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Speaker 1: On the Bedel Cast, the questions asked if movies have

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Speaker 1: best start changing it with the Bechdel Cast. Hello, and

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Speaker 1: welcome to the Bechdel Cast. My name is now you

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Speaker 1: keep talking, I'll be I'll do them. My name is Durante,

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Speaker 1: Caitlin Durante. I'm Jamie, but James, Jamie Jamie loftus. Also

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Speaker 1: at the beginning of the movie is fun and then

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Speaker 1: it's so long. Oh, welcome, This is the Bechdel Cast.

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Speaker 1: It sure is. And what do we do here? What?

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Speaker 1: What are we doing? Well? Uh, this is a podcast

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Speaker 1: about the role that women play in famous movies, whether

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Speaker 1: they be main sidekicks from fatales or sacrificial lance. Hey. Yes,

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Speaker 1: So we use the Bechtel test as a jumping off

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Speaker 1: point to initiate a conversation about the representation of women

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Speaker 1: in movies and the Bechtel test. If you're not familiar

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Speaker 1: two female identifying characters, they should have names. Come on

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Speaker 1: first of all, okay, they should be in the movie together,

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Speaker 1: they should talk to each other, and they shouldn't talk

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Speaker 1: about a man, especially if batman is James, I like

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Speaker 1: to call him Jimmy Bond. I was, I kept rearing

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Speaker 1: down Jimmy be Jimmy Bobo. And then for our for

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Speaker 1: our purposes, it's just has to be a two line

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Speaker 1: exchange between two women. And uh, we'll find out her

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Speaker 1: on if this movie past we have picked perhaps it's

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Speaker 1: it's kind of interesting that we it's taken us this

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Speaker 1: long to get to this franchise, notoriously toxic franchise that

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Speaker 1: I'm excited to talk about. I know nothing about Jimmy Bobo,

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Speaker 1: certainly is. With that much further ado, let's introduce our guests,

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Speaker 1: shall we. Let's do it. She is a New York comedian.

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Speaker 1: Ever heard of it? So sorry, um, you might have

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Speaker 1: seen her on laughs on Fox. She is the host

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Speaker 1: of the Love About Town podcast, and if you're a matron,

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Speaker 1: you might remember her from our Back to the Future episode.

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Speaker 1: It's Canis Mobley. I'm back. Sorry, it's really exciting. I

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Speaker 1: should have It's a It's Mobli Mobli. I just keep

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Speaker 1: doing that. I do it so many times, So what's

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Speaker 1: your relationship with this franchise? Okay, so we're doing Casino

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Speaker 1: Royale by the way, two thousand six. Okay, So when

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Speaker 1: I was a kid, I watched all of the Pierce

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Speaker 1: relationship to the entire country of Russia is very silly.

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Speaker 1: They have Alan Cumming playing a Russian do you remember that? Yes,

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Speaker 1: Alan Cumming is a Russian jerkrogrammer, hacker. Yes, perfect for him.

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Speaker 1: Golden Eye, Oh ship. I played the video game Golden Eye.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if I saw the movie. That's the

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Speaker 1: only video game I've played more than once. And I

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Speaker 1: I will funk with some Golden that sure. Sure. Oh

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Speaker 1: my god, I have to see Alan Cumming Villa like especially,

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Speaker 1: like everyone's doing the most, like none of the people

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Speaker 1: they I think Femka Jansen is not Russian, right, I

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Speaker 1: you guys mentioned that on another episode, I was like,

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Speaker 1: then he goes Thomas Crown Affair, which not a great

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Speaker 1: ones in this? And then I have seen every other one? Okay? Cool? Uh?

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Speaker 1: out to go do something about that, and then Vesper

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Speaker 1: gets kidnapped right then he goes after her. They're both

422
00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:51,600
Speaker 1: captured by like lachief goons and he tortures Bond by

423
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:55,359
Speaker 1: hitting him in the balls a lot and hard hard,

424
00:25:55,960 --> 00:26:03,320
Speaker 1: And did not see this kink ball play scene coming

425
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:05,760
Speaker 1: because he strips him down totally naked. It makes him

426
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:07,920
Speaker 1: sit on a chair without any like you could have

427
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,000
Speaker 1: left his shirt on for the purposes of this type

428
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:14,920
Speaker 1: of torture. But sure we need to see Jimmy Bee's nipples. Yeah,

429
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:18,200
Speaker 1: I mean I was, and I was thrilled. I was thrilled,

430
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:21,640
Speaker 1: But what a what a wild sexually charged scene. Because

431
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:24,640
Speaker 1: he's trying to get the password that Bond had entered

432
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:26,560
Speaker 1: so he can steal all the money back from him,

433
00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:29,120
Speaker 1: but Bond refuses, and then someone comes in and kills

434
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:33,359
Speaker 1: the sheet from leaves Bond in Vesper alive, so then

435
00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:36,359
Speaker 1: the money gets transferred to Bond. You know Vespers, like,

436
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:38,719
Speaker 1: I have the account number and you have the password,

437
00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:41,960
Speaker 1: and he reveals that the password was Vesper because he's

438
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:44,280
Speaker 1: in love with her, and they're in love now. She

439
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:47,119
Speaker 1: took way too long to recognize that it was her name.

440
00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:50,639
Speaker 1: It's like a six letter thing and he's like v

441
00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:54,199
Speaker 1: E and it isn't until Pe where she's like, oh,

442
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:58,240
Speaker 1: it was like perfectly my fame. What do you want?

443
00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:02,520
Speaker 1: You know? And also she starts loving him for no reason.

444
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:05,119
Speaker 1: But suddenly they're in love, or at least I guess

445
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:08,160
Speaker 1: she's pretending. I don't know. But they go on holiday

446
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:10,760
Speaker 1: in Europe and they're riding around on a boat and

447
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:18,920
Speaker 1: he is there's Wifia Penis recovered there. There's a scene

448
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:21,919
Speaker 1: where she literally weeps, like even if it's just a figure.

449
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:29,080
Speaker 1: He's like, oh, yeah, hey, babes, got still. And then

450
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:31,720
Speaker 1: he decides to quit being a spy because he loves

451
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:35,320
Speaker 1: her so much. He like emails M with his resignation

452
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:38,240
Speaker 1: letter from a boat that apparently has WiFi anyway, But

453
00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:40,760
Speaker 1: then he's like, wait, something is wrong and the money

454
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:43,040
Speaker 1: is not in the account that it's supposed to be in,

455
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 1: and he realizes that Vesper stole it, so he goes

456
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:50,159
Speaker 1: after her. There's a big fight, a building collapses into

457
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:55,520
Speaker 1: the sea, and then she lets herself drown and die.

458
00:27:56,040 --> 00:28:00,160
Speaker 1: What I'm not sure and then M is like, oh,

459
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:05,040
Speaker 1: she was being blackmailed by the Sheef's people who kidnapped

460
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:08,439
Speaker 1: her boyfriend, so that's why she betrayed Bond. This is

461
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 1: all delivered so last minute, and like Judy Dench says

462
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:16,520
Speaker 1: it all in one Brand're like what She's like, hey,

463
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 1: bt debs, we found out this person that we were

464
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:21,119
Speaker 1: working like, that was working for us has been against

465
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:24,879
Speaker 1: us this whole time, is completely compromised, Like this is

466
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:28,040
Speaker 1: her dating, Like the amount they were able to discover

467
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:32,520
Speaker 1: so quickly, it was very obvious. And then yeah, and

468
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:35,240
Speaker 1: then like Judy den just like, yeah, bummer, we didn't

469
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:40,120
Speaker 1: figure that out earlier anyways, That's how I guess, but

470
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:43,480
Speaker 1: we were. She starts off as being so thorough and

471
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:46,240
Speaker 1: then it's like, well, Eva Greenstead should have seen it coming,

472
00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:48,400
Speaker 1: didn't he coming? What are you gonna do? Come back

473
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:52,160
Speaker 1: to work maybe? And he's like okay, And somehow this

474
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 1: is the easiest Daniel Craig Bond movie to follow, because

475
00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 1: I would like the Quantum of Solace Inspector are unfollowable.

476
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 1: Scotty follow is pretty easy too, but like you're just like, what, Yeah,

477
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:06,920
Speaker 1: we need to take a quick break, but we will

478
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:20,040
Speaker 1: come right back in a second. We're back here we are,

479
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:24,240
Speaker 1: I think that was a good transition bag. All right,

480
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:27,880
Speaker 1: where do we we're to be in We're too? I mean, well,

481
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:31,080
Speaker 1: I want to because you both have far more experience

482
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 1: with this franchise as a whole than me. I wanted

483
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:38,720
Speaker 1: to talk about the concept of a bond girl in general,

484
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 1: because it seems like Eva Green is one of the

485
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:48,120
Speaker 1: bond girls that is treated slightly better than a lot

486
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:50,120
Speaker 1: of other women in the franchise, and I was I

487
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:52,160
Speaker 1: did some reading about this, but I was curious about

488
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:57,480
Speaker 1: your impressions on Vesper. I like that she at least

489
00:29:57,480 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 1: has an active role. Like in a lot of the

490
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 1: pierres bras and ones, it's a woman who like, Hey,

491
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:04,520
Speaker 1: I was going about my life, living it and somehow

492
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:08,880
Speaker 1: I'm tied up in this international intrigue and oh no,

493
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 1: someone's trying to kill me and I have no preparation

494
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 1: for this, and I just run around and scream a lot. Yeah,

495
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 1: so thankfully this isn't I mean, she does do her

496
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 1: fair amount of screaming, but at least she's like a

497
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:20,480
Speaker 1: reason to be there and some sort of training, and

498
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 1: she gets to make some decisions even though they're immediately overridden.

499
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 1: So right, Yeah, it's weird because she does. She participates

500
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:31,640
Speaker 1: in the narrative more than I expected, just like with

501
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:34,520
Speaker 1: the reputation of the James Bond franchise, but it's still

502
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 1: so like she participates in that fight where James Bond

503
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:41,320
Speaker 1: kills two men in front of her, but she only

504
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:43,720
Speaker 1: only for like a second. She like gets the gun

505
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:47,800
Speaker 1: out of his hand and that's it. Or she prevents

506
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:51,280
Speaker 1: James Bond from being poisoned, but then two seconds later

507
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:53,960
Speaker 1: she's kidnapped and like, yeah, like it's like you're saying

508
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:56,960
Speaker 1: her most of the stuff she contributes is overwritten right away,

509
00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 1: and she's mostly just like James Bond, you're not as

510
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:01,440
Speaker 1: cool as you are, and then he does something that

511
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:03,480
Speaker 1: proves that he's that cool, and you're like, okay, really,

512
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 1: so you're just you're just saying she's wrong. That's the

513
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 1: whole Okay. I would argue that her involvement in the

514
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 1: story doesn't make that much sense because the position that

515
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 1: she's put in is like the representative of the treasury

516
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:19,920
Speaker 1: that's fronting the money, like as we already kind of

517
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:23,720
Speaker 1: hinted at, like she has no like spy training. The

518
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 1: fact that she's thrown into this undercovermas as a spy. Yeah,

519
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:33,680
Speaker 1: and you know when they saw this, she's twenty six. Yeah,

520
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:36,680
Speaker 1: there's there's a twelve year age gap with the age gap.

521
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 1: It's sad that I'm like, that was less of an

522
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 1: age gap than I thought. But twelve year age gap

523
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 1: between these actors just for for curious listeners. Yeah, So

524
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:50,920
Speaker 1: she's thrust in the story in this like spy role

525
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:55,840
Speaker 1: that she has no training for. She's an accountant. But

526
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 1: it's clear that the whoever crafted this story was like, well,

527
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:01,960
Speaker 1: we you know, a woman there to keep being there

528
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 1: so that he has someone to kiss. So like, oh,

529
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 1: we'll just take this treasury woman, but like her role

530
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 1: as like a representative of the treasury and then her

531
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:14,040
Speaker 1: ongoing role based on that, Like that doesn't make sense,

532
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 1: but they're just like, well, we need this beautiful woman here,

533
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 1: so let's keep her, you know, keep her around. From

534
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:20,480
Speaker 1: what I know, and I'm sure that James Bond fans

535
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 1: are going to slide into our mentions for this episode.

536
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 1: It's inevitable. I'm still traumatized from Lord of the Rings,

537
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 1: but I believe that Casino Royale. This is adapted from

538
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 1: one of the first, if not the first James Bond

539
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 1: stories ever written, And I don't know how closely. I know,

540
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:41,240
Speaker 1: like all the main players that are in this movie

541
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:43,480
Speaker 1: are included in that story, but I don't know how

542
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 1: far this deviates from the Ian Fleming original. This movie

543
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:52,720
Speaker 1: had also previously been adapted in the sixties too. I

544
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:57,200
Speaker 1: think there's another royale based on based on the novel?

545
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 1: Is that a Connery one? Do we know? I don't.

546
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 1: I'll fact check it really quick. Just nixt seven David

547
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 1: Niven the first James Bond Okay, Yeah, there's there's a

548
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 1: there's a few Bonds that were only in like one

549
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 1: or two movies, and the Sellers is in it. Okay,

550
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:19,840
Speaker 1: So in the original one at Ursula Andrews plays Ves

551
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 1: Berlin and David Niven plays Sir James bond Um in

552
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 1: the seven one, so also, and it is cassing around

553
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:35,760
Speaker 1: the first James Bond novel, first Ian Fleming novel, however, yeah, okay,

554
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:38,840
Speaker 1: but not the first Bond movie, because there had been

555
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:42,240
Speaker 1: a few before that, I believe in the earlier sixties.

556
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter. I had a little bit of did

557
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:50,040
Speaker 1: a little bit of research about the history of Bond girls.

558
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 1: They do tend to fall into three categories main side kick,

559
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 1: from fatale, sacrificial lamb, all three of which are like

560
00:33:56,760 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 1: not every story has all three casino royal us. According

561
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 1: to this, the main sidekick would be of Usperlind, the

562
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 1: fem fatal would be Volenka uh, and the sacrificial lamb

563
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 1: would be uh. Solange Demetrios, the wife who was the

564
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:22,279
Speaker 1: fem fatale Valenka who poisons him. Yeah, his girlfriend. She

565
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:26,239
Speaker 1: makes a mean face while she someone. So these are

566
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 1: the three main categories of Bond girl. Apparently it's Ian Fleming,

567
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:39,319
Speaker 1: who seems generally pretty, pretty, gross and misogynistum, but he

568
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 1: says that the inspiration for all of the Bond girls

569
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:46,000
Speaker 1: that appear in the franchise ever are based around this

570
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:50,840
Speaker 1: woman named Muriel Wright, who she met when she was

571
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:54,799
Speaker 1: twenty six and he was not twenty six. Um. She

572
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 1: was an independently wealthy model who was devoted to Fleming

573
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:03,200
Speaker 1: to spite his repeated unfaithfulness, and then she died in

574
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 1: an air raid. And so then Ian Fleming was like,

575
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 1: I'll honor her memory by being rude to women until

576
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:15,440
Speaker 1: I die, right, Because if we break down those three

577
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 1: Bond girl roles it's a woman who has to die

578
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:25,239
Speaker 1: to further the plot. It's a woman who doesn't really

579
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:28,280
Speaker 1: get her own story. She's just attached to the male heroes.

580
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:34,319
Speaker 1: Or it is an evil, devious woman because women being

581
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 1: manipulative and like not just that, but like the using

582
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:41,439
Speaker 1: her sexuality for evil. Yeah, and there's there's a few

583
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 1: other like tropes of the Bond girl that, and there's

584
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 1: so many that no one character like there's no complete

585
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 1: through lines. But several Bond girls have obvious sidnes of

586
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:56,840
Speaker 1: inner turmoil, and others have traumatic pasts. Uh, several have

587
00:35:57,040 --> 00:36:01,279
Speaker 1: unhappy sexual backgrounds that we know about. So Rolled Dahl

588
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:06,920
Speaker 1: wrote the screenplay to Charlie and the Chocolate Factory you

589
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:11,719
Speaker 1: only liked twice, Okay, all these nine seventies like children's

590
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:13,799
Speaker 1: authors like shelslo Verstein and Rolled all there out there

591
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:17,239
Speaker 1: doing pervy, weird stuff on the side. So he wrote this.

592
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 1: But he said that when he was writing that screenplay,

593
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:23,080
Speaker 1: he was explicitly told he was advised to use three

594
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 1: Bond girls. The first should die preferably in Bond's arms

595
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 1: early in the movie. The second a villain whom Bond

596
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:33,280
Speaker 1: seduces before she dies in an unusual and gory way

597
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:36,840
Speaker 1: midway through the movie, and the third who survives until

598
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:39,800
Speaker 1: the end of the film. So this is like baked

599
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 1: into the formula to the point where they would just

600
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 1: tell a writer like, these three things should happen. I mean,

601
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:48,719
Speaker 1: we're just looking around the room of the three of us, like,

602
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 1: obviously one of us is a film fatale, obviously, one

603
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:53,319
Speaker 1: of us is a sacrificial lamb, and one of us

604
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 1: is uh, the sidekick the three categories of women. Like

605
00:36:56,440 --> 00:37:00,160
Speaker 1: so it actually lines very well, actually very accurate. It

606
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:02,919
Speaker 1: for women. Yeah, I mean that's where we've all been

607
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:06,880
Speaker 1: at one point. We've all been all of these Wow,

608
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:10,920
Speaker 1: because women contain multitude. Oh my god, can we talk

609
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:14,239
Speaker 1: about the sacrificial lamb first? I guess okay, I have

610
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 1: I take a lot of notes. I was in a

611
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:22,480
Speaker 1: Starbucks in Culver City yesterday just going nuts, like wow, wow.

612
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:27,799
Speaker 1: All of my lines begin with okay, well because like

613
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 1: even okay, we first see her. She's riding on a

614
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:32,759
Speaker 1: horse on the beach, and the people on the beach

615
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 1: are happy to see this, and I'm like, that is

616
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 1: fucking disgusting. There's poop everywhere, and they have these three

617
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:41,280
Speaker 1: random black kids who were just like smiling and running

618
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:44,239
Speaker 1: after Yeah, they do like a close up of these

619
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:47,920
Speaker 1: smiling black kids face and I'm like, for what, oh

620
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:51,400
Speaker 1: black people co sign So it's like posensual and meaningful.

621
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:55,839
Speaker 1: It's very I was so so dumb. And then are

622
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 1: supposed to believe that she's like this poorly treated put

623
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:00,959
Speaker 1: upon woman because she goes into the casino. She hugs

624
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:03,880
Speaker 1: Demetrius and he's like, you're two hours late, and then

625
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 1: she looks at James Bond like, see how I'm treated.

626
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 1: But if you were two hours late to a date

627
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 1: with me, I'm sorry. I have the right to be mad.

628
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:13,920
Speaker 1: I'd be like, you're two hours late? And then she

629
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:16,760
Speaker 1: was like, oh, sorry, I was out on a horse. Yeah,

630
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 1: so that's why I'm curious. I was like you why, No,

631
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:24,840
Speaker 1: you're the jerk in this scenario, and Bond says he

632
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:28,359
Speaker 1: negs her outside of the car. He's like because she's like, oh,

633
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:29,759
Speaker 1: I don't go home with strange men, and he's like,

634
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:31,960
Speaker 1: maybe you're just out of practice where it's like I

635
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 1: shouldn't have to prove it. I fuck I'm married right

636
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:38,040
Speaker 1: this So much of the Bushey test can be applied

637
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 1: to this movie. If if Steve says that to a

638
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:45,480
Speaker 1: woman outside of a car, even if he has an

639
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 1: aston Martin, She's still like, yeah, yeah. If Steve Buschevy says,

640
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:54,799
Speaker 1: have you gone home with a strange man? Reason, they

641
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:57,719
Speaker 1: exchanged maybe like six lines of dialogue, and she gets

642
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:00,319
Speaker 1: into this stranger's car, and I was like, I know

643
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:02,560
Speaker 1: what happens start like I've seen this movie before, and

644
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 1: I feel less bad because she's clearly not protect like

645
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:11,040
Speaker 1: she's random strangers anybody. She's also this like you know,

646
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 1: exotic beauty with this yes European x, like an Italian

647
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:20,960
Speaker 1: accent kind of thing. And yeah, it's like Daniel Craig

648
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 1: is ugly hot, Okay, he's like he's a category of men.

649
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:26,480
Speaker 1: He is ugly. I'm into it. It's definitely my type.

650
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 1: But to act like this woman who is clearly with

651
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 1: some sort of millionaire man who lives on a fucking beach,

652
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:34,759
Speaker 1: is going to be like, oh, box or face over here,

653
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:39,839
Speaker 1: that's who I wanted to get with, Like what like

654
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:42,560
Speaker 1: she would have been fucking a bell boy so long ago.

655
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 1: I have so many issues that absolutely not I mean

656
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:48,440
Speaker 1: just like the whole building and I know it's like

657
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:50,880
Speaker 1: so baked into his character. But the idea that James Bond,

658
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:54,960
Speaker 1: regardless of which actors playing him, is just inherently irresistible

659
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:57,840
Speaker 1: to all women because it's like even his smaller interactions

660
00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:00,720
Speaker 1: with women, because he, you know, flir with a number

661
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 1: of like secretaries and sieragees and they're all like, yes,

662
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:07,319
Speaker 1: like you wouldn't do that to any random daddy off

663
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:11,440
Speaker 1: the street, which is ultimately he's like an upper scale,

664
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:16,920
Speaker 1: good looking dad. You wouldn't like that. The receptionist at

665
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:19,719
Speaker 1: that the hotel or whatever in the Bahamas is like

666
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:23,080
Speaker 1: fucking him with her eyes, and I'm like, why she

667
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:27,480
Speaker 1: has to change her pants. Yeah, she's like you a man,

668
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:31,400
Speaker 1: a regular ass looking dude. Oh my god. Also, they

669
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:34,320
Speaker 1: this is a pet peep of mine in this movie.

670
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:37,399
Speaker 1: Outside of the concierge lady, none of the people who

671
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 1: work for this hotel are white. And then so the

672
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:42,320
Speaker 1: idea that this like James Bond, is going to be

673
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 1: just tying issue and someone's gonna be like hey you,

674
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:47,360
Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh no, they would have been like

675
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:49,839
Speaker 1: where's the black person that park start like it just

676
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 1: it drove me insane. But I do look forward to

677
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:54,880
Speaker 1: a future when white people are also accused of working

678
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:59,319
Speaker 1: wherever they happened to be. I was like progress, but

679
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 1: what no, oh my god, and this I mean, this

680
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:05,279
Speaker 1: is on topic for what you were just saying. But

681
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 1: like the way that Africans are treated in this movie, yeah,

682
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:14,160
Speaker 1: is because you see scenes in Uganda and in Madagascar,

683
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:17,960
Speaker 1: and it can tell the difference because in Uganda the

684
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:21,760
Speaker 1: black people are very shiny and sweaty, and in Madagascar

685
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 1: they are dusty, and that means we are in a

686
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:28,239
Speaker 1: different place. Yes, it's raining in one place and not

687
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 1: in the other. I feel like this is very common

688
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:33,400
Speaker 1: of a lot of movies, especially of this genre. But

689
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:37,600
Speaker 1: if you see Africans, they are all like militant militia,

690
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:43,720
Speaker 1: like money power grubbing, like just violent people and largely

691
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:47,359
Speaker 1: used as scenery. Yeah, like when they like they follow

692
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:49,279
Speaker 1: a little black kids running around and it's like, hey,

693
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:52,920
Speaker 1: you know, exotic, It's like And then the in the

694
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 1: scene where James Bond kills those two guys in the stairwell,

695
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:59,040
Speaker 1: one of them is fighting with a machete, and I

696
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:02,240
Speaker 1: find that, like, I wish they would stop making Africans

697
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 1: fight with machetes, like act like these people have weapons yeah,

698
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 1: but they're like, no, no, no, never mind, what is

699
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:11,080
Speaker 1: the culturally appropriate thing that I should have because he's

700
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:17,359
Speaker 1: wearing like a three piece where he only brought so

701
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:20,520
Speaker 1: infuriated because he well, he had the machete because he

702
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:23,279
Speaker 1: was going to chop off a woman's arm because you know,

703
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:29,360
Speaker 1: it was impractical, No one would ever bring a machete

704
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 1: to I mean, but I mean it's the suggestion that, like,

705
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:34,839
Speaker 1: these people are so primitive that they are gonna they're

706
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 1: gonna chop off limbs. And it's like, well, and also

707
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:40,800
Speaker 1: like right before that fight, when they capture the f

708
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:43,840
Speaker 1: fatal girlfriend, it's like that is such an old image

709
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:47,400
Speaker 1: of like black men taking these virginal white girls, and like,

710
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:50,960
Speaker 1: oh no, James Bond has to rescue this virginal white

711
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:54,239
Speaker 1: girl who later tries to kill him. Uh, and then

712
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:57,719
Speaker 1: he murders two black men and it's fine because he

713
00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:00,719
Speaker 1: sucks their blood off of Eva Green's fingers. Hated that

714
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 1: when they're ruining very expensive clothes and he's like he

715
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:08,279
Speaker 1: sits down next to he puts his arm around her.

716
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:10,960
Speaker 1: Did she ask her that? Whatever? Okay? But then he's like, oh,

717
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:13,400
Speaker 1: like I'll make it better and he sucks on her

718
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:17,640
Speaker 1: figures and then he says better and she's like, yeah,

719
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:21,839
Speaker 1: she's like rocking back and forth, like having a like

720
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 1: a fit. And then he was just like, let me

721
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 1: just look, she was having a full on. I mean,

722
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:28,480
Speaker 1: but to be fair, that was one of the only

723
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:30,279
Speaker 1: reactions in the movie that made sense. I'm like, she

724
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:33,200
Speaker 1: is an accountant. She did not sign up to watch

725
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:36,959
Speaker 1: two men die by someone she doesn't know. That well,

726
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 1: like it's oh god, we're all over the back, back

727
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:44,560
Speaker 1: to solanch Um. I just yeah, that character, she's not

728
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:47,439
Speaker 1: around for very long um, and then how does she die?

729
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:51,239
Speaker 1: So here's what happens. Basically, Bond uses her to get

730
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 1: information from her on her husband, which she knows. She mentions,

731
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 1: and then they're dry humping on the floor in another

732
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 1: very two thousand six stress. Yeah, that's like that weird

733
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:08,400
Speaker 1: sort of sat team not sat in exactly, but like

734
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:11,920
Speaker 1: this shiny thing that hang on you. I guess if

735
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:16,799
Speaker 1: it gets wet, it's ruined forever. So he invites her

736
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:20,160
Speaker 1: to his room. She, for reasons that don't make any sense,

737
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 1: agrees to it. I guess because it's implied. Yeah, she's

738
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:26,799
Speaker 1: like this horny housewife whose husband doesn't love her enough

739
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 1: for something, and then he uses her and then like

740
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:35,160
Speaker 1: orders some champagne and caviare for her, and then she

741
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:42,160
Speaker 1: didn't just like while she goes to the bathroom, he's like, yeah, chip, okay, cool,

742
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:46,280
Speaker 1: Wait what no for one? Just for one? And yeah.

743
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 1: She's also I don't know like what background it's implied

744
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:51,160
Speaker 1: that she's from, but I felt like she was like

745
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:55,720
Speaker 1: pretty exoticized. Yeah, like the way her character was treated,

746
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 1: like she just can't help herself, she has to have

747
00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:02,400
Speaker 1: sex with and there's that whole this exchange to m

748
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:05,360
Speaker 1: P laugh where it's just so like James Bond cheesy

749
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:08,040
Speaker 1: or she's like, I had so many chances to be happy,

750
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:11,480
Speaker 1: so many nice guys. We can't nice guys be more

751
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:15,800
Speaker 1: like you, and then he says because then they'd be bad.

752
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:22,239
Speaker 1: I was like he went there. And then so the

753
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:24,800
Speaker 1: next scene we see her in she is a dead body.

754
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:28,279
Speaker 1: She's dead in a hammock, like tangled up in a

755
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:31,920
Speaker 1: hammock because Lachief's people had her killed for talking to

756
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 1: Bond and giving him any information. I think it was

757
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 1: Lash's people. It's hard to tell. There seems to be

758
00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:39,439
Speaker 1: a lot of bad guys in this movie. It's so cool.

759
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:41,080
Speaker 1: And it's like the fact that in two thousand and

760
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:43,080
Speaker 1: six they're like, no, that's still has to be a

761
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:45,400
Speaker 1: core element of these stories. There's so many ways he

762
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:48,799
Speaker 1: could have gotten that information. Uh, woman didn't need to

763
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 1: die for it, right, he is a spy, like he

764
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 1: can't just follow the guy around. The fact that he

765
00:45:55,960 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 1: used aren't horny. He Yeah, he uses a woman to

766
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 1: get information that he easily could have gotten somewhere else,

767
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:06,600
Speaker 1: and based on his personal history, he should be more

768
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:10,320
Speaker 1: concerned for her safety. Right, If a woman you've slept

769
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:13,359
Speaker 1: with dies, you should figure that out. Well, I mean

770
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:19,800
Speaker 1: you he sees women as being disposable. So, um, we

771
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:21,799
Speaker 1: got to take another quick break, but we'll come back

772
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:37,920
Speaker 1: and talk about more of the ladies. Do do darn No,

773
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 1: that's still right. Yeah, I keep being really nervous. I'm

774
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:43,799
Speaker 1: going to slip into Mission impossible accident that I was

775
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:45,319
Speaker 1: so afraid when we started. I was like, oh no,

776
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 1: it's the wrong one. I mean it's confusing. Also, they

777
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:52,279
Speaker 1: work for m I six not to be confused with

778
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 1: Mission Impossible six. Oh yeah, God, there's such a different

779
00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:01,360
Speaker 1: movie where what if they had really just jumped the

780
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:03,840
Speaker 1: Shark with a Daniel Craig franchise, and they're like, no,

781
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:08,000
Speaker 1: his dick gets cut off, and now we've got Eunich

782
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:12,319
Speaker 1: Jimmy Bobo out here navigating the world without a penis

783
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:18,800
Speaker 1: probably being a way better. He can hack into EM's

784
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:22,360
Speaker 1: house and computer. He clearly has access to all of

785
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 1: these things. He does not need to funk these women

786
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:27,000
Speaker 1: to get this. His dick is really what's holding him

787
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:30,359
Speaker 1: back for being an exceptional spot And honestly, I think

788
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:34,399
Speaker 1: that's true of a lot of people. If we could

789
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:36,799
Speaker 1: just get like, not all the dicks. I'm not crazy like,

790
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:40,080
Speaker 1: but sure some of the dicks would help people achieve

791
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:43,720
Speaker 1: their full ste more clarity, I mean horny nous in general.

792
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:48,680
Speaker 1: If people were less horny, imagine what we could More

793
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:53,000
Speaker 1: people need to be neutered. This is platform like for

794
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:57,440
Speaker 1: a less horny future. Please elect me. I think I

795
00:47:57,480 --> 00:48:00,080
Speaker 1: think the biggest flaw of this movie is the it

796
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:04,200
Speaker 1: Q is not present, and Q, of course is his

797
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:07,279
Speaker 1: friend who comes in later who makes like gadgets and

798
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:10,600
Speaker 1: stuff for him, who is played by Ben Wish Show

799
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:16,080
Speaker 1: a k a. Paddington. So he's got like flopsy hair.

800
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:20,719
Speaker 1: He's looking cute. He's like every guy I dated in

801
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:26,440
Speaker 1: grad school. It's perfect, thinner than me. But I have

802
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:30,280
Speaker 1: to live with that in my brain. It's so moving

803
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:34,520
Speaker 1: on to them. Fatale. We don't know that much about her,

804
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:37,200
Speaker 1: including her name. I don't do we even ever learn

805
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:40,080
Speaker 1: her name on the screen. I don't think so. And

806
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:43,640
Speaker 1: she's credited as being named Volenka, but I'm assuming that's

807
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:46,000
Speaker 1: because she has a name in the book, Okay, because

808
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:48,279
Speaker 1: I don't think we ever hear it on screen. She

809
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:50,480
Speaker 1: is the first time you see a woman on screen

810
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:52,920
Speaker 1: in the whole movie. I believe it's around nineteen minutes

811
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:57,800
Speaker 1: into the Yeah, she's like there's like a male gaze

812
00:48:57,880 --> 00:48:59,919
Speaker 1: shot where she's like she's popped out of the water.

813
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 1: She's wearing a she's drenched, and then she climbs onto

814
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:07,560
Speaker 1: this yacht and then she like walks through a poker

815
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:10,120
Speaker 1: game and then a number of times people walk through

816
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:12,960
Speaker 1: poker games like that's cool. Is insane to me? Like

817
00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:16,080
Speaker 1: it's so soaking wet there, this is a mega yat. Okay,

818
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:18,680
Speaker 1: you could go to another floor. You don't have to

819
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:21,480
Speaker 1: do this in front of everyone, like so, and her

820
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:24,920
Speaker 1: crossing that room just starts out a scene of that

821
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 1: poker We could just cut straight to the poker game.

822
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:30,319
Speaker 1: We don't need to see a woman getting out of

823
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:33,719
Speaker 1: the water and then like toweling off as like. But

824
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:35,919
Speaker 1: it's just like we haven't had a James Bond movie

825
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:39,480
Speaker 1: in four years. People forget what the kinis are, they

826
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:44,239
Speaker 1: forget what objectification feels like, and we have to remind them. Yeah,

827
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:47,000
Speaker 1: I don't know. And then she's later there's that moment

828
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:50,120
Speaker 1: with the two men that James Bond eventually kills, who

829
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:52,839
Speaker 1: I don't think her named either. Are they the two

830
00:49:53,000 --> 00:50:00,600
Speaker 1: African Machean not Machell. She's like captured by them, and

831
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:02,239
Speaker 1: we're supposed to be like, we have to say this

832
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:05,120
Speaker 1: virginal white girl. But then it turns out the twist

833
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:10,040
Speaker 1: is women are bad and she tries to poison them

834
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:14,440
Speaker 1: and then she dies as well, doesn't she? Um, where

835
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:18,399
Speaker 1: does her story leave off? She's around? I think when

836
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:20,040
Speaker 1: they're like cutting a hole in the chair to put

837
00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:23,360
Speaker 1: James Bond in, I think, doesn't she leave lead vesper

838
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:26,160
Speaker 1: off into another room? Think? So, if she does die,

839
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:28,879
Speaker 1: it happens off screen, and it's implied that we don't

840
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:32,200
Speaker 1: really know for sure. But if she is with them

841
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:36,080
Speaker 1: as Vespers being tortured. It's implied that all the people

842
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:39,440
Speaker 1: except for Vesper get killed. So if she dies, it

843
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:42,440
Speaker 1: happens off screen, but you know, but she can assume

844
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:45,239
Speaker 1: that she might die. She's she's not even a particularly

845
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:48,240
Speaker 1: like interesting or good from Fatale, but she's there because

846
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:52,000
Speaker 1: she's only on screen for maybe a combined total of

847
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:54,960
Speaker 1: two minutes. Like she's hardly in them. She doesn't have

848
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:56,640
Speaker 1: any lot, Like she doesn't even get like a cool

849
00:50:56,680 --> 00:50:59,479
Speaker 1: catchphrase like no you got like vim k Jensen would

850
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:03,040
Speaker 1: like say like some nonsense after like pussy killing someone,

851
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:05,640
Speaker 1: Like she would say something cool and you're like, oh wow,

852
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:09,279
Speaker 1: that's what she's nut, Like there was something there, but

853
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:14,880
Speaker 1: this was just like she silently poisons people, right. I

854
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:17,319
Speaker 1: think she says one line like I'm sorry. She's she's

855
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:22,400
Speaker 1: classy classic. You get one line and it is you apologizing.

856
00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:26,560
Speaker 1: She's apologizing to the she because I guess she knew

857
00:51:26,680 --> 00:51:29,320
Speaker 1: the bad guys were there in the room, and because

858
00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:32,520
Speaker 1: like right after that they attack him. So I guess

859
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:35,440
Speaker 1: it's implied that she knew that they were about to

860
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:38,360
Speaker 1: attack him, or that she sold him out or something.

861
00:51:39,080 --> 00:51:42,120
Speaker 1: I don't quite know, but yeah, we see so little

862
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:44,359
Speaker 1: of her that it it's like I can't make heads

863
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:48,839
Speaker 1: tail because they always show her back. But she's there

864
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:51,000
Speaker 1: to be. I don't know, Like I mean, clearly this

865
00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:55,640
Speaker 1: franchise has never regard for women whatsoever. But like not,

866
00:51:56,280 --> 00:51:57,920
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess Vesper kind of ends up to

867
00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:01,040
Speaker 1: be a similar thing of like she's not what you thought.

868
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:04,400
Speaker 1: She's duplicitous and like she's you know, she's fooling you,

869
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:07,520
Speaker 1: she's lying to you. All the women are deceitful above

870
00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:10,120
Speaker 1: all because they want your money and they want your

871
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:12,319
Speaker 1: penis and I want to you know, like all this ship.

872
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:17,879
Speaker 1: Um so that's val So, just to recap, we see

873
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:22,560
Speaker 1: her sexualized, We see her being brutalized. She poisons our hero,

874
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:27,279
Speaker 1: and then it's implied that she dies. Yeah, which is

875
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:31,239
Speaker 1: very exact same thing Solange minus the poisoning. She is sexualised,

876
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:35,040
Speaker 1: she is brutal as she is murdered. Let's talk Vesper.

877
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:38,960
Speaker 1: She's not like the other girls that Vesper. She's kind

878
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:42,920
Speaker 1: of working for four years like she I'm sorry, it

879
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:45,080
Speaker 1: made me so mad when I found out that she

880
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:48,040
Speaker 1: was only twenty six, and I'm like the way he

881
00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:50,399
Speaker 1: negs her at the beginning where he's like, you wear

882
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:53,640
Speaker 1: managed clothes and you tried to act tough and that's

883
00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:56,600
Speaker 1: why you're not promoted. I like, like in the four

884
00:52:56,680 --> 00:53:01,239
Speaker 1: years since college, like she's already being put in charge

885
00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:05,440
Speaker 1: of ten million dollars. I think she's doing. Let's unpack

886
00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:07,720
Speaker 1: that scene where they made each other because there's so

887
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:11,040
Speaker 1: much of I wasn't expecting a scene like that. I

888
00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:14,879
Speaker 1: hated it. But um, from the reviews that I read

889
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:17,520
Speaker 1: at the time, this is supposed to be like it's

890
00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:20,480
Speaker 1: one of the only two times James Bond quote unquote

891
00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:22,799
Speaker 1: falls in love in any of the movies. Ever. I

892
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:25,719
Speaker 1: guess it happens in one other movie in the late sixties,

893
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:28,560
Speaker 1: but she is killed after they get married. Um, and

894
00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:31,600
Speaker 1: then he goes back to being an asshole. But this

895
00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:33,960
Speaker 1: is Vesper is the only other woman he like, actually

896
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:38,040
Speaker 1: falls in love with, and possibly it considers quitting the

897
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:42,320
Speaker 1: swinging dick lifestyle. So this is supposed to be like James,

898
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:46,319
Speaker 1: but Jimmy Boba finally meets his match and there's just

899
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:49,360
Speaker 1: like it's such corny dialogue where he's like, your beauty

900
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:52,000
Speaker 1: is a problem. You worry you won't be taken seriously,

901
00:53:52,239 --> 00:53:54,359
Speaker 1: and then she says which one could say if any

902
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:57,680
Speaker 1: woman would have a brain, and we're like, yes, queen.

903
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:01,560
Speaker 1: And then and then he's like true, he says like

904
00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:05,400
Speaker 1: you're saying, and he's overly masculine clothing, more aggressive than

905
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:07,560
Speaker 1: her female colleagues, which gives her a sort of prickly

906
00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:10,640
Speaker 1: demeanor and ironically enough, makes it less likely she'll be

907
00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:14,319
Speaker 1: respected and promoted by her male superiors, who mistake her

908
00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:18,399
Speaker 1: baits for arrogance, right, and then she looks at him

909
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:21,640
Speaker 1: like you've got me right, Oh, you're right. The fact

910
00:54:21,640 --> 00:54:26,520
Speaker 1: that I have any confidence is a game. Yeah. But

911
00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:28,719
Speaker 1: then she like turns it back on him because he's

912
00:54:28,719 --> 00:54:30,600
Speaker 1: this whole scene serves to be like, look how good

913
00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:32,920
Speaker 1: I am at poker. I'm so good at reading people.

914
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:35,360
Speaker 1: So he's like reading her, and then she turns it

915
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:37,400
Speaker 1: right back on him. She's like, well, you're an orphan

916
00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:41,600
Speaker 1: who wears suits that look like shit, yeah, which was

917
00:54:41,719 --> 00:54:46,040
Speaker 1: cool as saying you wear it. And then he looks

918
00:54:46,040 --> 00:54:49,200
Speaker 1: at her like, oh, perhaps Jimmy Bobo has met Tom.

919
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:51,719
Speaker 1: And then she's just like I'm not gonna suck you

920
00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:55,759
Speaker 1: nice ass though, and he's like thank you, just before that,

921
00:54:55,840 --> 00:54:58,960
Speaker 1: she says, she's like, am I sex looks for maladjusted

922
00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:01,439
Speaker 1: young man who give little to sacrificing others in order

923
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:03,560
Speaker 1: to protect queen and country. And then a little bit

924
00:55:03,640 --> 00:55:06,520
Speaker 1: later she says, you think of women as disposable pleasures

925
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:08,880
Speaker 1: rather than meaningful pursuits. I don't think women should be

926
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:13,040
Speaker 1: looked at his meaningful pursuits either. But but it's like

927
00:55:13,080 --> 00:55:14,799
Speaker 1: that was her line where I was like a heart

928
00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:18,239
Speaker 1: in the right place, right, But again, it feels this

929
00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:20,560
Speaker 1: is one of many examples as we see of like

930
00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:24,280
Speaker 1: the woman character who we're supposed to like saying something

931
00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:28,400
Speaker 1: that is vaguely feminist, but it feels so empty because

932
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:31,839
Speaker 1: of everything else that happens in the movie. So it's like,

933
00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:36,319
Speaker 1: because she's calling attention to him like his habitual mistreatment

934
00:55:36,360 --> 00:55:39,080
Speaker 1: of women, but then with kind of like a nod

935
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:43,839
Speaker 1: in a wink to this entire misogynist franchise. Remember how

936
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:48,040
Speaker 1: you used to literally punch women in the face, right,

937
00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:51,040
Speaker 1: But then the movie still treats women like ships, so

938
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:55,440
Speaker 1: it means something sneaky. And then she's like, yeah, you

939
00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:58,040
Speaker 1: have a hot ass though, yeah, and then he's like

940
00:55:58,200 --> 00:56:02,800
Speaker 1: thanks for noticing, and in the car ride to the hotel,

941
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:06,560
Speaker 1: they're talking about how they have adjoining rooms, and she's like,

942
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:08,560
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna have to worry about you and that

943
00:56:08,680 --> 00:56:10,719
Speaker 1: just like you're not gonna have to worry about him

944
00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:12,200
Speaker 1: coming into your room, and is that you have to

945
00:56:12,200 --> 00:56:14,759
Speaker 1: ask him to be again. It's like, you're not going

946
00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:18,880
Speaker 1: to rape me again. It's like she's an accountant, that

947
00:56:19,120 --> 00:56:21,960
Speaker 1: this is such a crazy concern for an accountant to have.

948
00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:25,160
Speaker 1: She's like, no, you're not my type, not that I'm

949
00:56:25,200 --> 00:56:28,080
Speaker 1: mora really opposed to going into your room. Your your

950
00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:32,560
Speaker 1: sting also gross. She goes smart and he goes single.

951
00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:37,400
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, so you're a bad person. I'm

952
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:41,640
Speaker 1: a bad person. I'm not a rapist, so um great, right,

953
00:56:41,719 --> 00:56:45,239
Speaker 1: And then because of this weird who who knows who

954
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:47,680
Speaker 1: made the choice that she has to go from being

955
00:56:47,719 --> 00:56:51,160
Speaker 1: an accountant to a spy who's undercover and in love

956
00:56:51,239 --> 00:56:53,120
Speaker 1: with him too, Like it has to be his hand

957
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:57,319
Speaker 1: because I was like, who would be the one to

958
00:56:57,360 --> 00:57:00,120
Speaker 1: make this call? Would it be judy? I don't I

959
00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:05,279
Speaker 1: guess whose jurisdiction? But that happens, and it's and we've

960
00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:08,640
Speaker 1: already discussed that that's ludicrous. But then he uses that

961
00:57:08,760 --> 00:57:12,800
Speaker 1: excuse to take a lot of liberties with her body, surprise,

962
00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:17,240
Speaker 1: kissing her, groping at her. She is like resisting a

963
00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:20,040
Speaker 1: lot of the time at first, and he's still just like,

964
00:57:20,120 --> 00:57:22,280
Speaker 1: we have to maintain this cover that you're in love

965
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:25,680
Speaker 1: with me immediately broke upon entering this hotel. What are

966
00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:29,040
Speaker 1: you talking about? Which is so not necessary? I mean

967
00:57:29,080 --> 00:57:32,160
Speaker 1: it's like just so not necessary to his success in

968
00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:36,720
Speaker 1: this poker game. Uh to, I'll be like forcing himself

969
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:39,560
Speaker 1: on this woman he just met. I guess the idea

970
00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:43,640
Speaker 1: is like, well, you're a woman who is attractive conventionally,

971
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:47,040
Speaker 1: so I'm gonna use you to distract the other players

972
00:57:47,240 --> 00:57:49,600
Speaker 1: so that I can win. And then it's like again

973
00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:52,000
Speaker 1: kind of like you're saying, Caitlin, there's like these empty

974
00:57:52,120 --> 00:57:55,240
Speaker 1: like well she has she's she's got his number two

975
00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:56,840
Speaker 1: where he brings in that dress. He's like, you're going

976
00:57:56,880 --> 00:57:59,240
Speaker 1: to wear this dressey're gonna kiss my neck? And then

977
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:04,840
Speaker 1: she's like, well, I got you a jacket dinner jacket, right,

978
00:58:05,520 --> 00:58:08,160
Speaker 1: And then that's like the empty like, oh no, she's

979
00:58:08,200 --> 00:58:14,200
Speaker 1: not powerless in this situation. She bought him a jacket, right.

980
00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:16,280
Speaker 1: But that's the thing with her character is that like

981
00:58:16,600 --> 00:58:19,439
Speaker 1: she yeah, she always has like a rebuttal or, she's like,

982
00:58:19,720 --> 00:58:22,560
Speaker 1: your jacket sucks. I sized you up the moment I

983
00:58:22,680 --> 00:58:25,400
Speaker 1: tell you. And the idea that the movie is putting

984
00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:28,959
Speaker 1: forward is that like, oh, he's met his match. All

985
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:33,160
Speaker 1: other women are lame and stupid, but she's not like

986
00:58:33,240 --> 00:58:35,760
Speaker 1: the other girls, and she can like match his wits

987
00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:37,920
Speaker 1: and his whole thing. I mean, they're all lame and stupid.

988
00:58:37,960 --> 00:58:40,960
Speaker 1: But you have to throw your dicket there. You have to,

989
00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:46,120
Speaker 1: you have to throw your body and launch it there.

990
00:58:46,360 --> 00:58:49,680
Speaker 1: And ultimately, with with her, it's it sucks because it's

991
00:58:49,680 --> 00:58:51,960
Speaker 1: just like with with these characters, even when you're given

992
00:58:51,960 --> 00:58:55,360
Speaker 1: this empty feminist like it reminded me of that thing

993
00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:57,000
Speaker 1: we talked about all the time, where like women in

994
00:58:57,040 --> 00:59:00,280
Speaker 1: action movies get to do one thing and everyone's like, wow,

995
00:59:00,360 --> 00:59:03,480
Speaker 1: look at her, go go girl power. But it's like

996
00:59:03,560 --> 00:59:07,240
Speaker 1: empty and means nothing, and it's just to like throw

997
00:59:07,320 --> 00:59:10,919
Speaker 1: the s j w's off. But we're not thrown off there.

998
00:59:12,360 --> 00:59:17,440
Speaker 1: But she like ultimately she has no motivation outside of

999
00:59:18,160 --> 00:59:21,880
Speaker 1: establishing a domestic life with James Bond because after all

1000
00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:25,400
Speaker 1: this stuff happens, she I mean, and it's like we

1001
00:59:25,480 --> 00:59:28,400
Speaker 1: find out she's a double agent, but we're led to

1002
00:59:28,440 --> 00:59:30,680
Speaker 1: believe like we don't know what her ambition in life is.

1003
00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:33,560
Speaker 1: It seems like she's got a pretty powerful job that

1004
00:59:33,640 --> 00:59:37,200
Speaker 1: she can apparently just leave. She to go on a

1005
00:59:37,240 --> 00:59:42,640
Speaker 1: boat in Venice, a high ranking money manager for England.

1006
00:59:42,640 --> 00:59:44,960
Speaker 1: But she's just like, no, you're gonna like be my

1007
00:59:45,120 --> 00:59:49,080
Speaker 1: basically be my husband, and you know, pulls him away

1008
00:59:49,200 --> 00:59:52,000
Speaker 1: and and takes on this nurturing role for him where

1009
00:59:52,040 --> 00:59:53,680
Speaker 1: there's a weird line where she was like, if you

1010
00:59:53,720 --> 00:59:57,640
Speaker 1: were just a smile and a little finger, I'd still

1011
00:59:57,720 --> 01:00:00,480
Speaker 1: fuck you. And it's like that it is looked up

1012
01:00:00,520 --> 01:00:03,480
Speaker 1: stuff like are you going to finger her with your

1013
01:00:03,520 --> 01:00:08,800
Speaker 1: pinky or like rub her? What do you? What do you?

1014
01:00:08,840 --> 01:00:15,240
Speaker 1: What do you do with a pinky face? Costically and

1015
01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:21,040
Speaker 1: they just um, But yeah, it's just she's ultimately like

1016
01:00:21,080 --> 01:00:23,520
Speaker 1: we don't know anything about her. The logistics of her

1017
01:00:23,560 --> 01:00:26,040
Speaker 1: character are paid. There's no attention. We don't know what

1018
01:00:26,080 --> 01:00:28,640
Speaker 1: she wants in life rather than to be hanging out

1019
01:00:28,680 --> 01:00:31,040
Speaker 1: with James Bond. Well, I would argue that she is

1020
01:00:31,080 --> 01:00:34,200
Speaker 1: all three things. She is also a fem fatale and

1021
01:00:34,280 --> 01:00:36,800
Speaker 1: also a sacrificial lamb, because I kill her because she

1022
01:00:36,960 --> 01:00:40,560
Speaker 1: sacrifices herself and by drowning herself in the elevator when

1023
01:00:41,880 --> 01:00:45,360
Speaker 1: that right, And she's a feen fatale because she like

1024
01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:49,400
Speaker 1: double crossed Bond and like sucks him over, So she's

1025
01:00:49,480 --> 01:00:52,520
Speaker 1: kind of like all three of those roles by the end.

1026
01:00:52,600 --> 01:00:55,040
Speaker 1: So it's because she's like that fem fatale type. We

1027
01:00:55,080 --> 01:00:58,400
Speaker 1: don't know like did she love him or was that

1028
01:00:58,480 --> 01:01:01,520
Speaker 1: just all part of like the news Yeah, and then

1029
01:01:01,560 --> 01:01:04,000
Speaker 1: it's like ultimately it's like a double punch in the

1030
01:01:04,040 --> 01:01:07,680
Speaker 1: stomach of it's then revealed that no, her real motivation

1031
01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:10,880
Speaker 1: was to save a different guy who you've never met

1032
01:01:11,200 --> 01:01:13,680
Speaker 1: and never will and we just needed to kill her

1033
01:01:13,800 --> 01:01:16,080
Speaker 1: or get rid of her because women never come back

1034
01:01:16,120 --> 01:01:19,200
Speaker 1: for a second movie, so she has to. And it's

1035
01:01:19,280 --> 01:01:22,680
Speaker 1: it looks like that's not like the Bond girl doesn't

1036
01:01:22,720 --> 01:01:25,760
Speaker 1: always die, but it's not out of the question because

1037
01:01:25,760 --> 01:01:29,760
Speaker 1: it's just canonically women don't come back, and Daniel Craig

1038
01:01:29,840 --> 01:01:32,320
Speaker 1: gets a million page We talked about that on the

1039
01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:35,400
Speaker 1: Mission Impossible episode too, so if you want more discussion

1040
01:01:35,480 --> 01:01:39,400
Speaker 1: on you know, disposable women, but the man keeps the

1041
01:01:40,080 --> 01:01:43,720
Speaker 1: corps of men get to keep coming back, but the ladies.

1042
01:01:43,960 --> 01:01:48,400
Speaker 1: You never see him again. Yeah, there's a scene where

1043
01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:52,880
Speaker 1: she's like coming on to him aggressively in like whatever hospital,

1044
01:01:53,040 --> 01:01:57,400
Speaker 1: like very fancy hospital's recovering in, Yeah, and he has

1045
01:01:57,440 --> 01:02:00,919
Speaker 1: a sexy hospital and he's like, oh, you used to

1046
01:02:01,000 --> 01:02:04,040
Speaker 1: hate me, And she's like, I'm afraid I'm a complicated woman.

1047
01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:08,400
Speaker 1: And he's like, oh, that is something to be afraid of. Okay,

1048
01:02:10,080 --> 01:02:14,760
Speaker 1: I'm tired. Um it's unfortant. I mean I feel like, yeah,

1049
01:02:14,840 --> 01:02:18,400
Speaker 1: for two thousand and six, I think that unfortunately, this

1050
01:02:18,520 --> 01:02:22,000
Speaker 1: was an attempt at a more empowered Bond girl. But

1051
01:02:22,080 --> 01:02:25,600
Speaker 1: I mean it's like but, but compared to the others,

1052
01:02:25,640 --> 01:02:28,960
Speaker 1: it's like they're like, look, he doesn't hit her, and

1053
01:02:29,080 --> 01:02:32,760
Speaker 1: he doesn't like treat her like she's the stupidest person

1054
01:02:32,840 --> 01:02:36,800
Speaker 1: in the world. So it's like unfortunately, and Bond heads

1055
01:02:37,120 --> 01:02:40,480
Speaker 1: leap into our swan dive into our mentions. It seems

1056
01:02:40,520 --> 01:02:45,800
Speaker 1: like for this particular like very toxic franchise, this would

1057
01:02:45,880 --> 01:02:50,760
Speaker 1: be progress, but they abandoned that because in the specter

1058
01:02:51,320 --> 01:02:54,080
Speaker 1: he's dating someone who's like twenty two years younger than like,

1059
01:02:55,040 --> 01:02:57,920
Speaker 1: because the whole movie I was like, oh, good, maybe

1060
01:02:58,000 --> 01:03:00,720
Speaker 1: either she'll find out that like that's her dad, or

1061
01:03:01,200 --> 01:03:03,280
Speaker 1: she's the daughter of someone who is very close to him.

1062
01:03:03,720 --> 01:03:05,640
Speaker 1: But yeah, and I'm like, there's no way they're gonna

1063
01:03:05,680 --> 01:03:08,720
Speaker 1: oh they Oh so they're gonna this? No, absolutely not.

1064
01:03:08,880 --> 01:03:11,560
Speaker 1: This is this is why Specter is the bottom one.

1065
01:03:11,560 --> 01:03:16,120
Speaker 1: It's not good. Oh gosh. Also, the mathist character is

1066
01:03:16,160 --> 01:03:19,360
Speaker 1: like constantly explaining to Vesper what's happening in the poker game.

1067
01:03:19,760 --> 01:03:24,480
Speaker 1: And that is obviously there because the audience, if you're

1068
01:03:24,520 --> 01:03:26,960
Speaker 1: not familiar with poker, like there needs to be like

1069
01:03:27,040 --> 01:03:30,160
Speaker 1: expository dialogue to be like, oh, here's what the bed

1070
01:03:30,280 --> 01:03:32,120
Speaker 1: is or here's how this is going to play out.

1071
01:03:32,600 --> 01:03:36,520
Speaker 1: But like, why not make Vesper the one who knows poker,

1072
01:03:36,600 --> 01:03:39,840
Speaker 1: who's the one who's like give her a thing? It

1073
01:03:39,920 --> 01:03:43,200
Speaker 1: makes sense. She's an accountant, she's a numbers person, Like

1074
01:03:43,720 --> 01:03:45,640
Speaker 1: it would make sense that she would know she might

1075
01:03:45,680 --> 01:03:47,600
Speaker 1: know poker, and that's why she would be able to

1076
01:03:47,640 --> 01:03:49,520
Speaker 1: say with authority, no, I'm not going to give you

1077
01:03:49,520 --> 01:03:52,120
Speaker 1: this additional five million dollars because I know how this

1078
01:03:52,200 --> 01:03:54,880
Speaker 1: should be played and I understand it, and you don't

1079
01:03:54,920 --> 01:03:56,840
Speaker 1: have the ability to carry this off, and I know

1080
01:03:57,040 --> 01:04:01,440
Speaker 1: that that would make her better, But no, she doesn't

1081
01:04:01,440 --> 01:04:03,920
Speaker 1: know anything, because women can't know anything. It's always the

1082
01:04:03,920 --> 01:04:06,200
Speaker 1: man who know the stuff. And the reason she denies

1083
01:04:06,280 --> 01:04:09,240
Speaker 1: him the money is connected to that same through line

1084
01:04:09,280 --> 01:04:12,200
Speaker 1: of just her being flippant towards James Bond, and that's

1085
01:04:12,200 --> 01:04:15,160
Speaker 1: how she's the match for him, because she won't give

1086
01:04:15,240 --> 01:04:17,680
Speaker 1: him whatever he wants right away. She will make him

1087
01:04:17,680 --> 01:04:20,880
Speaker 1: wait as many as two minutes to give him exactly

1088
01:04:20,920 --> 01:04:23,480
Speaker 1: what he wants. There's that scene where he's arguing with

1089
01:04:23,520 --> 01:04:26,000
Speaker 1: her and she's like, I'm not gonna you're a bloody

1090
01:04:26,080 --> 01:04:29,880
Speaker 1: arrogant way, and then he's like, you're a bloody idiot,

1091
01:04:30,160 --> 01:04:32,320
Speaker 1: screams at her for being an idiot because she won't

1092
01:04:32,360 --> 01:04:39,240
Speaker 1: give him money that he's constantly so it's very cool. Also,

1093
01:04:39,440 --> 01:04:42,680
Speaker 1: the men in this story are commenting on her looks constantly.

1094
01:04:42,840 --> 01:04:46,440
Speaker 1: I hate math this or whatever, like hey, he's like

1095
01:04:46,440 --> 01:04:48,560
Speaker 1: talking to James Bond like she isn't there for when

1096
01:04:48,560 --> 01:04:52,000
Speaker 1: they're having this introductory making and then he's like, oh,

1097
01:04:52,120 --> 01:04:54,400
Speaker 1: sometimes the mellane and he like touches her shoulder in

1098
01:04:54,400 --> 01:04:56,560
Speaker 1: this weird way and like clearly he's like, I'm straight

1099
01:04:56,600 --> 01:04:58,360
Speaker 1: up looking at your boobs right now. I'm not hiding

1100
01:04:58,400 --> 01:05:01,520
Speaker 1: it and I'm seeing your for tin man, I'm looking

1101
01:05:01,520 --> 01:05:03,480
Speaker 1: in his eyes letting him know that I'm looking at

1102
01:05:03,520 --> 01:05:07,800
Speaker 1: your It's like, right, crazy, Yeah, I would tell you

1103
01:05:07,800 --> 01:05:12,120
Speaker 1: you're beautiful. But everybody's still staring at you. And she's like, hey,

1104
01:05:12,560 --> 01:05:16,200
Speaker 1: you're there. This is their job. They're at work, and

1105
01:05:16,240 --> 01:05:21,720
Speaker 1: they're still just like You're like, that is not appropriate workplace.

1106
01:05:22,880 --> 01:05:24,880
Speaker 1: The last, the last thing I wanted to talk about

1107
01:05:24,920 --> 01:05:28,200
Speaker 1: was Judy Dench's character. This seems to be one of

1108
01:05:28,240 --> 01:05:31,320
Speaker 1: the only things this movie does that is like, I think,

1109
01:05:31,400 --> 01:05:34,760
Speaker 1: unequivocally right, because this was a character who's always played

1110
01:05:34,800 --> 01:05:37,919
Speaker 1: by a man who it's like, but now it's Judy Dench.

1111
01:05:38,280 --> 01:05:41,480
Speaker 1: I liked that a lot. Um I guess that m

1112
01:05:41,600 --> 01:05:47,960
Speaker 1: Jimmy Bobo's boss. Judie Bobo's Bobo was previously played by

1113
01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:52,000
Speaker 1: John Houston, David Niven, Edward Fox, Bernard Lee, Robert Brown,

1114
01:05:52,400 --> 01:05:59,960
Speaker 1: and Ralph Finds. Yeah, oh yeah, because a guy fall

1115
01:06:00,080 --> 01:06:03,920
Speaker 1: because you know, oh shit, I forgot Yeah, so's he's

1116
01:06:03,920 --> 01:06:06,160
Speaker 1: playing it now, but he's not in the mix at

1117
01:06:06,160 --> 01:06:09,520
Speaker 1: this time this time. But Judy Dinch was also m

1118
01:06:09,600 --> 01:06:14,160
Speaker 1: in some of the Pures Brosnan ones, so she's carried through. Yeah, okay,

1119
01:06:14,480 --> 01:06:16,760
Speaker 1: that part for me was cool. It's like she is,

1120
01:06:17,440 --> 01:06:19,720
Speaker 1: even though there's not a lot of things of substance

1121
01:06:19,720 --> 01:06:21,520
Speaker 1: that happens in the scene, she does know who caused

1122
01:06:21,560 --> 01:06:25,360
Speaker 1: nine eleven. She doesn't seem worried about it. It is

1123
01:06:25,400 --> 01:06:29,600
Speaker 1: not that important. But they never tell the American spy like, oh, hey,

1124
01:06:29,640 --> 01:06:33,240
Speaker 1: bet that thing that happened in your gut that's a

1125
01:06:33,280 --> 01:06:38,439
Speaker 1: long ago. I feel like you should know. They're still

1126
01:06:38,480 --> 01:06:42,160
Speaker 1: holding on to a grudge from years ago. They're like, yeah,

1127
01:06:42,160 --> 01:06:43,640
Speaker 1: we know who caused nine eleven, but we're not going

1128
01:06:43,720 --> 01:06:47,440
Speaker 1: to tell them. Here's my thing with m is that.

1129
01:06:47,880 --> 01:06:51,400
Speaker 1: So she assumes this kind of like trophy boss role

1130
01:06:51,480 --> 01:06:55,680
Speaker 1: where she's like this stiff by the book's boss who

1131
01:06:55,880 --> 01:06:59,720
Speaker 1: doesn't like our heroes methods because they're a little unorthodox.

1132
01:07:00,160 --> 01:07:03,840
Speaker 1: But then because he gets results, she's meant to look

1133
01:07:03,960 --> 01:07:07,000
Speaker 1: kind of like wrong and foolish for not believing in him.

1134
01:07:07,400 --> 01:07:10,000
Speaker 1: So she's like, oh, we have to do things by

1135
01:07:10,040 --> 01:07:12,080
Speaker 1: the rules, and he's like, no, I'm too cool for that.

1136
01:07:12,120 --> 01:07:14,240
Speaker 1: I'm going to do things my way, and then she's like,

1137
01:07:14,760 --> 01:07:17,120
Speaker 1: you were right. So like, I feel like she's kind

1138
01:07:17,120 --> 01:07:19,520
Speaker 1: of made out to like look a little like, hey,

1139
01:07:19,680 --> 01:07:22,760
Speaker 1: you should be more lenient with your stuff. You're too

1140
01:07:22,840 --> 01:07:27,680
Speaker 1: stuffy over there, Judy. So that was my main thing

1141
01:07:27,720 --> 01:07:30,920
Speaker 1: with them well, and she's also constantly advising I do

1142
01:07:30,960 --> 01:07:33,160
Speaker 1: think the character is written to be more of a

1143
01:07:33,240 --> 01:07:35,760
Speaker 1: female character just the way she communicates with him, And

1144
01:07:35,800 --> 01:07:39,880
Speaker 1: she's also constantly advising him to repress his emotions, where

1145
01:07:40,240 --> 01:07:42,360
Speaker 1: she I don't know, I'm just like I did. Did

1146
01:07:42,360 --> 01:07:44,600
Speaker 1: the did the male versions of this character talk this

1147
01:07:44,800 --> 01:07:49,240
Speaker 1: much about emotional compartmentalization? Doesn't seem like it's something that

1148
01:07:49,320 --> 01:07:51,800
Speaker 1: James bonds male boss of me, but she brings it

1149
01:07:51,880 --> 01:07:55,360
Speaker 1: up like two or three times of like yeah, like yeah,

1150
01:07:55,440 --> 01:07:57,200
Speaker 1: you need to you know, you need to be sure

1151
01:07:57,600 --> 01:08:00,400
Speaker 1: that you know you're keeping your emotions. And I don't

1152
01:08:00,400 --> 01:08:02,480
Speaker 1: think you'll have a problem with that though, and he's like,

1153
01:08:02,560 --> 01:08:05,320
Speaker 1: no way, never looked at her dead, it doesn't matter.

1154
01:08:05,320 --> 01:08:07,040
Speaker 1: I don't care about any of this and what he

1155
01:08:07,120 --> 01:08:08,920
Speaker 1: was saying at that moment, and then she's like, okay,

1156
01:08:09,000 --> 01:08:13,640
Speaker 1: nine eleven, see you later. You're like no dark. She

1157
01:08:14,000 --> 01:08:16,559
Speaker 1: is also if you can hear like banging happening on

1158
01:08:16,600 --> 01:08:20,000
Speaker 1: this recording, we don't know what it's from, but sorry

1159
01:08:20,080 --> 01:08:24,479
Speaker 1: about it. Were best. It's the metronome of life. Yeah, yeah,

1160
01:08:24,720 --> 01:08:28,960
Speaker 1: the heartbeat of the earth. I guess my final thoughts

1161
01:08:29,040 --> 01:08:32,160
Speaker 1: for this movie, or this whole franchise, this whole thing,

1162
01:08:32,560 --> 01:08:36,120
Speaker 1: is that these movies go to great lengths to be like, look,

1163
01:08:36,160 --> 01:08:41,240
Speaker 1: how freaking cool James Bond is. He dressed as well.

1164
01:08:41,360 --> 01:08:44,519
Speaker 1: He's charming, he's classy, he's very good at betting women.

1165
01:08:44,960 --> 01:08:48,639
Speaker 1: He drives cool cars, he wears cool watches, he says

1166
01:08:48,720 --> 01:08:53,480
Speaker 1: quippy lines and kills guns. Yeah, and he's good. He's good.

1167
01:08:54,880 --> 01:08:59,240
Speaker 1: So the male audience who these movies are targeted toward

1168
01:09:00,000 --> 01:09:02,880
Speaker 1: are seeing this and they're gobbling it up. They're like, Oh,

1169
01:09:02,920 --> 01:09:05,920
Speaker 1: this is how you'd be cool by mistreating women and

1170
01:09:06,240 --> 01:09:09,240
Speaker 1: dressing good. All right. I mean this is like one

1171
01:09:09,240 --> 01:09:12,679
Speaker 1: of the seminal examples of like how young men, because

1172
01:09:12,680 --> 01:09:15,200
Speaker 1: it's like the movies like this are are targeted at

1173
01:09:15,640 --> 01:09:19,439
Speaker 1: horny uncles, but also boys. Yeah, where it's just like

1174
01:09:19,479 --> 01:09:21,479
Speaker 1: this is like a blueprint, and it's like the further

1175
01:09:21,560 --> 01:09:23,719
Speaker 1: you go back in this franchise, the worse and worse against.

1176
01:09:23,760 --> 01:09:25,920
Speaker 1: But even if you're a young boy that sees something

1177
01:09:26,000 --> 01:09:29,720
Speaker 1: like this, it's just like said, it just hardwares your

1178
01:09:29,720 --> 01:09:33,960
Speaker 1: brain all sorts of fucked up ways, and I would

1179
01:09:34,040 --> 01:09:35,920
Speaker 1: I mean, it's like, if you were to guess, like,

1180
01:09:36,360 --> 01:09:40,160
Speaker 1: what are the top five film franchises that whire boys

1181
01:09:40,200 --> 01:09:43,600
Speaker 1: brains the wrong way on how to treat women, I

1182
01:09:43,680 --> 01:09:46,840
Speaker 1: would say this, this would be there to one of them. Yeah,

1183
01:09:46,920 --> 01:09:49,760
Speaker 1: and it's going strong, baby, it is going strong. And

1184
01:09:49,800 --> 01:09:52,280
Speaker 1: there is also one they're making a new I think

1185
01:09:52,320 --> 01:09:55,439
Speaker 1: this is Daniel Craig's last one, this Swan song. There

1186
01:09:55,560 --> 01:09:58,840
Speaker 1: was worth saying. Last year, Uh, there was a James

1187
01:09:58,880 --> 01:10:00,840
Speaker 1: Bond producer where I think there was some like they

1188
01:10:00,840 --> 01:10:02,800
Speaker 1: were like, who's going to take over for Daniel Craig.

1189
01:10:02,840 --> 01:10:04,680
Speaker 1: Maybe we'll get a black James Bond. Maybe we'll get

1190
01:10:04,720 --> 01:10:07,800
Speaker 1: a female James Bond. And the producers were like, you

1191
01:10:07,840 --> 01:10:10,800
Speaker 1: will not get a female Bund James Bond. Ever, like

1192
01:10:10,880 --> 01:10:16,479
Speaker 1: it was they were very close. We need Jamie Bond.

1193
01:10:17,280 --> 01:10:19,400
Speaker 1: We need to me to Jamie Bond. First of all,

1194
01:10:19,439 --> 01:10:24,120
Speaker 1: I'm very strong, um, and I fucked constantly and it

1195
01:10:24,160 --> 01:10:29,080
Speaker 1: does ruin. It makes me worse at my job. So

1196
01:10:29,120 --> 01:10:30,920
Speaker 1: I think that there's a lot there. I also I'm

1197
01:10:30,960 --> 01:10:34,639
Speaker 1: just like I'm sort of over all female reboots of

1198
01:10:34,640 --> 01:10:38,200
Speaker 1: fundamentally flawed franchises, but the fact that they were just

1199
01:10:38,240 --> 01:10:40,920
Speaker 1: like nope, fuck you, no way. You're like, well, now

1200
01:10:41,000 --> 01:10:48,120
Speaker 1: I kind of want it. Any other final thoughts, Um, yes, okay,

1201
01:10:48,280 --> 01:10:52,240
Speaker 1: so I have been in love with mad Nicholson for

1202
01:10:52,280 --> 01:10:54,479
Speaker 1: a long time. It is part of the reason why

1203
01:10:54,520 --> 01:10:56,639
Speaker 1: I was like, we have to all see this. I'm

1204
01:10:56,680 --> 01:10:58,880
Speaker 1: making all of my friends come to this movie. That

1205
01:10:59,000 --> 01:11:01,599
Speaker 1: is You're right, Jamie. I did not realize how fucking

1206
01:11:01,600 --> 01:11:04,320
Speaker 1: long it was. They're already in Montenegro and I'm like, oh,

1207
01:11:04,360 --> 01:11:06,519
Speaker 1: there's gotta be like, what like twenty five minutes. There's

1208
01:11:06,560 --> 01:11:09,000
Speaker 1: another hour in eight minutes to the film. I was

1209
01:11:09,439 --> 01:11:11,200
Speaker 1: shocked that it was as long as it was, and

1210
01:11:11,320 --> 01:11:14,080
Speaker 1: half longer. It's over the top. They could have cut

1211
01:11:14,120 --> 01:11:18,560
Speaker 1: most of the scenes where where he's doing something. Um,

1212
01:11:18,760 --> 01:11:22,759
Speaker 1: I am asthmatic, and I hate that they villainize asthma

1213
01:11:23,280 --> 01:11:27,080
Speaker 1: in this movie because he's like, he's like sinister, like

1214
01:11:27,240 --> 01:11:30,240
Speaker 1: in his shaking of his inhaler and using it. I'm like, Okay,

1215
01:11:30,280 --> 01:11:32,080
Speaker 1: some of us just can't breathe that well, and I

1216
01:11:32,080 --> 01:11:34,120
Speaker 1: don't think that that has to be a sign that

1217
01:11:34,160 --> 01:11:37,520
Speaker 1: we're bad people. I was very upset by the representation

1218
01:11:37,560 --> 01:11:41,840
Speaker 1: of unacceptable. Actually, I had one question for the room.

1219
01:11:42,720 --> 01:11:48,560
Speaker 1: Do you both think that a feminist version of the

1220
01:11:48,680 --> 01:11:53,880
Speaker 1: James Bond character is possible? I mean, it would have

1221
01:11:53,960 --> 01:11:57,719
Speaker 1: to be. It wouldn't have to like disrupt basically everything

1222
01:11:57,760 --> 01:11:59,920
Speaker 1: we know about James Bond, because the one of the

1223
01:12:00,000 --> 01:12:01,519
Speaker 1: any things so it's known about him is that he

1224
01:12:01,640 --> 01:12:04,840
Speaker 1: is a womanizer. So like you gotta strip that whole

1225
01:12:04,840 --> 01:12:07,240
Speaker 1: identity from him. Well, I think that there's a way.

1226
01:12:07,320 --> 01:12:10,000
Speaker 1: I think that there's a way that he can still

1227
01:12:10,160 --> 01:12:13,080
Speaker 1: like you can have a lot of sex and be

1228
01:12:13,600 --> 01:12:15,840
Speaker 1: not feminist. Like it's like I think that there's a

1229
01:12:15,840 --> 01:12:18,080
Speaker 1: way that he could hook up with a bunch of

1230
01:12:18,080 --> 01:12:21,160
Speaker 1: women and treat them with respective She wouldn't do it

1231
01:12:21,280 --> 01:12:23,880
Speaker 1: all the time, not enough, but it's been done. I

1232
01:12:23,880 --> 01:12:25,960
Speaker 1: feel like it could. It would have to be almost

1233
01:12:25,960 --> 01:12:27,360
Speaker 1: in the way that like I feel like there's a

1234
01:12:27,439 --> 01:12:30,960
Speaker 1: number of horror films now where a character something that

1235
01:12:30,960 --> 01:12:33,320
Speaker 1: happened when they were a child or something comes back

1236
01:12:33,360 --> 01:12:35,280
Speaker 1: and they're like, well, we were kids, and oh I didn't,

1237
01:12:35,280 --> 01:12:37,200
Speaker 1: but I didn't. You would have to have something that

1238
01:12:37,280 --> 01:12:39,559
Speaker 1: makes him confront like oh, and like just I would

1239
01:12:39,600 --> 01:12:41,240
Speaker 1: love it if it was like pictures of all the

1240
01:12:41,240 --> 01:12:42,720
Speaker 1: women that he slept with who were dead, and it's

1241
01:12:42,760 --> 01:12:45,600
Speaker 1: like you're toxic, and he's like being like he's like

1242
01:12:45,640 --> 01:12:48,599
Speaker 1: being tortured, but like also being forced to see, like, hey,

1243
01:12:48,720 --> 01:12:51,080
Speaker 1: you like all these things that you've done. Maybe this

1244
01:12:51,120 --> 01:12:54,439
Speaker 1: isn't the mission. Doesn't love for James for there to

1245
01:12:54,520 --> 01:12:56,720
Speaker 1: be a major component of a James but maybe, like

1246
01:12:57,080 --> 01:13:00,479
Speaker 1: the movie after Daniel Craig, he takes a good, long,

1247
01:13:00,720 --> 01:13:04,519
Speaker 1: hard look at himself. Yes, I want it. I don't

1248
01:13:04,560 --> 01:13:06,320
Speaker 1: think that. I mean, they're never going to do that,

1249
01:13:06,360 --> 01:13:07,840
Speaker 1: but I would love to see it. It would be

1250
01:13:07,840 --> 01:13:10,599
Speaker 1: so good. Like they're again. I have very little knowledge

1251
01:13:10,600 --> 01:13:13,360
Speaker 1: of this franchise, but just based on like the fact

1252
01:13:13,360 --> 01:13:16,080
Speaker 1: that the character has changed over time and he still

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Speaker 1: doesn't treat women well, but treat them differently, Like it

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01:13:19,479 --> 01:13:22,639
Speaker 1: seems like this is a malleable character. The actor changes.

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Speaker 1: It's like it seems like they're there's at least if

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Speaker 1: we're never going to get a female James Bond whatever,

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Speaker 1: I don't even want that. I want a woman to

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Speaker 1: have her own franchise, But there seems like there's a

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Speaker 1: version of this character that could still drink, fight and

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Speaker 1: fuck and not be horrible. To women. Sure yea, So

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Speaker 1: Mr Hollywood, if you're listening, I mean sorry, just real quick.

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Speaker 1: In Skyfall, there is a character who has to pay

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Speaker 1: for the consequences of how am I six operates in

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Speaker 1: how not whatever group there in yet who does to

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Speaker 1: answer for that? And it's not James Bond. It's Judy

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Speaker 1: Dench Like so she has to deal with the consequences

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Speaker 1: of like this lifestyle what it means because someone's like, hey,

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Speaker 1: here's a mirror to like what you guys actually do.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, it doesn't affect James Bond at all. He

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Speaker 1: doesn't change, He still works around, he still takes actions there,

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Speaker 1: he destroys city blocks and kill millions of brown people,

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Speaker 1: but like cares you know? Oh man, Well, I'm holding

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Speaker 1: out hope for James Bond. Ally holding out hope. I

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Speaker 1: mean if we get Idris elba As is often discussed

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Speaker 1: he's too busy doing his HBO DJ show what he is?

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Speaker 1: Oh it dropped. I haven't seen it yet. My boyfriend

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Speaker 1: watched it, but there's an Idris elba DJ show on HBO. Anyways,

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Speaker 1: this might be his Ballers. Just famous actor gets shitty

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Speaker 1: HBO show for no reason. I love it. Anyways Elba

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Speaker 1: I would Yeah, he would be incredible. Indeed, um, does

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Speaker 1: this movie pass the Betel test? Now? It doesn't even

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Speaker 1: come close. Women do not even interact or I think,

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01:15:06,960 --> 01:15:10,200
Speaker 1: or even in the same scene. There's one scene where

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Speaker 1: he's like, it's not Mr Beach or whatever, it's Mr

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Speaker 1: Bond and he's talking to a hotel receptionist. She is

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Speaker 1: not talking to the hotel receptionist. She doesn't resume talking

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Speaker 1: until they walk away from that other woman. Right, yeah,

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Speaker 1: they can't actually see each other. Yeah, it's not Mr

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Speaker 1: but it's Mr Bond. That's my favorite line in the movie. Um, yeah, No,

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Speaker 1: women don't even know each other in this movie. Nope. Well,

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Speaker 1: how many nipples will we get this? I'm gonna go

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Speaker 1: with a zero. Yep, yep, zero. I'm gonna go with

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Speaker 1: a zero as well. All right, yeah, I will go

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Speaker 1: with half the nipple, all of which goes to Judy

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Speaker 1: Dench because she, like, when I was a kid, I

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Speaker 1: was like, she's the cool She's the one charge she

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Speaker 1: tells everybody would do They all do it. That's true. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I will also give a half nipple, all right, I'm zero.

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Speaker 1: I will for Judy and and for the baldest woman

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Speaker 1: being in charge, that rule being abided by. I will

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Speaker 1: give you half an nipple everything else with bullshit. Indeed, Canice.

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Speaker 1: Do Do do do? He hates women, women, bad person

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