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Speaker 1: on the show today, just heard from Dan Bayer on

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Speaker 1: his summer wish list of things to do, and he

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Speaker 1: said one thing that he has never done that he

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Speaker 1: wants to do is smoke a brisket.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 1: Now, I ask you, a man that has done pretty

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Speaker 1: much everything in the culinary world, have you smoked a brisket? Absolutely? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: That's what I told him. I said, if anyone would

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Speaker 1: know how to go out this talk to Rich.

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Speaker 3: I'm so glad you pointed him in my direction, because

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Speaker 3: this is actually something that was a little bit of

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Speaker 3: a chore learning how to do. I wasn't very good

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Speaker 3: the first two times I attempted a brisket, and what

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Speaker 3: I started doing is realizing this isn't a one day

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Speaker 3: process for me. This really kind of extends into a

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Speaker 3: two day process because I really like a long, low

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Speaker 3: smoke on a brisket. I mean, I've talked to barbecue

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Speaker 3: experts about this. Myron Mixing, a champion pitmaster from Georgia.

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Speaker 3: I've had him on a couple of different shows where

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Speaker 3: I've asked him what his style when it comes to

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Speaker 3: brisket and he goes, Listen, He's like, we're going fast

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Speaker 3: and we're going hot, and you know, he's he doesn't

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Speaker 3: even really keep a thermometer in the meat, like he

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Speaker 3: just goes and he like I said, he's a championship

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Speaker 3: winning pitmaster, so he has his way and it works

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Speaker 3: for him. But I found low and slow controlling the

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Speaker 3: temperature of the meat and then finishing it in this

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Speaker 3: is gonna sound crazy, but wrapped up in towels in

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Speaker 3: a cooler. So you once you finish smoking the meat,

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Speaker 3: you wrap it up, you insulate it really well in towels,

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Speaker 3: and then you put into a cooler that you're by

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Speaker 3: the way, it has to be a cooler that you're

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Speaker 3: not gonna you're not gonna be bothered by its smelling

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Speaker 3: like meat. For the rest of the time. You own it,

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Speaker 3: and you stuff it down in this cooler and you

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Speaker 3: let it just continue to cook in its own juices.

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Speaker 3: And when you bust that sucker out, man, oh man,

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Speaker 3: it's gonna be the most tender piece of meat you

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Speaker 3: ever slipped in your mouth. And it is. It is

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Speaker 3: the the Ornberger way. We haven't done it every ever,

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Speaker 3: ever since I discovered this new recipe, we haven't done

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Speaker 3: it any any different ever since.

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Speaker 2: Here's the thing about brisket. When it's done right.

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Speaker 1: Oh, there are a few things that are more tasty,

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Speaker 1: But when it's not done right, nothing is more ordinary

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Speaker 3: That's right.

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Speaker 1: You know what, Like you eat some brisk you know

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Speaker 1: like this is nothing. This is just meet I mean,

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Speaker 1: there's nothing. So that's the advice. I know Dan headed

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Speaker 1: out here. I'm sure he's listening right now. So Dan,

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Speaker 1: if you're going to do this, smoke the brisket, listen

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Speaker 1: to Rich. You got to go the extra mile to

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Speaker 1: get it right.

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Speaker 3: Steve, we're on the doorsteps of the summer. Yes, I

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Speaker 3: think on my Instagram account where right now? And I'll

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Speaker 3: pin it to the top of my profile. For now.

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Speaker 3: But there's uh, there's my ribs, my six hour smoked ribs.

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Speaker 2: Oh, they are so unbelievable.

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Speaker 3: I did those Memorial Day weekends. I'll pin those to

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Speaker 3: the pro at Rich Hornberger on Instagram. Dan, if you're listening, buddy,

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Speaker 3: I'm going to do an instructional video on my brisket

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Speaker 3: and h and we'll bring you to Providence. Brother.

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Speaker 1: Well, this is such great timing, too, Rich, because you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm so excited.

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Speaker 2: You know, game one of the NBA Finals.

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Speaker 1: To not today, no, no, no, tomorrow, tomorrow, but.

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Speaker 3: Get it closer. That's like NBA Finals Eve.

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Speaker 2: Okay, this is the most.

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Speaker 1: You think about. Think about all the momentum that the

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Speaker 1: NBA lost here. First of all, they had the ultimate

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry.

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Speaker 1: The Knicks are far more attractive as a matchup against

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Speaker 1: now for two weeks? Like nowhere? Blowouts in the conference finals?

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Speaker 1: Nowhere you have to lay off more time. How many

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Speaker 1: people are going to get the Thursday to me like

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Speaker 1: Thursday night, all of a sudden, they'll be flipping through.

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Speaker 2: Oh I forgot Game one of the NBA Finals. Oh

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Speaker 2: I missed the game. I just do not understand this league.

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Speaker 2: I want to bring up a quick point here.

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Speaker 1: Mark Medina, our NBA insider, actually did a show full

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Speaker 1: show with UH with Dan yesterday and uh. They were

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Speaker 1: and Chris Chrispopherred here was asking Mark a question. Now

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Speaker 1: that the NFL has said, you know, screw you, NBA,

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Speaker 1: We're gonna have games on Christmas Day, so we own

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Speaker 1: that day.

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Speaker 2: Now, he goes, and so Chris says, you know what.

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Speaker 1: What day can the NBA lake claim to like Saint

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Speaker 1: Patrick's Day? And Mark Medina said it best. He said this,

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Speaker 1: the NFL owns the NBA three hundred and sixty five

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Speaker 1: days a year.

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 4: Wow, I would like this is Austin Celtics play on

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Speaker 4: Saint Patti's day.

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Speaker 3: Okay, well, I would be actually pretty amazing.

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Speaker 2: That would be very cool. Like Thanksgiving.

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Speaker 1: It would not matter because it doesn't matter if there's

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Speaker 1: seemingly nothing happening in the NFL. Mark Madina's right, the

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Speaker 1: NFL trump's the NBA three hundred and sixty five days

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Speaker 1: a year. So the idea that you're already swimming upstream,

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Speaker 1: but now you're making it worse.

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Speaker 2: By pushing off this.

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Speaker 1: Celtics will have been off ten days, Dallas will have

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Speaker 1: been off seven days, and honestly, out of sight, out

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Speaker 3: So listen, he's one hundred percent right. And this sounds

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Speaker 3: super biased when it's coming from a former NFL player,

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Speaker 3: but I promise you I'm not saying this out of bias,

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Speaker 3: because there are a lot of things that I think

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Speaker 3: clumsy and boneheaded. But one thing that they do that

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Speaker 3: Baseball NBA certainly, is they market themselves every single month

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Speaker 3: is something important that the or excuse me, that the

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Speaker 3: NFL has scheduled that is going to steal attention from

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Speaker 3: other sports. And as a matter of fact, sometimes during

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Speaker 3: the highest points of these other sports where they're going

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Speaker 3: and you're stealing attention away from the most important times

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Speaker 3: in these other sports in the off season of the NFL.

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Speaker 3: So they've done a tremendous job dominating the twelve month calendar.

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Speaker 3: The NBA, their their fault is I think personally, they

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Speaker 3: favor of the American audience. I feel like they're a

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Speaker 3: mile wide and an inch deep. I feel like the

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Speaker 3: NFL understands like, Okay, we need to capture the American audience.

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Speaker 3: We need to dig that well well as deep as

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Speaker 3: we possibly can and find new water and refresh it

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Speaker 3: done such a great job of. And then now as

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Speaker 3: a result, it feels like when the NFL sprinkles a

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Speaker 3: or sprinkles a game in South Powall, Brazil, or sprinkles

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Speaker 3: a game in Germany. People are clamoring for it because

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Speaker 3: they see how much Americans love the sport. That's the

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Speaker 3: problem with the NBA. They are a mile wide and

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Speaker 3: great way to promote your league, at least in the

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Speaker 3: United States. Americans want to feel like they are the

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Speaker 3: full attention to them, and I don't think the NBA

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Speaker 1: Now, I will take exception one thing you said, and

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Speaker 1: that is America loves his sport. Yes, they do love football.

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Speaker 1: They just don't love the UFL. The UFL continues to

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Speaker 1: limp along, and I keep watching it because on the

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Speaker 2: They love college football though, in college football.

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Speaker 1: But the UFL has proven as did the USFL.

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Speaker 3: And with all the other like the AF it is XFL.

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Speaker 1: Is it possible to actually play the game of football

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Speaker 1: has proven well.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know why it's impossible. Why it's up there. Wow,

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Speaker 4: it's much like horse racing. You see it up there? Well,

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Speaker 4: what's on the score? Bug, Steve? You can see it? Yeah,

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Speaker 4: you can see the over under yeah, and you can

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Speaker 1: They they're literally on the watching what's on TV right today?

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Speaker 2: Football? What's not on TV today? Basketball?

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Speaker 3: What's happening?

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Speaker 1: the NBA is trumped three hundred and sixty five days

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Speaker 1: a year by the NFL. There's one sport that can

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Speaker 3: It's it's a real thing. It's envy, it's it's jealousy.

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Speaker 1: Would we have known adri Reese no if they hadn't

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Speaker 1: So when we talk about jealousy, can you give us

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Speaker 1: a little perspective of how it might be different in

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Speaker 1: the w NBA as opposed to let's just say the NBA.

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Speaker 8: You know, that moment where her teammates did not go

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Speaker 8: to help her was super disappointing. I think everybody can

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Speaker 8: agree to that. I've said since the beginning, since Diana

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Speaker 8: Tarossi's comments, that this stems from jealousy and envy.

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Speaker 9: Just like Rich said, these women.

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Speaker 8: Have been trying for a year years to put the

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Speaker 8: league on the map, get any sort of attention. So

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Speaker 8: I think it is very natural feeling that these women

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Speaker 8: are experiencing.

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Speaker 9: As this girl who wasn't the chosen one.

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Speaker 8: It wasn't like we heard about her five years ago,

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Speaker 8: six years ago, that she was gonna come up and

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Speaker 8: be this thing.

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Speaker 9: She was a lightning in a bottle two years ago.

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Speaker 8: So it came out of nowhere, and so everything Rich said,

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Speaker 8: I totally agree. The jealousy, the enviousness that we see here,

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Speaker 8: I think is a little different than the typical jealousy

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Speaker 8: among women. Women are very we're very jealous, and not

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Speaker 8: of other men. We're jealous of other women. Like women

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Speaker 8: empowering and women is not a real thing. This is

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Speaker 8: not a real thing.

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Speaker 9: Women don't like women who maybe.

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Speaker 8: Give them a challenge, you know, in certain situations. And

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Speaker 8: but I think this thing that's happening in the WNBA

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Speaker 8: is a little bit different because I kind of understand

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Speaker 8: why they're so jealous. I said to Dan Bayer a

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Speaker 8: couple of weeks ago talking about this, because we.

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Speaker 9: Have I'm talking about the WNBA, which is really great.

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Speaker 9: I agree, it's really great that I just hope.

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Speaker 8: This doesn't last too long, because there's already fans that

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Speaker 8: are like, I'm not gonna keep watching the WNBA.

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Speaker 9: If this is all this is.

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Speaker 2: Well that and that's the very point.

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Speaker 1: In other words, I'm watching because of Kaitlin Clark, right,

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Speaker 1: and you're allowing your league to mistreat right, that's the novelce.

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Speaker 1: So what the person is only watching because Kaitlin Clark

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Speaker 1: is playing and you're letting the league get away with this.

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Speaker 1: You are really turning me off. Yeah about whatever this

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Speaker 1: WNBA thing.

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Speaker 9: Is, and this didn't happen just from last night.

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Speaker 8: That has been already a sentiment that I have been

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Speaker 8: reading the last couple of you know, days, few weeks

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Speaker 8: that people that are just jumping into the WNBA, they're like,

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Speaker 8: I'm not gonna make it if this is all this

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Speaker 8: is about, Like, if we're just gonna be watching this

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Speaker 8: type of game I don't want to watch.

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Speaker 9: So I'm just I was hoping that this jealousy.

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Speaker 8: The envy, all of this would go away sooner rather

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Speaker 8: than later, and that everyone would just, you know, enjoy

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Speaker 8: what's happening in the league. Kennedy Carter is obviously still

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Speaker 8: trending along with Caitlin Clark. Their Bleacher Report has a

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Speaker 8: tweet out. I went to her page. She may have

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Speaker 8: deleted it, but basically she responded to somebody who posted

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Speaker 8: a picture of her and Camilla Cordoso following last yesterday's game,

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Speaker 8: and she responded to it and said, besides three point shooting,

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Speaker 8: what does she bring to the table? Man?

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Speaker 9: And that's not good. I went to her page. It's

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Speaker 9: not there.

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Speaker 8: That doesn't mean you didn't delete it. Nobody seems to

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Speaker 8: be saying that this is fake. There's other articles referring

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Speaker 8: to this response, like that's not good, that's not a

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Speaker 8: good coo.

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Speaker 2: I'm telling you you are.

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Speaker 1: Instead of turning people onto the WNBA, you're turning people off.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, I don't know. Listen, I hear what

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Speaker 3: you're saying, and I'm not saying it rich No, no, no, no,

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Speaker 3: I'm I'm with you like, I think that the w

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Speaker 3: NBA is having their moment man there. And even though

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Speaker 3: even though this is negative, I'm telling you and it

508
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Speaker 3: is negative, I'm not saying that there's no positives, there's

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Speaker 3: no silver linings from the standpoint of the teammates didn't

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Speaker 3: help her out, Kennedy Carter what she did on the court. Uh,

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Speaker 3: the camera catchers are saying something profane to her before

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Speaker 3: she body checks her. It was a flagrant et cetera,

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Speaker 3: et cetera, et cetera. But the w n b A

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Speaker 3: right now is trending worldwide on Twitter. When's the last

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Speaker 3: time that's happened.

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Speaker 9: You're one hundred percent right, I think.

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Speaker 8: What's what Steve and I what we're thinking is like,

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Speaker 8: this is a very small window of opportunity and you

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Speaker 8: don't want to lose it.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, right, Like there's already people being turned off.

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Speaker 1: The narrative started that they're gonna get this generational talent

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Speaker 1: that's gonna light up the scoreboard like we've never seen before,

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Speaker 1: and now ten games in her career, all we're talking

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Speaker 1: about is how much this league hates her.

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Speaker 9: No, it's not good, it's not no. No.

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Speaker 8: In fact, to Fellas, Let's let's move away from the

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Speaker 8: no and thank you Chris.

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Speaker 9: Let's start this over here.

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Speaker 8: We've got a lot of baseball going on, fellas, up

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Speaker 8: and down, up and down between the Twins and the Astros.

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Speaker 8: And it looks like Minnesota just tied the game. In Houston,

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Speaker 8: three to three, top of the sixth inning. All Red

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Speaker 8: Sox so far against the Tigers, three zero bottom of

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Speaker 8: the fourth, Braves holding on to that RBI single by

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Speaker 8: Matt Olsen in the first inning. They're beating the A's

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Speaker 8: one zero. Bottom of the fifth inning. Gunner Henderson with

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Speaker 8: his nineteenth homer of this season.

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Speaker 9: I think he's like twenty one. He's so young.

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Speaker 8: Orioles beating the race to zero bottom of the fourth inning.

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Speaker 9: Pirates in the.

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Speaker 8: Blue Jays tied out win apiece. Bottom of the third.

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Speaker 8: Diamondbacks were up, but the Mets have tied it. It's

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Speaker 8: three to three bottom of the third. In New York,

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Speaker 8: Rangers blanking the Marlins three zero.

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Speaker 9: Bottom of the fourth.

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Speaker 8: The Nationals still up on the Guardians Cleveland officially on

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Speaker 8: the scoreboard, but Nationals up four to top of the

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Speaker 8: fourth inning, White Sox blanking the Verse two zero.

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Speaker 9: They just got going on and they're.

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Speaker 8: About to start the second inning at the RBC Canadian Opened.

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Speaker 8: The leader Robert McIntyre has not teed off just yet, but.

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Speaker 9: He should any minute. He is fourteen hunder part overall.

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Speaker 8: Ryan Fox has jumped up to number two, three shots back,

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Speaker 8: and Tom Kim is now four shots back and he

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Speaker 8: is alongside Mackenzie Hughes and Ben Griffin.

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Speaker 2: Back to you guys, all right, Motzie, thank you very much.

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Speaker 1: As always, once again, this is Fox Sports Sunday, Steve

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Speaker 1: Hartban and Rich Ornberger with you.

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Speaker 3: I've been a little.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes you have a question in your head that you're

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Speaker 1: looking for an answer for and the answer ends up

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Speaker 1: being so obvious you're like, duh, And I have such

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Speaker 1: a situation right now, Rich, So I've been sitting here

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Speaker 1: with this long delay of the Lakers announcing who their

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Speaker 1: next head coach is going to be. I mean, this

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Speaker 1: is I mean, how long has it been now since

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Speaker 1: they fired darvinham was right after the playoffs they lost

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Speaker 1: in the first round. We're in the NBA Finals, they

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Speaker 1: still don't have a coach, and I'm like, duh. JJ

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Speaker 1: is part of the ABC announcing crew for the NBA Finals.

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Speaker 1: They would have to literally buy him out of his

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Speaker 1: contract in order to wrestle him away. I'm sure the

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Speaker 1: NBA is telling the Lakers, look, if you want JJ Reddick,

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Speaker 1: It's not like everyone's tripping over themselves to hire JJ Reddick.

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Speaker 1: You guys seem to be the only one interested in him.

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Speaker 1: Or dare I say Lebron once him as the head coach?

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Speaker 1: Can you at least hold off till he finishes the

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Speaker 1: work he was hired to do. I mean, you got

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Speaker 1: rid of Mark Jackson and Jeff Van Gunny and hired

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Speaker 1: JJ Reddick, who literally be in that seat for one

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Speaker 1: year because he will be the next coach of the Lakers.

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Speaker 1: I don't know why I didn't think about this until today.

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Speaker 1: I was like, what is the delay here? But it's

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Speaker 1: obvious Jj Reddick, Doris Burke, they're the commentators with Mike

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Speaker 1: Breen to call the NBA Finals, and so they just

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Speaker 1: got to wait. I'm sure the league is telling him wait,

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Speaker 1: not like you're gonna lose him to anybody else. Nobody

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Speaker 1: else thinks that JJ raikes a head coach. You guys

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Speaker 1: do go for it, but can you at least wait

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Speaker 1: until the NBA Finals are over?

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Speaker 10: Then?

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Speaker 2: You can hire this guy, right, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: That makes sense to me. Also, I mean, if we're

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Speaker 3: being perfectly honest, Lebron James is the NBA. I mean

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Speaker 3: he's as important oh yeah, oh yeah. And he's as

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Speaker 3: important a mouthpiece and sounding board for these owners, whether

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Speaker 3: they're speaking to him directly or through communicating through their

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Speaker 3: commissioner or through his agent to him as Adam Silver himself.

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Speaker 3: I mean, Lebron is the de facto general manager of

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Speaker 3: the Lakers. He's the de facto head coach of the Lakers.

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Speaker 3: He's the superstar of the second biggest market basketball team

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Speaker 3: in the in the country. He's he's the de facto

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Speaker 3: assistant commissioner to the NBA. He's the biggest face of

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Speaker 3: this league and has been for two decades, or the

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Speaker 3: better part of two decades.

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Speaker 11: You know.

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Speaker 3: Obviously he and Kobe overlapped and there were times where

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Speaker 3: Shack was able to steal spotlights from from uh Lebron James.

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Speaker 3: But he he's been a story. So I agree with you.

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Speaker 3: I think that they're going to They're going to allow

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Speaker 3: JJ Reddick to have all of the buzz continue on

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Speaker 3: through the finals and then whenever you know, that final

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Speaker 3: whistle blows. Probably a day or two later, they're going

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Speaker 3: to make the announcement. Look, JJ Reddick, if you've been

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Speaker 3: paying attention to this storyline, the Canarian the coal mine

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Speaker 3: was the ty Lou contract with the Clippers.

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Speaker 2: Yes, fourteen millionaire.

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Speaker 3: As soon as Tylu signed his big extension with the Clippers,

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Speaker 3: you knew that the Lakers were going to hire JJ

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Speaker 3: Rahick Reddick. And that's because ty Lou was he was

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Speaker 3: put in a holding pattern by Lebron and Rich Paul

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Speaker 3: and the team over at Clutch and said, listen, we're

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Speaker 3: trying to decide whether or not we think this Reddick

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Speaker 3: thing is a good idea. We're we're sort of soft

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Speaker 3: pitching it on social media, where we're letting this come

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Speaker 3: out and little media drips. People are gonna get some

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Speaker 3: sourced reports here pretty soon, and we're gonna see what

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Speaker 3: the reaction is and if it's favorable amongst Lebron fans

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Speaker 3: and Lakers fans, well then we're gonna pull the trigger.

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Speaker 3: So Tylu, you hold tight, You hold tight, don't sign

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Speaker 3: anything with the Clippers yet. But as soon as he

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Speaker 3: did to me, that was the bat signal went up.

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Speaker 3: Or I should say the Reddick symbol went up downtown LA,

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Speaker 3: and it means that JJ's got the job.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And the other duh is that Bronnie James will

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Speaker 1: be a Laker. Correct, one hundred percent will be a

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Speaker 1: LA as soon as Rich Paul represents obviously longtime friend

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Speaker 1: of Lebron now representing Bronnie made it clear to the NBA,

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Speaker 1: do not draft him unless you are going to give

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Speaker 1: him a guaranteed roster spot, which of course is not

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Speaker 1: guaranteed to do any second round pick in the NBA.

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Speaker 1: So in other words, avoid him, will sign immediately with

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Speaker 1: the Lakers, Bronni will be a Laker. That's when Lebron

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Speaker 1: will announce his extension on his deal to be a Laker,

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Speaker 1: and JJ Ridy will be the head coach. So that's

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Speaker 1: enough about them. On the other side, I do want

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Speaker 1: to talk about the passing of an all time basketball legend,

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Speaker 1: speaking of Bill Walton and his impact not just on basketball,

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Speaker 1: but what he presented to our business of broadcasting.

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Speaker 2: This is Fox Sports Sunday.

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Speaker 1: Steve Harvey, rich Ronberger, Fox Sports Sunday. It was very

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Speaker 1: sad to hear about the passing of a true basketball legend,

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Speaker 1: Bill Walton, but dare I say, Rich a broadcasting legend

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Speaker 1: very quickly, I want to sort of recap how it

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Speaker 1: is that Walton became a broadcaster. After he retired from

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Speaker 1: the Boston Celtics after the eighty seven season, he was

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Speaker 1: a little lost, as most athletes are, like what do

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Speaker 1: I do now with the rest of my life? And

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Speaker 1: he ran into Ralph Lawler, the longtime legendary voice of

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Speaker 1: the Clippers, who of course had broadcasts games for the

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Speaker 1: Clippers when Bill was playing for the Clippers, and Ralph

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Speaker 1: suggested that he get into broadcasting, which seemed like a

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Speaker 1: far fetched idea because at the time Bill Walton had

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Speaker 1: a noticeable stuttering problem. But that encouragement worked a long way,

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Speaker 1: and Bill worked with Marty Glickman, a legendary tutor to

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Speaker 1: a lot of the announcers for years that you would

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Speaker 1: see on national TV, and he got a job with

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Speaker 1: the Clippers as their TV analysts.

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Speaker 2: At the same time.

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Speaker 1: Rich is when we launched six ninety, the first all

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Speaker 1: sports station on the West Coast, and so Bill, we

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Speaker 1: were based out of San Diego, that's Bill Walton's home

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Speaker 1: always has been, and he basically begged us to put

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Speaker 1: him on shows so that he could sort of work

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Speaker 1: on his craft. So that's how I got to know Bill,

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Speaker 1: is that we would co host some shows. And again

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Speaker 1: he just wanted to get as much airtime as possible,

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Speaker 1: just sort of smooth as technique out and become a broadcaster.

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Speaker 1: But the one thing great about Ralph Lawler and Dave

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Speaker 1: Pass of course for years was his broadcast partner at ESPN.

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Speaker 1: They were so good with him because they let be Bill.

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Speaker 1: And I've always said this about Bill Walton. What you

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Speaker 1: saw is exactly.

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Speaker 2: Who he was. That is Bill Walton, has always been

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Speaker 2: Bill Walton.

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Speaker 1: Many times the term original is way overused, and if

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Speaker 1: you find out, well, that's not really original. Believe me,

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Speaker 1: there was never anyone like Bill Walton. There never will

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Speaker 1: be anyone like him. Again, a true original. Whether he

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Speaker 1: liked his style or didn't like his style, he presented

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Speaker 1: something that was entirely different than anybody else. He was

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Speaker 1: a wonderful man. He was a guy that lit up

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Speaker 1: the room. Richie, you're in the room with Bill Walton.

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Speaker 1: He loved to make people smile, which is a great thing.

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Speaker 1: And he will be sorely missed. I know he had

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Speaker 1: had colon cancer and he had been suffering. He didn't

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Speaker 1: want to call attention to it. I guess he did

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Speaker 1: his last broadcast in February and then obviously died peacefully

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Speaker 1: with his family surrounding him. He was an amazing person,

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Speaker 1: even more so than a basketball player.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this caught me off guard. And I can't say

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Speaker 3: that Bill Walton and I are friends. It's not somebody

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Speaker 3: who you know, I would call up and ask him

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Speaker 3: if you know, he wants to grab a bite to eat.

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Speaker 3: But me and him, obviously, like you, Steve, we were

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Speaker 3: in the same circles in San Diego, and so at events,

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Speaker 3: you know, baseball games, different things that I got invited

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Speaker 3: to do. I would bump into Bill all the time,

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Speaker 3: and he had a great memory, and so we would

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Speaker 3: pick up right where we left off, and he would

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Speaker 3: ask me questions about my broadcast career and the new

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Speaker 3: things that were happening with me, and you know, we

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Speaker 3: would talk about my former playing career. But the majority

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Speaker 3: of the time I spent with Bill, I spent listening

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Speaker 3: because if he, if he was anything, it was a

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Speaker 3: storyteller and long winded. So so I would sit down

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Speaker 3: and I would lock it in. I remember one time

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Speaker 3: this was a real fun, fun time. Actually, both of

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Speaker 3: the people I'm gonna mention here have passed away unfortunately.

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Speaker 3: But Peter Sidler, the former owner of the San Diego Padres,

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Speaker 3: invited me to his box to watch a game, and

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Speaker 3: Bill Walton was there, and so I can tell you

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Speaker 3: every single thing that me and Bill spoke about for

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Speaker 3: that entire game because I was fixated. I was locked in.

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Speaker 3: I promise you, I have no idea who the Padres

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Speaker 3: played against that day. I barely remember what time of

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Speaker 3: day it was, and I don't I don't ask me

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Speaker 3: what happened during the course of that game. We spoke

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Speaker 3: unbroken for three and a half hours, and I think

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Speaker 3: I said hey, Bill, and that was it. It was incredible.

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Speaker 3: But that's the type of person he was. He had

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Speaker 3: a lot to say. He had a lot of wisdom,

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Speaker 3: you know, because not only did he have this amazing

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Speaker 3: broadcast career that you were talking about, Steve, but his

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Speaker 3: two time NBA champ. He's a two time national championship

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Speaker 3: with the UCLA Bruins. He was a first overall draft pick.

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Speaker 3: He played for the then well the now former San

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Speaker 3: Diego Clippers. So he had all these interesting stories about that.

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Speaker 3: He played for the Portland Trailblazers. He won a championship

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Speaker 3: with the Boston Celtics when the Celtics were you know well,

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Speaker 3: I mean they still are kind of a super team

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Speaker 3: now with Jalen and Jason Tatum. But you get the point. Anyways,

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Speaker 3: his life it's almost like Forrest Gump, like he can

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Speaker 3: tell you his life story and every single aspect of

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Speaker 3: it was entertaining and interesting. So, yeah, as you said, Steve,

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Speaker 3: rest in peace, he was a great one. He will

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Speaker 3: be remembered that way.

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Speaker 1: Bill Walton, Yeah, I mean ESPNI just did this thirty

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Speaker 1: for thirty the Luckiest Guy.

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Speaker 2: In the World, and that was the story of Bill Walton.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if I don't know how early that

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Speaker 1: he had found out about this cancer situation, but it

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Speaker 1: almost now looks like it was a planned piece, you know,

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Speaker 1: to sort of tell his story before he passed out.

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Speaker 1: I also found it interesting because he'sed to always pop up

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Speaker 1: the Pac twelve Conference of champions and the final ever

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Speaker 1: Pack twelve event was the National was the conference baseball

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Speaker 1: championship game between USC and Arizona. Yeah, and two days later,

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Speaker 1: Bill Walton passes away. I mean it just it's some

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Speaker 1: of the things, you know, timing of crazy. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: Bill Walton was a very special person and uh and

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Speaker 1: even more so than than his basketball career, which was

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Speaker 1: really a source of frustration for him because he just

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Speaker 1: never really got to show his stuff only for brief

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Speaker 1: moments because of the injuries in his NBA career. All right, well,

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Speaker 1: on the other side, we're gonna get to these NBA

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Speaker 1: Finals whenever they actually do start, Celtics Mavericks. We're gonna

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Speaker 1: break it down for you. Which way are we leaning?

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Speaker 1: Keep it right here? This is Fox Sports Sunday, rather

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Speaker 1: than along on another.

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Speaker 2: I'm not gonna say busy. I'm not gonna say that

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Speaker 2: it's slightly busy. Slightly busy. He could could be a

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Speaker 2: lot busier, let's put it that way.

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Speaker 1: But we are here once again getting you ready for

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Speaker 1: the NBA Finals that eventually will start.

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Speaker 1: the good news. The good news is we have a

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Speaker 1: really good matchup in the NBA Finals. I mean, the

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Speaker 1: Celtics obviously have dominated this season YEP sixty four and

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Speaker 1: eighteen regular season by far the best record in the NBA.

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Speaker 1: They've lost two games in the postseason, both at home.

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Speaker 1: By the way, they haven't lost a road game yet

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Speaker 1: in this postseason. And then you have the Dallas Mavericks

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Speaker 1: a five seed. Now the Rockets once were a six

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Speaker 1: seed to win the NBA Championship, but a five seed

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Speaker 1: to the NBA Finals. I know last year, I remember

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Speaker 1: we had an eight seed Miami get all the way

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Speaker 1: to the NBA Finals, but.

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Speaker 2: A five seed out of the West to get there.

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Speaker 1: A lot of things have to go right, and it's

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Speaker 1: inter what we've seen in recent years. So either one

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Speaker 1: of these teams win rich, we're gonna have our six

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Speaker 1: different NBA champion over the last six seasons. So it's

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Speaker 1: sort of about a revolving door. But think back this.

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Speaker 1: You know, Jannis had you know, a couple of MVP awards,

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Speaker 1: and then after that he wins a championship, and then

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Speaker 1: he had the joker same thing where he had won

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Speaker 1: a couple of regular season MVPs, then the next year

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Speaker 1: he ends up winning a championship. Now, Luka danch just

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Speaker 1: hasn't been MVP, but he's certainly been an emerging star

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Speaker 1: in this league. And you wonder if if he's going

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Speaker 1: to suffer the same fate as a lot of legendary

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Speaker 1: players like a Karl Malone or a Charles Barkley and

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Speaker 1: dominant players that never win a championship because they run

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Speaker 1: up against, you know, better teams. But we don't have

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Speaker 1: a Michael Jordan right now. We don't have a Shaq

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Speaker 1: and Kobe. We don't have any of that kind of

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Speaker 1: dominance in this league anymore. It's almost like the mantle

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Speaker 1: of best players the league is being passed on from

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Speaker 1: player to player, and right now the best player in

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Speaker 1: the world is Luka Doncic. Yeah, and he is at

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Speaker 1: the top of his game. And you have a coach there,

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Speaker 1: Jason Kidd, who was a Hall of Fame player, been there,

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Speaker 1: done that, who somehow was the right voice in the

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Speaker 1: head of Kyrie irving to convince him that this can work.

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Speaker 1: Because you've been a ball dominant player. You were never

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Speaker 1: comfortable with Lebron, you were not comfortable with Kevin Durant,

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Speaker 1: you will be comfortable with Luka Doncic even though he's

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Speaker 1: the most dominant ball dominant player in this league. And somehow,

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Speaker 1: some way he got Kyrie to buy in. And so

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Speaker 1: now you have two superstar players, superstar talents in Doncichen

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Speaker 1: Irving playing at the highest level, and that's going to

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Speaker 1: be a tough duo to beat in this NBA finals.

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Speaker 3: Rich I agree. So you said a lot there, but

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Speaker 3: to focus on two of the points he made, Luka

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Speaker 3: Doncic is the best player in the league this year.

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Speaker 3: And I understand Jokic won the MVP, and that's fine,

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Speaker 3: and Jokich is a generational talent. He's an amazing big man,

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Speaker 3: and I'm not taking anything away from his game. But

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Speaker 3: at the most important part of the year, which is

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Speaker 3: the playoffs, Luka leads the league in points, rebounds, assists, steals,

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Speaker 3: field goals made, three pointers made, and free throws made.

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Speaker 3: He has dominated, and he has been consistently dominate, dominant

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Speaker 3: through these playoffs for the MAVs, and he is the

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Speaker 3: reason they've reached the finals. However, I say that, and

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Speaker 3: I do want to couch it with something else. That's

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Speaker 3: entirely important for the Mavericks to be where they are,

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Speaker 3: and that is the evolution and maturity of Kyrie Irving.

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Speaker 3: He went from being a first round draft pick with

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Speaker 3: the Cavs to playing second banana to Lebron. James could

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Speaker 3: not stand it, wanted out, wanted to strike off on

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Speaker 3: his own and be a superstar, and he did so.

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Speaker 3: And I believe his first op was the Boston Celtics,

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Speaker 3: didn't work out, and has tried in a couple of

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Speaker 3: different iterations to get his career going back on track,

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Speaker 3: and this is the first time it really feels like

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Speaker 3: he's he's playing a role that he truly belongs in,

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Speaker 3: which is back being a sidekick to a superhero. Having

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Speaker 3: his moment when Lebron and Kyrie were together together in

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Speaker 3: Cleveland and he played Batman to or excuse me, Kyrie

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Speaker 3: played Robin to Lebron's Batman. That was the best form

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Speaker 3: of Kyrie and he's doing it again. And that maturity

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Speaker 3: I give Jason Kidd a lot of credit for, but

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Speaker 3: I give Kyrie Irving a tremendous amount of credit for.

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Speaker 3: Because he's a much older player than Luca. He's been

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Speaker 3: around the block, many more times than Luca, and he's

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Speaker 3: allowing Luca to cook, and he's allowing Luca to take

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Speaker 3: all the bows, and he's truly playing that role that

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00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:07,319
Speaker 3: he was destined for that maybe he wasn't comfortable with

866
00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 3: earlier in his career.

867
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, and also he's the guy that hit the game

868
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:14,080
Speaker 1: winner in Game seven for the Cleveland Cavaliers and knock

869
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:16,640
Speaker 1: out the greatest regular season team of all time, the

870
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 1: Golden State Warriors. So it's working for Dallas, and yet

871
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:24,799
Speaker 1: you look at the Celtics and there's every reason to

872
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:28,840
Speaker 1: say the Celtics should win the series because the reason

873
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:32,359
Speaker 1: the Celtics should win this series is that their star

874
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:35,440
Speaker 1: players are two way players. They get it done at

875
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:37,960
Speaker 1: both ends of the court. They obviously have a much

876
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 1: better defense than the Dallas Mavericks. But here's the problem

877
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:44,920
Speaker 1: with that, And when people try to trump up the

878
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:47,759
Speaker 1: fact that, you know, Jaylen Brown Jason Tatum are better

879
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:51,960
Speaker 1: two way players maybe than Kyrie and Luca. Here's one

880
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:55,880
Speaker 1: thing I know, and this is true of any sport.

881
00:46:56,560 --> 00:47:04,040
Speaker 1: When you have a great offense and they are locked in, yep,

882
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:07,320
Speaker 1: there is no defense. There is no defense.

883
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 2: In other words, you know you can try Luka Doncic.

884
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:15,600
Speaker 1: Every game he plays, teams will try different strategies to

885
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:18,040
Speaker 1: stop him. He was the league's leading scorer thirty four

886
00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:20,480
Speaker 1: points a game, right so he is used to the

887
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:24,760
Speaker 1: idea that I'm going to get different looks every single game.

888
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:28,480
Speaker 1: But when he's locked in. Remember early in these playoffs

889
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 1: when he played against the Clippers, he was not playing

890
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 1: all that great. But right now the guy's locked in. Yeah,

891
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:38,400
Speaker 1: And so when it's like, you know, a great hitter

892
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:41,759
Speaker 1: is in the zone, it doesn't matter what pitchers on

893
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:43,960
Speaker 1: the mountain, he's going to hit him. You know, it

894
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 1: doesn't matter when when an offense in football is clicking

895
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:51,279
Speaker 1: and a quarterback is red hot and in rhythm, it

896
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:53,440
Speaker 1: doesn't matter what defense you're going to play, you're not

897
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:57,000
Speaker 1: going to stop him. And so this is the problem

898
00:47:57,080 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 1: for the Celtics right now. Yeah, technically they have better

899
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:04,920
Speaker 1: defense is Drew Holliday, Derek They've got great defenders. But

900
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:07,839
Speaker 1: when you have two players, two players, not just one,

901
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:11,400
Speaker 1: but two players in the zone the way Luca and

902
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:14,040
Speaker 1: Kyrie are right now, it's not gonna matter.

903
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:16,239
Speaker 2: You will not stop them.

904
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:19,320
Speaker 3: I will say this Boston right now, for good reason,

905
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:24,920
Speaker 3: They're prohibitive favorites to win the championship. I think the

906
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:29,680
Speaker 3: reason is and I said this before the playoffs began,

907
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:32,960
Speaker 3: and I'll repeat it again today. I really do feel

908
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:36,560
Speaker 3: like the West was a more talented side of the bracket,

909
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:41,880
Speaker 3: and I really do feel like not the best Western

910
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:45,560
Speaker 3: team emerged. I don't think it was the Wolves. I

911
00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:48,280
Speaker 3: think it was the Nuggets. I think the nuggets biggest

912
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:53,440
Speaker 3: problem was playoff Jamal never showed up. That's been a

913
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:57,800
Speaker 3: consistency for the Nuggets that really wasn't there this season.

914
00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:01,160
Speaker 3: And when one of your superstars is not playing to

915
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:04,600
Speaker 3: his level of superstardom during the most important part of

916
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:08,160
Speaker 3: the season, that's when things get real tough, because then

917
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:10,839
Speaker 3: the defense can put the clamps on Jokic. And that's

918
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:13,000
Speaker 3: what happened in the Timberwolve series, and we saw what

919
00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:17,279
Speaker 3: happened as a result. So I really I don't think

920
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:20,640
Speaker 3: the best Western Conference team is in the final, so

921
00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:23,160
Speaker 3: I'll say that, but I will say that the Western

922
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:26,800
Speaker 3: Conference was a more talented conference to start the playoff bracket.

923
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:30,319
Speaker 3: Now in the East, the Celtics, I don't feel like

924
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:33,160
Speaker 3: they've been tested all that well. I feel like the

925
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:35,520
Speaker 3: Celtics had an easy time because it is a less

926
00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:38,960
Speaker 3: talented side of the bracket, and they were a dominant

927
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:42,120
Speaker 3: team and kind of had their way leading up to

928
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:45,560
Speaker 3: the final. And I remember I was working with Brian

929
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:47,880
Speaker 3: no yesterday and he said something that I didn't have

930
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:50,880
Speaker 3: time to react to, but I will hear. He mentioned

931
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:54,080
Speaker 3: the fact that, well, the Celtics did struggle at times,

932
00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:58,120
Speaker 3: and yeah, you know, look, sometimes I play with my

933
00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:02,480
Speaker 3: food too. I really feel like they didn't show their

934
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:06,040
Speaker 3: best yet through these playoffs and they may get punched

935
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:08,399
Speaker 3: in the mouth here against the Mavericks, but I think

936
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:11,120
Speaker 3: the Celtics have a whole different level that they have

937
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:14,360
Speaker 3: yet to unveil because they haven't needed to through the

938
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Speaker 3: Eastern Conference playoffs.

939
00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:21,160
Speaker 1: Well, let's face it, Jason Tatum has something to prove.

940
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:25,839
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, So you have now two perennial First Team

941
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:30,240
Speaker 1: All NBA a ors in Lucadon and Jason Tatum. Luca's

942
00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:32,680
Speaker 1: been first team five straight years, Tatum in the last

943
00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:40,920
Speaker 1: three years. But for Jason Tatum, especially wearing that Celtic uniform.

944
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:45,560
Speaker 1: See there's the Dallas Bagers have won one NBA championship

945
00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:50,600
Speaker 1: in their team's history. The Celtics have won seventeen. So

946
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:55,319
Speaker 1: when you are a star player for a franchise like

947
00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:59,400
Speaker 1: the Celtics, much like the Lakers, the bar has been set.

948
00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:03,760
Speaker 1: You need to win a championship. No one cares about

949
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:07,160
Speaker 1: how many regular season games you win. No one cares

950
00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:12,120
Speaker 1: about getting to the NBA finals. It's about winning championships.

951
00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:16,000
Speaker 1: It's about Bill Russell, It's about John Halchek, It's about

952
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:19,719
Speaker 1: Dave Cowen's, it's about Larry Byrd, it's about Kevin McGale,

953
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:22,880
Speaker 1: it's even about Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce and Ray Allen.

954
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:27,560
Speaker 2: You gotta win a championship. And Tatum's had opportunities.

955
00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:30,000
Speaker 1: Six times in the last eight years, the Celtics have

956
00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:34,279
Speaker 1: made it to at least the Eastern Conference Finals. And

957
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:37,600
Speaker 1: when you look back at Tatum, how bad he played

958
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:39,839
Speaker 1: against the Warriors in the finals a couple years ago.

959
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:43,120
Speaker 2: He played bad. Yeah, he played really bad.

960
00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:46,240
Speaker 1: And then last year the Celtics almost became the first

961
00:51:46,239 --> 00:51:49,160
Speaker 1: team in NBA history to overcome a three to zero deficit.

962
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:51,440
Speaker 1: They were at home game seven. Rich Remember we were

963
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:53,840
Speaker 1: talking about this is unbelievable. It's finally gonna happen. No

964
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:54,480
Speaker 1: way they're going to.

965
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:58,040
Speaker 2: Lose the eighth seed eat at home and he gets hurt.

966
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:02,439
Speaker 1: Sort of yeah, and then it was like that Game

967
00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:04,359
Speaker 1: seven and it just got away from them.

968
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:06,439
Speaker 2: And then afterwards they blamed it on Tatum again.

969
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:10,480
Speaker 3: Ye, he needs if he's gonna be.

970
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:16,200
Speaker 2: Considered a legit Celtic legend. Got to happen in the series.

971
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:20,319
Speaker 3: I forget who asked the question, but I remember, and

972
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:23,480
Speaker 3: everybody remembers who was paying attention to the series. A

973
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:28,960
Speaker 3: reporter asking Anthony Edwards and Carl Anthony Towns about whether

974
00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:33,960
Speaker 3: or not the Timberwolves need to face more heartache before

975
00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:38,319
Speaker 3: they can truly win a final and accomplish and you know,

976
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:40,640
Speaker 3: a deep run in the postseason, et cetera, et cetera,

977
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:44,560
Speaker 3: and Carl Anthony Towns and Anthony Edwards, I mean, and

978
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:48,120
Speaker 3: it was a hysterical sound clip, but they basically laughed

979
00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:51,360
Speaker 3: this guy out of the room. They're like they were like, damn,

980
00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:53,200
Speaker 3: like what do we gotta do? Like we lost in

981
00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:55,719
Speaker 3: the playoffs last year? Like that isn't that bad enough?

982
00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:59,879
Speaker 3: Doesn't that qualify? And and I understand the reason why

983
00:52:59,880 --> 00:53:04,120
Speaker 3: the question was asked, because what you're talking about is

984
00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:07,480
Speaker 3: a hunger Steve. That only exists inside of an athlete

985
00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:11,440
Speaker 3: when they've failed at a higher level than the Timberwolves

986
00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:14,360
Speaker 3: have failed at when you have a taste of what

987
00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:18,200
Speaker 3: it might be. When the confetti falls for a different

988
00:53:18,239 --> 00:53:21,080
Speaker 3: team and you're on the losing end of a Super Bowl,

989
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:24,960
Speaker 3: when the Larry O'Brien is being hoisted and you're across

990
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:28,040
Speaker 3: the hardwood from the team enjoying that moment and you've

991
00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:31,040
Speaker 3: given all you could for whatever it was, five game,

992
00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:34,359
Speaker 3: six game, seven games, and it's not you, it's them

993
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:38,160
Speaker 3: being exalted. When a Stanley Cup is being you know,

994
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:41,480
Speaker 3: lapped around the ice and you're on the other side

995
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:45,960
Speaker 3: of the glass. Those moments they build character. Now, for

996
00:53:46,040 --> 00:53:48,600
Speaker 3: some people, they can destroy you, and it can put

997
00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:50,920
Speaker 3: you in a shell, and it can make you a

998
00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:53,120
Speaker 3: different player, and you may be gun shy and all

999
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:56,440
Speaker 3: those things. But for other players, I think Jason Tatum

1000
00:53:56,520 --> 00:53:59,400
Speaker 3: is one of these guys. It builds a fire inside

1001
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:03,200
Speaker 3: of you and on your shoulder that until you get there,

1002
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:07,080
Speaker 3: until you get to experience that the work's not done.

1003
00:54:07,160 --> 00:54:09,759
Speaker 3: And I kind of feel like this is Jason Tatum's year.

1004
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:14,640
Speaker 1: Will the Celtics get back In the conversation by winning

1005
00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:17,880
Speaker 1: a championship. We're gonna talk about where their place is

1006
00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:21,200
Speaker 1: currently in the world of sports.

1007
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:23,320
Speaker 2: This is Fox Sports Sunday.

1008
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:27,400
Speaker 1: Steve Harbin and Rich Arnberger Fox Sports Sunday. We are

1009
00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:30,600
Speaker 1: live from the tire rack dot Com studios.

1010
00:54:30,719 --> 00:54:35,040
Speaker 2: Now Dan Bayer of all people, Rich set me off yesterday.

1011
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:36,640
Speaker 3: Oh wow, what do he do?

1012
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:39,760
Speaker 2: So Dan's doing the show with Mark Medina leading into

1013
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:41,760
Speaker 2: the show I was doing with Monsey yesterday.

1014
00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:45,000
Speaker 1: Uh huh, Moncey and I got a couple bonus hours yesterday.

1015
00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:47,959
Speaker 3: Okay, how many? How many hours were you in Moncy.

1016
00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:50,200
Speaker 2: On four hours instead of our normal too.

1017
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:51,120
Speaker 3: There you go, Sony.

1018
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:55,400
Speaker 1: I'm listening to Dan and Mark beforehand, and Dan comes

1019
00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:59,360
Speaker 1: out and his question was a tease, was do the

1020
00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:03,000
Speaker 1: Celtics have any cachet anymore?

1021
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:05,960
Speaker 2: And so I'm anxious to hear what he had to

1022
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:06,560
Speaker 2: say about this.

1023
00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:09,279
Speaker 1: So he's talking about the Celtics brand isn't what he

1024
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:11,640
Speaker 1: used to be and I'm like, yeah, I agree with

1025
00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:14,720
Speaker 1: you on that, and he goes, but the Laker brand

1026
00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:19,240
Speaker 1: is stronger than ever and I'm like, what I'm losing

1027
00:55:19,239 --> 00:55:19,600
Speaker 1: it here?

1028
00:55:20,239 --> 00:55:23,600
Speaker 2: And so then I started thinking about this. Why is

1029
00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:29,520
Speaker 2: it that a certain team or a certain.

1030
00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:34,360
Speaker 1: Individuals suddenly becomes the it factor team or individual in sports.

1031
00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:36,360
Speaker 2: And we're learning this right now with Caitlin Clark.

1032
00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:39,720
Speaker 1: I mean, there was just something about Caitlin Clark's game

1033
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:43,440
Speaker 1: that set in motion where we stand today. Even though

1034
00:55:43,480 --> 00:55:47,040
Speaker 1: she's obviously not even an elite WNBA player, she is

1035
00:55:47,160 --> 00:55:50,120
Speaker 1: the star by far of that league. So I'm thinking

1036
00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:53,200
Speaker 1: about this, and I kept saying it this way. The

1037
00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:58,280
Speaker 1: Celtics were stars not because of Bill Russell, not because

1038
00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:01,600
Speaker 1: of Larry Bird. They were star because of Redd Ourbach.

1039
00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:06,880
Speaker 1: He was a very polarizing figure the Lakers. Was it

1040
00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:09,600
Speaker 1: about Magic? Was it about Kareem? Was it about Kobe? No,

1041
00:56:09,640 --> 00:56:13,240
Speaker 1: it was about Jerry Buss. He set the whole tone

1042
00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:16,640
Speaker 1: for show Time. If you watch that show Winning Time,

1043
00:56:16,719 --> 00:56:18,239
Speaker 1: By the way, there was a guy that did the

1044
00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:22,680
Speaker 1: talk show hosts on there that was he was just outstanding. Actually,

1045
00:56:22,719 --> 00:56:26,520
Speaker 1: I got three more residual chicks, two for eight dollars, one.

1046
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:28,919
Speaker 2: For six, and excellent right to the bank with those.

1047
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:31,840
Speaker 1: But if you watch that show, the one thing it

1048
00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:36,040
Speaker 1: did well is represent just the power of Redd Ourbach

1049
00:56:36,080 --> 00:56:39,360
Speaker 1: and Jerry Boss. They were the stars. They had to

1050
00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:44,040
Speaker 1: figure out a way to sort of set the temperament,

1051
00:56:44,640 --> 00:56:48,000
Speaker 1: the personality of their franchises and then find the right

1052
00:56:48,080 --> 00:56:50,160
Speaker 1: players to fit well well.

1053
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:53,440
Speaker 3: Hang on, time out those two and I do understand

1054
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:56,920
Speaker 3: they were integral pieces of what made the Laker and

1055
00:56:56,960 --> 00:57:02,239
Speaker 3: Celtics brands go. They were not. In fact, what they

1056
00:57:02,320 --> 00:57:07,319
Speaker 3: did is what any good team owner or great should do,

1057
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:13,160
Speaker 3: and that's make the players the superstars. Think about what

1058
00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:17,320
Speaker 3: red Auerbach did during his time in charge of the Celtics.

1059
00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:22,600
Speaker 3: Think about what bust Doctor Bus did with the Lakers.

1060
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:26,200
Speaker 3: He made sure Doctor Buss in the case of the Lakers,

1061
00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:31,000
Speaker 3: he made sure that Magic Johnson was the guy. He

1062
00:57:31,240 --> 00:57:34,080
Speaker 3: was the guy, he was the thing, you know, and

1063
00:57:34,120 --> 00:57:37,120
Speaker 3: he surrounded him with superstars and he made the pieces

1064
00:57:37,120 --> 00:57:39,760
Speaker 3: fit as best he can. And I know that you

1065
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:45,320
Speaker 3: know the biopic, the Winning Time biopic that you were in,

1066
00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:50,280
Speaker 3: did you know maybe some greater justice or maybe diminished

1067
00:57:50,320 --> 00:57:53,200
Speaker 3: him at different times, depending on what part of his

1068
00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:56,640
Speaker 3: life they were focusing on. But what was true to

1069
00:57:56,920 --> 00:58:00,520
Speaker 3: form as it was in reality in the television show

1070
00:58:01,080 --> 00:58:04,520
Speaker 3: was he was a great understanding of what people were

1071
00:58:04,560 --> 00:58:07,480
Speaker 3: showing up to the arena for. They were showing up

1072
00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:11,080
Speaker 3: for entertainment value. They were showing up for stardom. They

1073
00:58:11,120 --> 00:58:14,600
Speaker 3: were showing up to be seen at a scene, especially

1074
00:58:14,600 --> 00:58:18,640
Speaker 3: in a city like la And so he got it.

1075
00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:21,760
Speaker 3: And to be perfectly honest with you, and I know,

1076
00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:24,240
Speaker 3: there's a lot that can be said about Genie Buss

1077
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:27,160
Speaker 3: and the way she's managed the Lakers from an ownership standpoints,

1078
00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:30,520
Speaker 3: and she's taken over. She gets it too, because she

1079
00:58:30,720 --> 00:58:34,840
Speaker 3: attracted the biggest star the NBA has in his waning

1080
00:58:34,920 --> 00:58:39,080
Speaker 3: years to come to Los Angeles and to lead this

1081
00:58:39,240 --> 00:58:44,080
Speaker 3: three ring circus, and she somehow kept him involved and

1082
00:58:44,240 --> 00:58:47,280
Speaker 3: interested and he may end up retiring a Laker as

1083
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:48,040
Speaker 3: a result of it.

1084
00:58:48,120 --> 00:58:54,280
Speaker 1: All right, So the question is this, and maybe my perspective,

1085
00:58:54,320 --> 00:58:56,840
Speaker 1: certainly on red auerback's a little different than yours, because

1086
00:58:56,880 --> 00:58:59,880
Speaker 1: you know, I'm that era. I mean, believe me that

1087
00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:03,680
Speaker 1: Cigar was the annoyance of the league.

1088
00:59:04,200 --> 00:59:04,600
Speaker 3: I got it.

1089
00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:08,240
Speaker 1: I mean he was a polarizing figure. I mean the Celtics.

1090
00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:10,600
Speaker 1: Here's the thing, you know, and you played with a

1091
00:59:10,640 --> 00:59:14,240
Speaker 1: franchise that had that cachet for two decades, the New

1092
00:59:14,280 --> 00:59:17,320
Speaker 1: England Patriots. Either you're all in, are you're all against?

1093
00:59:17,680 --> 00:59:20,000
Speaker 1: I mean, no one's on the fence. I mean, you know,

1094
00:59:20,120 --> 00:59:23,320
Speaker 1: during the Tom Brady era in New England, no one

1095
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:26,880
Speaker 1: had no opinion. Either you were like, I love them

1096
00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:29,680
Speaker 1: or I hate them. And that's the way the Celtics

1097
00:59:29,680 --> 00:59:31,760
Speaker 1: always were, and that's how the Lakers were. He've had

1098
00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:36,440
Speaker 1: two franchises each win seventeen championships. I mean, they've completely

1099
00:59:36,480 --> 00:59:39,439
Speaker 1: dominated the history of the NBA. But both of them

1100
00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:42,400
Speaker 1: have been an idol for a long time. Red Auerbach

1101
00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:44,640
Speaker 1: passed away in two thousand and six. The Celtics have

1102
00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:49,040
Speaker 1: won one championships since Jerry Buss passed away in twenty thirteen.

1103
00:59:49,080 --> 00:59:52,680
Speaker 1: They won one Bubble championship. Since they haven't.

1104
00:59:52,440 --> 00:59:53,080
Speaker 2: Been that great.

1105
00:59:53,720 --> 00:59:57,040
Speaker 1: There are other teams that have far but the Lakers.

1106
00:59:57,040 --> 00:59:59,160
Speaker 1: I would agree with you on this. The reason the

1107
00:59:59,240 --> 01:00:02,360
Speaker 1: Lakers have had more attention than the Celtics is one person,

1108
01:00:02,480 --> 01:00:06,520
Speaker 1: Lebron James, of course, and Genie Buss. And I will

1109
01:00:06,520 --> 01:00:09,200
Speaker 1: say this for Genie Bus. She's a smart business person.

1110
01:00:09,280 --> 01:00:11,640
Speaker 1: I'm a big fan of Genie. I know how she operates.

1111
01:00:12,640 --> 01:00:15,480
Speaker 1: The fact is, even though the Lakers in her eleven

1112
01:00:15,600 --> 01:00:18,080
Speaker 1: years as the owner of this team have missed the

1113
01:00:18,120 --> 01:00:21,520
Speaker 1: playoffs entirely seven times, twice have been eliminated in the

1114
01:00:21,560 --> 01:00:24,760
Speaker 1: first round. Once got to Western Conference Finals where they

1115
01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:26,920
Speaker 1: got blown out in fours ray games, and they won

1116
01:00:26,960 --> 01:00:30,800
Speaker 1: a Bubble championship. And they have far greater value today

1117
01:00:31,320 --> 01:00:33,680
Speaker 1: than they did to the day her father passed away.

1118
01:00:34,120 --> 01:00:37,120
Speaker 1: So from a business standpoint, things are good. I'm just

1119
01:00:37,120 --> 01:00:39,720
Speaker 1: thinking from a fans standpoint. I mean, we talk about

1120
01:00:39,720 --> 01:00:42,360
Speaker 1: this with the Dallas Cowboys all the time. Why are

1121
01:00:42,360 --> 01:00:44,960
Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys a team that's not only not won

1122
01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:47,520
Speaker 1: a Super Bowl, they haven't been to a conference championship

1123
01:00:47,560 --> 01:00:51,160
Speaker 1: game since the ninety five season. Relevant Jerry Jones, He's

1124
01:00:51,200 --> 01:00:54,240
Speaker 1: a lightning rod. People have an interest in Jerry Jones.

1125
01:00:54,600 --> 01:00:56,760
Speaker 1: They had an interest in Al Davis. There are certain

1126
01:00:56,880 --> 01:01:01,120
Speaker 1: people in that you know, that have that kind of

1127
01:01:01,160 --> 01:01:04,640
Speaker 1: cloud that even are not participating. Look, I understand the

1128
01:01:04,680 --> 01:01:08,880
Speaker 1: players make the games, but every once saw George Steinbrenner

1129
01:01:08,920 --> 01:01:11,600
Speaker 1: the Yankees, I mean, the Yankees haven't won a serious

1130
01:01:11,600 --> 01:01:12,160
Speaker 1: since ow Night.

1131
01:01:12,440 --> 01:01:14,800
Speaker 2: Is there as much buzz about the Yankees to day?

1132
01:01:15,200 --> 01:01:16,760
Speaker 1: Right now, they have the best record in the Americle

1133
01:01:16,840 --> 01:01:19,360
Speaker 1: League than there was during the George Steinbrenner era.

1134
01:01:19,960 --> 01:01:20,840
Speaker 3: No way, No.

1135
01:01:21,600 --> 01:01:25,320
Speaker 1: And so these owners or they there's certain owners that

1136
01:01:25,520 --> 01:01:29,200
Speaker 1: are lightning rods, and and That's why, in my opinion,

1137
01:01:29,760 --> 01:01:33,000
Speaker 1: the Lakers and the Celtics do not both of them.

1138
01:01:33,040 --> 01:01:35,080
Speaker 1: I agreed to when Dan when he was talking about

1139
01:01:35,120 --> 01:01:37,919
Speaker 1: the Celtics, but I thought the Lakers aren't where they.

1140
01:01:37,880 --> 01:01:42,080
Speaker 3: Used to be. Oh no, no, Well, listen, it is

1141
01:01:42,400 --> 01:01:47,280
Speaker 3: very easy to look at a situation like the Cowboys

1142
01:01:47,440 --> 01:01:50,479
Speaker 3: and draw a comparison to Red Auerbach and say, Jerry

1143
01:01:50,560 --> 01:01:53,320
Speaker 3: Jones is a star. Yeah, there's no question about it.

1144
01:01:53,400 --> 01:01:57,640
Speaker 3: But during Jerry Jones' ownership of the Cowboys, he's had

1145
01:01:57,680 --> 01:02:01,120
Speaker 3: em At Smith and Troy Aikman. He's had Tony Romo,

1146
01:02:01,280 --> 01:02:07,240
Speaker 3: and he's had Dez Bryan and Michael Irvin and Dak

1147
01:02:07,400 --> 01:02:11,720
Speaker 3: Prescott and Zeke Elliott and you know the Ceedee Lamb

1148
01:02:11,800 --> 01:02:14,480
Speaker 3: is a recent star on his team. You know, he's

1149
01:02:14,520 --> 01:02:17,480
Speaker 3: had these Micah Parsons, Sean Lee. You know, there have

1150
01:02:17,560 --> 01:02:20,520
Speaker 3: been great defenders, great offensive players throughout the course of

1151
01:02:20,560 --> 01:02:23,240
Speaker 3: time where he's been the I'm and I'm forgetting I'm blaming.

1152
01:02:23,280 --> 01:02:28,160
Speaker 3: I'm there's a dozens more that have been superstars. The

1153
01:02:28,280 --> 01:02:31,400
Speaker 3: consistency is the fact that he understands how to get

1154
01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:34,520
Speaker 3: people under the circus tent, and so does Jeanie Buss.

1155
01:02:34,520 --> 01:02:37,680
Speaker 3: And Doctor Buss before her, and so do the Celtics

1156
01:02:37,680 --> 01:02:40,600
Speaker 3: as well. Now, don't get me wrong, I do think

1157
01:02:40,680 --> 01:02:44,600
Speaker 3: that the Celtics brand has been diminished some and maybe

1158
01:02:44,640 --> 01:02:48,480
Speaker 3: more so than the Lakers. But it's because the Lakers

1159
01:02:48,520 --> 01:02:52,640
Speaker 3: win and did something after the Lonzo Ball fiasco where

1160
01:02:53,040 --> 01:02:55,400
Speaker 3: Magic Johnson was back in the fold as a player

1161
01:02:55,840 --> 01:03:00,160
Speaker 3: talent evaluator and Rob Polinka was cutting his teeth as

1162
01:03:00,160 --> 01:03:03,840
Speaker 3: a general manager after relinquishing his role as a sports

1163
01:03:03,840 --> 01:03:06,919
Speaker 3: agent in the league, and you have LeVar Ball all

1164
01:03:06,960 --> 01:03:10,920
Speaker 3: over televisions, trumpeting and showcasing his children to the world.

1165
01:03:11,440 --> 01:03:13,560
Speaker 3: I mean, once they got through that and they moved

1166
01:03:13,560 --> 01:03:17,360
Speaker 3: on to Lebron James, things stabilized and from a business standpoint,

1167
01:03:17,560 --> 01:03:20,480
Speaker 3: you can definitely see how things have benefited the Lakers.

1168
01:03:20,800 --> 01:03:23,200
Speaker 3: They are the tippy top over the past couple of

1169
01:03:23,280 --> 01:03:26,640
Speaker 3: years in terms of merchandise sales team wide and then

1170
01:03:26,680 --> 01:03:29,960
Speaker 3: specifically because of Lebron James. And then, like I said,

1171
01:03:30,040 --> 01:03:32,240
Speaker 3: eventually he is going to retire and that is going

1172
01:03:32,280 --> 01:03:35,240
Speaker 3: to be the number one story in all of sports

1173
01:03:35,280 --> 01:03:38,680
Speaker 3: whenever he does his farewell tour. But in the meantime,

1174
01:03:38,800 --> 01:03:42,280
Speaker 3: the Celtics have been good. They haven't been great. They've

1175
01:03:42,320 --> 01:03:45,640
Speaker 3: been very good. Though, the problem is they don't have

1176
01:03:45,680 --> 01:03:49,080
Speaker 3: a Lebron James. The problem is they don't have a

1177
01:03:49,200 --> 01:03:57,200
Speaker 3: Luka or a Yannis. They don't have a novitzkya Nikola Jokic.

1178
01:03:57,600 --> 01:04:01,720
Speaker 3: They don't have a superstar? Are that Leam Tatum who's.

1179
01:04:01,520 --> 01:04:04,040
Speaker 1: Been All NBA First Team the last three years in

1180
01:04:04,040 --> 01:04:05,800
Speaker 1: a row. On the other side, I want to get

1181
01:04:05,840 --> 01:04:09,480
Speaker 1: into that what is missing? What is missing that doesn't

1182
01:04:09,520 --> 01:04:12,760
Speaker 1: allow Tatum to be in that conversation. But first let's

1183
01:04:12,760 --> 01:04:16,160
Speaker 1: find out what is trending right now. And you know,

1184
01:04:16,240 --> 01:04:19,200
Speaker 1: Manzi was thinking about you, Rich, Yeah, what's up? Well,

1185
01:04:19,240 --> 01:04:22,320
Speaker 1: I mean, she brought in some breakfast food. She she's

1186
01:04:22,360 --> 01:04:24,640
Speaker 1: never sure if you're going to actually physically be here.

1187
01:04:24,960 --> 01:04:27,080
Speaker 3: I know I'll be home, I know, so.

1188
01:04:28,240 --> 01:04:30,400
Speaker 1: Even though it'll be a couple of days old. You

1189
01:04:30,840 --> 01:04:32,000
Speaker 1: want to mail that to him?

1190
01:04:32,280 --> 01:04:36,400
Speaker 3: Actually yeah, no, no, no, no, Mazies, get a ziploc.

1191
01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:38,680
Speaker 8: Bag, okay, okay, and then.

1192
01:04:38,720 --> 01:04:40,960
Speaker 3: I will text you my address because the last time

1193
01:04:40,960 --> 01:04:44,200
Speaker 3: I gave my address out on on over there, that

1194
01:04:44,280 --> 01:04:46,920
Speaker 3: was a mistake, and uh, it was a big mistake.

1195
01:04:47,200 --> 01:04:49,040
Speaker 3: Had a lot of visitors, a lot of very kind people,

1196
01:04:49,160 --> 01:04:52,280
Speaker 3: a lot of great, Papa, stop out the door. But

1197
01:04:52,840 --> 01:04:55,160
Speaker 3: I will uh and then and then I will uh,

1198
01:04:55,440 --> 01:04:57,160
Speaker 3: and then I'll eat it a couple of days from now.

1199
01:04:57,240 --> 01:04:59,360
Speaker 3: You just make sure you're sending the by the way,

1200
01:04:59,440 --> 01:04:59,880
Speaker 3: I've seen it.

1201
01:05:00,320 --> 01:05:02,200
Speaker 8: Just send me your address and I'll uber eats you

1202
01:05:02,240 --> 01:05:07,120
Speaker 8: a fresh burrito, no problem, no problem, because let's be real,

1203
01:05:07,400 --> 01:05:09,440
Speaker 8: you know somebody will eat the burrito here if I

1204
01:05:09,440 --> 01:05:10,120
Speaker 8: have an extra one.

1205
01:05:10,120 --> 01:05:11,479
Speaker 3: That's actually a very good point.

1206
01:05:11,920 --> 01:05:13,640
Speaker 9: We don't have to worry about it going to waste,

1207
01:05:13,720 --> 01:05:14,400
Speaker 9: that is for sure.

1208
01:05:14,480 --> 01:05:16,680
Speaker 8: But I would feel very I would feel terrible if

1209
01:05:16,680 --> 01:05:18,240
Speaker 8: I brought something you were here and I didn't bring

1210
01:05:18,240 --> 01:05:20,480
Speaker 8: you one. So I always think you're coming and then

1211
01:05:20,520 --> 01:05:22,160
Speaker 8: I'll figure out who eats it later.

1212
01:05:22,320 --> 01:05:24,160
Speaker 2: You know, you never knows.

1213
01:05:24,560 --> 01:05:30,760
Speaker 5: And say hey, I call you sometimes text BOXI yeah, yeah,

1214
01:05:31,360 --> 01:05:33,160
Speaker 5: this is This is probably a little on me because

1215
01:05:33,160 --> 01:05:35,000
Speaker 5: I see Monci at the end of the my shift

1216
01:05:35,040 --> 01:05:35,680
Speaker 5: on Saturday.

1217
01:05:35,720 --> 01:05:38,680
Speaker 4: But I always in the morning ask Rich, hey are

1218
01:05:38,680 --> 01:05:41,000
Speaker 4: you going to be in La or San Diego today?

1219
01:05:41,440 --> 01:05:43,960
Speaker 4: And I never I need to start relaying that to Mansi.

1220
01:05:44,200 --> 01:05:44,840
Speaker 9: It would be great.

1221
01:05:46,040 --> 01:05:48,400
Speaker 3: I mean, I've said practice sport and I'll say it again.

1222
01:05:48,440 --> 01:05:50,919
Speaker 3: It's all Chris's faults.

1223
01:05:51,680 --> 01:05:55,720
Speaker 12: I blame blame I blame him as well, even though

1224
01:05:55,760 --> 01:05:58,040
Speaker 12: his Detroit Tigers have just come alive.

1225
01:05:58,120 --> 01:06:00,560
Speaker 8: They are now beating the Red Sox Chris to three

1226
01:06:00,600 --> 01:06:02,120
Speaker 8: after being down three runs.

1227
01:06:02,120 --> 01:06:03,640
Speaker 3: It's the bottom of the seventh inning.

1228
01:06:03,960 --> 01:06:07,200
Speaker 8: The Twins have retaken the lead thanks to Hose Miranda's

1229
01:06:07,240 --> 01:06:09,840
Speaker 8: go ahead RBI double. They're beating the Astros four to

1230
01:06:09,920 --> 01:06:13,120
Speaker 8: three in Houston. Bottom of the eighth inning. The A's

1231
01:06:13,200 --> 01:06:15,920
Speaker 8: have now tied the games, Zach Yeloff with a tying

1232
01:06:16,080 --> 01:06:18,720
Speaker 8: home run. They are tied with the Braves in Atlanta

1233
01:06:18,760 --> 01:06:20,520
Speaker 8: one at piece. Bottom of the seventh. I don't know

1234
01:06:20,520 --> 01:06:22,000
Speaker 8: if I said Did I just say that right, bo

1235
01:06:22,480 --> 01:06:24,680
Speaker 8: ge Off? Yes, okay, great. I always ask Poe how

1236
01:06:24,720 --> 01:06:26,960
Speaker 8: to say things, because you know, names are hard.

1237
01:06:27,240 --> 01:06:29,360
Speaker 9: The Orioles are still beating the Race three to two.

1238
01:06:29,400 --> 01:06:32,120
Speaker 9: Bottom of the seventh. The Blue Jays beating the Pirates

1239
01:06:32,160 --> 01:06:32,800
Speaker 9: four to three.

1240
01:06:32,840 --> 01:06:33,920
Speaker 3: Top of the sixth inning.

1241
01:06:34,200 --> 01:06:36,400
Speaker 8: Mets still on top of New York against the Diamondbacks

1242
01:06:36,440 --> 01:06:38,320
Speaker 8: four to three. Top of the seventh. The Range are

1243
01:06:38,400 --> 01:06:41,200
Speaker 8: still blanking the Marlins four zero. Top of the eighth.

1244
01:06:41,320 --> 01:06:44,240
Speaker 9: The Nationals are beating the Guardians five two, top of.

1245
01:06:44,160 --> 01:06:46,280
Speaker 12: The eighth, and the White Sox and Brewers have been

1246
01:06:46,320 --> 01:06:48,880
Speaker 12: back and forth, with Milwaukee back on top four to

1247
01:06:48,920 --> 01:06:51,760
Speaker 12: three bottom of the fifth, The Padres Royals tied out

1248
01:06:51,760 --> 01:06:53,720
Speaker 12: one apiece top of the sixth, and the Reds all

1249
01:06:53,760 --> 01:06:56,680
Speaker 12: over the Cubs, blanking them five zero bottom of the fifth.

1250
01:06:57,000 --> 01:07:00,600
Speaker 12: The fourth round at the Canadian Open continues. We're American

1251
01:07:00,640 --> 01:07:03,080
Speaker 12: and Tyre back in the lead, all alone fourteen hunderd

1252
01:07:03,080 --> 01:07:05,760
Speaker 12: par overall, but but Kenzie Hughes was tied with him

1253
01:07:05,840 --> 01:07:09,120
Speaker 12: is now one shot back, Ryan Fox, Ben Griffin two

1254
01:07:09,160 --> 01:07:12,040
Speaker 12: shots back from the lead and in the WNBA. Of course,

1255
01:07:12,080 --> 01:07:16,240
Speaker 12: we're still talking about the Chicago and the Indiana Fever

1256
01:07:16,320 --> 01:07:19,640
Speaker 12: game last night. Kennedy Carter's foul that was committed away

1257
01:07:19,640 --> 01:07:22,240
Speaker 12: from the ball against Caitlin Clark, the league announced today

1258
01:07:22,240 --> 01:07:24,760
Speaker 12: that after review, they are going to upgrade it from a.

1259
01:07:24,720 --> 01:07:26,440
Speaker 9: Common found to a flagrant foul.

1260
01:07:26,640 --> 01:07:28,880
Speaker 8: Carter will not be fine, but Angel Reese will be

1261
01:07:28,920 --> 01:07:31,560
Speaker 8: fined one thousand dollars for Chicago for failing to make

1262
01:07:31,560 --> 01:07:32,760
Speaker 8: herself available to the media.

1263
01:07:32,800 --> 01:07:35,320
Speaker 9: They're also finding the Chicago organization five.

1264
01:07:35,120 --> 01:07:37,840
Speaker 8: Thousand dollars for failing to comply with the league media

1265
01:07:37,920 --> 01:07:39,840
Speaker 8: policies back to you, guys.

1266
01:07:40,080 --> 01:07:41,440
Speaker 2: I still when.

1267
01:07:41,240 --> 01:07:45,200
Speaker 1: You watch that play, Yeah, how is she not fine?

1268
01:07:45,440 --> 01:07:45,760
Speaker 6: Right?

1269
01:07:45,920 --> 01:07:51,200
Speaker 1: I mean seriously, I mean Kayla Clark is literally blindsided

1270
01:07:51,560 --> 01:07:55,040
Speaker 1: like Carter who puts her on the ground.

1271
01:07:54,800 --> 01:07:56,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, in front of an official.

1272
01:07:56,640 --> 01:07:56,960
Speaker 9: Yeah.

1273
01:07:57,000 --> 01:07:59,400
Speaker 8: And then that shot of her just staring at her

1274
01:07:59,760 --> 01:08:01,040
Speaker 8: look like Jason.

1275
01:08:00,760 --> 01:08:03,320
Speaker 9: Momola and that meme he's like going to prance on.

1276
01:08:03,280 --> 01:08:05,360
Speaker 1: Some right, And then you got Angel rees on the

1277
01:08:05,360 --> 01:08:10,560
Speaker 1: bench jumping up, cheering it on. I'm like, really, yeah,

1278
01:08:10,760 --> 01:08:13,240
Speaker 1: I mean there's you would not get away with that

1279
01:08:13,320 --> 01:08:13,960
Speaker 1: in the NBA.

1280
01:08:14,160 --> 01:08:14,800
Speaker 8: No, you would not.

1281
01:08:15,240 --> 01:08:18,200
Speaker 2: No, No, you would be false.

1282
01:08:18,800 --> 01:08:21,160
Speaker 3: Also a star like I mean, think about I guess

1283
01:08:21,240 --> 01:08:23,960
Speaker 3: a comparable star Lebron James, you would sell the flop

1284
01:08:24,200 --> 01:08:26,799
Speaker 3: like I mean, like Lebron James. He would be writhing

1285
01:08:26,840 --> 01:08:31,200
Speaker 3: around on the ground. O melbow. Oh, he would be

1286
01:08:31,240 --> 01:08:33,759
Speaker 3: looking at the officials like, I mean, are you gonna

1287
01:08:33,800 --> 01:08:35,720
Speaker 3: call this? I mean, I look at me, look at me.

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Speaker 3: I can bear me boo.

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Speaker 1: And earlier Reeves got away with a full on, deliberate

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Speaker 1: elbow to the gut of Kaylen Clark.

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Speaker 13: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I just I don't know what the wm A is

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Speaker 1: gonna have to figure this out.

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Speaker 2: Real, real soon.

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Speaker 1: All right, once again, Steve Hartman Rich Ornberger Fox Sports

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Speaker 1: Sunday were live from the tire rack dot Com studios.

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Speaker 1: I would I want to detour just briefly away from

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Speaker 1: the NBA for a moment, to steer to the NFL,

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Speaker 1: since the NFL does own the w the NBA, not

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Speaker 1: the WNBA, the NBA, three hundred and sixty five days

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Speaker 1: a year. Tampering is on the table this week, Rich,

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Speaker 1: that's right. So the Atlanta Falcons are accused of tampering

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Speaker 1: in the Kirk Cousins situation and the Eagles. That's right, Bo,

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Speaker 1: your Eagles tampering in the Saquon Barkley situation. Now, remember

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Speaker 1: we've had Remember the Dolphins forfeited a first round pick.

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Speaker 2: Remember there was all that talk about tampering.

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Speaker 1: With Tom Brady and Sean Payton and they ended up

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Speaker 1: forfeiting a first and a third. Chiefs back in the

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Speaker 1: day had to give up a third and a sixth

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Speaker 1: tampering on Jeremy Macklin back of the day. I just

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Speaker 1: I want to get your thought on this whole tampering.

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure this whole thing out. We know

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Speaker 1: that agents talk. What is allowable here? Can you explain

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Speaker 1: this to us when we talk about tampering if if

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Speaker 1: it the team is having conversations with an agent or

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Speaker 1: a friend of a friend. I'm trying to figure out

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Speaker 1: where exactly do you draw the line where you say

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Speaker 1: they've crossed that line?

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Speaker 3: All right, So, essentially my understanding of tampering rules in

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Speaker 3: the NFL are if a player is under contract, basically

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Speaker 3: any way you reach out to them is illegal. If

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Speaker 3: you are a sports franchise, a general manager, an owner,

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Speaker 3: a coach with a different team in the NFL, you

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Speaker 3: are not allowed to speak to a player who's currently

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Speaker 3: under contract with a different franchise. Now, obviously we know

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Speaker 3: there's gray area to this rule that everybody to a

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Speaker 3: greater or lesser extent exploits. You know, maybe there are

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Speaker 3: some chance encounters that come up, Maybe there are some

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Speaker 3: conversations with a player's agent, Like Saquon Barkley's agent doesn't

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Speaker 3: only represent Saquon Barkley. He also represents other players on

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Speaker 3: the Philadelphia Eagles, for example. So if somebody's reaching out

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Speaker 3: to Saquon Barkley's agent to speak to him about Saquon Barkley, illegal,

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Speaker 3: no good he's a New York Giant. However, if they're

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Speaker 3: reaching out to Saquon Barkley's agent to speak to them

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Speaker 3: about a different player, maybe a player they currently have

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Speaker 3: on their roster, then that's completely within the rules. And oh,

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Speaker 3: by the way, if something should come up, like, hey,

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Speaker 3: by the way, wink wink, if there are any other

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01:11:34,520 --> 01:11:37,439
Speaker 3: players you know have interested wink wink in playing for

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01:11:37,479 --> 01:11:40,160
Speaker 3: the Philadelphia Eagles, wink wink, you make sure you let

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Speaker 3: us know. Okay, bye bye, Like those conversations obviously happen,

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Speaker 3: And there's gray area there where you break the rules

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01:11:47,800 --> 01:11:51,559
Speaker 3: is when you do it ostentatiously, meaning when there is

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Speaker 3: public proof that a owner, a coach, a general manager,

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Speaker 3: a player personnel director has stepped outside of the normal

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01:12:03,880 --> 01:12:08,559
Speaker 3: gray area to court a player to their team. That's

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Speaker 3: when you get in trouble. And that's the reason why

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Speaker 3: the Atlanta Falcons and the Philadelphia Eagles got dinged.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and they're gonna come down with something this week.

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Speaker 1: I mean that's pretty steep. I mean the Dolphins again

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Speaker 1: lost a first and a third. Yeah, and for people

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Speaker 1: they didn't even get Yeah, Tom Brady.

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Speaker 3: And Shot baydon I mean you talk about double Wabbie at.

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Speaker 1: Least Atlanta got Kirk Cousins at least, you know, so,

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Speaker 1: I mean this this is I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes the NFL does things.

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Speaker 1: I can't understand why certain infractions are so serious.

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Speaker 2: It's like the gambling thing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean a year long suspension for players because

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Speaker 1: they they pen on an NBA game on the premises,

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Speaker 1: I mean, what are we talking about?

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Speaker 2: Some of these rules just never makes sense to me.

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Speaker 3: Here here's what's crazy.

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Speaker 1: Four game suspension of Tom Brady for what to flate gate.

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Speaker 2: I mean, are you kidding?

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Speaker 3: If you don't make these these fines and these penalties significant,

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Speaker 3: then it would be open season. And now we haven't

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Speaker 3: seen this yet, but it can happen. Like we've seen

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Speaker 3: draft picks obviously, you know a team will get doctor

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Speaker 3: draft picks and that can be that's a hefty cost

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Speaker 3: to pay. We've seen fines which are kind of like

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Speaker 3: a drop of water in the ocean when you really

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Speaker 3: think about how much money all these NFL teams make.

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Speaker 3: So the fines aren't really that bad in terms of,

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Speaker 3: you know, the the discipline. But how about this, this

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Speaker 3: is something that can happen in validation of a contract

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Speaker 3: so you can actually have a situation where the league,

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Speaker 3: if there is enough support around how outside the lines

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Speaker 3: a team colored, you could have a situation where the

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Speaker 3: league decides that we are going to invalidate the trade

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Speaker 3: or the signing of the free agent contract between the

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Speaker 3: Falcons and the and the quarterback you know, Kirk Cousins,

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Speaker 3: or the trade between the Giants and or the signing

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Speaker 3: of the free agent between Saquon Barkley and the and

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Speaker 3: the Philadelphia Eagles. And you may have a situation where

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01:14:11,360 --> 01:14:14,920
Speaker 3: you gotta you've gotta go start from scratch with your backfield,

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Speaker 3: or you know, I guess in the case of the

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Speaker 3: of the h the Atlanta Falcons, you're gonna have to

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Speaker 3: hustle up and start your rookie quarterback who you drafted

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Speaker 3: eighth or ninth overall. So it is a situation where

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Speaker 3: there there is that that side of the coin where

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Speaker 3: if you step too far outside the lines, they can

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Speaker 3: really hurt you. It hasn't happened, at least not in

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Speaker 3: recent memory. So my guess is the Eagles and the

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Speaker 3: Falcons are going to be docked a couple of draft

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Speaker 3: picks apiece, and then they're gonna move on all.

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Speaker 1: Right, speaking and moving on, a lot of teams around

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Speaker 1: the NFL are trying to move on a quarterback. But

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Speaker 1: are we showing too much of a spotlight on these

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Speaker 1: guys even before they take the field in an actual game.

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Speaker 2: We'll break it down.

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Speaker 1: This is Fox Sports soun Steve Harvey and rich Oronberger

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01:15:02,160 --> 01:15:05,040
Speaker 1: here Fox Sports Sunday Live from the tai Iraq dot

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Speaker 1: Com studios. So, three years ago, in the twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: one NFL Draft, five quarterbacks taken in the first fifteen picks.

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Speaker 2: Four of those five quarterbacks are no longer with the

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Speaker 2: teams that drafted them. Three years later got correct. So

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Speaker 2: how did the NFL react this year?

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Speaker 1: How about six quarterbacks in the first twelve picks never

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01:15:25,160 --> 01:15:28,960
Speaker 1: happened before. I mean they've gone, They've doubled down and

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Speaker 1: then some in terms of using the highest picks possible

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Speaker 1: to take a quarterback that they hope, hope is going

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Speaker 1: to be that guy.

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Speaker 2: It's going to be the next Patrick Mahomes.

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Speaker 1: So the Chicago Bears had the number one overall pick

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Speaker 1: and they took Caleb Williams, no surprise there, and then

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Speaker 1: he went out and OTA's had a really bad practice.

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Speaker 2: Everybody was talking about this horrible like he was just interceptions.

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01:15:56,479 --> 01:15:58,679
Speaker 2: He didn't have a clue of what he was doing.

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Speaker 2: It was big news. I'll tell you what was in

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Speaker 2: big news.

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Speaker 1: Friday, they had a practice where he went up against

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Speaker 1: the bears number one defense. He was thirteen to fifteen

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Speaker 1: passing and one of the incompletions, by the way, was

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Speaker 1: a pass.

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Speaker 2: Interference call against the defense.

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Speaker 1: I'm anxious to see how this is going to play

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01:16:17,360 --> 01:16:19,400
Speaker 1: out now that it's been determined the Bears are going

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01:16:19,479 --> 01:16:24,200
Speaker 1: to be on hard knocks and understand again about the

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Speaker 1: quarterback position for the Bears. The greatest Bears quarterback ever

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01:16:27,720 --> 01:16:32,120
Speaker 1: was sid Luckman played in the nineteen forties, led him

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01:16:32,160 --> 01:16:33,760
Speaker 1: to four NFL championships.

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Speaker 2: Jim McMahon had a moment. He just couldn't stay healthy.

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Speaker 3: That's it. That's it.

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Speaker 1: The one thing they're talking about early on with Caleb

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Speaker 1: Williams right now is that he has this tendency to

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01:16:44,240 --> 01:16:45,759
Speaker 1: hang onto the ball too long.

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Speaker 2: That sounds like Justin Fields. That's the same that Justin

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Speaker 2: Fields had a problem with. That's why he got sacks

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01:16:51,720 --> 01:16:54,000
Speaker 2: so many times. He didn't get rid of the ball.

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Speaker 1: But I just wanted to bring up a bigger point here,

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01:16:58,080 --> 01:17:02,920
Speaker 1: idea of these quarterbacks and the intense spotlight and the

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01:17:02,960 --> 01:17:07,479
Speaker 1: scrutiny that every single day brings out of the National

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01:17:07,520 --> 01:17:12,000
Speaker 1: Football League, over analyzing over you know, the takes are

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01:17:12,040 --> 01:17:16,720
Speaker 1: just insane based on a small sample size. I just

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01:17:17,080 --> 01:17:20,479
Speaker 1: I can't imagine what it be like. And I know

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01:17:20,520 --> 01:17:22,439
Speaker 1: there's some people say, well, what do they care they're

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01:17:22,479 --> 01:17:26,559
Speaker 1: making millions millions, Eh.

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01:17:25,960 --> 01:17:27,439
Speaker 2: No, you're human.

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01:17:28,000 --> 01:17:30,280
Speaker 1: I mean, it doesn't matter how many zeros are in

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01:17:30,320 --> 01:17:33,840
Speaker 1: your bank account because you're on the field, you're trying

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01:17:33,840 --> 01:17:36,240
Speaker 1: to do things. I can't imagine rich what it's like

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01:17:36,320 --> 01:17:39,519
Speaker 1: now for these quarterbacks. And every year it gets worse

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01:17:39,560 --> 01:17:42,639
Speaker 1: and worse, the scrutiny gets more and more and more

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01:17:42,640 --> 01:17:46,360
Speaker 1: because there's just so much at stake to eventually be

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01:17:46,520 --> 01:17:49,719
Speaker 1: that guy, especially when you have the bar set so high,

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01:17:49,880 --> 01:17:51,800
Speaker 1: first with the Tom Brady and now that guy is

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01:17:51,840 --> 01:17:55,679
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes, and I just can't imagine what a guy

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01:17:55,720 --> 01:17:58,840
Speaker 1: like Caleb Williams, especially with the added spotlight coming up

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01:17:59,040 --> 01:17:59,880
Speaker 1: with the hard knocks.

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Speaker 3: Well, listen, it's it's difficult. And I experienced this to

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01:18:04,760 --> 01:18:09,960
Speaker 3: a very minimal level comparatively, but when you have attention

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01:18:10,160 --> 01:18:15,880
Speaker 3: on you as a professional athlete and you're scrutinized before

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01:18:15,920 --> 01:18:19,759
Speaker 3: you even step onto a football field. It's a weird

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01:18:19,840 --> 01:18:22,320
Speaker 3: feeling because you're like, wait a second, Like why am

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01:18:22,360 --> 01:18:27,519
Speaker 3: I being blamed because somebody else thinks that somebody should

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01:18:27,560 --> 01:18:30,760
Speaker 3: have been drafted instead of me? Like, I mean, and

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01:18:30,760 --> 01:18:32,960
Speaker 3: that's a real thing. It happened with me as a

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01:18:33,000 --> 01:18:36,200
Speaker 3: fourth rounder. It certainly will happen with a first of

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01:18:36,400 --> 01:18:40,000
Speaker 3: all draft pick. People will hate you before you even

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Speaker 3: take the field. So it's it's a strange thing. You know.

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Speaker 3: Somebody might say, well, you know, I mean, gosh, we

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01:18:46,760 --> 01:18:49,920
Speaker 3: should have we shouldn't have taken Caleb Williams, we should

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01:18:49,920 --> 01:18:52,320
Speaker 3: have taken one of these other It's like, well, okay, yeah,

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01:18:52,439 --> 01:18:56,400
Speaker 3: you could have and the organization didn't. But does that

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01:18:56,479 --> 01:19:01,560
Speaker 3: mean that Caleb Williams needs or deserves to be criticized

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01:19:01,800 --> 01:19:06,040
Speaker 3: or scrutinized unfairly before he throws a football for the franchise? No,

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01:19:06,640 --> 01:19:10,639
Speaker 3: but that's not how fans react, and every person handles

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01:19:10,640 --> 01:19:14,760
Speaker 3: that differently. For me, I just ignored it completely. You know,

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Speaker 3: I never read comments. I never I never thought about it.

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01:19:20,160 --> 01:19:23,439
Speaker 3: I just moved on with my day. For quarterback, it's

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01:19:23,439 --> 01:19:29,000
Speaker 3: a lot more difficult because you are obviously the face

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01:19:29,080 --> 01:19:32,880
Speaker 3: of an organization when you're the starting quarterback. So maybe

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01:19:32,880 --> 01:19:35,920
Speaker 3: to a greater or lesser extent, he can't avoid seeing

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01:19:36,000 --> 01:19:38,799
Speaker 3: some of this stuff. But that would be my advice

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01:19:38,920 --> 01:19:41,800
Speaker 3: to any quarterback or any rookie who's going through this.

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01:19:42,320 --> 01:19:44,240
Speaker 3: You've got to find a way to ignore the noise

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01:19:44,360 --> 01:19:46,760
Speaker 3: and concentrate on keeping the main thing, the main thing,

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01:19:47,000 --> 01:19:49,840
Speaker 3: which is playing football to the highest ability you're capable of.

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Speaker 1: I think Kaylea Williams is that guy. He seems to

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01:19:52,200 --> 01:19:55,240
Speaker 1: have the right temperament. Now, Drake may in New England,

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01:19:55,439 --> 01:19:57,320
Speaker 1: he's also getting ripped by his own coach.

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01:19:57,720 --> 01:19:59,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, Dre Mayo is.

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01:19:59,840 --> 01:20:02,680
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, he's got a long way to go. He

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01:20:02,800 --> 01:20:05,679
Speaker 2: got a long way. Well that doesn't help.

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Speaker 1: Come on, man, I just showed up and already you're

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01:20:08,960 --> 01:20:11,760
Speaker 1: putting doubt in the mind of our Patriots fans. So

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be It's gonna be interesting, as it always

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Speaker 1: is every single year. You gotta believe of these six quarterbacks, one, yep,

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Speaker 1: one at least.

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Speaker 2: Is going to be that guy.

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01:20:26,040 --> 01:20:28,320
Speaker 1: We just have to figure out which one that is

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01:20:28,360 --> 01:20:30,040
Speaker 1: going to be all right. Coming up on the other side.

1504
01:20:30,040 --> 01:20:33,000
Speaker 1: We've got much more NFL news. Obviously, we're getting ready

1505
01:20:33,000 --> 01:20:35,479
Speaker 1: for the NBA Finals, and we're gonna check in with

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Speaker 1: the legend himself, John Paul Morosi.

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Speaker 2: This is Fox Sports Sunday.

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Speaker 1: Having plenty of fun here on this Sunday, even if

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01:20:42,920 --> 01:20:46,320
Speaker 1: we're still a long long ways away from Game one

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Speaker 1: Weillbnsider will be Johnny's coming up here in about about

1518
01:21:09,600 --> 01:21:12,680
Speaker 1: twenty minutes or so, and also he'll give us the

1519
01:21:12,720 --> 01:21:15,800
Speaker 1: latest on the Stanley Cup playoffs that are going on

1520
01:21:15,920 --> 01:21:19,240
Speaker 1: right now as they get ready for the Stanley Cup Finals.

1521
01:21:19,520 --> 01:21:23,880
Speaker 1: It's the NBA Finals and the Stanley Cup Final.

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01:21:24,880 --> 01:21:28,040
Speaker 2: And I think I've had this conversation with you Rich.

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01:21:28,320 --> 01:21:33,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, when you think about it, Stanley Cup final makes

1524
01:21:33,640 --> 01:21:39,720
Speaker 1: sense because there's only one final, right, But you say, well, no,

1525
01:21:39,840 --> 01:21:44,720
Speaker 1: the NBA Finals means there's multiple games. So if you

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01:21:44,800 --> 01:21:48,080
Speaker 1: were to have to make the ultimate decision and labeling

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01:21:48,160 --> 01:21:53,759
Speaker 1: it the final versus finals, which way would you lean?

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01:21:54,439 --> 01:21:56,760
Speaker 3: Boy? I mean, in the realm of things that I

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01:21:56,800 --> 01:21:59,840
Speaker 3: really don't care about, this ranks softully high. But if

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01:21:59,840 --> 01:22:06,200
Speaker 3: I guess, I guess considering the semantics, I lean.

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01:22:06,360 --> 01:22:09,040
Speaker 2: I figure you're like a wordsmith.

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01:22:08,680 --> 01:22:11,839
Speaker 3: No I but I'm not a I'm not a grammar

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01:22:12,000 --> 01:22:14,800
Speaker 3: whether they call it grammar police guy. So I guess

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01:22:14,840 --> 01:22:17,759
Speaker 3: I guess I would lean towards It makes more sense

1535
01:22:17,800 --> 01:22:20,360
Speaker 3: if you say it's the final, because really it's just

1536
01:22:20,479 --> 01:22:25,160
Speaker 3: shortening the phrase it's the final series, it's the NBA

1537
01:22:25,320 --> 01:22:28,760
Speaker 3: Final series because the playoff bracket is built up of

1538
01:22:28,800 --> 01:22:31,960
Speaker 3: the seven game series. So you know, so in the

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01:22:32,000 --> 01:22:35,640
Speaker 3: Stanley Cup Final, you're just shortening. You know what, we

1540
01:22:35,640 --> 01:22:37,559
Speaker 3: got to move on. I got crossing.

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01:22:37,640 --> 01:22:41,479
Speaker 1: Well, the reason I was giving you a ridiculous question

1542
01:22:41,680 --> 01:22:46,200
Speaker 1: is I'm still going over this ridiculous NBA Finals schedule.

1543
01:22:46,320 --> 01:22:47,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, here, let me hear it.

1544
01:22:47,800 --> 01:22:50,600
Speaker 1: So Game one, after what is going to be a

1545
01:22:50,960 --> 01:22:55,040
Speaker 1: ten day layoff for the Celtics and a seven day

1546
01:22:55,160 --> 01:22:55,720
Speaker 1: layoff for.

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01:22:55,680 --> 01:22:58,320
Speaker 3: The Mavericks, Well, they need their rest, we'll finally.

1548
01:22:58,000 --> 01:23:02,040
Speaker 1: Get underway in Boston on So you would think, all right,

1549
01:23:02,120 --> 01:23:04,280
Speaker 1: so you got game one, take a day off, Game

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01:23:04,320 --> 01:23:05,320
Speaker 1: two on Saturday.

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01:23:05,600 --> 01:23:09,439
Speaker 2: No, Game two is on Sunday, so there's.

1552
01:23:09,280 --> 01:23:13,840
Speaker 1: No travel day. So you've waited that long to play

1553
01:23:13,880 --> 01:23:16,599
Speaker 1: a game, and then you have to take the next

1554
01:23:16,600 --> 01:23:20,639
Speaker 1: two days off, and so then you play game two

1555
01:23:20,800 --> 01:23:24,759
Speaker 1: on Sunday. Yeah, now you wait two more days off.

1556
01:23:25,560 --> 01:23:29,400
Speaker 1: Game three is on Wednesday. Now the only games where

1557
01:23:29,400 --> 01:23:32,360
Speaker 1: there's only one day in between is between games three

1558
01:23:32,400 --> 01:23:35,040
Speaker 1: and four. Both those games are in Dallas. Then you

1559
01:23:35,160 --> 01:23:37,880
Speaker 1: got another two days off before a game, another two

1560
01:23:37,920 --> 01:23:39,880
Speaker 1: days off before a game, another two days off. I

1561
01:23:39,880 --> 01:23:46,840
Speaker 1: mean this, this final potentially today is June second. The

1562
01:23:47,000 --> 01:23:52,360
Speaker 1: NBA Finals Game seven is scheduled for June twenty third.

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01:23:52,520 --> 01:23:55,160
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this, what are the odds that

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01:23:55,280 --> 01:23:57,880
Speaker 1: you and I will be sitting here three weeks from

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01:23:57,960 --> 01:24:02,160
Speaker 1: now still talking about the NBA Finals.

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01:24:02,479 --> 01:24:07,040
Speaker 3: I mean, it's possible, because let's put it this way,

1567
01:24:07,280 --> 01:24:10,519
Speaker 3: I think the Mavericks probably need to come out the

1568
01:24:10,560 --> 01:24:13,040
Speaker 3: gates hot in order for that to be the case.

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01:24:13,560 --> 01:24:15,759
Speaker 3: I don't think this is gonna be a situation where

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01:24:16,120 --> 01:24:18,599
Speaker 3: the Mavericks are gonna be able to survive going down,

1571
01:24:18,920 --> 01:24:21,960
Speaker 3: you know, two to zero, you know, and then battling back.

1572
01:24:22,040 --> 01:24:24,640
Speaker 3: So I think it would. It would really have to

1573
01:24:24,680 --> 01:24:27,880
Speaker 3: be because Dallas roared out the gates and then the

1574
01:24:27,920 --> 01:24:30,880
Speaker 3: Celtics got caught on the heels and they're fighting out

1575
01:24:30,880 --> 01:24:34,240
Speaker 3: of their corner a little bit. But yeah, I would

1576
01:24:34,360 --> 01:24:37,479
Speaker 3: give it at this point because I do think that

1577
01:24:37,640 --> 01:24:40,840
Speaker 3: Boston's gonna handle the Mavericks. I would. I would give

1578
01:24:40,840 --> 01:24:43,720
Speaker 3: it about a thirty percent probability. In three weeks we're

1579
01:24:43,760 --> 01:24:45,799
Speaker 3: still talking about the NBA Final.

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01:24:45,880 --> 01:24:49,000
Speaker 1: I agree with you, by the way, and you know,

1581
01:24:49,080 --> 01:24:53,519
Speaker 1: as you know, Moncey Belagno's our own. Moncey a month ago,

1582
01:24:54,720 --> 01:24:57,280
Speaker 1: not a week ago, not two weeks ago, not three

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01:24:57,320 --> 01:25:01,680
Speaker 1: weeks ago, four weeks ago picked the Dallas Mavericks to

1584
01:25:01,680 --> 01:25:06,679
Speaker 1: win the NBA Championship after they eliminated her Los Angeles Clippers. Wow,

1585
01:25:06,920 --> 01:25:09,960
Speaker 1: So I mean you talk about no sterudamis unbelievable.

1586
01:25:10,600 --> 01:25:11,639
Speaker 3: Now she owns a crystal.

1587
01:25:11,880 --> 01:25:13,400
Speaker 2: Now I've helped her along the way.

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01:25:14,880 --> 01:25:17,639
Speaker 1: So she was forcing me a couple of weeks ago

1589
01:25:17,720 --> 01:25:20,120
Speaker 1: as we were getting ready for the game seven that

1590
01:25:20,200 --> 01:25:23,320
Speaker 1: night between the Tea Wolves and the Nuggets to go

1591
01:25:23,439 --> 01:25:25,360
Speaker 1: on the record, who are you picking to win the

1592
01:25:25,400 --> 01:25:26,360
Speaker 1: NBA Championship?

1593
01:25:26,400 --> 01:25:30,000
Speaker 2: I said, well, it will be the Denver Nuggets.

1594
01:25:30,080 --> 01:25:32,080
Speaker 1: Okay, the Nuggets are going to go back to back,

1595
01:25:32,960 --> 01:25:35,280
Speaker 1: and then they proceeded to blow a twenty point lead

1596
01:25:35,439 --> 01:25:38,400
Speaker 1: at home in the third quarter in a Game seven,

1597
01:25:38,680 --> 01:25:40,559
Speaker 1: and so they were eliminated. So you know how I

1598
01:25:40,560 --> 01:25:44,040
Speaker 1: can just eliminate people. So yesterday we also made our predictions.

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01:25:44,080 --> 01:25:48,880
Speaker 1: She has the Mavericks in six and I picked the

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01:25:48,920 --> 01:25:53,519
Speaker 1: Celtics in seven, clearing the way for her to.

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01:25:55,560 --> 01:25:58,000
Speaker 2: Be correct in her prediction. But think about this.

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01:25:58,760 --> 01:26:03,639
Speaker 1: The Celtics in their open series against the Heat lost

1603
01:26:03,680 --> 01:26:06,639
Speaker 1: Game two at home. They did the exact same thing

1604
01:26:06,680 --> 01:26:09,960
Speaker 1: against the Cavs, and they should have lost Game one

1605
01:26:10,040 --> 01:26:11,559
Speaker 1: at home against the Pacers.

1606
01:26:11,920 --> 01:26:13,280
Speaker 2: The Pacers had that game.

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01:26:13,439 --> 01:26:16,640
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, So you really got to look at this

1608
01:26:16,720 --> 01:26:19,839
Speaker 1: first game in Boston and I would say the odds

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01:26:19,920 --> 01:26:23,160
Speaker 1: are very much in the favor of the Mavericks in

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01:26:23,240 --> 01:26:26,160
Speaker 1: Game one. I just got to believe ten days off,

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01:26:26,200 --> 01:26:30,080
Speaker 1: how these coaches prepare. You don't have ten days off

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01:26:30,120 --> 01:26:32,840
Speaker 1: at any point of the season, not during the All

1613
01:26:32,880 --> 01:26:37,719
Speaker 1: Star break if you're coaching the Celtics right now.

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01:26:37,960 --> 01:26:39,360
Speaker 2: Because I've always told that story.

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01:26:39,400 --> 01:26:41,719
Speaker 1: What happened to the Lakers back in nineteen eighty nine

1616
01:26:41,800 --> 01:26:44,600
Speaker 1: they were going for a three peat. Michael Thompson was

1617
01:26:44,600 --> 01:26:46,200
Speaker 1: on the team at that time, and he said what

1618
01:26:46,280 --> 01:26:49,679
Speaker 1: happened was the Lakers swept through all three rounds before

1619
01:26:49,680 --> 01:26:51,720
Speaker 1: they got to the NBA Finals. They were getting ready

1620
01:26:51,760 --> 01:26:54,679
Speaker 1: for a rematch against the Pistons, and pat Rolly wanted

1621
01:26:54,720 --> 01:26:57,960
Speaker 1: a panic mode and they had like this ten day layoff,

1622
01:26:58,400 --> 01:27:01,560
Speaker 1: and so he basically put him through boot camp, and

1623
01:27:01,640 --> 01:27:05,280
Speaker 1: guess what happened, Magic got hurt, Piring got hurt, and

1624
01:27:05,320 --> 01:27:07,439
Speaker 1: the Lakers ended up getting swept by the Pistons.

1625
01:27:07,840 --> 01:27:10,600
Speaker 2: So if you're coaching the Celtics.

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01:27:10,160 --> 01:27:13,240
Speaker 1: Right now, because they had the three extra days, how

1627
01:27:13,280 --> 01:27:18,040
Speaker 1: are you handling a ten day layoff to get ready

1628
01:27:18,120 --> 01:27:20,759
Speaker 1: for a critical game one at.

1629
01:27:20,560 --> 01:27:22,320
Speaker 2: Home at the NBA Finals.

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01:27:22,600 --> 01:27:26,439
Speaker 3: Well, I'm not changing as much as you'd think. I'm

1631
01:27:26,479 --> 01:27:29,120
Speaker 3: definitely going to give them time off their feet, and

1632
01:27:29,160 --> 01:27:31,400
Speaker 3: they may have already had some of that while they're

1633
01:27:31,400 --> 01:27:33,680
Speaker 3: waiting to see who their next opponent was going to

1634
01:27:33,720 --> 01:27:35,160
Speaker 3: be out of the West.

1635
01:27:35,240 --> 01:27:37,040
Speaker 2: Well, they've already been off for six days.

1636
01:27:37,720 --> 01:27:39,960
Speaker 3: But I will say that the way I would handle

1637
01:27:39,960 --> 01:27:44,440
Speaker 3: it is I'd simulate a couple of games interspersed throughout

1638
01:27:44,800 --> 01:27:48,040
Speaker 3: the couple or the week and a half layoff. I

1639
01:27:48,800 --> 01:27:53,240
Speaker 3: would have certain practices where we would get prepared closer

1640
01:27:53,680 --> 01:27:56,479
Speaker 3: to how we would get prepared for an actual game,

1641
01:27:56,960 --> 01:27:59,800
Speaker 3: and then we'd scrimmage. Now, again, you're not looking to

1642
01:27:59,840 --> 01:28:03,479
Speaker 3: get anybody hurt, so we're not going to have a

1643
01:28:03,600 --> 01:28:08,120
Speaker 3: scrimmage that's going to you know, completely replicate game speed,

1644
01:28:08,160 --> 01:28:11,040
Speaker 3: and we're not going to look to get too physical

1645
01:28:11,120 --> 01:28:13,200
Speaker 3: with our star players and things like that and will

1646
01:28:13,240 --> 01:28:16,519
Speaker 3: limit the amount of time that they have on their legs.

1647
01:28:17,320 --> 01:28:20,080
Speaker 3: But we're we're gonna give them some good hard looks.

1648
01:28:20,120 --> 01:28:22,120
Speaker 3: We're gonna we're gonna do some of the things that

1649
01:28:22,200 --> 01:28:25,000
Speaker 3: the Mavericks are going to do with the Scout team

1650
01:28:25,439 --> 01:28:27,920
Speaker 3: or with you know, a mixed scrimmage where you have

1651
01:28:28,000 --> 01:28:30,920
Speaker 3: some of the guys playing for you know, you split

1652
01:28:31,040 --> 01:28:32,800
Speaker 3: up your stars at times, you know, you have some

1653
01:28:32,840 --> 01:28:34,720
Speaker 3: of the guys playing with the twos, some of the

1654
01:28:34,720 --> 01:28:37,519
Speaker 3: guys playing with the ones, and you actually have like

1655
01:28:37,560 --> 01:28:43,000
Speaker 3: a lively game like practice where you can replicate some

1656
01:28:43,520 --> 01:28:46,760
Speaker 3: of what you're gonna see when the series, when the

1657
01:28:46,840 --> 01:28:49,960
Speaker 3: series gets underway. That's the only way to break up

1658
01:28:50,000 --> 01:28:54,640
Speaker 3: the monotony of a long layoff is actually playing the

1659
01:28:54,680 --> 01:28:57,680
Speaker 3: sport and playing the sport at a high level, at

1660
01:28:57,760 --> 01:29:00,800
Speaker 3: least in moments, because if you don't, you're gonna be

1661
01:29:00,920 --> 01:29:05,280
Speaker 3: so completely rusty by the time Game one tips off.

1662
01:29:05,720 --> 01:29:08,440
Speaker 3: You're gonna have guys who I'm not gonna say are complacent,

1663
01:29:08,560 --> 01:29:10,880
Speaker 3: because I don't really believe in that. I don't think

1664
01:29:10,920 --> 01:29:14,480
Speaker 3: a lot of athletes take their foot completely off the accelerator.

1665
01:29:14,880 --> 01:29:18,080
Speaker 3: If some do, but the majority don't. But what can

1666
01:29:18,160 --> 01:29:22,120
Speaker 3: happen is you've been you've been out of game shape

1667
01:29:22,160 --> 01:29:24,960
Speaker 3: for so long that you forget what it feels like.

1668
01:29:25,040 --> 01:29:27,720
Speaker 3: You don't want that to creep in. You don't want

1669
01:29:27,800 --> 01:29:30,200
Speaker 3: riga mortis to creep in. You want to stay flexible,

1670
01:29:30,560 --> 01:29:33,200
Speaker 3: and you want to start game one of this series

1671
01:29:33,720 --> 01:29:36,240
Speaker 3: just like you finished, you know, game five of the

1672
01:29:36,320 --> 01:29:39,439
Speaker 3: last series. Yeah, here were Game four because they swept

1673
01:29:40,160 --> 01:29:42,479
Speaker 3: in the in the uster Cream Conference Final. Well, you don't.

1674
01:29:42,640 --> 01:29:45,000
Speaker 2: If you're the Celtics, game one is critical.

1675
01:29:45,800 --> 01:29:49,160
Speaker 1: If you lose Game one A, you obviously lose home

1676
01:29:49,200 --> 01:29:53,640
Speaker 1: court advantage, but you're allowing the Mavericks to sort of

1677
01:29:53,680 --> 01:29:56,240
Speaker 1: build on the momentum they've already carried as a five

1678
01:29:56,320 --> 01:30:01,040
Speaker 1: seed to get to the NBA Finals. If you're the Celtics,

1679
01:30:01,200 --> 01:30:04,439
Speaker 1: you've got to win Game one. You could even lose

1680
01:30:04,479 --> 01:30:08,520
Speaker 1: Game two, but I am I think psychologically for the Celtics,

1681
01:30:08,920 --> 01:30:11,080
Speaker 1: Game one is a far more critical game.

1682
01:30:11,800 --> 01:30:13,920
Speaker 2: They need to win this game, and if they.

1683
01:30:13,840 --> 01:30:16,320
Speaker 1: Do, then I think, you know, I think the series

1684
01:30:16,400 --> 01:30:19,320
Speaker 1: is going seven, and I'm not going to guarantee that

1685
01:30:19,479 --> 01:30:21,880
Speaker 1: just because Game seven is going to go to the Celtics,

1686
01:30:21,960 --> 01:30:25,639
Speaker 1: although I did pick the Celtics. You know, as far

1687
01:30:25,680 --> 01:30:28,880
Speaker 1: as rooting interests, I just root for a good NBA

1688
01:30:28,920 --> 01:30:31,200
Speaker 1: Finals when you don't have a horse, I just want

1689
01:30:31,240 --> 01:30:35,080
Speaker 1: competitive games. I want us every Sunday from this point on,

1690
01:30:35,160 --> 01:30:38,240
Speaker 1: whether it's one Sunday, two Sundays, or all three Sundays,

1691
01:30:38,479 --> 01:30:41,640
Speaker 1: to a Game seven where we're like talking.

1692
01:30:41,240 --> 01:30:42,040
Speaker 2: About this series.

1693
01:30:42,200 --> 01:30:43,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's.

1694
01:30:43,200 --> 01:30:43,760
Speaker 2: What you want.

1695
01:30:43,840 --> 01:30:48,559
Speaker 1: You want your stars to play big. Jason Tatum needs

1696
01:30:48,560 --> 01:30:51,400
Speaker 1: to show up unlike what he did against Golden State.

1697
01:30:51,760 --> 01:30:56,400
Speaker 1: Doncic and Jaylen Brown and Kyrie the stars need to

1698
01:30:56,439 --> 01:30:58,640
Speaker 1: show up and that's what we hope for, all right.

1699
01:30:58,720 --> 01:31:01,479
Speaker 1: Speaking of a star on the other side, which you're

1700
01:31:01,479 --> 01:31:03,559
Speaker 1: going to be joined, why one of the biggest stars

1701
01:31:03,600 --> 01:31:07,280
Speaker 1: in our industry is our Fox Sports Radio MLB Insider.

1702
01:31:07,479 --> 01:31:10,880
Speaker 1: He'll also give his thoughts on the upcomingly Stanley Cup Final.

1703
01:31:11,520 --> 01:31:14,719
Speaker 1: The Great John Paul Morosi coming up. This is Fox

1704
01:31:14,720 --> 01:31:18,720
Speaker 1: Sports Sunday, Steve Harvey, Rich Oberger, Fox Sports Sunday. We

1705
01:31:18,800 --> 01:31:23,880
Speaker 1: are live from the Tyraq dot com studios. Is that

1706
01:31:23,920 --> 01:31:27,800
Speaker 1: Mookie Betts hitting a leadoff home run? Does he do

1707
01:31:27,840 --> 01:31:29,360
Speaker 1: that like every game for the Dodgers?

1708
01:31:29,400 --> 01:31:29,920
Speaker 3: Pretty good?

1709
01:31:30,280 --> 01:31:32,920
Speaker 1: He's pretty good at doing that leadoff home run. Dodgers

1710
01:31:32,920 --> 01:31:35,439
Speaker 1: one nothing lead over the Rockies. Johnny is right now

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Speaker 1: an honor of privilege for us to welcome in a

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Speaker 1: true legend. He will never say that, but we will

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01:31:42,600 --> 01:31:47,880
Speaker 1: for him. It is deserved. Fox Sports Radio MLB Insider.

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Speaker 1: The Great John Paul Morosi is Johnniest right now.

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Speaker 2: Now, JP, you know me.

1716
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Speaker 1: I want to jump on a little hockey talk to

1717
01:31:54,400 --> 01:31:58,360
Speaker 1: get things started today. The Panthers eliminated the Rangers, so

1718
01:31:58,439 --> 01:32:01,879
Speaker 1: once again, the team of the best regular season record

1719
01:32:02,000 --> 01:32:05,200
Speaker 1: falls short of winning the Stanley Cup. It'll be the

1720
01:32:05,240 --> 01:32:10,280
Speaker 1: Panthers versus the Stars or the Oilers. Game six, Edmonton

1721
01:32:10,320 --> 01:32:14,000
Speaker 1: with a chance to close out this series. Which way

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01:32:14,040 --> 01:32:16,120
Speaker 1: you're leaning tonight, what do we look in as we

1723
01:32:16,160 --> 01:32:20,400
Speaker 1: move ahead to the possible matchups for the Stanley Cup final.

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Speaker 10: Well, good afternoon, gentlemen. I always appreciate the chance to

1725
01:32:23,920 --> 01:32:26,880
Speaker 10: talk about both hockey and baseball with both of you.

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01:32:27,360 --> 01:32:31,000
Speaker 10: I think Edmonton closes it out today. Now. It's gonna

1727
01:32:31,000 --> 01:32:34,640
Speaker 10: be a challenge, though, because they've got all the anxiety

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01:32:35,120 --> 01:32:39,120
Speaker 10: and anticipation of the city of Edmonton and to a

1729
01:32:39,200 --> 01:32:42,760
Speaker 10: larger extent, all of Canada riding on this because for

1730
01:32:43,320 --> 01:32:46,439
Speaker 10: anybody that's not quite aware, they have not won a

1731
01:32:46,560 --> 01:32:52,280
Speaker 10: Stanley Cup for any Canadian based team in thirty one years,

1732
01:32:52,800 --> 01:32:56,160
Speaker 10: and that weight is heavy on all of those franchises

1733
01:32:56,200 --> 01:32:59,599
Speaker 10: in Canada to bring the Cup back home, so to speak.

1734
01:33:00,080 --> 01:33:02,679
Speaker 10: Edmonton I really believe at the moment has the best

1735
01:33:02,800 --> 01:33:05,840
Speaker 10: chance of any Canadian team in recent memory to do it.

1736
01:33:05,880 --> 01:33:09,200
Speaker 10: That they do not have necessarily that the shutdown goaltending

1737
01:33:09,200 --> 01:33:12,160
Speaker 10: all those Skinner's been really good of late. They do, however,

1738
01:33:12,240 --> 01:33:14,840
Speaker 10: have two of the very best talents in the entire

1739
01:33:14,960 --> 01:33:18,280
Speaker 10: world in McDavid and dry Sidle. So for a lot

1740
01:33:18,280 --> 01:33:20,240
Speaker 10: of reasons, I like Edmonston here. I think they put

1741
01:33:20,240 --> 01:33:23,280
Speaker 10: together a very complete sixty minute game. Probably their best

1742
01:33:23,520 --> 01:33:26,640
Speaker 10: playoff game of the entire run was Game five of

1743
01:33:26,720 --> 01:33:29,920
Speaker 10: this Western Conference Final, So I think Edmonton has the

1744
01:33:30,080 --> 01:33:32,800
Speaker 10: edge there, but I really believe that the favorite in

1745
01:33:32,880 --> 01:33:35,920
Speaker 10: a larger sense to actually win the Cup is Florida,

1746
01:33:35,920 --> 01:33:38,840
Speaker 10: because you're right, they were not as good as New

1747
01:33:38,920 --> 01:33:42,160
Speaker 10: York during the regular season, but playoff hockey is different.

1748
01:33:42,160 --> 01:33:44,519
Speaker 10: They remade their team in the last couple of years

1749
01:33:44,680 --> 01:33:47,240
Speaker 10: to be tougher to play against as this time of year,

1750
01:33:47,280 --> 01:33:50,320
Speaker 10: they've gone it. Paul Maurice is an excellent coach. Babrovski

1751
01:33:50,360 --> 01:33:52,799
Speaker 10: has been very good in goal. They've gotten some big,

1752
01:33:52,960 --> 01:33:56,320
Speaker 10: i think huge goals, scoring at the right times. Londell's

1753
01:33:56,320 --> 01:33:58,920
Speaker 10: been clutched for them, Kachuck has had a great playoff

1754
01:33:58,960 --> 01:34:00,840
Speaker 10: Barkoff is one of my favorite players to watch. So

1755
01:34:01,160 --> 01:34:03,559
Speaker 10: for all those reasons, I've got the Panthers winning the

1756
01:34:03,600 --> 01:34:05,799
Speaker 10: Cup regardless of who they play.

1757
01:34:06,000 --> 01:34:09,800
Speaker 3: Love it, Love it NHL arguably the best playoff we

1758
01:34:09,920 --> 01:34:14,200
Speaker 3: have in this country, and understand obviously Canadian interest in

1759
01:34:14,280 --> 01:34:16,960
Speaker 3: the sport is high, and it's for a good reason.

1760
01:34:17,280 --> 01:34:19,400
Speaker 3: It's cold up there. They got plenty of ice to

1761
01:34:19,439 --> 01:34:23,920
Speaker 3: skate around on a sport that's nowhere near its postseason,

1762
01:34:24,000 --> 01:34:26,799
Speaker 3: but definitely heating up as we head to the summer months.

1763
01:34:27,120 --> 01:34:31,679
Speaker 3: Major League Baseball, specifically, Aaron Judge, he had the hottest

1764
01:34:31,720 --> 01:34:36,480
Speaker 3: May of any player, fourteen homers, twelve doubles, twenty seven RBIs.

1765
01:34:37,000 --> 01:34:40,719
Speaker 3: I mean, when you frame this in history, it's difficult,

1766
01:34:40,800 --> 01:34:43,000
Speaker 3: right because when you're a New York Yankee, there are

1767
01:34:43,120 --> 01:34:46,080
Speaker 3: so many greats who you're contending with. But this is

1768
01:34:46,120 --> 01:34:50,320
Speaker 3: the best month by a hitter since Joe Demagio, So

1769
01:34:51,320 --> 01:34:57,080
Speaker 3: lending that perspective is is pretty impressive. Aaron Judge. Now, listen,

1770
01:34:57,360 --> 01:35:01,160
Speaker 3: it's one month. He's a tremendous player, He's tremendous seasons.

1771
01:35:01,200 --> 01:35:04,080
Speaker 3: He may be an MVP this year. But when his

1772
01:35:04,120 --> 01:35:07,240
Speaker 3: career is said and done, where do you think we're

1773
01:35:07,280 --> 01:35:10,840
Speaker 3: going to rank him in terms of the greats who

1774
01:35:10,840 --> 01:35:13,599
Speaker 3: have done the pinstripes in New York JP?

1775
01:35:13,880 --> 01:35:14,000
Speaker 11: Like?

1776
01:35:14,120 --> 01:35:16,800
Speaker 3: Is he Is he going to be spoken in the

1777
01:35:16,840 --> 01:35:19,640
Speaker 3: same reverence as a Ruth than a Demagio and a

1778
01:35:19,680 --> 01:35:22,479
Speaker 3: Mantle or is he going to be somewhere further down

1779
01:35:22,479 --> 01:35:23,360
Speaker 3: the list?

1780
01:35:23,920 --> 01:35:26,160
Speaker 10: Well, it's a great question, and I think that the

1781
01:35:26,479 --> 01:35:29,759
Speaker 10: part of it is to an extent out of his control,

1782
01:35:29,800 --> 01:35:32,720
Speaker 10: which is winning the World Series Championship. Now, part of

1783
01:35:32,720 --> 01:35:34,880
Speaker 10: that is certainly within his control his a bats, but

1784
01:35:35,880 --> 01:35:39,600
Speaker 10: a larger sense, we view Derek Jeter the way that

1785
01:35:39,640 --> 01:35:43,680
Speaker 10: we do because for a generation, every October we'd turn

1786
01:35:43,720 --> 01:35:45,719
Speaker 10: on our TV and he'd be there. And I think

1787
01:35:45,760 --> 01:35:48,960
Speaker 10: that the judge now needs to have that same permanence

1788
01:35:49,000 --> 01:35:51,080
Speaker 10: at that time of year, and I think he's certainly

1789
01:35:51,160 --> 01:35:54,240
Speaker 10: capable of doing that. And by the way, that's why

1790
01:35:54,280 --> 01:35:56,920
Speaker 10: he signed with the Yankees when he had his choice

1791
01:35:56,920 --> 01:35:59,760
Speaker 10: of any team to sign with. Seems like the Podreys

1792
01:35:59,800 --> 01:36:02,000
Speaker 10: and Giants may actually have ended up offering more on

1793
01:36:02,040 --> 01:36:04,360
Speaker 10: a per year basis for a long period of time

1794
01:36:04,400 --> 01:36:06,559
Speaker 10: during that courtship, but he wanted to be a Yankee.

1795
01:36:06,560 --> 01:36:10,080
Speaker 10: I now we're seeing why he did that, because you

1796
01:36:10,080 --> 01:36:12,799
Speaker 10: have that chance to build your legacy and be regarded

1797
01:36:12,840 --> 01:36:16,280
Speaker 10: as one of the great players to ever don that uniform.

1798
01:36:16,439 --> 01:36:19,839
Speaker 10: I think there's a certain way that maybe we regard

1799
01:36:20,080 --> 01:36:22,679
Speaker 10: the heroes of yesteryear, as you mentioned, whether it's Ruth

1800
01:36:22,760 --> 01:36:27,439
Speaker 10: Gerrig DiMaggio, Mantle, Reggie Jackson to an extent, but I

1801
01:36:27,479 --> 01:36:30,200
Speaker 10: think those heroes for some of those games they were

1802
01:36:30,200 --> 01:36:32,679
Speaker 10: played on black and white TV or in the memories

1803
01:36:32,680 --> 01:36:36,559
Speaker 10: of our grandfathers. It's almost difficult to think about how

1804
01:36:36,560 --> 01:36:39,360
Speaker 10: you compare a player today to Ruth in those years.

1805
01:36:39,439 --> 01:36:43,160
Speaker 10: But I do think that Judge could have a Jeter

1806
01:36:43,439 --> 01:36:48,559
Speaker 10: esque reputation and legacy if there are some World Series

1807
01:36:48,600 --> 01:36:52,040
Speaker 10: titles to go along with it, I think, and it

1808
01:36:52,080 --> 01:36:54,200
Speaker 10: maybe isn't fair to him, but we all know how

1809
01:36:54,439 --> 01:36:57,960
Speaker 10: legacies are viewed, and championships ultimately are part of it.

1810
01:36:58,040 --> 01:36:59,960
Speaker 10: Certainly he's got a chance to do it this year.

1811
01:37:00,000 --> 01:37:02,639
Speaker 10: And one of my favorite notes too is remember how

1812
01:37:02,720 --> 01:37:06,080
Speaker 10: much he quote unquote struggled in April and what was

1813
01:37:06,120 --> 01:37:08,760
Speaker 10: being said about him at the end of April, literally

1814
01:37:08,880 --> 01:37:12,519
Speaker 10: a month ago before he had this month for the Ages. Well,

1815
01:37:12,560 --> 01:37:15,240
Speaker 10: we shouldn't, I guess, have been surprised that he was

1816
01:37:15,280 --> 01:37:18,280
Speaker 10: getting criticism because it's part of the part of New

1817
01:37:18,360 --> 01:37:20,640
Speaker 10: York and then playing there. But also we shouldn't be

1818
01:37:20,680 --> 01:37:24,080
Speaker 10: surprised that he totally reversed that narrative with what he

1819
01:37:24,120 --> 01:37:26,439
Speaker 10: did in May, because he has been, to your point,

1820
01:37:26,479 --> 01:37:30,000
Speaker 10: one of the greatest Yankee hitters ever over the span

1821
01:37:30,040 --> 01:37:31,920
Speaker 10: of a month, and he's already got the Yankee home

1822
01:37:31,960 --> 01:37:35,080
Speaker 10: run record anyway, so we shouldn't be surprised when number

1823
01:37:35,200 --> 01:37:37,840
Speaker 10: ninety nine goes and does something historic.

1824
01:37:37,640 --> 01:37:40,240
Speaker 1: Well, he may be on his way to an MVP season.

1825
01:37:40,240 --> 01:37:45,360
Speaker 1: One guy that's not is Ronald o'cunya Junior. Another season

1826
01:37:45,680 --> 01:37:48,479
Speaker 1: ending injury. You know, I was thinking about this with

1827
01:37:48,520 --> 01:37:52,719
Speaker 1: Mike Trout the other day, JP, with all the injuries

1828
01:37:52,760 --> 01:37:55,800
Speaker 1: he's had in recent years. I mean, right now, Trott

1829
01:37:55,840 --> 01:37:59,720
Speaker 1: only has sixteen hundred hits in his career, right, you know,

1830
01:37:59,800 --> 01:38:03,320
Speaker 1: we we have certain standards when we term of Hall

1831
01:38:03,360 --> 01:38:05,360
Speaker 1: of Fame, and You've been a Hall of Fame voter for.

1832
01:38:05,360 --> 01:38:08,080
Speaker 2: Quite a while now, and I'm wondering.

1833
01:38:07,760 --> 01:38:10,040
Speaker 1: If we have to readjust things and when we're never

1834
01:38:10,080 --> 01:38:12,639
Speaker 1: gonna have another three hundred game winner, those days are over.

1835
01:38:14,320 --> 01:38:15,759
Speaker 2: The way the games played these.

1836
01:38:15,720 --> 01:38:19,759
Speaker 1: Days, the injuries that we have on these superstar players,

1837
01:38:19,800 --> 01:38:21,400
Speaker 1: I don't know, they just seem I don't know.

1838
01:38:21,800 --> 01:38:23,760
Speaker 2: You know, back in the days of Mazon.

1839
01:38:23,479 --> 01:38:27,200
Speaker 1: Aaron, they didn't have these season ending injuries all the time.

1840
01:38:27,439 --> 01:38:28,040
Speaker 6: It was rare.

1841
01:38:28,920 --> 01:38:30,519
Speaker 2: When did this happen back in the day.

1842
01:38:30,840 --> 01:38:33,679
Speaker 1: Now it's almost commonplace that some of these star pitchers

1843
01:38:33,840 --> 01:38:36,760
Speaker 1: or star hitters go down with season ending injuries, and

1844
01:38:36,840 --> 01:38:38,400
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, it's going to knock down some

1845
01:38:38,439 --> 01:38:41,160
Speaker 1: of those season numbers. I'm one of those people that

1846
01:38:41,280 --> 01:38:46,880
Speaker 1: really talks about dominance over just accumulating stats. I mean,

1847
01:38:46,920 --> 01:38:49,439
Speaker 1: I mean, I said this about Don Sutton, who won

1848
01:38:49,479 --> 01:38:51,680
Speaker 1: three hundred and twenty four games of his career. At

1849
01:38:51,720 --> 01:38:54,240
Speaker 1: what point was he a dominant pitcher? He was a

1850
01:38:54,240 --> 01:38:57,640
Speaker 1: good pitcher, really good pitcher. Burt Blylev another guy like that,

1851
01:38:57,880 --> 01:38:59,280
Speaker 1: really good pitcher for a long.

1852
01:38:59,120 --> 01:38:59,920
Speaker 2: Time, Philneker.

1853
01:39:00,040 --> 01:39:03,160
Speaker 1: Well, but just because you play forever and accumulates stats,

1854
01:39:03,320 --> 01:39:05,840
Speaker 1: does that mean they're I mean, look at Johannes Santana.

1855
01:39:06,160 --> 01:39:07,679
Speaker 1: Why is an he not on the Hall of Fame?

1856
01:39:07,960 --> 01:39:11,280
Speaker 1: He dominated with the Minnesota Twins. You want two Scions,

1857
01:39:11,439 --> 01:39:13,320
Speaker 1: he go to one, three and four side guys. He

1858
01:39:13,360 --> 01:39:15,800
Speaker 1: was so dominated, but his career was cut short due

1859
01:39:15,840 --> 01:39:16,480
Speaker 1: to injuries.

1860
01:39:16,600 --> 01:39:17,479
Speaker 3: How do you judge it?

1861
01:39:18,240 --> 01:39:20,000
Speaker 10: Well, I think that you're you're raising a lot A

1862
01:39:20,000 --> 01:39:22,040
Speaker 10: really good point, Steve, And as a Hall of Fame voter,

1863
01:39:22,120 --> 01:39:24,080
Speaker 10: you have to think about those things. And that's one

1864
01:39:24,080 --> 01:39:24,320
Speaker 10: of the.

1865
01:39:24,240 --> 01:39:26,640
Speaker 11: Reasons why we have what we call the Era Committees.

1866
01:39:26,920 --> 01:39:29,280
Speaker 10: The Veterans Committee is what it's been called over time,

1867
01:39:29,680 --> 01:39:33,000
Speaker 10: because there are players who I think we miss and

1868
01:39:33,680 --> 01:39:36,679
Speaker 10: who for whom we need to think about different ways

1869
01:39:36,680 --> 01:39:39,439
Speaker 10: of conceptualizing their careers. I'll mention a couple of names

1870
01:39:39,439 --> 01:39:43,400
Speaker 10: we haven't gotten into yet, Don Mattingly, Dale Murphy, who

1871
01:39:43,600 --> 01:39:46,840
Speaker 10: they didn't have because of injuries or other elements. They

1872
01:39:46,840 --> 01:39:50,680
Speaker 10: didn't have the longevity, but they were brilliant, one of

1873
01:39:50,720 --> 01:39:52,519
Speaker 10: the best players in the league for a period of time.

1874
01:39:53,080 --> 01:39:55,799
Speaker 10: And it's so interesting that you mentioned whether it's Sutton

1875
01:39:55,880 --> 01:39:57,759
Speaker 10: or others that are in the Hall of Fame, Necros

1876
01:39:57,760 --> 01:40:00,320
Speaker 10: and other one that when you consider.

1877
01:40:00,960 --> 01:40:04,040
Speaker 11: The career, like whose career would you rather have?

1878
01:40:04,520 --> 01:40:07,439
Speaker 10: Would you rather have their careers or perhaps the career

1879
01:40:07,479 --> 01:40:10,840
Speaker 10: of a Bernie Williams or a Juare Posada multiple World

1880
01:40:11,240 --> 01:40:14,200
Speaker 10: championships but maybe didn't get into the Hall of Fame.

1881
01:40:14,400 --> 01:40:17,439
Speaker 10: I think that the ballot was so crowded for such

1882
01:40:17,439 --> 01:40:18,920
Speaker 10: a long period of time that I do think a

1883
01:40:18,920 --> 01:40:22,720
Speaker 10: lot of deserving players Jeff Kenth, for example, didn't get

1884
01:40:22,760 --> 01:40:25,840
Speaker 10: the consideration that they deserved. I mean, you're raising a

1885
01:40:25,880 --> 01:40:28,200
Speaker 10: lot of really good points, and I think it also

1886
01:40:28,640 --> 01:40:31,559
Speaker 10: talks about the peak of the player trout for me,

1887
01:40:32,400 --> 01:40:34,080
Speaker 10: and I was interested to hear how many hits he

1888
01:40:34,120 --> 01:40:38,080
Speaker 10: had just when you mentioned that for me, I feel

1889
01:40:38,080 --> 01:40:40,719
Speaker 10: as though he already belongs because there was a period

1890
01:40:40,760 --> 01:40:43,040
Speaker 10: of time four or five years where he was the

1891
01:40:43,080 --> 01:40:45,920
Speaker 10: best player in the game period, end of story. And

1892
01:40:46,320 --> 01:40:48,720
Speaker 10: I have a hard time thinking about somebody who's who

1893
01:40:48,720 --> 01:40:51,320
Speaker 10: had won that many MVPs or finished second in a

1894
01:40:51,360 --> 01:40:53,800
Speaker 10: number of occasions as he did, not being in a

1895
01:40:53,840 --> 01:40:56,000
Speaker 10: Hall of fame. But you're right, you'd like him to

1896
01:40:56,040 --> 01:40:59,479
Speaker 10: at least get to around two thousand hits something like that,

1897
01:40:59,560 --> 01:41:03,719
Speaker 10: just to sort of affirm the resume. And that's where, honestly,

1898
01:41:03,840 --> 01:41:06,080
Speaker 10: I look at a player like I've been banging the

1899
01:41:06,120 --> 01:41:07,960
Speaker 10: drum in the last month or so talking about what

1900
01:41:08,040 --> 01:41:11,400
Speaker 10: Salbotur Peaz has done for Kansas City. The catching position

1901
01:41:11,520 --> 01:41:15,040
Speaker 10: is different, and because of that, Perez is different, yadi

1902
01:41:15,080 --> 01:41:16,880
Speaker 10: Are Molina is different, and maybe we should take a

1903
01:41:16,880 --> 01:41:19,160
Speaker 10: second look at someone like oh rightful sad. There's a

1904
01:41:19,200 --> 01:41:22,960
Speaker 10: lot of different elements there of players and position players

1905
01:41:22,960 --> 01:41:26,400
Speaker 10: at unique thoughts in the diamond that probably deserve more

1906
01:41:26,400 --> 01:41:27,840
Speaker 10: consideration than they've been given.

1907
01:41:28,040 --> 01:41:28,679
Speaker 11: But you're right.

1908
01:41:28,760 --> 01:41:32,200
Speaker 10: It concerns me as a as a baseball person that

1909
01:41:32,320 --> 01:41:35,800
Speaker 10: Trout and Acunya, with time missed, are almost starting to

1910
01:41:35,800 --> 01:41:38,920
Speaker 10: fit in that same category where Acuna Is last season,

1911
01:41:39,040 --> 01:41:42,280
Speaker 10: forty home or seventy solen bases is completely ridiculous. But

1912
01:41:42,600 --> 01:41:45,080
Speaker 10: you start to wonder if he can't do it year

1913
01:41:45,120 --> 01:41:48,200
Speaker 10: after year, or at least put together quality year after year,

1914
01:41:48,600 --> 01:41:50,920
Speaker 10: what does that does that eventually mean? And all I

1915
01:41:50,960 --> 01:41:54,519
Speaker 10: can say is we as voters have to keep open

1916
01:41:54,640 --> 01:41:58,320
Speaker 10: minds and continue to evolve with the quality of the

1917
01:41:58,360 --> 01:42:01,080
Speaker 10: resumes that were being given because it's not all going

1918
01:42:01,160 --> 01:42:03,200
Speaker 10: to look the same. Joe Mauer, by the way, getting

1919
01:42:03,200 --> 01:42:06,400
Speaker 10: intos the catcher, his resume does not look like Johnny

1920
01:42:06,400 --> 01:42:09,320
Speaker 10: Bench's resume. And from where I sit, that's okay. He

1921
01:42:09,479 --> 01:42:11,920
Speaker 10: still belongs, in my opinion, in the Hall of Fame.

1922
01:42:12,080 --> 01:42:13,920
Speaker 1: Well unique in the fact that he was the only

1923
01:42:13,960 --> 01:42:16,760
Speaker 1: catcher to win three batting titles. Okay, and he did

1924
01:42:16,760 --> 01:42:19,200
Speaker 1: win an MVP Award. It's going to be interesting with

1925
01:42:19,240 --> 01:42:24,040
Speaker 1: Buster Posey, whose career is identical to Thurman Munson, literally identical.

1926
01:42:24,600 --> 01:42:27,360
Speaker 1: He has the exact same numbers, played the same career,

1927
01:42:28,040 --> 01:42:32,160
Speaker 1: multiple World Series championships. Munson never got a sniff, and

1928
01:42:32,200 --> 01:42:34,640
Speaker 1: they're talking about Buster Posey is a first ballot.

1929
01:42:34,320 --> 01:42:38,360
Speaker 2: Guy, same same resume, identical.

1930
01:42:38,439 --> 01:42:41,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, it's like and one guy's career was cut

1931
01:42:41,640 --> 01:42:44,840
Speaker 1: short because of a premature death, and yet Munsey gets

1932
01:42:45,240 --> 01:42:48,080
Speaker 1: no push for the Hall of Fame, and they're talking

1933
01:42:48,120 --> 01:42:50,760
Speaker 1: to Buster Posey's going to be first ballot right well, And.

1934
01:42:51,280 --> 01:42:53,360
Speaker 10: I think that one of the other things that's unique

1935
01:42:53,960 --> 01:42:58,879
Speaker 10: is that these two different bodies that vote on the candidates.

1936
01:42:58,880 --> 01:43:01,920
Speaker 10: Whether it's the writer's ballot, that's us so as speaking

1937
01:43:01,920 --> 01:43:04,840
Speaker 10: as a baseball writer, we have our own criteria the

1938
01:43:04,840 --> 01:43:07,479
Speaker 10: way we look at it. And there's the Veterans Committee.

1939
01:43:07,479 --> 01:43:10,599
Speaker 10: The Era Committee is comprised of historians, people who are

1940
01:43:10,600 --> 01:43:14,240
Speaker 10: in the Hall of Fame executive. It's a small group

1941
01:43:14,280 --> 01:43:18,960
Speaker 10: of sixteen that is definitionally looking at different things than

1942
01:43:18,960 --> 01:43:22,360
Speaker 10: the writers do, and that creates a lot of inconsistencies

1943
01:43:22,400 --> 01:43:25,519
Speaker 10: and some I'm surprises Harold Bains got in, Lee Smith

1944
01:43:25,560 --> 01:43:27,200
Speaker 10: got it. I'm thrilled for both of them. But I

1945
01:43:27,680 --> 01:43:31,000
Speaker 10: agree with those who say that maybe if they're in,

1946
01:43:31,080 --> 01:43:33,960
Speaker 10: there are some others with similar resumes that also deserve

1947
01:43:34,000 --> 01:43:34,400
Speaker 10: to be in.

1948
01:43:34,479 --> 01:43:37,559
Speaker 11: I fully understand that. But this is why here we

1949
01:43:37,600 --> 01:43:38,880
Speaker 11: are in the early days of June.

1950
01:43:39,280 --> 01:43:41,880
Speaker 10: The election happens in the before the end of the year.

1951
01:43:41,880 --> 01:43:45,439
Speaker 10: The announcement in January. It reminds us that baseball does

1952
01:43:45,479 --> 01:43:47,800
Speaker 10: have the best Hall of Fame, just as it also

1953
01:43:47,840 --> 01:43:50,240
Speaker 10: has the best All Star Game, which is coming up

1954
01:43:50,240 --> 01:43:52,559
Speaker 10: in about a month. I'm not sure if it's got

1955
01:43:52,600 --> 01:43:54,479
Speaker 10: the best playoffs, because I think that probably belongs to

1956
01:43:54,520 --> 01:43:57,919
Speaker 10: the Stanley Cup playoffs. But it is between my two sports,

1957
01:43:58,200 --> 01:43:59,680
Speaker 10: I can claim a lot of the best of a

1958
01:43:59,720 --> 01:44:00,840
Speaker 10: lot of All right.

1959
01:44:00,760 --> 01:44:03,559
Speaker 1: I got to stop right now, you know, Rich, I'm sorry.

1960
01:44:03,560 --> 01:44:06,120
Speaker 1: I just you know, you know how I am. I

1961
01:44:06,120 --> 01:44:08,960
Speaker 1: get on this stuff. I get on my soapbox. JP

1962
01:44:09,160 --> 01:44:11,800
Speaker 1: always great the conversation. I wish we could always make

1963
01:44:11,840 --> 01:44:14,000
Speaker 1: it longer. One of these we're just gonna have to

1964
01:44:14,000 --> 01:44:15,840
Speaker 1: start earlier. We're just gonna have to start early.

1965
01:44:15,880 --> 01:44:16,759
Speaker 11: Yeah, we'll start earlier.

1966
01:44:16,840 --> 01:44:19,120
Speaker 10: And one of these times, I got to make sure

1967
01:44:19,160 --> 01:44:22,040
Speaker 10: I line up my schedule. I will whenever I'm traveling

1968
01:44:22,040 --> 01:44:24,679
Speaker 10: to La on a Sunday, San Diego on a Sunday,

1969
01:44:24,720 --> 01:44:25,960
Speaker 10: and to make sure I get out and so I

1970
01:44:26,000 --> 01:44:28,160
Speaker 10: can actually see you guys in person on the day.

1971
01:44:28,160 --> 01:44:30,240
Speaker 10: I've obviously been with both you guys in person that

1972
01:44:30,320 --> 01:44:33,639
Speaker 10: have great conversation, but now we got to make sure

1973
01:44:33,680 --> 01:44:35,920
Speaker 10: we do the whole roundtable in person together.

1974
01:44:36,040 --> 01:44:38,360
Speaker 1: That'll be perfect. JP always a pleasure. We'll talk to

1975
01:44:38,360 --> 01:44:39,000
Speaker 1: you next week.

1976
01:44:39,520 --> 01:44:40,840
Speaker 11: Have a great week, guys. I'll the best things.

1977
01:44:40,920 --> 01:44:45,639
Speaker 1: John Paul Morosi, Johnny is there go the best, the best.

1978
01:44:47,040 --> 01:44:48,200
Speaker 2: He's got it all covered.

1979
01:44:48,640 --> 01:44:50,919
Speaker 1: Speaking of the best, let's find out what is trending

1980
01:44:51,000 --> 01:44:53,960
Speaker 1: right now is Moncey Wow?

1981
01:44:54,120 --> 01:44:56,719
Speaker 2: I mean, what a schedule she keeps? What a schedule?

1982
01:44:57,439 --> 01:44:57,719
Speaker 3: Right?

1983
01:44:58,760 --> 01:45:01,519
Speaker 9: You know, thank pizza to for keeping me alive.

1984
01:45:01,880 --> 01:45:07,040
Speaker 3: She's fueled, well, she's fueled by cheese, pizza, yep, and

1985
01:45:07,200 --> 01:45:11,080
Speaker 3: uh an occasional tequila you know Repisada.

1986
01:45:11,479 --> 01:45:12,960
Speaker 8: You know, Yeah, I guld sip on a ripple, so

1987
01:45:13,720 --> 01:45:17,439
Speaker 8: I guess more. I am a blanco gal. But no,

1988
01:45:17,520 --> 01:45:18,280
Speaker 8: I'm not going to give me.

1989
01:45:20,280 --> 01:45:23,920
Speaker 1: At some point, at some point, didn't you promise Manzi

1990
01:45:24,120 --> 01:45:26,920
Speaker 1: some kind of food multiple years ago?

1991
01:45:27,200 --> 01:45:30,360
Speaker 8: He delivered it just was Remember he owed me an

1992
01:45:30,400 --> 01:45:33,519
Speaker 8: egg plant, like a parmesan eggplant sandwich, and then he

1993
01:45:33,600 --> 01:45:34,759
Speaker 8: delivered it but on a pizza.

1994
01:45:35,040 --> 01:45:38,800
Speaker 1: When I'm talking about I'm talking about something that he

1995
01:45:38,800 --> 01:45:39,280
Speaker 1: he made.

1996
01:45:39,880 --> 01:45:41,120
Speaker 9: Yes, the thing.

1997
01:45:40,920 --> 01:45:43,800
Speaker 1: About is he makes stuff that has meat.

1998
01:45:44,120 --> 01:45:46,439
Speaker 9: No, but I think that's yeah. I actually think you're

1999
01:45:46,439 --> 01:45:46,840
Speaker 9: you're right.

2000
01:45:46,880 --> 01:45:48,400
Speaker 8: I think it was he was supposed to make me

2001
01:45:48,479 --> 01:45:50,760
Speaker 8: egg plant parmesan. That's right, and then it was going

2002
01:45:50,840 --> 01:45:53,040
Speaker 8: to become like a sandwich, and now I got it

2003
01:45:53,080 --> 01:45:54,840
Speaker 8: on a pizza and no regrets.

2004
01:45:54,920 --> 01:45:57,839
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah. What what ended up happening was I started

2005
01:45:57,880 --> 01:46:00,400
Speaker 3: putting together all the ingredients for this, I'm like, how

2006
01:46:00,439 --> 01:46:03,360
Speaker 3: the hell am I gonna make this at Fox Sports

2007
01:46:03,439 --> 01:46:06,719
Speaker 3: Radio studios. So then I panicked and I just called

2008
01:46:06,720 --> 01:46:10,080
Speaker 3: the pizza restaurant down the block, and it ended up

2009
01:46:10,120 --> 01:46:12,360
Speaker 3: being a really nice little party we had.

2010
01:46:12,400 --> 01:46:14,559
Speaker 8: It was it was And this was after he said,

2011
01:46:14,560 --> 01:46:16,120
Speaker 8: I wasn't it that you said the Clippers were not

2012
01:46:16,160 --> 01:46:18,160
Speaker 8: gonna win a single game after we had all those

2013
01:46:18,200 --> 01:46:20,440
Speaker 8: injuries last year turned the playoffs.

2014
01:46:20,479 --> 01:46:22,840
Speaker 2: That's correct, and then we did and you were like, man,

2015
01:46:23,000 --> 01:46:23,200
Speaker 2: that was.

2016
01:46:23,200 --> 01:46:25,080
Speaker 3: Like, yeah, did not work out.

2017
01:46:25,400 --> 01:46:27,519
Speaker 9: It worked in general, though we got pizza.

2018
01:46:27,680 --> 01:46:28,160
Speaker 3: That's good point.

2019
01:46:28,200 --> 01:46:33,080
Speaker 8: Yeah, we all benefited from it, that's right, all right,

2020
01:46:33,080 --> 01:46:35,479
Speaker 8: Fellas we went to extra Indians in Boston.

2021
01:46:35,479 --> 01:46:37,479
Speaker 9: Between the Red Sox and the Tigers tied at four.

2022
01:46:37,880 --> 01:46:39,240
Speaker 9: Detroit has added.

2023
01:46:38,960 --> 01:46:41,280
Speaker 8: Four runs in the tenth innings, so they're on top

2024
01:46:41,320 --> 01:46:43,519
Speaker 8: eight to four. See if Red Sox can do something

2025
01:46:43,560 --> 01:46:45,400
Speaker 8: about that. In the bottom of the tenth inning. The

2026
01:46:45,439 --> 01:46:47,639
Speaker 8: Blue Jay is still on top of the Pirates five three.

2027
01:46:47,680 --> 01:46:48,360
Speaker 3: Top of the ninth.

2028
01:46:48,400 --> 01:46:50,640
Speaker 8: In Toronto, the Brewers have added some more runs, so

2029
01:46:50,640 --> 01:46:52,599
Speaker 8: they're beating the White Sox six to three and they're

2030
01:46:52,640 --> 01:46:55,360
Speaker 8: about to start the ninth inning. In Milwaukee, the Padres

2031
01:46:55,360 --> 01:46:57,439
Speaker 8: have also added a couple more runs. They're beating the

2032
01:46:57,520 --> 01:46:59,880
Speaker 8: Royals three to one and about to start the ninth.

2033
01:47:00,560 --> 01:47:02,720
Speaker 8: The Reds holding onto their lead over the Cops five

2034
01:47:02,760 --> 01:47:05,320
Speaker 8: to two. Top of the ninth. Juan Soto with a

2035
01:47:05,600 --> 01:47:08,200
Speaker 8: solo shot puts the Yankees on the scoreboard first against

2036
01:47:08,240 --> 01:47:11,280
Speaker 8: the Giants one zero, bottom of the second, and Mookie

2037
01:47:11,320 --> 01:47:14,519
Speaker 8: Betts did have a leadoff homer. Then Freddie Freeman homered.

2038
01:47:15,040 --> 01:47:17,240
Speaker 8: Bo Benson may have been critical of Freddie Freeman. I

2039
01:47:17,280 --> 01:47:19,840
Speaker 8: told him he heard you. He heard you, Bo, Freddie

2040
01:47:19,840 --> 01:47:22,040
Speaker 8: Freeman heard you. Came back hit a home run. Dodgers

2041
01:47:22,080 --> 01:47:24,800
Speaker 8: are beating the Rockies two zero. Top of the second inning.

2042
01:47:24,840 --> 01:47:27,519
Speaker 8: The Twins, they edged the Astros four to three. Host

2043
01:47:27,560 --> 01:47:30,160
Speaker 8: Sam Miranda had the tine homer and the go ahead

2044
01:47:30,280 --> 01:47:33,240
Speaker 8: RBI double to secure the win for Minnesota. The Braves

2045
01:47:33,240 --> 01:47:35,280
Speaker 8: held on to beat the A's three to one. The

2046
01:47:35,439 --> 01:47:37,120
Speaker 8: Rays came back to beat the.

2047
01:47:37,000 --> 01:47:38,280
Speaker 3: Orioles four to three.

2048
01:47:38,479 --> 01:47:41,000
Speaker 8: Jose Siri with the two RBI double in the eighth

2049
01:47:41,040 --> 01:47:43,640
Speaker 8: gave them the lead. The Diamondbacks beat the Mets in

2050
01:47:43,680 --> 01:47:46,960
Speaker 8: New York five for Kettle Marte. He homer twice, including

2051
01:47:47,000 --> 01:47:49,160
Speaker 8: the go ahead two run shot in the ninth inning.

2052
01:47:49,400 --> 01:47:51,599
Speaker 8: The Rangers blank the Marlin six to zero, and the

2053
01:47:51,680 --> 01:47:54,479
Speaker 8: Nationals avoided the sweep. They beat the Guardians five to

2054
01:47:54,600 --> 01:47:58,080
Speaker 8: two at the Canadian Open. Let's see Robert McIntyre. He's

2055
01:47:58,080 --> 01:47:59,719
Speaker 8: been in the lead all day. He still is sixteen

2056
01:47:59,760 --> 01:48:02,760
Speaker 8: under par overall. He's too under for the day through

2057
01:48:02,840 --> 01:48:06,400
Speaker 8: nine holes. Tom Kim is now three shots back. In

2058
01:48:06,479 --> 01:48:08,800
Speaker 8: the w n b A, we have the Connecticut son

2059
01:48:08,840 --> 01:48:10,960
Speaker 8: who are a perfect seven and over the start of

2060
01:48:11,000 --> 01:48:12,120
Speaker 8: the w NBA season.

2061
01:48:12,280 --> 01:48:13,680
Speaker 9: They're beating the Dream fifty.

2062
01:48:13,400 --> 01:48:15,280
Speaker 8: Seven to forty three, and they're about to start the

2063
01:48:15,439 --> 01:48:18,519
Speaker 8: fourth inning or inning for the fourth quarter.

2064
01:48:18,600 --> 01:48:20,160
Speaker 9: You got it, You got it, guys. It's a lot

2065
01:48:20,200 --> 01:48:22,519
Speaker 9: going on. It is a lot going on, and I

2066
01:48:22,560 --> 01:48:25,240
Speaker 9: have not had tequila this morning. Back to you, back

2067
01:48:25,280 --> 01:48:25,599
Speaker 9: to you.

2068
01:48:26,120 --> 01:48:26,360
Speaker 4: Fuck.

2069
01:48:26,560 --> 01:48:27,599
Speaker 2: It's never too late.

2070
01:48:27,680 --> 01:48:30,479
Speaker 9: It's never too early or too late, exactly, that's right.

2071
01:48:30,600 --> 01:48:31,440
Speaker 9: That's rights.

2072
01:48:31,520 --> 01:48:33,360
Speaker 2: Never too early, Never too late.

2073
01:48:33,880 --> 01:48:38,519
Speaker 1: You know what I'm really missing, Mancy, is a dirty martini.

2074
01:48:38,120 --> 01:48:41,000
Speaker 8: From from mister rich Yes, I've heard about your dirty

2075
01:48:41,000 --> 01:48:41,599
Speaker 8: markin filteen.

2076
01:48:41,760 --> 01:48:44,040
Speaker 2: It's not dirty filth, yeah, filthy.

2077
01:48:44,200 --> 01:48:46,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm renowned.

2078
01:48:46,720 --> 01:48:47,120
Speaker 6: You are.

2079
01:48:47,240 --> 01:48:50,040
Speaker 3: You are going to experience that at some point very soon, my.

2080
01:48:50,040 --> 01:48:52,639
Speaker 8: Friend, I love to Yeah, I think he was talking

2081
01:48:52,640 --> 01:48:54,800
Speaker 8: to you, but I'm gonna jump in on no, no.

2082
01:48:54,880 --> 01:48:55,760
Speaker 2: No, no no.

2083
01:48:56,080 --> 01:48:59,760
Speaker 3: That's why there's enough to go around. Bringing one of

2084
01:48:59,800 --> 01:49:00,599
Speaker 3: those big bottles.

2085
01:49:00,840 --> 01:49:04,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, oh that's good stuff.

2086
01:49:04,439 --> 01:49:04,760
Speaker 3: Thank you.

2087
01:49:04,800 --> 01:49:07,600
Speaker 2: MAT's a great job as always. I appreciate that.

2088
01:49:08,280 --> 01:49:11,559
Speaker 1: Steve Hartbin and a rich Ornberger here, of course, this

2089
01:49:11,840 --> 01:49:16,679
Speaker 1: is Fox Sports Sunday. We were talking at the very

2090
01:49:16,720 --> 01:49:21,839
Speaker 1: beginning of the show today about the hit so to speak,

2091
01:49:21,880 --> 01:49:28,400
Speaker 1: on Caitlin Clark Kennedy Carter sort of like a two

2092
01:49:28,439 --> 01:49:32,280
Speaker 1: president name Kennedy Carter, although the Kennedy Kennedy spelled.

2093
01:49:32,439 --> 01:49:34,320
Speaker 3: Ch that's right. Yeah.

2094
01:49:34,360 --> 01:49:37,200
Speaker 1: So I'm trying to think of what's next for the

2095
01:49:37,280 --> 01:49:41,840
Speaker 1: WNBA in this whole again, how are we going to

2096
01:49:41,960 --> 01:49:46,320
Speaker 1: milk this? Because ten games into her career, I mentioned

2097
01:49:46,320 --> 01:49:50,880
Speaker 1: the fact of those players that have had enough field

2098
01:49:50,920 --> 01:49:55,639
Speaker 1: goal attempts to qualify for highest field goal percentage, she's

2099
01:49:55,720 --> 01:49:59,840
Speaker 1: thirty seventh out of forty two, and in three point percentage,

2100
01:50:00,000 --> 01:50:02,640
Speaker 1: he's thirty first out of thirty five. She's third in

2101
01:50:02,680 --> 01:50:06,559
Speaker 1: field three point attempts and thirty first in percentage. She's

2102
01:50:06,600 --> 01:50:09,800
Speaker 1: not a good shooter. She's a volume shooter. Now she

2103
01:50:09,920 --> 01:50:13,120
Speaker 1: takes you know, way out there shots and that excites

2104
01:50:13,160 --> 01:50:18,120
Speaker 1: the crowd. But the reality is setting in that Caitlin Clark,

2105
01:50:18,240 --> 01:50:21,360
Speaker 1: and again she's a rookie. Things can change, but there

2106
01:50:21,360 --> 01:50:23,559
Speaker 1: are a lot of players in this league already that

2107
01:50:23,600 --> 01:50:27,000
Speaker 1: are much better than Caitlyn Clark, but none of them

2108
01:50:27,120 --> 01:50:29,479
Speaker 1: obviously are in the same zip code. When it comes

2109
01:50:29,560 --> 01:50:32,599
Speaker 1: to star power, how do you keep this thing going? Well,

2110
01:50:32,680 --> 01:50:36,200
Speaker 1: we talked about it. You you suddenly have players going

2111
01:50:36,240 --> 01:50:38,519
Speaker 1: out of their way to put her down on the ground.

2112
01:50:38,760 --> 01:50:39,640
Speaker 2: We talk about it.

2113
01:50:40,560 --> 01:50:44,360
Speaker 1: We have you know, people talking about why she's so

2114
01:50:44,560 --> 01:50:47,719
Speaker 1: popular and talking in a negative way, bringing up race

2115
01:50:47,880 --> 01:50:51,000
Speaker 1: or sexuality. I mean, they're coming up with all this different.

2116
01:50:51,040 --> 01:50:56,000
Speaker 1: They're talking about her, yes, and then the question is, well,

2117
01:50:56,000 --> 01:50:59,800
Speaker 1: how do you keep that going? So if you're the WNBA,

2118
01:51:00,600 --> 01:51:04,479
Speaker 1: you know without I mean, are they cheering behind closed

2119
01:51:04,520 --> 01:51:06,920
Speaker 1: doors right now? Like, hey, this is working? You know,

2120
01:51:07,320 --> 01:51:09,720
Speaker 1: maybe she's not the player that everyone thinks she is,

2121
01:51:09,760 --> 01:51:13,160
Speaker 1: but man, she's a polarizing figure and we got a

2122
01:51:13,200 --> 01:51:15,000
Speaker 1: lot of players in this league. They don't like her,

2123
01:51:15,040 --> 01:51:17,639
Speaker 1: and this is working for us. Do we encourage that.

2124
01:51:17,920 --> 01:51:20,880
Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure out, what's your strategy if you're

2125
01:51:20,920 --> 01:51:24,439
Speaker 1: in the front offices of these WNBA teams to keep

2126
01:51:24,479 --> 01:51:25,240
Speaker 1: the ball rolling?

2127
01:51:26,439 --> 01:51:30,120
Speaker 3: Well, I'll I don't think they're that organized. To be

2128
01:51:30,160 --> 01:51:31,800
Speaker 3: honest with you, I.

2129
01:51:31,800 --> 01:51:33,600
Speaker 2: Really never had a situation like this.

2130
01:51:33,840 --> 01:51:36,400
Speaker 3: No no, I And I was gonna say, and I

2131
01:51:36,400 --> 01:51:38,960
Speaker 3: don't necessarily blame them, because, like you said, this is

2132
01:51:39,080 --> 01:51:43,679
Speaker 3: very unique when this is the first time, Like think

2133
01:51:43,760 --> 01:51:49,840
Speaker 3: how many stars since inception the NBA has experienced and

2134
01:51:50,120 --> 01:51:55,519
Speaker 3: profited from and promoted so many I mean, and a

2135
01:51:55,600 --> 01:52:01,200
Speaker 3: variety of different scales, you know, Shaquille O'Neill, Charles Barkley,

2136
01:52:01,400 --> 01:52:07,800
Speaker 3: Lebron James Michael Jordan, Bill Russell, Larry Bird, Magic Johnson.

2137
01:52:07,880 --> 01:52:09,680
Speaker 3: The list goes on and on. Now you have more

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Speaker 3: international flavors with Dirk Novitski and Gyao Ming before him,

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Speaker 3: and and Luka donc la Jokic and Giannis and Tentem Kumpo.

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Speaker 3: It's it so They've had so many different iterations of

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Speaker 3: so many different types of stars.

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Speaker 1: The WMA, I mean Kandas Parker, Yeah, Diana Tarassi, I'm super.

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Speaker 1: I mean, there are some names to you that some

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Speaker 1: people beyond you know.

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Speaker 3: You're not gonna diminish. I'm not gonna diminish any of

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Speaker 3: the names you just mentioned. They are they are all stars.

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Speaker 3: But do their names cut through at any point in

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Speaker 3: their careers, whether it be as players like we're in

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Speaker 3: a completely different stratosphere, well they have to.

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Speaker 2: They better come up with some kindness. We're only ten

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Speaker 2: games into the season.

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Speaker 3: And that's my point. I think it's it's gonna.

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Speaker 1: Take players in this league are revolting against her, even

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Speaker 1: her own teammates.

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Speaker 3: It's it's gonna take time. They don't have a strategy.

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Speaker 3: They don't have it. It's very clear they don't have

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Speaker 3: a strategy yet. I don't think that they were aware

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Speaker 3: of the level of blowback Caitlin Clark was gonna receive

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Speaker 3: for the amount of tension that she received from her

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Speaker 3: opponents and also her own teammates. I don't think they

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Speaker 3: understood the level of envy or jealousy, or animosity or

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Speaker 3: general animus she was going to face from the players

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Speaker 3: in this league as a result of some of the

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Speaker 3: changes that recently have has come and some of the

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Speaker 3: recent attention the league has garnered as a result of

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Speaker 3: Kaitlyn Clark. And also, I mean personally, look at this

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Speaker 3: through the lens of an athlete. We're talking about type

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Speaker 3: A personalities. You know, if we were talking about a

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Speaker 3: bunch of men's players, you would say a bunch of

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Speaker 3: alphas out there on the court. When you have type

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Speaker 3: A personalities, when you have aggressive, strong, motivated, competitive personalities.

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Speaker 3: And Caitlyn Clark has been crowned a superstar before even

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Speaker 3: walking onto one of these courts, before even lacing up

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Speaker 3: her own by the Way basketball shoes, she got a

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Speaker 3: multiple what would you call it, a eight figure contract

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Speaker 3: from a shoe contract. Yeah, before she even shot her

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Speaker 3: first jump shot. And some of these players in this

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Speaker 3: league have been playing good basketball for a bunch of years,

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Speaker 3: and they've been and they're hyper competitive, Like I said,

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Speaker 3: type A personalities, and they've gotten zero shine, They've gotten

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Speaker 3: zero attention from from shoe companies. Nobody in this league

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Speaker 3: has an eight figure shoe contract, Are you kidding me?

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01:54:59,280 --> 01:55:02,640
Speaker 3: And then Kitlyn Clark walks in before she even takes

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Speaker 3: her first three pointer, before she even gets her name

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Speaker 3: mentioned as she takes the floor for the first time.

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Speaker 3: I'm telling you there is personal vendettas around this league,

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01:55:14,440 --> 01:55:17,760
Speaker 3: and everybody's looking to take her down to Pega two.

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Speaker 3: I'm not gonna say everyone that's too that's too sweeping

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Speaker 3: of a generalization, But there are players who want to

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01:55:23,920 --> 01:55:27,440
Speaker 3: take her down to Pegga two because they are they

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01:55:27,480 --> 01:55:34,080
Speaker 3: are motivated by their own personal jealousies, or they're caught

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01:55:34,200 --> 01:55:37,120
Speaker 3: up in their own personal narrative about who they are

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Speaker 3: in relationship to who Caitlin Clark is, and and that

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Speaker 3: WNBA has to do something about it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I tell you.

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Speaker 1: Right now, social media is showing that those that are

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Speaker 1: only watching the WNBA to see Caitlin Clark are not happy.

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Speaker 1: They are not happy about how their star is being treated.

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Speaker 1: All right, come on here on the other side, what

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01:55:56,840 --> 01:55:58,280
Speaker 1: kind of week is it going to be? As we

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Speaker 1: count down the endless days to the start of the

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Speaker 1: NBA Finals, We'll tell you.

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Speaker 2: This is Fox.

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01:56:03,920 --> 01:56:08,680
Speaker 1: Sports Sunday Steve Harbin and Rich Ornberger Fox Sports Sunday

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Speaker 1: Live from the tire Rack dot Com Studios want to

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Speaker 1: thank our legendary crew Monsey.

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Speaker 8: Battling every day, battling, hanging out whatever, same thing.

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01:56:26,160 --> 01:56:26,920
Speaker 2: Life's a battle.

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Speaker 9: Life is a battle.

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Speaker 8: But I also feel like I'm just hanging out really

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01:56:30,240 --> 01:56:31,160
Speaker 8: watching sports.

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Speaker 2: Well that's what we do around here, and it's a battle.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, believe me.

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Speaker 1: I halfway to our our broadcast today, I lost my

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Speaker 1: UFL game.

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Speaker 2: I mean then all of a sudden, I was like,

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Speaker 2: what now, what? What? What am I going to watch?

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Speaker 1: Uh Bo excited because he got Mookie Bets and Freddie

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01:56:51,120 --> 01:56:54,280
Speaker 1: Freeman hit home runs in the first inning, his beloved Dodgers.

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Speaker 13: Can I make my official finals pick?

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Speaker 3: Steve Oh?

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Speaker 1: I would love why I was going to do that,

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01:56:58,040 --> 01:56:59,920
Speaker 1: Chris as well. Everybody's well, we know my.

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Speaker 13: Because I have the Boston Celtics winning in five games.

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Speaker 2: Five games, five games, Wick Aleman, if.

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Speaker 13: You watched Monzi's wonderful TikTok prior to the playoffs beginning,

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01:57:11,880 --> 01:57:14,520
Speaker 13: I picked the Clippers to win the NBA Finals, So

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01:57:14,960 --> 01:57:17,720
Speaker 13: the reverse Jinks is alive and well, and I predict

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Speaker 13: the Celtics are going to win five all right.

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Speaker 1: So Celtics in five now, Monzi is already and with

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Speaker 1: her Mavericks in six, Chris, which way are you leaning

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Speaker 1: for these NBA Finals that will get underway?

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Speaker 2: And what is it four months?

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Speaker 3: Tax? Yeah?

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Speaker 4: I feel like I feel like I'm not doing a

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01:57:33,520 --> 01:57:35,520
Speaker 4: reverse Jinx, but I like to try to feel where

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01:57:35,560 --> 01:57:39,200
Speaker 4: everyone's good vibes are going, because then I always assume

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Speaker 4: the opposite of that, because the world is a cruel place.

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Speaker 1: So I'm saying Celtics and six, Celtics and six. It's

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Speaker 1: interesting because most of the on air people that I've

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Speaker 1: heard here, they're all going with the Mavericks.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I mean. So see, it's to be

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01:57:51,520 --> 01:57:54,640
Speaker 2: a tidal wave of Mavericks support. We got a push back,

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01:57:54,680 --> 01:57:55,560
Speaker 2: all right, Well, I'm.

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Speaker 1: On the record yesterday Celtics in seven. So it's up

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Speaker 1: to you, Rich, which way are you laning for this

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Speaker 1: NBA Finals matchup?

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Speaker 3: I agree with Bo. I think it's Celtics in five. Wow.

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Speaker 3: I think that the opening game, to your point earlier, Steve,

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Speaker 3: is going to determine a lot. My expectation is the

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Speaker 3: Celtics are gonna take game one, and at some point

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Speaker 3: the Mavericks will sneak out a win, but it's gonna

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Speaker 3: be a Gentleman's sweep, and it's gonna be very similar

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Speaker 3: to how the rest of the playoffs went.

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Speaker 4: I would say if it went that way at all,

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Speaker 4: I would not be upset about it. Not to stick

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Speaker 4: it to any Lakers fans around here, It's just I'm

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Speaker 4: going for my grand my late grandfather, celebration of life

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Speaker 4: here at the end of June.

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Speaker 2: And I know him growing up.

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Speaker 4: He was a very he played basketball in high school

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Speaker 4: in college, but he was a very big Celtics fan. Well,

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Speaker 4: he always staked up all night watching the league games

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Speaker 4: on NBA.

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Speaker 1: So here's my edit, because I know a lot of

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Speaker 1: Laker fans would be upset if they lost the tie.

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Speaker 1: They finally achieved, by the way, they includes five championships

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Speaker 1: in Minneapolis, the Lakers seventeen championships.

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Speaker 2: Also including the Celtics.

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Speaker 4: You know, championships when it was a part time job too,

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Speaker 4: so you know you win some you.

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Speaker 2: Look anyway, show, But I Bill Russell Lyne again.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but my attitude if you're a Laker fan getting

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Speaker 1: nervous about the Celtics breaking the tie is forget that.

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Speaker 1: How about winning eighteen nineteen twenty on your own? How

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01:59:22,040 --> 01:59:26,280
Speaker 1: about is getting better I just I don't have a

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Speaker 1: lot of faith right now in the direction that the

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Speaker 1: Lakers going, since the ultimate goal is not about making money,

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Speaker 1: ultimately winning championship.

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Speaker 13: Now, but then JJ Redick's going to be Steve Kerry

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Speaker 13: two point zero.

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Speaker 2: Alry could be Steve Nash. The NBA is just better

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01:59:42,920 --> 01:59:43,560
Speaker 2: when we have both.

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Speaker 4: I still remember my first basketball game on the Sega

2285
01:59:46,120 --> 01:59:49,960
Speaker 4: Genesis was Lakers versus Celtics at the NBA Finals.

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Speaker 2: That's how this league used to sell it. That's exactly both.

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01:59:53,280 --> 01:59:55,520
Speaker 2: It's yin and yang, I mean, and so.

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Speaker 1: You know, if you're a Laker fan nervous about the

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01:59:59,640 --> 02:00:01,600
Speaker 1: cel I'd be more nervous about the Lakers.

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Speaker 2: Forget about the Celtics.

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Speaker 1: They're at least putting themselves in a position to win

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Speaker 1: a championship.

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Speaker 2: What are the Lakers doing well?

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Speaker 3: I mean, look, the Lakers. They made it to the

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Speaker 3: Western Conference Final last year. It's like a fluke Boston Nuggets.

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Speaker 3: I mean, this year, they got they got well, they

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Speaker 3: it was competitive. It was a competitive sweep.

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Speaker 2: Geez.

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Speaker 1: This is why you've really lowered the bar. All right,

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Speaker 1: So we'll see how it plays out. At least we'll

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Speaker 1: have one game to talk about next Sunday, much more

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Speaker 1: coming up here, a full day of sports. There's only

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Speaker 1: one place to be, and you've already arrived. This is

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