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Speaker 2: I thought that the Democrat media loved refugees, even if

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Speaker 2: they're not refugees from.

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Speaker 3: All over the world.

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Speaker 2: Turns out they've got some questions now about fifty of

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Speaker 2: them so far, not the ten million it came in

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Speaker 2: under Biden. Let's talk to our friend Jeremy Carl about this.

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Speaker 2: He's the author of The Unprotected Class, which is a

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Speaker 2: fantastic book. I've got my copy of it here in

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Speaker 2: my library. How anti white racism is tearing America apart? Jeremy,

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Speaker 2: let's just start with your your overview of Hold on

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Speaker 2: a second. Why is it that now the media like

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Speaker 2: ABC News, Associated Press, you know, you name it, when

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Speaker 2: they report on the Trump administration taking in South African refugees,

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Speaker 2: they use a lot of words, words like, you know,

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Speaker 2: alleged refugees or purportedly or according to the administration. You know,

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Speaker 2: they're really parsing these fifty guys and gals.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, absolutely, And it's a real mask off moment,

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Speaker 3: as I put it on my ex account, and that

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Speaker 3: they're really sort of revealing their underlying kind of biases.

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Speaker 3: I mean, and there's really no question that, given some

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Speaker 3: of the things going on in South Africa, that these

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Speaker 3: people are under legitimate political persecution, they have legitimate fear

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Speaker 3: for their safety. And if there were every group of

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Speaker 3: refugees that you might think would do well here, I

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Speaker 1: Be these folks.

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Speaker 3: But yet the media is interested in kind of really really,

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Speaker 3: as you said, parsing very very closely, just exactly every

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Speaker 3: single detail of these folks.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, why, let's get to the why, right.

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean, I think it's pretty clearly that they

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Speaker 3: have the wrong skin color for the refugee community and

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Speaker 3: particularly the.

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Speaker 1: Refugee industrial complex.

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Speaker 3: And we just saw this today in an announcement from

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Speaker 3: the Episcopal Church that they are not going to resettle

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Speaker 3: these refugees. They're not going to be involved in it

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Speaker 3: any way, even though it would just be a couple

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Speaker 3: in their case probably, and so they're withdrawing from the

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Speaker 3: entire refugee resettlement program that they've been part of for decades.

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Speaker 3: And they sort of gave this very farcical explanation about

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Speaker 3: involvement in anti Aparte eate things historically, and they said,

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Speaker 3: you know, these people are not real refugees, and you

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Speaker 3: know this is just not what the information says.

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Speaker 1: I mean, this is not accurate.

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Speaker 3: So but it's revealing in terms of the preferences of

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Speaker 3: the far left mainline denominations.

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Speaker 2: I have to say I was not surprised at all.

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Speaker 2: I knew the media would the media would take the

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Speaker 2: reaction that they have, or they would react in this

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Speaker 2: way to South Africa white. So you have to specify, right,

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Speaker 2: if they were black South African refugees for whatever reason,

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Speaker 2: and just to be clear, if there were just black

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Speaker 2: They deserve their day in court, they need to go

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Speaker 2: have this all and now we find but because it's

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Speaker 2: white South Africans, who are a small percentage of the

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Speaker 2: these questions. The media didn't surprise me at all, Jeremy.

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Speaker 2: But the Episcopal Church thing, maybe it's my Dad's episcopalion.

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Speaker 2: So I hold out some hope that it's not just

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Speaker 2: some nice cathedrals. But I guess I'm wrong, because I mean,

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Speaker 2: this seems nuts, like the Episcopal Church, as you've pointed out,

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Speaker 2: decoupling from a forty year long relationship with refugee resettlement

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Speaker 2: in America over fifty South African refugees. Like, what point

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it is crazy, and they're just these are far

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Speaker 1: I actually I have a friend.

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Speaker 3: Who's a Congregational church, which is probably even to the

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Speaker 3: when I sort of put something out on X recently,

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Speaker 3: the far left what's going on here, the anti white racism.

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Speaker 3: But as I document in the book and have talked

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Speaker 2: And yet the Trump administration not backing off this one

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Speaker 2: taking these individuals in as refugees. I believe there could

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Speaker 2: be a lot more. Also, who come, I mean, Jeremy,

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Speaker 2: are you pretty familiar with the explanations as to why

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Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely so. I mean, I think this is important

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Speaker 3: the Afrikaners, who are the sort of Dutch largely Dutch

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Speaker 3: that's one piece of it. But the other really key

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Speaker 3: expropriation without compensation, which is the same thing that happened

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Speaker 3: And what that did is it both wiped out every

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Speaker 1: So it was really a disaster for everybody.

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Speaker 3: And I think the Trump administration is kind of firing

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Speaker 2: We'll come back here and talk more about some of

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Speaker 2: the policies you and I discussed from your book the

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Speaker 2: unprotected class and how they're coming to fruition some of them,

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Speaker 2: But look, with the concerns about tariffs and all kinds

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Speaker 1: Today.

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Speaker 2: All right, Jeremy, let's let's talk about some of the

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Speaker 2: biggest things that the administration has tackled in terms of

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Speaker 2: I think we should call it racial justice and the

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Speaker 2: unprotected class. Your book lays out some of this as well.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, I mean I think this is really an

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Speaker 3: federal government. It's you know, some of the things that

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Speaker 3: which is not how we've been doing it for quite

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Speaker 2: How much of the the work is really being done

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Speaker 2: rephrase this. The Supreme Court looked at the affirmative I

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm glad you mentioned that, because not only can

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Speaker 3: I gave a long talk at Hillsdale a few months

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Speaker 3: and it is actually just what you were suggesting. So

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Speaker 3: the Supreme Court basically ruled you can't discriminate, and effectively,

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Speaker 3: what the universities have done is they've just thumbed their

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Speaker 3: concerned about who's obeying court orders right now, they said, yeah,

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Speaker 3: we're going to discriminate anyway. I mean, they're not saying

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Speaker 2: by Paradigm Press. What are some of the other things

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I think there are certain things that they

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Speaker 2: I do think it's finally this administration is finally one

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Speaker 2: So we're making some gains here, some wins. What is

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Speaker 2: I mean disparate impact. For anybody's who's not familiar with

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Speaker 2: You can have a not for you, but for people

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Speaker 2: But as I like to point out to people, Jeremy,

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Speaker 3: Knew exactly what it was doing when it put these

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Speaker 2: It's a great book. If you haven't already gotten your copy,

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Speaker 2: go get the Unprotected Class. How anti white racism is

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Speaker 2: tearing America apart? Very much something to keep in mind

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Speaker 2: during a lot of the Trump battles ahead here. Jeremy Carl,

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Speaker 2: great to have you on, sir. Good to see you.

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