WEBVTT - The Sheriff [bonus]

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the special summer series of Atlanta Monster. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>your host Jason Hoak. In this episode, we dive deeper

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<v Speaker 1>into the story of Sydney Dorsey, a legendary figure in

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<v Speaker 1>Atlanta law enforcement, a figure with continued connections to the

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<v Speaker 1>Atlanta child murders and some of them responsible for shooting

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<v Speaker 1>the sheriff. It was around midnight December, going into December

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand. My phone rings and it's the Decapp County

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<v Speaker 1>Police Department. They're saying, Mr. Cardwell, are you okay? And

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<v Speaker 1>I said, yeah, I'm okay. Would you please come to

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<v Speaker 1>your door? So we slowly walked to the front door.

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<v Speaker 1>I opened the door and there's a half dozen police

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<v Speaker 1>officer standing in the miserable rainy night in front of me,

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<v Speaker 1>the waters dripping off the brims of their hats, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's a bevy of local law enforcement. And they said,

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<v Speaker 1>Mr Cardwell, the sheriff elect of Decapp County, Dorwin Brown,

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<v Speaker 1>was shot and killed an hour in his front yard.

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<v Speaker 1>He's dead, and quite frankly, we expected to find you

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<v Speaker 1>dead too. It's surreal, you know, but it was reality.

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<v Speaker 1>And they said, we need you and your family to

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<v Speaker 1>get some clothes together because we believe we're just simply

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<v Speaker 1>moments ahead of whoever it is that wanted the sheriff dead.

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<v Speaker 1>They want you, dad, they want Jay Tom Morgan dad.

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<v Speaker 1>There are a number of people that they've had on

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<v Speaker 1>a hit list, and you're thinking, Oh my god, that's unbelievable,

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<v Speaker 1>that's impossible, that could not You can't be telling me,

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<v Speaker 1>wake me up. In Atlanta, another body was discovering today

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<v Speaker 1>at police Task Wars headquarters. There are twenty seven faces

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<v Speaker 1>on the wall, murdered, one missing. We do not know

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<v Speaker 1>the person or persons that are responsible. Therefore, we do

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<v Speaker 1>not have the money from Tenderfoot TV and how staff

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<v Speaker 1>works in Atlanta like a love Another recent victims in Atlanta,

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<v Speaker 1>Rogers apparently was asphyxiator Atlanta. It was unlikely to catch

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<v Speaker 1>the killer unless he keeps on killing. This is Atlanta monster.

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<v Speaker 1>During our investigation, Wayne Williams and Dwyane Hendricks told us

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<v Speaker 1>that Sydney Dorsey was the key to breaking open this case.

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<v Speaker 1>That he would have invaluable information that would change everything.

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<v Speaker 1>You're going to get to hear from Sydney Dorsey. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>he was a person w person responsible. They put me

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<v Speaker 1>in prison. The Dorsey, who is probably good. I agree

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<v Speaker 1>to talk to you. He's willing to complete I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>Sidney Dorsey is the key to all this. Dale Cardwell

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<v Speaker 1>was a reporter and investigator for local Atlanta television. One

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<v Speaker 1>faithful night you got a knock on his door from

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<v Speaker 1>local authorities. The night they brought him into protective custody,

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<v Speaker 1>Cardwell had been tracking corruption happening in the local Decap

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<v Speaker 1>County Police Department, a department that was led by Sheriff

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<v Speaker 1>Sydney Dorsey. If you'll recall, Sydney Dorsey was part of

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<v Speaker 1>an effort in the late nineties and early two thousands

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<v Speaker 1>to reopen the case, along with Officer Louis Graham. Both

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<v Speaker 1>Graham and Dorsey did not believe Williams was responsible. I

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<v Speaker 1>frankly don't think that Wayne Williams has killed anyone. That's

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<v Speaker 1>former Atlanta homicide detective sid Dorsey, who was with the

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<v Speaker 1>task force that put Williams behind bars. He's one of

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<v Speaker 1>an unlikely group of people in the criminal justice system

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<v Speaker 1>now coming forward to say Wayne Williams did not commit

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<v Speaker 1>the Atlanta child murders. I have never thought at Wayne

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<v Speaker 1>Williams was guilty of any murder that had not one

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<v Speaker 1>of those dozens of killings, not one. People asked me often,

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<v Speaker 1>did Wayne Williams do it? And I says no. Jones

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<v Speaker 1>disappeared in August close to this inner city strip mall.

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<v Speaker 1>Hours later, he was found near at dumpster behind the mall,

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<v Speaker 1>strangled wrapped in plastic. There was a young man who

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<v Speaker 1>claims to have witnessed the murder of Clifford Jones. Dorsey says.

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<v Speaker 1>An alleged eye witness described the strangling of Jones and

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<v Speaker 1>identified the strangler not Wayne Williams, but a man named

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<v Speaker 1>Jamie Brooks. I've always lived with the notion that Jamie

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<v Speaker 1>Brooks murdered the child. Brooks later died after serving time

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<v Speaker 1>in prison for rape, sodomy, and kidnapping. And despite all

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<v Speaker 1>that evidence, the task force blamed Clifford jones murder not

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<v Speaker 1>on Jamie Brooks, but on Wayne Williams. Dorsey was part

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<v Speaker 1>of the task force that worked on the Atlanta missing

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<v Speaker 1>and murdered cases. We recently filed an open records request

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<v Speaker 1>with the Georgia Bureau of Investigation for details on all

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<v Speaker 1>evidence collected for each of the victims killed during this time.

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<v Speaker 1>In these thousands of pages of records, we found many

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<v Speaker 1>instances of Sydney Dorsey involved as an officer on the case.

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<v Speaker 1>We also found that Dorsey was demoted in the police

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<v Speaker 1>ranks in seven when he questioned the case around Clefford Jones,

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<v Speaker 1>one of the victims. He filed a lawsuit and later

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<v Speaker 1>had his brank reinstated. In an interview with the Atlanta

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<v Speaker 1>Journal Constitution in two thousand five, Dorsey claimed that Larry

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<v Speaker 1>Peterson of the GBI Crime Lab walked into a room

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<v Speaker 1>and told Dorsey and Yvonne Fuller Jones that those fibers

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<v Speaker 1>are flying everywhere and that the fibers were also showing

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<v Speaker 1>up on an investigator sport code. When the trial approached

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<v Speaker 1>in Dorsey and others thought that new evidence would come out,

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<v Speaker 1>evidence that hadn't been previously revealed to the public. When

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<v Speaker 1>the fiber evidence was the primary thrust of the prosecution's case,

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<v Speaker 1>both Dorsey and Graham are called is that all there

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<v Speaker 1>is conspiracy theories are not. Dorsey continued on this path

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<v Speaker 1>of doubt about the way Williams case. Dorsey said Wayne's

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<v Speaker 1>father Homer called him in claiming Wayne had been set

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<v Speaker 1>up and like Williams. Dorsey also claimed he received calls

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<v Speaker 1>from a mysterious female figure. The woman was worried that

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<v Speaker 1>her husband, a recovering drug addict, might slip off and

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<v Speaker 1>try to buy drugs, and she contented Dorsey to tail him.

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<v Speaker 1>While Dorsey didn't get directly involved, the whiff of conspiratorial

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<v Speaker 1>talk creeps into Dorsey's narrative. Despite the police from both

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<v Speaker 1>Lewis Graham and Sydney Dorsey, the convictions in the Williams

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<v Speaker 1>case were upheld in and way Williams remained in prison.

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<v Speaker 1>The judge ruled that regardless of any evidence not presented

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<v Speaker 1>at the time of the original trial, nothing substantial had

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<v Speaker 1>changed regarding this evidence. But why was Sydney Dorsey so

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<v Speaker 1>important to this case now? What role did he have

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<v Speaker 1>in the and A child murders? And why is he

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<v Speaker 1>in a Georgia prison. The story of the sheriff Sydney

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<v Speaker 1>Dorsey is also one of the most bizarre murder cases

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<v Speaker 1>in US history. Dale Cardwell remembered not only the Atlanta

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<v Speaker 1>child murders, but also Sydney Dorsey. My name is Dale Cardwell.

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<v Speaker 1>I spent twenty five years as a conventional investigative reporter,

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<v Speaker 1>most of that at WSB. People trusted that I would

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<v Speaker 1>tell the story, keep them anonymous if they deserved to

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<v Speaker 1>be capta anonymous. I remember thinking, why can't they figure

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<v Speaker 1>this out? Who in the world could be doing this,

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<v Speaker 1>obviously in such a public manner and be doing it

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<v Speaker 1>without anyone catching them? What? A lot of people in

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<v Speaker 1>my demographic thought, Okay, they got him, let's put him

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<v Speaker 1>on trial, put him away, and let's move on. Dorsey

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<v Speaker 1>was intimately involved in the investigation. In fact, he was

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<v Speaker 1>part of the team that was in Wayne's house when

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<v Speaker 1>evidence was collected. And Dorsey had always been a big

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<v Speaker 1>personality in Atlanta. I moved to Atlanta and you couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>go anywhere without hearing the name Sydney Dorsey. Covering general

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<v Speaker 1>news and being a consumer investigator at the time, you're

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<v Speaker 1>running into his name often. Sydney was very aggressive, very personal,

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<v Speaker 1>had a charismatic way of presenting himself. He was considered

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<v Speaker 1>a cowboy, and so there are stories about his activities.

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<v Speaker 1>He was known in the community as as a guy

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<v Speaker 1>that would rough you up, and so kids in the

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<v Speaker 1>community were petrified of it. He would through the neighborhoods

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<v Speaker 1>and people were scared of him. He had two things

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<v Speaker 1>going for him. He was charismatic. Plus he had the blue.

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<v Speaker 1>He was wearing the blue, so he was all powerful.

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<v Speaker 1>There's one story of a kid hiding underneath a house

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<v Speaker 1>and Sydney Dorsey going underneath the house and the cross

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<v Speaker 1>base and just simply firing his weapon indiscriminately into the darkness.

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<v Speaker 1>Sydney Dorsey was ambitious and he had his eyes set

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<v Speaker 1>on a bigger prize. The sky was not the limit

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<v Speaker 1>for him. He felt driven to be something far beyond

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<v Speaker 1>what he had already become. He had incredible self confidence.

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<v Speaker 1>He started earning the respect and the support of the

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<v Speaker 1>African American church community into Capp County. Still, no one

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<v Speaker 1>dreamed that he could ever topple the system and become

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<v Speaker 1>the first elected African American sheriff, not only in the

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<v Speaker 1>Cab County, but in the state of Georgia. And he

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<v Speaker 1>did just that, and it was stunning. He was this

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<v Speaker 1>prolific Atlanta homicide police detective in the seventies and eighties

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<v Speaker 1>at a time when there were very few African American

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<v Speaker 1>police officers on the beat. As the white power structure

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<v Speaker 1>transitioned to a black power structure, Frankly, white people wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to keep their control over that transition. So there were

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<v Speaker 1>hands selected African Americans that were brought into the mix,

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<v Speaker 1>very capable, but they knew that there were white people

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<v Speaker 1>that wanted them in those positions. In a sense that

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<v Speaker 1>gave rise to the fact that they were untouchable. They

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<v Speaker 1>were not monitored and managed in the same way that

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<v Speaker 1>you would normally bring in someone and move them through

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<v Speaker 1>the police ranks. They were handled with kids clubs, and

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<v Speaker 1>they were able to get away with stuff that a

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<v Speaker 1>conventional officer was not able to get away with. Sydney

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<v Speaker 1>Dorsey's run a sheriff was not to go unchecked, though

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<v Speaker 1>he handily defeated opponent Derwin Brown. Brown would challenge Dorsey

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<v Speaker 1>again in two thousand. Derwin Brown was a decap county

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<v Speaker 1>police officer. By all accounts, he was straight laced, he

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<v Speaker 1>treated people fairly, He was very involved in his community.

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<v Speaker 1>He truly cared about the community. He was a very

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<v Speaker 1>very pro union police officer, and so therefore the county

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<v Speaker 1>management could not stand him. They were at constant odds

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<v Speaker 1>because Derwin Brown was always trying to fight for police

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<v Speaker 1>officers rights and he was not afraid to be in

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<v Speaker 1>the lead in that fight. They were okay to keep

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<v Speaker 1>him in this place as long as they could control him,

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<v Speaker 1>keep him as a decapped county officer. Yeah, he's rattling

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<v Speaker 1>sabers and talking about better pay for police officers. But

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<v Speaker 1>as long as we keep him there, we're okay. They

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<v Speaker 1>never dreamed that he could break out of that paradigm,

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<v Speaker 1>and the thought of him running for sheriff and actually

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<v Speaker 1>winning the office was unthinkable. I was at a dairy queen.

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<v Speaker 1>It was late in the evening, and I'm standing in

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<v Speaker 1>line and a guy behind me says, hey, you're Dale

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<v Speaker 1>Cardwell with Channel two. I've got the story of the year,

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<v Speaker 1>but I don't think you've got the courage to tell it.

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<v Speaker 1>I said, Okay, try me, and he said, the sheriff

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<v Speaker 1>of De Cab County is using on duty sheriff's deputies

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<v Speaker 1>to man his private security jobs all over me to Atlanta,

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<v Speaker 1>and nobody will do anything about it. He's using on

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<v Speaker 1>duty deputies who are being paid by the taxpayers, and

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<v Speaker 1>then he's dispatching them to banks, shopping centers, all kinds

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<v Speaker 1>of commercial establishments where the sheriff has private security contracts

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<v Speaker 1>with those establishments through his side business called s and

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<v Speaker 1>s security and I said that's crazy. There's no way

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<v Speaker 1>that he could get away with that. He says, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>well he is because everybody is afraid of this guy,

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<v Speaker 1>and nobody will bust that story. I was notive enough

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<v Speaker 1>to think I'll bust that story. If I can determine

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<v Speaker 1>that it's true, I'll tell that story. He wanted anonymity,

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<v Speaker 1>obviously for reasons that Sydney controlled a lot of jobs

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<v Speaker 1>in the county. And I started digging, it's what I do,

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<v Speaker 1>and I found that he told me the truth. I

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<v Speaker 1>saw Sydney Dorsey's name everywhere on every Sheriff's Department vehicle,

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<v Speaker 1>on every entrance to every building that's controlled by the

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<v Speaker 1>decamped county Sheriff's Department. Sydney was a promoter, par excellant.

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<v Speaker 1>No one could touch him in self promotion. He was

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<v Speaker 1>on television every chance he had it to be on television.

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<v Speaker 1>He was building an incredible hatronage system for himself where

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<v Speaker 1>people owed him for the jobs they had. I think

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<v Speaker 1>that he could envision no possibility of losing the election.

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<v Speaker 1>Everyone around him had to be and was a fan

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<v Speaker 1>of Sydney Dorsey. They told him that he was great.

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<v Speaker 1>He heard every day that he was great. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think anyone ever challenged him at all. Shockingly, Dorsey did

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<v Speaker 1>not win his re election for sheriff after being forced

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<v Speaker 1>into a runoff election with Brown, but no one saw

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<v Speaker 1>coming Brown ended up winning easily in the runoff. Well.

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<v Speaker 1>On election night it was it was a stunner of

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<v Speaker 1>Darwin Brown one three to one. This guy who was

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<v Speaker 1>destined to be a street cop suddenly became the most

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<v Speaker 1>powerful person into Cap County. When you manage a three

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<v Speaker 1>hundred plus million dollar budget a year with zero governing,

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<v Speaker 1>you're in charge of all of it. All of a

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<v Speaker 1>sudden you're the king. And I don't think that that's

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<v Speaker 1>what he was after. I think he was after the

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<v Speaker 1>belief that he can make a difference, and it suddenly

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<v Speaker 1>he had the power to make a difference. So it

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<v Speaker 1>was euphoria for him. It was utter defeat for Sydney

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<v Speaker 1>Dorsey two time. Morgan had been through his own campaign

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<v Speaker 1>that year to becoming Decab County's new district attorney. As

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<v Speaker 1>the sheriff has little to do with the investigational crops um.

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<v Speaker 1>He's more a gatekeeper and guard of the jail. Now

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<v Speaker 1>our jail is the biggest jail decide of the Mississippi River.

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<v Speaker 1>In December two thousand, a series of unbelievable events would

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<v Speaker 1>change local law enforcement history and the faiths of Sydney

0:15:39.880 --> 0:15:56.840
<v Speaker 1>Dorsey and Durham Brown forever. I think it was anger first,

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<v Speaker 1>disbelief second, and I think they started looking for people

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<v Speaker 1>to blame, and clearly Derwin Brown was to blame for this.

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<v Speaker 1>It's called sheriff's school. You get two weeks learned how

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<v Speaker 1>to be a hotel manager with a gun. When Brown

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<v Speaker 1>returned to his home that night, he was shot and

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<v Speaker 1>killed in his driveway by unknown assailants. The people that

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<v Speaker 1>perpetrated the crime for him, led by Patrick Cuffey. Three

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<v Speaker 1>of them were to Cab County Sheriff's deputies that had

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<v Speaker 1>no credentials. They should never have been sworn in as

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<v Speaker 1>police officers, criminal records, no training. Patrick Cuffey was the

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<v Speaker 1>second highest paid law officer in the county, next to

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<v Speaker 1>Sydney Dorsey. The assailants weren't random shooters with a grudge

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<v Speaker 1>against their new sheriff. They were inside the sheriff's department

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<v Speaker 1>and included on a list of employees that would not

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<v Speaker 1>be returning to the department. Once Brown officially started as

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<v Speaker 1>sheriff of the Cab County. Brown thought he was doing

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<v Speaker 1>these officers a favor by giving them notice that they

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<v Speaker 1>not be returning, but instead it ended up providing a motive,

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<v Speaker 1>a motive to get even. At that time, I had

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<v Speaker 1>a decision to make, and they gave me the opportunity

0:17:10.320 --> 0:17:14.119
<v Speaker 1>to make the decision. You know, fail, You're a valuable employee,

0:17:14.160 --> 0:17:17.440
<v Speaker 1>You're a really good reporter, but no one could expect

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<v Speaker 1>you to continue this line of investigation. Your life's in danger,

0:17:21.760 --> 0:17:25.680
<v Speaker 1>it's clearly been threatened. You have the opportunity to move

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<v Speaker 1>off this story. I thought about it, and I said,

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<v Speaker 1>this is what I'm supposed to do. I'm in this

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<v Speaker 1>position for a reason, and if I quit following this,

0:17:36.520 --> 0:17:39.679
<v Speaker 1>then the forces of evil are going to win. So

0:17:39.760 --> 0:17:42.360
<v Speaker 1>I felt compelled that I had to keep telling the story.

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<v Speaker 1>And just because the person who had been accused of

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<v Speaker 1>the murderer and the corruption was now in custody, it

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<v Speaker 1>didn't change the fact that we were continuing to unravel

0:17:52.440 --> 0:17:59.000
<v Speaker 1>stories of unbelievable corruption. And all these years later, I realized, Wow,

0:17:59.080 --> 0:18:02.359
<v Speaker 1>that's taken a toll on me. But I didn't realize

0:18:02.359 --> 0:18:07.640
<v Speaker 1>it at the time. My actions then had significant implications

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<v Speaker 1>for my family. My daughter to this day has nightmares

0:18:11.520 --> 0:18:14.000
<v Speaker 1>that something has happened to her dad. She'll call me up,

0:18:14.119 --> 0:18:16.520
<v Speaker 1>She'll say, I had the dream again. I had the

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<v Speaker 1>dream again. J Tom Morgan, to Cab County's newly elected

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<v Speaker 1>district Attorney, was also a target, and despite his initial resistance,

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<v Speaker 1>he also received help from police officials. Initially, I would

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<v Speaker 1>not accept any type of bodyguard or drab or anything

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<v Speaker 1>like that. It was only later is that I got

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<v Speaker 1>a confidential disclosure from the town left seeing one of

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<v Speaker 1>the four that my life was in danger, and that's

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<v Speaker 1>when I started with a round the top protection. We

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<v Speaker 1>took it very seriously. Um it was no rocking for

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<v Speaker 1>me and my family and my children. We did not

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<v Speaker 1>tell the kids that much, that they just had to

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<v Speaker 1>be very careful and there would be somebody, you know,

0:19:08.520 --> 0:19:11.640
<v Speaker 1>walking them home from school. There will be somebody when

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<v Speaker 1>they got home from school. And I never carried again

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<v Speaker 1>until that time. Derwin Brown was dead. Metro Atlanta was

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<v Speaker 1>shocked by what had happened. There was a buzz in

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<v Speaker 1>the city. No one was in custody for his murder,

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<v Speaker 1>but the suspects were hiding in plain sight. Nice to

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<v Speaker 1>Dale Cardwell's inside information and his newscast, the public and

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<v Speaker 1>myself more and more about what was going on. He

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<v Speaker 1>had literally run this past people, you know, saying, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>if something happened to Darwin Brown, God forbid, what do

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<v Speaker 1>you think would happen? And all the Sinkaphan said, well,

0:20:07.000 --> 0:20:10.440
<v Speaker 1>you would immediately be voted back in, They would appoint

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<v Speaker 1>you as the interim sheriff, and then there would be

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<v Speaker 1>a special election, and obviously you're the logical candidate. And

0:20:16.840 --> 0:20:21.879
<v Speaker 1>he truly believed that that's what would happen. When you

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<v Speaker 1>have a case like this, you draw a small circle

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<v Speaker 1>around someone who's been drawn from the inside out. The

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<v Speaker 1>only person that would seem to have a motive Business Dorsey.

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<v Speaker 1>Dorsey had this crazy idea that once Darvan was noted,

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<v Speaker 1>that he could run in a special election and get

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<v Speaker 1>his job back. We also sent in Fred May's, the

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<v Speaker 1>GBI director, Fred head of the GBI investigation not only

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<v Speaker 1>of the corruption but of the murder. But Fred went

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<v Speaker 1>into Ms Dorsey's office and was secretly wired and question

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<v Speaker 1>him and Mr Dorsey says, and he thinks he's having

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<v Speaker 1>a private conversation with Agent Mays, and he says, and

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<v Speaker 1>I quote Drwin Brown is the most god awful son

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<v Speaker 1>of the pitch I've ever met him entire life. One

0:21:16.480 --> 0:21:22.000
<v Speaker 1>of Dorsey's methods of communication was legendary eating the evidence.

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<v Speaker 1>Mr Dorsey had his habit that if he wanted something

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<v Speaker 1>to destroyed, he would eat it. There was a check

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<v Speaker 1>written by bondsman for a broad and when she paid

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<v Speaker 1>the bribe with the check, Dorsey ate the check. He said,

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<v Speaker 1>you only pay him cash. There was another instance with

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<v Speaker 1>the same boss, uh Suley Michael when they were in

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<v Speaker 1>a restaurant and we had ms mclickhel wired and Dorsey

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<v Speaker 1>became suspicious and he write on the napkin are you wired?

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<v Speaker 1>Handed it to his mut Bible and that the napkin

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<v Speaker 1>back and hate it. And then Keffie told all this

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<v Speaker 1>that and when he went to see Dorsey, he had

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<v Speaker 1>gotten the phone. Called to go see Dorsey. Dorsey answered

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<v Speaker 1>the front door where nothing that is bad? From handing

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<v Speaker 1>it a copy of note is that Kilda and Brown

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<v Speaker 1>copy read note. Dorsey took it back, put in his

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<v Speaker 1>mouth and ate it. This Dorsey was arrested at his

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<v Speaker 1>first appearance hearing how we're called. Vividly walking my son

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<v Speaker 1>to school and we had to pass the courthouse and

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<v Speaker 1>there would be protesters out there protesting against me and

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<v Speaker 1>for Dorsey and saying that I was prosecuting an innocent man.

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<v Speaker 1>It is the most dramatic moment of my career. Every

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<v Speaker 1>judge does it differently. Judge Becker and I had tried

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<v Speaker 1>cases before her before, and I knew she was going

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<v Speaker 1>to make the prosecutor read the verdict. I knew that

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<v Speaker 1>was going to be very difficult, but I was amazingly

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<v Speaker 1>calm read the jury by the defendant as to count

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<v Speaker 1>one guilty, as to account to guilty, as to count

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<v Speaker 1>three guilty as account for not guilty, as to county

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<v Speaker 1>by not guilty, as to count sis guilty, as to

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<v Speaker 1>count set guilty as account a guilty, as account that guilty,

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<v Speaker 1>as accounting ten guilt, as account of eleven guilty, account

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<v Speaker 1>twelve guilty, account of thirteen guilty, as to count four

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<v Speaker 1>team guilty. That's account of fifteam not guilty. Saturday, what

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<v Speaker 1>I remember is that Phillips Brown h just collapsed. We

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<v Speaker 1>all knew the first count was murdered. So when I

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<v Speaker 1>read the guilty, uh, Phillips fell out and U so

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<v Speaker 1>it's hard to getting through the rest of indictments. Sydney

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<v Speaker 1>Dorsey had no physical response to the verdict. You saw nothing,

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<v Speaker 1>no change in his demeanor at all. He was very stoic.

0:24:14.800 --> 0:24:17.919
<v Speaker 1>He had no reaction, never said a word. During the

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<v Speaker 1>Senate scene, he put his hands up and he said,

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<v Speaker 1>your honor, I know you're gonna sentence me severely, but

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<v Speaker 1>I do not have the blood of during Brown on

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<v Speaker 1>my hands. Sydney Dorsey has enough activity in the gray

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<v Speaker 1>that it may not be in his best interest to

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<v Speaker 1>tell everything he knows, because it might make him look

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<v Speaker 1>worse than he does. You have to think, if I'm

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<v Speaker 1>in in prison for the murder of my rival, what

0:24:53.440 --> 0:24:56.720
<v Speaker 1>could look worse than that? So you know, I tend

0:24:56.760 --> 0:25:06.280
<v Speaker 1>to think that Sydney Dorsey ought to talk. Rumblings and

0:25:06.320 --> 0:25:09.439
<v Speaker 1>the innocence of way Williams continued from Lewis Graham and

0:25:09.480 --> 0:25:12.639
<v Speaker 1>Sydney Dorsey even after Dorsey had been convicted of the

0:25:12.720 --> 0:25:16.920
<v Speaker 1>murderer of Brown and made two thousand five, Graham announced

0:25:16.920 --> 0:25:19.960
<v Speaker 1>he was reopening the cases around the Atlanta child murders.

0:25:20.080 --> 0:25:23.280
<v Speaker 1>Dorsey told Bill Torpy at the Atlanta Journal Constitution that

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<v Speaker 1>month that quote way Williams was the perfect suspect, the

0:25:27.520 --> 0:25:30.880
<v Speaker 1>perfect fall guy. If they arrested a white guy, there

0:25:30.880 --> 0:25:36.000
<v Speaker 1>would have been riots across the US. When Dorsey heard

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<v Speaker 1>the news from his old friend Graham, he was confident

0:25:38.640 --> 0:25:42.679
<v Speaker 1>that he must have had something. Graham continued to press on,

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<v Speaker 1>my responsibility as chief of police in the Camp County

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<v Speaker 1>is to look at all cases, and it was my

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<v Speaker 1>decisions who look at these UH five cases, along with

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<v Speaker 1>other unsolved cases. We are simply open in these cases

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<v Speaker 1>and we are simply going to follow uh The evidence

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<v Speaker 1>for it leaves is. You have been quoted as saying

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<v Speaker 1>I have never believed that he did anything. Is that

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<v Speaker 1>a correct quote? That is a very very correct quote.

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<v Speaker 1>That's great. The day the paper had the headline that

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<v Speaker 1>Lewis Graham was reopening that case, there was another major

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<v Speaker 1>political controversy that was coming out the same day. The

0:26:27.880 --> 0:26:30.400
<v Speaker 1>gb I had been conducting an investigation of a very

0:26:30.400 --> 0:26:34.400
<v Speaker 1>powerful local political leader and the results of that investigation

0:26:34.480 --> 0:26:37.920
<v Speaker 1>was going to be embarrassing to that leader. And Louis

0:26:37.960 --> 0:26:41.679
<v Speaker 1>Graham worked for that leader. And it's my opinion that

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<v Speaker 1>those two people conspired to figure out a bigger story

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<v Speaker 1>to break on the day that the embarrassing story was

0:26:49.240 --> 0:26:52.359
<v Speaker 1>going to come out to that other figure. And that's

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<v Speaker 1>exactly what happened. Missing Murder Children front page of the

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<v Speaker 1>j C, the embarrassing story to the political leader buried

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<v Speaker 1>in the metro section. Did the case of the Atlanta

0:27:02.760 --> 0:27:06.360
<v Speaker 1>child murders get reopened due to a competing political scandal

0:27:07.160 --> 0:27:11.200
<v Speaker 1>or was this conspiracy theory? Dorsey himself did not confess

0:27:11.280 --> 0:27:14.200
<v Speaker 1>to the murder of Jerwan Brown until years later. He

0:27:14.320 --> 0:27:18.040
<v Speaker 1>told District Attorney Gwen Keys Fleming on July thirte two

0:27:18.080 --> 0:27:21.359
<v Speaker 1>thousand seven, that he did indeed order the hit on Brown.

0:27:22.240 --> 0:27:25.720
<v Speaker 1>The Associated Press reported that Dorsey told Fleming that after

0:27:25.840 --> 0:27:29.280
<v Speaker 1>losing the election in two thousand he was angry and

0:27:29.320 --> 0:27:32.040
<v Speaker 1>that he was also having problems with his marriage. After

0:27:32.119 --> 0:27:37.040
<v Speaker 1>cheating allegations surfaced, he gave Patrick Cuffey the order to

0:27:37.040 --> 0:27:39.679
<v Speaker 1>put out the hit, but later cool on this thinking.

0:27:40.720 --> 0:27:43.320
<v Speaker 1>Lewis Graham resigned in May of two thousand six after

0:27:43.400 --> 0:27:47.760
<v Speaker 1>internal police recordings of profanity laced conversations between Graham and

0:27:47.800 --> 0:27:51.760
<v Speaker 1>his assistant became public. Despite the drama and excitement that

0:27:51.880 --> 0:27:55.600
<v Speaker 1>initially surrounded the reopening of the investigation of Atlanta child

0:27:55.680 --> 0:27:59.320
<v Speaker 1>murder victims from decap County. The investigation was eventually shuttered

0:27:59.760 --> 0:28:08.720
<v Speaker 1>one Grammar signed. Recently, we heard from Sydney Dorsey again.

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<v Speaker 1>While we continued to ask him more questions about the

0:28:12.320 --> 0:28:15.560
<v Speaker 1>Atlanta child murders, Dorsey was still light on details in

0:28:15.600 --> 0:28:24.640
<v Speaker 1>his follow up letter sent from prison. I will read

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<v Speaker 1>our questions and Meredith, our producer, will read the responses

0:28:28.400 --> 0:28:36.959
<v Speaker 1>from Sydney Dorsey's letter. Dear miss Steadman, I received your

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<v Speaker 1>letter dated January and I must honestly tell you that

0:28:42.480 --> 0:28:46.640
<v Speaker 1>I remain challenged to seek the truth although locked up

0:28:46.640 --> 0:28:49.960
<v Speaker 1>behind these prison walls. I want justice for our poor

0:28:50.040 --> 0:28:54.280
<v Speaker 1>kids and their families. Unfortunately, time and memory is a

0:28:54.360 --> 0:28:57.680
<v Speaker 1>factor and its weight must be considered as I address

0:28:57.760 --> 0:29:01.320
<v Speaker 1>each of your questions. They're for Please bear with me

0:29:01.400 --> 0:29:05.680
<v Speaker 1>for a moment as we reopen a cold case. I

0:29:05.760 --> 0:29:07.800
<v Speaker 1>heard that you fought to keep the Clifford Jones case

0:29:07.840 --> 0:29:10.440
<v Speaker 1>in the trial as one of the victims. Is this true?

0:29:10.760 --> 0:29:14.920
<v Speaker 1>If so, could you shed light on your reasoning. I

0:29:14.960 --> 0:29:18.000
<v Speaker 1>remember the name Clifford Jones, but I do not remember

0:29:18.040 --> 0:29:20.680
<v Speaker 1>any of the details regarding his case. Please write me

0:29:20.720 --> 0:29:23.360
<v Speaker 1>back with more details, then, perhaps that will help me

0:29:23.400 --> 0:29:27.800
<v Speaker 1>to remember. Was there another name besides Wayne Williams that

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<v Speaker 1>came up repeatedly in the investigation? I do not recall

0:29:33.440 --> 0:29:38.360
<v Speaker 1>any name or names that came up repeatedly during our investigation. However,

0:29:38.760 --> 0:29:41.280
<v Speaker 1>I advise you to contact the former team leaders and

0:29:41.320 --> 0:29:44.920
<v Speaker 1>get their input. Did it never seem to you that

0:29:45.080 --> 0:29:51.440
<v Speaker 1>someone or some group was not looked into enough? Four

0:29:51.480 --> 0:29:56.480
<v Speaker 1>brothers reportedly members of the KKK. We're not thoroughly investigated,

0:29:56.640 --> 0:30:00.760
<v Speaker 1>in my opinion, and if they were, I have information.

0:30:02.280 --> 0:30:04.640
<v Speaker 1>Who would you talk to if you were us hopefully

0:30:04.680 --> 0:30:10.240
<v Speaker 1>to close the door on this tragedy. I honestly do

0:30:10.360 --> 0:30:13.640
<v Speaker 1>not know anyone in or out of law enforcement that

0:30:13.680 --> 0:30:17.160
<v Speaker 1>can help you close the door on this tragedy. Perhaps

0:30:17.160 --> 0:30:20.840
<v Speaker 1>you should consider contacting Welcome Harris, a former team leader

0:30:21.280 --> 0:30:25.560
<v Speaker 1>who headed a team of investigators roseland Richardson whose team

0:30:25.560 --> 0:30:29.000
<v Speaker 1>handled all of the incoming tips, and a GPI agent

0:30:29.240 --> 0:30:32.240
<v Speaker 1>who also led a team of investigators. I was also

0:30:32.280 --> 0:30:36.720
<v Speaker 1>a team leader in charge of all crime scene investigation. Finally,

0:30:37.120 --> 0:30:39.760
<v Speaker 1>Morris Reading was the chief of police and in charge

0:30:39.840 --> 0:30:44.880
<v Speaker 1>of the homicide Task Force. Did you ever personally speak

0:30:44.880 --> 0:30:48.280
<v Speaker 1>to Wayne Williams? If so, when was the last time.

0:30:50.640 --> 0:30:53.200
<v Speaker 1>I have never seen in person, nor have I spoken

0:30:53.200 --> 0:31:00.240
<v Speaker 1>with Wayne Williams at any time. Welcome Harris, former ajor

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<v Speaker 1>with the Atlanta Police Department, died in two thousand and sixteen.

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<v Speaker 1>We will reach out to both Richardson and Reading, though

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<v Speaker 1>neither has made any public comments on the innocence of

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<v Speaker 1>Williams since his conviction in Reading was Atlanta Deputy police

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<v Speaker 1>chief at the time and a key figure on the

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<v Speaker 1>task force. When the guilty verdict was handed down to

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<v Speaker 1>Way Williams, District Attorney Lewis Layton offered thanks to Reading

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<v Speaker 1>and others for their work on the case. Despite our

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<v Speaker 1>multiple efforts to uncover more information from Dorsey, what we

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<v Speaker 1>received was vague and full of dead ends. I think

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<v Speaker 1>the man that craved the limelight twenty years ago does

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<v Speaker 1>not exist anymore. Intimidation, corruption, murder. Sydney Dorsey has been

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<v Speaker 1>attached to all of these things over as many years

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<v Speaker 1>as an officer of the law. As we all know now,

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<v Speaker 1>Mr Dorsey was involved in the killing of a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of people. He was not indicted in an altercation he

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<v Speaker 1>had at a gas station. The teenager at a gas

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<v Speaker 1>station over allegedly spilling gas on Mr. Dorsey's vehicle and

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<v Speaker 1>the man winds up getting shot to death. And this

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<v Speaker 1>is during the Missing and Murdered Children's case. In a

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<v Speaker 1>strange twist of fate, Dorsey's son was murdered earlier this

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<v Speaker 1>year in a shootout. Well, the son of a former

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<v Speaker 1>Decab County sheriff who is now imprisoned for the assassination

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<v Speaker 1>of his rival, has been murdered. Clayton County Police found

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<v Speaker 1>the body of Sydney Dorsey, Jr. On north Ridge Trail

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<v Speaker 1>in Ellenwood January nine. He was faced down in the

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<v Speaker 1>middle of the road, shot several times. Right now, police

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<v Speaker 1>do not have any witnesses or suspects. Dorsey's father is

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<v Speaker 1>currently serving life in prison for arranging the murder of

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<v Speaker 1>Derwin Brown after Brown meeting him. Thank you for joining

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