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Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of the Around the NFL podcast,
Speaker 1: presented by the United States Marine Corps. My name is
Speaker 1: Dan Hansas. Joined in root build the Heroes, Mark Sessler,
Speaker 1: Chris Westling, and Greg Rosa thought, what is up? Boys? Hey? Dan? WHOA?
Speaker 1: What's up? Mark? Not too much feeling good? It's the
Speaker 1: middle of the week almost How are you seven years
Speaker 1: guys together that this chemistry does not even almost just
Speaker 1: happen overnight? Listeners, I mean you can't teach this. We
Speaker 1: are entering week eleven, Mark effective Thursday. Um. Famously, your
Speaker 1: your view of what the NFL calendar is is different
Speaker 1: than some others. Do you feel that we're halfway through
Speaker 1: the season yet? I do? I also think that you
Speaker 1: know you it was a narrative for many years that
Speaker 1: by now I had basically given up on the sport
Speaker 1: and moved on to an off season mentality. It's not
Speaker 1: true this time around, you feel good, you feel fresh.
Speaker 1: It wasn't true last year. It just I like to
Speaker 1: kill old narratives that aren't actually based in fact anymore.
Speaker 1: I'm enjoying the season the best I can. My team
Speaker 1: can continues to be a hot mess on wheels, but
Speaker 1: that's been a consistent B line through it all. You know,
Speaker 1: it helps give you a little turbo boost your Super
Speaker 1: Bowl prediction Seattle Seahawks that is on Classic It's gonna
Speaker 1: it's gonna give. It's like, you know, injecting one of
Speaker 1: those B twelves or whatever into your fay when you
Speaker 1: can revise your Super Bowl pick in early November and
Speaker 1: then sort of just right, we did that out like
Speaker 1: it was some great predicted that no one needs to
Speaker 1: know about the nuances involved. It just looks good right now.
Speaker 1: Does give me an idea that, um, right after Super
Speaker 1: Bowl or with like two minutes ago in the Super
Speaker 1: Bowl when the games decided, I will manipulate a photo
Speaker 1: to make it seem like it was a post with
Speaker 1: those super Bowl teams and then the score off by
Speaker 1: like two points. So if it's one, I'll have it
Speaker 1: and be like almost got it, just missed that. It works.
Speaker 1: It's an effective strategy. Employ it. It gives me a
Speaker 1: chance to, you know, bring up the fact that I
Speaker 1: got the Ravens forty nine or super Bowl score correct
Speaker 1: when we did our podcast way back in the day,
Speaker 1: or what did we not have a podcast back then?
Speaker 1: Maybe that was this NFL do nobody cares. I predicted
Speaker 1: the blackout though, which is a different type of prediction
Speaker 1: to Nail. I. I predicted the Antler spray drama. Another
Speaker 1: one to that game West at that point was a
Speaker 1: dock with a drink in his hand and a laptop
Speaker 1: in Los Angeles, in Los Angeles reporting during that Super
Speaker 1: Bowl footloose and fancy free. All right, Anyway, that's the past.
Speaker 1: That was then. This is now and we have a
Speaker 1: lot to get to. Um I mentioned week eleven, we're
Speaker 1: gonna preview that first game it's the Steelers at the Browns.
Speaker 1: I think we already we already talked about, um the
Speaker 1: Broncos game being a dirt knap game for the Browns.
Speaker 1: So but actually after some teams lose and the Browns
Speaker 1: win if they if they figure out a way to
Speaker 1: win that game, people in Cleveland are gonna be excited.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you that. I don't know about you, Mark,
Speaker 1: people in Cleveland will be yes. We will also, UM,
Speaker 1: we're thinking about this, you know, with UM coaches, and
Speaker 1: this will be become a bigger and bigger storyline as
Speaker 1: we get closer, because now it's reached the stage in
Speaker 1: the NFL where a full quarter of the coaches get
Speaker 1: fired every year. I mean, that's crazy. One fourth of
Speaker 1: the coaches go down UM and backing out like a
Speaker 1: rule from the competition committed, not a rule. Imagine if
Speaker 1: it was now, that would be kind of fun. I
Speaker 1: mean everyone right, but it would be intriguing. They wouldn't
Speaker 1: stick with the rule anyway. So I looked it up
Speaker 1: about three months ago, almost three months ago exactly, I
Speaker 1: wrote a column on this site about hot butts and
Speaker 1: the hot butt rankings for head coaches. That's not the
Speaker 1: headline they ran, but that's what it was. So we
Speaker 1: could resurface that list and and check in UM where
Speaker 1: those coaches are, and see what we think about coaches
Speaker 1: as we enter kind of the home structure of the
Speaker 1: regular season, and it also neatly ties in with and
Speaker 1: we've been talking about this. We've been building this up
Speaker 1: for a week. Erica Tampose her seg for the Around
Speaker 1: the NFL podcast. See, you took this what I wanted
Speaker 1: to do and turn it into a little something different,
Speaker 1: which is cool because we like to create together. Right,
Speaker 1: So you thought I was gonna come out here and
Speaker 1: be all like, you know, but I'm not. No, No,
Speaker 1: I would never say that, and I would never feel that.
Speaker 1: I am excited because Ricky brought up the idea. Well,
Speaker 1: if we're talking about hot butts, what about our own
Speaker 1: person or past and some stories when our butts got
Speaker 1: so hot we got kicked out of the chair. So
Speaker 1: we'll all share a little dismissal story from our youth. Downstairs,
Speaker 1: the new newsroom gugs like, oh, I'm so functional everywhere
Speaker 1: I go. I can't even think of it place. I
Speaker 1: didn't say that. It was kind of was that terrible.
Speaker 1: But I'm not gonna like make up a story that
Speaker 1: you've ever been fired, say not fired, I mean I've
Speaker 1: like stopped showing up or whatever. I have a story
Speaker 1: that I've only been fired once. Right, Ricky, I want
Speaker 1: you to share a story too. If you have one
Speaker 1: Strawberry season just ends right, that's you can't get fired
Speaker 1: from the strawberry job. That's what did they ask you
Speaker 1: when you contract? Did they say, let's there's there's certainly
Speaker 1: no contract. Everything is highly illegal what they were doing.
Speaker 1: Uh and uh. I was not back in the West.
Speaker 1: That was the summer where I realized I'm never living
Speaker 1: in Western Massachusetts ever again. And I haven't. I've stuck.
Speaker 1: I've stuck to that. I have multiple fires. She got
Speaker 1: out as soon as you know, not long after I did.
Speaker 1: She knew nothing wrong with Western mass great, great place,
Speaker 1: but you don't gotta go back. You forgot to mention.
Speaker 1: I mean it had to do with the hashtag. And
Speaker 1: then I was fired. Trend trying to bring up a
Speaker 1: trending task. Great. You always mentioned like we ride the
Speaker 1: site geist, you know, we're like the times. So I
Speaker 1: sent a bunch of different ideas, and I think this
Speaker 1: is a good one. So yes, there is a hashtag
Speaker 1: out there. The hashtag is again what and then I
Speaker 1: was fired. We're going to share that story and then
Speaker 1: talk about coaches who will be fired potentially, But before
Speaker 1: we do that. Yes, one of the games of the year.
Speaker 1: It's certainly in the conversation Monday night football at the
Speaker 1: Big Bell Bottom hit it Ricky for forty five waits
Speaker 1: for the South. Michael Dickon puts it down. That kick
Speaker 1: is away and that kick is gone. Good say ok, winn,
Speaker 1: it's good. It's up forty two. Good Seahawks and overtime
Speaker 1: went for the second time he had two weeks? Have
Speaker 1: they been to be undefeated? Now? What's defeated San Francisco
Speaker 1: forty Niners? What a game on Monday night football? Cook
Speaker 1: Seahawks win it overtime and Jackson Meyer's government. What a
Speaker 1: game I'll have watching Ross and Pete Carroll run out
Speaker 1: for the middle of the field together both yankee each
Speaker 1: other's sweatshirts. Oh, what a game. Steve Rabel Warren mot
Speaker 1: Moon with the call. Jason Meyers hits the field goal
Speaker 1: in the final play the final seconds of overtime, lifting
Speaker 1: the Seahawks to a dramatic twenty four win and over
Speaker 1: the forty Niners in Santa Clara, handing the Niners their
Speaker 1: first loss of the season, turning the NFC West into
Speaker 1: a wide open race between two teams that figured to
Speaker 1: make serious noise in January. What a game, Chris Westling.
Speaker 1: So many storylines that hit here overtime alone, you could,
Speaker 1: you know, write a book about. But what was your
Speaker 1: big takeaway? As the Seahawks celebrated in the game that
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson called the craziest game he's ever been a
Speaker 1: part of. Yeah, I felt like the broadcast booth was
Speaker 1: trying to make this the Jimmy G referendum game, and
Speaker 1: I didn't see that. I saw this. I will always
Speaker 1: remember this as the Jadeveon clowning imposing his will game.
Speaker 1: Brian Baldinger said it's the best game he's seen by
Speaker 1: a defensive lineman all year, and it ranks with any
Speaker 1: game in J. J. Watts or Von Miller's career. According
Speaker 1: to baldi, Um, I don't know about that. I don't
Speaker 1: know how that's measured. But he was constantly and Jimmy
Speaker 1: G's grill, it was constantly. It was maybe the healthiest
Speaker 1: the San Francisco forty Niners offensive line has been since September.
Speaker 1: And it was also the worst game of the year
Speaker 1: by far for that group up front, and it was
Speaker 1: mostly Jadevian Clowney with some help from Geron Reid. But
Speaker 1: but Clowney just taking over and he's sort of like
Speaker 1: the bizarro um kirk Cousins. He does most of his
Speaker 1: damage in nationally televised games against great team and they
Speaker 1: both and they and Kirk Cousins got paid as we know,
Speaker 1: so you can still do your damage when people aren't
Speaker 1: watching and get paid a ton of money as at quarterback,
Speaker 1: but when you do it in prime time, and if
Speaker 1: you're a defender Clowney and Greg you remark this on Twitter.
Speaker 1: Was one of the first things that came to my mind,
Speaker 1: is that game unfolded and he made was making play
Speaker 1: after play, living in the backfield, causing fumbles, scoring touchdowns.
Speaker 1: He's gonna be one of the highest paid football players
Speaker 1: in the league, uh in a few months, and a
Speaker 1: lot of that will tie into what he did. He
Speaker 1: It was almost like he finally and I know football
Speaker 1: heads out there, well, if you really watch him week
Speaker 1: to week, he's a game record, but no, no, no,
Speaker 1: it's also he hasn't ever quite lived up to this
Speaker 1: what week as a pass rusher, especially when he was
Speaker 1: hailed as an LT figure coming out of South Carolina.
Speaker 1: This was the game kind of people expected coming out
Speaker 1: of college, and it couldn't have come in a bigger spot. Well,
Speaker 1: his career has been defined by playing his very best
Speaker 1: in December and the playoffs. I was at, you know,
Speaker 1: the wild card game that he won, where I think
Speaker 1: he was almost as impressive as this one. He had
Speaker 1: a game late last season I think it was against
Speaker 1: the Eagles was very similar to this one. And if
Speaker 1: you look at his PF score every year, September and
Speaker 1: October is kind of okay, and then you get to
Speaker 1: November and it's pretty good, and then it goes it
Speaker 1: takes off and he's been money. It was one of
Speaker 1: the best defensive performances I've ever seen. How could it
Speaker 1: be better? They didn't touch him. I thought the two
Speaker 1: tackles returning probably hurt them because they weren't ready to play.
Speaker 1: They couldn't get a hand on Clowney, and the previous
Speaker 1: two tackles they had in there had been playing pretty well.
Speaker 1: So many of those moves that he made, especially against
Speaker 1: Daley but McGlinchey too, he just made a move before
Speaker 1: them and they literally didn't touch him. I mean, it
Speaker 1: was wild to see. And he talked about it after
Speaker 1: the game. Just the energy that that Seahawks team played
Speaker 1: with from the first snap defense is a little different
Speaker 1: where this has been a terrible Seahawks defense this year.
Speaker 1: But they weren't, you know, they were playing with their
Speaker 1: hair on fire from the very first snap. I thought
Speaker 1: it was the best game of the year by far.
Speaker 1: I don't think to me there was anything even even close,
Speaker 1: because it just felt like a playoff intensity. I want
Speaker 1: to go through it, but I mean, certainly with the
Speaker 1: setting and the team's involved and like they added Quandary
Speaker 1: Dicks whoever, whatever the reason is, they all just played
Speaker 1: much better than as a group than they ever have.
Speaker 1: It was the kind of game that made me wish,
Speaker 1: although this would be a scheduling, absolute mega nightmare, that
Speaker 1: every game could be in prime time because there is
Speaker 1: undoubtedly this extra energy that especially comes to a game
Speaker 1: like this pitting two rivals where they are, their placed
Speaker 1: in the division is chained engine before our eyes and
Speaker 1: everyone shows up. And there are these contrarians out there
Speaker 1: that said it wasn't the game of the year, it's
Speaker 1: not even a great game because it's sloppy, there were turnovers.
Speaker 1: Excuse me, well, by the way, those people that go
Speaker 1: watch football and want to just forget about their day
Speaker 1: to day lives. Turnovers are exciting turnovers where the ball
Speaker 1: is bouncing around and then suddenly Jadeveon Clowney rolls into
Speaker 1: the end zone and becomes this dominant force right there
Speaker 1: in the middle of the game. That's enjoyable. There were
Speaker 1: It wasn't just that. It wasn't just Seattle, because San
Speaker 1: Francisco's line gave Russell Wilson nightmares five sacks of their own.
Speaker 1: There were seven turnovers in this game, five lost fumbles,
Speaker 1: two picks. It was chaotic and beautifully chaotic. They you
Speaker 1: saw when the forty Niners were down twenty one time
Speaker 1: you thought the game was over. That was the first
Speaker 1: time they've been really like hit in the mouth all
Speaker 1: year and they get a little break, but they made
Speaker 1: the play on that, you know, touchdown fumble return and
Speaker 1: then they turned up Just the swings in it were
Speaker 1: were amazing, and I think the two quarterbacks had each
Speaker 1: had their worst game of the year. Like it was,
Speaker 1: you know, it was a defensive It reminded me so
Speaker 1: much of forty nine or Seahawks in two thousand, thirteen fourteen.
Speaker 1: I mean, at that NFC Championship game. If you go
Speaker 1: back to it, one of the great games of the
Speaker 1: last decade. I mean you could call that sloppy too,
Speaker 1: because it was a lot of hard hitting and turnovers
Speaker 1: and big plays by defense. I've noticed there were a
Speaker 1: lot of the big players are being made by new faces.
Speaker 1: You have Drake Greenlaw makes the interception and overtime only
Speaker 1: playing because Kwan Alexander just got put on I R
Speaker 1: and is out for the year. Jacob Hollister has become
Speaker 1: one of the most important pieces in Russell Wilson's aerial attack.
Speaker 1: Two weeks in a row now, um, But the Seattle
Speaker 1: Patriots where won that game last Josh biggest third down
Speaker 1: to the game. Josh Gorton beats Richard Sherman. Chase McLaughlin
Speaker 1: just signed off the street in the limelight there at
Speaker 1: the end. You had uh wow, uh Goodwin and Dante Pettis.
Speaker 1: You got those guys not a factor at all. They're
Speaker 1: two best receivers last year. You can't even count on
Speaker 1: them with Sanders and Kid. I think there is a
Speaker 1: temptation and I wrestled with this last night. I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I should do with the Niners because the power rankings
Speaker 1: were due. I kept them at one because I thought
Speaker 1: even though they lost, listen their first loss of the season. Also,
Speaker 1: when you factor in their opponent, that was always gonna
Speaker 1: be a dog fight. You know, I don't I don't
Speaker 1: think any any less of them now. I know with
Speaker 1: Jimmy G. And one thing that on the ESPN telecast,
Speaker 1: Booger was getting half getting after Jimmy G a little bit.
Speaker 1: He was careless with the football. He got away with
Speaker 1: some turnovers. But you also need to factor in something
Speaker 1: such as we talked about Clowney and how it was
Speaker 1: a turnstyle. He was constantly had pressure on his face.
Speaker 1: And then when you lose, when you have George Kittle
Speaker 1: up in the luxury suite um and you have Emmanuel
Speaker 1: Sanders in the locker room and then on the bench
Speaker 1: with a rib injury, Uh, it did shine a light.
Speaker 1: The only thing that I would say that I would
Speaker 1: be a little nervous about was the depth on their
Speaker 1: offensive playmaker side. Matt Breida left this game also an injury.
Speaker 1: Kendrick Borne had a terrible job. Dee deebo Samuel went
Speaker 1: over a hundred yards, but he had a drop that
Speaker 1: heard him they targeted Ross Dwelly a lot. These are
Speaker 1: guys that that maybe aren't ready for prime time, and
Speaker 1: you saw it, and I think that affected Garoppolo's performance
Speaker 1: because there was this urge and and like I said,
Speaker 1: Booger said, oh, Jimmy G is not ready for this,
Speaker 1: but he can't do it alone. I don't think he's
Speaker 1: like that super duper star quarterback. And that's that explained
Speaker 1: something to me. And I agree with West the idea
Speaker 1: of pushing a referendum on Jimmy G, who has started
Speaker 1: fewer games then at this point Baker Mayfield and Josh Allen.
Speaker 1: He has started the same amount of games as Sam Donald.
Speaker 1: And because he's been entrenched with the Niners with an
Speaker 1: injury lost season in the middle, you forget this guy's
Speaker 1: still learning the starter position. And he had everything thrown
Speaker 1: at him last night, and you saw the last two
Speaker 1: games his swings that I think it's fair though to
Speaker 1: also just point out was his worst game of the
Speaker 1: year when he was protected. His location was off on
Speaker 1: so many throws, even the interception that I think it
Speaker 1: was born dropping a lot of a lot out of
Speaker 1: the drops. You know they weren't, they were just he
Speaker 1: wasn't putting him on people. He had open receivers, and
Speaker 1: I did think, you know, they talk about people talk
Speaker 1: about Tom Brady's quiet feet, I mean his feet in
Speaker 1: the way he was going through his progression just felt
Speaker 1: very frenetic, and it's natural that that piled up over
Speaker 1: over the game. But I also would say the first
Speaker 1: quarter was kind of a disaster for him, and so
Speaker 1: that wasn't necessarily just clowning. But and yet we say
Speaker 1: he looked maybe happy feet and the way that first
Speaker 1: overtime drive started was not great, but he had them
Speaker 1: in field goal position, and if Chase mclachl, the poor
Speaker 1: guy makes that kick, we're talking about a totally different
Speaker 1: situation right now, and the Niners or nine and oh
Speaker 1: but the guy, poor guy yanked it into the tunnel.
Speaker 1: Kicking is a hard gig man, uh, and that changes
Speaker 1: everything around the Niners. So that was my thought in
Speaker 1: the sense that, yes, you want to win, especially at
Speaker 1: home against the division rival, but uh, don't bury the
Speaker 1: Niners off one loss because it could have was a
Speaker 1: coin flip. What people like booger Um and their cognizenti
Speaker 1: around the league, hes like what they want to see
Speaker 1: is they know that Jimmy Garoppolo has had probably the
Speaker 1: easiest quarterback job of anyone in the league this year,
Speaker 1: always playing with the lead, always having a great running attack,
Speaker 1: always having Kyle Shanahan's scheming people open, always having George
Speaker 1: Kittle as the best player on the field, And they
Speaker 1: want to see what happens when those things aren't there.
Speaker 1: But then you you tend to overlook things like his
Speaker 1: receiver's dropping ten passes, like Jadeveon Clowney being in his
Speaker 1: lap every time. So it's not a referendum, it's it's
Speaker 1: a one game thing. It's a it's a bad game,
Speaker 1: and and a lot of it wasn't on him, but
Speaker 1: a lot of it was. I think it was Russell
Speaker 1: Wilson's worst game too. And that's the thing, like, I
Speaker 1: don't think you need to pretend that I think Russell Wilson,
Speaker 1: if anything, helped his m v P gas To me,
Speaker 1: I I now I'm assigned to put it into the
Speaker 1: debrief every week. Uh, it's a sponsor. Well, yeah, I
Speaker 1: guess it's some it's a sponsor. And to me, Wilson's
Speaker 1: way ahead of the pack, and last night, yeah, I
Speaker 1: think so. I think Wilson has been so good every
Speaker 1: single week um and makes his teammates so much better.
Speaker 1: I look at his like, what's your average game and
Speaker 1: his average like he doesn't have any down weeks, but
Speaker 1: there's also seven weeks to go, which is in eternity.
Speaker 1: It's funny he threw he has the most famous interception,
Speaker 1: arguably in NFL history. Super Bowl forty nine. He threw
Speaker 1: just a crushing interception near in the red zone in
Speaker 1: overtime that first possession where it looked like they might
Speaker 1: be going in when three and out, the next drive
Speaker 1: to went three and out, and yet when when he
Speaker 1: got the ball back again, and Greg, I'm sure you
Speaker 1: want to talk about Kyle Shannon's clock management as well.
Speaker 1: When he got the ball that last time, I still
Speaker 1: thought to myself, you know, there's no one else I
Speaker 1: want in the league in this moment, because he has
Speaker 1: such a steady hand, and you just he's a guy that,
Speaker 1: even when he does occasionally make mistakes, because he's human,
Speaker 1: you just trust him to not be ever overwhelmed by
Speaker 1: a moment. And sure enough he just led him right
Speaker 1: down the field and got Jason Meyers. He trusts himself.
Speaker 1: I mean, I can't like. I know that Russell Wilson
Speaker 1: a magnet for criticism because he's a bit robotic and
Speaker 1: a bit athlete robot minded and that's easy to poke
Speaker 1: fun at. But at quarterback, the way that he operates
Speaker 1: week after week, they seem he's the opposite of Jimmy G.
Speaker 1: Where it seems like you're always watching the Seahawks have
Speaker 1: to mount to come back down thirteen or seventeen points
Speaker 1: with twelve minutes to go, and it's like I was
Speaker 1: watching that and it was a tough game in our
Speaker 1: house because Simone is a suddenly revived and all plugged
Speaker 1: in Niners fans in our seven year old Big Bell
Speaker 1: Bottom was rocket, our seven year old Colton, who this
Speaker 1: was the game where he he was rooting so hard
Speaker 1: for the Niners that when they lost, it was like, Mom,
Speaker 1: that was worse than me losing on my video game
Speaker 1: in the garage. It's like he he it hurt him,
Speaker 1: But I tried to tell him the Niners are not
Speaker 1: this is not the end, because it's what's happening around
Speaker 1: Jimmy G. And they're very consistent and what they've done
Speaker 1: so far is not flukey, and they have an awesome coach. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm not too worried about them. I still
Speaker 1: think they have the inside path, even though they lost
Speaker 1: this game at home. I noticed, Greg, you are usually
Speaker 1: on these things. You did not criticize Kyle Shanahan for
Speaker 1: not getting closer on the field goal attend Uh. I
Speaker 1: don't think he. I think I did tweet one little
Speaker 1: thing about it. But uh, I think he probably regrets
Speaker 1: his play calls on second in two setting up the
Speaker 1: missed field goal. Are you talking about regulation when they
Speaker 1: hit it or I think he probably regrets that more
Speaker 1: than the clock management, which will get to and I
Speaker 1: think he should regret second and two and third and
Speaker 1: one running the ball with the best running team in
Speaker 1: the league. I don't think they just won. You know,
Speaker 1: it wasn't the play calling. You gotta get two yards.
Speaker 1: Both teams had a chance to end the game. Seattle
Speaker 1: should have won the game in regulation, but they couldn't
Speaker 1: pick up a yard with Chris Carson that ended up
Speaker 1: giving the forty nine is a chance back the forty
Speaker 1: niners second in two with this running attack, you figure
Speaker 1: two runs. Whatever he chose, I'm sure he maybe would
Speaker 1: like to choose a different run, but you figure you
Speaker 1: can pick that up against Seattle and Puna Ford was
Speaker 1: was pretty great on night too, and they just stuffed them.
Speaker 1: You gotta give them the credit. And Shanahan did catch
Speaker 1: heat because there was a position after the Seahawks go
Speaker 1: three and out, the Niners get the ball back at
Speaker 1: three or four minutes to play, and they know one
Speaker 1: forty five Russell Wilson went three and out and they
Speaker 1: punted under two minutes left with no time out. And
Speaker 1: if you just if you play it, uh, well, I
Speaker 1: guess the way to play it is do something safe
Speaker 1: and keep the clock moving early in the down and
Speaker 1: distance and then put it in a situation where you
Speaker 1: either tie or you win. But I I got no
Speaker 1: time for that, and I hate That's not the way
Speaker 1: to look at it, though. What what is the what
Speaker 1: was the criticism? Here's here's what I would say. It's
Speaker 1: the same as that at the end of the half.
Speaker 1: It's the same as the end of regulation. You have
Speaker 1: one forty five in a time out. That is eternity.
Speaker 1: That's not gonna burn any of your time. Whether you
Speaker 1: want to call a run or a very safe pass.
Speaker 1: It's not that you're playing for overtime. You're just trying
Speaker 1: to not leave them any time to go win the game.
Speaker 1: Talking over game overtime, it's not like you you're playing
Speaker 1: for the tie. Rather, is what I meant to say.
Speaker 1: You just don't want to leave them anytime. There's a
Speaker 1: million screen passes or a run or whatever you want
Speaker 1: to do. It's not like they would have run out
Speaker 1: of time. They had all the time in the world.
Speaker 1: That's just obvious and good coach. And you do the
Speaker 1: same thing at the end of the first half in
Speaker 1: that situation, you would do the same thing at the
Speaker 1: end of regulation. And you don't. You don't let them
Speaker 1: have the ball because and we're talking about uh, there's
Speaker 1: also some accountability as a failure of execution. They have
Speaker 1: three chances to have a complete pass and they go
Speaker 1: over three, right, And that was like the great, the great.
Speaker 1: There were so many great plays in this game, but
Speaker 1: the you know the shaq Griffin, you know, Shaquille not Sachem.
Speaker 1: Shachim played quite a bit over Ziggy Onza first defensive
Speaker 1: snaps I think since his like Week one of last year,
Speaker 1: Shakim Griffin in that game. But Shaquille Griffin, that knock
Speaker 1: away in overtime. I mean, that was an under thrown
Speaker 1: ball by Jimmy G. You can't kill him for it,
Speaker 1: but I'm sure when he's watching that film he wishes
Speaker 1: I wish I got that out there for him. We
Speaker 1: might have won the game, you know, all right. And finally, Greg,
Speaker 1: I mean you've vindictively locked against them in this game,
Speaker 1: which you uh when it was. You know, I got
Speaker 1: a little trolley on Twitter and I came after you
Speaker 1: a little bit about your how you were reflecting and
Speaker 1: in pain for leaving Seahawks Corner. And I think this
Speaker 1: is this game, more than any game that we've seen
Speaker 1: in sometimes such a reminder why you never leave Seahawks horner,
Speaker 1: because it's just it is usually, like I said the
Speaker 1: other week, it usually works out for the best on
Speaker 1: Seahawks Corner right there. Seven and oh, I'm not counting
Speaker 1: that Saints you know game where they scored a touchdown
Speaker 1: in the last play. There's seven and oh and one
Speaker 1: score games. It is outrageous, But I enjoyed, like I
Speaker 1: love watching them, so I don't know, I can't have
Speaker 1: you back though, Like I don't need to be on
Speaker 1: I like a game like this, like a game like this.
Speaker 1: I enjoy it so much. And I enjoyed this forty
Speaker 1: Niners team a ton too. I enjoy both these things.
Speaker 1: You like every team break, so in terms of relati,
Speaker 1: they're they're fun to watch. I don't like the Jets.
Speaker 1: I don't really like the Browns right now, because you don't.
Speaker 1: I like good football. Like it's it's like, it's like
Speaker 1: like a game like this is so much fun. It
Speaker 1: makes me worried about why I put so much like
Speaker 1: emotional enjoyment and energy into like a sporting event. You
Speaker 1: know what I mean? You know what I mean. I
Speaker 1: mean I'm concerned about It's like it's like the same thing.
Speaker 1: I was like, why do you Why do I cry?
Speaker 1: It like the finale of Top Chef or any movie
Speaker 1: that happens, but like you never would cry in like
Speaker 1: normal life. You know, I couldn't. I couldn't go to
Speaker 1: sleep and it wasn't rooting or really cared. Who want
Speaker 1: too much? And I couldn't go to sleep for like
Speaker 1: for this game because I was thinking about job you
Speaker 1: love and never work a day in your life. So
Speaker 1: what they say something like that, something like what we too,
Speaker 1: we could do Mark is hollow. One of those hutches,
Speaker 1: one of those eaves maybe and take our ski equipment
Speaker 1: out of there and turning into the room that maybe
Speaker 1: Greg could come back into. But I don't know. I
Speaker 1: don't think it needs to be three ft by three ft.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be a little tighter. They're too good. They're
Speaker 1: too good right now. You know, I like them when
Speaker 1: they were just a spark, a spunky nine and seven
Speaker 1: uh team, they might go in. They might go in.
Speaker 1: They they got good pretty quickly last year. I mean, anyway,
Speaker 1: you were going to say something less about emotions. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I almost cried in that Cardinals Bucks games every weekend.
Speaker 1: That game might have pulled me out of the mid
Speaker 1: season duldrums, right like what hole and the rest of it?
Speaker 1: Enjoyment for this, I'm all in on Kyler Murray now,
Speaker 1: and I might be all in on the Tampa Bay
Speaker 1: Buccaneers as a as a fun team to watch. This
Speaker 1: is great. We're seeing Devin White with flashes just running
Speaker 1: through people like they don't like they're not even there.
Speaker 1: Not that it's been a bad season, right, but we
Speaker 1: needed a game like this, just a perfect time for
Speaker 1: a great game, all right, um, all right, let's do it.
Speaker 1: Let's do it. Forget the news. I don't want to
Speaker 1: talk about the news. We're not doing the news because
Speaker 1: we gotta get right to it, Ricky, as promised. Um,
Speaker 1: the segment, the hashtag that all the kids, all the millennials,
Speaker 1: all the gen z s out there are talking about,
Speaker 1: was when I was fired and then I was fired, Okay, Boomer,
Speaker 1: and then I was fired and then I was fired
Speaker 1: hashtag and then I was fired Ricky, why don't you
Speaker 1: guys go? And I'm curious your seg your rules first? Well,
Speaker 1: I mean, originally I thought we were going to only
Speaker 1: antiquate this to football news because sort of like Greg,
Speaker 1: I've never really had I've never been fired. I do
Speaker 1: such a good job and all of my jobs, but
Speaker 1: there was one time where I wasn't asked back. And
Speaker 1: I was a production assistant on a reality TV show
Speaker 1: in Rhode Island. They were filming for the day. Yeah,
Speaker 1: while I was trying to get my start, I was
Speaker 1: in college. I was like skipping school to work for
Speaker 1: minimum wage like once in a while, to get on
Speaker 1: a TV show to to try to you know, work
Speaker 1: my way up into directing and whatever. And this was
Speaker 1: for the TV show Dance Moms and the woman is
Speaker 1: now in jail. So she got fired by society in
Speaker 1: a way, right, But so did I because I, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, to be a p a, you gotta just
Speaker 1: put the blinders on and get through the couple of
Speaker 1: years of getting beaten. You know, you're the first one there,
Speaker 1: you're the last one off. You can't you can't say
Speaker 1: anything to anyone. If you get someone's coffee wrong. It's
Speaker 1: the end of the world. I mean that that. So
Speaker 1: one of my jobs was to clean out Abby Wie
Speaker 1: Miller's trailer in between two of her like scenes and
Speaker 1: it's reality TVs. It's like her driving around and the
Speaker 1: amount of like chocolate rapper, candy bar and everything all
Speaker 1: over the place was so like I was cleaning this
Speaker 1: up and I literally was like, this is it was
Speaker 1: out of a movie, Like that should have been the
Speaker 1: reality TV show of what was in this trailer. So
Speaker 1: I was cleaning this up. And she is known on
Speaker 1: TV for screaming at people. So I'm like, Okay, it's
Speaker 1: fake or whatever. No, she's like that in real life,
Speaker 1: Like she is a word that I wouldn't even say
Speaker 1: it is. So she is such a miserable person, but
Speaker 1: another p a this other little girl who and we
Speaker 1: were like eighteen. So she goes out and she comes
Speaker 1: back and she was like, I wanted Ocean Spray um,
Speaker 1: not Cranmery, just like pineapple, like specific brand. And the
Speaker 1: girl comes back, she's like sweating and she's like ms ms,
Speaker 1: like I went to the store and I got all
Speaker 1: these different kinds of pineapple juice, but unfortunately, like there
Speaker 1: wasn't the Ocean Spray brand. And this chick takes the
Speaker 1: all the pineapple juice and dumps it out in front
Speaker 1: of her and was like, don't bother coming back a
Speaker 1: set then and through all the empty bottles that I
Speaker 1: had just picked up, of all of all of your trash,
Speaker 1: and I was like, hey, like, it wasn't my place
Speaker 1: to say this, but I was like, hey like, I
Speaker 1: don't think we should be like throwing bottles at eighteen
Speaker 1: year old like empty bottles. And she was like, and
Speaker 1: you just lost your ticket to honey, And then I
Speaker 1: wasn't asked back the next the next day. That's a firing,
Speaker 1: but you did the right thing. Wow. Miler, who pleaded
Speaker 1: guilty to felony bankruptcy fraud and was sentenced and made
Speaker 1: two thousand seventeen to one year and one day in
Speaker 1: federal prison. She has since been released. The good thing is,
Speaker 1: I mean she sounds very drunk with power. Would not
Speaker 1: be the case of anyone attached to this show in
Speaker 1: terms of you know your she does have an event
Speaker 1: coming up in Guadalajara the company stay there, honey, they're team.
Speaker 1: I don't Yeah, she's really she. I really cried hard
Speaker 1: that day, Well not for me, for that poor girl.
Speaker 1: Like how could someone's messed up? People are bad sometimes?
Speaker 1: All right, so we're gonna we'll space well, you know,
Speaker 1: Pepper in this personal stories. But yes, as I said
Speaker 1: back on August sixteenth, which is almost three months ago,
Speaker 1: now time flies. Hey, Um, three months ago wrote the
Speaker 1: NFL Hot Coach head coach job security rankings, Who's safe
Speaker 1: question mark on hotsy question mark? No, no, no, they
Speaker 1: didn't give me the headline. I wanted the hot butt rankings.
Speaker 1: So let's just cycle through, uh this list, and we'll
Speaker 1: see what's changed and what hasn't changed since August. All right,
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna go quickly through some of these Belichick McVeigh,
Speaker 1: Sean Payton, John Gruden, and Doug Peterson in the top five.
Speaker 1: All safe right now? All good, except I think Gruden
Speaker 1: was there because of huge contract attached to him, and
Speaker 1: there was a lot of people. I thought this season
Speaker 1: could be an ultra disaster and he'd still be safe
Speaker 1: because it was the Raiders. But I think he's safe
Speaker 1: now because he's doing a great job this year. He's
Speaker 1: doubly safe. Uh Andy Reid, Frank Reich, Pete Carroll at
Speaker 1: eight and then Matt Naggy. He's the final one in
Speaker 1: tier two. Uh that one is Matt. He's probably okay, right,
Speaker 1: this has been a bad year so far. But is
Speaker 1: there any scenario where his butt gets hot? I don't
Speaker 1: think so, because why are they gonna flesh out the
Speaker 1: GM and Naggie and start all over again. They've tended
Speaker 1: to not make quick choices. Someone from behind the scenes
Speaker 1: just came in and I said, yo, oh, hey, keep going.
Speaker 1: It's not really possible for him to have a worse
Speaker 1: year than he's had. Yeah, Like there's they have their
Speaker 1: worst running attack I think since nineteen eighty. They're tight.
Speaker 1: Ends are non existent. The quarterback took many steps back
Speaker 1: in his development, and they have the same personnel as
Speaker 1: last year. Just about you would like to see him
Speaker 1: with a different quarterback. You would think that Trabisky will
Speaker 1: be the scapegoat and they will find someone else to
Speaker 1: be that quarterback. And if we have more problems next year,
Speaker 1: Naggy would be. I feel like it's a fair scapegoat.
Speaker 1: And he one Coach of the Year last year. Sometimes
Speaker 1: a scapegoating. I mean he's earned, it's not it's not totally.
Speaker 1: Dick Duron once one Coach of the Year as a
Speaker 1: as a coach of the Chicago Bears as well, and
Speaker 1: then went four and twelve the next year. Um, Mark,
Speaker 1: tell us when you were fired? Um, well, there's been
Speaker 1: multiple times, Like I said, but I'm just gonna dug
Speaker 1: into the ground one of the many. I'll pick one
Speaker 1: of the many, and he's mostly all happened. How many
Speaker 1: times you've been fired. There was a period that I
Speaker 1: got canned from a job at age sixteen. But I
Speaker 1: will put it this way. I did it brought a
Speaker 1: hundred temp jobs. And sometimes you land and they just
Speaker 1: think that you're the perfect fit and they other times
Speaker 1: you're not. And there were many times I was not. Um,
Speaker 1: this is one of the those jobs, a tempt job
Speaker 1: that was if you work, will keep you around for
Speaker 1: a while. And I really wowed them with my excel
Speaker 1: skills in a company called cash Now, which is a
Speaker 1: lot of places called cash now. At this point, excel
Speaker 1: skills in what year? This? This about two? This is
Speaker 1: two thousand one? Oh yeah, that were handy in two
Speaker 1: absolutely Wait were you like a bail bondsman or so?
Speaker 1: It was. Cash now places typically are like a a
Speaker 1: storefront where people down on the luck for the most part,
Speaker 1: might have gotten some sort of work or even an
Speaker 1: unemployment check, and you come in and give them cash
Speaker 1: for sixty of the check and keep the rest. Very nefarious,
Speaker 1: and I did not. It was a family run business.
Speaker 1: I was not part of the family. They brought me
Speaker 1: in to do this excel business. I will make the
Speaker 1: story quick to say that fate intervened that. You know,
Speaker 1: I had just moved to Denver and I was living
Speaker 1: with this couple, a friend, very good friends named Kiwie
Speaker 1: and Leslie. They're a married couple, and so I'm like
Speaker 1: in this spare bedroom, just trying to pay rent. So
Speaker 1: I took this cash Now job weeks. Excuse me, Kiwi.
Speaker 1: His name is John, but he's from New Zealand. So yep,
Speaker 1: and uh, what happened was nine eleven happened. I didn't
Speaker 1: think Erica's interjection could get worse than the last one,
Speaker 1: but nine eleven unfurls out of nowhere on a morning
Speaker 1: in September, right out of nowhere, according to most. And uh,
Speaker 1: I'm sitting there in this hotel this is where this
Speaker 1: that we we were our company was based out of
Speaker 1: a hotel room, which is should tell you something right there,
Speaker 1: but we I was there doing a sixcel spreadsheet watching
Speaker 1: New York burned to the ground, and all my friends
Speaker 1: are in New York. I had just moved from New
Speaker 1: York City, and so I'm trying to get on the
Speaker 1: as you remember that, trying to call anyone from the
Speaker 1: East coast, you couldn't get through, basically, And I'll never
Speaker 1: forget this because I wrote it down. This uh gem
Speaker 1: of an individual, This boss who ran this company was
Speaker 1: already tired with nine eleven, fourteen minutes into it, because
Speaker 1: he wanted us focused on our est not cash, not
Speaker 1: cash in two thousand and two right now. And he
Speaker 1: kept saying, let's stay focused people, eyes on keyboard, eyes
Speaker 1: on keyboard, And I'm trying to figure out what's happening. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and so I like when and took I have to
Speaker 1: go take a This was in Denver, so in his
Speaker 1: world it was not something it was nine eleven was
Speaker 1: a regional issue and not a hotel, right, a back
Speaker 1: watertel room. Does he have like a whipping stick or
Speaker 1: something for people who don't keep their eyes? He was
Speaker 1: a very he was a very grading man, and so
Speaker 1: he was annoyed with my my reaction to nine eleven
Speaker 1: in general. And the next day he claimed it was
Speaker 1: budget cuts, but I mean, please, he basically fired me.
Speaker 1: And a mile away from the place I'm home, I'm
Speaker 1: driving home in a in my least car got into
Speaker 1: a major car accident and suddenly had no job and
Speaker 1: no car. Um all right, the next I like that story.
Speaker 1: I hate the story, and I hope that man got
Speaker 1: I hope he's and where's the where's that wretched doler?
Speaker 1: Where's she? Now? He's making money off for seven hundred
Speaker 1: thousand Twitter followers seven seven nine eleven. Guy there too,
Speaker 1: right now, that's a man with perspective. The third tier
Speaker 1: back on August, this was the feeling good, feeling secure,
Speaker 1: life is good tier begins at number ten with Mike Tomlin,
Speaker 1: Bruce Arians, Sean McDermott, Bill O'Brien, Adam Gaze, and Mike Vrabel,
Speaker 1: who is not feeling good feeling only one of those.
Speaker 1: I think the rest of them are all fine. I
Speaker 1: think it's pretty clear. I mean it's crazy that the
Speaker 1: I've loved these reports in New York the last couple
Speaker 1: of weeks with Schumer, uh Pat Shermer rather and uh
Speaker 1: Adam Gaze, where it's like, hey, we're gonna be patient,
Speaker 1: and then you read the article it's like, what, we're
Speaker 1: us not firing him this week? It's it's his first
Speaker 1: year on the job. That's not being patient. Like the
Speaker 1: fact that you need ownership sources to say we're not
Speaker 1: gonna fire the first year guy in the middle of
Speaker 1: the season is ominous. You read all the time about
Speaker 1: what owners are looking for in head coaches these days,
Speaker 1: and Adam Gaze is the polar opposite of just about
Speaker 1: everything they're looking for in a head coach, like able
Speaker 1: to deal with the media, always has a nice bearing,
Speaker 1: and leadership about him is polished contact. Yeah, this is
Speaker 1: There's nothing that Adam Gaze does that is like, what
Speaker 1: the new breed of head coach is supposed to be
Speaker 1: nailed it h and in the offense is you know,
Speaker 1: until last week, tracking to be one of the worst
Speaker 1: in the history of the averaging averaging twelve points per
Speaker 1: game before last week. Mike Tomlin has solidified his standing
Speaker 1: right Absolutely, he would bump up to the higher tier
Speaker 1: for sure. I don't think Bruce arians McDermot in my mind,
Speaker 1: just because I feel like he is there and he's
Speaker 1: staying in for a for a while. I left that
Speaker 1: one at any Lynn. I was gonna say what at
Speaker 1: the Chargers and they things have been a little bit better,
Speaker 1: but that was an ugly loss last Thursday night. I mean,
Speaker 1: what if they went off a cliff? Is Anthony Lynn
Speaker 1: that's safe on a team that's going through a ton
Speaker 1: of transition to begin with, or maybe that helps him,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I can't blame him for their injuries.
Speaker 1: He also is coming off like um naggy the fact
Speaker 1: that he was a Coach of the Year candidate and
Speaker 1: got some votes last year. I don't know if they're
Speaker 1: looking to LESCo. I don't think you know who hired
Speaker 1: him would would have any interest in fire him. So
Speaker 1: I don't know if the SPANUS is want to clean
Speaker 1: house totally. Leo has been great too, right, He's he's
Speaker 1: done a good job. No, I was gonna say, if
Speaker 1: you go from thirteen to sixteen on this list, which
Speaker 1: is Lynn O'Brien, Gaze Rabel, I don't think any of
Speaker 1: those guys are necessarily safe if the wheels fall off
Speaker 1: totally in these last seven weeks, do you guys think
Speaker 1: I think all of them could be in danger in
Speaker 1: that spot. Remember eight guys, eight guys on average the
Speaker 1: last few years ago. Bill O'Brien just seems like he's
Speaker 1: been through fifty wards at this point, has more power
Speaker 1: than ever before. Right. I think he was took a
Speaker 1: lot of risks with what he did before the season.
Speaker 1: He's gotta keep it going. He's got to make the playoffs.
Speaker 1: But he's on track to do all that. I mean,
Speaker 1: he might be watching jedev and Clowney last night and
Speaker 1: I wish that he didn't have to page at Evan
Speaker 1: clown in seven million dollars to go away this year.
Speaker 1: Nice job by Clowney. Yeah, I could say that west
Speaker 1: Um the post office. You left voluntarily from there, right,
Speaker 1: left voluntarily? I've never been fired. But I did have
Speaker 1: a one day job giving him any grief. He didn't
Speaker 1: do it, wasn't fired. I mean, I don't kept it
Speaker 1: to himself. You know he didn't. He was about it.
Speaker 1: You before I said anything, you like, Oh, this is
Speaker 1: so hard. I've been so valued everywhere I've come. Before
Speaker 1: I said anything, you literally said, oh, I bet Greg
Speaker 1: you you'll say that you've never been fired. I apologize.
Speaker 1: I was. I was just between. It was my start
Speaker 1: of my first year of college, my freshman year. So
Speaker 1: I was eighteen years old, and my dad, I think,
Speaker 1: pulled a string or two to get me a job
Speaker 1: with a big ice company in Cincinnati as a driver
Speaker 1: driving a monster truck around these back roads of Kentucky
Speaker 1: at Biana, Ohio. This is the days before GPS. I
Speaker 1: had no idea where I was going, and um to
Speaker 1: my naive eighteen year old eyes, the directions I was given.
Speaker 1: Once I got out on the road, I could not
Speaker 1: make heads or tails. There's no ways, you know, there's
Speaker 1: no Google Maps. And I'm going to like Owensboro County,
Speaker 1: which I've never heard of before, to drop off ice
Speaker 1: at like some country store, and there's no like vehicle training,
Speaker 1: so I'm trying to manage just like long truck backing
Speaker 1: it into like these pony kegs and stuff. Um. I
Speaker 1: end up coming back around midnight from my from my delivery,
Speaker 1: which was supposed to be It was like a Saturday afternoon.
Speaker 1: I'm want to watch college football and everybody, all my
Speaker 1: friends are out partying, and you know, all the other
Speaker 1: delivery drivers are back by five in the afternoon. Here
Speaker 1: it is midnight. I come back ended up not even
Speaker 1: making a couple of my last deliveries because it was
Speaker 1: so late and I couldn't find the place put the
Speaker 1: ice back in like the the receptacle tank ended up
Speaker 1: spilling it all over the place, and I was just like,
Speaker 1: I am never coming back to this wretched job again.
Speaker 1: So I just no called, no showed, and my I
Speaker 1: don't think my dad was too thrilled since he had
Speaker 1: pulled the string. Classic let that down in a big spot.
Speaker 1: That was a grow up situation, just too too much,
Speaker 1: too soon for me. The next category is newbies. I
Speaker 1: kept these and a these guys in a separate category
Speaker 1: first time head coaches because typically they get more than
Speaker 1: one year. So let's see, do we think any of
Speaker 1: these guys are in trouble. I had Kingsbury at seventeen.
Speaker 1: Zach Taylor, who three months since this has been written,
Speaker 1: still doesn't have a win eighteen, Brian Floors nineteen, Freddie
Speaker 1: Kitchens twenty, Vic Fangio one, Matt Lafleur twenty two. How
Speaker 1: did Gates get out of this group because he's not
Speaker 1: the first time first time coach? Just like, how did
Speaker 1: he get boosted up? Which is which was smart because
Speaker 1: he could be fired. These guys have more runaway Kingsbury
Speaker 1: in the Flora on top of the world right now.
Speaker 1: I know Kingsbury's record isn't great, but he's done what
Speaker 1: you wanted him to do. Zach Taylor. I mean, he's
Speaker 1: with that mom and pop franchise that doesn't pay two
Speaker 1: coaches at the same time. They're gonna want to see
Speaker 1: him with the number one overall draft pick or the
Speaker 1: number two overall traffic. I mean they've got a nice yeah,
Speaker 1: they've got a nice little lead there for that pick.
Speaker 1: The Kitchens. There you go, Mark No, I mean, what's
Speaker 1: Zach Taylor also has shown me literally nothing, but I
Speaker 1: get it. It's a it's a tough situation. Freddie Kitchens
Speaker 1: the word that you catch a totally hold on all
Speaker 1: the time. All the time we talk about do something
Speaker 1: that difference. It's you for one of these thirty two jobs.
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm not saying he doesn't possess those skills.
Speaker 1: I haven't seen it. If I could make something up,
Speaker 1: but I'm not gonna now. I think that's totally fair.
Speaker 1: I just think from West's point, I don't think he
Speaker 1: would be in any trouble. I don't think he'd be
Speaker 1: in trouble even if you went out in sixth team.
Speaker 1: But I guess you never know. Kitchens would concern me
Speaker 1: because you know, you hear a little rumblings behind the scenes,
Speaker 1: and the word or the type of word that seems
Speaker 1: to come up over and over, and it's not a
Speaker 1: shocking word if you're watching their games, is overwhelmed and
Speaker 1: not totally ready to certainly make in game decisions. And
Speaker 1: the play calling, which in theory was the mind meld
Speaker 1: with Baker Mayfield and all this other stuff. The quarterbacks progressed,
Speaker 1: the play calling is a weekly talking point, and it
Speaker 1: couldn't be more of a talking point than it was
Speaker 1: coming out of Sunday. And now what the coach killer
Speaker 1: in Cleveland typically is not handling business against your own division,
Speaker 1: which has been every Brown's coach. And Thursday Night, a
Speaker 1: lot of eyeballs on the team against the Steelers will
Speaker 1: get into that game. But things could go very south,
Speaker 1: or things could get a lot I think from here
Speaker 1: to the is what happens to Freddy Kitchens. The games
Speaker 1: will matter a ton well. The hallmarks of poor coaching
Speaker 1: traditionally are sloppy play, too many penalties, and undisciplined. I mean,
Speaker 1: you've got the Jarvis Landry penalty after the touchdown. You
Speaker 1: don't see Belichick's teams doing this. You don't see other
Speaker 1: guys that he's the poster child right now for poor coaching.
Speaker 1: I think Vic Fonjo could only be in danger if
Speaker 1: the Broncos decided they want to reboot the entire machine
Speaker 1: and they get Elway out of that position and Elway's
Speaker 1: new guy or places him once his guy, that would
Speaker 1: be the only thing. But I mean, that would be
Speaker 1: quite an overthrow of power there not impossible, though that
Speaker 1: doesn't seem like they want to. The ownership situation is
Speaker 1: very murky, and you know there's confusion and you know
Speaker 1: finagling going on. Behind the scenes when it comes to
Speaker 1: the ownership, So they don't. They seem like they want
Speaker 1: John Elway running the ship no matter what. Um. The
Speaker 1: first job I ever had is also the only job
Speaker 1: that I've been fired him. I was working at shop Wright,
Speaker 1: which was a major grocery store chain still is uh
Speaker 1: in the Northeast, and um when it was not very
Speaker 1: good at the job for the reasons that listeners might
Speaker 1: be able to guess, my till was short several times.
Speaker 1: I counter for a while, really basic, you know, because
Speaker 1: it used to be much more difficult. People paid with
Speaker 1: cash a lot more in the mid nineties, checks in cash,
Speaker 1: and you had to kind of balance your til at
Speaker 1: the end of the night. Now, if I'm sure, if
Speaker 1: you work an eight hour shift at a grocery store,
Speaker 1: of the transactions are going to be made with debit
Speaker 1: or credit? Uh, if not more back then what like
Speaker 1: of checks? A lot of money being exchanged. And so
Speaker 1: my till was short a couple of times, but not
Speaker 1: to the point where I was getting fired. I was
Speaker 1: just put on this probation like, Hey, it's happened twice,
Speaker 1: it can't happen again. Did they suspect you of potentially
Speaker 1: take they always do because it's young punk kids. Me.
Speaker 1: I know, not at all. I that was not who
Speaker 1: I was. But then near the end of the summer,
Speaker 1: um my buddy Bob and I his mother Linda ran
Speaker 1: her own um um small business where she sold crafts,
Speaker 1: little knick knacks and things of that nature, jewelry and UH.
Speaker 1: At the end of the summer at the wild Wildwood,
Speaker 1: New Jersey um boardwalk there was a big craft expo.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is where all the heavy hitters win
Speaker 1: UH to end the summer for Labor Day weekend. And
Speaker 1: for Bob and I it was the first time we
Speaker 1: ever got a chance to I would tag along with Bob,
Speaker 1: Linda and Bob's sister Lori, who hated me, and I
Speaker 1: returned the favor as well. We we would we would
Speaker 1: like each other, but back then we were all young, um.
Speaker 1: But Bob and I it was a golden opportunity to
Speaker 1: you know, walk the boardwalk and stay at a hotel
Speaker 1: and try to talk to girls. And that was also
Speaker 1: like around the time. One time Bob and I met
Speaker 1: two girls and then we agreed to meet the next night.
Speaker 1: And when we got to the meeting point to other
Speaker 1: like dudes, like big dudes, and one had a big
Speaker 1: snake around his neck and a wife beater a shirt on,
Speaker 1: and uh, we just walked away because we lost that
Speaker 1: guy's get him a date. We were defeated on the
Speaker 1: wildwood boardwalking. You had a snake, and you were taller
Speaker 1: and older than us. We knew were already dead. That's
Speaker 1: beside the point. Anyway, this weekend was coming up, and
Speaker 1: I didn't really know how asking off really worked because
Speaker 1: I was so new to working, so I kind of
Speaker 1: forgot to ask until a week before. And then when
Speaker 1: I did ask, I didn't hear back, and then I
Speaker 1: just didn't go to work. And then when I came
Speaker 1: to work the following Tuesday after Labor Day weekend, I
Speaker 1: couldn't punch in and they're like, oh, yeah, you were
Speaker 1: no call, no show, so we fired you. And I
Speaker 1: was like, oh that's how things, And you know, I
Speaker 1: love it. I do it again because it was fun
Speaker 1: times down on the Jersey boardwalk. Now you're the man
Speaker 1: with the snake around your neck and young people are
Speaker 1: scared of you exactly. All right, here's uh the next group.
Speaker 1: Uh John Harbaugh, this is the seat perhaps warmer than
Speaker 1: preferred John Harbaugh, who might shoot all the way back up.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, to um the top the top tier anyway.
Speaker 1: Ron Rivera's in the top tier. Yeah, Ron Rivera twenty four,
Speaker 1: Dan Quinn at, Mike Zimmer at six, Jason Garrett at seven,
Speaker 1: and at number twenty eight Kyle Shanahan of the eight
Speaker 1: and one forty niners. So this is the second to
Speaker 1: last tier, uh, the one you don't really want to
Speaker 1: be in. Shanahan obviously is moving all the way up
Speaker 1: to the first tier. Um. But I would think that
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett, certainly Dan Quinn and perhaps Ron Rivera all
Speaker 1: in danger here. Well, I think dan Quinn is is
Speaker 1: gonna lose his job. I think Rivera is the biggest mystery,
Speaker 1: Like if they make the playoffs, it feels unfair to
Speaker 1: fire him. And yet I don't know if that their
Speaker 1: new owner is gonna just want to do a house
Speaker 1: cleaning with with Rivera. It's up in the air. Everyone
Speaker 1: keeps saying the new owner, the new owner, but I've
Speaker 1: never seen any indication that he does not like Ron Rivera. Well,
Speaker 1: he didn't sign him to a contract, you know, when
Speaker 1: Rivera wanted one, So that's that to me. I mean,
Speaker 1: it doesn't mean it doesn't mean it's over. I just
Speaker 1: think they he went into this year kind of knowing
Speaker 1: what the score was. There's and there's some fun stuff
Speaker 1: to unpack with Jason Garrett based off his press conference
Speaker 1: on Monday, but maybe I'll save that for the Thursday
Speaker 1: Cowboys preview. Are they playing this week? They are? They've
Speaker 1: already hit their bike, right, so we'll talk about Jason
Speaker 1: garrettmore on Thursday. Um uh. And then of course, yeah,
Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan in the piece I wrote that, you know,
Speaker 1: they believe in him, they just have to kind of
Speaker 1: do it already, and they finally have kind of put
Speaker 1: it together after going ten and twenty two, uh, in
Speaker 1: those first two years. All right, now, the Danger Group
Speaker 1: number twenty nine, Oh, before we do that, actually, let
Speaker 1: me go through this, and then Greg's started Danger Group,
Speaker 1: Matt Patricia Lyons, Doug Maron, Jaguars, Hat Sharmer Giants, the
Speaker 1: number thirty two. He gone, who's the guy that feels
Speaker 1: the best right now? Because once you get off the
Speaker 1: hot seat and you're just getting paid money to do
Speaker 1: nothing and all that pressure and stresses off your shoulders,
Speaker 1: I'm sure he feels better than any of the coaches
Speaker 1: in the league right now. It's like when Rob Bryan
Speaker 1: got a phone call on the on a tropical beach
Speaker 1: that he had been let go by the Cowboys. Like
Speaker 1: right away, you run to the bar and just have
Speaker 1: a great night and say I'm still so I get
Speaker 1: to go on like unemployment on steroids for the next
Speaker 1: two years. All right, spell you later, Um Patricia, Maron Schermer,
Speaker 1: Are they all done? I don't think Maron's done. I
Speaker 1: think for make they need to finish strong. Was That's
Speaker 1: what I think. That's fair if they if they go
Speaker 1: in the tank, maybe, but it seems like they're their
Speaker 1: owner liked the way he handled the Jalen Ramsey situation,
Speaker 1: and maybe Tom Coughlin didn't handle it quite as and
Speaker 1: losing Nick Foles and still being a viable team through
Speaker 1: most of them. Yeah, I think it's the remaining what
Speaker 1: is it seven games for them. It's gonna tell his story.
Speaker 1: Where we are with Matt Patricia, I think it seemed
Speaker 1: like a month ago people were impressed with him, and
Speaker 1: now everybody's saying his he was hired to fix the
Speaker 1: defense and the defense is terrible. It seems very up
Speaker 1: and down. You're right in terms of how he's viewed.
Speaker 1: But they did. I mean, remember they fired Jim Caldwell
Speaker 1: after back to back nine and seven seasons. They go
Speaker 1: six and ten last year and nobody seemed particularly impressed.
Speaker 1: And then when this season kicked off, like West is saying,
Speaker 1: people are saying, Wow, this team is making strides. The
Speaker 1: offense has certainly gotten better, and maybe they're buying into
Speaker 1: the culture, the Patricia slash Belichick culture. But they have
Speaker 1: one of the worst defenses in football and seemed to
Speaker 1: be heading towards six nine and one. After six and ten, Well,
Speaker 1: it's gonna come down with all these like who's doing
Speaker 1: the firing and how much do they really want to
Speaker 1: change their entire organization? Like in Jacksonville, does he want
Speaker 1: to fire Tom Coughlin and called well Anne Moron, which
Speaker 1: feels like the way that he would probably do it
Speaker 1: if it happened. That's a lot in Detroit does the
Speaker 1: Ford family. I don't know who's making the decisions, is Martha.
Speaker 1: I mean she want to fire Bob Quinn who brought
Speaker 1: in Matt Patricia because Bob Quinn's not gonna be firing
Speaker 1: Matt Patricia and start over after just two years. I
Speaker 1: tend to think probably not unless things go really crazy bad,
Speaker 1: but that I want to see year three of Matt Patricia.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think invariably a lot of these guys
Speaker 1: get dumped before they even get to execute whatever plan
Speaker 1: they put into place and convinced an owner to get
Speaker 1: the job. And to begin with, the Lions have been
Speaker 1: more interesting this season than they have been in in
Speaker 1: my twenties, thirties or forties. That's fair if that year
Speaker 1: that they should have beaten the Cowboys in the playoffs,
Speaker 1: they were, I know, and their record was better, but
Speaker 1: for some reason they still registered to me as a
Speaker 1: raging dullard fest that for something, something about them this
Speaker 1: time around got me interested. I raged is not new,
Speaker 1: but no, I don't know how many more descriptions can
Speaker 1: you come up with for this team. Alright, Greg, close
Speaker 1: us out with a little little Rosenthal hot butt action.
Speaker 1: Let's see. I mean, i I've quit some jobs. I
Speaker 1: quit one on the you know, the first day, by phone,
Speaker 1: which they quickly told me like, this is a small industry,
Speaker 1: this is not a smart move. That was a segment
Speaker 1: producer job for uh an Action Sports show. And then
Speaker 1: I yeah, and I left the city six days later.
Speaker 1: But I'm gonna think of another one. Yeah, I left
Speaker 1: l A and yeah it took me fifteen years, ten
Speaker 1: years to come back before that guy was gone. In
Speaker 1: In uh, the summer one year, I was a waiter
Speaker 1: um and you know, it's the end of the summer
Speaker 1: and people are starting to leave and party or whatever.
Speaker 1: And I guess I had maybe asked for some days
Speaker 1: off and they were just like, yeah, you you know,
Speaker 1: we we need some extra shifts, Like you can't just
Speaker 1: take those days off at at the end of the summer.
Speaker 1: It was my last few days, you know, of the summer,
Speaker 1: and I just wanted to party, and I was just
Speaker 1: like no, which, okay, that would have been That would
Speaker 1: have been fine. I would have maybe not left in
Speaker 1: the best terms. But I stupidly went with my friends
Speaker 1: to the deck at the restaurant to drink um on
Speaker 1: one of those days. In the manager there, uh chef
Speaker 1: A was not was not happy, and uh I started
Speaker 1: talking to me about it, and we just left and
Speaker 1: I'll never forget walking down like the plank of the
Speaker 1: restaurant and him yelling after me, just like that's really
Speaker 1: ef and cool. Greg, that's really off and cool, just
Speaker 1: like screaming at me. And it didn't help that I
Speaker 1: was also renting an apartment in the back of Chef's house.
Speaker 1: You played, uh you know, I had a roommate at
Speaker 1: the time, who I you know? I now do uh
Speaker 1: the podcast with Anthony. And immediately after leaving for the summer,
Speaker 1: I kept getting these calls from Chef a these long
Speaker 1: messages and he wanted his very expensive bottle of vodka
Speaker 1: back from his room. And I was like, we didn't
Speaker 1: take any vodka, Like, we didn't touch it. Like I
Speaker 1: made Anthony just swear like we were staying in an
Speaker 1: attic rented base, like he kept hitting alcohol in the
Speaker 1: I don't know. There was like, yeah, there was an
Speaker 1: us to the renter. Let's stay. There was one huge thing.
Speaker 1: And I was just like he was like that was
Speaker 1: a really expensive bottle, Greg and all this stuff. And
Speaker 1: I made Anthony swear to me he didn't take us.
Speaker 1: I was just like, I don't know, man, it was enough.
Speaker 1: And then uh, a few weeks later, I realized, why
Speaker 1: did I believe Anthony? Of course he's stole that. Of course,
Speaker 1: could you have done a worse job with chef A
Speaker 1: in general, I mean, you disgraced his business, You thieved
Speaker 1: items out of his rent. Disrespectable as a man, that's
Speaker 1: what you did. And you weren't honorable. And I was
Speaker 1: a bad waiter too. I was in one of the
Speaker 1: worst sections. That was the twentieth percentile waiter. U. Al right,
Speaker 1: well there you go. So if you've been fired before,
Speaker 1: don't feel bad about it, because everybody's got a story.
Speaker 1: Some reflect worse on themselves than others, like Greg's story.
Speaker 1: I mean, chef A, please, did you ever Maybe that's
Speaker 1: something that would be one of those cool likes, you know, Yeah,
Speaker 1: call him back, call him back on the show, like reunite,
Speaker 1: like just give him a call. Hey, Like almost what
Speaker 1: was that show? The movie with John Cusack Fidelity? Fidelity?
Speaker 1: Just twenty years later, it's like, hey, I know I
Speaker 1: wasn't right and I was in the wrong, and I
Speaker 1: mean Chef was not a popular character among basically every
Speaker 1: staff member there. And uh, I would imagine he has
Speaker 1: a side of this story though, that we would like
Speaker 1: to hear. Ricky, can we track down. Yeah, look at
Speaker 1: the fact that you went there to drink, Well, that
Speaker 1: was ridiculous. That was stupid. I was also like underage,
Speaker 1: Like there's a whole lot of breaking laws laws also,
Speaker 1: and also you can lose your liquor license if if
Speaker 1: you serve underage. So that would have destroyed Chepy's but
Speaker 1: he didn't own it. But yes, so why are their
Speaker 1: caveats to what to whether that would have been a
Speaker 1: good idea or good for chee? Thursday Night Football, Good sage, Ricky,
Speaker 1: Thanks that was fund Are you happy were your hot
Speaker 1: butt rankings then? And is it sort of giving you
Speaker 1: a little bit of insight to what? Yeah? No, I think, Um,
Speaker 1: it's I think it's a reminder of what makes following
Speaker 1: sports so fun. Things changed? Do you think you know everything?
Speaker 1: And then a lot changes? All right, let's get to it.
Speaker 1: Thursday Night Football. The Cleveland Browns at home against the Steelers,
Speaker 1: their last meeting, the first meeting this season and their
Speaker 1: first meeting and over a year. Uh, they played both
Speaker 1: their games early last year. So here are the Browns
Speaker 1: at three and six. They got the w against the Bills.
Speaker 1: Mark Um watched that game yesterday. Not not a not
Speaker 1: and you kind of alluded to the US on Sunday Show.
Speaker 1: Not like a knock your socks offer for and rounds
Speaker 1: that makes you think they're ready to go on a surge,
Speaker 1: and yet with the Steelers coming in, Uh, it's all there.
Speaker 1: The table is set for the Browns to get themselves
Speaker 1: back into the playoff race. Stewart die, Yes, it is.
Speaker 1: I mean I think every week we talked about it.
Speaker 1: Every Browns game from here on out is that way,
Speaker 1: and I it's a big challenge. I get that. I
Speaker 1: get that Pittsburgh's offense is, you know, probably mired in
Speaker 1: what will be a season long slump at this point
Speaker 1: based on what's happened to the personnel, But it sounds
Speaker 1: like they might get James connerback. That's TBD at this point,
Speaker 1: but that would be that would help because their running
Speaker 1: game has been an absolute mess. The one the other
Speaker 1: sides who everyone wants to talk about. The Browns offense
Speaker 1: over and over in their defense has been acceptable, uh
Speaker 1: for stretches. But one thing that bugs me about them,
Speaker 1: because I felt like that Bills game could have used
Speaker 1: and I think the Steelers game could use it too,
Speaker 1: is something like we saw last night, like a home
Speaker 1: town pick six that flips the game on its butt
Speaker 1: and puts the Steelers into a hole versus setting their
Speaker 1: pass rush up all night long. And the Browns have
Speaker 1: seven eight turnovers on the entire year and two since
Speaker 1: Week four. They have not were last year. They were
Speaker 1: not a good football team, but they were a turnover
Speaker 1: machine under Greg Williams and it helped them in spots
Speaker 1: and it certainly helped their offense. And they have gotten
Speaker 1: two turnovers since Week four. Is not done a lot
Speaker 1: for a Baker Mayfield attack that outside of getting Kareem
Speaker 1: Hunt back at this point, I thought that he made
Speaker 1: a big difference in that last game. And I'm kind
Speaker 1: of excited to see what they do with Nick Chubb
Speaker 1: and cream Hunt together because I expected very little with
Speaker 1: the way that they've found a way to not maximize
Speaker 1: all their weapons. So there's a lot of questions for
Speaker 1: the Browns going into this and if they are suddenly
Speaker 1: down twenty three and Baker Mayfield has been sacked six
Speaker 1: times and they're talking about all the same stuff we've
Speaker 1: heard in every Browns game all year, lights out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if you're the Browns without a offensive line, I think
Speaker 1: the Steelers front seven might be the last one you
Speaker 1: want to face right now. And the Steelers the next
Speaker 1: three weeks they have Brown's Bengals Browns, they could be
Speaker 1: marching through Ohio like like Sherman marching to Wow. Uh
Speaker 1: yeah that the Browns tackles, especially trying to stop I
Speaker 1: think the Browns, I mean, like last week Baker Mayfield
Speaker 1: had great protection overall, and I think he's been okay
Speaker 1: most weeks, but yeah, matching up against t J. Watt
Speaker 1: and Duprie, especially on the right, is gonna be big
Speaker 1: time trouble. They played Chub and Hunt together. I think
Speaker 1: you're right pointing that out. At what they did, thirty
Speaker 1: eight snaps for Hunting, fifty six for Chub out of
Speaker 1: sixty nine, so that means they were on the field
Speaker 1: for thirty snaps together, which you just do not see
Speaker 1: in the NFL. And and Hunt did add a lot
Speaker 1: of jews. That's it was a great point to make
Speaker 1: about the defense mark because remember that it was kind
Speaker 1: of like the hipster take of like, hey, their offense
Speaker 1: is gonna be great, uh, you know this year, But
Speaker 1: what could really dominate maybe the best group on that
Speaker 1: team is that defensive line. That could be the best
Speaker 1: defensive line the league. Maybe I even said that, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't even know hopefully not in that annoying voice.
Speaker 1: But they haven't. They haven't taken over at all. Ogan
Speaker 1: job has been pretty quiet. Vernon has been hurt and
Speaker 1: has been pretty quiet. I guess he haven't. Have you
Speaker 1: watched their defensive line and thought, Okay, this this team
Speaker 1: is taken over like like Garrett and against good teams
Speaker 1: Garrett and Vernon against Denver, yes, but against like real teams.
Speaker 1: I think you are selling that to some short That's fair.
Speaker 1: Garrett's been great, Garrett's piling up sacks. But I guess
Speaker 1: what I'm missing this year is the one stable of
Speaker 1: better Brown's teams is you know, it gets cold now
Speaker 1: and you can put teams to bed with turnovers, with interceptions,
Speaker 1: and they have a good secondary. It's pretty deep. They've
Speaker 1: been injured up and down. But I don't know, I
Speaker 1: could steep. I just see Pittsburgh hanging around, if not
Speaker 1: outright taking this thing. Oh yeah, they mean the way
Speaker 1: they're defense, their defense is clearly the best group in
Speaker 1: this game. I don't know at this point. Yeah, Dan,
Speaker 1: do you want Maybe I'll throw this out there. I
Speaker 1: did think Mason Rudolph played his best game of the
Speaker 1: season last week, which is maybe damning with fame praise,
Speaker 1: but I think he's probably played his best two games
Speaker 1: in a row, incremental improving. Dan. I don't know if
Speaker 1: you wanted to throw out the question you did to
Speaker 1: us downstairs about West and and Mason Rudolph, or is
Speaker 1: that not for public? I mean, now that you brought
Speaker 1: it up, I guess I should do it if West,
Speaker 1: because we know West's problems with Mason Rudolph, and on
Speaker 1: last Thursday's podcast, West said he was gonna, you know,
Speaker 1: have an open mind, and then on Sunday show you
Speaker 1: were even angrier with a young man over his play.
Speaker 1: I I just threw out the idea if West would
Speaker 1: were to travel to Pittsburgh and do harm to Mason Rudolph,
Speaker 1: how would Mark and Greg approach the support of West,
Speaker 1: both internally, privately and then in public on the podcast.
Speaker 1: Well you didn't just say harm, Well, I it was
Speaker 1: a lent yeah, life ending harm, violent act, no life
Speaker 1: damaging in the hospital. I said that number one. I'd
Speaker 1: take that um that public stance of we need all
Speaker 1: the facts, we need the information we need to know.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to take a side here until the
Speaker 1: case is clear to us. But I also think that people. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's easy to be judge, and it's
Speaker 1: easy just to look at what someone does and say,
Speaker 1: well cased clothes, they're a good or bad person. West
Speaker 1: is a very multilayered individual, as all people are. But West,
Speaker 1: you know, you can see if you just hang out
Speaker 1: there for a couple of hours, the many layers. I
Speaker 1: am not gonna jump ship on West's friendship based on
Speaker 1: you got that layer of velvet on right now, look
Speaker 1: at that repute. Oh yeah, I'm sticking by him. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna have the research team or maybe our
Speaker 1: video department make just like a reel of third down
Speaker 1: throws by Mason Rudolph, just as a support, you know,
Speaker 1: say hey, what's this before you get before you come
Speaker 1: to a judgment, Let's watch these third eleven checkdowns. Privately,
Speaker 1: I would uh support West to the to the extent
Speaker 1: that I had helped find him the best lawyer money
Speaker 1: could buy. This guy's dirty. He'll dig up all this stuff.
Speaker 1: You need to find somebody gonna pay for it. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna help and we'll do a go fund me. We'll
Speaker 1: do that again. We'll get it all going and we'll
Speaker 1: make sure West gets probation Max and we don't he
Speaker 1: misses very few shows. And then publicly I'd keep my distance.
Speaker 1: It's just it would just be so toxic that I
Speaker 1: feel like I would you have a wife, and I
Speaker 1: would reserve it. I would say no comment publicly and
Speaker 1: just say it's a difficult situation for everybody right now,
Speaker 1: and I'd rather not say anything. But and then I'd
Speaker 1: be working behind the scenes with you. This is this
Speaker 1: is a fascinating topic, one which is you know, holy
Speaker 1: unreasonable and would never happen. First of all, first of all,
Speaker 1: I'd be more likely to slip him some h G
Speaker 1: H than to harm him. Let's let's let's get a
Speaker 1: better version of that makes you a better quarterback, of course, okay,
Speaker 1: I mean especially when you're asking out, when your tendency
Speaker 1: is to back into or away from pressure, anytime you're
Speaker 1: about to throw H G H might help. Um. I
Speaker 1: liked this team and I enjoy watching them. So I
Speaker 1: want to see an improved Mason Rudolph, which you may
Speaker 1: say he's been I I don't think he's improved a
Speaker 1: little bit. I can can I just say I thought
Speaker 1: maybe you were looking at my screen that while you
Speaker 1: guys were initially talking about this, I did one of
Speaker 1: those A B tests and looked at the first six
Speaker 1: games for Mason Rudolph in the first six games for
Speaker 1: Gardner Minshew, and they're statistically is not a big difference
Speaker 1: other than some downfield passing. That is that is damning
Speaker 1: of football statistics. That is incredibly damn I'm here, I'm
Speaker 1: out here saying that the A B test he doesn't like.
Speaker 1: I don't know why you need to go after the Minshew.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, no, it's not a shot. He's not
Speaker 1: as bad as people, or certain persons, felonious persons perhaps
Speaker 1: are penning him out to Bay. If you watch Minshew
Speaker 1: real quick, I get hope watching Minshew, and he's exciting.
Speaker 1: I don't feel the way about I think you using
Speaker 1: stats to try to compare Mason Rudolph the Gardner Minshew
Speaker 1: says more about you than it does masonber Rudolph. There's
Speaker 1: different numbers, though, and he's the advanced matrics. He certainly
Speaker 1: struggles PFF, which is more just you know grading him.
Speaker 1: He's a bottom you know five quarterback, and Minshew is
Speaker 1: right around average for starters they are not even between there.
Speaker 1: They should not even be mentioned in the same breath together.
Speaker 1: I know because Gardner Minshu's Steve Young. I keep forgetting this.
Speaker 1: This guy sits on the bench on Sunday. What I
Speaker 1: love is that there are crowd If there are multi
Speaker 1: agendas happening here, this is absurdain. I mean, can we
Speaker 1: calm down a little bit with the Gardner Minshew hero worship?
Speaker 1: Did you ask what he's going to say about him?
Speaker 1: He didn't play well. He did play with played really well.
Speaker 1: It was fine. And you know what, Mason Rudolph is
Speaker 1: okay so far, not great, not the worst I think
Speaker 1: he's been. He's been a pretty big detriment when you
Speaker 1: score eight points, you know, for your office. Like he's
Speaker 1: been a party big detriment. I do think he's made
Speaker 1: some improvements as though, not seeming as frenetic and going
Speaker 1: downfield and going through his reads a little bit and
Speaker 1: not making big mistakes against the Rams, it was a
Speaker 1: little better. I think it was. It wasn't as tough
Speaker 1: to watch progress. All right, there you go, do you
Speaker 1: you're locking the swea up mark? No. I feel like
Speaker 1: I escaped West and I both escaped narrow issues there
Speaker 1: with the last Brown's luck. Are you guys gonna stay
Speaker 1: in lock step? I like that lock step? Where are
Speaker 1: you gonna watch it? Well, we're two and one, share three.
Speaker 1: We're two and one at this point in my in
Speaker 1: lock step. And you know, Mark was very nice. It
Speaker 1: was a very generous thing he did while I was
Speaker 1: you know, my wings were clipped and I couldn't fly
Speaker 1: out of the nest. He fed me and he kept
Speaker 1: me alive for a while. It might be time for
Speaker 1: me to fly out of that nest on my own.
Speaker 1: I mean, I also led you to a hideous loss
Speaker 1: two weeks ago, so learned about feeding you. But um,
Speaker 1: all right. We will be back on Thursday with two shows.
Speaker 1: We have the preview of week eleven all the Sunday
Speaker 1: and Monday game uh games. Also we will recap Browns
Speaker 1: and Steelers late Thursday night. Who's got Who's on that game?
Speaker 1: Who's doing that game? It's it's gonna be West and Greg. Mark,
Speaker 1: you doing that game too, I offered to if you could, Well,
Speaker 1: maybe you can't do it with the technology we're dealing with,
Speaker 1: but I could call in or something. But I don't
Speaker 1: need to. I mean it's it's rare that you get
Speaker 1: to watch your team as a fan, so I wouldn't
Speaker 1: you know. Either way, we'll survive. I gotta get the dongle.
Speaker 1: Gotta get that dongle. Oh, I got your dole, I
Speaker 1: got I go for you right here, all right, people
Speaker 1: know what that means. Let's go no, and there will
Speaker 1: be no further explanations. Stan had to signing out four
Speaker 1: Quiet Store and the Mailman, the old Boss Ricky at Hollywood,
Speaker 1: the idea generator behind the glass till Thursday m