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Speaker 1: Amy Roboc and TJ.

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Speaker 2: Holmes present Killer Thriller with your host Elisa Donovan.

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Speaker 3: Hey everyone, Elisa Donovan here and this is Killer Thriller.

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Speaker 3: Today's story starts in a place that feels completely safe,

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Speaker 3: a quiet town, a close community. A couple who knew

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Speaker 3: all the people around them, They went to church, lived

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Speaker 3: their lives, and never imagined they were being watched until

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Speaker 3: one night they wake up to a masked gunman.

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Speaker 1: Standing at the foot of their bed.

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Speaker 3: They are taken from their home, locked in a hidden room,

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Speaker 3: and told that if they don't do exactly what he says,

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Speaker 3: they and their family will be killed. This isn't a

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Speaker 3: random crime. This is someone who knew them, someone who

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Speaker 3: had been planning this for over a year, and what

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Speaker 3: unfolds is a fight for survival. Today I am joined

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Speaker 3: by Nancy Travis, who stars as Connie van Houstin in

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Speaker 3: Rescued by Faith, The Connie and Larry Van Euston Story.

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Speaker 1: Nancy, thank you so much for being here today with me.

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Speaker 4: Oh my pleasure. I'm so happy to chat with you.

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Speaker 3: So I just watched this movie and first of all,

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Speaker 3: you're terrific in it, and you know, we obviously cover

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Speaker 3: on this podcast a lot of very traumatic, difficult cases

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Speaker 3: and situations, and oftentimes they're very long lead, like they

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Speaker 3: go on for a long time. So sort of at

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Speaker 3: first glance, this feels like because it's such a shorter

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Speaker 3: amount of time these people were terrorized, that it's like, oh,

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Speaker 3: it's not so bad, but it's really awful. Like these people,

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Speaker 3: it's an incredibly violent, emotionally violent thing to go through.

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Speaker 3: So what because it's you know, you're in your own home,

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Speaker 3: So what aspect of it really struck you the most

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Speaker 3: initially when you read about this case.

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Speaker 2: I think, I mean, the thing that struck me the

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Speaker 2: they weren't terribly wealthy people. They weren't they were good people.

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Speaker 2: I mean, they were elders in a church community and

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Speaker 2: somebody came into their home and fairly violently abducted them,

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Speaker 2: pulled them out of their beds. This woman, Connie, her

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Speaker 2: into the trunk of a car, driven to a blindfolded

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Speaker 4: Basically and held there.

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Speaker 2: And it's it's interesting that it was that you bring

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Speaker 2: you know you Star was saying that it wasn't really

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Speaker 4: I think it was two days.

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Speaker 2: Or something held, but they were in in a there

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Speaker 2: and it felt interminable. And I think the most shocking

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Speaker 2: thing to me about this whole story is that it

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Speaker 2: could have been you, it could have been me, it

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Speaker 2: could have been any of us.

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Speaker 5: And also at the end of the day, the the

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Speaker 5: lengths that someone will go to a desperate person to

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Speaker 5: get money for a ransom, and and we're not even

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Speaker 5: talking about a lot of money here.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it really does speak to how extreme this person

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Speaker 1: And you know, like it's so.

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Speaker 3: Just speaking like culturally and how do you take care

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Speaker 3: if you don't have X, Y, and Z, you.

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Speaker 1: Aren't a successful human.

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Speaker 3: Like it's just so complicated to me that somebody could

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's so premeditated as well. And there's there's

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Speaker 2: I think an element of vindictiveness to it as well.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that he was apparently.

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Speaker 3: Sort of pitching they which they show in the in

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Speaker 3: their financial records, which again is like, you know, these

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Speaker 4: Right, And I think it is.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it ends up being someone that they they knew,

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Speaker 3: Oh that's the part that to me is particularly disturbing

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Speaker 2: Right, I mean, I think And it's interesting because that

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Speaker 2: I think it's a confluence of emotions that the shock,

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Speaker 2: so so so inherently evil that that And I think,

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Speaker 4: And at the same time, there is a.

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Speaker 2: I mean comfort is the wrong word, but there there

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Speaker 2: who this person is. I mean this she's been told

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Speaker 2: that this couple, Connie and Larry, have been told that

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's it's a whole thing that they

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Speaker 2: And then when she realizes who it is, it it

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Speaker 2: again it's you and me, and this is what you're

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Speaker 2: after and and that's what this is. And and I

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Speaker 2: me using my God right right, And I know that

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Speaker 2: that is the seed of where you live too, so

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Speaker 2: in an interesting way now and I don't know that

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it felt almost like in that that scene it

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Speaker 3: it's very uh, just familial in some way. And that

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Speaker 2: I want to say one more thing too, I think

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Speaker 4: There is a comfort in that and a solace.

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Speaker 2: And I think for these two people it wasn't necessarily

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Speaker 4: I mean, they were rescued literally.

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Speaker 2: But but even if they were to die, they would

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Speaker 2: And part of that, that sort of sympathy and weapon

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Speaker 2: have this, So whatever becomes of me, I'm okay with it,

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Speaker 4: But you have nothing. You're the one who's lost.

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Speaker 2: And that is a much more frightening position to be in.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and my position right.

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Speaker 3: That is a very powerful moment in the film where

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Speaker 3: It's brave, but I you know, she is to your point.

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Speaker 3: So she has such a belief and such a faith

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Speaker 1: I think she said, you say something.

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Speaker 3: Like I like, I hate you for doing this, but

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Speaker 3: I'll forgive you something to that effect.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I can't remember if they kept it in

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Speaker 2: that she'll try to forgive him, Yes, And it's also

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Speaker 2: an interest revelatory thing because a lot of Christianity is

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Speaker 2: about forgiveness, you know, forgive the people that do you wrong,

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Speaker 2: forgive and and that's a big thing. But she she

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Speaker 2: it's so evil what he's done to them.

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Speaker 4: That she she she's not sure she can forgive him.

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Speaker 2: And for him, I think he's counting on forgiveness because

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Speaker 2: he he impersonates somebody to communicate with them to try

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Speaker 1: You're kidding, Wait what?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he has. He pretends to be somebody else.

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Speaker 2: He pretends to be some woman that is just a

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Speaker 2: good Samaritan that that is part of a church that

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Speaker 2: goes to visit him. He pretends all this, Oh my gosh, yes,

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Speaker 2: on a lesser sentence.

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Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, I mean the level of depravity is confounding.

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Speaker 3: Really, do you think that's why I read that he

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Speaker 1: Of the cases that we've talked about on this show.

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Speaker 3: Like they've been extremely extremely abusive and violent and like

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Speaker 3: I said, for a longer length, and they've gotten such

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Speaker 3: a lesser sentence. So I wonder is that a part

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Speaker 3: of it that they knew he was even I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I mean, there's got to be I don't know what

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Speaker 2: the law is in terms of if you kidnap somebody

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Speaker 2: what the know what what it is? I mean there

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Speaker 2: must be a premeditation element.

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Speaker 1: To yes, Oh for sure.

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Speaker 4: Worse, I do this whole thing.

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Speaker 2: I mean, Savannah Guthrie's mother was was We don't know

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Speaker 2: what happened to her, And I couldn't stop thinking about that.

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Speaker 1: When were you guys shooting us?

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Speaker 2: We filmed it in the beginning of December?

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Speaker 1: Oh wow, right, okay, and.

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Speaker 2: I think that happened after that and we don't know

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Speaker 2: what's happened. But I couldn't help but recognize parallels.

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Speaker 1: Right of course.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, in the.

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Speaker 3: Film they they it seems that it keeps coming back

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Speaker 3: to this dynamic between Connie and Larry. Were Larry's always

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Speaker 3: protecting her, like that's kind of the dynamic of the

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Speaker 3: two of them. What did you make of that? And

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Speaker 3: why do you think they kept coming back to that?

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Speaker 3: Because ultimately she's the one that makes the choice, she

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Speaker 2: I think that that, I mean, you're right, that's the

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Speaker 2: dynamic of their relationship. But it it wasn't the thing.

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Speaker 2: It wasn't the thing that was going to save them,

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 3: I mean, that is a great it's a great message

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Speaker 3: all around for sure. Well, this has been such a pleasure.

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Speaker 3: You're just such a lovely person. And I've always been

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Speaker 3: a big fan. And I also I'm curious you're such

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Speaker 3: a You're just known for so many amazing comedies. So

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Speaker 3: do you feel like the opposite that you know, a

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Speaker 3: lot of people who do dark projects are always like

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Speaker 3: so I needed to do a sitcom, you know, But

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Speaker 3: do you feel.

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Speaker 1: The reverse like I needed to get in there?

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Speaker 2: And you know, honestly, I feel like it's all the

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Speaker 2: same thing. So it's not comedy versus darkness. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I think it's all just in the storytelling and trying

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Speaker 2: to be as truthful as you can in the storytelling,

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Speaker 2: whether it's a comedy or a drama or a suspense

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Speaker 2: or or whatever it is, and just keep you know,

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Speaker 2: burrowing down and you know, and then also, I mean

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Speaker 2: not to be too It is also still entertainment, so

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Speaker 2: you're still trying to figure out how to entertain.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what I do.

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Speaker 1: Yep. Well you're excelling at it.

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Speaker 4: Well, thank you. Yeah, but if you have a comedy,

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Speaker 4: send it.

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Speaker 2: I will.

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Speaker 1: So rescued by faith.

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Speaker 3: The Connie and Larry van Ustin story is on Lifetime

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Speaker 3: and you can watch it now. And thank you so much, Nancy,

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Speaker 3: it was really a pleasure talking with you.

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Speaker 4: Likewise,