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Speaker 1: Welcome to Jags Drivetime with John Oshers and Jay P. Shadar.

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Speaker 1: Jags Drivetime starts right now and welcome in. It is

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Speaker 1: Jags Drivetime. Apparently things happened before noon on Jaguars dot Com.

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Speaker 1: I'm JP Shadrick, John Osher, coming up. We've got a

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Speaker 1: busy show. It's Tuesday. The league year begins Wednesday four o'clock.

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Speaker 1: A lot happening here, Johnny, Oh, good morning, what's up?

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Speaker 1: Good morning. Busy day yesterday. I don't know how busy

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Speaker 1: today will be, but uh, busy in the wrong direction

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Speaker 1: for the Jaguars. But necessary moves and necessary happenings in

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Speaker 1: terms of the salary cap. Well, let's get to the

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Speaker 1: big things for today, starting with the negotiation period. Yes,

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Speaker 1: that's what they officially call it. It's the it's the

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Speaker 1: period where you can negotiate contracts and all that. There's

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Speaker 1: all these contracts coming out in social media though right

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Speaker 1: now they can officially be signed. Starting with big thing

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Speaker 1: number two. That's Wednesday, the league year gets underway. Four

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Speaker 1: o'clock is the official time where teams can announce deals

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Speaker 1: and they can officially be signed. It's when all the

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Speaker 1: contracts toll over to the next year as well. That

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Speaker 1: is this Wednesday, four o'clock, and that leaves some priorities

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Speaker 1: for the Jaguars. As John Reference will get to it

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Speaker 1: a moment, some key pending free agents have apparently reportedly

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Speaker 1: agreed to deals with other teams, including the right tackle

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Speaker 1: for the Jaguars and free agency, the draft and beyond

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Speaker 1: it all kind of fits together in the offseason. Well,

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Speaker 1: let's start John with the negotiation period big thing number

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Speaker 1: one today. This is a relatively new phenomenon in the

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Speaker 1: last few years. You know, these deals were starting to

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Speaker 1: to be able to air quote negotiate with the teams.

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Speaker 1: But we know how that goes, right, I mean, these

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Speaker 1: things come out as soon as that negotiation window opens.

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Speaker 1: You're seeing deals reported. Yeah. Uh, it was a little

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Speaker 1: the intent, and it's a noble intent I think by

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Speaker 1: the league to have the negotiation periods start. It used

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Speaker 1: to be that you quote couldn't contact the agents are

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Speaker 1: and then by an hour into it, guys had signed

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Speaker 1: and so you sort of got that deal done. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so that so that was a bad look. Everybody knows

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Speaker 1: it happens, etc. So the negotiation period, in theory, it

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Speaker 1: ought to create this phenomenon of noon on Monday negotiation

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Speaker 1: The reality is, if a player is not signed by

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Speaker 1: his former team, especially a high profile guy, before that

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Speaker 1: it probably wasn't going to bode well for getting him back,

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Speaker 1: and then it was going to be too rich. And

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Speaker 1: the Jaguars just realized there's a certain limit to how

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Speaker 1: decision makers, you have to stick with that. They've played

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Speaker 1: in that field the last couple of years in free agency,

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Speaker 1: the Jaguars have but up against it this year. Unable

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Speaker 1: Taylor reportedly four years, eighty million dollars, sixty million of

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Speaker 1: that guaranteed by the Kansas City Chiefs. Oh, it's not

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Speaker 1: the Chiefs. And that's a huge payday for Juwan Taylor.

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Speaker 1: A guy who was a second round pick here for

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Speaker 1: it went on. Last year, you know, talking to all

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Speaker 1: analysts and such, a guy named Basselli, this was his

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Speaker 1: year for Joan and he's gonna pay in. Yeah it did,

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Speaker 1: From the Jaguars point of view, the reality is they

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Speaker 1: real over a six month period, but it's it's real

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Speaker 1: over a four or five year period, and a point

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Speaker 1: At some point it's going to become real and cost

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Speaker 1: you guys. So Trent Balky, the decision makers here are

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Speaker 1: clearly trying to get to a situation where the cap

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Speaker 1: have signed Juwan Taylor. He's exactly the kind of draft

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Speaker 1: So good for Juan, not great for the Jaguars. But

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Speaker 1: this is where when you're a draft and developed team, yes,

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Speaker 1: hope that you have drafted and developed in case you can't.

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Speaker 1: And that's the hope of Walker Lettle. That's the idea

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Speaker 1: at least. Chris Manhertz also reportedly signing close to signing

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Speaker 1: two years, six million dollars. Known mainly as a blocking

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Speaker 1: pass reception from Trevor Lawrence. He's exactly the kind of

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Speaker 1: but he's the kind of veteran free agent that sometimes

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Speaker 1: Chris man hurts is because over time you need those

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Speaker 1: I'll miss Chris. I know you get to know him

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Speaker 1: I'll give you a bonus points. He yes, he caught

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Speaker 1: What other NFL player did he catch the first touchdown

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Speaker 1: I always associate him and playing with the Bills. He

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Speaker 1: bonus points. Okay. He played for Kennesius, which is near Buffalo.

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Speaker 1: It's why he's that confused. But Josh Allen never played

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Speaker 1: We've got questions. We'll see if Osher has answers, we'll

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Speaker 1: find out in the moment. It's Jack's drive time on

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Speaker 1: the Jaguars Digital Network. Friendly. Oh, this Jack's drive time,

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Speaker 1: and it's time to dig into the zone mailbag. Beware

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Speaker 1: at your own risk. Here's the best we've come up

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Speaker 1: We are at the brink of the tampering period. We

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Speaker 1: What gives Well, I think what gives is you have

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Speaker 1: you any discount correct to your guy, JP. Yeah, Um,

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Speaker 1: If you know that he's that guy, which I think

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Speaker 1: of the season ideally you will, then you resign him. Well.

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Speaker 1: And the idea of discounts at that rate, I don't

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Speaker 1: I mean if you go two years later and sign him,

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Speaker 1: I think the reader's point is in theory, if you

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Speaker 1: You can set it up so that it does start.

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