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Speaker 1: Welcome to Know Your Foe on Colts dot Com and

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Speaker 1: in depth loook at the upcoming matchup. Here are your hosts,

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Speaker 1: Casey Valier and former Colts wide receiver Bill Brooks. Welcome

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Speaker 1: into another installment of Know Your Foe right here on

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Speaker 1: Colts dot Com. I'm your host, Casey Valia. When we

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Speaker 1: are joined as always by Culturing of Honor member Bill

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Speaker 1: Brooks and joining us today to get a little insight

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Speaker 1: on the Jacksonville Jaguars is Gene Frenette, a sports columnist

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Speaker 1: for the Florida Times Union. Gean, thank you so much

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Speaker 1: for taking some time to talk with us. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's good to be with you, guys. I'd like to

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Speaker 1: start with a little bit of a momentum that the

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Speaker 1: Jags seemed to have after they got a big victory

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Speaker 1: over the Bills last week. I'm sure a lot of

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Speaker 1: betters were a little frustrated by that, and the Jags

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Speaker 1: had the Bills to just six points. Were you pretty

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Speaker 1: shocked by that? I think shocked would be like the

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Speaker 1: understatement of the year. That was like the easily the

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Speaker 1: biggest upset of the season. I think the spread was

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Speaker 1: fifteen and a half. Wow. At game time in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: Are a home team to be a fifteen and a half, right, dog?

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Speaker 1: Is that that's that's about as wide as spread as

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Speaker 1: you're gonna get for a home team. And look the

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Speaker 1: all the evidence pointed exactly to that, right. I mean,

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Speaker 1: the Jaguars were last in the NFL and turnover differential.

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Speaker 1: The Bills were first in the NFL and turnover differential.

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Speaker 1: The Bills were first in almost every pertinent defensive category

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Speaker 1: you can think of, and of course that sort of

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Speaker 1: came to fruition in the game. But what what was

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Speaker 1: different was the Jaguars defense. I mean, their defense had

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Speaker 1: only generated two turnovers all year. They got three in

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Speaker 1: this particular game. Uh. Their pass rush, which had been

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Speaker 1: I would say average at best going into the game,

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Speaker 1: maybe a little bit below average depending on what your

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Speaker 1: standard is, really really got after Josh Allen. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it was, it was, it was. It was like a transformation.

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Speaker 1: It's like it's like the entire def Underwinn a lobotomy. Sometimes.

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Speaker 1: You know, if I were the Jaguars, would I would

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Speaker 1: Josh Alan to change is legally change his name to

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Speaker 1: Carson Wentz for this week. I understand that completely. Well.

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Speaker 1: I want to go to the game that's going to

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Speaker 1: happen here on Sunday, the Culture the first time we

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Speaker 1: are going to see the new quarterback, the franchise quarterback,

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Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence. I know he left the game last week

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Speaker 1: with an ankle injury, but returned and appears like he's

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Speaker 1: early in his career, but you know, what have you

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Speaker 1: seen out of Trevor Lawrence in his first season in Jacksonville?

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Speaker 1: I would say just about every game he plays, you

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Speaker 1: always see most games. I wouldn't say every game. I

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Speaker 1: don't think that was the case last week, but you

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Speaker 1: usually see about two or three throws that not a

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Speaker 1: lot of NFL quarterbacks can make. I mean, there's there's

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Speaker 1: certainly evidence that this guy is going to be really,

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Speaker 1: fooky quarterbacks do. But they really don't have any really,

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Speaker 1: they don't really have much of in terms of weaponry

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Speaker 1: of course Trevor's teammate at Clemson. He lost him before

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Speaker 1: all that, but there's no true number one receiver on

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Speaker 1: I mean, James Robinson's is different than Travis etn. James

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Speaker 1: But James Robinson is a very very underrated back. I mean,

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Speaker 1: One of the things I want to talk about. You mentioned,

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Speaker 1: and part of it is Peyton Manning making them better,

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Speaker 1: right well, And I'm sure Trevor Lawrence will make some

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Speaker 1: But for now, he's still in the learning phase. You know.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, Peyton Manning was three and thirteen

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Speaker 1: to compare Trevor to Peyton. Well, so far the first year,

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Speaker 1: he's right on track. Hey, Jean, are you surprised that

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Speaker 1: his development. Well, I think that's part of what they

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Speaker 1: had hoped to get in Travis Etn. Yes, he's a

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Speaker 1: little bit you've got to really got to be on point.

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Speaker 1: The Colts defense is gonna have to really be on

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Speaker 1: the Jaguars won without him last week, but you know,

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