Speaker 1: Hey, guys, welcome to another episode of Eating While Broke.
Speaker 1: I'm your host, Colleen Witt, and today we have a
Speaker 1: very special TV host, entrepreneur podcaster that Beach exactly very
Speaker 1: special guests I do.
Speaker 2: We just have to end up bleeping them out for sol.
Speaker 2: Do you believe about your social No?
Speaker 3: Sorry, well I heard it.
Speaker 2: It messes with the algorithms.
Speaker 3: Oh that's probably true.
Speaker 4: Maybe that's why we haven't.
Speaker 1: Weezy is from Horrible Decisions. She also has a TV
Speaker 1: show called Sex Cells, and she.
Speaker 2: Is an entrepreneur.
Speaker 1: She owns podcast recording studios in New York. And am
Speaker 1: I missing a market?
Speaker 3: Not yet? If you recorded me in two months, you would.
Speaker 1: Be okay hopefully, Alana and I real know, okay, okay,
Speaker 1: but I'm really excited to have Weezy. I met you
Speaker 1: probably over a year ago and literally like, I just
Speaker 1: I love everything you're about and I plan to take notes.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, but what do you have us eating as
Speaker 2: your broke dish today?
Speaker 3: Well, my broke dish today is gourmet maca cheese because
Speaker 3: I feel like, well, gourmet meat and macajeese because I
Speaker 3: don't like to say hot dogs. It sounds cheap and
Speaker 3: the meal is cheap. But like when broke, I was like,
Speaker 3: I need to feel full fast, and I always thought
Speaker 3: that was like a protein and carbs, and so hot
Speaker 3: dogs and macaroni and cheese like the easiest thing, even
Speaker 3: though by itself, I feel like it tastes like shit.
Speaker 3: So I just tried to dress it up what I had. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I saw that.
Speaker 1: I saw these extra ingredients, and I didn't know which
Speaker 1: direction your meal was going. So for our listeners, can
Speaker 1: you say what.
Speaker 2: Is in the gourmet meg cheese?
Speaker 3: So I'm gonna be real with you. Allive oil is
Speaker 3: very expensive when your rope like this is what eight
Speaker 3: dollars for this? Maybe ten? Probably? Yeah, So I would
Speaker 3: use criscal but virgin olive oil. Lorry I don't know
Speaker 3: how to say his name, but Tony.
Speaker 1: Shiericus, I just call it Tony seasoning, Tony creole.
Speaker 3: So we have the mixing bowls. I don't know why.
Speaker 2: Oh I thought you were gonna drain the mac and
Speaker 2: cheese water.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I didn't even have a bad I didn't
Speaker 3: have a what's it called. I would take the top
Speaker 3: pour it out.
Speaker 1: Okay, we usually do that on the show. By the way,
Speaker 1: this is just a fruit strainer.
Speaker 2: But go on, what's the ingredients.
Speaker 3: I like Nathan's. I'm not sure why. Hebrew National wasn't
Speaker 3: my thing, but Nathan's was like the skinny ones. Like Nathan's,
Speaker 3: We've got the cutting board of the knife so that
Speaker 3: you could slice up the hot dogs, onions, butter, and milk. Awesome.
Speaker 1: Now it's funny because I've done mac and cheese before.
Speaker 1: In my greatest accomplishment was adding tuna to the mac
Speaker 1: and cheese. Okay, but I am excited because there's so much.
Speaker 3: Don't go together. So I think it's loster mac and
Speaker 3: cheese and that's it.
Speaker 2: Hey, I was broke. I didn't. I don't even know.
Speaker 5: You.
Speaker 1: But but no, I'm excited because this is my first
Speaker 1: time ever in the history of living on this earth,
Speaker 1: having gourmet mac and cheese.
Speaker 2: And it's really cool.
Speaker 3: You know what I actually put in my grame?
Speaker 2: Look you getting all hyped into it?
Speaker 3: What what? Okay? Now that I'm getting money when I
Speaker 3: make gromet mac and cheese for overall, I put like
Speaker 3: five different type of cheeses in it, and I put
Speaker 3: a little bit of beer whenever I Yes, I can't
Speaker 3: remember where I learned about the beer from but it's
Speaker 3: something about the yeast and the beer. Oh my god,
Speaker 3: you can taste it. It's so good. Beer costs extra money,
Speaker 3: so I felt like I shouldn't added that.
Speaker 1: No, no, but that's your But you now that you
Speaker 1: make money, you actually do to.
Speaker 2: A still a twist the gourmet maga cheer.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you're hilarious. My mom hates it. She's like,
Speaker 3: this is so ridiculous because every Thanksgiving we have hers,
Speaker 3: which is classic bag mac burn at the top, and
Speaker 3: then mine is the bougie back.
Speaker 2: And you're mixed, right, So is your mom black?
Speaker 3: My mom is black and my dad's is really okay,
Speaker 3: maybe it should be Hebrew national.
Speaker 2: You're hilarious.
Speaker 1: My dad is Jewish and my mom is Jamaican. So
Speaker 1: I have the same black and white mix because I
Speaker 1: never ever meet it where the mom is black and
Speaker 1: the dad is white. Whenever I see someone like that,
Speaker 1: I'm like, hey, that's crazy, all right.
Speaker 2: You always see the other PEO was like.
Speaker 3: You're like black and Jewish. You're like Drake.
Speaker 2: Well, it used to be Lenny was the big thing
Speaker 2: back in the day.
Speaker 3: People don't know nothing, you not these young kids.
Speaker 2: But all right, weezy.
Speaker 1: So I am dying to try this gourmet mac so
Speaker 1: come away.
Speaker 3: It's not gonna be good.
Speaker 2: Why you say that?
Speaker 3: Because think about the stuff we eat today. I mean,
Speaker 3: you eat shitty meals all the time.
Speaker 1: With Oh let me tell you. I'm getting to the
Speaker 1: point where I'm gonna start rating it. And I've been
Speaker 1: because I've been pretty nice. Someone made tuna castrole.
Speaker 2: It's gonna get me caught up.
Speaker 1: But this it was literally it's tuna castrole and the
Speaker 1: pickled egg is the worst dish for me on the
Speaker 1: on the shell. If people said the worst pickled eg
Speaker 1: Have you had a pickled egg?
Speaker 3: I thought casseroles are for Caucasians. And this is the
Speaker 3: Black Black Network. It was.
Speaker 1: It was two black sisters that owned a all black
Speaker 1: owned store that carries all black owned and they made
Speaker 1: a tuna castrole and it was absolutely that's terrible.
Speaker 3: Putting the olive oil in the pan for the onions
Speaker 3: because I like it to caramelize, okay, okay, But also
Speaker 3: I'm gonna boil the hot dogs, start boiling the macacheese.
Speaker 3: And while that's boiling, that's where I'd just be trying
Speaker 3: to get the flavor with the onions, and Shita tastes
Speaker 3: like extra. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I just learned the other day that some people seasoned
Speaker 1: the onions.
Speaker 2: Are you one of those people?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 3: Am? I Karen? Now it was? It was a black girl. Damn,
Speaker 3: I don't know. That's what I'm saying. I expect her
Speaker 3: to be black. You you said you're a carot. You
Speaker 3: want to know something that's just too black? My mom,
Speaker 3: every time she watches my dog, won't feed the dog
Speaker 3: dog food. It's only like chicken, right, And I was like, Mom,
Speaker 3: why is that chicken color different? Oh well, it has
Speaker 3: a little garlic powder and just a little season on it.
Speaker 2: She seas in the dog's foods there's too bland, no way.
Speaker 3: And every time I got the dog be peen out
Speaker 3: of its ask. Actually, there's a very special day and
Speaker 3: week for me. By the way, my parents, I moved
Speaker 3: them to LA, so they're flying to night.
Speaker 2: You moved them.
Speaker 3: They live in Orlando, so literally I'm New York Orlando, LA.
Speaker 3: And I was like, I can't do this triangle. It's
Speaker 3: got to be one back and forth, okay. So I
Speaker 3: just wanted them closer to me, so that that to
Speaker 3: me was like a big life goal. That's summer Orlando.
Speaker 1: First of all, that's a yeah, cause it would have
Speaker 1: been cheaper to move from LA to Orlando.
Speaker 3: You moved them to a more expensive market. I want
Speaker 3: them to be closer to me. This is where all
Speaker 3: my work is happening. And like, yeah, I mean, Orlando's
Speaker 3: where I'm from. So it was any day go on
Speaker 3: my birthday this year, I went to suspend it with
Speaker 3: my father. My dad, he's in a wheelchair, so it's
Speaker 3: a lot more difficult for him to visit me like
Speaker 3: my mom does. People probably see my mom all over
Speaker 3: my content. But my dad was like, damn, I wish
Speaker 3: I could watch TV with you all the time. I
Speaker 3: wish we could have these moments together, Like I wish
Speaker 3: I could be in LA with you and your mom.
Speaker 3: And I was like, well, shit, you guys could be there,
Speaker 3: and so yeah, I mean to me, it's crazy to
Speaker 3: make this meal today. I actually walked by a T
Speaker 3: Mobile store, which was my last job, to walk by
Speaker 3: a T Mobile store making the meal. I made it
Speaker 3: when I was broken. I'm literally able to afford to
Speaker 3: move my parents here, but who knows, maybe they gonna
Speaker 3: spend so much money. I'm gonna have to eat this
Speaker 3: shit again.
Speaker 1: No, no, but you're making like really big moves.
Speaker 2: I was.
Speaker 1: I'm so excited about having this conversation with you because
Speaker 1: knowing that you came from Brokeness and seeing like you're
Speaker 1: making like chess moves like effortlessly. So when I say like,
Speaker 1: I'm pulling out the pen like, I've been working for
Speaker 1: myself for a long time, but I definitely don't make
Speaker 1: the type of money that I need to make. I'm
Speaker 1: still in the Jamaican like two thousand here, five thousand here,
Speaker 1: three thousand here equals twelve thousand. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: But I'm not at the point where I'm playing chess.
Speaker 1: So I'm literally excited about this episode because we're all
Speaker 1: about to get took to.
Speaker 3: School, you, I hope.
Speaker 2: So yeah, So I hope I do the due deal
Speaker 2: with Just tell us what was.
Speaker 1: Going on when you were making Gourmet mac and Cheese,
Speaker 1: the original.
Speaker 3: So I'll tell you this coming from Brokeness was.
Speaker 1: Something that I thought you were gonna put the Sorry.
Speaker 1: I thought you were going to do the smaller pan
Speaker 1: for the hot dogs, and I had your pan for
Speaker 1: that them first. I don't know if they you're gonna
Speaker 1: boil him in the mac and cheese.
Speaker 3: This is the maca cheese potting.
Speaker 2: No, it was the other because that pot small. I
Speaker 2: love you.
Speaker 1: I'm making my own Okay, I'm staying out of the kitchen.
Speaker 3: Said you're gonna take.
Speaker 1: Just so you know, every time I get involved in
Speaker 1: the kitchen, I burned someone's dish. So I need to
Speaker 1: stay in my life. Okay, okay, made feet, Yeah, because
Speaker 1: I've been burning stuff on people's own meals, all right,
Speaker 1: So so tell me what was going on.
Speaker 2: Sorry.
Speaker 3: So I actually grew up with money and there was
Speaker 3: a stock market crash that happened that lost my parents
Speaker 3: some money, and then my dad ended up having a
Speaker 3: stroke that kept him out of work. And so after that,
Speaker 3: I ended up dating a guy. It was just like
Speaker 3: rich boyfriend that was paying for my school and then
Speaker 3: he was very abusive. Broke up with him and then
Speaker 3: that stopped. My parents couldn't really afford to college. I
Speaker 3: had to help them out because my dad had this stroke.
Speaker 3: So started work at the mall, White House black market
Speaker 3: clothing stores like a hand tailor.
Speaker 1: Bike Yeah, yeah, a little bit high play, yeah, high class,
Speaker 1: that's my first I did.
Speaker 2: Did you steal anything from them, like a few things.
Speaker 3: Ok. Good, good, But then I realized once I had
Speaker 3: to stop, I wasn't like stealing for real, for real, Okay,
Speaker 3: it was just a little shit. And then one day
Speaker 3: I wore something to work and she was like, I
Speaker 3: didn't know you got that dress, and I was like, ah.
Speaker 3: The craziest thing was I went to jail and ended
Speaker 3: up having it was for my license. Everybody thinks it
Speaker 3: was something worse. It was for my license, and I
Speaker 3: had a GPS monitor on my foot, and so I
Speaker 3: had to always wear Maxi dresses to work, or like
Speaker 3: super big boots.
Speaker 2: To cover you got one of those ankle monitors.
Speaker 3: Yes, no way, all working at my house like Marky.
Speaker 3: It was terrible. So then I think I was helping
Speaker 3: a woman that worked at a T mobile store and
Speaker 3: I was selling her mad shit. She's like, you're really
Speaker 3: good at sales. How much she's making here. I don't
Speaker 3: remember what it was, fucking ten dollars an hour, but
Speaker 3: my commission would be good, so it'd be up to
Speaker 3: twenty or thirty. And she was like, I can make
Speaker 3: you double a tea mobile with the way you saw. Oh,
Speaker 3: now I knew nothing about cel phone. She's like, you
Speaker 3: don't have to just have to be cute. It's funny
Speaker 3: because I went on a date the other day, this
Speaker 3: nigga said, you look like a bitch. She used to
Speaker 3: work its emobile. I used to tie my little shirt
Speaker 3: up like this and be like, what kind of fun
Speaker 3: y'all want? I was gonna sell it to all the
Speaker 3: top niggas, the prepaid lines in the box, because you
Speaker 3: weren't supposed to legally sell them a new number every month. Oh,
Speaker 3: so niggas would come in. I just fucking keeps wiping
Speaker 3: the shit whatever. So ended up being so good at
Speaker 3: T mobile selling shit. I think my first year working there,
Speaker 3: I was like twenty two twenty three. I made like
Speaker 3: ninety thousand dollars. Get the heck out crazy. They don't
Speaker 3: pay it over that way, no more. Yeah, but like
Speaker 3: I was selling selling something. The iPhone was hot back then,
Speaker 3: and it just came out and literally was fucking flying
Speaker 3: to Europe, just like experiencing life. Living life still had
Speaker 3: a shitty car with windows, didn't go down, But I
Speaker 3: just spent all my money and experiences, and what I
Speaker 3: realized from those experiences, like, oh I got to get
Speaker 3: more and more and more. Every time you taste a
Speaker 3: little bit of luxury, now you need more and more
Speaker 3: and more, you know. So from there, ended up training
Speaker 3: T Mobile staff in Florida. Then I ended up managing
Speaker 3: a store, and then they moved me to New York
Speaker 3: to work in corporate. And now not saying I couldn't
Speaker 3: have made it to New York alone, but I did
Speaker 3: have a sugar daddy then.
Speaker 1: Okay, And so he was like a legit sugar daddy,
Speaker 1: like what you envisioned in the movies, Like he wasn't
Speaker 1: that hot, and he had paper.
Speaker 3: Oh he paper, Oh yeah, like some bitches have a
Speaker 3: sugar daddy.
Speaker 2: I I he had a plane, he had he had
Speaker 2: a plane.
Speaker 3: Yes, oh he was like legit okay, Oh my god.
Speaker 3: He was so rich. And I met him working in
Speaker 3: with the fucking T mobile. He came in. He had
Speaker 3: like three hundred lines for his company and he was like,
Speaker 3: I'm with Rise and Da Da Da, but his daughter
Speaker 3: wanted something that was only a T Mobile. I was like,
Speaker 3: why don't you move your lines over? And he's like, honey,
Speaker 3: I don't do T Mobile Like this is that's very
Speaker 3: So I think I saved him like twenty five grand
Speaker 3: a month, and he said he was gonna give me
Speaker 3: a gift and I told him. He's like, what are
Speaker 3: you doing this week? I was like, I'm gonna go
Speaker 3: see Beyonce Miami. He was the Formation tour. Okay. He's like,
Speaker 3: how are you gonna get there? I'm like gona drive
Speaker 3: with my friends. He's like, take my jet, and I
Speaker 3: remember my friend's like, oh my god, you gotta suck
Speaker 3: that owd man. We got on that jet and it
Speaker 3: was like, bitch'll.
Speaker 2: Suck a thick jot.
Speaker 3: And so that was like my first entry into whole
Speaker 3: ho ho sheit okay, okay, got me this insane apartment
Speaker 3: in New York. It was like, wait he was doing
Speaker 3: that too, oh yeah, saying when he knew I was
Speaker 3: gonna leave Orlando, He's like, sweetie, I can't have you
Speaker 3: leave me. I was thinking about getting a place in
Speaker 3: New York anyway. He's like, where were you gonna move?
Speaker 3: I was like Manhattan. He goes that means Harlem, which
Speaker 3: was true. So I was Midtown fifty fourth and eighth.
Speaker 3: And it's so funny because my mom came to visit
Speaker 3: me and the address was two sixty West fifty fourth
Speaker 3: or two sixty spy. My mom got to my apartment,
Speaker 3: she goes, oh my god, it's Tudio fifty four is
Speaker 3: right there. She's like, that's where I was going, That's
Speaker 3: where I was meeting these rich guys. You're turning into me.
Speaker 3: She was so proud of me. And I think, what's
Speaker 3: funny is my mom always wanted me to.
Speaker 2: Be such a good personality. Couldn't wear your personality?
Speaker 3: Okay, my mom always wanted me to be with a
Speaker 3: always wanted me to be taken care of. And like,
Speaker 3: it's so crazy because now I'm the rich guy, you know.
Speaker 3: And I don't think she expected it, but it's just amazing.
Speaker 3: Like I never thought i'd get here. I always kind
Speaker 3: of thought and she would say to me, you're gonna
Speaker 3: get married, You're gonna have a big house, and you're
Speaker 3: gonna move me and your dad in the guest house.
Speaker 3: It's gonna be so great. And like literally I'm moving
Speaker 3: them into a place down the street from me. Yeah,
Speaker 3: without an e.
Speaker 1: But how does it not that I also say that
Speaker 1: now you're the rich guy, Like when you do you
Speaker 1: this obviously is in the first time you said it?
Speaker 1: Is it when did you have the epiphany that you
Speaker 1: were the rich guy.
Speaker 2: I damn, that's a good feeling.
Speaker 3: I can't wait to have that feeling. It was It
Speaker 3: wasn't the first time I felt that was. I was
Speaker 3: in Paris with my mom and I took her for
Speaker 3: a birthday and I wanted to fly her first class,
Speaker 3: but I use like an upgrade to getting points then,
Speaker 3: you know, because like first class, I'd be like ten
Speaker 3: fifteen thousand for them. Lay down. And when we got there,
Speaker 3: we get to the hotel and it was really nice,
Speaker 3: and she's like, oh, what's our room?
Speaker 5: Like?
Speaker 3: Oh, room, Like we have two separate rooms and every
Speaker 3: little thing my mom was starting to count in her head,
Speaker 3: like how much was my daughter making?
Speaker 2: Yeah, she said, we.
Speaker 3: Got our own rooms. Okay. Then we go to the store.
Speaker 3: I'm like, you want something, I'll just get a lipstick.
Speaker 3: I'm like, no, Mom, you can get more. You can
Speaker 3: get a bag o.
Speaker 2: Your mom was like, what the break is happening?
Speaker 3: She was bugging out. And then we walk outside of
Speaker 3: the protest store and there's a hotel very famous called
Speaker 3: the Plaza at My mom was telling me how princes
Speaker 3: would take her to dinner there. When she was young
Speaker 3: and she would meet all these guys when she was
Speaker 3: traveling in Europe and this was like the place to go.
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, do you want to have dinner there?
Speaker 3: And that was when it hit my mom. She got
Speaker 3: really emotional and she's like, I cannot fucking believe I'm
Speaker 3: doing this with you. My mom is seventy seventieth birthday
Speaker 3: at the time.
Speaker 2: Oh, you said stay out the lane, so I'm staying.
Speaker 2: I'm watching it.
Speaker 3: I get cooked for her now, Yo.
Speaker 2: You ain't been in the kitchen in a while.
Speaker 3: I cooked this morning.
Speaker 2: Yo, I'm sorry you told me that.
Speaker 1: You told me to stay out the kitchen, and we
Speaker 1: almost about to burn down the whole.
Speaker 2: Don't even know if you don't read on there to
Speaker 2: be on the wood part.
Speaker 3: No, I can't. I was looking for another contract. Okay,
Speaker 3: I'll move it to this one. The ale I tried to.
Speaker 3: I love it, No, but it was. It was beautiful
Speaker 3: because my mom really was just so excited for me,
Speaker 3: so proud of me. I do remember, you know, we
Speaker 3: still niggas at the end of the day, Like we
Speaker 3: sitting here with these fucking Louis bags and all these
Speaker 3: expensive shopping bags and literally, my mom orders a drink.
Speaker 3: She looks at the men. She said, oh shit, that
Speaker 3: was forty three dollars. She was let me sip slow.
Speaker 3: But it's really great because for me, like I don't
Speaker 3: have kids yet, so like spoiling my parents just it's
Speaker 3: like dream come true. Shit for me.
Speaker 2: I can only imagine I really really.
Speaker 3: Have wanted this for myself my life, and like I
Speaker 3: love doing it for my mom. My mom thinks I'm Beyonce.
Speaker 3: Like if we walk into a place and can't get in,
Speaker 3: like you don't know how my daughter is called Charlemagne.
Speaker 3: It's just my mom is like my daughter's on TV
Speaker 3: and they're like, really, what out confuse? But yeah, I
Speaker 3: mean I feel really proud to do that.
Speaker 2: Hell yeah, and they come tonight. This is a big
Speaker 2: freaking deal.
Speaker 3: She's gonna get her nerves well.
Speaker 2: And luckily you moved it right down the street.
Speaker 5: I did. So.
Speaker 3: My mom wanted to get rid of her car. She
Speaker 3: was like, I think I'm getting old. She had a
Speaker 3: little moment. We were looking for her apartment and she
Speaker 3: saw me parallel park. She started crying. I'm like, what's
Speaker 3: wrong with you? She's like, I'm older than I thought.
Speaker 3: I don't know if I can do this shit. I
Speaker 3: got to get rid of my car, like I'm an
Speaker 3: old lady. What if I hit somebody? Thought? And so
Speaker 3: we sold her car. And I'm a little nervous because
Speaker 3: you know, parents don't want to give up too much
Speaker 3: of their autonomy. They need to be able to do
Speaker 3: shit for themselves. So you know, I hope she can't
Speaker 3: moved her in a walkable neighborhood. She'll figure it out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And then now are they still together? So he's
Speaker 1: when does your dad come?
Speaker 5: It is?
Speaker 3: So my dad comes in tonight. He's just like as
Speaker 3: a hospital visit, and it's a little more extensive when
Speaker 3: someone's like fully in a wheelchair. So I wanted my
Speaker 3: mom to have a few days to herself. I'll take
Speaker 3: care of my dad and then you know, okay, in
Speaker 3: a lot of shit they've lived there forever. Okay, Okay,
Speaker 3: so yeah it's a big deal.
Speaker 1: So let's talk about go back to your broke story, okay,
Speaker 1: because I want to know how this elevation because it
Speaker 1: seems like somewhere around your elevation that was like a
Speaker 1: speed track.
Speaker 3: So the broke missus, the brokest I think i'd been
Speaker 3: was when I left the abusive X. Right, he only
Speaker 3: let me keep barely the clothes that I had that
Speaker 3: I had when I like got with him.
Speaker 2: Are we talking like emotional or physical abuse?
Speaker 3: Physical and emotional? He was crazy. I mean, I don't
Speaker 3: know how dark you can get on the show. But like,
Speaker 3: I didn't even know it was bad because I just
Speaker 3: kind of thought when a man is paying for things
Speaker 3: for you, like you deal with a little bit of something, right, Yeah,
Speaker 3: And so to me, if you never close your fist,
Speaker 3: I thought that was fine. I never realized how the
Speaker 3: steps of you know, physical violence can be. Yeah. So
Speaker 3: when I left him, he didn't give me anything. It
Speaker 3: was really tough. I mean, mind you, I went from
Speaker 3: when I was a kid having a driver drive me
Speaker 3: to school that's how my parents were, to like literally
Speaker 3: figuring out what I was gonna do with the last bottles, right,
Speaker 3: So it was really tough. And I couldn't ask my
Speaker 3: parents for anything, didn't want to tell them how bad
Speaker 3: it was.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, so when I moved, he didn't want
Speaker 1: to tell them because they were already struggling.
Speaker 3: Yeah. And then I can't imagine how my mom would feel.
Speaker 3: She's like, oh my god, was like excited about you
Speaker 3: having this rich boyfriend? Yeah, oh yeah, you know. So
Speaker 3: ended up finding a place I think it was seven
Speaker 3: hundred a month, split the rent with a homegirls, a
Speaker 3: two bedroom in Orlando. He was right by Walmart, thank god,
Speaker 3: because that's where I was buying all the fucking hot dogs,
Speaker 3: the mac and cheese. Wrong, but my number one broke
Speaker 3: thing I would do. So I used to hang with
Speaker 3: all the trap news because hello, that was my jam okay,
Speaker 3: and I'm from Florida, right, so like southern culture, big
Speaker 3: car shows, HBC's like it was just fun and basically
Speaker 3: what I would do if they were going to like
Speaker 3: buy a bottle or a table in the club, I
Speaker 3: would see if I had like maybe thirty dollars up
Speaker 3: to my account so that it would overdraft, and have
Speaker 3: them give me the cash. And that was like my
Speaker 3: payday loan to myself.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, hold that you are like really in deep
Speaker 1: when you think of that strategy.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 3: My roommate and I at the time. I remember we
Speaker 3: both got paid on different weeks. So there was a
Speaker 3: Thursday and we both got paid that or I got
Speaker 3: paid that Friday. I was like, damn, we don't have
Speaker 3: detergent left, but we want to go to the club.
Speaker 3: We had like twenty bucks. She was like, okay, we
Speaker 3: get vodka or detergent, and we got vodka. Okay, we
Speaker 3: use some body washing like clean shit. In the same
Speaker 3: we were like, we got to go out and meet
Speaker 3: niggas to make more money. And it's crazy that, like
Speaker 3: that was what I thought being able to have success.
Speaker 3: Look like I got to meet a rich guy. I
Speaker 3: got to be a basketball player this fi or that guy. Yeah,
Speaker 3: which a lot of women still think they need to
Speaker 3: do today.
Speaker 1: I want to subscribe. I'm gonna say it openly. I
Speaker 1: want to subscribe to the rich nigga club because I
Speaker 1: do the opposite. I'm like, are you broken, homeless?
Speaker 2: Let me help you. I can graduate you to the
Speaker 2: next lines.
Speaker 1: Oh no, trust me. You don't want to get in
Speaker 1: that game. You know what the problem is because they'll
Speaker 1: turn around to look at.
Speaker 2: You and be like, I know I'm homeless, but uh oh.
Speaker 3: No, my life, I think I'm better than you. The
Speaker 3: problem is, like I think now, a lot of the
Speaker 3: dudes are in my industry right, so, like the people
Speaker 3: that I'm working amongst, I can't be out here like
Speaker 3: trying to fuck with these niggas for bread like I
Speaker 3: used to. Don't get me wrong, I would still want Toby,
Speaker 3: but like for real, like you know, it's like they'll
Speaker 3: know me from somewhere. I've seen me on something, so
Speaker 3: I don't want to be a bird. Then I just
Speaker 3: end up, you know, a bird with these niggas.
Speaker 1: But whatever, I'll tell you right now, I am learning
Speaker 1: and I am done. So you know, if you ever
Speaker 1: find a rich one, you can always slide on.
Speaker 3: Heyko, I'm like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I've actually I've never actually dated a rich dude.
Speaker 3: My damnsel in distress thing all the time was just
Speaker 3: like I just really want to be able to like
Speaker 3: ount my you know, parents, And it was true. I
Speaker 3: was like, so, I'm just like working really hard and
Speaker 3: I can't ut work college. We're just like, I'm really smart.
Speaker 3: I read a lot. I was always like doing a
Speaker 3: fucking sob story, which I'll tell you what, my sugar daddy.
Speaker 3: A lot of the things that I think helped me
Speaker 3: now are the stock tips and investment tips I got
Speaker 3: for my sugar daddy.
Speaker 1: But didn't didn't you say, were your parents in stock
Speaker 1: market too though it crash okay, So you didn't want
Speaker 1: to take tips from them, were you?
Speaker 2: Like No?
Speaker 3: But you know, with him, particularly my sugar daddy, I
Speaker 3: remember he would get up at four o'clock in the morning,
Speaker 3: five o'clock in the morning and watch the market, to
Speaker 3: watch the markets in China wherever, just international stocks four
Speaker 3: x right, things like that, and it never made me
Speaker 3: want his money. I always wanted to be him. I
Speaker 3: always wanted to be that person that just had this, this, this,
Speaker 3: this and that to me that was so attractive about him.
Speaker 3: People used to always ask me how I could fuck
Speaker 3: him and shit like that, and I was like, bro,
Speaker 3: you don't know how rich the person is. You don't
Speaker 3: know how how much that drives me. The ambition that
Speaker 3: made him sexier and sexier. So one day I eventually
Speaker 3: just asked him like, hey, I really want to learn
Speaker 3: the stock market, but like, you know, what, can I
Speaker 3: put like five hundred dollars in? And he's like, that's
Speaker 3: not a start. I'll give you ten thousand dollars if
Speaker 3: you can make it grow. I forgot the timeframe. He said,
Speaker 3: I'll reward you with another ten and he did wow,
Speaker 3: And I kept growing it and growing it. I think
Speaker 3: at the time I even put the money in T
Speaker 3: Mobile think it opened became a publicly traded company when
Speaker 3: I worked there, became publicly traded and then it was
Speaker 3: six dollars and then they went up to like thirty
Speaker 3: and I thought, I get.
Speaker 5: A lot of money.
Speaker 1: So when you were doing the podcast, and this is before,
Speaker 1: I want to say, before everybody was on podcasting correct,
Speaker 1: seven years ago? Yeah, I mean it was like before
Speaker 1: the new wave or were you guys early in Like
Speaker 1: we were.
Speaker 3: Very early, and like people were verrely really doing video,
Speaker 3: I think for popular podcasts, just for scale.
Speaker 2: I don't understand how you're mixing water and oil and
Speaker 2: you're not getting burns.
Speaker 3: I'm standing away. I'm trying to like I didn't have
Speaker 3: a grill, okay, but I'm trying to get that real plate.
Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, you know what I mean. Okay, gourmet Continue.
Speaker 2: I don't want to derail you.
Speaker 3: This is fucking me up. This is hard. I can't
Speaker 3: even listen to music when I cook one.
Speaker 1: You would be surprised how many people will at the
Speaker 1: after each interview, they'll be like yo, cooking and talking
Speaker 1: at the same time.
Speaker 2: Really really difficult because.
Speaker 3: You're like knowing that you have to engage, like that's
Speaker 3: what's making it.
Speaker 2: And you have to like tell your story the entire time.
Speaker 3: I don't know, I'm about to start telling you some lies.
Speaker 1: No no, So so your sugar baby is sugar babe,
Speaker 1: sugar daddy, so that would make you the.
Speaker 2: Sugar baby, right, sugar baby.
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, I'm going to be a sugar baby.
Speaker 2: I'm going to get a shirt.
Speaker 3: Baby, bros. Every time when I was out with him,
Speaker 3: I would take him to like fucking any and this
Speaker 3: when I just moved to New York. Catch just just
Speaker 3: came out at the time, and SGK was super popular.
Speaker 3: I remember all them niggas if you be looking at
Speaker 3: me with him, and I'd be like, come on, babe.
Speaker 3: Also just turned on knowing that he had to fuck
Speaker 3: me for money, uh huh, which is terrible, but I
Speaker 3: was okay, it was sexy to me, Like especially when
Speaker 3: I remember he would be like, you want to get
Speaker 3: some clothes, and I would always want to get a
Speaker 3: little Nike askic to shit. You know many all the
Speaker 3: niggas of you in yeah, he's my daddy, but so anyway,
Speaker 3: start horrible decisions.
Speaker 1: But I like how you were actually inspired by his
Speaker 1: moves versus well, I don't want to say I like,
Speaker 1: but it's interesting that you were inspired by him being
Speaker 1: successful to be even more successful, and you you took
Speaker 1: the initiative to even say, hey, I want to learn
Speaker 1: what you're doing and do it on my own, which
Speaker 1: was great.
Speaker 3: It's like I always wanted this sex in the city
Speaker 3: life mm hmm, but I never felt like any of
Speaker 3: them needed men to live that life. Yeah, and so
Speaker 3: I wanted to have the girlfriends that I was wearing
Speaker 3: an amazing designer with and fucking enjoying fashion show and
Speaker 3: doing this shit. But I knew if I was tied
Speaker 3: to a man, I wouldn't have that freedom. And I
Speaker 3: had also experienced my first relationship a man with money
Speaker 3: and abuse, so I was like, I have to have
Speaker 3: it on my own. I can't be down again. And
Speaker 3: you know, I hate to say it like this, but
Speaker 3: my mom was a housewife her whole life. And what
Speaker 3: happened to my parents with losing their I mean, their
Speaker 3: house got poor clothes on right, the home that I
Speaker 3: SETI grew up in. It's like it was tough to
Speaker 3: watch them go through that, and I think about two
Speaker 3: incomes or just diversifying shit what that would have meant.
Speaker 3: So that really fueled me a lot. And it's tough
Speaker 3: for my mom to hear that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but why have you had those sidebar conversations?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, definitely, But it's not easy. Like my mom
Speaker 3: is so amazing, but there's moments where she's like, oh
Speaker 3: my god, I never taught you to go out there
Speaker 3: and do it alone.
Speaker 2: Well look at you in a way.
Speaker 3: You're you know, well I made money off of person.
Speaker 2: Well you make money because you're a gangster entrepreneur. That's
Speaker 2: really it. I mean the personality, I mean, in my opinion,
Speaker 2: the personality is just like the cherry on the cake.
Speaker 3: But you know what, I'm a feller at heart. And
Speaker 3: my father that's what he did growing up. He owned
Speaker 3: like camera stores and like you know the little row
Speaker 3: like stores back in the day they'd have where they
Speaker 3: were selling electronic those shops. That was my dad's like
Speaker 3: line of work. Okay, And when I was growing up,
Speaker 3: I mean this shit, that's what I started selling clothes,
Speaker 3: t mobile my BLIZZI Then then like literally everything about
Speaker 3: it felt like selling to me, you know, Like it's
Speaker 3: interesting the way Mandy and I have kind of done
Speaker 3: our business. I always felt like she has really helped
Speaker 3: us so much when it comes in terms of our finances.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: She had a financial background, and even though I came
Speaker 3: from the tech world, was selling like I mean, I'm
Speaker 3: the first person when we're on a call that's like
Speaker 3: I want to do it for this much, this or that,
Speaker 3: And like I loved that. We've been able to play
Speaker 3: up both of our corporate roles in that. Yeah, and
Speaker 3: I've got a lot of seller blood in me. My
Speaker 3: partner Alex now with WTF Media Studios, anytime we have
Speaker 3: a big deal or he sees someone's budget, he's like, oh,
Speaker 3: you have to sell them on the phone. You have
Speaker 3: to tell them why. And I really enjoy it. It makes
Speaker 3: me feel like I still got it a little bit.
Speaker 3: I Uh.
Speaker 2: I always say this that I think I used to
Speaker 2: always say.
Speaker 1: When I have a child, I want to teach her
Speaker 1: how to read, I want to teach her financial literacy,
Speaker 1: I want to teach her about God.
Speaker 2: But the number one skill that she.
Speaker 1: Has to have before she graduates high school is the
Speaker 1: ability to sell. Because I think it is the most
Speaker 1: underrated skill. And if you're going to go work for yourself.
Speaker 1: The number one thing you're gonna have to do is
Speaker 1: sell a product, sell yourself. And so I don't buy anything, yep.
Speaker 1: And I remember when I had my first company. I
Speaker 1: remember going to home deep or office depot and buying
Speaker 1: those little sale books and you know how will out
Speaker 1: my hair pulled back and all this and whatever. But
Speaker 1: I knew right away that sales is the one skill.
Speaker 1: And I would listen to all these audio tapes too
Speaker 1: about like how people you know you're almost nervous getting
Speaker 1: into it.
Speaker 3: Well, what's interesting about selling too? I know Mandy and
Speaker 3: I had a conversation about this, Like, so I never
Speaker 3: finished college because I couldn't afford to finish it because
Speaker 3: I got out of that relationship, right, m I don't
Speaker 3: want it to splatter in all this equipment. I don't
Speaker 3: normally do it like this. But Mandy at the time
Speaker 3: coming off of two degrees working for this huge firm,
Speaker 3: and she was working more hours and not making as
Speaker 3: much as me in accounting at that time. I understand
Speaker 3: it was junior level. Yeah, but I think about that
Speaker 3: a lot, and I think about the money you can
Speaker 3: make from selling all the time, and I think about
Speaker 3: that instance of like, shit, maybe she's smarter than me,
Speaker 3: but why isn't she making it up? And it's because
Speaker 3: that particular skill really can't be taught real you can't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you gotta practice it and practice it and practice
Speaker 1: it and practice it.
Speaker 3: I mean, I believe Mandy is greater than what was
Speaker 3: I gonna say, you know, the job that she had,
Speaker 3: and that's why she's making way more and doing way
Speaker 3: more things now. But yeah, I mean it's definitely a thing. Yeah.
Speaker 3: So yeah, with selling doing shit like that, had horrible
Speaker 3: decisions on the side, and it was really difficult to
Speaker 3: juggle both. And so about two years into doing horrible decisions,
Speaker 3: I quit. But it was mainly because I was like,
Speaker 3: you know what, if I ever wanted to come back
Speaker 3: to this shit, I will, Like I've been making jokes recently,
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh my god, me and fifteen years I'm
Speaker 3: probably gonna be a real estate agent.
Speaker 2: So why did you quit?
Speaker 3: Two years in the trajectory of horrible was faster than
Speaker 3: the trajectory of corporate America. For example, how long do
Speaker 3: we work a corporate job? Right? So you want to
Speaker 3: get promoted? I worked for Tea Mobile six years I
Speaker 3: got to be a manager after year three and a
Speaker 3: half four, if there's a spot for you, so to me,
Speaker 3: I kind of just felt like this is moving faster
Speaker 3: than my rate in the corporate world.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you said you quit horrible.
Speaker 3: Oh sorry, quit my corporate Oh.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, Oh because you were like two years in
Speaker 1: I quit horrible. So no, you quit your corporate okay, okay.
Speaker 3: Got quit my corporate job after two years, and I
Speaker 3: legitimately felt like it was not gonna make me.
Speaker 1: But I have to ask before, how much were you
Speaker 1: making it horrible.
Speaker 2: To say, okay, not as you make it. Oh, you
Speaker 2: weren't making as much as T Mobile.
Speaker 3: So here's the thing, because a lot of people ask
Speaker 3: me when is the right time to quit a job,
Speaker 3: and I can only explain it like this, starting Team Mobile,
Speaker 3: I made ninety thousand, ending I was around one seventy five, okay.
Speaker 2: Which is damn T Mobile, Go ahead, go on.
Speaker 3: It was like I was selling to companies that needed
Speaker 3: like Ethernet I gradual disaster recovery, like I graduated from phones.
Speaker 3: But basically this is what happens, so horrible decisions at
Speaker 3: that time that I quit may have been making me
Speaker 3: one hundred thousand, maybe one twenty five from touring mainly
Speaker 3: not Patreon ad money.
Speaker 2: And that's two years in Yeah, geez, all right, go on,
Speaker 2: And I.
Speaker 3: Think the tour money because Mandy and I were buying
Speaker 3: out theaters, We brought out carolines on Broadway.
Speaker 2: And you guys were physically doing it yourself.
Speaker 3: Splitting that money, paying ourselves back event bright type shit.
Speaker 3: But what I realized was like, oh, took me six
Speaker 3: years to make ninety to one to seventy. Ye, took
Speaker 3: me two years from zero to one hundred. So next
Speaker 3: year I'm gonna make more. Yeah, let's just say I
Speaker 3: make another fifty. It's worth it. Not to mention I
Speaker 3: have more time on my hands. I could probably do
Speaker 3: more appearances and more tour dates, so it's time to quit.
Speaker 3: I also remember one moment it was brilliant idiots. If
Speaker 3: anyone watches that episode, I was literally wearing a suit
Speaker 3: like a blazer and a skirt. But Mandy and I
Speaker 3: had to like make an excuse to leave our jobs
Speaker 3: that day to go shoot with charl Mane and Andrew.
Speaker 3: So I think that it really will show you, like
Speaker 3: when you have to start saying no, to things. Oh
Speaker 3: oh yeah, when you have to start saying no to
Speaker 3: things of your day job, Yes, maybe that's when it's time,
Speaker 3: like when you're really getting booked like that, like TV
Speaker 3: appearances even Like I remember we did Vice Live and
Speaker 3: I couldn't be there early for the rehearsal because of
Speaker 3: my job, and I was like, damn man, and anyone
Speaker 3: who's watching this who might be semi getting entertainment, whether
Speaker 3: you've got a TikTok or popular Instagram channel, you want
Speaker 3: to do a Horrible Decisions podcast and maybe get or
Speaker 3: even eating while robe. Who the fuck is gonna do
Speaker 3: this shit at six thirty seven o'clock at night, right,
Speaker 3: who's gonna do what? Like to have a guest?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Entrepreneurs, Like all this shit gets filmed during the day. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so it's really tough to have a nine to five
Speaker 3: and pursue those entertainment dreams. And like that was why
Speaker 3: I was like, I got to figure the shit out.
Speaker 3: I think my biggest success in this industry came during
Speaker 3: the pandemic while Pivoting. So made the TV show Sex Sells.
Speaker 3: It's about the business of sex, having money, making money
Speaker 3: from sex without having it, And I came up with
Speaker 3: that because that's how I make money, right, I just
Speaker 3: basically talk about sex covered all these adult industries and
Speaker 3: I'm not a TV star, and it ended up popping
Speaker 3: on tuess And that's why I'm on.
Speaker 1: To how did you Did you package that yourself and
Speaker 1: then start selling it or did you package it and
Speaker 1: then started calling Charlemagne or different people you have relationships
Speaker 1: with and like, so have something that I need.
Speaker 3: That's what made me the most proud. I didn't need
Speaker 3: a co sign for that. Okay, I believe Horrible Decisions
Speaker 3: had the Charlemagne co sign, and that's what made a
Speaker 3: lot of people watching in the beginning. I do believe
Speaker 3: Charlemagne made our success faster. Don't believe we're successful because
Speaker 3: it happened faster. But what happened with Sex Sells was
Speaker 3: like I just had so much time during the pandemic
Speaker 3: to think, and I knew my two loves were fucking
Speaker 3: in money m hm, and so I was like, oh
Speaker 3: my god, I should make the show. I want to
Speaker 3: humanize sex workers, and literally people don't talk about their
Speaker 3: sex lives on it, and a lot of people have said, like, oh,
Speaker 3: it's like horrible decisions on TV.
Speaker 2: But it's even it doesn't sound like it.
Speaker 1: It sounds completely different because you're talking about this set
Speaker 1: workers right right.
Speaker 3: I'm an interview a lot of the guests we had
Speaker 3: so that I can, you know, show them some love
Speaker 3: and they've got real businesses promote them. But no, it's
Speaker 3: totally different and I love doing it. It makes me.
Speaker 3: It really brought me into the world of seeing how
Speaker 3: production works, the larger skill budgets and money.
Speaker 1: So but you pitched it yourself, That's what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Like you went out there or did you have a
Speaker 1: manager that helped you so.
Speaker 3: It started slow. I didn't have a manager, never had
Speaker 3: an agent ever.
Speaker 2: Basically, oh still to this date.
Speaker 3: No, not personally, I'm damn, you're a gangster. I have
Speaker 3: a person that gives I give them a cut of
Speaker 3: my money if they do pr stuff for me, but
Speaker 3: if they get me a deal. But yeah, So basically,
Speaker 3: there was a guy that reached out to me months
Speaker 3: back before the pandemic was like, oh, do you want
Speaker 3: to do this type of show? I was like, no,
Speaker 3: Pandemic hits and I was like, you know what, I
Speaker 3: wonder what the fuck he's doing. It's like he making
Speaker 3: TV is TV being made? And we started talking about
Speaker 3: what it would look like if we worked together and
Speaker 3: came up with sex cells together. He worked at FEWS
Speaker 3: at the time. Help me package it, Oh, help me
Speaker 3: make a bible. And we did it that way. But
Speaker 3: what I will tell anyone that has a good TV
Speaker 3: idea is people that work in development needs shows all
Speaker 3: the time. I currently run development for Kenya Barris at Audible. Right, Okay,
Speaker 3: don't send me shit right now, I'm done with that.
Speaker 3: But like literally, I was wondering what shows we're gonna
Speaker 3: make for him, Like developers want to fucking know, and
Speaker 3: if you have good ideas, shooting pilots, making decks, having
Speaker 3: a bible, having the demographics of why it would be good,
Speaker 3: not just coming in their blank like hey, I'm not
Speaker 3: doing anything like I've been doing XYZ. Like if you
Speaker 3: hit up the Food Network, you'd have how much to
Speaker 3: show them?
Speaker 2: So real?
Speaker 3: You know what I mean.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna take notes. Remember how I said I'll take
Speaker 2: it notes, goge you.
Speaker 3: Did, But like here it is, here's my spread, and
Speaker 3: this is what I do with this type of budget.
Speaker 3: Imagine if you gave me fifty thousand an episode, I
Speaker 3: could be doing it on THEE. I could be coming
Speaker 3: to their homes. I could be x y Z.
Speaker 5: Like.
Speaker 3: There's so many different ways for the things that we're
Speaker 3: making right now to make them next level. Yeah, and
Speaker 3: so I think that we just kind of have to
Speaker 3: use our network. Like my biggest thing with playing chess
Speaker 3: is making sure that I'm rubbing elbows with those that
Speaker 3: can one day need to use me for something.
Speaker 2: I need to use you. That's awesome, Yeah.
Speaker 3: Because the thing is, I remember Charlotte, he said this
Speaker 3: about someone They were like. He was like, that person
Speaker 3: is such an opportunist, and I was like, I wonder
Speaker 3: if that's who I am. But really, I don't ask
Speaker 3: I let every single person know what the fuck I do.
Speaker 3: I just had a dinner where I sat down next
Speaker 3: to one of the most famous comedians in the world.
Speaker 3: I don't even know if this person can travel on
Speaker 3: a commercial plane, that's how famous they are, right. Wow.
Speaker 3: When they asked me what I do, didn't even say
Speaker 3: a podcasting. I was like, I own a production studio
Speaker 3: in New York and LA. It's black owned. We shoot
Speaker 3: podcasts mainly, but we also have a mobile team Boom.
Speaker 3: Now it's in your brain. Now you know what you
Speaker 3: can use me for. Like, that's the job I felt
Speaker 3: like I needed to sell to that person at the time.
Speaker 3: When I talk to TV show, TV networks or people
Speaker 3: that work in Netflix or different things like that I host,
Speaker 3: I do this, I do that right, Like I want
Speaker 3: to make sure that I'm useful to people that I've
Speaker 3: rebbed elbows with.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think your sales skills like shines through. I
Speaker 1: always say, like sales is more about paying attention to
Speaker 1: what the customer wants, listening to them.
Speaker 2: And then catering to their needs.
Speaker 1: That's just trying to sell someone something that they don't
Speaker 1: want to buy. So even the way you're talking is
Speaker 1: like your sales skills are just really amazing. Yeah, because
Speaker 1: that's how it is. You're supposed to sell. You're supposed
Speaker 1: to you know, if someone walks up to me right now,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna think about, you know what it is they're
Speaker 1: gonna need or want from me.
Speaker 3: Correct. You know, that's a really good point because I
Speaker 3: didn't even think about me selling myself in that way,
Speaker 3: but like, damn it is.
Speaker 2: It is.
Speaker 1: But now opportunists is different because opportunists are I always
Speaker 1: say I want to be a business person, not a hustler,
Speaker 1: because I feel like a hustler is like, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: take advantage, someone's gonna get a short end of a stick.
Speaker 1: But a business person is like, we're all gonna win.
Speaker 1: You're gonna walk away with your piece of the pie.
Speaker 1: She's gonna walk away with her piece of pie, and
Speaker 1: I'm gonna walk away with my piece.
Speaker 3: And no one feels to agreed. You can never make
Speaker 3: someone feel like they're doing you a favor.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like at all.
Speaker 3: I mean, Charlotte Mane was lucky and lucky enough to
Speaker 3: make horrible decisions with his rollout on Black Effect. I
Speaker 3: know there's eighty five South all the smoke, and I
Speaker 3: literally was thinking to myself the other day, Charla Mainne
Speaker 3: is Charlot Mane, But horrible decisions was still good enough
Speaker 3: to where Black Effects was like, oh, we do need
Speaker 3: those numbers. But when we sell to add people like
Speaker 3: I don't want to fucking suck anybody's dick to feel
Speaker 3: like and I'm not talking about that instance, but just
Speaker 3: anyone like, thank you so much for giving this to you. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: when you know your value, yeah yeah, we have to
Speaker 3: make sure that we're definitely pouring into ourselves in that way.
Speaker 3: But I mean, shit, you know I love fuse to death,
Speaker 3: but I also know my show brings number then and
Speaker 3: I know that's why they treat me well. They love
Speaker 3: me too, Like we're definitely doing what we need to
Speaker 3: do for each other. Like I'm so happy to be
Speaker 3: on a network that you know I can be their
Speaker 3: most watch show. Like maybe if I was on an
Speaker 3: HBO or some Netflix, maybe I would just kind of
Speaker 3: go under the radar.
Speaker 2: I don't think so. Maybe I honestly don't think so.
Speaker 2: Thank you, I don't think so. I'm not even trying
Speaker 2: to be not well, what was your hardest hurdle?
Speaker 1: I think it just to come to day because I
Speaker 1: feel like you have a lot of great pivots. But like,
Speaker 1: where was there a point where you were like I
Speaker 1: don't know, hmm that you seriously like had that conversation
Speaker 1: of I don't know.
Speaker 3: And it could have been my studio. Okay, my studio,
Speaker 3: which is the best thing I've ever done. Actually, my
Speaker 3: studio gave me the seal of approval to be bigger
Speaker 3: than just a podcaster, Like that was when I became
Speaker 3: a businesswoman. No matter how hard Mandy and I have worked.
Speaker 3: I never felt like that, and it's no shade to her.
Speaker 3: I don't know if it's because with women. I don't
Speaker 3: know if it's because we talk about sex, but like
Speaker 3: I had to do something else for myself to feel
Speaker 3: like I could be respected. And it really shows something
Speaker 3: about brick and mortar spaces to make people feel very like, oh,
Speaker 3: they're really doing something, which is weird. But it's also
Speaker 3: because I started getting other people money, Like.
Speaker 2: Thought, what was the hesitancy, Like, where was that hesitancy at? Like,
Speaker 2: where was that pain that investment?
Speaker 3: Right? My partner Alex shout out to him, we spent
Speaker 3: an insane amount of money on fucking equipment, which is
Speaker 3: why we have one of the best studios right, Like literally,
Speaker 3: I was like, how can we be charging people this
Speaker 3: little but like our equipment is so fucking expensive, like
Speaker 3: it doesn't add up or whatever. Yeah, and he was like, Yo,
Speaker 3: that's why everybody's gonna come with us, to know that
Speaker 3: the podcasters like us can be there and then the
Speaker 3: Charlottamanees of the world or whoever they may be. David
Speaker 3: Letterman wasn't our shit, Oh shit, right?
Speaker 2: Okay, he's like to know these people and okay.
Speaker 3: You can sit amongst them like we're gonna be for
Speaker 3: all of them. And that's really been our brand. I
Speaker 3: believe that's why we're growing. I mean, we get resumes
Speaker 3: like fucking crazy every day.
Speaker 1: So how long did it take when you so you
Speaker 1: made that initial investment. The by the way, you're cooking
Speaker 1: like we are in a rich restaurant.
Speaker 2: Because the point look at all the food she.
Speaker 1: Made, and it's like, I feel like I'm about to
Speaker 1: eat an appetizer, Gormet.
Speaker 3: You try to make it look clean and minimally.
Speaker 1: When the cameras are off, I'm gonna just go in
Speaker 1: with a fork and just eat everything direct.
Speaker 2: I know it. Yeah, because I'm starving and you gave
Speaker 2: me like an appetizer.
Speaker 3: It's fucking hot dogs. Girl.
Speaker 1: I want to see you sit down next to this
Speaker 1: mic and spend quality time with me.
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, let's try this. It looks good but.
Speaker 5: Not bad.
Speaker 3: You look's the onions.
Speaker 2: I'm surprised you didn't mix these in together.
Speaker 3: Funny enough, my co host talks about Haitian spaghetti and
Speaker 3: it's hot dogs in it. I never mixed the hot
Speaker 3: dogs of pasta. But this is kind of good. This
Speaker 3: ship is amazing. Did you mix it all on one?
Speaker 5: For it?
Speaker 3: I put it together on I don't want to touch
Speaker 3: on the plate.
Speaker 2: For all y'all listeners. The hot dog and the onions smack.
Speaker 1: I definitely will mess with Nathan's just because I feel
Speaker 1: like maybe it tastes different or I just haven't had
Speaker 1: a hot dog in a while. But the freaking grilled
Speaker 1: onions and mac and cheese cheese is genius. Bro I
Speaker 1: don't know why I've never thought of seasoning up my
Speaker 1: mac and cheese.
Speaker 2: But the grilled onions, it's crunchy, it's amazing.
Speaker 3: I am so happy.
Speaker 2: I am very impressible. The only thing is.
Speaker 1: I would maybe add and I don't even know, but
Speaker 1: do you agree? Would you add more salt to the
Speaker 1: mac and cheese?
Speaker 3: Oh? I put salt on my stuff, but I don't
Speaker 3: want to do that to people. Oh okay, that's what
Speaker 3: the lorries for you. You know, sodium is a bitch nowadays.
Speaker 3: M Plus, there's a lot of salt in that Tony
Speaker 3: Sharia whatever name is.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: So for a girl that came from money, went broke,
Speaker 1: had sugar daddies and it's self made to the point
Speaker 1: of flying your family in from Orlando to LA still
Speaker 1: in the early early I don't even want to say
Speaker 1: how early thirties she is because all of us are listening.
Speaker 2: Can you believe that much you've accomplished. It's amazing.
Speaker 3: You know. Sometimes I get scared, like I'll lose it,
Speaker 3: But then I realize the hunger that I have to
Speaker 3: help everybody around me is too deep. It's too intense
Speaker 3: that I don't think it could happen.
Speaker 2: Now do you deal with well?
Speaker 1: You said you have multiple companies. You're definitely spread. It
Speaker 1: sounds to me like you're spread pretty thin. I'm so
Speaker 1: happy you shared that because I always.
Speaker 2: Think that maybe I'm doing something wrong if I have
Speaker 2: so many hustles going at the same time.
Speaker 3: You know, there is something to be said about a
Speaker 3: master of none. But I will say this much what's
Speaker 3: worked for me. I don't steal anybody's idea. I really
Speaker 3: ride my own wave. I made a studio not because
Speaker 3: there's other podcast studios, because there were no black owned
Speaker 3: ones that were gonna have podcasters run it. I'd never
Speaker 3: been to a podcast studio run by a podcaster. I
Speaker 3: made horrible decisions because I really wanted to do a
Speaker 3: fun sex show with someone that I knew was authentic,
Speaker 3: and there were no black shows about sex that were
Speaker 3: hosted by normal girls. Yeah right, it was always like
Speaker 3: porn stars or whatever. Everything that I've done so far
Speaker 3: hadn't seen before except for stock, I would say, But like,
Speaker 3: I've really rode my own wave, and that's why I
Speaker 3: think it's worked. So when you do too many different
Speaker 3: trades and you're taking an idea, like your concept is different.
Speaker 3: We've all seen a cooking show which your concept is different, right, Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 3: So it's like you have to have something different at
Speaker 3: it to it, and I think that if you don't,
Speaker 3: you then become a master of none because you're just
Speaker 3: trying to do things that other people do. Yeah, that's tough.
Speaker 1: I have a fear of I don't even know where
Speaker 1: this fear came from, but when it comes to partnering
Speaker 1: with other people, I feel like my greatest asset is
Speaker 1: my relationships, and it's probably because I have so much integrity.
Speaker 1: I'm like, dude, I won't hurt a full I really
Speaker 1: won't even hurt a fly because I want to treat
Speaker 1: people the way I would want to be treated, So
Speaker 1: my loyalty is there. But when I see like you
Speaker 1: and Mandy working together and you and Alex working together,
Speaker 1: I'm like, either the integrity on you has got to
Speaker 1: be super lit or how are you managing that partnership?
Speaker 1: Because I always I always get nervous, like what if
Speaker 1: the other partner doesn't hold up or there's a disagreement?
Speaker 2: So how do you how do you navigate that?
Speaker 3: My first partnership I've ever had was with Mandy right,
Speaker 3: and Mandy and I had stopped we're friends, stopp being friends,
Speaker 3: became friends again during the show, fell out of friendship again.
Speaker 3: But I think we are so hungry to make money
Speaker 3: that we look past that and we're able to think
Speaker 3: of the greater purpose. Like if I had a co
Speaker 3: host that wasn't about our fans, maybe I couldn't do
Speaker 3: the job, you know what I'm saying. But Mandy's a
Speaker 3: self starter like I am too. Yeah, so it's not tough.
Speaker 3: Like Mandy and I were on tour putting together the
Speaker 3: merch table or doing something with the merchan o, the
Speaker 3: VIP things, and you know, if I see her doing something,
Speaker 3: I don't want her to do it alone.
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, because oh nice, okay.
Speaker 3: You know, and I think she feels the same for me,
Speaker 3: so we definitely try and trust me, I have a
Speaker 3: time where I didn't even realize how much work she
Speaker 3: was putting in with the finance stuff. She's making spreadsheets
Speaker 3: and shit back then and doing stuff I didn't even
Speaker 3: understand that works. I would try to do it on
Speaker 3: the creative side. But like I think for me, with partnerships,
Speaker 3: there's a skill set that someone has that I don't.
Speaker 3: You know, wtf is so about the tech which is
Speaker 3: all Alex and not me. But I do have to
Speaker 3: give myself credit on how we were able to get
Speaker 3: this shit going. I just don't know how much I
Speaker 3: rent is where the light deal come from. He don't
Speaker 3: know what the fuck going on, which is great, yeah,
Speaker 3: figure out the other shit. Like I really learned how
Speaker 3: to use our skills and work together in that way,
Speaker 3: and it's definitely been touched. She's one of my tough
Speaker 3: he's one of my best friends, and it's like damn, now,
Speaker 3: sometimes it's all work. So we really have to feed
Speaker 3: that friendship. You know. We have to have a night
Speaker 3: where we get drunk together and have fun and not
Speaker 3: talk about work. We have to really do that to
Speaker 3: enjoy each other and separate it because it's tough.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know with Dolly. Dolly and I came from
Speaker 1: the Nick Cannon area.
Speaker 2: A lot of people don't know this.
Speaker 3: So my whole hookup with Black Effects, the president of
Speaker 3: Black Man, yeah.
Speaker 2: My stuff was an accident. It was legit.
Speaker 1: I was telling Dolly I was literally like flying weed
Speaker 1: money during the pandemic because I was I was hustling
Speaker 1: all different directions. But anyways, I was trying to build
Speaker 1: this show and I was like, Dolly, I think you
Speaker 1: should be a part of it. But you know, she
Speaker 1: had this other job offer and she's like should I
Speaker 1: take him? Like, as long as they don't tell you
Speaker 1: to go to work, girl, I'm all about taking all checks.
Speaker 1: I didn't know it was the President of the Black
Speaker 1: Effect or whatever. They happened to need a cooking show,
Speaker 1: and she pitched Eating While Broke and called me like,
Speaker 1: you're gonna kill me?
Speaker 2: And I was like, why would I kill you? We're
Speaker 2: actual friends, you know.
Speaker 3: I told you.
Speaker 2: She's like, I told you know.
Speaker 1: iHeart and ICM and Charlemagne about Eating while Broke and
Speaker 1: they loved it, and I was like, okay, So where
Speaker 1: do I kill you. She's like, well, they you know,
Speaker 1: we run a podcast network and your show is you
Speaker 1: want to do a TV show. I'm like, Dolly, the
Speaker 1: table was just built in my garage. My neighbors are
Speaker 1: driving past it. I actually don't even know where this
Speaker 1: table is gonna go, okay, and I think I had
Speaker 1: just found out I was pregnant or I was like
Speaker 1: borderline in that conversation, and I was like, shit, you
Speaker 1: know I was doing illegal weed activity. I was hustling
Speaker 1: in all these different plings. But I had this idea
Speaker 1: that was literally sitting in my garage, Like they just
Speaker 1: finished putting the forks on the table, and I'm like, Dolly,
Speaker 1: I'm about to go broke. And I done pitched all
Speaker 1: my celebrity friends. But I don't even know if we're
Speaker 1: just taking this table to their house or how we're
Speaker 1: even doing it, So why would I kill you?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: And she was like, yeah, well they want to send
Speaker 1: you an offer like and I was like, She's like,
Speaker 1: can you send me all your decks and stuff? And
Speaker 1: I was like yeah, I had already had everything made.
Speaker 1: But it was really no reason to kill her. But
Speaker 1: even to this day. Like sometimes as friends, I'll have
Speaker 1: to get on the phone with her and she'll be like,
Speaker 1: I don't want to talk business, or we could talk friends.
Speaker 2: So that's how we managed a friendship. It'd be like,
Speaker 2: Dolly ain't joining here nothing about work.
Speaker 3: That's tough. When someone's like cutting that's tough.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 3: I remember the first time I heard attitude from DOLLI
Speaker 3: when I was asking for more money.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, oh yeah, Dolly will tell me
Speaker 1: no so fast.
Speaker 2: I don't know, but you know, I separate.
Speaker 3: It is a safe place. It's a safer place than not,
Speaker 3: you know, in my heart is times with Mandy, I
Speaker 3: remember being so angry at her. We've definitely thought like
Speaker 3: I can't do this anymore. Literally, I was like, why
Speaker 3: I go? Fuck it? Where am I going to go?
Speaker 3: Like all this goddamn money, where am I gonna Where?
Speaker 3: Am I gonna go work for someone else? Fucking white dude? Like, No,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna make this money with her and figure it
Speaker 3: the fuck out. Actually, it's interesting with our partnership. I
Speaker 3: recently was at dinner with someone who asked me about
Speaker 3: books and money spending and things like that, and I
Speaker 3: was like, when you talked about integrity. I just thought
Speaker 3: about it. Whether I'm angry with Maandy or not, I've
Speaker 3: never thought she would like take money from the company
Speaker 3: or something. Right with Alex and I were bestie, so
Speaker 3: we're not going to fuck each other over. And they
Speaker 3: were telling me about how someone been sneaking money out
Speaker 3: of their partnership, and I never thought of the bad
Speaker 3: side of what could happen for partnerships, only the good. Yeah,
Speaker 3: But it's really because I do find strength in numbers,
Speaker 3: and I think partnership just builds and builds and builds
Speaker 3: your portfolio. I mean, I would rather have half of
Speaker 3: ten things, you know what I mean, especially knowing that,
Speaker 3: like there's so many times Alex has called me and
Speaker 3: is like, yo, Neil Brennan is coming in and David
Speaker 3: Lehiman coming in our studios US right, or maybe I'll
Speaker 3: hit him up and I'll be like we're locked down
Speaker 3: for a week. We got to do from Amazon. Like
Speaker 3: it's always one or the other, and it really really helps,
Speaker 3: because when you're trying to get all that different money,
Speaker 3: you can't do all things. I don't believe in people
Speaker 3: that are trying to have too much control over everything.
Speaker 3: You know. That's that's when it gets really tough. That's
Speaker 3: when you get burnt out. You've got to be able
Speaker 3: to alleviate some of that. I'm real cheap and I
Speaker 3: don't even be wanting to give money up to an assistant,
Speaker 3: but I realize it helps make your life easier.
Speaker 1: Have you have you considered bringing one on yet I
Speaker 1: have one, as it has been helpful.
Speaker 3: Well, our studio is so busy. She's now just the
Speaker 3: studio manager of the two New York locations. But oh,
Speaker 3: she was amazing, Like she literally helped me with my
Speaker 3: grandmother's funeral, you know, like when you've got a good one.
Speaker 3: But my sister is like a real nigga, Like she's
Speaker 3: not like she's not, Oh she's so great. She'll call
Speaker 3: me like these mother, Like she helped me with the
Speaker 3: thing for the wheelchair for my dad today. Right, she
Speaker 3: sent me a screenshot of an email she was like
Speaker 3: these motherfucker's trying to play me bruh, and like it's
Speaker 3: so funny because like you kind of do have to
Speaker 3: work with someone that makes you feel comfortable. You know,
Speaker 3: if she was too tidied up, I don't think I
Speaker 3: can do it. Yeah, but like I love partnering and
Speaker 3: working with people that make me feel like I'm at home. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: because when we face the world, there's a different person
Speaker 3: across that, you know what I'm saying. So knowing that
Speaker 3: we hire black and hire people that are a vibe
Speaker 3: like yeah, it's just it's so great, yeah, I think.
Speaker 1: But also finding someone that really is invested in your
Speaker 1: vision and your long term goals. I know with my crew,
Speaker 1: I love them, Like if I feel something's de routing,
Speaker 1: I'm like, dinner, lunch, we're getting together. Let's get to
Speaker 1: the table and find out what's going on. But we
Speaker 1: I genuinely like love my crew.
Speaker 3: Like everybody that works for me, I would want to
Speaker 3: have a drink with them. Yeah. That to me, I
Speaker 3: don't want to hire anybody that makes me like getting
Speaker 3: my nerves and they're weird or like, I want to
Speaker 3: know they're cool, whether they be nerdy as fuck, and
Speaker 3: maybe we don't share those hobbies, like there has to
Speaker 3: be some connection there or I won't maybe care as much.
Speaker 3: And I think my thing to being a good boss
Speaker 3: is giving a fuck yeah, you know, writing down everyone's birthdays,
Speaker 3: making sure I get them a gift, sending them text
Speaker 3: telling them I appreciate them. I also don't say people
Speaker 3: work for me. Like if I'm in front of someone,
Speaker 3: I feel like that's.
Speaker 2: Do you do? You call them like your team? How
Speaker 2: do you reference them?
Speaker 3: I'd be like, I say we work together.
Speaker 2: If someone wants to know, oh, I like that.
Speaker 3: Even if they walk in the studio and they know
Speaker 3: on the owner, I'd be like, this is Danny, he
Speaker 3: works with us, or like that just makes me more comfortable. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I find a lot of condescendingness and when people kind
Speaker 3: of just be like they work for me. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was at an event the other day and someone said,
Speaker 1: just so you know, I'm her boss, and I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know if you had to say that. I
Speaker 1: don't even know the point of saying it. But I
Speaker 1: think mainly in corporate and maybe not very small smaller well,
Speaker 1: I don't want to say an entrepreneurs. I don't know,
Speaker 1: but I do see. I guess if you're not at
Speaker 1: the higher level, you see that more because I don't
Speaker 1: even think the executives be like I'm the boss.
Speaker 3: No, but like look at Connell from Our Heart, Yeah,
Speaker 3: he was hugging everybody and chilling I'm like, what the
Speaker 3: I don't know, Yeah, yeah, yeah, But you know that's
Speaker 3: the thing too. I feel like there's this middle of
Speaker 3: success when you try to prove yourself. I can only
Speaker 3: relate to this. When I was kind of getting some
Speaker 3: decent money, I wanted to wear Lee batons. I wanted
Speaker 3: to wear my fucking one Louis buiton bag everywhere. I
Speaker 3: needed to throw it in your face.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Now I'm kind of like, you know what I mean, Like,
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well that's how I feel about Montessori School right now.
Speaker 1: Every time I see someone, I'm like, I pay.
Speaker 2: Two thousand dollars a month for my one year old
Speaker 2: to go to school. I should just have it as
Speaker 2: a billboard at this point.
Speaker 1: Oh bro, I feel like I'm luxury and that's really
Speaker 1: probably a regular person thing.
Speaker 2: But I'm like, now that's a lot.
Speaker 3: That's better than they care, you.
Speaker 1: Know, I literally, but I brag about it, like and
Speaker 1: I'm pretty I saw some comedian talk about like how
Speaker 1: when black people brag when they're rich, Asian people brag
Speaker 1: wh they're rich, and how white people brag when they're rich,
Speaker 1: and I was like, yeah, I'm definitely the black person
Speaker 1: that was like, I pay two games.
Speaker 3: I try to find ways in a point where I'm
Speaker 3: feeling a little inferior. Yeah, sometimes people you never know
Speaker 3: they making my like it's I can't explain it, but
Speaker 3: there's moments where people will make you feel like you
Speaker 3: don't belong in the room there. Yeah. Yeah, that's when
Speaker 3: I might do a little bit of really. Oh yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm trying to think. The last time I haven't I
Speaker 3: had this story. I told him horrible. It's on our
Speaker 3: Patreon where I came back from Paris and I was
Speaker 3: hanging in this Beyonce and jay Z party. It was
Speaker 3: very small, like thirty people, and after that you couldn't
Speaker 3: tell me shit. It was me and alex I was like,
Speaker 3: fuck you bitch, and Mionce with like, you know, in
Speaker 3: the air together. So I just kept finding ways to
Speaker 3: bring it up. So we went to like some Spotify
Speaker 3: dinner that week, and everybody's just like, oh, horrible decisions.
Speaker 3: Never heard of it. Yes, actually I've been to France,
Speaker 3: not that you asked, was there whatever, but like I'd
Speaker 3: be trying to figure out a way, but I don't know.
Speaker 3: And I think that's kind of when you do have
Speaker 3: and I know that I came from something, so I
Speaker 3: just can't say it came from nothing. But like when
Speaker 3: you had that struggle, you want to know. You want
Speaker 3: people to know I belong here too, Yeah, because I
Speaker 3: have a lot of hell of privileged people that I
Speaker 3: know that don't really have that that driver or the
Speaker 3: that that.
Speaker 2: They're the backstory, they don't need to.
Speaker 3: Like I hang with this really rich girl sometimes when
Speaker 3: I'm in La, like grew up rich. I think our
Speaker 3: family's got a fucking castle somewhere. And I never really
Speaker 3: see her tell you anything about her life because she
Speaker 3: realizes it's so it's not part of her story. Yeah,
Speaker 3: like everything she's experienced isn't exciting. Like when I told
Speaker 3: her about the Beyonce and jay Z thing, She's like,
Speaker 3: oh yeah. I'm like, well you met them before. She's like, yeah,
Speaker 3: well I used to hang with the Arnall's when I
Speaker 3: was a kid who own LVMA. That's hilarious And I'm like, okay,
Speaker 3: it's to know a bitch, But like you know, so,
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, I wonder if it kind of shows
Speaker 3: that you don't really have much. But what I appreciate
Speaker 3: is like people that can enjoy with you like. The
Speaker 3: first person I called after the Beyonce and jay Z
Speaker 3: night was Charlottmgne cover the bed with his wife, who
Speaker 3: was eleven thirty at night. Me and Alex are drunk
Speaker 3: in the street. I'm like, oh, I tell somebody, And
Speaker 3: he was so excited and laughing and he's like, y'all
Speaker 3: in now. I'm like, brouh. The next time I see them,
Speaker 3: think they put it over the bitch for Paris and
Speaker 3: it's just this cool, exciting milestone. But maybe I will
Speaker 3: get to the place where it doesn't matter anymore.
Speaker 1: I don't know, hope not no, no, no no. So
Speaker 1: now that you've traveled the world, you owned companies, you're
Speaker 1: flying your family out, what advice would you give to someone.
Speaker 2: That would even just in my shoes? You know?
Speaker 1: What advice would you give to someone that's playing hasn't
Speaker 1: fully taken off the ground yet and they've been hovering
Speaker 1: for a long time.
Speaker 3: I would say, thinking bigger than the biggest thing you're
Speaker 3: thinking of. I think that we sell ourselves short a lot.
Speaker 3: Whether it be I don't know. This is just made
Speaker 3: me thinking right. Eating While Broke is currently a podcast,
Speaker 3: it seems like next up is TV show that seems
Speaker 3: like what that is? Right?
Speaker 1: But I also want to do touring, which eighty five
Speaker 1: South has been like just do it, but Dolly's like
Speaker 1: hell no, and eighty five for South is like do
Speaker 1: that shit?
Speaker 3: Why does Dolly say now.
Speaker 2: She thinks I need to spend more time growing my
Speaker 2: audience like baby steps and then but I low key
Speaker 2: secretly want to do ice cube in LA, I would.
Speaker 3: Tell you for this piece of advice, then I would say,
Speaker 3: you do it in the middle. You do one show.
Speaker 3: You do one show in your hometown or where your
Speaker 3: largest base of audience is, and that's LA, right, I'm assuming. Yeah,
Speaker 3: So it's like you do your LA show. You don't tour,
Speaker 3: You do your LA show. You practice, you get your
Speaker 3: biggest fan based there, you already have all your friends come.
Speaker 3: It's probably where all the talent you know is. So
Speaker 3: you do it right there in LA. After you do that,
Speaker 3: then you kind of get your feet wet or the
Speaker 3: space is semi big. Make a Patreon or invite your
Speaker 3: top fans. Mit fifteen fans really and write fifteen fans,
Speaker 3: have them sit and wid laugh with you. Uh, maybe
Speaker 3: put the ingredients out there and be like this is
Speaker 3: what I got, y'all gonna help me make this meal?
Speaker 3: Maybe they just shout at you and they share stories
Speaker 3: with you.
Speaker 1: When you guys did your Patreon, what were you what
Speaker 1: was your first Like, did you even think you would
Speaker 1: make money when you first did the patreon?
Speaker 3: No, we make way too much on Patreon now. I
Speaker 3: mean I'm sure like there, you know, there's patreons bigger
Speaker 3: than me. But like we did it before. I think
Speaker 3: we were one of the first black popular podcasts that
Speaker 3: we know on there. Like we had our first year
Speaker 3: of year seven, I mean the first year of your seven,
Speaker 3: and we only did it to make more money for
Speaker 3: the studio. Mandy and I were like, this shit costing
Speaker 3: too much. We ain't making no money. A friend of
Speaker 3: mine was like, have you heard of l trapo trap
Speaker 3: House something like that, It's like a white podcast. I
Speaker 3: was like no, He's like, they make like ninety round Patreon.
Speaker 2: You should do You guys were like, dude, du what's
Speaker 2: that right?
Speaker 3: I mean, shit, we don't make ninety, but we do
Speaker 3: make twenty.
Speaker 2: Get the hang out on Patreon mm hm.
Speaker 3: Get the honest though our Patreon, Like we started a
Speaker 3: high very early of people that really resonated with Mandy
Speaker 3: and I because we were corporate girls talking about sex
Speaker 3: and it was kind of the life that if you
Speaker 3: didn't live it, you'd want to live it, or you
Speaker 3: could see yourself living it like host stories while like
Speaker 3: being overdraft and are you know, being at your desk whatever.
Speaker 3: So we made Patreon. It was to get extra money
Speaker 3: for filming. I remember a thousand dollars a month feeling perfect.
Speaker 2: Hell, yeah that's not I know that sounds small.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So when it got higher, Mandy and I just
Speaker 3: started spelling more of our personal lives on Patreon, and
Speaker 3: it became like we were just talking to fans instead
Speaker 3: of like doing a show. You know, like we have
Speaker 3: so so many guests now that people that really fucked
Speaker 3: with Mandy and Wheezy they want Patreon. Like a lot
Speaker 3: of people enjoy those episodes more. I love like a
Speaker 3: better looking set, but I get it, Mandy and I'd
Speaker 3: be on zoom, I'd be hungover shit. I think I
Speaker 3: was still mollied out on one episode. I was like,
Speaker 3: oh my god, you guys didn't save anyway, Like people
Speaker 3: like that shit when you're very raw, and so we
Speaker 3: offer that. So it's something different. But yeah, I wouldn't
Speaker 3: write your closest fans if it's not Patreon right now,
Speaker 3: figure out where you talk to them the most, have
Speaker 3: them come and watch. Well.
Speaker 1: I think this season is the most I've seen fans
Speaker 1: reach out, which, by the way, I'm absolutely shocked. I'll
Speaker 1: get a DM like please don't stop, please don't quit.
Speaker 2: We love this sir.
Speaker 1: Yeah, or like I promise you're asking the questions that
Speaker 1: we want you to hear, and I'll be like, thank
Speaker 1: you because I for sure had a shitty day today
Speaker 1: and I really want to jump off a bridge. But
Speaker 1: that message just like literally, I know it's random, but
Speaker 1: you help them. Yeah, I'm like, you taketed the right time,
Speaker 1: and I will respond that like, Yo, the timing couldn't
Speaker 1: have been better, thank you for saving my life.
Speaker 3: Fans too, like we look at other people's numbers and
Speaker 3: comparison is a thief and joy.
Speaker 2: Oh, I definitely do.
Speaker 1: I'll be like, look at them, but you know now,
Speaker 1: I look at y'all, and I'll be like, take notes.
Speaker 2: Change when we're.
Speaker 3: In line to them, right, Like I remember when call
Speaker 3: her Daddy made the sixty thousand dollars DE sixty million,
Speaker 3: right and I was like, oh my god, I'll never
Speaker 3: get me. I was saying ship like that. I don't
Speaker 3: have that. I'm like this podcast makes how much?
Speaker 2: Like why am I talking like this?
Speaker 3: You know? And we really have to pour into ourselves
Speaker 3: better because we always are looking at something else. I
Speaker 3: do it with my body doing my hair. Shit, I
Speaker 3: was almost like, oh my god, my hair is not
Speaker 3: rain different. The got my hair, like thinking about all
Speaker 3: this little ship that doesn't fucking matter, and it's like
Speaker 3: we need to really learn how to be happy with
Speaker 3: ourselves because like I think social media has bucked me up.
Speaker 3: I'm getting way better at it, but like body, hair,
Speaker 3: clothes and success, they're all the things I see on
Speaker 3: Instagram and think I'm not doing well enough with h
Speaker 3: and this is fucked up. But it did happen to me.
Speaker 3: I went to solid Core, which is this like plate's
Speaker 3: ish cool thing to do. It's in La Chicago, New York,
Speaker 3: Big Cities, Atlanta, and there's a girl on Instagram I
Speaker 3: follow that. I always thought she was like so fucking
Speaker 3: insanely hot. When I was in the workout, she was
Speaker 3: right next to me and I recognized her halfway through.
Speaker 3: She was really struggling, and it's not like it's something
Speaker 3: to make fun of. You're already working out. But I
Speaker 3: got in the car and I thought, oh my god,
Speaker 3: I have I'm stronger than I thought. I was right.
Speaker 3: I'm looking at this girl all the time on my timeline,
Speaker 3: thinking she's the baddest bitch in the world. And I
Speaker 3: had something like she even said to me. I was like,
Speaker 3: damn bitch, she was getting it right. We don't know
Speaker 3: each other, and I was like, wow, there's something we
Speaker 3: all have that someone else doesn't. So when you're looking
Speaker 3: and you're thinking that, it's not shit me. I want
Speaker 3: kids so bad. Really, yes, I would love to have kids,
Speaker 3: like I would love to have over to you. Oh
Speaker 3: my mom would love to watch over. My mom love
Speaker 3: taking somebody's baby.
Speaker 2: Oh really, Oh she's in LA.
Speaker 1: That's perfect because I ain't got no family in I
Speaker 1: pay every minute a well.
Speaker 3: Well, my mom will act like it's an inconvenience, but
Speaker 3: she can't wait to do it. Let me watch your baby,
Speaker 3: Colleen called me, and now I've got to watch this
Speaker 3: damn baby. Now'll get in the house, baby proud anyway,
Speaker 3: I'll talk to you later. Like she loves taking somebody's
Speaker 3: problems on her kids or anything, and like, yeah, but
Speaker 3: I think about that. I think.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 3: I was at a friend's kids graduation, her daughter graduately
Speaker 3: needs her, and I was like, like three people had
Speaker 3: asked me for a picture when I was in the auditorium,
Speaker 3: and I remember thinking like, I wonder if they think
Speaker 3: I'm like living this cool ass like but somebody was like, damn,
Speaker 3: you came from LA to be here. Someone said that
Speaker 3: to me, and I was like, when I could like
Speaker 3: die to be one of the parents in the front.
Speaker 3: Oh wow, But you never know, right, Like there's always
Speaker 3: something we all want. I think we all need that
Speaker 3: little drama in our lives to keep going.
Speaker 1: You think so oh like the when you say drama,
Speaker 1: like the need to want something more?
Speaker 3: Yeah, how are we going to be an autopilot if
Speaker 3: we have all we want? Like what do you want?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 2: I want this guy's limit.
Speaker 1: It's funny though, because I used to always want like
Speaker 1: the marriage and the baby, because I always felt like
Speaker 1: I was good at business and then I just sucked
Speaker 1: at personal. But now that I experienced marriage and the baby,
Speaker 1: I'm like, I think I'm gonna stay in my business
Speaker 1: life because I suck at it. It's just like, yo,
Speaker 1: you know what, I have to chop it up to Like,
Speaker 1: it's just not my forte. I don't know why I
Speaker 1: can't master my personal but I could.
Speaker 3: It's tough. We all can't because it's not something you
Speaker 3: can control.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, maybe that's it because I feel like in business,
Speaker 1: like I will pivot the fuck if it's not working,
Speaker 1: pivot again, pivot again. But then in my personal I'd
Speaker 1: be like, oh, you went left. I don't even know
Speaker 1: what to say.
Speaker 3: It's tough. Yeah, money we can control, Like I feel
Speaker 3: like I can make a million dollars easier than I
Speaker 3: can find a good person to date. I mean, it's
Speaker 3: fucked up to say that, but I really do believe that.
Speaker 3: I feel like when it's things you can control, like
Speaker 3: you can't control money. Let's say, like right, like there's
Speaker 3: people out there that are working hard as fucking or
Speaker 3: not getting there, but like you could possibly take up
Speaker 3: another hustle to find somewhere money. Yeah, but I was
Speaker 3: taking pictures out of Oo pizzeria on the side because
Speaker 3: they would give me one hundred dollars a night, okay
Speaker 3: for five hours, and I would just take pictures pictures,
Speaker 3: and I would flip them a little bit. You know
Speaker 3: what I'm saying, The pictures of fifteen, but i'd tell
Speaker 3: people with twenty Yeah, yeah, that's like finding that hustle.
Speaker 3: I was on Craigslist looking for gig jobs. That was
Speaker 3: a caddy girl one day.
Speaker 2: Like I told you that, But that's what I'm saying. Like,
Speaker 2: do you think now do you think entrepreneurs are like
Speaker 2: born out the womb or do you think they could
Speaker 2: go to college and then become an entrepreneur.
Speaker 3: I don't think entrepreneurs are for everyone, Yeah, because I
Speaker 3: think it's too exhausting. Yeah, Like I think working a
Speaker 3: nine to five, I think the goal for me, before
Speaker 3: realizing I wanted to be an entrepreneur, I wanted to
Speaker 3: make two fifty at a.
Speaker 2: Corporate t I'm still praying to hit that too fuch
Speaker 2: at a corporate job. Oh, at a corporate That to me.
Speaker 3: Would have made me not do anything else. Because the
Speaker 3: one seventy five was great. I was living a great
Speaker 3: apartment and traveling, but my parents needed help, and I
Speaker 3: was like, oh, I need more money for my parents.
Speaker 3: If I had two fifty, that's money I could have
Speaker 3: to help them and if I want to have a kid,
Speaker 3: I can live in this money. But mind you in
Speaker 3: New York. Yeah yeah, like two fifty in another city
Speaker 3: might be a million dollars.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: My rent even then was twenty five d It's crazy. Yeah,
Speaker 3: But I say all that to say nine to fivers
Speaker 3: are making a lot more money than entrepreneurs. Yeah, you
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. Entrepreneurs are out here really struggling.
Speaker 3: It's tough. But I think it's because some people are
Speaker 3: chasing a dream that they think they should do when
Speaker 3: really that's not it.
Speaker 1: How would they identify the dream that is it though,
Speaker 1: and from the dream that isn't.
Speaker 3: I think one if it feels like a passion, are
Speaker 3: you happy doing it? Like? Are you doing it because
Speaker 3: you actually love this? Like? Why do you love making
Speaker 3: eating while broke?
Speaker 1: I just love great rags to riches stories, Like I
Speaker 1: have some rich friends and they always tell me they
Speaker 1: were like in jail somewhere or they were on a
Speaker 1: ass somewhere, and I'm like, wait, you and you live
Speaker 1: in the seven thousand square Foo mansion in La Oh,
Speaker 1: tell me more. And I just love it, like I
Speaker 1: would hang out and I just love the stories. I'd
Speaker 1: be like, okay, but you know.
Speaker 3: And I would say then with your audience and feeling inspired.
Speaker 1: But I was definitely lucky because I felt like the
Speaker 1: friends that I have, like if I'm like, damn, this
Speaker 1: bill was high, I'd be like, you wouldn't understand it,
Speaker 1: be like try me.
Speaker 2: I'd be like a thousand bucks to be like, Nope,
Speaker 2: that bill's high.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: I'd really and they'd be like, no, it's high, you know.
Speaker 1: And so luckily I was fortunate to be with some
Speaker 1: friends that really like that.
Speaker 2: I felt like, damn, you're hanging out with me.
Speaker 1: Like if you and I hung out, I would be
Speaker 1: lowkey geeked just because you have a great personality, but
Speaker 1: I would also be lowkey geeked because I'm like, I
Speaker 1: look up to you, like I definitely admire you, you know.
Speaker 3: I feel like that with people sometimes where I'm like,
Speaker 3: are we like we're peers? Right? No matter if maybe
Speaker 3: like maybe my podcast has been going on longer than yours,
Speaker 3: you're like, oh, that's what I'm gonna get, Like it's
Speaker 3: you appears.
Speaker 1: Well you're more than just a pot Like in my eyes,
Speaker 1: well you and Mandy accomplished was great, but you gotta
Speaker 1: think you're a beautiful, attractive woman in the entertainment industry.
Speaker 1: I have sidebar conversations all the time. I'll leave a meeting,
Speaker 1: I'll be like, this person wants to fuck, and my
Speaker 1: friends will be like, how do you know, and be like, Bro,
Speaker 1: I've been in this game way too long. I can
Speaker 1: tell by the questions the hints they want to fuck,
Speaker 1: and then I gotta navigate that. So to be attractive woman. Okay,
Speaker 1: then you're an entertainment then you're an entrepreneurs. Then you're
Speaker 1: handling all this business. Then you're sale. When I hear sales,
Speaker 1: nothing excites me, you know how you get when I
Speaker 1: hear a girl could sell, I'll be like, oh, this
Speaker 1: is a it says, this is a real, real time,
Speaker 1: you know. But so I look at someone like you
Speaker 1: and I'm like, yeah, I would definitely be in awe,
Speaker 1: like you know, like you know geeks, and same with
Speaker 1: my friends. Like I have my homie day storm, I'll
Speaker 1: hang out in his house or whatever. He literally will
Speaker 1: only hang out when we work out, which sucks because
Speaker 1: his workouts are absolutely, terrifyingly terriblely hard workouts.
Speaker 2: Were Like, if I want to have a talk a
Speaker 2: day storm.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'll be at your house at four to
Speaker 1: work out and it'll be the worst workout of the century,
Speaker 1: you know, But I still look up to him, and
Speaker 1: I'll still be like geeked, Like yo, I could walk
Speaker 1: into your house or borrow your house for the weekend,
Speaker 1: and but I even though we're friends, I still look
Speaker 1: up to you, and you're vulnerable. But they're the real
Speaker 1: inspiration behind my show. They're realize stories and realize advice.
Speaker 3: And honestly sharing that to the world and then you
Speaker 3: receiving that fan feedback and things like that, like having
Speaker 3: the passion that making you feel good learning in the
Speaker 3: middle of your job. That's how you know you keep going,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. But also, I think the
Speaker 3: largest mistake entrepreneurs make is if they have a regular
Speaker 3: job or a steady gig, they leave it for the
Speaker 3: passion before the passion flourishes. Yeah, and I didn't do that,
Speaker 3: Like I was working eighty hours a week, doing horrible
Speaker 3: and you know, literally coming in with my suitcase to
Speaker 3: the office, like, oh, I went to go see my parents,
Speaker 3: But really, I had a fucking four hundred seat show
Speaker 3: that we fill down and like that today is different.
Speaker 3: Now it's double right and it feels great, but like, nah,
Speaker 3: I had to do both. I think living in the
Speaker 3: entertainment industry today is interesting because it could be anybody, right, Like,
Speaker 3: influencers have really ruined fame?
Speaker 2: You think so?
Speaker 1: Yes, I guess I could see that. It's weird because
Speaker 1: I see, like I feel like they're self made and
Speaker 1: they work very hard, like when you look at the
Speaker 1: behind the scenes, they work hard. But I definitely will
Speaker 1: say I don't know. I would like to hear your
Speaker 1: perspective on it.
Speaker 3: I think influencers ruined fame because not saying that they're talentless,
Speaker 3: but content creation as a form of a talent. Like
Speaker 3: if the Internet is gone, then where do you take
Speaker 3: it and what do you do with it? You know,
Speaker 3: I have a big influencer that reached out to me.
Speaker 3: They're not going broke or anything like they're making like
Speaker 3: maybe thirty fortieth posts, but they reached out to me
Speaker 3: and we're like, I need you to have dinner with
Speaker 3: me or some shit and influence me to do some
Speaker 3: other shit. Because I realized this is like just what
Speaker 3: if Instagram doesn't want me to do ads anymore? What
Speaker 3: if Instagram stops advertisments for influencers, what if the hashtag
Speaker 3: goes away? Like she was terrified and it was when
Speaker 3: TikTok was about to get banned or something, and I
Speaker 3: was like, damn. I'm like, I don't know half of
Speaker 3: my nas year off of heigi ads. But she was right,
Speaker 3: like I didn't do anything else. I've just been learning
Speaker 3: this one skill, and that shit is tough because, like,
Speaker 3: I don't know, I wouldn't want my kids to be
Speaker 3: an influencer. I think it also inflates when I say
Speaker 3: the ruined fame, like you have movie stars, actors, actresses,
Speaker 3: and even podcasters make fame to me, like it's not real.
Speaker 1: Well, I've seen people too that will get like ten
Speaker 1: thousand followers and they all already switch up. I'm like, yo,
Speaker 1: if your bank account still read zero, who gives a
Speaker 1: fuck about some likes?
Speaker 3: But the same shit is weird because the likes and
Speaker 3: all this stuff makes you think you're better than you
Speaker 3: are when there's so many more of you, So you
Speaker 3: really have to find a thing that makes you different.
Speaker 3: Like honest, I follow so many girls that are just
Speaker 3: hot and kind of look the same because of their
Speaker 3: clothes or their workouts or whatever. I don't think I
Speaker 3: know their names. Really. No. I remember sitting at Lucy
Speaker 3: and it's my favorite restaurant New York. I always go
Speaker 3: there in the East Village and I was looking at
Speaker 3: this girl and I tapped her and I was like,
Speaker 3: do I know you? Do we have a school together?
Speaker 3: Genuinely didn't know. I feel like I know you, And
Speaker 3: she was like, oh, I'm an influencer. I was like,
Speaker 3: maybe I follow you. What's your name? Didn't ring a bell?
Speaker 3: Looked at it and I was like, damn, I've been
Speaker 3: following this bitter a minute, but that's it. You're not
Speaker 3: even connecting to the content. Yeah, because it's just grid
Speaker 3: post after grid post up or something something. That's why
Speaker 3: people like just hilarious Drew Ski a Pretty V they
Speaker 3: fucking stick out because we know what they're doing.
Speaker 2: Yeah and they yeah, but those are also like I know.
Speaker 1: Well, I'll say for Pretty V because we had her aunt,
Speaker 1: she's she's also hard.
Speaker 2: She's like a hustler too.
Speaker 1: I would say she's she's more of an entrepreneur than
Speaker 1: an influencer, even though she started that way.
Speaker 2: You know you could. I feel the same with like
Speaker 2: be simone, but something.
Speaker 3: That I have, something that they do.
Speaker 1: But I will say I honestly say like and it
Speaker 1: could be just me vibed, but I would say almost
Speaker 1: ninety percent of my guests have true integrity. There's somewhere
Speaker 1: I'll be like after interview reps, I'll be like, wow,
Speaker 1: I called bullshit and I won't say who, but there
Speaker 1: was a couple episodes where my team I'll be like, damn,
Speaker 1: that was a bullshit, meaning like they looked bigger than
Speaker 1: what they were. And then when I got in, I
Speaker 1: was like, you don't know your shit, you're a fake.
Speaker 3: Maybe some people just get lucky.
Speaker 1: They got lucky, or they didn't name drop like hey,
Speaker 1: your baby mama helped you, or your mom helped you.
Speaker 1: Why wouldn't you give them the credit that they deserved.
Speaker 3: Strange when people don't credit those that helped along the way.
Speaker 2: I think it's completely strange.
Speaker 3: Do you know one of them?
Speaker 1: By the way, if you're on my show and I
Speaker 1: catch it, I won't say it in front of the guests,
Speaker 1: but I will go me even the show raps, I'll
Speaker 1: be like, I called bullshit. They left out somebody because
Speaker 1: their story isn't adding up and I will literally you
Speaker 1: could ask my crew, I will.
Speaker 3: Be wait, it was mine, the sugar daddy.
Speaker 2: Your story was as real as they get.
Speaker 1: But you know, you know you could tell because they'll
Speaker 1: be a missing gap. You know, they'll be like some
Speaker 1: part of the story where you'd be like that that
Speaker 1: doesn't line up, there's something missing there.
Speaker 2: I can always tell because I like, well, you.
Speaker 3: Know, sometimes the struggle isn't what people like to show,
Speaker 3: right the highlight reels that they need.
Speaker 2: To show the struggle on this show. On this show,
Speaker 2: you gotta tell me to credit your wife.
Speaker 3: If you're not giving other people their flower, it never
Speaker 3: takes from you. I was gonna say to you, Charlott
Speaker 3: MANE makes me do that more than anyone like. It
Speaker 3: makes me thank my team so much. Like I've never
Speaker 3: seen anyone be so gracious towards those around him, even
Speaker 3: when I pay him a compliment, just no one else
Speaker 3: around Damn you kill this shit man.
Speaker 1: That was some So I'm like, oh, okay, I've never
Speaker 1: really I've seen Charlomagye one time.
Speaker 2: So I literally saw him, was like, thank you so
Speaker 2: much for everything you do for me.
Speaker 3: Have a good day. Wait, you just met him in Atlanta.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was it, and that's all I said was
Speaker 2: thank you.
Speaker 3: What every Christian famous person like normal and authentic. And
Speaker 3: I think I made a joke on a podcast and
Speaker 3: I tested it once. I was like, man like, they
Speaker 3: were like, who do you think is someone that you've
Speaker 3: met that's a celebrity that you expected to be different?
Speaker 3: I was like, Charlotte answers the phone every time. I
Speaker 3: think it's very strange. Yeah, because you're so like he's
Speaker 3: literally answered. I could hear him at the breakfast what's up?
Speaker 3: He's monnies me, Like, just really wants to make sure
Speaker 3: he's accessible to people that he cares about. And I
Speaker 3: think that's what's inspired me to be a really good
Speaker 3: leader and just all around good person when it comes
Speaker 3: to people that have paved the way, because like, we
Speaker 3: don't see that, we see a lot of I I I, yeah,
Speaker 3: you know. Well.
Speaker 1: Also, I think the cool thing about him is that
Speaker 1: he has like all black woman team pretty much, and
Speaker 1: he treats all those women great.
Speaker 2: Because I worked for other people and with other people.
Speaker 1: In the industry and it ain't like that it's more
Speaker 1: of the boy's club. I see the boys getting blessed
Speaker 1: and the woman getting dirty.
Speaker 3: And Charlemagne is very much again an authentic person. Yeah,
Speaker 3: Like I heard him on a I had a call
Speaker 3: with him for something else, and the other person on
Speaker 3: the other end of the call was very like, what's
Speaker 3: the word I'm looking for, almost like a shell of
Speaker 3: themselves trying to show you how great they are. Charlamagne
Speaker 3: was in a T shirt in South Carolina, I think
Speaker 3: visiting family, or maybe he was outside of his crib,
Speaker 3: but he was like on a chair on a porch,
Speaker 3: just looking like he was chilling, and everybody else is
Speaker 3: suited up, and he's like, y'all are so lucky for
Speaker 3: me to be on this call. Just I could tell
Speaker 3: you that's what he's thinking. And he's so much of
Speaker 3: himself and still giving you gems. And I was like, Wow,
Speaker 3: he didn't even feel the need to like do it
Speaker 3: up for some Hollywood people. Yeah, because he knows like this,
Speaker 3: his brand is so raw, and I think we have
Speaker 3: to be that way. We can't try to be this
Speaker 3: person that we think other people would like, because they'll
Speaker 3: smell it just like you do. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: People smell that all day every day. You could be
Speaker 3: a casual listener that's in that YouTube that's like this
Speaker 3: person's a liar.
Speaker 2: Yeah, people clock it.
Speaker 3: And for you to know that as someone that's bringing
Speaker 3: these people in, like, I think that says a lot.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Eventually we'll get to the space where there's like
Speaker 1: I can actually call bullshit on the mic. I'm not
Speaker 1: there yet, I know, but there have been a couple
Speaker 1: where I'm like.
Speaker 3: Bull shit, what about you?
Speaker 1: Being like, there's got to be a oh I go
Speaker 1: in and you can tell because they won't answer the question,
Speaker 1: And that's how I know it's bullshit. I'll be like, Okay,
Speaker 1: you're just boying. I'll ask seven different ways. I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I call bullshit, but I won't say it on the
Speaker 1: mic yet. I'm not there yet.
Speaker 3: Plus I gotcha host, They're like, oh, like be there
Speaker 3: for the moment.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then also like there's the uncomfortable space, you know
Speaker 1: with our shows, like we dig into the vulnerability a
Speaker 1: little bit deep, and I like to say to everybody
Speaker 1: it's a safe space. Like if I think there's something
Speaker 1: that you're going to say on our show that I
Speaker 1: think is going to ruin your career or cancel you do.
Speaker 1: You don't even have to send your publicists or whoever
Speaker 1: over to like, oh my god, Colleen or beg me,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna remove it just on game. I'm just you
Speaker 1: shared your story.
Speaker 3: I completely agree with you. I think that keeping those
Speaker 3: moments like I've seen Megan James, I mean, I don't
Speaker 3: want to talk too much shit. She's spent some money
Speaker 3: about WTS Studio, but there's some clips where I'm like, WHOA, yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, like I'm kind of surprised you invite someone
Speaker 3: in your space to like do that.
Speaker 5: M h.
Speaker 3: And she's just sticking out of my mind right now.
Speaker 3: I'm not saying she's like a terrible person, but it's
Speaker 3: a it's a style interviewing that works for her. Maybe
Speaker 3: she's on more streams than almost who knows, But like,
Speaker 3: I don't know if I could do it.
Speaker 1: That's how I feel about honestly, like Jason Lee, to
Speaker 1: be honest, I feel like some of the stuff he'd
Speaker 1: be doing, I'll be like, well maybe, And I have
Speaker 1: this conversation my little brother all the time, and I'm
Speaker 1: always like, ego, maybe maybe I should sell out, Like
Speaker 1: because I look at such and such kind of like
Speaker 1: how you look at social media, be like, look at
Speaker 1: this person. It's like they're really honestly, like they don't
Speaker 1: give a fuck about anybody's career, you know, and then
Speaker 1: they Jason Lee.
Speaker 3: At Charlemagne back in the day, I'm Magan James. I
Speaker 3: think you know what you're getting when you go on
Speaker 3: the door. Yeah, And I think people almost it's like
Speaker 3: ze Way. People would say, how the fuck does anyone
Speaker 3: keep going on there?
Speaker 2: Like, you know, I don't know what ze Way is, but.
Speaker 3: You don't know what she's the black girl that had
Speaker 3: the show on Showtime where she would ask people questions
Speaker 3: and like should Julia Fox. Charlemagne was a guest on there.
Speaker 3: What was her famous one?
Speaker 2: But what was she ask them?
Speaker 3: She would just ask them questions that would make them
Speaker 3: look bad. Oh really, Like she showed Charlemgne a diagram
Speaker 3: and had them point out someone She was like, oh
Speaker 3: so you think that white people are superior type shit?
Speaker 3: Oh okay, But like it's like she was one of
Speaker 3: those and I think like people prepare themselves for those
Speaker 3: funny Marco. I don't know how people.
Speaker 1: Say what that nerves is that the one is where
Speaker 1: the guy just says like insulting things or something kind
Speaker 1: of yeah, because I saw that show and I was like, look,
Speaker 1: I just love that show period.
Speaker 3: Like it's content.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's content is very good.
Speaker 3: I think maybe it's just content that I can't make.
Speaker 3: But yeah, you know, it's hard for me to push
Speaker 3: unless I think something's wrong, like I do Man on
Speaker 3: the Street for my TV show a lot. Yesterday, this
Speaker 3: guy talked about how he had a nether girl to
Speaker 3: work or do something, and I was like, he's black.
Speaker 3: Oh what kind of girls you day? And he's like,
Speaker 3: I prefer white. And then I can see the camera
Speaker 3: crewisers in the back, like oh, like really he was like, yeah,
Speaker 3: I just updated a black girl and they're really crazy.
Speaker 3: I was like, okay, so have you ever met a Karen?
Speaker 3: Were like, well, I don't think that type of way.
Speaker 2: Oh, but there are crazy white women, but i'tely right now.
Speaker 1: My future ex husband he loves white women. But his
Speaker 1: thing is that black women's standards are are higher or like,
Speaker 1: they're not as easy as a white girl, and so
Speaker 1: he lives for the white girls.
Speaker 2: He lives that girl.
Speaker 3: Literally only cheated I mean a white women, to the
Speaker 3: point that I was like, yeah, you must you're dating me,
Speaker 3: so your mom is happy. Yeah, And then I realized, oh,
Speaker 3: maybe I was just light.
Speaker 1: Skinning up, Like, do you This is completely random, but
Speaker 1: I have a pet peeve about dating a guy that
Speaker 1: only dates mixed girls.
Speaker 2: I can't do it.
Speaker 3: I haven't pissed.
Speaker 2: I feel like you haven't.
Speaker 3: Only I didn't know, Like you don't know until.
Speaker 2: You don't know, but when you find I know.
Speaker 1: For me, I just feel like there's a little bit
Speaker 1: of colorism issues there, Like dudes that are like.
Speaker 2: I only like light skin I'm like, all right, I
Speaker 2: don't know, that's weird.
Speaker 1: But I started to think when my ex husband my
Speaker 1: future that maybe he maybe he genuinely just likes white
Speaker 1: girls and he's just saying that as like a cover up.
Speaker 2: No, I think you're right.
Speaker 3: He's like, hey, she light white in a different light, Yeah,
Speaker 3: exactly on some real shit. I think it's kind of
Speaker 3: scary because you really have to clock them as light
Speaker 3: skinn people. You gotta clock them as mixed girls like
Speaker 3: this shit is not cute for like a man that
Speaker 3: you're dating to only date. I had a guy tell
Speaker 3: me once that I was acting dark skin He told
Speaker 3: me it was crazy that my hair wasn't super curly
Speaker 3: like most mixed girls. Wow. And he was like, you
Speaker 3: talk different. Wow. Yeah I don't.
Speaker 2: Like Yeah, I don't. I won't. I won't.
Speaker 1: Well right now, thank god, I'm like one hundred percent
Speaker 1: focused on not dating, which is this is the longest
Speaker 1: I've ever been seeing.
Speaker 3: That's when they be coming too. I'll be trying to
Speaker 3: act like I'm not focused on dating. I'll walk in
Speaker 3: the club and be like, I'm not looking for anyone.
Speaker 2: I like how you be positioned in it too.
Speaker 3: I want to date so bad man, but it's it's tough,
Speaker 3: and honestly.
Speaker 2: How do you juggle a breakup with a with a business. Honestly,
Speaker 2: I'm terrible.
Speaker 1: If it wasn't for my high school friends scooping me
Speaker 1: off the floor behind closed doors. Girl, he's gonna be okay,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like, I don't responsibilities, like
Speaker 1: hate to get more of it.
Speaker 3: But the only things that have kept me from killing
Speaker 3: myself is my dog and my team. And it's not
Speaker 3: because they're encouraging me to stay, you know. And it's like, hey,
Speaker 3: we need you to be alive so we can make money.
Speaker 3: But like, literally, I think about them and I'm like,
Speaker 3: one of the people that worked for me I recently
Speaker 3: found out used to be homeless and thanks me all
Speaker 3: the time for being able to do things for their
Speaker 3: mother now and like it's fucking wild. I get random
Speaker 3: texts from a lot of our staff at two in
Speaker 3: the morning, love working with you, and I'm like, all
Speaker 3: these niggas is wrong and it's such a good feeling.
Speaker 3: But I think about that. I think about that when
Speaker 3: I'm getting down on myself, like how dare you? Yeah,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Like you are helping all
Speaker 3: of these people. I'm gonna leave my parents alone in
Speaker 3: the world. And when I tell you, my dog no bullshit.
Speaker 3: I was just being trauma queen one day. I was
Speaker 3: like I don't be here anymore, and I looked at her.
Speaker 3: I was like, who's gonna feed me up with those
Speaker 3: little things? Like really got to bring you back. But
Speaker 3: when running those businesses, I'm sure for people that are
Speaker 3: listening that only have themselves, you probably feel like, well,
Speaker 3: who do I fight for? You? Fight for your future self? Yeah? Right,
Speaker 3: Everything is moment, Harry. When you're broke, it's momentary. Sometimes
Speaker 3: when you get in a big check, it might be momentary,
Speaker 3: Like everything is kind of momentary. It's just that feeling
Speaker 3: that will last for a little bit, as strong emotions
Speaker 3: only for a little bit, even when you're crazy in love.
Speaker 3: It just kind of lasts for a period of time.
Speaker 3: And I think that when we are down, we feel
Speaker 3: like it's the end. But you've gotta have faith in
Speaker 3: your future self.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like that. I'm a personally remember that. No,
Speaker 1: now that I have Zariyah, my daughter, I'm like, yo,
Speaker 1: if you leave and you the number one gangst the
Speaker 1: soldier for her, ain't nobody gonna go harder for ze
Speaker 1: than you?
Speaker 2: Then then what's she gonna have? And I'm like, shit,
Speaker 2: I guess, I guess that's it, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: But I do think too though.
Speaker 1: Sometimes when you are having a bad day and you
Speaker 1: have all these responsibilities, I'll.
Speaker 2: Be like, well, how can I go? I got like
Speaker 2: sixteen things planned next week that I have to get done.
Speaker 2: I can't even take the one day off.
Speaker 3: This is why they said they all done. There say
Speaker 3: this thing about how you have to have something over
Speaker 3: two week month. No, I think next days, week or month.
Speaker 3: I can't remember what it is, but it's basically so
Speaker 3: that you don't get to where you feel like you
Speaker 3: have nothing. There has to be something on the calendar,
Speaker 3: whether it be a workout, whether it be a nail,
Speaker 3: something you scheduled for yourself. Even if it's not a trip,
Speaker 3: it's dinner at a cool place. You gotta have something
Speaker 3: because if you don't have that, then you feel hopeless,
Speaker 3: like we need to have those things. My mother actually
Speaker 3: gets like that. My mom's in her seventies. She gets
Speaker 3: so bored.
Speaker 2: I can't wait to bring the riots to your mom.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, baby to bad. She does it with
Speaker 3: random people in like restaurants, especially if they're like black
Speaker 3: and cool. She just be looking at the baby. She
Speaker 3: won't talk either. She'll just start to do this while
Speaker 3: the mom's eating it's fine, and then keep talking to me.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, oh, weezy, it was such a good
Speaker 1: time having you that I hope that now that you're
Speaker 1: in LA, or when you pop in LA, you.
Speaker 3: Hit me up.
Speaker 1: Please do and hopefully you know if you pass a
Speaker 1: rich dude and you want to pull me to my
Speaker 1: first school, I want to. I want to experience I've
Speaker 1: never done it girl arrangement.
Speaker 2: I will. I'm serious.
Speaker 3: I want to chugger at the website.
Speaker 2: I want to.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna check it out and I'm gonna be texting
Speaker 1: you girl. You would not believe it.
Speaker 3: Financial domination, Financial domination. You got to make people feel
Speaker 3: like shiit online and they just send you money for
Speaker 3: doing it.
Speaker 1: Really, I'm gonna I'm gonna look up all these pay picks,
Speaker 1: pay picks, but thank you for taking time out of
Speaker 1: be a crazy schedule to come visit and cook for
Speaker 1: me before we close out? Can you tell everybody all
Speaker 1: the different assets that you have and how to keep
Speaker 1: up with you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm on tour right now, Horrible Decisions. This is
Speaker 3: our final tours, the climax. We're not breaking up. We
Speaker 3: just really are like, touring is a lot of work.
Speaker 3: Can't do it. So check us out on her hive
Speaker 3: dot com and Horrible Decisions. Visit if you're an up
Speaker 3: and coming podcaster of a studio in New York and LA.
Speaker 3: It's super affordable. You can literally record for sixty bucks
Speaker 3: if you wanted to, or a thousand if you're rich.
Speaker 3: And my TV show Sex, I was confused stream that
Speaker 3: motherfucker because that's the place that got the most mouthed
Speaker 3: to be so really just literally sit in streaming, not
Speaker 3: really help.
Speaker 2: No, I want to watch it.
Speaker 3: It's really fun.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm definitely gonna watch it.
Speaker 3: It's a cute show. I go to a brothel this season.
Speaker 3: It's not out yet, but I've become a processing really.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I sat down with a client.
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm definitely watching it was crazy.
Speaker 3: My favorite episode of all time on there was when
Speaker 3: my mom did phone sex. That was crazy.
Speaker 2: I feel like I would be greatest phone sex by
Speaker 2: the way, maybe you would, I would. I would be phenomenal.
Speaker 3: Just so I covered the business that does it. She
Speaker 3: teaches women how to keep them on the phone.
Speaker 2: And like, I was in a celibate relationship, so I
Speaker 2: will say.
Speaker 3: I just got out of a simular relationship.
Speaker 2: Really, I hated it, and I absolutely hated it.
Speaker 1: I undred and then I got with my husband, who
Speaker 1: was like the opposite, just a SuperH and I was like.
Speaker 2: This is the best.
Speaker 1: But it came out of a celibate relationship and ran
Speaker 1: right to the opposite.
Speaker 2: Oh no, yeah, you.
Speaker 3: Need to do three times a week.
Speaker 2: Yeah, But thank y'all for tuning in to another episode
Speaker 2: of Eating while Broke. I'm your girl. Colleen, and this
Speaker 2: is Wheezy, Bye y'all.
Speaker 3: Bye.
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