WEBVTT - Burning Hate: Tyler Dykes

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<v Speaker 1>Colzone Media.

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<v Speaker 2>Last week, a jury in Alpamarole County, Virginia found Augustus

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<v Speaker 2>Sole Invictus, guilty on the felony charge of burning an

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<v Speaker 2>object with the intent to intimidate for his participation in

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<v Speaker 2>the Nazi torch march at the University of Virginia on

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<v Speaker 2>August eleventh, twenty seventeen. This was not only the first

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<v Speaker 2>trial conviction for this charge, it was the first ever

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<v Speaker 2>jury verdict reached on a charge under Section eighteen point

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<v Speaker 2>two dashed four twenty three point zh one of the

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<v Speaker 2>Virginia Code. That law passed in two thousand two in

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<v Speaker 2>response to the legal challenge to Virginia's cross burning statute

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<v Speaker 2>by Pennsylvania klansman Barry Black.

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<v Speaker 1>I spent the last.

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<v Speaker 2>Two episodes talking about the history of cross burning in

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<v Speaker 2>Virginia and the life and legal battles of the man

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<v Speaker 2>who brought about this change the law. And I told

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<v Speaker 2>you that until last year, that law had been sitting

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<v Speaker 2>on the books, all but untouched for two decades. I

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<v Speaker 2>left you last week with a terrifying image a small

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<v Speaker 2>group of students surrounded by a sea of flames one

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<v Speaker 2>summer night seven years ago. I told you a few

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<v Speaker 2>weeks ago that this is a story I've been writing

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<v Speaker 2>and rewriting for years. I could fill six months worth

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<v Speaker 2>of episodes with just the stories of the men who

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<v Speaker 2>carried those torches. The years I've spent watching the same

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<v Speaker 2>few minutes of history, frame by frame from different angles,

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<v Speaker 2>placing individual men within that seething mass of violent intent

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<v Speaker 2>taught me a lot about the kinds of weird little

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<v Speaker 2>guys that make up a crowd like this. There are

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<v Speaker 2>cops and criminals, soldiers and soldiers of fortune, students and fathers,

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<v Speaker 2>domestic abusers, realtors and lawyers and small business owners, social

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<v Speaker 2>media personalities, and wanted fugitives. They're your neighbors, your weird cousin,

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<v Speaker 2>that guy at work you don't want to talk about

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<v Speaker 2>politics with. They're all just some guy. There were hundreds

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<v Speaker 2>of them there that night in August of twenty seventeen,

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<v Speaker 2>but we'll just start with one today. I'm Molly Conger.

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<v Speaker 1>This is weird little guys.

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<v Speaker 2>You might think this episode is going to be about

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<v Speaker 2>Augustus and Victus. It isn't. Where will one day probably

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<v Speaker 2>be a multi episode arc about the man who calls

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<v Speaker 2>himself the attorney for the damned. A man whose name

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<v Speaker 2>literally appears in the Miriam Webster Dictionary in the example

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<v Speaker 2>sentence for the term white nationalist. A man who has

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<v Speaker 2>been both a proud boy and a presidential candidate, both

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<v Speaker 2>a goat's slaughtering, blood drinking wizard and a traditionalist Catholic.

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<v Speaker 2>A father of seven with two ex wives and a

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<v Speaker 2>string of police reports filed by wives, girlfriends, and mistresses.

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<v Speaker 2>An attorney whose client list includes white supremacist paramilitaries, Nazi

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<v Speaker 2>street gangs, and anti Semitic trolls. A man who once

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<v Speaker 2>renounced all of his worldly possessions and wandered off into

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<v Speaker 2>the desert, proclaiming himself to be a god and a prophet,

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<v Speaker 2>before quietly returning to Orlando to work at his father's

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<v Speaker 2>law office. But that day isn't today. His conviction last

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<v Speaker 2>week won't be the end of his story. I'm sure

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<v Speaker 2>of that. So I'll bide my time. Because while Augustus

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<v Speaker 2>Invictus was the first person ever found guilty by a

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<v Speaker 2>jury of the crime of burning an object with the

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<v Speaker 2>intent to intimidate, he wasn't the first to be convicted.

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<v Speaker 2>Before his trial last week, there had already been five

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<v Speaker 2>guilty pleas by other members of that march. You see,

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<v Speaker 2>there is no statute of limitations on a felony in

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<v Speaker 2>the Commonwealth of Virginia. Whether or not that's wise or

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<v Speaker 2>really in the overall best interests of justice more generally

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<v Speaker 2>is a discussion for another day and maybe for another person.

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<v Speaker 2>But it is the current state of affairs, and Virginia

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<v Speaker 2>is a southern state, the one time capital of the Confederacy.

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<v Speaker 2>Few states without a bloody history of clan violence even

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<v Speaker 2>have a life on the books that makes it a

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<v Speaker 2>crime to use a burning object as a tool of intimidation.

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<v Speaker 2>But we did have such a history, and we do

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<v Speaker 2>have the resulting law. So even though that march in

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<v Speaker 2>twenty seventeen feels like it was almost a lifetime ago,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not too late under Virginia law to hold those

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<v Speaker 2>men accountable. To date, twelve men who marched that night

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<v Speaker 2>have been charged under a Virginia law that makes it

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<v Speaker 2>a felony to burn an object with the intent to intimidate.

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<v Speaker 2>Five have pleaded guilty to it, three have entered into

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<v Speaker 2>plea agreements to the lesser charge of disorderly conduct, one

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<v Speaker 2>went to trial and got a hung jury, and two

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<v Speaker 2>cases remained pending. The first sentence handed down in one

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<v Speaker 2>of these cases was for Tyler Bradley Dikes. His story

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<v Speaker 2>touches on quite a few of the recurring themes this show.

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<v Speaker 2>He was a US Marine who was discharged for his

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<v Speaker 2>involvement in extremist groups. He attended this Nazi rally where

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<v Speaker 2>he's on video throwing punches and Hitler salutes, and when

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<v Speaker 2>he wasn't held accountable for his actions, he went on

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<v Speaker 2>to engage an even more serious conduct, and now he's

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<v Speaker 2>in federal prison. The entire arc of his story can

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<v Speaker 2>be summed up in a single pair of images, I

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<v Speaker 2>think like a pair of Nazi bookends. First there's Tyler

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<v Speaker 2>Diykes on August eleventh, twenty seventeen, standing at the base

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<v Speaker 2>of the statue of Thomas Jefferson, holding a torch in

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<v Speaker 2>his left hand, with his right arm extended in a

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<v Speaker 2>Nazi salute. And then there's Tyler Dikes again on January sixth,

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty one, on the steps of the Capitol Building,

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<v Speaker 2>turning to face the mob below after fighting his way

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<v Speaker 2>up to the doors, giving the same salute. A few

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<v Speaker 2>months ago, Tyler Dykes was handed a fifty seven month

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<v Speaker 2>federal sentence for assaulting police officers during the January sixth

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<v Speaker 2>riot at the Capitol in twenty twenty one. If you're

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<v Speaker 2>trying to do some math in your head right now,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll tell you fifty seven months is just shy of

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<v Speaker 2>five years. But a federal prison sentence is kind of

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<v Speaker 2>like a baby in that you always measure it in months,

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<v Speaker 2>not years, and only the people who have to deal

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<v Speaker 2>with the time in question feel like that makes any

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<v Speaker 2>sense at all. In the sentencing memorandum written by his

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<v Speaker 2>defense attorney, he's described as an impressionable young man. He

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<v Speaker 2>was just twenty one years old when he traveled to Washington,

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<v Speaker 2>d C. With his friends from church. They said he'd

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<v Speaker 2>been influenced by the NonStop media coverage and President Trump's

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<v Speaker 2>social media posts into believing that the election had been stolen.

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<v Speaker 2>He made incredibly poor decisions, his attorney conceded, but he

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<v Speaker 2>never planned to engage in any violence. He was just

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<v Speaker 2>young and impetuous, and he got caught up in the crowd.

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<v Speaker 2>He was a United States Marine. He was a boy

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<v Speaker 2>scout quite literally. The defense sentencing memo cites his accomplishments

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<v Speaker 2>as an Eagle Scout He was just a nice young

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<v Speaker 2>man who goes to church every Sunday and runs a

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<v Speaker 2>small IT services company and takes care of his elderly parents.

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<v Speaker 2>How could he possibly be the kind of person who

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<v Speaker 2>deserves to go to federal prison for making a little mistake.

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<v Speaker 2>But that wasn't quite the whole picture. Not that those

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<v Speaker 2>things aren't mostly true. They are, but it's a spit

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<v Speaker 2>shined image of a much darker situation. Tyler Diykes was

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<v Speaker 2>indeed a member of the United States Marine Corps. On

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<v Speaker 2>January sixth, twenty twenty one, he was a US Marine

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<v Speaker 2>when he wrenched the riot shield from the hands of

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<v Speaker 2>a US Capitol Police officer and then used that shield

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<v Speaker 2>to force his way through the police line and into

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<v Speaker 2>the Capitol building, and he remained a United States Marine

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<v Speaker 2>until he was given an other than honorable discharge in

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty two. The revelations that unraveled his life came

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<v Speaker 2>out of order. He wasn't identified as a Unite the

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<v Speaker 2>Right attendee until twenty twenty two, after he'd already participated

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<v Speaker 2>in the January sixth riot. In twenty twenty one, he

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't identified as the man putting swastika stickers around town

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<v Speaker 2>in twenty twenty until he was discharged from the Marines

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<v Speaker 2>for it in twenty twenty two, and he wasn't identified

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<v Speaker 2>as a participant in the January sixth riot until July

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<v Speaker 2>of twenty twenty three, after he'd been convicted for his

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<v Speaker 2>conduct at Unite the Right. The consequences of his actions

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<v Speaker 2>always seemed to come a little too late, after he'd

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<v Speaker 2>already been emboldened by an apparent lack thereof. At his

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<v Speaker 2>federal sentencing hearing a few months ago, he told the

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<v Speaker 2>judge that he was high on adrenaline during the Capitol

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<v Speaker 2>riot and said, I falsely believed that I would be

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<v Speaker 2>free of consequences, But maybe we should start at the

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<v Speaker 2>beginning rather than the end. In August of twenty seventeen,

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<v Speaker 2>Tyler Dykes was nineteen years old. He'd taken a year

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<v Speaker 2>off after high school and was living at home with

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<v Speaker 2>his parents in North Carolina that summer after spending his

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<v Speaker 2>gap year abroad in Romania. He'd been accepted to Cornell

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<v Speaker 2>University and would be moving into his dorm at the

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<v Speaker 2>end of the month. Just a week before new student

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<v Speaker 2>orientation at Cornell, he took one last trip before starting college,

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<v Speaker 2>he to Charlottesville. On the evening of August eleventh, twenty seventeen,

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<v Speaker 2>Tyler Dyke stood among the hundreds of men who gathered

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<v Speaker 2>at Nameless Field. It's a confusing name, Nameless Field. It

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<v Speaker 2>isn't nameless, it has a name. The name is nameless Field.

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<v Speaker 2>I wonder what kind of who's on first type conversations

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<v Speaker 2>happened over text message that night as the crowd assembled.

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<v Speaker 2>But there he was in the field down by the

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<v Speaker 2>tennis courts behind the library, and he was handed a torch,

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<v Speaker 2>and he found a place in line, and he marched.

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<v Speaker 2>He chanted with the crowd as this river of flames

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<v Speaker 2>wound its way through the university grounds. Blood and soil,

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<v Speaker 2>blood and soil. You will not run place us, Jews

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<v Speaker 2>will not replace us. Fuck off, commis this is our

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<v Speaker 2>town now, They shouted on the empty streets as they

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<v Speaker 2>passed empty buildings. Blood and soil, Blood and soil, blood

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<v Speaker 2>and soil. They chanted until they could taste the blood

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<v Speaker 2>in their own mouths from shouting themselves hoarse, blood and soil,

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<v Speaker 2>until they saw blood red. When the small group of

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<v Speaker 2>students at the base of the Thomas Jefferson statue came

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<v Speaker 2>into view. The streets had been empty until the march

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<v Speaker 2>filled them. The libraries were empty, the dorms were empty,

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<v Speaker 2>the academic and administrative buildings were empty. But as the

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<v Speaker 2>march reached the top of the rotunda step, looking down

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<v Speaker 2>into the brick plaza below, they knew they weren't alone anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>They knew what they were doing. As they came down

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<v Speaker 2>those steps, each man, torch in hand, had a moment.

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<v Speaker 1>At the top of those.

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<v Speaker 2>Stairs, each marcher could see from that vantage point the

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<v Speaker 2>tiny group in the plaza below, students, many of them

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<v Speaker 2>still just teenagers, holding a homemade banner that read UVA

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<v Speaker 2>Students against White Supremacy, And in that moment on those steps,

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<v Speaker 2>each of them made the choice to follow the man

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<v Speaker 2>in front of him. As the march wound its way

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<v Speaker 2>around the statue around the students, circling around, arcing wide,

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<v Speaker 2>and then tightening up, encircling them and.

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<v Speaker 1>Closing them in.

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<v Speaker 2>As the ring of fire closed around the statue around

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<v Speaker 2>those students, the violence began almost immediately. Verbal altercations gave

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<v Speaker 2>way to fists shouted epithets were chased through the air

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<v Speaker 2>by streams of pepper spray, a lit torch was swung,

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<v Speaker 2>making contact with a counter protester trying to shield those

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<v Speaker 2>terrified young people. I've watched this video a hundred times,

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<v Speaker 2>a thousand, maybe, and I still flinch as the flame

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<v Speaker 2>arcs towards someone that I count among my closest friends.

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<v Speaker 1>I tell you that not.

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<v Speaker 2>To pull at your heart strings. You don't need to

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<v Speaker 2>know that that video still makes my chest feel tight.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm telling you because I want you to know. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not objective about this. I don't pretend to be, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't want to be. I don't believe in this myth

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<v Speaker 2>of journalistic objectivity. Everybody has a thumb on the scale somewhere.

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<v Speaker 2>Most people just lie about it to you or even

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<v Speaker 2>to themselves. Of course, I have a bias here. I

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<v Speaker 2>live here. I've sat in courtrooms and in coffee shops,

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<v Speaker 2>and on long car rides and on living room couches

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<v Speaker 2>with people who are hurt that night. But even if

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<v Speaker 2>I had no connection to these people or to this place,

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<v Speaker 2>it's no secret that as a researcher of white supremacist

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<v Speaker 2>violence in America, my starting position is always against fascism,

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<v Speaker 2>against Nazism, against violence done in the name of white supremacy,

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<v Speaker 2>and I don't think that's anything to be ashamed of.

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<v Speaker 2>As sociologist and expert on political violence, doctor Peter Seemi

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<v Speaker 2>once said on the stand, no one is ever surprised

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<v Speaker 2>to find out that a cancer researcher is interested in

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<v Speaker 2>preventing cancer. So yes, I have a stake in.

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<v Speaker 1>This, but you do too.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe you don't know it yet, You don't know these people.

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<v Speaker 2>But I choose to betray my own lack of objectivity

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<v Speaker 2>here to get you to think about yours, because I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think you should be objective about this. There is

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<v Speaker 2>no special prize to be won by being the most

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<v Speaker 2>diligently neutral observer of fascist violence. You and I, listener,

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<v Speaker 2>we are not jurors. We are not ruling on the law.

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<v Speaker 2>We are people who have to live in this world.

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<v Speaker 2>You should feel something you can't shove down when you

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<v Speaker 2>see a man who proudly calls himself a Nazi swing

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<v Speaker 2>a flaming torch at someone who is trapped, someone whose

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<v Speaker 2>only crime is not wanting hate to go unchallenged in

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<v Speaker 2>a public square. And that's where Tyler Diykes was that night,

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<v Speaker 2>right at the center of this melee. As the air

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<v Speaker 2>filled with screams and the burning scent of pepper spray.

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<v Speaker 2>Tyler Diykes was fist fighting anyone he could reach. Videos

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<v Speaker 2>showed Dikes was the last one still fighting. He threw

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<v Speaker 2>the last punch of the night, even as everyone else

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<v Speaker 2>seemed to be coming to their senses. When the counter

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<v Speaker 2>protesters were finally able to escape from the mob, the

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<v Speaker 2>torch marchers took the statue. Several of them climbed the

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<v Speaker 2>plinth and cheered for the victory they'd won. Seeg kile

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<v Speaker 2>Hail victory they shouted. Video shows Tyler Dikes pacing back

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<v Speaker 2>and forth in front of the statue, right arm extended

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<v Speaker 2>in a Nazi salute. After the deadly rally, the next morning,

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<v Speaker 2>Tyler Diykes went home. He started at Cornell a few

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<v Speaker 2>weeks later, but they didn't go well. He dropped out

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<v Speaker 2>after a few months and enlisted in the Marines instead,

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<v Speaker 2>and it seems like that may not have gone well either,

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<v Speaker 2>because after a few months of training he was discharged

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<v Speaker 2>to the Reserves and returned home, which was now South Carolina.

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<v Speaker 1>He started an.

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<v Speaker 2>IT company, calling himself the Technology King of the Low Country,

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<v Speaker 2>and made house calls to help suburban grandparents set up

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<v Speaker 2>their WiFi routers, and when he wasn't troubleshooting a customer

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<v Speaker 2>computer or going to church, he was hanging Swastika banners

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<v Speaker 2>from highway overpasses with his friends in the Southern Suns

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<v Speaker 2>Active Club, a white supremacist organization operating in Georgia and

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<v Speaker 2>the Carolinas, a regional cell of the larger international network

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<v Speaker 2>of Active Clubs. These active clubs are, to put it succinctly,

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<v Speaker 2>Nazi fight clubs. They were inspired by Robert Rundo's Rise

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<v Speaker 2>Above Movement, the Southern California based Nazi street fighting outfit

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<v Speaker 2>that brawled their way across the country at right wing

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<v Speaker 2>political rallies throughout twenty seventeen. There is no centralized leadership

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<v Speaker 2>or organizational structure. Active clubs operate regionally and are operationally

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<v Speaker 2>independent from one another. They share a love of mixed

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<v Speaker 2>martial arts, both as a hobby and as training for

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<v Speaker 2>a coming race war, and engage in the kind of

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<v Speaker 2>propaganda campaigns common among groups like Patriot so hanging banners

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<v Speaker 2>with racist slogans from bridges and plastering stickers on street

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<v Speaker 2>signs in mailboxes around town. There are active clubs all

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<v Speaker 2>over the United States, Canada and Europe, as well as

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<v Speaker 2>a faltering effort led by Thomas Seol to get them

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<v Speaker 2>going in Australia. Each club operates independently, but they network

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<v Speaker 2>and meet up even across national borders, and there is

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<v Speaker 2>quite a bit of cross pollination between the Active Clubs

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<v Speaker 2>and other violent white supremacist organizations. They tend to be

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<v Speaker 2>on good terms with groups like Patriot Front, and several

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<v Speaker 2>notable Active club members have ties to Adam Waffen and Terogram.

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<v Speaker 2>Andrew Tekstov, the New Jersey teenager and Terogram collective chat

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<v Speaker 2>member arrested this summer, was a member of an Active

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<v Speaker 2>Club cell in New Jersey. Active Clubs in Finland are

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<v Speaker 2>involved in paramilitary training of Karelians reparatist groups that fight

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<v Speaker 2>alongside the Russian Volunteer Corps, the same Nazi paramilitary group

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<v Speaker 2>in Ukraine that Andrew Takestov was on his way to

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<v Speaker 2>join when he was arrested. All that to say this

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<v Speaker 2>isn't just guys lifting weights together and talking about their

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<v Speaker 2>love of the white race. Active club members on multiple

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<v Speaker 2>continents have been arrested for acts of violence and for

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<v Speaker 2>planning acts of terrorism, and the reason I can tell

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<v Speaker 2>you with an unusually high degree of certainty that Tyler

0:21:33.280 --> 0:21:35.960
<v Speaker 2>Diykes was a member of the Southern Suns Active Club

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<v Speaker 2>is because of one particular, no good, very bad day

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<v Speaker 2>that he had on March seventeenth, twenty twenty three. You see,

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<v Speaker 2>Tyler Dykes was indicted by a grand jury in Virginia

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<v Speaker 2>in February of twenty twenty three, but he didn't know

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<v Speaker 2>that nobody did. Grand juries are secret things, and his

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<v Speaker 2>indictment stayed sealed until he was taken into custody. And

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<v Speaker 2>with an out of state warrant, you don't just send

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<v Speaker 2>a local cop down to get him. You could, I suppose,

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<v Speaker 2>but they didn't. The local prosecutor where the charge is

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<v Speaker 2>filed can ask cops in the city where they think

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<v Speaker 2>he lives to go look for him, but they aren't

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<v Speaker 2>always super interested in doing. Some out of town courts

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<v Speaker 2>work for them, so oftentimes an out of state warrant

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<v Speaker 2>just sort of sits open waiting for you to step

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<v Speaker 2>on it, like a rake on the ground. If you've

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<v Speaker 2>ever been pulled over, you've seen a cop take your

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<v Speaker 2>license and walk back to his car. He's putting your

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<v Speaker 2>name into a computer, and if you have an open warrant,

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<v Speaker 2>he's going to find it.

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<v Speaker 1>If you cross a.

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<v Speaker 2>Border or go through TSA, or get a speeding ticket,

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<v Speaker 2>or have really almost any kind of interaction with a

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<v Speaker 2>cop up, they're going to run your name. And in

0:23:03.720 --> 0:23:06.840
<v Speaker 2>Tyler Dyke's case, he was sitting in an emergency room

0:23:06.920 --> 0:23:10.040
<v Speaker 2>in South Carolina making a police report a bought a

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<v Speaker 2>dog bite. Saint Patrick's Day is a big deal in Savannah, Georgia.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not entirely sure why, and that wasn't a rabbit

0:23:22.160 --> 0:23:25.040
<v Speaker 2>hole i'd let myself pursue this week, but it is.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure there's some particular moment in history where the

0:23:29.240 --> 0:23:33.359
<v Speaker 2>city had an unusually high concentration of Irishmen, and the

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<v Speaker 2>only lasting legacy is the nation's second most debaucherous green

0:23:37.160 --> 0:23:41.520
<v Speaker 2>beer soaked parade. I was in Savannah for Saint Patrick's

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<v Speaker 2>Day in two thousand and eight, but there was a

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<v Speaker 2>tornado that weekend and the blackout closed most of the bar,

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<v Speaker 2>so I don't think I got the full experience. And

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<v Speaker 2>in twenty twenty three, the Southern Sun's Active Club had

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<v Speaker 2>the brilliant idea that Saint Patrick's Day and Savannah would

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<v Speaker 2>be the perfect time and the perfect place to hang

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<v Speaker 2>a Nazi banner from a highway overpass, because all the

0:24:07.840 --> 0:24:12.879
<v Speaker 2>extra traffic in town meant more people would see their message.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks to an Atlanta based anti fascist research collective, we

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<v Speaker 2>have an inside look at the private conversations Dykes and

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<v Speaker 2>his friends had that day as they were going about

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<v Speaker 2>trying to get that banner up. The day didn't start

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<v Speaker 2>off well. The group had some trouble locating a good

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<v Speaker 2>spot for their banner. They weren't the only ones who

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<v Speaker 2>anticipated heavy traffic from tourists heading into town for the holiday.

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<v Speaker 2>There were cops nearby several of the locations they'd hope

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<v Speaker 2>to hit. When they finally found a suitable spot, Tyler

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<v Speaker 2>Diykes walked back to his car to get the tools

0:24:49.920 --> 0:24:53.280
<v Speaker 2>they would need to hang the banner, but before he

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<v Speaker 2>got back to his car, he encountered someone walking their dogs.

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<v Speaker 2>Diykes claims that he was mauled by three pit bulls,

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<v Speaker 2>but that seems like a bit of an over statement.

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<v Speaker 2>In the infiltrated group chat, he posted a photo of

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<v Speaker 2>a small, but unpleasant looking wound on his left pinky finger.

0:25:16.600 --> 0:25:18.600
<v Speaker 2>I feel like you'd come away with more than a

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<v Speaker 2>two inch cut on your little finger if you were

0:25:21.520 --> 0:25:26.520
<v Speaker 2>truly attacked by even one dog, let alone three pit bulls.

0:25:26.600 --> 0:25:31.000
<v Speaker 2>But we only have Tyler's word on this one. A

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<v Speaker 2>little before six pm, he texted the Southern Son's Group

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<v Speaker 2>Chat that he was headed to the hospital to have

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<v Speaker 2>his hand looked at. While he was waiting to be

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<v Speaker 2>seen at the hospital, he texted the group chat again

0:25:42.840 --> 0:25:45.280
<v Speaker 2>to let them know that the plan had gone awry

0:25:45.400 --> 0:25:48.000
<v Speaker 2>and unfortunately they hadn't been able to hang any of

0:25:48.040 --> 0:25:52.640
<v Speaker 2>the banners that day, writing quite literally, everything that could

0:25:52.720 --> 0:25:56.159
<v Speaker 2>possibly have gone wrong all happened at exactly the same time.

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<v Speaker 2>Half an hour later, though, nothing else went very wrong

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<v Speaker 2>for Tyler Dikes, and he texted the group again, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>being arrested by Virginia nuke my account. Dog bites, like

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<v Speaker 2>gunshot wounds are something that hospital staff are required to

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<v Speaker 2>report to the authorities. While Tyler Diykes was waiting for

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<v Speaker 2>a doctor to look at his hand, an officer arrived

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<v Speaker 2>to take a police report. And when you talk to

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<v Speaker 2>a cop in some official capacity, he's going to run

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<v Speaker 2>your name. I can't even imagine his surprise when the

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<v Speaker 2>officer informed him that he was a wanted fugitive in

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<v Speaker 2>a state he hadn't visited in years. His hand was fine,

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<v Speaker 2>it seems, and he was taken directly into custody from

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<v Speaker 2>the emergency room that night. It took nearly a month

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<v Speaker 2>to arrange for his extradition back to Virginia, during which

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<v Speaker 2>time he remained in custody. When Tyler Diykes was finally

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<v Speaker 2>transported up to Virginia, his attorney asked for a bond hearing.

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<v Speaker 2>Makes sense he'd been in custody for a month, and

0:27:21.840 --> 0:27:24.240
<v Speaker 2>it was at that April twenty twenty three bond hearing

0:27:24.760 --> 0:27:30.119
<v Speaker 2>that I first saw Tyler Dikes. At that hearing, Tyler

0:27:30.160 --> 0:27:33.040
<v Speaker 2>Diykes's father, Scott, took the stand to tell the judge

0:27:33.040 --> 0:27:35.920
<v Speaker 2>that if his son was allowed to return home with him,

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<v Speaker 2>he would ensure that his son stayed out of trouble

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<v Speaker 2>and would return for all of his court hearings. And

0:27:42.840 --> 0:27:46.639
<v Speaker 2>then the prosecutor handed Scott Diykes a few pieces of paper.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that your son? He asked. Scott Dykes was still

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<v Speaker 2>staring down at the paper in his hands when he said, softly, reluctantly,

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<v Speaker 2>it looks like it could be. The pages in his

0:28:03.720 --> 0:28:07.600
<v Speaker 2>hands were printed out stills from security camera footage showing

0:28:07.640 --> 0:28:11.119
<v Speaker 2>a tall, dark haired young man putting up flyers with

0:28:11.200 --> 0:28:14.560
<v Speaker 2>swastikas on them in Sumter, South Carolina. In November of

0:28:14.600 --> 0:28:19.480
<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty, the prosecutor asked Scott Dikes if he knew

0:28:19.480 --> 0:28:23.600
<v Speaker 2>why his son had been discharged from the Marines. He

0:28:23.640 --> 0:28:28.240
<v Speaker 2>didn't know. Tyler had apparently not even told his parents

0:28:28.280 --> 0:28:32.760
<v Speaker 2>that he'd been given an other than honorable discharge. He

0:28:32.800 --> 0:28:35.040
<v Speaker 2>didn't tell his parents that he'd been interviewed by an

0:28:35.160 --> 0:28:39.160
<v Speaker 2>FBI agent from the Joint Terrorism Task Force in twenty nineteen,

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<v Speaker 2>or that he was a suspect in the case of

0:28:42.120 --> 0:28:47.360
<v Speaker 2>the Sumter County swastika stickers in twenty twenty. The prosecutor

0:28:47.400 --> 0:28:51.479
<v Speaker 2>didn't ask Scott Dikes where his son was on January sixth,

0:28:51.480 --> 0:28:55.080
<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty one. Maybe he didn't know he should have.

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<v Speaker 2>We know now that the FBI had been investigating Dyke's

0:29:00.520 --> 0:29:03.520
<v Speaker 2>involvement in the insurrection since December of twenty twenty one,

0:29:04.440 --> 0:29:06.320
<v Speaker 2>but they may not have shared that information with a

0:29:06.400 --> 0:29:11.480
<v Speaker 2>county prosecutor. It was Diykes's own messages in the chat

0:29:11.520 --> 0:29:13.400
<v Speaker 2>on the day of his arrest that left him in

0:29:13.480 --> 0:29:18.080
<v Speaker 2>jail without bond after that hearing. Mere hours before his

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<v Speaker 2>arrest on Saint Patrick's Day, he was demonstrating what they

0:29:21.520 --> 0:29:28.000
<v Speaker 2>call consciousness of guilt. That is, behavior that shows you

0:29:28.120 --> 0:29:32.240
<v Speaker 2>knew what you were doing was wrong. His messages show

0:29:32.280 --> 0:29:34.600
<v Speaker 2>that he had attempted to evade police in order to

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<v Speaker 2>find an overpass, which he planned to use tools to

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<v Speaker 2>damage for the purpose of unfurling a racist banner. Then,

0:29:42.320 --> 0:29:45.640
<v Speaker 2>upon learning of his arrest, he demonstrated a willingness to

0:29:45.760 --> 0:29:49.720
<v Speaker 2>destroy evidence, asking other members of the white supremacist group

0:29:49.800 --> 0:29:54.840
<v Speaker 2>to erase his participation, to nuke his account and delete

0:29:54.880 --> 0:29:57.160
<v Speaker 2>the chat so police couldn't read it on his phone

0:29:57.200 --> 0:30:01.680
<v Speaker 2>once it was checked into evidence. In his ruling denying bond,

0:30:01.760 --> 0:30:05.480
<v Speaker 2>the judge told Dikes that day, this court can't believe

0:30:05.920 --> 0:30:11.080
<v Speaker 2>you'll be on good behavior if released from custody. It

0:30:11.120 --> 0:30:13.640
<v Speaker 2>was barely a month later that Tyler Dykes decided to

0:30:13.680 --> 0:30:16.360
<v Speaker 2>plead guilty to the charge of burning an object with

0:30:16.440 --> 0:30:20.320
<v Speaker 2>the intent to intimidate. The judge handed down a sentence

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<v Speaker 2>of five years, the maximum under the statute, but suspended

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<v Speaker 2>all but six months of it. I don't know if

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<v Speaker 2>this is a common practice everywhere, but I see it

0:30:33.760 --> 0:30:37.360
<v Speaker 2>almost all the time here in Virginia, the judge gives

0:30:37.360 --> 0:30:40.360
<v Speaker 2>you a much longer sentence than he actually expects you

0:30:40.440 --> 0:30:43.720
<v Speaker 2>to serve, and you just serve that little bit of

0:30:43.760 --> 0:30:47.720
<v Speaker 2>your sentence, but that suspended portion hangs over you like

0:30:47.720 --> 0:30:49.920
<v Speaker 2>a sort of damocles that will fall if you get

0:30:49.960 --> 0:30:52.960
<v Speaker 2>into any trouble during some set period of good behavior.

0:30:54.560 --> 0:30:57.200
<v Speaker 2>With the time he'd already served before his extradition and

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<v Speaker 2>credit for good behavior, he was scheduled to be released

0:31:00.600 --> 0:31:04.200
<v Speaker 2>in July of twenty twenty three, just four months after

0:31:04.240 --> 0:31:09.400
<v Speaker 2>that terrible day in March. And here's where I wasted

0:31:09.600 --> 0:31:14.720
<v Speaker 2>a whole day of my life. I was curious to

0:31:14.760 --> 0:31:17.880
<v Speaker 2>see Tyler Dikes walk out of the album roll Charlettsville

0:31:17.920 --> 0:31:22.800
<v Speaker 2>Regional Jail. I can't explain now why I felt like

0:31:22.880 --> 0:31:25.600
<v Speaker 2>that might be an interesting or important thing to see,

0:31:25.880 --> 0:31:30.480
<v Speaker 2>and in retrospect, it really wouldn't have been. But I

0:31:30.520 --> 0:31:34.280
<v Speaker 2>knew his scheduled release date, and I lived nearby, and

0:31:34.360 --> 0:31:37.760
<v Speaker 2>I wasn't busy that day, so I thought i'd try.

0:31:39.040 --> 0:31:41.840
<v Speaker 2>I got up early and drove to the jail. I

0:31:41.920 --> 0:31:45.040
<v Speaker 2>packed snacks and drinks, and I was prepared to wait

0:31:45.080 --> 0:31:48.120
<v Speaker 2>around for a couple of hours. I talked to a

0:31:48.120 --> 0:31:51.800
<v Speaker 2>few people who'd been booked into ACRJ, and typically you

0:31:51.840 --> 0:31:58.680
<v Speaker 2>get released sometime before lunch. But the hours passed and

0:31:58.720 --> 0:32:03.400
<v Speaker 2>they kept passing. I finished all the snacks I brought,

0:32:04.680 --> 0:32:08.200
<v Speaker 2>got bored. It was hot as hell, and I didn't

0:32:08.200 --> 0:32:10.200
<v Speaker 2>want to run my car all day just for the

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<v Speaker 2>AC so I just sat there, sweating, waiting. I watched

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<v Speaker 2>that damn door like a hawk as the hours passed,

0:32:23.880 --> 0:32:27.840
<v Speaker 2>and then I got an email. I have all sorts

0:32:27.840 --> 0:32:31.600
<v Speaker 2>of automated email alerts set up related to court cases

0:32:31.640 --> 0:32:35.520
<v Speaker 2>and custody status of weird little guys all over the country,

0:32:36.280 --> 0:32:38.920
<v Speaker 2>guys I just like to keep track of, or might

0:32:38.960 --> 0:32:42.600
<v Speaker 2>write about one day, or I don't know, just nosy.

0:32:43.760 --> 0:32:45.680
<v Speaker 2>So not a day goes by that I don't get

0:32:46.120 --> 0:32:50.480
<v Speaker 2>some notification that somebody's filed emotion, or they're appealing something,

0:32:50.560 --> 0:32:54.400
<v Speaker 2>or they've been transferred to another facility. It's always something,

0:32:55.600 --> 0:32:59.880
<v Speaker 2>and there it was a custody status changed notification.

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<v Speaker 1>I'd been sitting in.

0:33:02.360 --> 0:33:06.480
<v Speaker 2>The jail parking lot for seven hours waiting for a

0:33:06.520 --> 0:33:11.480
<v Speaker 2>man who never did walk out the front door. This

0:33:11.560 --> 0:33:14.200
<v Speaker 2>email is to inform you that Tyler Diykes with a

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<v Speaker 2>Fender number one zero six five one six three three

0:33:18.240 --> 0:33:22.480
<v Speaker 2>was released from custody on July seventeen, twenty twenty three.

0:33:22.600 --> 0:33:29.680
<v Speaker 2>The release reason is other law enforcement agency, other law

0:33:29.760 --> 0:33:38.120
<v Speaker 2>enforcement agency. Usually the email says bonded out or sentence served,

0:33:39.200 --> 0:33:44.840
<v Speaker 2>but this one said other law enforcement agency. That means

0:33:45.720 --> 0:33:49.200
<v Speaker 2>he wasn't released at all. That means some kind of

0:33:49.320 --> 0:33:55.040
<v Speaker 2>cop from somewhere else picked him up. He never walked

0:33:55.080 --> 0:33:57.800
<v Speaker 2>out the front door because he'd been driven out the

0:33:57.880 --> 0:34:02.400
<v Speaker 2>side entrance in a non script looking SUV with a U. S.

0:34:02.480 --> 0:34:06.080
<v Speaker 2>Marshal at the wheel. I had to wait until the

0:34:06.120 --> 0:34:08.719
<v Speaker 2>following morning for the federal charging documents to show up

0:34:08.719 --> 0:34:12.160
<v Speaker 2>in the system, So it wasn't until July of twenty

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<v Speaker 2>twenty three that I finally knew what the FBI had

0:34:15.600 --> 0:34:19.280
<v Speaker 2>known for a year and a half. Tyler Dikes fought

0:34:19.320 --> 0:34:23.080
<v Speaker 2>his way into the Capitol on January sixth, twenty twenty one.

0:34:25.640 --> 0:34:28.840
<v Speaker 2>He was charged in a ten count indictment with robbery,

0:34:29.200 --> 0:34:33.200
<v Speaker 2>civil disorder, two counts of assaulting, resisting or impeding an

0:34:33.200 --> 0:34:36.160
<v Speaker 2>officer with a dangerous weapon, entering or remaining in a

0:34:36.239 --> 0:34:40.200
<v Speaker 2>restricted building, disorderly and disruptive conduct in a restricted building,

0:34:40.920 --> 0:34:44.560
<v Speaker 2>engaging in physical violence in a restricted building, disorderly conduct

0:34:44.560 --> 0:34:47.400
<v Speaker 2>and a capitol building, engaging in physical violence in a

0:34:47.440 --> 0:34:52.880
<v Speaker 2>capitol building, and picketing in a capitol building. He was

0:34:52.920 --> 0:34:56.000
<v Speaker 2>released on bond shortly after being transferred into federal custody,

0:34:56.560 --> 0:34:59.280
<v Speaker 2>and in addition to the standard rules of pre trial release,

0:35:00.080 --> 0:35:03.600
<v Speaker 2>the judge specifically mandated that he have no contact with

0:35:03.719 --> 0:35:07.280
<v Speaker 2>members of the Southern Sun's Active Club or any related

0:35:07.320 --> 0:35:10.360
<v Speaker 2>group while out on bond, and he was ordered to

0:35:10.360 --> 0:35:13.320
<v Speaker 2>live at his parents' home and keep to a strict curfew.

0:35:15.480 --> 0:35:17.959
<v Speaker 2>In April of twenty twenty four, he accepted a plea

0:35:18.000 --> 0:35:21.360
<v Speaker 2>agreement that dropped eight of the ten charges of the indictment,

0:35:22.040 --> 0:35:25.200
<v Speaker 2>pleading guilty only to the two counts of assaulting, resisting,

0:35:25.280 --> 0:35:29.800
<v Speaker 2>or impeding certain officers, and with the dangerous weapon element

0:35:29.920 --> 0:35:36.640
<v Speaker 2>dropped with no trial, Some questions about this case will

0:35:37.239 --> 0:35:41.960
<v Speaker 2>probably never get answered. In December of twenty twenty one,

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<v Speaker 2>the FBI received an anonymous tip from someone who said

0:35:45.920 --> 0:35:49.000
<v Speaker 2>Dikes told them he had entered the Capitol on January sixth.

0:35:50.320 --> 0:35:52.120
<v Speaker 2>The full text of the tip is printed in a

0:35:52.160 --> 0:35:57.640
<v Speaker 2>filing by the government. The suspect is Tyler Dikes lives

0:35:57.640 --> 0:36:01.360
<v Speaker 2>in Bluffton, South Carolina. I was with Dikes and we

0:36:01.440 --> 0:36:05.400
<v Speaker 2>started talking about the January sixth attack. We had differing

0:36:05.440 --> 0:36:09.239
<v Speaker 2>opinions about it, but was respectful. He then told me

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<v Speaker 2>about how he went into the capitol with a mask

0:36:11.560 --> 0:36:15.360
<v Speaker 2>on with the other rioters and started beating up police officers.

0:36:16.680 --> 0:36:18.919
<v Speaker 2>He states he was still in the military at the time.

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<v Speaker 2>He said he has video evidence of him being there,

0:36:22.480 --> 0:36:24.160
<v Speaker 2>but he did not show me since we were in

0:36:24.200 --> 0:36:28.480
<v Speaker 2>a public setting. He was there for fund and wanting

0:36:28.520 --> 0:36:31.319
<v Speaker 2>to make a statement. He was there with other group

0:36:31.400 --> 0:36:34.960
<v Speaker 2>of people, but would not state who. I believe he

0:36:35.040 --> 0:36:37.360
<v Speaker 2>was telling the truth about it, and I believe he

0:36:37.440 --> 0:36:42.560
<v Speaker 2>needs to be investigated. The Asian assigned to investigate the

0:36:42.600 --> 0:36:47.520
<v Speaker 2>tip confirmed the sources identification of Dikes through typical investigative

0:36:47.560 --> 0:36:51.680
<v Speaker 2>means things like issuing a subpoena to his cell phone provider,

0:36:52.360 --> 0:36:55.760
<v Speaker 2>comparing footage from the capital to the suspects, DMV photo,

0:36:56.560 --> 0:37:01.160
<v Speaker 2>and so on. But he had an extra source this time,

0:37:01.760 --> 0:37:05.799
<v Speaker 2>something an FBI agent doesn't usually have at his disposal

0:37:05.800 --> 0:37:10.320
<v Speaker 2>when he investigates an anonymous tip like this. He already

0:37:10.400 --> 0:37:16.000
<v Speaker 2>knew what Tyler Diykes looked like. He had met Tyler

0:37:16.080 --> 0:37:21.279
<v Speaker 2>Dikes before The agent assigned to follow up on this

0:37:21.440 --> 0:37:25.200
<v Speaker 2>tip was the one who had interviewed Dikes in January

0:37:25.239 --> 0:37:31.439
<v Speaker 2>of twenty nineteen regarding his potential ties to domestic extremist groups.

0:37:32.360 --> 0:37:35.920
<v Speaker 2>No additional information was offered in this affidavit about the

0:37:36.200 --> 0:37:40.680
<v Speaker 2>circumstances that prompted their first meeting, whether any follow up

0:37:40.719 --> 0:37:44.400
<v Speaker 2>investigation was done, or if that investigation was at the

0:37:44.440 --> 0:37:49.720
<v Speaker 2>request of or reported to the Marine Corps, or even

0:37:49.760 --> 0:37:53.320
<v Speaker 2>which extremist group the FBI believed he was involved in

0:37:53.320 --> 0:37:57.400
<v Speaker 2>in twenty nineteen, because it couldn't have been the Southern

0:37:57.440 --> 0:38:02.480
<v Speaker 2>Sun's Active Club. The active club network didn't really exist

0:38:02.920 --> 0:38:05.880
<v Speaker 2>that early on, back in January of twenty nineteen, and

0:38:05.920 --> 0:38:11.080
<v Speaker 2>the Southern Suns chapter certainly didn't. The agent doesn't give

0:38:11.120 --> 0:38:15.520
<v Speaker 2>me even a crumb to work with here, so I

0:38:15.560 --> 0:38:20.520
<v Speaker 2>don't know. And whatever it was about, that wasn't what

0:38:20.640 --> 0:38:25.280
<v Speaker 2>led to Dikes's discharge from the Marines. The military records

0:38:25.280 --> 0:38:28.839
<v Speaker 2>filed in this case are sealed, but references made to

0:38:28.920 --> 0:38:32.840
<v Speaker 2>them specifically cite those November twenty twenties swastika flyers in

0:38:32.880 --> 0:38:36.280
<v Speaker 2>Sumter County, South Carolina as the reason for his discharge,

0:38:38.120 --> 0:38:41.040
<v Speaker 2>and that's as much concrete information as we're likely ever

0:38:41.080 --> 0:38:43.560
<v Speaker 2>going to get about the reason for his removal from

0:38:43.600 --> 0:38:47.479
<v Speaker 2>the military. In a text found on his phone after

0:38:47.480 --> 0:38:50.920
<v Speaker 2>his arrest, Dikes had sent a photo of his discharged

0:38:51.000 --> 0:38:56.440
<v Speaker 2>letter to someone. He claimed he was being discharged quote

0:38:56.960 --> 0:39:01.680
<v Speaker 2>for being incredibly political with my fellow Beaux Marines after

0:39:01.719 --> 0:39:08.240
<v Speaker 2>the twenty twenty election, incredibly political. When he was interviewed

0:39:08.239 --> 0:39:11.120
<v Speaker 2>by the probation office for the pre sentenced investigation report

0:39:11.120 --> 0:39:15.560
<v Speaker 2>in his federal criminal case, he lied. He told the

0:39:15.560 --> 0:39:19.799
<v Speaker 2>probation office that he was asked to leave the military

0:39:19.920 --> 0:39:24.359
<v Speaker 2>after not reporting for drill, and that wasn't the only

0:39:24.440 --> 0:39:29.799
<v Speaker 2>time he lied. The government sentencing memorandum also indicates that

0:39:30.440 --> 0:39:34.319
<v Speaker 2>despite his willingness to plead guilty to the charges to

0:39:34.560 --> 0:39:38.440
<v Speaker 2>be honest about his conduct on that day, he was

0:39:38.520 --> 0:39:43.160
<v Speaker 2>not truthful in his final interview with federal agents. The

0:39:43.239 --> 0:39:46.040
<v Speaker 2>terms of his plea agreement required his cooperation with the

0:39:46.080 --> 0:39:50.440
<v Speaker 2>ongoing investigation into the events of January sixth. Part of

0:39:50.480 --> 0:39:53.920
<v Speaker 2>that agreement was a final debrief interview with federal agents,

0:39:54.120 --> 0:39:56.959
<v Speaker 2>which was conducted on June twenty eighth, twenty twenty four.

0:39:58.440 --> 0:40:02.120
<v Speaker 2>In that interview, Bigs again told agents that he left

0:40:02.120 --> 0:40:06.320
<v Speaker 2>his home in South Carolina mid morning on January fifth,

0:40:07.000 --> 0:40:11.360
<v Speaker 2>and arrived in DC that evening, sometime after dark, but

0:40:11.719 --> 0:40:14.680
<v Speaker 2>early enough to have dinner with his friends before checking

0:40:14.680 --> 0:40:19.360
<v Speaker 2>into his hotel for the night. And that's not true

0:40:19.920 --> 0:40:25.000
<v Speaker 2>because his cell phone tells a very different story. Records

0:40:25.000 --> 0:40:29.239
<v Speaker 2>obtained from Verizon show that his phone was in Marathon, Florida,

0:40:29.960 --> 0:40:35.320
<v Speaker 2>at three twenty pm on January fifth. A little before

0:40:35.360 --> 0:40:38.040
<v Speaker 2>eight pm, he took a photo with his cell phone

0:40:38.400 --> 0:40:41.640
<v Speaker 2>of a slip printed by an American Airlines kiosk at

0:40:41.640 --> 0:40:44.759
<v Speaker 2>the Miami Airport, indicating that he would need to see

0:40:44.760 --> 0:40:49.000
<v Speaker 2>a ticket agent for assistance. His phone pinged again an

0:40:49.000 --> 0:40:52.360
<v Speaker 2>hour outside his home in South Carolina at twelve thirty

0:40:52.440 --> 0:40:59.400
<v Speaker 2>a m. On January six. No clear conclusion is drawn

0:40:59.520 --> 0:41:04.000
<v Speaker 2>in the memo. The prosecutor doesn't write out exactly what

0:41:04.080 --> 0:41:08.600
<v Speaker 2>he thinks this means, but it appears that Dikes drove

0:41:09.160 --> 0:41:14.160
<v Speaker 2>thirteen hundred miles from the Florida Keys to Washington, d C.

0:41:14.840 --> 0:41:19.000
<v Speaker 2>Overnight after unsuccessfully trying to board a flight in Miami.

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<v Speaker 2>It would be very hard to forget driving for twenty

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<v Speaker 2>hours and then immediately fighting your way inside the United

0:41:29.280 --> 0:41:34.520
<v Speaker 2>States Capitol. Even three years after the fact. That's not

0:41:34.640 --> 0:41:40.120
<v Speaker 2>something you'd forget, is it. It seems far more likely

0:41:40.400 --> 0:41:43.600
<v Speaker 2>that he chose to conceal his activities in the lead

0:41:43.680 --> 0:41:50.040
<v Speaker 2>up to January sixth, But why it seems unlikely now

0:41:50.080 --> 0:41:55.280
<v Speaker 2>that the DOJ would choose to pursue additional charges, although remember,

0:41:55.600 --> 0:41:58.480
<v Speaker 2>it is a federal crime to lie to an FBI agent,

0:42:00.160 --> 0:42:03.120
<v Speaker 2>and it obviously wasn't something they cared enough about to

0:42:03.160 --> 0:42:06.400
<v Speaker 2>ask the judge to reject the plea agreement, which they

0:42:06.400 --> 0:42:10.640
<v Speaker 2>could have Whenever he was hiding about his trip to

0:42:10.680 --> 0:42:14.319
<v Speaker 2>Florida the day before the insurrection, he must have felt

0:42:14.400 --> 0:42:17.600
<v Speaker 2>like it was worth the possibility of a lot of

0:42:17.640 --> 0:42:23.000
<v Speaker 2>extra prison time to keep it to himself. The government

0:42:23.080 --> 0:42:25.520
<v Speaker 2>sentencing memo also details some of what was found on

0:42:25.560 --> 0:42:29.799
<v Speaker 2>Dike's phone. In the Southern Suns group chat, he used

0:42:29.840 --> 0:42:35.120
<v Speaker 2>the name Nocturnal Wolf. The prosecutor who prepared the memo

0:42:35.200 --> 0:42:38.880
<v Speaker 2>included several examples of materials found on the phone related

0:42:38.880 --> 0:42:43.920
<v Speaker 2>to the pseudonym things about Wolves. One of those little

0:42:44.320 --> 0:42:47.960
<v Speaker 2>odds and ends about wolves was the front cover of

0:42:48.000 --> 0:42:52.080
<v Speaker 2>a Terogram collective publication called do It for the Gram,

0:42:52.960 --> 0:42:59.680
<v Speaker 2>which bears the phrase faceless Lone Wolf. The prosecutor makes

0:43:00.239 --> 0:43:03.560
<v Speaker 2>no mention of the contents of the document or the

0:43:03.560 --> 0:43:06.960
<v Speaker 2>fact that it is a three hundred page manual on

0:43:07.040 --> 0:43:11.400
<v Speaker 2>how to commit varying acts of terrorism. It seems he

0:43:11.520 --> 0:43:15.759
<v Speaker 2>was perhaps unaware that he'd stumbled across a piece of

0:43:15.840 --> 0:43:22.080
<v Speaker 2>neo Nazi terrorist propaganda. There's no transcript of his sentencing

0:43:22.200 --> 0:43:25.960
<v Speaker 2>filed in the case, but NBC's Ryan J. Riley reported

0:43:26.000 --> 0:43:30.800
<v Speaker 2>that quote Dikes did not distance himself from extremist ideologies,

0:43:31.200 --> 0:43:33.480
<v Speaker 2>nor did he say he no longer believes the former

0:43:33.520 --> 0:43:37.720
<v Speaker 2>president's lies about the election. His biggest expression of regret

0:43:38.160 --> 0:43:40.920
<v Speaker 2>seemed to be for his elderly parents, who adopted him

0:43:40.920 --> 0:43:42.960
<v Speaker 2>as a child and who are still providing him with

0:43:43.000 --> 0:43:47.360
<v Speaker 2>a monthly allowance. Diykes was given a few months to

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<v Speaker 2>get his affairs in order after being sentenced to fifty

0:43:49.800 --> 0:43:53.239
<v Speaker 2>seven months back in July. The day before he was

0:43:53.239 --> 0:43:56.040
<v Speaker 2>scheduled to turn himself in to begin serving his sentence,

0:43:56.760 --> 0:43:59.280
<v Speaker 2>he filed a last minute motion asking for.

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<v Speaker 1>Just one month.

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<v Speaker 2>The reasons he gave were a series of doctor's appointments

0:44:04.840 --> 0:44:06.799
<v Speaker 2>that he needed to drive his eighty six year old

0:44:06.800 --> 0:44:11.360
<v Speaker 2>father to The judge was unimpressed by Diys's desire to

0:44:11.440 --> 0:44:14.879
<v Speaker 2>drive his dad to the gastroentrologist and denied the motion.

0:44:16.840 --> 0:44:21.040
<v Speaker 2>He reported to prison last week on October ninth, twenty

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<v Speaker 2>twenty four. If you don't have any disciplinary issues, you

0:44:25.360 --> 0:44:29.360
<v Speaker 2>typically serve eighty five percent of federal time, so he

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<v Speaker 2>could be released as early as October of twenty twenty eight,

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<v Speaker 2>just in time for the next presidential election. Weird Little

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