 1: to start from the name. The soup comes from the

614
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 1: Gothic word soupa, which means slice of soaked bread. In fact,

615
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:12,479
Speaker 1: rich lords often ate meat or other foods over thick

616
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 1: slices of bread in the Middle Ages, which effectively replaced

617
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 1: the dishes at the end of the meal. The pieces

618
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 1: of bread left by the rich people were donated to

619
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:23,520
Speaker 1: the servants who cooked them with the other vegetables and

620
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 1: pots full of water.

621
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Speaker 2: Right, which I find fascinating. Maybe that's why, like really

622
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:32,839
Speaker 2: nice cuts of meat from barbecue places are on top

623
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 2: of white bread. I thought that was a Southern tradition,

624
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 2: maybe super rooted, who knows. So perhaps these original connotations

625
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:42,719
Speaker 2: are part of this feminization of soups. To be successful,

626
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 2: to be manly, all those things kind of jot together,

627
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:49,839
Speaker 2: and so therefore you can't be eating soup. Come on, man,

628
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:53,720
Speaker 2: you gotta be an alpha. Or perhaps is how soups

629
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 2: became a whole diet trend. Now we're not gonna get

630
00:34:57,120 --> 00:35:02,280
Speaker 2: too too deep in this, obviously, but yeah, which brands

631
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:06,280
Speaker 2: fell for, like they loved this idea and really really

632
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 2: tagged onto it. To the fact that if you go

633
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 2: and look at the different types of soups and brands

634
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:13,759
Speaker 2: in the grocery stores, you will see these low calories,

635
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:16,479
Speaker 2: low sodium. Low sodium is great, that is actually really great,

636
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 2: but all these low calorie things that they have marketed

637
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 2: for people who are on soup diets. But the cabbage

638
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:25,520
Speaker 2: soup diet is probably one of the best known soup

639
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:30,600
Speaker 2: diet bads in the US. And I can't lie I participated,

640
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:34,720
Speaker 2: but honestly, I just really love cabbage. I love cabbage.

641
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 2: My mom used to boil cabbage as a side dish,

642
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:39,920
Speaker 2: and I love that so much to the point that

643
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:41,680
Speaker 2: I would eat it like soup. I would just add

644
00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:44,440
Speaker 2: tons of pepper and good town. Yeah, so I love

645
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Speaker 2: cabbage and soup, so I would eat it with quinoa.

646
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Speaker 2: It was one of my favorite combos. But yeah, I

647
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 2: was always hungry afterwards and fairly gassy, like I was

648
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:58,359
Speaker 2: not feeling too good. So according to Wikipedia, the originations

649
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:02,440
Speaker 2: may date back to the nineteenth fifties and became super

650
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 2: popular in the nineties. Yeah, my partner actually talks about

651
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 2: how like he hates because I talked about making cabbage

652
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:10,440
Speaker 2: soup for like during the winter time because I just

653
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:13,120
Speaker 2: love it, and he was like, oh. He would tell

654
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:15,919
Speaker 2: me stories repeatedly every time I mentioned cabbage soup about

655
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:19,040
Speaker 2: his old babysitters who that's all she ate And he

656
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 2: hated it. He hated the smell of it, he hated

657
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 2: everything about it. I guess he really did not like

658
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Speaker 2: his babysitter.

659
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Speaker 1: I don't know.

660
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:28,799
Speaker 2: I don't know. Oh, dear, maybe that's just like, why

661
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 2: do you have to eat this cause Lily maybe she

662
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:34,320
Speaker 2: was super gassy too, Who knows. Anyway, spoiler spoiler alert,

663
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:37,319
Speaker 2: it doesn't work. You may lose a bit of weight,

664
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:40,839
Speaker 2: and unless you make this the only food you eat

665
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 2: for the entirety of your life, you will quickly gain

666
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:44,880
Speaker 2: it back.

667
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:49,400
Speaker 1: The way generally with the diets. That's how it goes exactly.

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00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:53,120
Speaker 1: Here's some information from healthline dot com quote. Unless you

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00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:56,439
Speaker 1: have a more sustainable diet to transition to, you likely

670
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 1: regain any weight you lose on the diet. Furthermore, studies

671
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:02,319
Speaker 1: suggests that when you greatly restrict calorie intake or lose

672
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 1: a sustainable amount of weight quickly, there's a reduction in

673
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:08,360
Speaker 1: your metabolic rate. This means that your body begins to

674
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 1: burn fewer calories per day than it did before. As

675
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 1: a result, after going off the diet, your lowered metabolism

676
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 1: may make it harder to maintain your weight loss. Additionally,

677
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:20,720
Speaker 1: as soup diets like the Cabbage Soup Diet and Sacred

678
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:23,280
Speaker 1: Heart Diet are quite restrictive in the types and amounts

679
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Speaker 1: of foods allowed, there's a concern for nutrient deficiencies. While

680
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:30,759
Speaker 1: eating a restricted diet for just five to ten days

681
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 1: is unlikely to result in serious nutrient deficiencies, especially if

682
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 1: taking a multi vitamin, significantly reducing calorie intake can lead

683
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 1: to side effects such as dizziness, weakness, or fatigue.

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Speaker 2: Right and Unfortunately the diet has come back round, but

685
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:52,280
Speaker 2: it's now called souping, and he's called souping. Who thinks

686
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 2: of these? Who does this? Who's doing this?

687
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:55,720
Speaker 1: Wow?

688
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:58,719
Speaker 2: Phili, This is a millennial trying to be on track

689
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:03,759
Speaker 2: against So yeah, article after article for women's magazines have

690
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 2: popped up with the newest diet trend of souping. Now

691
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 2: it's not all bad again, eating soup is fantastic. The

692
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 2: amount of health benefits and nutritional values, it's pretty high.

693
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:16,759
Speaker 2: Veggies for everyone, Yeah, everybody eat veggies. But as it

694
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:19,839
Speaker 2: continues to be marketed and targeted to women as weight

695
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 2: loss solutions, we can see that the gender line of

696
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 2: soup consumption is more visible. So obviously we're making this

697
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 2: a bad for women. That again, like all I saw

698
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:34,440
Speaker 2: was like Glamor magazine has something in it, Women's Day

699
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 2: magazine has like what is going on? It does? It

700
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:41,080
Speaker 2: makes it feel like, okay, soup is for diets. Yeah,

701
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:43,680
Speaker 2: but back to the souping. Apparently it is thought of

702
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:47,239
Speaker 2: more as a cleanse rather than a consistent diet. So

703
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 2: you can do like the cabbage diet for two weeks

704
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 2: as a kickstarter, which by the way, there's no actual

705
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 2: benefits to that. That's not a thing. Scientifically, it's not

706
00:38:57,080 --> 00:39:00,120
Speaker 2: a thing. No, But adding soup to your mill in

707
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:03,320
Speaker 2: order to feel more full and eating less and helping

708
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 2: to eat more fiber. So that's kind of the new

709
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 2: souping idea is to add it to meals, which I

710
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:12,799
Speaker 2: feel like is just okay, moving on, that's kind of whole.

711
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 2: Like people talk about drinking a glass of water. Yeah,

712
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:16,440
Speaker 2: you're gonna feel full, but you're gonna want okay whatever.

713
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 2: Soup probably is better if you have a lot of

714
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:20,239
Speaker 2: vegetables in it and it's delicious and you're like, yeah,

715
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 2: let me eat this. Maybe it does, and then you

716
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:26,680
Speaker 2: get also have your you know, fried chicken to the side.

717
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:28,320
Speaker 2: I love fried chicken.

718
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So the New York Post recently wrote an article about

720
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:33,879
Speaker 2: this fat and here's what they said. Souping, often seen

721
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:36,400
Speaker 2: as a method for clean eating and weight lass, involves

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Speaker 2: adhering to a diet consisting exclusively of vegetable soups for

723
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Speaker 2: a set duration, typically seven days. Kelsey Costa, a nutrition

724
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Speaker 2: consultant for diabet is strong ink Toll Parade. So this

725
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 2: was like article in an article. In essence, souping is

726
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 2: the soup version of a juice cleanse. So she goes

727
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 2: on to also say the same things that we just said,

728
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 2: they're not wonderful, be careful, don't do this. If you're

729
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 2: doing these things, be highly aware of what you're putting

730
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:04,839
Speaker 2: into your body and realize if you're still hungry, it's

731
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:06,000
Speaker 2: probably not effective.

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Speaker 1: Just great.

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Speaker 2: So they also advised, like other professionals said, this is

734
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Speaker 2: not a long term thing, meaning yes, less than two

735
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:17,239
Speaker 2: weeks at a time. But you know what, we do

736
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Speaker 2: know that soups can be really good for you. Came back.

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Speaker 2: In fact, we know that when it comes to illnesses

738
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Speaker 2: like coals or just tummy aches, which I've had, we

739
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:30,239
Speaker 2: always turn to some soup. I do. I'm like, yeah,

740
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:33,359
Speaker 2: give me, give me some soup. Apparently it was even

741
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 2: prescribed as medication in the twelfth century for respiratory tract issues.

742
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:40,640
Speaker 2: And guess what, it actually can be beneficial for culs

743
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 2: according to doctors and researchers.

744
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 1: Here's some information from Pennmedicine dot org. Quote research by

745
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 1: Ken Albala, a food historian at the University of the

746
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:54,279
Speaker 1: Pacific in California, published research in the journal Studies in

747
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 1: History and Philosophy of science parts. Studies in history and

748
00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:01,720
Speaker 1: philosophy of biological and biomedical sciences suggest that eating soup

749
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:04,839
Speaker 1: while you are ill comes from common knowledge and an

750
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:09,240
Speaker 1: informal intuition. Albalasa's soup is often the go to food

751
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 1: because it can be quote nourishing, restorative, easy to digest,

752
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:16,719
Speaker 1: and interestingly liked in both consistency and color, so as

753
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:20,840
Speaker 1: not to tax the system excessively. The same recommendation is

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00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:24,719
Speaker 1: advised by Melissa Bailey RD, a clinical dietitian at the

755
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 1: Hospital of the University of Pennsylvania. Bailey believes there is

756
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 1: no one size fits all approach to diet, but says

757
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:35,280
Speaker 1: that there is real scientific evidence backing the merits of soup,

758
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 1: especially for those with a cold.

759
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:39,560
Speaker 2: Right, So, this is the article that I'm talking about

760
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 2: in which they kind of go into the comforting level.

761
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 2: It actually does change of mood, It does actually help

762
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:49,800
Speaker 2: you feel a little better, a kind of that warmth

763
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:52,600
Speaker 2: that goes down your throat does ease your sore throats,

764
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:57,880
Speaker 2: stuff like that. So they're definitely great truths behind why

765
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 2: soups can be really good for you and amazing and

766
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:06,719
Speaker 2: perhaps the soup being too nutritious or being associated with

767
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 2: sickness and pampering makes it a girly food as well,

768
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:14,279
Speaker 2: Like again that whole like mom gave me soup as

769
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:17,120
Speaker 2: a child, when I was sick, or when I felt weak,

770
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 2: my partner gave me soup. Maybe that's what makes it feminine,

771
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:23,080
Speaker 2: Like you know, it's kind of that whole reach the

772
00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:26,320
Speaker 2: unconscious bias for some reason that you associated with weakness,

773
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:29,560
Speaker 2: so therefore it has to be feminine. I don't know.

774
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 2: Maybe I'm reaching for that, but I don't know if

775
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:34,400
Speaker 2: this correlations have anything to do with it. Yes, you

776
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:38,400
Speaker 2: can only eat soup if you're sick, dieting, or you're

777
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:41,359
Speaker 2: a girl. The one article was titled these foods will

778
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:44,920
Speaker 2: make you gay, and they were talking about soup, and

779
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 2: that's an article about water, saying you know you're not

780
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:50,440
Speaker 2: manly if you eat soup. So his implication was like

781
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 2: that you know you're gay if you eat soup. Obviously,

782
00:42:54,480 --> 00:43:00,799
Speaker 2: unless there's stews or chilies any only chilies. But all

783
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 2: that to say, I think soups are delicious. I will

784
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:06,720
Speaker 2: come back to let you know if I think chilis

785
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:10,399
Speaker 2: are soups or stews. I haven't really thought about this.

786
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:14,319
Speaker 2: I will ponder this. I think they are creative and

787
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 2: wonderfully diverse. I want some right now. I'm kidding, kind

788
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 2: of hungry, So there you go. Let me know. Do

789
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 2: you think soup is feminine?

790
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:30,360
Speaker 1: Better yet? Do you have souper recipes?

791
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:33,480
Speaker 2: Yeah? I love good recipe, easy easy, there's piece, y'all.

792
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 2: Of course, we didn't talk about the history of soup

793
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:39,520
Speaker 2: because we're not safer, but they did talk about the

794
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:44,800
Speaker 2: whole like popcn and how that really revolutionized soups as well,

795
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:48,680
Speaker 2: So maybe it being easy. I think this conversation about

796
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:51,279
Speaker 2: like hit the dude talking about how his wife made soup.

797
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:54,759
Speaker 2: I didn't read whether it was homemade soup or she

798
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:57,959
Speaker 2: just popped the can. And that's why he's implying that,

799
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 2: you know, this is cheating and it is not a

800
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:04,800
Speaker 2: full meal because it's not homemade quote unquote.

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00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 1: Well, there's also like, separately, I think a lot of

802
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:12,200
Speaker 1: people in the US associate soups with an appetizer. Therefore

803
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 1: it's not a whole meal. But I think you couldn't

804
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 1: have it for the whole meal. But also the history

805
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:20,440
Speaker 1: of soup making often required in the early early days,

806
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 1: women to stay by the fire or whatever heat source

807
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:28,840
Speaker 1: so it would go out. So I think it probably

808
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 1: got associated with women that way, and then men and whiches,

809
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:37,960
Speaker 1: and then men. There's a long history of men in

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00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:42,600
Speaker 1: the West, particularly, I'll say of they are the ones

811
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:46,880
Speaker 1: that bring home the meat, the domain of meat. So

812
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:54,239
Speaker 1: if soup doesn't have like meat in it, then not

813
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:58,800
Speaker 1: not mainly. No, Well, there's a lot to time back here, clearly, clearly,

814
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Speaker 1: so listeners, if you have any thoughts or recipes, please

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Speaker 1: let us know. We eat soup all the time. We're

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Speaker 1: year round people, so yeah, yeah, so send those our away.

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