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Speaker 7: Tell you what?
Speaker 3: Man?
Speaker 7: So who is the show about today?
Speaker 6: You know?
Speaker 7: Not about me, babe, No, no, no, no.
Speaker 3: Well we were talking about the Texans offense and the
Speaker 3: Cowboys defense. So Texans offense, we'll start there and probably
Speaker 3: do two and a half segments on it.
Speaker 8: You think you really think we can get to and
Speaker 8: a half segments of this offense?
Speaker 4: What you look? You've been setting this up.
Speaker 3: You walked in here before anybody was in here, with
Speaker 3: one foot out the door already you don't want to
Speaker 3: be here today.
Speaker 4: And then you've already told me I can make this
Speaker 4: one real quick.
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Speaker 4: You guys did good, good good.
Speaker 3: All right, Nate, if you can entertain us for a
Speaker 3: segment and a half, we'll let you go early today.
Speaker 7: All right, Jesse, what you got to say?
Speaker 4: Come on?
Speaker 6: Got something?
Speaker 7: Hey?
Speaker 8: Man, Hey, being honest, I said, you know, I've been
Speaker 8: here before. I've been in a bad situation where we've
Speaker 8: had more than a three game losing streak, and and
Speaker 8: and it's just as a.
Speaker 7: As an ex player.
Speaker 8: I'm like, I always wonder what the media did, what
Speaker 8: they said, how they prepared, how guys like such as us.
Speaker 8: They didn't have zoom back then, but it was always
Speaker 8: radio guys. I'm like, how did how did they brain
Speaker 8: content in a different way? How did you say stop
Speaker 8: to run in a different way? How do you say
Speaker 8: we got to defend better the past? Uh, you know better?
Speaker 8: How do we give it in a more entertaining way?
Speaker 7: And it just kept kept coming back to me.
Speaker 6: Yes, trust me. When you was having those thoughts back
Speaker 6: in the day, I was somewhere waiting for my dad
Speaker 6: to come pick me up. I was I was on
Speaker 6: the ports wait for him to come pick me up
Speaker 6: back in the nineties where you were having those thoughts.
Speaker 6: But for the Cowboys, well, let's go Houston right now.
Speaker 6: The the offense, honestly, they've had some injuries up front.
Speaker 6: They lost Nico Collins to a hamstring, so he's he's
Speaker 6: coming back this week. So I actually when I went
Speaker 6: and watched film, I was watching always so when I
Speaker 6: when I go to breakdown film, I always go the
Speaker 6: last game they just played, right because that recent that's
Speaker 6: recency bias. I want to see what happened, what transpired
Speaker 6: in the in the most recent game I can possibly see.
Speaker 6: And then my next thought process is we're doing offense,
Speaker 6: so I want to go then find games where they
Speaker 6: were the best at what they did offensively, scored some
Speaker 6: points and so on and so forth. And then once
Speaker 6: I started looking at that, I start my next thought process,
Speaker 6: is Houston right now or were or they were the
Speaker 6: last couple of weeks down a bunch of people due
Speaker 6: to injury offensively offensive lineman. Of course, Stefan Diggs was
Speaker 6: out and Nico Collins was out, and so I had
Speaker 6: to then go back to like week two or three
Speaker 6: because I wanted to see what the offense looked like
Speaker 6: with Nico in it, because there is some change, you know,
Speaker 6: when you have one of the best receivers in the league,
Speaker 6: at least top ten receivers in the league, and when
Speaker 6: you don't have them, right, So there was some there
Speaker 6: was some change in it. And so I went back
Speaker 6: and I looked, you know, to some earlier season games,
Speaker 6: and I'm you know, there are times I'll watch a quarter,
Speaker 6: I'll watch a half of football, depending on how the
Speaker 6: game goes. I'll watch an entire game, but I'll go half.
Speaker 6: I'll go watch a half that I feel like, you
Speaker 6: know what I need to see. I watch a lot
Speaker 6: of football in general. But I went and looked at
Speaker 6: this offense earlier in the year, and I compare it
Speaker 6: to what they were a week ago. And you talk
Speaker 6: about the vertical threat. The vertical threat, when you had
Speaker 6: Stefan Diggs and Nico Collins in it, it was there
Speaker 6: and they were pushing and driving the ball down the
Speaker 6: football field earlier in the year. Now when you lost
Speaker 6: those guys, of course, those things have changed. But I
Speaker 6: think when you go back, when you go to the
Speaker 6: game on Monday, you're gonna see more of that vertical threat.
Speaker 6: Nico Collins, a big, big receiver, can run, has great hands,
Speaker 6: good routes, and that will then open up for guys
Speaker 6: like Tank Dell, because if the Cowboys defensively are going
Speaker 6: to look like they did a week ago, then it's
Speaker 6: going to be more guys committed to the line of
Speaker 6: scrimmage right six seven, eight guys in the box, single
Speaker 6: high safety, some man coverage on the outside. Now, I
Speaker 6: don't know what they're gonna do, how short that leash
Speaker 6: may be with with Carson, you know, I'm sure they're
Speaker 6: giving them confidence do out this week to say hey,
Speaker 6: young fella, you got to go back out there again.
Speaker 6: We don't have a choice. Dron Bland is still running
Speaker 6: around and and and and and tennis shoes in the
Speaker 6: rehab Ruby even in cleats, so there's no no real
Speaker 6: sight that he's coming back to help the Cowboys defensively.
Speaker 6: I mean, maybe you go quicker than Israel Muamu, but
Speaker 6: you're talking about an elite route runner in and and
Speaker 6: Nico Collins, and then you're talking about one of the
Speaker 6: most shifty, quick and out of breaks and take down.
Speaker 6: So those are two things that don't really bode well
Speaker 6: for a god like you know, um.
Speaker 9: Where where does where? Doesn't break up your rhythm?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 4: And so what they it's not?
Speaker 6: You're good what Houston and they line up in many
Speaker 6: different forms. We know what they're office cordated to Bobby
Speaker 6: Sloan and how he is one of the hot names.
Speaker 6: Now I'll tell you this, Bobby Slowan, you need to
Speaker 6: get things going, my boy, because you were one of
Speaker 6: the hot names right behind Ben Johnson is being one
Speaker 6: of you get your falling off. The offense ain't been
Speaker 6: is hot and I get it. You face with injuries
Speaker 6: on the line, You face with injuries at your receiver spot,
Speaker 6: and so maybe your name took a little nick to it.
Speaker 6: Now we may be the reason why he gets back
Speaker 6: going again. His office is going. But you know what
Speaker 6: their left tackle is and Laramie Tunsel, right, he's one
Speaker 6: of the good ones. But they do have some soft
Speaker 6: spots in the middle of that offensive line. Now I
Speaker 6: say that, and I go, well, who do we have
Speaker 6: that are able to attack those soft spots in the
Speaker 6: interior of that offensive line? This is where I go
Speaker 6: and I look at Mike Zim I'm saying, here's where
Speaker 6: you got to get creative. If double a gape, double
Speaker 6: a gap blitzing is your thing, then you need to
Speaker 6: now start working some of that in because there are
Speaker 6: opportunities there. There are opportunities on their right tackle where
Speaker 6: you can probably get some pressure. You know, you know,
Speaker 6: I think a good battle is going to be laring
Speaker 6: me Tonsu and Michael Parsons. That's gonna be a good
Speaker 6: battle on that left hand side. Now what you have
Speaker 6: to do is I have to find where I can
Speaker 6: create another one on one where I win more than
Speaker 6: I lose and or stalemate because stale mating means that
Speaker 6: ain't no pressure happening. I need to win. I need
Speaker 6: to find areas where I can go and win. And
Speaker 6: that's possible in the middle. However, you want to be
Speaker 6: creative about it. That's possible at times on the right edge,
Speaker 6: on the right tackle if you get creative at times.
Speaker 6: But if you don't, oh boy, if you can't figure
Speaker 6: out a way to get that type of pressure, and
Speaker 6: may this may go into my stat This may go
Speaker 6: into my stat tomorrow. Take down on any of those
Speaker 6: over routes, he's going to have a field day. Good speed,
Speaker 6: his speed, his shiftiness, his quickness. If they're allowing CJ.
Speaker 6: Stroud to sit in that pocket, unabated, untouched, comfortable, Stefan
Speaker 6: Trayvon Diggs. Whatever corner you want to put opposite of him,
Speaker 6: whatever safety you want to put back, there will be
Speaker 6: in a blender. Hell will be upon them. You gotta
Speaker 6: get to CJ. Stroud so that those routes aren't allowed
Speaker 6: to develop, they aren't able to push the ball down
Speaker 6: the football field. But of course, if i'm if I'm
Speaker 6: Bobby Sloweck, I've watched all the film that I need
Speaker 6: to watch, and I know that Joe mixons to touch
Speaker 6: the ball nineteen to twenty four times in this football game.
Speaker 3: Go back to Nico Collins, PFF. This surprises me. Been
Speaker 3: out been out a month?
Speaker 7: Right? Yes, five games.
Speaker 3: PFF has him ranked the number one receiver in the NFL.
Speaker 5: Thanks Kurt, we know how you like. PFF.
Speaker 3: One hundred and thirteen point four yards per game a
Speaker 3: receiver being out with a hamstring injury for a month.
Speaker 6: Is it good? I was going to say one hundred
Speaker 6: how many yards a game?
Speaker 5: One hundred and thirteen point four?
Speaker 6: If you can't look up, look up how many yards
Speaker 6: per like his per catch yardage the receiver.
Speaker 4: Coming back hamstring a month.
Speaker 3: Can't do a lot of cardio with the hamstring, right,
Speaker 3: How much can we expect out of him this game
Speaker 3: with his beat his first game back. Is there going
Speaker 3: to be a ramp up for a game or two
Speaker 3: to get into football shape again?
Speaker 5: Or is he the big enough, physical.
Speaker 6: Enough get seventeen points.
Speaker 4: It's a lot of yards.
Speaker 6: We call those explosively.
Speaker 3: So wait a minute, I'm doing the math here. So
Speaker 3: one catch from him is what just one reception has
Speaker 3: average is three times longer than five times? Three times
Speaker 3: aren't in any ball that Cooper threw.
Speaker 6: He was telling you something, right to something.
Speaker 5: The longest one he had was five yards.
Speaker 8: You know, Jests was talking about how do you get them?
Speaker 8: And in the two films that I watched, the two
Speaker 8: and a half Femur, you can get there. They the
Speaker 8: office is line are very leaky. And what I mean
Speaker 8: by that twist this fall is right into Partson's hands
Speaker 8: to tackle end stunts and tackle end games. And even
Speaker 8: more so, uh your a m B gaps.
Speaker 7: I saw him blitzing. I saw the Jets.
Speaker 8: I saw this last game where they hit them a
Speaker 8: M B gaps And so they are real leaky. And
Speaker 8: a lot of times they get confused, and then they
Speaker 8: brought that nickel one time off the corner, and they
Speaker 8: brought that safety one time off the corner.
Speaker 7: So you can get their offense line. You can mix them.
Speaker 6: My only pushback to that is talk about those things.
Speaker 7: I go.
Speaker 6: You said the Jets and you said Detroit. Talk talk
Speaker 6: about Quintin Williams, right, talking about one of the best
Speaker 6: interior defeative linemans.
Speaker 7: So it matters.
Speaker 6: So when he when he punched and then they loop around,
Speaker 6: they go follow him and no snap, he's coming. Oh
Speaker 6: you talking about the McNeill over at Detroit right like
Speaker 6: he's playing at a He's playing, you know, probably going
Speaker 6: to Pro Bowl this year or at least be in consideration.
Speaker 6: That's the only thing is that when you talk about these.
Speaker 5: Things, you have the players.
Speaker 6: You have the players that require the attention. These guys
Speaker 6: Quintin Williams requires a double team. You ain't. You ain't
Speaker 6: lining up every day and down against Quinn Williams.
Speaker 8: Michaeh in the mix, he's gonna be on the outside
Speaker 8: the tackle where to tackle Hits tackle goes straight out,
Speaker 8: over the tackle over the guard goes straight out and
Speaker 8: hit the uh the tackle of the offense, and that
Speaker 8: guy loops the background vice versas. And the thing is,
Speaker 8: you got you gotta have a guy that's dangerous from
Speaker 8: that inside because.
Speaker 6: Because you are automatically afraid of that initial sir.
Speaker 7: Two things he's doing.
Speaker 8: He's opening up the pocket as while it's making the pocket,
Speaker 8: he slaps in it. So I saw, I saw those
Speaker 8: two teams do that. Now can we do it that?
Speaker 7: Like Jesse?
Speaker 8: That is the question. But the thing is that you
Speaker 8: can confuse him. But they made mixing almost a nun factor.
Speaker 8: Early in the game. They started getting at them, getting
Speaker 8: at them. See they're not great pass blockers, they're average
Speaker 8: run blockers, but.
Speaker 7: They can maul you. They'll lay on you. They got
Speaker 7: they got some.
Speaker 8: They are some of the best holding guys that don't
Speaker 8: get called. You watch the pass rush man, they be
Speaker 8: on the edge holding. I'd be like, how did he
Speaker 8: get away with that? But and they know how to
Speaker 8: let louis and not go. You know, most when you
Speaker 8: do this, the refs, you know they can hold. They
Speaker 8: are good and so what that tells me They don't
Speaker 8: have great feet, but they have great strength, you know,
Speaker 8: like Tyron.
Speaker 7: But Tyrone had great feet. But when Tyron used to put.
Speaker 8: His hands on you, you're done and this is how
Speaker 8: these guys are.
Speaker 7: You got to be moving. So coach got to come
Speaker 7: up with a scheme.
Speaker 8: Well, don't let these guys stand pat you gotta be moving.
Speaker 7: You have to be moving.
Speaker 4: All right, Let's take our first break.
Speaker 3: When we come back, Jesse will answer my question to
Speaker 3: say that they so rudely interrupted and didn't have one thought,
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Speaker 4: The first segment just went with the show actually actually
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Speaker 7: Segue into a full question. Can we segue into that
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Speaker 7: So you you been to Pump eight lately? Yes?
Speaker 6: I was there yesterday. Was that pump it yesterday?
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Speaker 6: I got the thirty five dollars of Pumpy's.
Speaker 7: As many points we're going to score this week?
Speaker 6: The kind of boy eight or thirty five eight eight
Speaker 6: thirty eight that's gonna be the school thirty five eight.
Speaker 8: I'll wait for your other prediction, thirty It sounds better
Speaker 8: than the score.
Speaker 4: Uh nay, can ask my question now?
Speaker 7: Yes you can, sir. I'm sorry for interrupting earlier.
Speaker 8: Interrupt you boy, I'm not I'm not gonna do it, Jesse,
Speaker 8: but ess what we were saying.
Speaker 6: You times.
Speaker 5: Sometimes I really love this show. Sometimes I just don't
Speaker 5: even want to be here.
Speaker 6: Se Yea, I don't understand what this one we have
Speaker 6: the perfect synergy in harmony. We understand it.
Speaker 5: Don't talk, ask questions, you can't cut him off.
Speaker 6: And I don't do no research.
Speaker 7: You see what I'm saying he does. You see what
Speaker 7: I'm saying he does.
Speaker 6: Lorrin Buffett said, to build the best team, you have
Speaker 6: to get people not as the same strength as you,
Speaker 6: but their strips are your weaknesses. So I build my
Speaker 6: team properly. You built this team, my team?
Speaker 5: Who built this team?
Speaker 7: There?
Speaker 3: Did he build this team or did we kind of
Speaker 3: organically build it ourselves?
Speaker 6: I think, Oh, I got fired from one job and
Speaker 6: he need somewhere to me to go. I think I
Speaker 6: had to open seat. Were you here before that? No?
Speaker 7: No, I I was doing TV.
Speaker 4: Oh for some reason, I thought you were already here.
Speaker 6: When the other black guy on that one, who I
Speaker 6: don't know.
Speaker 7: I don't know either.
Speaker 6: They say, all black guys look alike. That's what they said.
Speaker 5: Hmmm, who else been on this show?
Speaker 3: US three started with Hellman started, Josh started, Josh and hell.
Speaker 9: The very roots of it were Josh and Jeff Sullivan.
Speaker 6: It was right based on.
Speaker 9: The magazine Okay, and then it went Josh and Hellman,
Speaker 9: maybe and you and I.
Speaker 4: Got somehow you know, and then Josh and it was
Speaker 4: me Helman, it was.
Speaker 9: Me and you and Josh for a while, and then
Speaker 9: it was you and Nate and then and.
Speaker 3: Then Jesse got added up there Okay, then came back
Speaker 3: they had Holly that thing.
Speaker 6: See is that what happened? I don't know, but I
Speaker 6: feel like talking about myself now.
Speaker 7: I did.
Speaker 8: I was tired of fussing with Kurt.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I get Can you ask your question? You didn't
Speaker 7: getting mad at I forgot it.
Speaker 4: No, I was asking what I know what you're about
Speaker 4: to do?
Speaker 6: Go ahead and do it?
Speaker 7: Okay.
Speaker 3: Nico Collins a receiver being out for a month, how
Speaker 3: much ramp up is it gonna be?
Speaker 6: You know that ramp up stuff as a cowboy thing.
Speaker 4: I really believe it, really, so you think he could
Speaker 4: get in this game?
Speaker 6: If Nico, If Nico is being activated for this game,
Speaker 6: he was running last week, I think he's like he's yeah.
Speaker 9: He was hevated actually on Friday, but yeah, he was
Speaker 9: a healthy scratch basically.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he was getting ready for these cowboys.
Speaker 6: And we need everybody take this ramp up things till
Speaker 6: weeks upon a time that you got to get ramped
Speaker 6: up and ramped up. Some more football players play football.
Speaker 9: How does Nico compare to CD?
Speaker 6: Because there are the.
Speaker 4: Top you said top ten. PFF's got him ranked is
Speaker 4: number one? Like where where what is he like? For
Speaker 4: people that haven't watched him, where would you put him?
Speaker 5: Is he had Justin.
Speaker 4: Jefferson type guys? He had Cooper Cup time guy.
Speaker 6: He's a mixture. He's not Chase Jet. He's not Justin Jefferson.
Speaker 6: He's not Jamar Chase. I think those guys are you know,
Speaker 6: you lead those guys by themselves. You let them just
Speaker 6: you know what I'm saying. You put them in there.
Speaker 3: Like you got right now, You've got Patrick Mahomes and
Speaker 3: then everybody there's another tier and then everybody else receivers.
Speaker 5: There's two dudes, right.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think he's in the conversation of being CD.
Speaker 6: He's he's a bigger receiver. He runs fast, he has
Speaker 6: a large catch radius, run good routes. I mean, he's he's,
Speaker 6: he's he's everything you want in a receiver. Like he's
Speaker 6: you know what I'm saying, Like, I don't know how
Speaker 6: like he is is he I don't. I mean, he
Speaker 6: has body control, he has good hands, he's he can,
Speaker 6: he's a vertical threat. He's intermediate.
Speaker 7: Faster Mike. He's a faster Mike, Mike, Mike, Michael. Yeah,
Speaker 7: he's a faster mis.
Speaker 6: He's more fluid than Mike. You know, Mike was a
Speaker 6: little stiffy. Was Mike was a little stiffy.
Speaker 7: But after about five thousand slants.
Speaker 6: Slants about following slants and bang eights and it'll stiffen
Speaker 6: you up a little bit. But but that's what.
Speaker 7: Yeah, Like, he's a big man.
Speaker 4: He's like Calvin Johnson type build right six.
Speaker 6: Come on now, like you keep throwing names out. He's
Speaker 6: just he's into. He's in the he's in there. He's
Speaker 6: in there. He is like I said, he's a big receiver.
Speaker 6: He can run, he's a target. He's a big black man.
Speaker 8: Hey, Hey, but rank ranking receivers man, because what I'm
Speaker 8: telling them about it was your first name. Those guys
Speaker 8: are real special type man.
Speaker 6: Depending on well, for me, it just depends on what
Speaker 6: day it is, because one day I'll say Chase, one
Speaker 6: day I'll say jet As being the number one guy.
Speaker 6: But those two guys are un doubtedly one and two
Speaker 6: or one A, one B. However you want to put
Speaker 6: him in that conversation the next for me, honestly, like
Speaker 6: CDs in that conversation, Ceedee Lamb is in that he's
Speaker 6: next for me. Then you could put Nico depending on
Speaker 6: what Tyreek Hill, what kind of quarterback he has, if
Speaker 6: and when he has a quarterback. I think Tyreek Hill
Speaker 6: is still one of those guys that can can can
Speaker 6: can record game.
Speaker 7: You know what this is funny.
Speaker 8: I love seeing Tyree warm up because he'll do quick
Speaker 8: moves every now and then he'll just you're talking about
Speaker 8: quick as a cat.
Speaker 7: I mean if you.
Speaker 8: See him warm up before a game, and sometimes he'll
Speaker 8: go to just moving around real quick.
Speaker 7: And then he'll get in the game and do some
Speaker 7: of them same moves.
Speaker 8: If his quarterback was one hundred percent healthy and really
Speaker 8: connecting with him, oh my god, it would be unreal.
Speaker 7: Man. But anyway, I go ahead on so them your
Speaker 7: five guys, Yeah.
Speaker 6: And then everybody else's it's kind of like they can.
Speaker 6: You can put him at anywhere. You can say Cooper Cup,
Speaker 6: you can say George pick No, I like me some
Speaker 6: George Pickings. Now, Now he ain't he ain't raped too tight, boy,
Speaker 6: he doesn't. He ain't listening in his brain. In his brain,
Speaker 6: ain't too much more still.
Speaker 7: Just finding them type guys, that's a prototype.
Speaker 6: They know talent, they don't know character. They can identified.
Speaker 3: You don't do the brainwaight is if you go spend
Speaker 3: like over three years in Pittsburgh, it's just unwise.
Speaker 6: I ain't come with that. That ain't that ain't that
Speaker 6: ain't the you you born with that right there? But boy,
Speaker 6: George Pickens, I like me some George Pickens man. You
Speaker 6: put him if he had a.
Speaker 7: Real quarterback, a younger quarter if you.
Speaker 6: If you were to put George Pickens with Josh Allen, yes,
Speaker 6: with Patrick Mahomes with but he he could break he
Speaker 6: could break the two thousand yard mark. That's how skills
Speaker 6: he is.
Speaker 8: But he is the number one. And I don't care
Speaker 8: what that PF whatever chain you you're looking at. He
Speaker 8: contested catches, contested catches, you know, food always for somebody
Speaker 8: to like, I'm sorry, what's the name PFF like yeah, PF.
Speaker 6: Take yeah, wow, wow.
Speaker 4: You just do not want to be here today.
Speaker 7: No, I'm here, I'm here.
Speaker 8: You're here, Chris, hold on now, Chris, I'm sitting down
Speaker 8: and you still got me at the top of the art, Chris.
Speaker 6: So this squirrel so also so Also for the Texans,
Speaker 6: you know, there isn't another one of those teams where
Speaker 6: you'll see them use their tight end. Like like, more
Speaker 6: teams than ever is going, more than I've seen in
Speaker 6: a long time. Teams getting into this twelve personnel.
Speaker 4: Who's their tight end. Kurt Dalton say his name again,
Speaker 4: Get him again one more time.
Speaker 6: Alright, I don't want to get injured that.
Speaker 7: He's still crying over.
Speaker 6: But like I said, they get into that twelve personnel
Speaker 6: man and they're gonna run. Joe Mixing and Joe Mixon,
Speaker 6: he runs runs angry.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this surprised me. Their twentieth and rushing yards per carry.
Speaker 3: I thought it'd be higher than that. But Mixing's tied
Speaker 3: for six and touchdowns with seven, tied for tenth and
Speaker 3: carries with the Hunt fifty one, and thirteenth in yards
Speaker 3: with six fifty five.
Speaker 6: If my personal opinion, they had to get more into
Speaker 6: this run game when they when they started losing off
Speaker 6: of some linemen and then their two top receivers got
Speaker 6: hurt so early in the year they were they were
Speaker 6: letting that thing fly right in the run game was
Speaker 6: just kind of a bonus to it. It was like,
Speaker 6: let's just stay balanced. Let's just say, you know, keep
Speaker 6: them keep them minds to the line of scrivage. But
Speaker 6: they were trying to pass that thing around between u
Speaker 6: Stefan Diggs and Tank Dell and Nico Collins and Dalton
Speaker 6: Shorts Schultz. They were passing the ball earlier in the year.
Speaker 6: But then when God's beginning to fall off, you start
Speaker 6: seeing it all right, now, we got to slow this
Speaker 6: game down a little bit. We gotta muck it up,
Speaker 6: we gotta get a little dirty. We gotta be able
Speaker 6: to you know, to to to get to the fourth
Speaker 6: quarter with a fighting chance and then be able to
Speaker 6: make some plays. So that's why you see the kind
Speaker 6: of the later surge of the running game becoming more
Speaker 6: prominent because of all the injurges that they had, Like
Speaker 6: it was like week three or four or something like that.
Speaker 3: Right, I have a question when we come back from
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Speaker 3: because you're good.
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Speaker 4: All right, I have a question for you, Jess.
Speaker 3: With with Nico Collins coming out, you brought up a
Speaker 3: good point they were running by necessity, right, with injuries
Speaker 3: and things like that. Now you have your full complement
Speaker 3: of weapons, right, and you look at the Cowboys and
Speaker 3: you've realized you've got a glaring weakness that cornerback. You've
Speaker 3: got a glaring weakness up the middle with the run game.
Speaker 3: How do you decide, like you could attack both areas
Speaker 3: and probably have six sess, how do you when it's
Speaker 3: that wide open? How do you decide what your game
Speaker 3: plan is and go, here's where I'm going with the ball,
Speaker 3: and here's how long I'm sticking with it, and here's
Speaker 3: my first fourteen and.
Speaker 6: I'll give it to you. In this terms, we talk
Speaker 6: about percentages. What's the highest percentage shot in basketball?
Speaker 5: Dun't layup, don't.
Speaker 6: What's the what's the what's what's that? I think that
Speaker 6: was just a chair and.
Speaker 4: Share what stuff to me?
Speaker 6: What's what's the what's the least percentage shot in the NBA?
Speaker 5: Half court.
Speaker 7: Well, nowadays it's percentage, so bye bye.
Speaker 6: If the layup is there, why shoot the three?
Speaker 7: Right?
Speaker 5: So the run game, you're sticking with a run game.
Speaker 6: That's the that's the higher percentage points, right, like me
Speaker 6: handing the ball off and getting five, six, seven yards
Speaker 6: a clip all the way up and down the field.
Speaker 6: If that's available, Why take the high percentage shot of
Speaker 6: a fade away three when you got a layup? You
Speaker 6: see what I'm saying, Like, why give Michael Parsons and
Speaker 6: the marrow over showing a chance to strip, sack, fumble
Speaker 6: to swing momentum when all I gotta do is just
Speaker 6: keep driving the ball down the floor.
Speaker 3: So with that being said, do you go into this
Speaker 3: game with the run as the centerpiece and then put
Speaker 3: some play action in there to set up the big
Speaker 3: play and take some shots when it looks right?
Speaker 6: And like stealing candy from a baby.
Speaker 8: The other smart coach and I think coach Ryan is Ryan's. Yeah,
Speaker 8: he don't play situation in football. It's under twenty. He
Speaker 8: gonna hand it to his running back, you know if
Speaker 8: he like you say the numbers, the numbers go like
Speaker 8: it's supposed to go, and his third and whatever, he'll
Speaker 8: continue around. But if you cramp him up a little bit,
Speaker 8: and he's gonna take a shot. So uh, I think
Speaker 8: he's gonna play great situational football. And he gonna asks
Speaker 8: his coordinators offensive coordinator you know which is coach Floyd Hey.
Speaker 8: He were going because much like the Eagles defense did
Speaker 8: last week, just continued to play, continued to play.
Speaker 7: Then the third quarter they crunk it up a little bit.
Speaker 7: Then they but they fell back into who they were.
Speaker 8: So uh but we but I do have an answer
Speaker 8: for this.
Speaker 6: The film was out of what happened last week against
Speaker 6: Kaylen Carson. Like that ain't go nowhere, Like they couldn't,
Speaker 6: like the Cowboys couldn't take that film and burn it
Speaker 6: so that no one else could see it. Right, So
Speaker 6: that player is still going to suit up and be
Speaker 6: on the football field. So when that moment in time
Speaker 6: comes and they decide, well, we're gonna go seven in
Speaker 6: the box. Because Joe Mixing this ran off a couple,
Speaker 6: you know, a clip of three at six hours, a
Speaker 6: clip they see just all gonna look outside and go, oh,
Speaker 6: one on one, Nico, let's check your check your hand,
Speaker 6: let's check it. Let's let's check the hammy or tank. Hey,
Speaker 6: let's see it. Let's see how all that speed of
Speaker 6: energy comes out of him and you put the brakes
Speaker 6: on it. Then he breaks down and you take off again.
Speaker 9: Like like we've talked about a guide where you just
Speaker 9: got to get reps. Do you do the same thing
Speaker 9: with Carson? You just got to take his bruises.
Speaker 6: I mean, y'all believe that I'm not the one on
Speaker 6: this show that believes giving people reps makes them better.
Speaker 8: I believe giving people the proper reps makes people better.
Speaker 8: But in our game that we play, I'm talking to
Speaker 8: me and Jess for this is you got to have
Speaker 8: a certain amount of confidence, and even when you're getting beat,
Speaker 8: you got to be download this and learning at some
Speaker 8: point in that game. Every player that I played with
Speaker 8: that had to go through this a little bit as
Speaker 8: a draft pick, as a free agent, I'll either come
Speaker 8: into a new team learning a new system. At no
Speaker 8: point did this kid even challengem challenge yourself. Now, I
Speaker 8: got to bring you out of the game as a
Speaker 8: coach because it's.
Speaker 7: Third and six. Why are you back third wind? You're
Speaker 7: back twelve yards off the ball.
Speaker 8: You're gonna give him the first no, at least creep
Speaker 8: up to seven at either eight, so you can at
Speaker 8: least run up there and make your contest to catch
Speaker 8: or something. But when you see a kid and see
Speaker 8: this one, I'm a little bit different. When you see
Speaker 8: a kid, what's a kid named Moremo mcuamo should have
Speaker 8: been in that much earlier. Why do you have to
Speaker 8: just beat a kid down before you make a change.
Speaker 8: That ain't cool as to me, That ain't cool As
Speaker 8: a coach. You you you see fifteen seventeen twenty coach,
Speaker 8: this kid ain't gonna move up. We all see that.
Speaker 8: Put somebody else in there who's gonna least be competitive.
Speaker 8: How you feel, how you spending it?
Speaker 6: Yeah, listen, I'm right there with you. But I also
Speaker 6: think sometimes coaches look back there and I go, it's
Speaker 6: still our best option, Like he might still be our
Speaker 6: best option. Yeah, he might still be our best I
Speaker 6: mean they tried to.
Speaker 7: Last week.
Speaker 8: Did not prove the point that forget where you're drafted.
Speaker 7: Forget did last.
Speaker 8: Week not prove a point that sometimes what we're facing
Speaker 8: on this team is every game you get half our fans.
Speaker 7: And saying, man, they would just play hard.
Speaker 8: It looks different when you look at certain teams getting
Speaker 8: beat We saw Detroit come back and beat a team.
Speaker 8: Were the five interceptions Detroit had, But at not one
Speaker 8: point did you see Detroit not playing hard. That's how
Speaker 8: you get back in games truly, like the Ravens. We
Speaker 8: had a shot at the Ravens where if you'd have
Speaker 8: played hard the whole aim and into the wall the
Speaker 8: whole game.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I would have believed that. But you're picking your spots,
Speaker 7: and when you pick your spots, you're inconsistent. And that's
Speaker 7: when you're inconsistent from the top, it goes all the
Speaker 7: way to the bottom.
Speaker 6: We'll see. I think I think what you just said
Speaker 6: is probably a conversation that we can I mean, that's
Speaker 6: a segment conversation, that's a whole segment because you know
Speaker 6: the team that you name that that's a culture thing. Yeah,
Speaker 6: that's a culture thing. Those teams play that way because
Speaker 6: that's what's branding them, that's what's talked to them about,
Speaker 6: that's what they practice like that. And that's the biggest
Speaker 6: thing is that you know, we keep looking at wanting
Speaker 6: certain things from this team and these players and it
Speaker 6: ain't a part of the culture. They're like, yeah, you said,
Speaker 6: playing hard. That's easy to yeah, but it ain't. Yeah,
Speaker 6: but it ain't. And and and we always because we
Speaker 6: have a three times Super Bowl champion here, and I
Speaker 6: always reference back to that. You couldn't do that at
Speaker 6: day practice. So you couldn't do that then, because not
Speaker 6: only would you stick out like a sore thumb, they
Speaker 6: be on your tail. See, it was for you to
Speaker 6: come out there and practice and not go full speed
Speaker 6: and not give the proper looks and not do the
Speaker 6: proper things. Was a backhanded smack to the other guys
Speaker 6: out there, and the great players. The Michael Irvis wasn't
Speaker 6: allowing that. The Troy Aikomas weren't allowing that. The Dion's
Speaker 6: when he was here, or Darrin Woodson's or the Bill
Speaker 6: Bates or the whoever you want to name. Those who
Speaker 6: stood out, those who were on the billboard, those who
Speaker 6: were on the magazine Charles said, that was on the
Speaker 6: magazine cover, those who are on the trading cards, those
Speaker 6: who had the jersey cells. Those dudes wasn't allowing that
Speaker 6: to happen. And it wasn't lip service. They weren't just
Speaker 6: telling you, oh, come on, you gotta be better. They're like, nah,
Speaker 6: and no matter what I did last night, I'm out
Speaker 6: here and I'm going one hundred miles an hour. So
Speaker 6: when you when you get to the game, it isn't
Speaker 6: it isn't a switch that you're trying to turn off
Speaker 6: and on. It becomes a way of life. It becomes
Speaker 6: a way that you play the game. So they get
Speaker 6: into this game and say, you know, play harder, try harder,
Speaker 6: do harder. Well, you're asking them to do something that's abnormal.
Speaker 6: And when it's not normal to you, the first the
Speaker 6: first sign of fatigue, or the first sign of resistance,
Speaker 6: or the first sign of something that's pudding adversity, you
Speaker 6: go back to what you're normally used to. Those guys
Speaker 6: didn't do that. Those good the Detroit Lions didn't do that.
Speaker 6: The Chiefs you want to name, the Ravens, you want
Speaker 6: to name those good teams. When they get on the
Speaker 6: football field on Sunday, it is a direct representation of
Speaker 6: what their culture is. And so when we talk about
Speaker 6: this team and how it looks something I said, there's
Speaker 6: a whole nother topic for old of the day. We're
Speaker 6: seeing the culture. We're seeing what's allowed at practice, We're
Speaker 6: seeing the kind of players that you brought into the building,
Speaker 6: and that always is going to be the outcome of
Speaker 6: your team on game day. And you can even sprinkle
Speaker 6: in victories and you can sprinkle in victory of winning streaks. Oh,
Speaker 6: but when it comes time for that, when it comes
Speaker 6: time for you to have to when you when you
Speaker 6: when you, when you meet that adversity, or you meet
Speaker 6: somebody as good as you are, better, equal, better, you fall,
Speaker 6: You fall through the cracks because they have a lifestyle
Speaker 6: on which they approach it with. They have attention to details,
Speaker 6: and you do not. And that's why you see certain
Speaker 6: things happen in the games that matter the most with
Speaker 6: the with with with these players here. But again that's
Speaker 6: a whole other thing for a whole other day that
Speaker 6: we can talk about.
Speaker 8: But yeah, you know, I really like the fall. You
Speaker 8: said it didn't matter what happened last night, because it didn't.
Speaker 5: Or this or this morning.
Speaker 6: I know enough of y'all. I heard the stories.
Speaker 7: I mean it.
Speaker 6: Didn't and yeah, but you showed up the next day, right,
Speaker 6: because if you didn't, you get embarrassed.
Speaker 8: Yeah you you you got that same person gonna coach
Speaker 8: and say, man, now you ain't like that last night.
Speaker 7: Because I was that I'm on now.
Speaker 8: I had a coach when I my short step with
Speaker 8: the Washington Commanders used to be the Redskins. Coach Gibbs
Speaker 8: called me in his office and base he said the
Speaker 8: same thing, he said, and then I can't think of
Speaker 8: the offensive line coach too.
Speaker 7: He got the coach. Head coach got through.
Speaker 8: The offensive line coach basically said the same thing everybody
Speaker 8: last night. I mean, we had went out, had a
Speaker 8: blowout time drinking just year after beer. Don't you know
Speaker 8: these same guys was drinking with you. How you couldn't
Speaker 8: make it through practice and they made it through practice?
Speaker 8: He said, don't you drink if you can't make it
Speaker 8: through practice.
Speaker 6: Okay, all right, yeah.
Speaker 7: I mean he will read me out, but at least
Speaker 7: made it to the last cut.
Speaker 8: If football ain't the priority, no matter what happened in
Speaker 8: my life outside that field, if football can't be your priority,
Speaker 8: you're doing it wrong. It's got to be the only
Speaker 8: thing that matters. It's got to.
Speaker 7: Be I trained my drinking habits the way I at.
Speaker 7: I mean, yet, look like, uh, you.
Speaker 6: Understood you hung?
Speaker 7: You got to be that?
Speaker 12: Yeah, you got to be hung? Yeah, he yes, you
Speaker 12: go a table until tomorrow.
Speaker 4: Who you got tonight? Washington and Philly?
Speaker 7: Who that?
Speaker 6: Who that gonna beat that?
Speaker 7: Who that? Man? I don't mess with neither one of
Speaker 7: them teams. Whoever win wins?
Speaker 4: Who ya?
Speaker 7: Who y'all got? I ain't going neither won them? They
Speaker 7: all four games ahead. Washington is a four.
Speaker 4: Point underdog on the road at Philly.
Speaker 6: I think I think I think Philadelphia's coming into their
Speaker 6: own Yeah.
Speaker 7: Who you got, Chris?
Speaker 6: Look good man?
Speaker 7: Who you got? Kurt? I ain't got neither one of them.
Speaker 7: I'm gonna watch the game.
Speaker 5: What do you say, Kurt, Philly?
Speaker 9: Like you said, they're coming their own, They're at home.
Speaker 5: What do you think, Chris? I think it's gonna be
Speaker 5: a Philly good game. Tune in, we'll talk about it.
Speaker 6: It'll be a good game.
Speaker 4: Let's talk about Let's spend a little bit time on C. J.
Speaker 4: Stroud tomorrow. He's numbers have taken a step back.
Speaker 3: I'm interested to get your feedback on if that's a
Speaker 3: byproduct of injuries and things like that, focusing on the
Speaker 3: run game, or if what you see on film and then.
Speaker 4: Phone calls a A A eight five five two two
Speaker 4: nine seven call us. We wanted to have you feet
Speaker 4: that game.
Speaker 6: You know what, you know, you know what. Estralla is
Speaker 6: starting to kind of notice now like he's dealing with
Speaker 6: now what it's different when you were the hunter, Now
Speaker 6: you're the hunted.
Speaker 4: Ye yep, got a target on your back.
Speaker 7: He still can throw them, all right.
Speaker 3: Fellas, good stuff, Nate, thanks for at least sitting in
Speaker 3: the chair today showing.
Speaker 7: You a nice shirts. Fellas. I'm coming back then.
Speaker 4: Thanks for keeping us on the air. Jazz and Josh,
Speaker 4: thanks for being okay.
Speaker 7: Did he lower me down or did not lower myself?
Speaker 7: I think I lower himself.
Speaker 4: Wow, we will be back here. It looks like a chair.
Speaker 7: Whoa, whoa, whoa.
Speaker 4: That's good.
Speaker 7: We can start up.
Speaker 4: Tomorrow. Boys. Yeah.
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