1 00:00:02,400 --> 00:00:14,800 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news, single best idea on 2 00:00:14,960 --> 00:00:19,440 Speaker 1: Apple podcasts, on YouTube podcasts as well. Thrilled with that. 3 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:23,919 Speaker 1: I'm late to the party, you know, I just you know. 4 00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 1: I got a briefing Friday from a senior guy at 5 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:31,680 Speaker 1: Westwood One and it was just simply a podcast walkthrough, 6 00:00:31,720 --> 00:00:35,279 Speaker 1: and I really didn't realize YouTube is really beginning to 7 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:38,360 Speaker 1: do well with podcast distribution. So good morning to that. 8 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:39,879 Speaker 1: I got to look that up. We'll have much more 9 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:42,320 Speaker 1: on that this busy week as well. Of course, the 10 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:46,440 Speaker 1: Fed on Wednesday. As I said last week, something changed 11 00:00:46,479 --> 00:00:51,120 Speaker 1: in the air Thursday, and I've never seen the balance 12 00:00:51,159 --> 00:00:53,960 Speaker 1: between twenty five and fifty bases point a quarter point 13 00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:57,560 Speaker 1: inter straight cut, a half point inter straight cut, and 14 00:00:57,640 --> 00:01:01,200 Speaker 1: the endecision, the uncertainty Doctor Wang and A Wong and 15 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:04,200 Speaker 1: Bloomberg really led on this. I give her great credit. 16 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:06,959 Speaker 1: She hit a bar chart out that was just completely 17 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:10,240 Speaker 1: unusual in the history of the FED. So we got 18 00:01:10,240 --> 00:01:14,360 Speaker 1: through the weekend and we had the Wallstreet Journal had 19 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:16,960 Speaker 1: an article the ft, had an article this, that and 20 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:20,319 Speaker 1: the other, and very clearly on a Monday morning, we 21 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:23,560 Speaker 1: had the bond market showing price up, yield down, and 22 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:26,119 Speaker 1: lower yields, particularly with a two year yield breaking down 23 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:28,959 Speaker 1: to a new low. And then at six thirty New 24 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:32,840 Speaker 1: York time to borrow the phrase, all hell broke loose. 25 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:36,320 Speaker 1: William Dudley, the former president of the New York Fed, writing 26 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:40,560 Speaker 1: for Bloomberg Opinion, put out a blistering note saying he 27 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:44,760 Speaker 1: supports a fifty basis point rate cut always on surveillance. 28 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:49,080 Speaker 1: We have the privilege of these guests, William Dudley, right 29 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:50,920 Speaker 1: now on fifty basis points. 30 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:54,840 Speaker 2: I think what's essentially happened is the change expectations last 31 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 2: week with those two articles that came out on the 32 00:01:57,040 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 2: Wall Street Journal and the Financial Times, sort of suspicious 33 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 2: article because they basically reopened the possibility of fifty when 34 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:06,520 Speaker 2: that was sort of getting closed off. Since that time, 35 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:09,480 Speaker 2: we haven't had any you know, FED intervention in any 36 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 2: way that's visible. So it seems at least that the 37 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:16,400 Speaker 2: FED is comfortable with the shifting expectations away from twenty 38 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:19,520 Speaker 2: five to fifty. So I don't think, you know, as 39 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:21,760 Speaker 2: time passes, I think what's going to happen is we're 40 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:24,520 Speaker 2: going to continue to price more in the direction of fifty. 41 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:27,440 Speaker 1: In a multiple meeting sense, of three more meetings this year, 42 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:30,639 Speaker 1: wrapped around the presidential election. They literally meet the day 43 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 1: after with an announcement. The FED decides two days after 44 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:39,440 Speaker 1: the November fifth election. Part of this in with the analysis, 45 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:42,520 Speaker 1: of course, the analysis of Bloomberg is how do I 46 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:44,840 Speaker 1: not lose money in the stock market? How do I 47 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:48,120 Speaker 1: buy bonds where price goes up yield goes down? How 48 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:50,120 Speaker 1: do I buy foreign exchange? What do I play in 49 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:52,680 Speaker 1: the dollar? What does the litmus paper the foreign exchange 50 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:56,480 Speaker 1: system mean? Paul Sweeney paying under three dollars a gallon 51 00:02:57,840 --> 00:03:00,440 Speaker 1: for the for his it's not a bell. What's the 52 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:03,959 Speaker 1: I can't remember. I can't remember what card is it 53 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:07,200 Speaker 1: Paul has? But anyways, you know, the gas is coming down, 54 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:11,080 Speaker 1: commodities are coming down. It's all this market squirrel of 55 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:15,360 Speaker 1: the elites. Bill Dudley was iconic out of Berkeley at 56 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:19,079 Speaker 1: Golden Sachs and with the New York Fed of always 57 00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:23,560 Speaker 1: watching the broad spectrum of the American economy. Maybe with 58 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:28,399 Speaker 1: that responsibility on the island of Manhattan, of realizing it's 59 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:32,919 Speaker 1: not just about Manhattan. Bill Dudley, on the FED and 60 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:33,480 Speaker 1: the poor. 61 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:37,000 Speaker 2: Well, I actually think the priory motivation for the interest 62 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:40,080 Speaker 2: rates cut is the deterioration out for low and modern 63 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:40,960 Speaker 2: income workers. 64 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:43,120 Speaker 3: We start to think about the you know, the consumer 65 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:46,400 Speaker 3: spenning reports have gotten recently. It's all about stress at 66 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 3: the low end, and I think that's what's motivating the 67 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:50,760 Speaker 3: FED to cut rates more quickly. I think they're definitely 68 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:52,120 Speaker 3: taking that into consideration. 69 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:58,920 Speaker 1: Bill Dudley. There the I should say, singing from the 70 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:03,960 Speaker 1: same hymnal Jerome power, that they look at all Americans. Finally, 71 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 1: on this communication exercise, just some inside baseball, the Bank 72 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:13,120 Speaker 1: of England has visible descent, acrimony and good quality, good cheer. 73 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:17,760 Speaker 1: I should say about descent argument, and that the Fed 74 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:23,680 Speaker 1: no one descents well. Bowman descended a number of meetings ago, 75 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:26,200 Speaker 1: but it was sort of kind of like descent. Basically, 76 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:29,960 Speaker 1: nobody's descentant. You can't figure out what they're doing besides 77 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:33,719 Speaker 1: this idiotic analysis of the FED speeches the minutes, and 78 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 1: that maybe Chairman Powell speaks like a Jackson hole and 79 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:43,000 Speaker 1: clarity is assumed, or maybe there's smoke signals from selected media. 80 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:46,039 Speaker 1: Bill Dudley on the smoke signals. 81 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:47,520 Speaker 3: This is sort of awkward and you really shouldn't be 82 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:51,679 Speaker 3: communicating through these sort of articles in such a subtle 83 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:53,640 Speaker 3: way that some people get it and some people don't. 84 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:56,520 Speaker 3: That doesn't seem to be very fair for people to 85 00:04:56,520 --> 00:04:58,359 Speaker 3: get the right signal from the FED. I think what 86 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:03,000 Speaker 3: basically happened was the issue of twenty five versus fifty 87 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:05,880 Speaker 3: was getting sort of closed off as you approached the 88 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:09,039 Speaker 3: blackout period. Coll didn't want it to be closed off 89 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:12,400 Speaker 3: because he's actually thinking pretty strobably about fifty basis points, 90 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:15,000 Speaker 3: and this was the way to keep it open. And 91 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:17,080 Speaker 3: I think what's happened as people have reflected on a 92 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:20,480 Speaker 3: bit more, the logic for fifty has become very compelling 93 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:22,599 Speaker 3: to people, and that's why I think that's what the 94 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:24,599 Speaker 3: Fit's going to do at this meeting this week. 95 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:27,599 Speaker 1: Bill Dudley there just a generous amount of time with 96 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:32,120 Speaker 1: us today after his market moving essay for Bloomberg Opinion. 97 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:34,120 Speaker 1: We will go to Wednesday that fed to size. I 98 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 1: look for our coverage. My people haven't even briefed me 99 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:38,520 Speaker 1: yet on who we have, but I'm sure it'll be 100 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:41,080 Speaker 1: just as good as what we had last time around. 101 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:45,040 Speaker 1: Great conversation wrapped around the announcement and then on to 102 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:48,360 Speaker 1: the press conference, and after the press conference, some good work. 103 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:50,919 Speaker 1: I hope Jeff Rosenberg at Black Rock shows up always 104 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 1: as after the press conference guest of what the bond 105 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:58,800 Speaker 1: market thinks of the FED action. 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