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Speaker 1: Hi, guys, Welcome to a new episode of Legally Brunette.

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Speaker 1: I will be your host today, Emily Simpson with my

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Speaker 1: co pilot Shane. So today we thought, here's the thing.

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Speaker 1: I always try to look for what's going on in

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Speaker 1: the media, like what is the buzz what are people

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Speaker 1: talking about? Because that's always the first thing that I

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Speaker 1: want to go to for Legally Brunette is like what

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Speaker 1: is the most current topic? And I feel like there

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Speaker 1: were just some big kind of breaking news type of topics,

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Speaker 1: but probably not enough to do a full episode. So

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Speaker 1: today we're just going to talk about like three really

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Speaker 1: current things that are going on in the news in

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Speaker 1: the true crime world. So all right, So first we're

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Speaker 1: going to talk about Laken Snelling. Have you heard of

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Speaker 1: this girl? Do you know who this is?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? I've seen it in the headlines.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, in the headlines.

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Speaker 2: Okay, remind me, well.

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Speaker 1: If you have to put cheerleader around there, because that's

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Speaker 1: always a headline.

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Speaker 2: Oh no, it's a murder suicide in Vegas.

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Speaker 1: No, oh no, I don't know they Okay Lake and

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Speaker 1: Snell is the college girl who cheered at UK who

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Speaker 1: killed her new word well was just recently.

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Speaker 2: Wasn't that recently found out that the asphyxiation.

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Speaker 1: Yes, so we're going to go into that. So let's

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Speaker 1: talk about that. Also again, we talked about this before

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Speaker 1: when we did an episode on the girl that was

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Speaker 1: killed by her stepbrother or yeah, remember all her ship.

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Speaker 1: I remember she was a cheerleader, and I talked about

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Speaker 1: how whenever a girl is a cheerleader, they always put

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Speaker 1: that into the headline, like that's always a thing.

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Speaker 2: Cheerleader because has some Well, was football, they would put football.

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Speaker 1: If it was football, they would put football. If it's cheerleader,

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Speaker 1: they put cheerleader.

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Speaker 2: If it's minecraft warrior, they do not ill No, but

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Speaker 2: cheerleader is the YouTuber you know, if there's something that

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Speaker 1: It's cheerleader. Cheerleader, cheerleader, I guess because immediately you have

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Speaker 1: to talk about this horrific crime that she did. So anyway,

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Speaker 1: twenty two year old Laken Snelling is a former beauty

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Speaker 1: pageant contestant and University of Kentucky student. She is now

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Speaker 1: facing new legal developments and the death of her newborn baby.

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Speaker 1: A Fayette County grand jury has voted to indict Snelling

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Speaker 1: on a charge of first degree manslaughter, according to a

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Speaker 1: statement from the Lexington Police Department. Under Kentucky law, that

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Speaker 1: charge carries a possible sentence of ten to twenty years

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Speaker 2: Now, I read.

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Speaker 1: That when the grand jury they convene that they had

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Speaker 1: four options for what to charge for charges based upon

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Speaker 1: the new evidence that the baby had been born alive right,

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Speaker 1: So the highest charge would have been murder, but they

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Speaker 1: didn't go with murder. They went with first degree manslaughter

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Speaker 1: because I read that there was some type of They

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Speaker 1: so that it got so they indicted her on a

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Speaker 2: Degree That would mean she planned it all along, like

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Speaker 2: when my baby's born.

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Speaker 1: I am going to write, and I guess for this

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Speaker 1: grand jury indictment when they convened, I'm sure there was

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Speaker 1: not evidence to support a premeditated type of even though

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Speaker 1: I do know that they were searching her snapchat her conversations,

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Speaker 1: aware that she's pregnant, right because she hid this pregnancy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no one knew. Did she not show? Well?

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Speaker 1: I read that her because she has you were.

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Speaker 2: A cheerleading outfit.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, you know, I was trying to figure

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Speaker 1: know a lot about UK cheerleading. First of all, UK

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Speaker 2: This. Uh, when stuff like this happens, I think of

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Speaker 1: I did read that her roommates because she lived off campus,

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Speaker 2: So I don't know. I mean, obviously suspect she was pregnant.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I didn't know that, but I thought,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe maybe just she was sick a lot.

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Speaker 1: So anyway, at the time of her arrest in August

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Speaker 1: the birth of an infant. Those charges remained part of

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Speaker 1: that's when they found the baby. But now she has

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Speaker 1: this fourth charge of first degree manslaughter. Investigators say the

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Speaker 1: grand jury's decision followed testimony indicating that the baby was

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Speaker 1: a first degree manslaughter comes later because they had.

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Speaker 2: To do all the well, they had to learn the

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Speaker 1: Right, They had to do with the medical examiner had

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Speaker 1: was actually born alive and then affhixiated. So that's where

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Speaker 1: the manslaughter charge comes in.

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Speaker 2: Police. Wait, so did do we go with the basic facts?

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Speaker 2: Did she just gave deli at home?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we're gonna get to that. I'm just kind of

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Speaker 1: then we'll get into like some more details. Police previously

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Speaker 1: hidden in a closet inside Snelling's bedroom. Authorities also revealed

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Speaker 1: that an autopsy determined this is later that the cause

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Speaker 2: But like she claimed baby she claimed.

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Speaker 1: which is a very elaborate story, right.

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Speaker 2: Which is also like, well, you should have gone to

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Speaker 1: So let's talk about well, let's talk about the timeline

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Speaker 1: Police were called to an off campus residence near the

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Speaker 1: University of Kentucky after roommates reported finding blood inside Snelling's bedroom.

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Speaker 1: Now here's I've read more about this, more details about

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Speaker 1: the roommates. First of all, the roommates heard a lot

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like contractions, yes, like her response to contractions. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: so she's at first the noises were five minutes apart, yes,

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Speaker 1: And then they claimed that there was also such a

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Speaker 2: So I ask our kids, cause a lot of havoc,

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Speaker 2: Roommate and the roommates are what they a that she's

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Speaker 1: Don't know it says. According to investigators, the roommates became

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Speaker 2: Right, howd she cut the That means she cut the Like,

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Speaker 2: that's I don't know how this girls, that's a lot

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Speaker 2: Do you have a tummy a can you scream for help?

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Speaker 1: Sir? You get a cold and you're down and out.

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Speaker 1: So then after the roommates go into her room and

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Speaker 1: Snelling was not present because I told you she just left.

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Speaker 2: So she considered getting medical help. Was that what that was? Maybe?

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Speaker 1: Or maybe I think she just she doesn't know what

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Speaker 1: unless she pleads out something. I don't know. But obviously

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Speaker 1: sure they want to look at her cell phone history.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure they're trying to put together a timeline the boyfriend. Yeah, right,

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Speaker 1: So what did Lake and Snelling tell the police. So,

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Speaker 1: while receiving medical treatment at the University of Kentucky Hospital,

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Speaker 1: Snelling agreed to speak with investigators and waived her Miranda rights.

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Speaker 1: According to search warrant Affi Davits, again, we're talking about

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Speaker 1: I mean, she's an adult, I all.

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Speaker 2: Enough to have a baby and smother it.

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Speaker 1: So I guess she is rights. Snelling told police that

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Speaker 2: Four question sometimes like in this case, she waived her rights,

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Speaker 2: And for our purposes, let's assume she is guilty, right

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Speaker 2: because she probab Like do we care that she waved

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Speaker 2: her rights? Like? Good, incriminate yourself because you're a crook.

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Speaker 1: Do you know the Miranda rights? Do you know them?

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Speaker 2: But anyways, she asked, like about the Miranda rights because

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Speaker 1: No, that's not a crime. You can have a baby,

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Speaker 2: I intended to cute the baby. I love the baby. Oops,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but I'm just saying, for such a young girl

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Speaker 2: No, she probably planned it all along.

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Speaker 1: My question is, and this is what they're trying to

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Speaker 2: Her story for someone to come up with and say

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Speaker 1: So it'll be interesting to see what further evidence comes

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Speaker 2: It takes this one snap for her to say like,

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Speaker 2: Oh she killed the baby that' yeah. Really, at the

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about what has happened since her arrest. After

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Speaker 2: What if house arrests or someone like that, and house

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Speaker 1: Where do you want? You want her to go straight

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Speaker 1: Well that's I mean, well, I think the house arrest

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Speaker 2: This is the case where it to me, it gets

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Speaker 2: See, So she goes, I don't know, because I'm a

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Speaker 2: I know who came up with that?

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Speaker 2: They were going to go after him for manslaughter charges.

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Speaker 1: Who's Jim Baker?

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Speaker 1: concealment of the infant. Her next court date, she'll be

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00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:58,399
Speaker 1: arraigned on these new charges. It's coming up in April

437
00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:00,960
Speaker 1: of twenty twenty six. So we will continue to follow

438
00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:03,680
Speaker 1: that because I definitely want to follow this case closely

439
00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:04,600
Speaker 1: and see what happens.

440
00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:07,040
Speaker 2: So well, what do you think do you think someone

441
00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:10,040
Speaker 2: like that, let's just system. She's guilty, right, we're jumping

442
00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:14,000
Speaker 2: on that. You think a settence of ten to twenty

443
00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:17,119
Speaker 2: years is what is needed to make things right? Do

444
00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:20,720
Speaker 2: you think nothing's gonna really make I mean, nothings that

445
00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:22,520
Speaker 2: make it better. The baby's dead? But like, what do

446
00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:23,400
Speaker 2: you think she should.

447
00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:26,080
Speaker 1: No, I think she deserves jail time. Yeah, she's young,

448
00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:29,640
Speaker 1: she's twenty two. I think I think there's a difference

449
00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:34,719
Speaker 1: between her actions and someone you know like that just

450
00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:37,440
Speaker 1: premeditates murder and goes out and kills like the six

451
00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:40,080
Speaker 1: like the sixteen year olds that took the girl out,

452
00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:42,280
Speaker 1: you know when we talked about friends like these in

453
00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:44,879
Speaker 1: the last episode. I think there's a big difference between that.

454
00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:47,280
Speaker 1: I think I would like to know the reason why

455
00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:49,840
Speaker 1: she was concealing the pregnancy. Did she come from a

456
00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:55,679
Speaker 1: very religious family where her parents be upset? Was there boyfriend?

457
00:21:56,800 --> 00:21:58,919
Speaker 1: You know, what are the circumstances surrounding it. At the

458
00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:01,840
Speaker 1: end of the day, she caused a death. This child

459
00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:04,760
Speaker 1: never gets the opportunity to live and have a life,

460
00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:08,160
Speaker 1: So I believe she should be punished. I just think

461
00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:12,920
Speaker 1: there is a distinguishing difference between her actions and someone.

462
00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:15,520
Speaker 2: It's not the same kind of violent behavior that someone

463
00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:16,880
Speaker 2: might want to kill again.

464
00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:19,560
Speaker 1: Unless there's more evidence that comes out that she knew

465
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Speaker 1: she was pregnant, that she planned it, that she knew

466
00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:23,840
Speaker 1: she was going to suffocate the baby. That takes it to.

467
00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:26,080
Speaker 2: Another level for me if that could be proven.

468
00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:36,840
Speaker 1: But let's just follow it and see. Let's move on

469
00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:39,320
Speaker 1: to another case that's been in the news that I've

470
00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:42,359
Speaker 1: seen a lot, a lot of conversation, a lot of

471
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Speaker 1: headlines about this is Jason Hughes. He was the teacher

472
00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:48,360
Speaker 1: who was killed by a student prank. Have you read

473
00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:51,600
Speaker 1: about this or heard about this? No, this is an

474
00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:55,360
Speaker 1: interesting discussion too, So I just want to get this

475
00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:58,959
Speaker 1: is in Georgia. So Jason Hughes was a forty year

476
00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:01,840
Speaker 1: old teacher and golf coach in Gainesville, Georgia, and he

477
00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:05,400
Speaker 1: died after a tragic accident connected to a prom season

478
00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:09,639
Speaker 1: prank on March sixth, So this just happened recently. Hughes

479
00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:14,000
Speaker 1: was struck by a pickup truck outside his home. According

480
00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:16,600
Speaker 1: to the Hall County Sheriff's Office, the truck was driven

481
00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:19,919
Speaker 1: by Jaden Wallace, an eighteen year old student who was

482
00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:23,680
Speaker 1: with four other teenagers and they were toilet papering Hughes's trees.

483
00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:28,000
Speaker 2: Hughes I didn't know by name, but I do know

484
00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:28,480
Speaker 2: the story.

485
00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:33,119
Speaker 1: Right, So Jason Hughes is this beloved math teacher and

486
00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:34,560
Speaker 1: he's also a golf coach.

487
00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:37,960
Speaker 2: The prank was not a we don't like this teacher.

488
00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:40,879
Speaker 2: The prank was actually he was a beloved teacher. It

489
00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:43,880
Speaker 2: was almost like a what do you call it when

490
00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:46,200
Speaker 2: it's like a a ritual, right, like a what was

491
00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:46,720
Speaker 2: a tradition?

492
00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:49,760
Speaker 1: Tradition is a tradition, right, It was a tradition that

493
00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:52,639
Speaker 1: these seniors did every year. You know, did you toilet

494
00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:53,840
Speaker 1: paper anyone's house when you were.

495
00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:54,640
Speaker 2: In high school time?

496
00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:57,000
Speaker 1: I did too a couple of times, and it was

497
00:23:57,040 --> 00:24:00,720
Speaker 1: like toilet papering someone's house was like a fun, harmless

498
00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:02,800
Speaker 1: prank other than there was a lot of toilet paper

499
00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:03,879
Speaker 1: in the yard in the morning.

500
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Speaker 2: But well you did it to people you knew, and

501
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:09,240
Speaker 2: that usually a lot of girls that you didn't you know,

502
00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:11,040
Speaker 2: that didn't give you attention.

503
00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:14,520
Speaker 1: Oh yes, right, So, investigators say the prank is considered

504
00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:17,919
Speaker 1: a long standing tradition among some students. During prom season,

505
00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:22,080
Speaker 1: authorities reported that Hughes went outside during the incident, tripped

506
00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:24,560
Speaker 1: and fell into the roadway and then was struck by

507
00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:27,600
Speaker 1: the vehicle which was driven by this eighteen year old student.

508
00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:29,040
Speaker 2: Which I think the vehicle then stopped.

509
00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:30,280
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he stops.

510
00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:34,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, they all like race off now, and I believe

511
00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:36,000
Speaker 2: I'm probably getting end of you. But I believe the

512
00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:40,960
Speaker 2: teacher waited for them, He anticipated them to come, and

513
00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:43,639
Speaker 2: he was guided catch him in the act, but as

514
00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:46,680
Speaker 2: a way of playing the game, playing along with them,

515
00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:48,639
Speaker 2: not to catch them and turn them in, no, but

516
00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:51,560
Speaker 2: to kind of have the laugh by catching them and.

517
00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:54,159
Speaker 1: Being a part of it. Right, Jaden Wallace, that's the

518
00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:56,600
Speaker 1: team that ran over him, and the other teens stopped

519
00:24:56,600 --> 00:25:00,840
Speaker 1: immediately and tried to assist Hughes until emergency respond arrived.

520
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:06,359
Speaker 1: The teacher, Jason Hughes, was then transported to a local hospital,

521
00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:10,359
Speaker 1: but later died from these injuries. So Hughes was a teacher.

522
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:12,480
Speaker 1: Let's just get into a little bit more details about

523
00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:14,520
Speaker 1: who he was. He was a teacher and a golf

524
00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:17,040
Speaker 1: coach at North Hall High School, where he was well

525
00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:20,200
Speaker 1: known in the community. You know, I was reading about him,

526
00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:22,040
Speaker 1: and it's just sad because this was a guy that

527
00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:24,360
Speaker 1: like dedicated, like he was one of those people.

528
00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:27,800
Speaker 2: That was like he was trying to make differences in right.

529
00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:29,600
Speaker 1: Like he was the kind of teacher and this is

530
00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:31,560
Speaker 1: why he was beloved by all his students, because he

531
00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:33,280
Speaker 1: was the kind of teacher that wanted to be a

532
00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:35,320
Speaker 1: teacher that was like trying to make a difference in

533
00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:37,880
Speaker 1: people's lives. Like he loved his students. He was very

534
00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:41,080
Speaker 1: integrated into the school and he was a coach. He

535
00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:44,160
Speaker 1: also served as an as the North Hall School Director.

536
00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:48,080
Speaker 1: It was called for MNG three, which means Next Generation three.

537
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:52,639
Speaker 1: It was an organization focused on mentorship and character development

538
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:56,200
Speaker 1: for students and local schools. So he was described by

539
00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:59,720
Speaker 1: many as not only a teacher, but he was a mentor,

540
00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:02,879
Speaker 1: a leader, and a strong presence in both the school

541
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:06,800
Speaker 1: and church communities. He is survived by his wife, Laura Hughes,

542
00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:10,000
Speaker 1: and he had two young sons. You know, it's one

543
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:13,760
Speaker 1: of those things where it's such a tragedy because if

544
00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:17,280
Speaker 1: there would have been a split second difference anywhere between

545
00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:20,000
Speaker 1: when he left the house or when the kid was

546
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:23,200
Speaker 1: probably backing the truck up, it never would have happened.

547
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:26,040
Speaker 1: But it's one of those tragic incidents that just.

548
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:28,160
Speaker 2: Came out the door one second later, right.

549
00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:30,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, But I guess when he came out and he

550
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:33,080
Speaker 1: slipped in the driveway, it's the exact moment that this

551
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:35,760
Speaker 1: kid was. I don't know if he was backing out

552
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:40,000
Speaker 1: or pulling forward, but either way, it just he ran

553
00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:44,439
Speaker 1: over him. Following the accident, Jaden Wallace was charged with

554
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:48,360
Speaker 1: first degree first degree of vehicular homicide, which is a felony,

555
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:53,960
Speaker 1: reckless driving, which is a misdemeanor offense. If convicted of

556
00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:58,159
Speaker 1: vehicular homicide, Wallace could face three to fifteen years in prison.

557
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:02,760
Speaker 1: There were also four other teas involved that night, Elijah Owens,

558
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:07,000
Speaker 1: Aiden Hucks, Anna Luki, and Arianna Cruz. They were all

559
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:10,399
Speaker 1: eighteen years old, and those the other ones that weren't driving,

560
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:14,480
Speaker 1: were charged with criminal trespassing which is a misdemeanor, and littering.

561
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:19,200
Speaker 1: So the response from the family after this accident happened

562
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:22,600
Speaker 1: so after Hughes's death, His wife, Laura Hughes, who is

563
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:25,800
Speaker 1: also a teacher at North Hall High School, publicly stated

564
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 1: that she and her family support dropping the charges against

565
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:31,760
Speaker 1: the teens. You know, I thought that was really such

566
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:33,440
Speaker 1: a stand up thing by the wise.

567
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:37,160
Speaker 2: Because she recognized it as just an unfortunate accident, right,

568
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 2: there was no bad intentions. She didn't want to interrupt

569
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:44,679
Speaker 2: their opportunity for living and.

570
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:48,760
Speaker 1: Growing and becoming something and making something of their life, right, right, So.

571
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:50,840
Speaker 2: It's like he would want them to be able to

572
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 2: go back to normal living and pick up their life.

573
00:27:53,960 --> 00:28:02,520
Speaker 1: And you know, right, So, the Hall County District Attorney

574
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 1: said the cases currently under review. However, I did read

575
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:08,800
Speaker 1: that they did drop the charges.

576
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:12,119
Speaker 2: But I have a question. So it's not up to

577
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:14,720
Speaker 2: her to press or not press.

578
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:15,639
Speaker 1: No, it's not.

579
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 2: It's up to the state, but they can consider.

580
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:20,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I and I think they did.

581
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:23,160
Speaker 2: I think because once she won't testify against them, right.

582
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:26,719
Speaker 1: Because initially they charged him with first degree vehicular or homicide.

583
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:30,240
Speaker 1: They later dropped the charges against him, and I believe

584
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:32,239
Speaker 1: that's because I think the community kind of had an

585
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 1: outpouring of support too. So it's like the wife's saying,

586
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:37,640
Speaker 1: please don't prosecute. Most kids didn't run away, they didn't

587
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:39,720
Speaker 1: they stayed in this says says.

588
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:41,240
Speaker 2: It was an act to me, says, it was an.

589
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:43,800
Speaker 1: Accident, absolutely, and you know, the wife.

590
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:46,240
Speaker 2: You know, something they did not want and they wanted

591
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:50,520
Speaker 2: to help him, and him waiting his excitement, waiting to

592
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:53,120
Speaker 2: catch them and kind of play their you know, catch

593
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:57,520
Speaker 2: him at their game for fun, not to you know,

594
00:28:57,680 --> 00:28:59,800
Speaker 2: to teach them a lesson.

595
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:03,720
Speaker 1: Right, So they decided to drop the charges against the kids,

596
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:05,080
Speaker 1: which I think was the right decision.

597
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:07,280
Speaker 2: I I don't it'd be more tragedy for her too

598
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:10,040
Speaker 2: if she had to go through trials and right.

599
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:13,120
Speaker 1: And I don't believe in any sense of the word.

600
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:15,320
Speaker 1: To me, this is nothing more than like we talked about,

601
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:18,600
Speaker 1: a split second tragic thing that happened with you know,

602
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:22,160
Speaker 1: it's a complete accident and it's so unfortunate, And I

603
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 1: don't I don't think that as far as what I read,

604
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:28,040
Speaker 1: I don't think that Jaden, the one driving, was even

605
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:32,680
Speaker 1: operating the truck in a negligent manner or acting crazy or.

606
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 2: Doing don't no, but he might he might have tried

607
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:35,840
Speaker 2: to speed off.

608
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 1: I don't know. It says that they did.

609
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:41,800
Speaker 2: That, it didn't even get that far. I don't know.

610
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:44,000
Speaker 1: His attorney said that there was no evidence that he

611
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:48,080
Speaker 1: was acting in any riving. He was just driving and

612
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 1: probably driving normally. Again, I think it was nothing more

613
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:52,280
Speaker 1: than like you know, what you.

614
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:53,960
Speaker 2: Were talking about how everything kind of lined up to

615
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 2: allow this to happen. Also, just I mean, people get

616
00:29:57,400 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 2: hit by cars and they don't die. And if it

617
00:29:59,920 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 2: was isn't going fast. So I mean that also had

618
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 2: a line up perfectly, that it was such a tragic

619
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:08,240
Speaker 2: that it yet by the vehicle that he actually died. Right,

620
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 2: Everything was just bad.

621
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 1: So on March tenth, Jaden Wallace and his parents released

622
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:17,280
Speaker 1: their first public statement through their attorney. The family said

623
00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:20,880
Speaker 1: that they feel deep remorse over Hughes's death. Jaden Wallace

624
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:23,719
Speaker 1: also issued a personal message, saying that he intends to

625
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 1: honor Hughes's memory and live in a way that reflects

626
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:31,240
Speaker 1: the coach's faith and values. So, I mean, I hope

627
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:33,480
Speaker 1: that this Here's the thing. I don't think this kid

628
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:35,560
Speaker 1: deserves any kind of punishment because he has to live

629
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:36,840
Speaker 1: with the punishment.

630
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:38,480
Speaker 2: That the same I have. There's probably lessons to be

631
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:42,240
Speaker 2: learned for everyone, you know, Just I always think cars

632
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 2: are disdanged. I mean, eighteen year old driving a car.

633
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:47,840
Speaker 2: It's other than to get from point A to point B.

634
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 2: It's very dangerous for young kids to drive cars, you know,

635
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:55,920
Speaker 2: racing around thinking it's funny, laughing out loud, playing loud music.

636
00:30:56,280 --> 00:31:00,440
Speaker 2: I mean, cars can kill.

637
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:02,120
Speaker 1: Right, But again, I don't think he was doing anything negligently.

638
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 2: I'm just saying the lesson to learn, like Okay, because

639
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 2: when I saw this, I thought, yeah, cars are dangerous.

640
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 2: Always when to drop daughters off at like even like

641
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 2: church chances, I always tell them be careful in the

642
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 2: parking lot because there's boys that like to show off,

643
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 2: play loud music, race around, and you got to be

644
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 2: very very careful with that. And then there's I don't

645
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 2: think you know this, but do you know what senior

646
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 2: Assassin is?

647
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 1: No, it sounds scary.

648
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:29,320
Speaker 2: It's a game that all the seniors play at the

649
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:29,880
Speaker 2: end of the year.

650
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 1: Where are you talking about here?

651
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:31,880
Speaker 2: The high schools?

652
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, what in Orange County?

653
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know about all Orange County, but the

654
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 2: high school as our kids would go to, Okay or

655
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 2: Shelby and Chanelle went to.

656
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 1: So Shane's from talking about these high schools.

657
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 2: But this is a new thing that didn't happen when

658
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:46,720
Speaker 2: I was young. So Senior Assassin is they are. It's

659
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 2: really well organized, really quick. It's really well organized, and

660
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:51,960
Speaker 2: you have teams like of twos and you try to

661
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,000
Speaker 2: assassin each other with water guns and that's it, and

662
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 2: you have to capture it on video to prove that

663
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 2: the that you killed the other assassinated the other person,

664
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:02,360
Speaker 2: and then the vast group standing wins the prize, which

665
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:05,200
Speaker 2: is everyone put in ten bucks or whatever. But the

666
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 2: danger in that is because they're using their cars to

667
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 2: find each other, to track each other down. And so

668
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:15,840
Speaker 2: the last time around, when Chanelle was doing it, my

669
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 2: big advice was you cannot be racing around. You know,

670
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 2: you can't do that, and one of her friends got

671
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 2: in an accident trying to follow someone else and it

672
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:27,120
Speaker 2: could have resulted in death. And that's the part that

673
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 2: always scares me. Yeah, as young kids driving cars because

674
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 2: you don't have an appreciation or how dangerous it can be,

675
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 2: even in this case where it was just driving away

676
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 2: laughing because you know someone was trying to catch you,

677
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 2: and then you kill them.

678
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 1: Right, just again, just to reiterate this I was trying

679
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 1: to say before you were talking about that, I don't

680
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 1: think Jaden Wallace deserves any type of formal punishment because

681
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 1: he has to live the rest of his life with

682
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 1: the punishment within his own head that his actions whether

683
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:00,920
Speaker 1: and I'm not saying they were.

684
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 2: I imagine he's emotionally.

685
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 1: Damn it right, and he has to wake up every

686
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 1: day and he has to go to bed every night school,

687
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 1: he has to go to this and he has to

688
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 1: know and he has to live with the fact that

689
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 1: this man no longer is living and has left two

690
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 1: sons with no father because of the actions that happened

691
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:21,920
Speaker 1: that night. And to me, that's enough that he has

692
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 1: to deal with that. That's the only punishment. He doesn't

693
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 1: even deserve that, but that's what he has to live

694
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 1: with the rest of his life. So a go fundme

695
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 1: fundraiser was created to support the teacher's family and help

696
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:37,640
Speaker 1: build a college fund for his two sons. As of today,

697
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 1: the fundraiser has raised more than four hundred and eighty

698
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 1: nine thousand, with an original goal of only seventy five thousand.

699
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 1: Donations have been paused. I guess they paused it after

700
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 1: you reach like a certain when you've reached so much,

701
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 1: I mean, how long ago.

702
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 2: I don't know. I never heard of that, but apparently

703
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 2: that's what they do.

704
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 1: All right, let's move on to the last case we're

705
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 1: going to talk about today, because I thought this was

706
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:09,279
Speaker 1: an interesting headline. That I saw recently. This is the

707
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:13,040
Speaker 1: case of Michelle Hunley Smith, who was the woman who

708
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:17,239
Speaker 1: went missing for twenty five years, who just recently reappeared

709
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:18,719
Speaker 1: and showed back up.

710
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:22,759
Speaker 2: So if that's the case, was she missing, she her family.

711
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 1: Thought she was missing, and her husband and her children.

712
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:27,239
Speaker 2: She knew who she was, Yeah, she knew or she

713
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:28,919
Speaker 2: do know any details in this case.

714
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:30,319
Speaker 1: So all right, well we're going to go into this.

715
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 1: But this made me think of how many times have

716
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:34,960
Speaker 1: we had cases like just here's just an example of

717
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:37,800
Speaker 1: like Josh and Susan Powell, and remember Josh palell is like,

718
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 1: well she just left, she she just disappeared, her kiss.

719
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:46,480
Speaker 1: And how many times have we said a woman doesn't

720
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:49,400
Speaker 1: just walk out the front guy, guys gonna take his

721
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:52,839
Speaker 1: phone on the way. They don't just disappear and you know,

722
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 1: leave three kids behind and don't come back. Well here

723
00:34:57,040 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 1: we have, Okay, the exception to the exception to the rule.

724
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:04,840
Speaker 1: This is Michelle and she is the exception to that. So,

725
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 1: more than two decades after she was reported missing, Michelle

726
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:12,399
Speaker 1: Hunley Smith, a North Carolina mother of three, has been

727
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:16,399
Speaker 1: found alive. Smith disappeared in two thousand and one after

728
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 1: leaving her home in Eden, North Carolina to go Christmas shopping.

729
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 1: She was Christmas shopping at Kmart and three children and

730
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:28,759
Speaker 1: she never returned. At the time, she was thirty eight

731
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:32,799
Speaker 1: years old. Yeah, to keep going, Okay, all right, so

732
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 1: you keep working on that while I continue on.

733
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:36,480
Speaker 2: I've solved the problem.

734
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:40,760
Speaker 1: On February twentieth, twenty twenty six. This was very recently,

735
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:44,880
Speaker 1: investigators with the Rockingham County Sheriff's Office confirmed that they

736
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 1: had located Smith after receiving new information the day before.

737
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:50,360
Speaker 1: I don't know what this new information was. I was

738
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:51,799
Speaker 1: trying to figure that out, and I was reading a

739
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 1: lot of articles on this case because I was trying

740
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 1: to figure out the exact details of how they came

741
00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:59,760
Speaker 1: to know where she was located. I don't know, I can't.

742
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 1: I don't know. So if anyone actually a lot of

743
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 1: listeners out there, like they will DM me and give

744
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 1: me more information because everyone's you know, there's so many

745
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:12,920
Speaker 1: people out there that are that are physically located or

746
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:15,760
Speaker 1: emotionally tied to some of these cases we talk about.

747
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:19,320
Speaker 1: So if anyone knows Michelle and you know any details,

748
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:21,400
Speaker 1: please send me a message because I'm really curious to

749
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:25,399
Speaker 1: know how they found out where she was. Detectives met

750
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:27,799
Speaker 1: with her in person at an undisclosed location in North

751
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 1: Carolina and confirm that she is alive and in good health.

752
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 1: According to authorities, Smith told investigators that she left her

753
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 1: family more than twenty years ago because of ongoing domestic issues,

754
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 1: though she did not provide any details. Officials also noted

755
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 1: there's no evidence of foul play related to her disappearance,

756
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 1: and the case is now considered resolved. Smith has requested

757
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 1: that her current location remain private. She still doesn't want

758
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 1: anybody to know where she is, though her family has

759
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:02,440
Speaker 1: been in form and they know that she's alive, well

760
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:03,040
Speaker 1: and safe.

761
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 2: Let's see what happens this Christmas. Right, she disappears again.

762
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:09,920
Speaker 1: So let's talk about the original disappearance. This is back

763
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 1: in two thousand and one. So Smith disappeared on December

764
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:14,759
Speaker 1: ninth of two thousand and one. After leaving her home

765
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:18,240
Speaker 1: in North Carolina. She reportedly planned to go Christmas shopping

766
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:21,640
Speaker 1: at a kmart in Martinsville, Virginia, which was about twenty

767
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 1: miles away. Her husband later told police that she never

768
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 1: returned home from the trip. The case even let this

769
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:31,840
Speaker 1: is what This is mind boggling for me. The case

770
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 1: led to a long investigation involving multiple agencies and the

771
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 1: fbis this is.

772
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:40,640
Speaker 2: During the twenty five years or after they found her.

773
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:43,600
Speaker 1: No, this is during This is an one when she disappeared.

774
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 1: I mean her husband reports her missing. He says she

775
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:50,480
Speaker 1: went shopping Christmas shopping and she never returned home.

776
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 2: Okay, where was home?

777
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:53,799
Speaker 1: She's in North Carolina's her home?

778
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 2: And where was she found?

779
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 1: She was found in North Carolina. No, she was found

780
00:37:58,640 --> 00:37:59,400
Speaker 1: in North Carolina.

781
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:00,719
Speaker 2: Okay, so she didn't travel far.

782
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 1: No, No, she was located in North Carolina.

783
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:09,759
Speaker 3: Okay, disclosed location. She's just she was not giving up

784
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:10,720
Speaker 3: her location.

785
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:12,920
Speaker 2: To know the city. I want to go where she is.

786
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 2: Leave that vacation there and no one can find us.

787
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:18,399
Speaker 1: Okay, listen though, let me just break this down because

788
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:21,760
Speaker 1: this makes no sense to me. She goes Christmas shopping.

789
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:23,959
Speaker 1: She has a husband and three children and a home

790
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 1: and a life. Okay, she goes to Christmas shopping in

791
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 1: two thousand and one, and she disappears, and the family

792
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:32,279
Speaker 1: and the husband never see her again, and the and

793
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:36,720
Speaker 1: and there's multiple agencies involved in her search and the FBI.

794
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:43,959
Speaker 1: How did this woman slip away and create a full

795
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:46,840
Speaker 1: new life for herself, and no one could find her

796
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:48,359
Speaker 1: in the FBI can't even find her.

797
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:52,279
Speaker 2: You really want to know how to do that? Nommy?

798
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 2: You want to know how to do No?

799
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:57,520
Speaker 1: Did this woman do that? On February nineteenth of twenty

800
00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:01,319
Speaker 1: twenty six, investigators received new and formation related to the case.

801
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:03,480
Speaker 1: This is the part that I don't know. So if

802
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 1: anybody out there knows, I want to know what this

803
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 1: new information.

804
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:07,400
Speaker 2: I try to look it up. It says that it

805
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:08,360
Speaker 2: has not been released.

806
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:10,279
Speaker 1: No, there has not been released. I cannot find it.

807
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:13,000
Speaker 1: Detectives followed up on the lead and located Smith the

808
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 1: following day. I mean it was good information because they

809
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 1: found her.

810
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:19,640
Speaker 2: That was one tip. Yeah, I got any more tips

811
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:20,240
Speaker 2: for us.

812
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 1: Sergeant Disher and Detective Worli met with her face to

813
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:27,280
Speaker 1: face in North Carolina at an undisclosed location.

814
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 2: How many? How many of those original investigators have since retired?

815
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:33,319
Speaker 2: Then now they're reading the news gone what right?

816
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 1: Authorities confirmed she was alive in good health, and Smith

817
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 1: requested that her current location not be made public. I

818
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 1: think that's the part that makes me She's like, please, please,

819
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 1: don't tell anybody. Smith reportedly told investigators that she left

820
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:50,800
Speaker 1: voluntarily in two thousand and one. She said the decision

821
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:53,920
Speaker 1: was connected to domestic issues that she was experiencing at

822
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 1: the time. How however, I did read that there were

823
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:02,799
Speaker 1: no there were no phone calls or or charge like,

824
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:06,240
Speaker 1: she never called or made any complaints of domestic violence.

825
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:10,680
Speaker 1: There's there's no paper trail of any domestic violence, is

826
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:13,360
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. According to the sheriff, she did not

827
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:18,279
Speaker 1: provide detailed explanations about those issues. She's like, please don't

828
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:19,439
Speaker 1: tell anyone where I am.

829
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:21,200
Speaker 2: So what she did? Is that a crime?

830
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:23,759
Speaker 1: I don't know. So we'll get into that because I

831
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:24,919
Speaker 1: was wondering.

832
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:26,800
Speaker 2: That did the same I know you may not know.

833
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:28,879
Speaker 2: Did she go by the same name, did she change

834
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:31,760
Speaker 2: her name? Details she married, did she have new kids?

835
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 1: I don't know. These are all the questions I have

836
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 1: that I don't know. She looked like, well, there's a

837
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:39,960
Speaker 1: well there's a photo, but we'll.

838
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 2: It's her career.

839
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 1: I don't know.

840
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:44,160
Speaker 2: Let's get her on the Podcastah, can we do that?

841
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:46,960
Speaker 3: Because she wants to know where this location is and

842
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:52,239
Speaker 3: how you did it. You were like a detailed, full appointed.

843
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:54,960
Speaker 1: She could write a book How to Disappear, How to

844
00:40:55,000 --> 00:41:00,640
Speaker 1: Disappear qualification for twenty five years. Investigators also said there

845
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 1: was no previous official records documenting any kind of domestics.

846
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 2: This is a worthless case to discuss. It's more frustrating

847
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 2: than it is.

848
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:09,880
Speaker 1: No, I'm putting it out there because I'm hoping that

849
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:12,240
Speaker 1: people can give me more information or that more.

850
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:15,799
Speaker 2: There's anyone else in this undisclosed location.

851
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:19,319
Speaker 1: Please let us know. I would like her neighbor or

852
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 1: like someone out there that knows her. I would Could

853
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:23,760
Speaker 1: you please send me some messages.

854
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:25,880
Speaker 2: Photograph of her out there now or people can identify

855
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 2: or she like totally.

856
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:29,560
Speaker 1: I don't know the photograph I have. I believe it's

857
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:31,359
Speaker 1: like a glamour shot photo. So I feel like it

858
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:33,640
Speaker 1: was from two thousand lives. I don't feel like it's recent.

859
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:39,359
Speaker 2: Wait, she had kids? Yes, yes, I know. I know.

860
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:43,760
Speaker 1: So after Smith was located, investigators consulted the local District

861
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:47,360
Speaker 1: Attorney's office. See they have the same question. They're like, basical,

862
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 1: please please show us the way. Is this a crime? No?

863
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:53,360
Speaker 1: I think they contacted the DA and they're.

864
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 2: Like, why is it a crime? It's not a crime.

865
00:41:55,760 --> 00:42:00,360
Speaker 2: Official it's not like a crime law of the land. Obviously,

866
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 2: she that's what I was getting.

867
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 1: Officials considered whether any legal issues related to abandonment might apply.

868
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:10,480
Speaker 1: At the time she left, Smith had three children who

869
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:13,360
Speaker 1: remained with their father. So so far, no charges have

870
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 1: been filed. Prosecutors say the case is still being reviewed

871
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 1: and no final decisions have been made. You know what, though,

872
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:21,360
Speaker 1: this is what it makes me think. Maybe the crime

873
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Speaker 1: is because do.

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Speaker 2: You remember when, oh my gosh, is not fair. We

875
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Speaker 2: have to take care of our kids.

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Speaker 1: Yes, right, that is not fair. No, listen, let me

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Speaker 1: just I just thought of this. Remember Cherry Peppini disappeared

878
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:36,840
Speaker 1: and she faked it. She faked the whole thing, and

879
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:38,920
Speaker 1: then they had all those agencies looking for her, and

880
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 1: they spent all the time and money looking for someone

881
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:45,399
Speaker 1: that was a missing person, but she'd faked everything. That's yes,

882
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 1: it is Scherry Peppinie. But then they made her. I

883
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:51,799
Speaker 1: believe like she was responsible for retribution as far as

884
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:55,240
Speaker 1: like all the money that was spent trying to find

885
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:56,000
Speaker 1: but she.

886
00:42:55,920 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 2: Also misled law enforcement. Yeah, I understand, just disappeared. She

887
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:04,600
Speaker 2: should write a book, she should.

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00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 1: Prosecutors say the case is still being reviewed and no

889
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:09,279
Speaker 1: final decisions have been made.

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Speaker 2: Now you don't know what to do. I know they're like,

891
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:13,400
Speaker 2: is it a crime? I know the question.

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00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:17,759
Speaker 1: So Smith has a daughter named Amanda, who had previously

893
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 1: created a Facebook page dedicated to finding her mother.

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00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 2: Oh, that might have played a part in it.

895
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:25,920
Speaker 1: What do you mean I played a part in what her?

896
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:29,280
Speaker 2: Yeah? Because then someone probably sent her a message, Oh said,

897
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 2: is this your mom? She lives next door to me.

898
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:36,400
Speaker 1: She's my neighbor. After learning her mother had been found. No, Amanda,

899
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:38,880
Speaker 1: I don't think she was involved in the actual finding

900
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:40,919
Speaker 1: of her mother. She just found out after the fact

901
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:44,200
Speaker 1: that her mother was found like alive and well. Amanda

902
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 1: shared that she felt a wide range of emotions about

903
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:49,400
Speaker 1: the news. She said that she is unsure what the

904
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:51,440
Speaker 1: relationship will look like moving forward.

905
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:54,279
Speaker 2: I don't know if there her and the kids. There

906
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 2: is none, I know.

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00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:59,600
Speaker 1: I'm like, Amanda, sweetheart, I don't know if there's going

908
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:02,200
Speaker 1: to be a relationship. Your mom disappeared for twenty five

909
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:04,360
Speaker 1: years and never made an attempt to contact you, and

910
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 1: she's alive and well, and she's in an undisclosed so exactly, so,

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00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:12,120
Speaker 1: I don't know if you're going to be celebrating Mother's

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00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:13,560
Speaker 1: Day together anytime soon.

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Speaker 2: I mean sadly, right, I mean that sucks that happened

914
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:18,520
Speaker 2: to the kids, but that mom wants nothing to do

915
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:18,839
Speaker 2: with them.

916
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 1: So Amanda, this is the daughter also asked the public

917
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Speaker 1: not to make any assumptions or accusations about what had happened.

918
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:27,400
Speaker 2: Well, tell us what happened, then we won't assume anything.

919
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:31,440
Speaker 1: I don't think she knows, but she defended her father publicly,

920
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:34,400
Speaker 1: saying that her mother's disappearent should not be blamed solely

921
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 1: on their marriage. The family has asked for privacy while processing.

922
00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 2: She's had this situ for twenty five years. She's had

923
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:44,560
Speaker 2: a lot of privacy. Okay, so my theory, yeah, it

924
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 2: is doesn't answer all the questions that we just asked.

925
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:51,279
Speaker 2: But she probably disappeared like she went shopping, like she

926
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Speaker 2: planned to disappear going shopping. She probably thought, I'll disappear

927
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 2: Christmas time. I will, I will go shopping, and I

928
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 2: would everyone I'm going shopping when all along I'm going

929
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:06,359
Speaker 2: to disappear to this undisclosed location. So that way it

930
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:09,560
Speaker 2: looked like she was abduct deducted.

931
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:12,840
Speaker 1: Okay, here's the thing though, in order for her to

932
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:14,759
Speaker 1: have pulled this off and for no one to be

933
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 1: able to find her, not even the FBI, there had

934
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:19,160
Speaker 1: to have been a lot of planning that went into that,

935
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:22,720
Speaker 1: because she goes shopping and then she disappears, which means

936
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Speaker 1: she had to have had some type of residence set

937
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:26,120
Speaker 1: up somewhere.

938
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Speaker 2: She might have gonewhere who's been homeless for a while.

939
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:28,480
Speaker 2: We don't know.

940
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:31,279
Speaker 1: I don't know. I really don't know.

941
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:33,320
Speaker 2: She could have made a crime scene and then disappeared

942
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 2: the way she did and been gone forever, and then

943
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:36,440
Speaker 2: he could have been charged.

944
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:38,040
Speaker 1: Oh you mean she could have just like, you know,

945
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:40,480
Speaker 1: cut her finger and left the blood evidence like around

946
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 1: the house or something. Yeah, well she didn't do that.

947
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:45,880
Speaker 1: She just disappeared, but she did it very well.

948
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:49,759
Speaker 2: So well we may never know.

949
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:51,759
Speaker 1: No, I hope there's more information that comes out because

950
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 1: I need you to.

951
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 2: Be a documentary.

952
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 1: Well right now, there's not a lot to put in

953
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:56,279
Speaker 1: the documentary.

954
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:58,640
Speaker 2: And yeah, here's a shot.

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00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:01,399
Speaker 1: Yes he has been sound, and now we found her

956
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:04,959
Speaker 1: and she looks like the shot today, like she hasn't

957
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:08,320
Speaker 1: aged at all. She just went and hit somewhere, cryo

958
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 1: chamber somewhere just frozen in time. I don't know. We'll

959
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:13,440
Speaker 1: see all right, thank you guys so much.

960
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:15,920
Speaker 2: We know her name, yes, her name is I know

961
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:18,239
Speaker 2: I'm saying we know her name, so I don't know.

962
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 2: Can we look up her Facebook page that her daughter

963
00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:22,239
Speaker 2: set up. Yeah, we can look at that.

964
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:25,399
Speaker 1: I was going to look at that. Yeah, okay, okay,

965
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:28,440
Speaker 1: well shot, okay, we'll do that. We're gonna we'll make

966
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 1: a social clip and we'll put her glamour shots.

967
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:33,360
Speaker 2: And the clip shot was like olemas or what was.

968
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 1: Ollen Mills clamor shots? Oh, they didn't do shot. No,

969
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 1: they did it.

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00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:41,400
Speaker 2: Well, did your glam shots when you did them?

971
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Speaker 1: I did glamour shots when I was like, did you Yes?

972
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 1: When I was like eighteen or something, My sister and

973
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 1: I went and they the mall at the mall, yes,

974
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:53,799
Speaker 1: like a kiosk, Yes I did. I did, and I

975
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:56,600
Speaker 1: was so excited about it. Oh my gosh. They made

976
00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 1: our hair so big and I think I had like

977
00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:00,719
Speaker 1: a leather jacket. All we have that phone still, I

978
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:02,400
Speaker 1: don't know. I would have to ask my sister.

979
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:04,040
Speaker 2: It was because if you ever go missing and we

980
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:07,800
Speaker 2: to use that.

981
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:10,640
Speaker 1: Please do please use my glamour shots okay, all right,

982
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 1: we have to move on. We have to end this

983
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:14,920
Speaker 1: all right. Thank you guys so much for listening to

984
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:18,160
Speaker 1: Legally Brunette. We truly appreciate it, and as always, please

985
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:19,880
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986
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:22,759
Speaker 1: about the cases that we've talked about, or if you.

987
00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:26,760
Speaker 2: Have any close if.

988
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:28,560
Speaker 1: You know the undisclosed location, please let us know. Also,

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