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Go 21 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:27,800 Speaker 1: to crime stops here dot com Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. 22 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:36,240 Speaker 1: It was just an ordinary Friday afternoon, the mother walked 23 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:38,920 Speaker 1: out of CBS with her two kids. She put them 24 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:41,679 Speaker 1: in the backseat of the vehicle, even though her locks 25 00:01:41,720 --> 00:01:45,839 Speaker 1: didn't always work. She never even imagined that somebody could 26 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:49,520 Speaker 1: be hiding in the back. You don't come after people 27 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:52,040 Speaker 1: with kids. And I told him that he messed with 28 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 1: the wrong. Which that wrong, which is named Dorothy Baker, 29 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:02,920 Speaker 1: is of her quick thinking. Two year old Jaden and 30 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 1: five year old Xavier are safe tonight. They were all 31 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:09,920 Speaker 1: shopping at CBS when police say fifty four old Ismail 32 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:13,760 Speaker 1: Martinez hidden their unlocked van. He popped up out of 33 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 1: the back seat and said that if I didn't want 34 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:21,919 Speaker 1: my kids to get hurt, that I would do exactly 35 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:25,560 Speaker 1: what he said. Don't mess with Texas, or at least 36 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:29,640 Speaker 1: a Texas mommy. I Meancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. 37 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:33,000 Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. I am writing a book, 38 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:38,519 Speaker 1: a nonfiction about how to stop crime, and I've been 39 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:44,320 Speaker 1: pouring over facts and statistics and this name popped up, 40 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:50,120 Speaker 1: Dorothy Baker, And when I read her story, I have 41 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 1: to share it with you. It could just save your life. 42 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 1: How many times have I walked into the efforts as 43 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:02,360 Speaker 1: I call every single drug store I go into, whether 44 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:04,920 Speaker 1: it's Right eight or Walgrains or CBS, I call it 45 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:08,440 Speaker 1: all the eckert We were going into Eckerd's. We came 46 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:11,880 Speaker 1: out and I realized I had not launched my car, 47 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:15,359 Speaker 1: and I couldn't believe that I had done that. How 48 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:19,800 Speaker 1: many times moms have you done that? Dad's well, Dorothy 49 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:24,320 Speaker 1: Baker came out of the CVS, took off with her 50 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 1: two little boys, and was attacked by a man in 51 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:31,640 Speaker 1: the way back, the far back seat, and with me 52 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:35,040 Speaker 1: right now to tell the story herself. She lived to 53 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 1: tell the tale the mom who not only fought back 54 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 1: against a carjacker, she put him in the hospital. I 55 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:48,560 Speaker 1: could not be happier. Dorothy Baker. Welcome, Thank you for 56 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 1: being with us, and thank you for having me. I 57 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:55,960 Speaker 1: appreciate it. Dorothy Baker. I appreciate your long pause when 58 00:03:55,960 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 1: you said he missed with the wrong which but I 59 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:04,880 Speaker 1: want to hear the whole story from the very beginning. 60 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:08,120 Speaker 1: First of all, you're going to the CVS. Was it 61 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:12,320 Speaker 1: in broad daylight? It was, yes, it was broad daylight. 62 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:16,000 Speaker 1: What time of the day was it. It was towards 63 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:18,679 Speaker 1: the morning. It was probably around time o'clock that morning. 64 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:23,400 Speaker 1: Dang I mean also joining me Crime online dot com 65 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:28,800 Speaker 1: investigative reporter Nicole Parton, juvenile judge and lawyer, founder of 66 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:34,080 Speaker 1: child crime watch dot com. Ashley Wilcott, hit show host, 67 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:39,480 Speaker 1: investigation Discovery Fatal Vows. Dr Brian Russell, and forensics expert 68 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:43,840 Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan, author of Blood Beneath My Feet, forensics 69 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:49,560 Speaker 1: professor Jacksonville State University. It's hard to believe, Ashley Wilcott. 70 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:53,080 Speaker 1: First thing in the morning, coming out of the CVS, 71 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:55,720 Speaker 1: you gotta be ready for a PERV in the back 72 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:57,800 Speaker 1: seat of your car. That's kind of hard to take in. 73 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:00,200 Speaker 1: Can you imagine? And you have a two year old, 74 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:02,840 Speaker 1: the five year old, which of us wouldn't freak out? 75 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 1: And you don't imagine that, You think that would never 76 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:08,039 Speaker 1: happen to you, And you know here she gets in 77 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:10,560 Speaker 1: the car and look who's hidden in the car. Well, 78 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:12,839 Speaker 1: don't mess with Texas. I just can't say it enough. 79 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:19,120 Speaker 1: Baytown mom Dorothy Baker takes two of her six children. 80 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 1: You deserve a metal lady with her to CVS. When 81 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:26,680 Speaker 1: she got back in the car with her children, a 82 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:32,320 Speaker 1: PERV is hiding inside with a knife. So Dorothy, you 83 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:35,039 Speaker 1: go into the CVS and you come back. You've got 84 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 1: you two little boys. What happened? Then I got him 85 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:42,440 Speaker 1: in the car. We went through the driver's side, um, 86 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:45,039 Speaker 1: front seat, and I had him climb over the seat, 87 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 1: and my five year old was buckling up my um 88 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:54,320 Speaker 1: my two year old and we take off. And what 89 00:05:54,440 --> 00:05:56,080 Speaker 1: kind of car is it? It was a It was 90 00:05:56,120 --> 00:06:01,000 Speaker 1: a dodged Grand Caravan. It was a Miniman. So you 91 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:05,039 Speaker 1: have a mini van like me? Okay? Um, as I 92 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 1: always say. Lucy asked me the other day, Dorothy, Mom, 93 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:11,159 Speaker 1: where we ever get in a new car? And I said, no, never. 94 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:13,159 Speaker 1: This is our car for the rest of our lives. 95 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:17,679 Speaker 1: We called the war Wagon. Um. So you're getting into 96 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:21,560 Speaker 1: a van and you all get in on the driver's side. 97 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 1: Now does it have one of those instant door openers 98 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:27,080 Speaker 1: where you just pushed the button and it opens. No, 99 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 1: it didn't have that. Um, but my key fob, I 100 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:35,680 Speaker 1: guess there there was some kind of deep factory default 101 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:38,800 Speaker 1: or something like that or defect. And when you would 102 00:06:38,839 --> 00:06:41,000 Speaker 1: press so the key fob to lock the doors, the 103 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:45,520 Speaker 1: doors looked locked, but they didn't always lock. And I 104 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:49,240 Speaker 1: wasn't I wasn't aware of that. Jackie Howard here in 105 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:51,880 Speaker 1: the studio is saying that happened to her. So you 106 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 1: all get in. We do that too. I like everybody 107 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:57,560 Speaker 1: to get in on one side because I try to 108 00:06:57,600 --> 00:07:00,240 Speaker 1: park on the side where there's not the track thick. 109 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:03,240 Speaker 1: So we get in on the side without traffic. So 110 00:07:03,279 --> 00:07:06,800 Speaker 1: we also all get in on one side. So they 111 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 1: get in Dodge caravan on your side, the driver's side, 112 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:15,120 Speaker 1: and I'm pretty sure that you did not go and 113 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:19,920 Speaker 1: search the far back. And you get in. They put 114 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:23,240 Speaker 1: on their seatbelts, and then what happened? I drive away, 115 00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 1: and um, my son, my my oldest boy, decided that 116 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:33,400 Speaker 1: he was gonna um unbuckles seatbelt to try to get 117 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:37,240 Speaker 1: the donuts, and I told him to sit down. Wait 118 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:40,080 Speaker 1: a minute, how do donuts get into this? Where were 119 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:44,760 Speaker 1: the donuts? Um? We had actually saw the man at 120 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:47,880 Speaker 1: Kroger's right across the street. I went to Kroger's first. 121 00:07:48,400 --> 00:07:54,000 Speaker 1: You saw him at Kroger Yeah, And I was walking 122 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:59,200 Speaker 1: into Kroger's because, um, I I was going to grab 123 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:01,680 Speaker 1: a few items and then turning a red box DDD 124 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:06,680 Speaker 1: And did you say Kroger's with an S on the end? Yes, 125 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 1: See Okay, no body. I thought nobody did that, But 126 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 1: everyone in my hometown of Mecan, Georgia either says Kroger's 127 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:19,800 Speaker 1: or the Kroger's. Okay, so I say it too. I 128 00:08:19,880 --> 00:08:23,920 Speaker 1: have been corrected. All right, So you see this guy 129 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 1: in kroger All right? Then what happened? Um? Well, when 130 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 1: when I first saw him, I had to pass by him, 131 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:34,240 Speaker 1: I thought maybe he might have been a worker. But 132 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:41,040 Speaker 1: um like the feeling that I got when I saw him, 133 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:44,480 Speaker 1: my whole body just kind of moved away from him, 134 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:46,400 Speaker 1: like I don't need to be around him. He had 135 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:51,719 Speaker 1: a very um bad vibe if if you can believe that. 136 00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:54,480 Speaker 1: Hold on right there. I hate to keep interrupting you, 137 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:57,840 Speaker 1: Dorothy Baker, but you're just giving me so much information. 138 00:08:57,880 --> 00:09:00,880 Speaker 1: I'm like drinking from a fire hydrant on. Hold On, 139 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:05,800 Speaker 1: Dr Brian Russell, lawyer and psychologist, and you and all 140 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:09,240 Speaker 1: your degrees. Very often I think you pooh pooh me 141 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 1: when I say people have a gut reaction, and I 142 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:18,320 Speaker 1: say that quote hunch is bred born of thousands of 143 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 1: years of evolution. Things that you notice that you may 144 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:26,280 Speaker 1: not even realize you notice. I mean, we're not at 145 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:29,840 Speaker 1: the top of the food chain for nothing. Dr Brian. Okay, 146 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:34,400 Speaker 1: so there's something about this guy that rubs her the 147 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:38,079 Speaker 1: wrong way that she just physically wanted to get away 148 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:43,280 Speaker 1: from him in as she says Kroger's what about that? 149 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 1: Dr Brian, I don't disagree with anything that you just said. 150 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:49,200 Speaker 1: I don't pooh pooh that at all. And I love 151 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:52,520 Speaker 1: this woman. I love this woman. I think she's a hero. 152 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:58,800 Speaker 1: And I think you know anybody who thinks that there's 153 00:09:58,880 --> 00:10:02,839 Speaker 1: anything wrong with this or God forbid, as we've seen 154 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:06,240 Speaker 1: in a couple of similar cases where people think, oh, well, 155 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:08,680 Speaker 1: we have to we can't have vigilantis and we have 156 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:12,240 Speaker 1: to file some charges against this woman. Come on, the 157 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:16,120 Speaker 1: law should be. It should be that you try to 158 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:18,680 Speaker 1: carjack a woman and her kids, she gets to run 159 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:21,360 Speaker 1: you down. Height long story short, this is self defense 160 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:23,719 Speaker 1: as far as I'm concerned. Take a listen to this. 161 00:10:23,920 --> 00:10:27,600 Speaker 1: She says. Martinez waved around a large night He directed 162 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:31,080 Speaker 1: her through nearby neighborhoods, demanding she stopped at an a 163 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:35,120 Speaker 1: T M. Baker kept driving, but used one hand to 164 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:37,880 Speaker 1: try to call nine wall one. He climbed over the 165 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:41,240 Speaker 1: seat on top of me, and he was trying to 166 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:45,520 Speaker 1: get my phone. When Baker refused, she says, Martinez got violent, 167 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:48,839 Speaker 1: slashing her chest and biting her hand. And I took 168 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:51,840 Speaker 1: my fist and I hit him in the face and 169 00:10:51,880 --> 00:10:54,040 Speaker 1: I told him to get out of my car. Once 170 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:57,520 Speaker 1: he got out, this mother rebbed her engine. Before she 171 00:10:57,640 --> 00:11:01,199 Speaker 1: knew it, her would be attacker was scream from underneath 172 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:04,120 Speaker 1: her car. I didn't mean to run him over. I 173 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:07,360 Speaker 1: was just trying to stop him so he didn't hurt 174 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:12,360 Speaker 1: anybody else. He's my hero. Take her anywhere, Take her anywhere. 175 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:16,720 Speaker 1: Twice on Sunday, Martinez was lifelighted to Memorial Herman Hospital 176 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:21,319 Speaker 1: with serious injuries. And that's what matters. You are hearing 177 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:27,319 Speaker 1: Katie r K t VS Pougia Lodia talking about superstar 178 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:31,120 Speaker 1: Dorothy Baker, who saved her two little boys, two of six. 179 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:33,880 Speaker 1: I might actually needs a medal for that. You were 180 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:39,760 Speaker 1: just hearing Charles Flusions talking right now with us Dorothy Baker. 181 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:43,400 Speaker 1: Dorothy goes into CVS with two of her little boys, 182 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:46,000 Speaker 1: ages two and five, I believe, comes out, gets in 183 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:49,920 Speaker 1: the car. She thought her Dodge Caravan was locked. It wasn't. 184 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:53,000 Speaker 1: They all get in, they drive off and suddenly this 185 00:11:53,200 --> 00:11:58,840 Speaker 1: PERV that she had just spotted in Kroger emerges from 186 00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:01,120 Speaker 1: the back seat. That's what I want to talk about. 187 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:04,480 Speaker 1: Dorothy again, thank you for being with us. How did 188 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:08,520 Speaker 1: you first realize this freak was in your car? Um? 189 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:14,479 Speaker 1: What I told my five year old son at the time. Um, 190 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:16,720 Speaker 1: he got up to get some donuts and I told 191 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:18,760 Speaker 1: him to sit down. Well, when he went to sit 192 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:22,000 Speaker 1: back down, he actually saw the guy and he said, hey, 193 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:25,760 Speaker 1: who are you Stars? And I looked in my rear 194 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:28,719 Speaker 1: view mirror, and that's when he grabbed my son and 195 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:31,560 Speaker 1: put the knife to my son's throat. Dorothy, right now, 196 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:35,360 Speaker 1: I have got chills on both of my arms and 197 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:39,920 Speaker 1: legs just that. I remember one time John David had 198 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:43,160 Speaker 1: had a blow to the head on a basketball court, 199 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:45,320 Speaker 1: a really bad one. He was in the hospital for 200 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:50,560 Speaker 1: four days and we thought he was okay. Then about 201 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:52,920 Speaker 1: two or three weeks later, I was put him in 202 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:56,000 Speaker 1: Lucy to bed and he went, I see two mommy's 203 00:12:57,040 --> 00:13:00,480 Speaker 1: And I'll never forget that feeling, because I thought, oh, 204 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:04,240 Speaker 1: my stars, he's got a slow bleed to his brain. 205 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:09,000 Speaker 1: Luckily that is not what happened, but that moment you 206 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:14,360 Speaker 1: hear that sentence and it sticks with you forever, and 207 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:16,720 Speaker 1: you heard your little boy say hey, who are you? 208 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:21,920 Speaker 1: And then what happened? Well, I was I was kind 209 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:28,640 Speaker 1: of shocked. I gasped, and um. The first thought in 210 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:30,679 Speaker 1: my head, I mean, he's got a knife to your 211 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:33,480 Speaker 1: son's throat. For the first thought in my head was 212 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:39,439 Speaker 1: still panic, um, because I knew if I, if I panicked, 213 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:43,280 Speaker 1: none of us were getting out of their lives at all. 214 00:13:43,880 --> 00:13:48,560 Speaker 1: There was there was no way. Um My. My second 215 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:53,400 Speaker 1: thought was he really messed up. You don't You don't 216 00:13:53,400 --> 00:14:00,480 Speaker 1: mess with my kids at all. So, um, I but 217 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:04,840 Speaker 1: at that point, you're are you actually you're driving and 218 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:07,640 Speaker 1: he's in the back or the middle state with a 219 00:14:07,800 --> 00:14:12,480 Speaker 1: knife to your son's throat. Yeah, what did he say? 220 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:15,600 Speaker 1: I asked him? I said what do you want? And 221 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:19,320 Speaker 1: he said, UM, you're gonna do what I what I 222 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:20,640 Speaker 1: tell you to do, or your kids are going to 223 00:14:20,680 --> 00:14:24,320 Speaker 1: get hurt. And I said, so what do you want? 224 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:26,640 Speaker 1: He said, I need some money and I said I 225 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:29,880 Speaker 1: don't have any cash on me. He said, well, you're 226 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:31,160 Speaker 1: going to figure out how to get it or your 227 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:37,960 Speaker 1: kids are gonna get hurt. And I said, okay. At 228 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:39,800 Speaker 1: this point, we're in the parking lot, or were you 229 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:42,160 Speaker 1: on the highway. No, I was I was actually driving 230 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:46,720 Speaker 1: through the neighborhood almost to my house, and um almost stars, 231 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:48,720 Speaker 1: Thank goodness, you didn't get all the way to your 232 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:50,880 Speaker 1: house and he gets in your house. So then what happens? 233 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:56,360 Speaker 1: I turned him? I turned away, and my first thought 234 00:14:56,400 --> 00:15:00,920 Speaker 1: was to go back to Kroger's because it's a populated area. Um. 235 00:15:01,040 --> 00:15:04,720 Speaker 1: I knew I needed to get around more people, um, 236 00:15:04,760 --> 00:15:07,800 Speaker 1: because I'd have a better chance and my kids would 237 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:12,600 Speaker 1: have a better chance at surviving the situation. Um. But 238 00:15:12,760 --> 00:15:14,880 Speaker 1: then he told me not to go back to Kroger's. 239 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:19,880 Speaker 1: So he figured out what you were doing. I mean, 240 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:24,400 Speaker 1: Joe Scott Morgan, you're the forensics expert. She's driving, she's 241 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:27,800 Speaker 1: got another child, and he's got a knife to the 242 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 1: little boy's throat. I mean, what could she do at 243 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:33,640 Speaker 1: that point she's driving. I mean, if she tried to 244 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:35,360 Speaker 1: jump out of the car, he could kill the ball, 245 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:38,600 Speaker 1: or the car could be you know, just take on 246 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:41,160 Speaker 1: a life of its own and kill everybody in it. 247 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:45,480 Speaker 1: And yeah, you're kind of in a lose lose situation here. 248 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:49,560 Speaker 1: I am absolutely amazed by this woman's bravery and just 249 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:52,520 Speaker 1: how cool she is in this moment, Tom, But I 250 00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:56,440 Speaker 1: think that that uh, that cool that you here is 251 00:15:56,560 --> 00:15:59,720 Speaker 1: kind of a steely vengeance. It's about to be visited 252 00:15:59,760 --> 00:16:03,400 Speaker 1: upon this guy to Crime Online dot Com investigative reporter 253 00:16:03,520 --> 00:16:06,960 Speaker 1: Nicole Parton, and all of this started at the local 254 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:11,400 Speaker 1: CVS across the street from Kroger, right, something that most 255 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:14,480 Speaker 1: of us, as moms do weekly. We go out to 256 00:16:14,520 --> 00:16:17,640 Speaker 1: a local area. We think we're safe, we think we're shopping, 257 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:21,240 Speaker 1: we think everything's gonna be okay. We go out and 258 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:24,120 Speaker 1: we're suddenly attacked. It can happen to any of us 259 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:28,720 Speaker 1: at any time. Unfortunately. What's so amazing is a she lived, 260 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:33,120 Speaker 1: but b was she first saw this guy in Kroger. 261 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:38,560 Speaker 1: She knew too. She felt physically moved to just get 262 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:42,000 Speaker 1: away from him. So, Dorothy, here you are. You're back 263 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:44,760 Speaker 1: in your neighborhood. He's got a knife to your son's throat. 264 00:16:45,520 --> 00:16:47,840 Speaker 1: He tells you don't go back to Kroger. What do 265 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:51,760 Speaker 1: you do? Um? I keep him talking. I keep looking 266 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:55,320 Speaker 1: at my rear view mirrorsm driving. UM, I slow down 267 00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 1: my speed. UM. I mean, it's only twenty miles through 268 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:02,600 Speaker 1: the name hood, but I I slow down significantly. I'm 269 00:17:02,680 --> 00:17:05,680 Speaker 1: I'm I'm creeping, probably going about ten maybe fifteen miles 270 00:17:05,680 --> 00:17:08,679 Speaker 1: an hour, because I need as much time as possible 271 00:17:09,160 --> 00:17:11,600 Speaker 1: to assess how I'm going to give him away from 272 00:17:11,600 --> 00:17:14,000 Speaker 1: my kids and up into the front seat with me. 273 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:18,600 Speaker 1: That's my only objective at at this particular time. Um, 274 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:22,720 Speaker 1: I need him away from my kids. And he's given 275 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:25,920 Speaker 1: me directions. Oh, he's giving you directions. You know another thing, 276 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:31,320 Speaker 1: Dorothy Baker, Texas Mom. He only you only saw him 277 00:17:31,359 --> 00:17:34,560 Speaker 1: because your son said, hey, who are you? He was 278 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:37,840 Speaker 1: back there. I guarantee you trying to get to your home. 279 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:42,439 Speaker 1: And the Lord only knows what would have been unleashed 280 00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:47,000 Speaker 1: if this guy had gotten into your home with you 281 00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:50,639 Speaker 1: and your children had gotten you in there. Take a 282 00:17:50,680 --> 00:17:53,400 Speaker 1: listen to this. The men in her VAM, police say 283 00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:57,240 Speaker 1: was Ismail Martinez. He threatened Baker and her kids with 284 00:17:57,320 --> 00:18:01,320 Speaker 1: a knife. He was looking for two us. I told 285 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:04,080 Speaker 1: him I didn't have any cash, and he said I 286 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:08,119 Speaker 1: better figure out a way to get some or he 287 00:18:08,280 --> 00:18:11,760 Speaker 1: was gonna hurt my kids. Baker knew she had to 288 00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:15,240 Speaker 1: act fast. Martinez, she said, climbed into the front seat 289 00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:18,760 Speaker 1: and was standing in the middle attacking her while she drove. 290 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:23,120 Speaker 1: As KPRC TVs Jennifer Bower. How did he get from 291 00:18:23,160 --> 00:18:26,080 Speaker 1: the bat up to the front seat, Dorothy. When he 292 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:29,199 Speaker 1: was giving me directions, he asked me to take a 293 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:33,440 Speaker 1: left on a street on East James Um, and that 294 00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:37,439 Speaker 1: left turn would have more than likely ended our lives. 295 00:18:37,600 --> 00:18:40,159 Speaker 1: And I know this. He wanted me to go to 296 00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:42,840 Speaker 1: an A T M at a gas station that was 297 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:46,879 Speaker 1: very rarely ever used. There wouldn't have been any way 298 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:51,240 Speaker 1: for me to get help. 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Crime stories with Nancy Grace. The mended her 345 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:08,480 Speaker 1: VAM Police say was Ismael Martinez. He threatened Baker and 346 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:10,960 Speaker 1: her kids with a knife. He was looking for two 347 00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:13,480 Speaker 1: hundred bucks. I told him I didn't have any cash, 348 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:15,960 Speaker 1: and he said I better figure out a way to 349 00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:19,800 Speaker 1: get some or he was gonna hurt my kids. Baker 350 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:22,879 Speaker 1: knew she had to act fast. Martinez, she said, climbed 351 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:26,000 Speaker 1: into the front seat and was standing the middle attacking 352 00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:29,480 Speaker 1: her while she drove, So you managed to get him 353 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:31,960 Speaker 1: away from the children when you take that right turn 354 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:34,000 Speaker 1: when he ordered you to take a left to it 355 00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:37,439 Speaker 1: pretty much? Um I want I want to say rural, 356 00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:41,679 Speaker 1: but deserted to an a t M where hardly anyone 357 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:44,600 Speaker 1: goes at a gas station. You didn't want to do that. 358 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:47,760 Speaker 1: I can't believe you had the wherewithal to turn right. 359 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:50,280 Speaker 1: And he jumps in the front seat with you and 360 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:54,320 Speaker 1: a knife and attacks you. Dorothy Baker, What happened while 361 00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:57,440 Speaker 1: I'm I mean before that, while I'm driving, I'm trying 362 00:22:57,440 --> 00:22:59,560 Speaker 1: to dial nine one one without him seeing me with 363 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:02,480 Speaker 1: my phone, and when he ends up jumping into the 364 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:04,719 Speaker 1: climbing over the seats and into the front seat. He 365 00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:07,760 Speaker 1: saw me with my phone and he tried to get it, 366 00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:10,560 Speaker 1: and I moved my hand, but I hit my hand 367 00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:12,720 Speaker 1: on the door and my phone dropped in between the 368 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:15,560 Speaker 1: door and the seat, and he's trying to get it. 369 00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:18,760 Speaker 1: I'm trying to drive, and when he realized he couldn't 370 00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:21,480 Speaker 1: get it, that's when he tries to slit my throat 371 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:25,200 Speaker 1: and I'm fighting him, trying to drive, and my kids 372 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:27,400 Speaker 1: are screaming in the back seat. I'm trying to keep 373 00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:29,800 Speaker 1: the knife away from any part of my body. And 374 00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:33,880 Speaker 1: I see a telephone pole on the right hand side 375 00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:37,240 Speaker 1: of the road, and my first thought is he's not 376 00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:40,199 Speaker 1: wearing a seatbelt. If I hit that pole, if I 377 00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:43,200 Speaker 1: go fast enough, he'll go through the windshield if I 378 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:45,040 Speaker 1: if I don't go fast enough, he'll at least hit 379 00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:47,399 Speaker 1: his head hard enough to where he may maybe dazed. 380 00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:51,360 Speaker 1: And I can fight him off. And and finished talking 381 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:55,879 Speaker 1: to our calling do something, Um, so I swerve up 382 00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:58,719 Speaker 1: into the grass man Dorothy tom Cras could use you 383 00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:02,359 Speaker 1: on mission impossible. So you have the wherewithal? I can't 384 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:05,560 Speaker 1: believe this. You have the wherewithal. This guy is trying 385 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:07,919 Speaker 1: to slit your throat. As a matter of fact, he 386 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:11,760 Speaker 1: slashes you all the way across your chest, over your heart. 387 00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:15,120 Speaker 1: You have the wherewithal to say, there's a telephone pole. 388 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:18,560 Speaker 1: We all have on our seatbelts. He doesn't. How did 389 00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:22,240 Speaker 1: you keep the knife away from your neck? Um, I'm 390 00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:25,920 Speaker 1: driving with one hand and I'm constantly switching hands depending 391 00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:29,320 Speaker 1: on on where the knife was. I was constantly switching hands, 392 00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:32,639 Speaker 1: keeping my hand one hand on the steering wheel and 393 00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:35,720 Speaker 1: the other hand fighting. Really, it was my right hand 394 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:39,480 Speaker 1: because I'm I'm right handed, so um, I was mainly 395 00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:42,280 Speaker 1: using my right hand to fight him off. UM, and 396 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:45,280 Speaker 1: I managed to push him and so he went for 397 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:47,959 Speaker 1: your throat. He went for your throat with a knife. 398 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:50,919 Speaker 1: He went for my throat first, and then um tried 399 00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:54,600 Speaker 1: my side and then my legs. Um. He he was 400 00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:58,600 Speaker 1: trying to do some damage. He was not just messing around. 401 00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:02,960 Speaker 1: So um. So how he slashed you all the way 402 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:05,920 Speaker 1: across your chest at the time, when you were slashed 403 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:08,520 Speaker 1: with a knife across your chest, over your heart, did 404 00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:11,639 Speaker 1: you even feel the pain or were you in shot? 405 00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:16,200 Speaker 1: What happened? I didn't feel anything, um, but I thought 406 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:19,960 Speaker 1: bigger and better batter than you have tried to end me. 407 00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:26,040 Speaker 1: And it's not going down like this. So um when 408 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:28,879 Speaker 1: so you make for the telephone, thank you? And I 409 00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:32,960 Speaker 1: missed it. I was mad, um, but I slammed on 410 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:37,240 Speaker 1: the brakes and uh it kind of gave him, gave 411 00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:39,640 Speaker 1: enough momentum where I could push him into the passenger 412 00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:43,240 Speaker 1: seat and I put it in park and I'm and 413 00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:46,720 Speaker 1: I'm now I'm earnestly trying to get his knife away 414 00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:50,800 Speaker 1: from him. It wasn't just the knife, It wasn't just 415 00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:53,640 Speaker 1: the knife attacked Listen. She struggled to get the knife 416 00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:56,399 Speaker 1: away and says Martinez bitter. She has the marks on 417 00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:58,680 Speaker 1: her hand to prove it. When I managed to push 418 00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:02,000 Speaker 1: him off, landed with his back against my passenger seat, 419 00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:04,080 Speaker 1: and that's when I took my fist and I punched 420 00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:05,399 Speaker 1: him in the face and I told him to get 421 00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:08,320 Speaker 1: out of my car. Martinez did, and while he ran away, 422 00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:11,280 Speaker 1: Baker hit him with her car. That wasn't my intention. 423 00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:14,000 Speaker 1: I was trying to stop him so he didn't hurt 424 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:18,119 Speaker 1: anybody else, and he messed the throng woman. And you 425 00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:20,879 Speaker 1: don't come after a woman with kids. I just can't 426 00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:25,040 Speaker 1: even take in, Ashley Willcott everything she's saying. You get 427 00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:27,879 Speaker 1: in your car from CVS in the middle of the 428 00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:32,600 Speaker 1: it's ten in the morning, and drive off, and only 429 00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:35,600 Speaker 1: when your son unlocks the seatbelt and tries to get 430 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:38,000 Speaker 1: in the back to get the donuts and says, hey, 431 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:41,520 Speaker 1: who are you do? You find out a purv is 432 00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:45,760 Speaker 1: in the back with a knife, grabs your son, holds 433 00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:51,960 Speaker 1: it to his throat and demands money. It's it's like 434 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:55,240 Speaker 1: a horrible movie, Ashley. You can't even imagine the shock 435 00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:56,960 Speaker 1: that you would experience, but I would say this a 436 00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:59,080 Speaker 1: couple of things won a ball. First of all, I'm 437 00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:01,440 Speaker 1: a Texas girl. I'm so proud of this lady because 438 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:04,120 Speaker 1: this is amazing. Second of all, which of us as 439 00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:07,159 Speaker 1: parents wouldn't do whatever we have due to protect our children. 440 00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:09,840 Speaker 1: I think that's the significant piece here. She had two 441 00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:12,879 Speaker 1: children in the car. You're gonna do whatever it takes 442 00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:15,119 Speaker 1: as a mama bear to protect your children, and she 443 00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:18,280 Speaker 1: was brave enough to do it. To Brian Russell, Dr. 444 00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:21,879 Speaker 1: Brian Russell, lawyer, psychologist, host of I d S Fatal Vows, 445 00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:26,160 Speaker 1: I mean you brought up some people call this vigilante justice. 446 00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:29,800 Speaker 1: I say it's self defense, no jury in their First 447 00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:31,920 Speaker 1: of all, any prosecutor that put this lady up to 448 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:33,879 Speaker 1: the grand jury to get her indicted for running the 449 00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:36,399 Speaker 1: guy down, he would be voted. He she would be 450 00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:40,280 Speaker 1: voted out of office next term, and a jury would 451 00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:43,280 Speaker 1: laugh the prosecutor out of court. No way. She needs 452 00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:47,120 Speaker 1: a medal, not a felony charge of running the guy down. 453 00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:50,200 Speaker 1: I'm glad she ran him down. Brian, and too and 454 00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:52,399 Speaker 1: I this this is something that you know, you and 455 00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:56,680 Speaker 1: I have talked about before. I can't understand how anybody 456 00:27:57,080 --> 00:28:01,240 Speaker 1: listening to this could see it differently than But unfortunately 457 00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:04,640 Speaker 1: that you know, I'm continually amazed in this country that 458 00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:07,480 Speaker 1: there are people who will see this and go, well, 459 00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:10,439 Speaker 1: we can't have that. We're gonna have to make a 460 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:14,400 Speaker 1: statement here that we're not going after people on our 461 00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:17,360 Speaker 1: own taking the launch our own hands. Come on, give 462 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:19,280 Speaker 1: me a break. This woman is a hero. I'll give 463 00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:20,920 Speaker 1: her a medal and be done with it. What I'd 464 00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:23,240 Speaker 1: to say about that is b S and that's a 465 00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:27,919 Speaker 1: very technical legal term. Joseph Scott Morgan. Uh, she this 466 00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:29,679 Speaker 1: case will be laughed out of court if somebody try 467 00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:33,160 Speaker 1: to put a charge on and uh, particularly amongst our 468 00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:37,760 Speaker 1: friends in Texas. Uh, I can I can see. I 469 00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:40,320 Speaker 1: can see them laughing the sky or gal out of 470 00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:42,200 Speaker 1: the out of the courthouse if they try to bring 471 00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:46,600 Speaker 1: this four grand jury for an indictment. Um. Again, I 472 00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:50,920 Speaker 1: am amazed at what she was doing. Look, vigilant. Vigilantism 473 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:52,800 Speaker 1: to me is like you make a plan, you go 474 00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:55,040 Speaker 1: out and you you know, you go out and take revenge. 475 00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:59,040 Speaker 1: This woman is acting, She is acting her her you 476 00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:02,720 Speaker 1: know her, her her heart is pumping, she's thinking about 477 00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:06,080 Speaker 1: fighting flight and she's gonna do whatever she has to 478 00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:08,560 Speaker 1: do to protect her babies. And that's what this is 479 00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:13,200 Speaker 1: all about, guys. If Smail Martinez gets a knife and 480 00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:18,320 Speaker 1: gets into Dorothy Baker's backseat and waits, waits like a wolf, 481 00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:21,000 Speaker 1: like a fox, like a coyote, for her and her 482 00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:23,880 Speaker 1: little boys to get back in, well she turned the 483 00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:29,520 Speaker 1: tables on him, Dorothy. After this guy bit, you attacked, 484 00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:33,440 Speaker 1: you hit, you, try to slice your throat, your legs 485 00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:37,440 Speaker 1: sliced across your heart and your chest. You punch him 486 00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:41,560 Speaker 1: in the nose and somehow forced him out of the car. 487 00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:45,960 Speaker 1: Then what happened, Well, he when he bit in my hand, 488 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:47,320 Speaker 1: he was he was trying to get me to let 489 00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:49,960 Speaker 1: go of his knife because I had his nice by then. Um, 490 00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:52,560 Speaker 1: and I've got the scars on my hand to prove. Wait, 491 00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:57,280 Speaker 1: you manage to disarm Smail Martinez. You've got the knife 492 00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:00,760 Speaker 1: away from from him, and and that's why you bit 493 00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:02,560 Speaker 1: my hand. He did you punch him in the face? 494 00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:04,600 Speaker 1: I did? I did you punch him in the face? 495 00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:07,440 Speaker 1: I where did it land? I hope in the nose, 496 00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:10,440 Speaker 1: because that really hurt. I had the knife in my 497 00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:12,920 Speaker 1: right hand and he bit my hand. And when he 498 00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:15,400 Speaker 1: realized that I wasn't gonna let go. He just kind 499 00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:17,840 Speaker 1: of looked at me, and I switched the knife with 500 00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:21,040 Speaker 1: from my right hand to my left hand, and I 501 00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:24,080 Speaker 1: just pulled off and and punched him square in the jaw, 502 00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:28,080 Speaker 1: and he looked at me shocked. Yeah, this whole thing 503 00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:32,280 Speaker 1: had totally gone sideways for him. Listen, today, a family 504 00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:35,600 Speaker 1: is safe because of one mother's brave act. You don't 505 00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:38,280 Speaker 1: come after people with kids. And I told him that 506 00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:44,080 Speaker 1: he messed with the wrong which Dorothy Baker and her 507 00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:47,600 Speaker 1: two young children were shopping at a CBS and Baytown, Texas, 508 00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:51,040 Speaker 1: when police say fifty four year old Ismael Martinez hid 509 00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:53,880 Speaker 1: in Baker's unlocked van and he popped up out of 510 00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:58,480 Speaker 1: the back seat and said that if I didn't want 511 00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:00,960 Speaker 1: my kids to get hurt, that I would do exactly 512 00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:03,120 Speaker 1: what he said. I didn't mean to run him over. 513 00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:06,120 Speaker 1: I was just trying to stop him so he didn't 514 00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:09,120 Speaker 1: hurt anybody else. So that's her story and she is 515 00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:12,960 Speaker 1: sticking to it. You're hearing Katie r K t VS 516 00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:16,880 Speaker 1: Pougia Lodia speaking with our superstar Dorothy Baker, who was 517 00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:21,040 Speaker 1: with us right now. A carjacker sneaks into mommy's car 518 00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:23,760 Speaker 1: as she's in the chords as I call it the CVS, 519 00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:26,240 Speaker 1: where there are two little boys, two of six. When 520 00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:28,640 Speaker 1: they get back in the car, he's hiding in the 521 00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:32,360 Speaker 1: back seat with a knife. But not only did Dorothy 522 00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:36,280 Speaker 1: Baker manage to punch him in the face, she wrestled 523 00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:40,240 Speaker 1: the knife away from Ismael Martinez, kicks him out of 524 00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:47,280 Speaker 1: the minivan and then whoopsie runs over him. So, Dorothy Baker, 525 00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:49,160 Speaker 1: when all of this is happening and with me right 526 00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:52,719 Speaker 1: now from Baytown, Texas, Dorothy Baker, what are your boys 527 00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:57,880 Speaker 1: doing during all of this? Um? At some point, my 528 00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:03,040 Speaker 1: my youngest at the time he was he had stopped crying. UM. 529 00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:07,400 Speaker 1: And my five year old he actually hid. He really didn't, 530 00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:10,560 Speaker 1: he didn't do much anything. He was in shock. I 531 00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:13,920 Speaker 1: mean when when the guy grabbed him, I could see 532 00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:17,480 Speaker 1: my like all the life go out of my son's face. Uh. 533 00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:20,440 Speaker 1: So that was that was not a good it's not 534 00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:24,840 Speaker 1: a good feeling. So UM, but my kids they were 535 00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:27,160 Speaker 1: they were safe and they didn't get hurt. There was 536 00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:30,040 Speaker 1: no no cuts on them, no, no nothing. Well, let 537 00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:33,400 Speaker 1: me ask you, this one goes into basically shot mode, 538 00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:35,440 Speaker 1: which one was in shock and which one was screaming 539 00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:37,560 Speaker 1: his head off. My two year old he was the 540 00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:41,120 Speaker 1: one in the car seat screaming, and my older boy, 541 00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:43,280 Speaker 1: five year old, he was the one that went into shock. 542 00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:47,080 Speaker 1: To Dorothy Baker joining me, Now do you remember the 543 00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:50,200 Speaker 1: moment you hit the gas and mowed him down? Yeah? 544 00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:53,800 Speaker 1: I do. I was watching him run away, and what 545 00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:56,960 Speaker 1: went through my head was he was he was at Kroger's. 546 00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:59,520 Speaker 1: He he was close enough to walk there. He didn't 547 00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:02,120 Speaker 1: have a vehicle, he had a knife this time. What 548 00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:03,719 Speaker 1: happens if I see him next time and he has 549 00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:06,480 Speaker 1: a gun and I have all my kids, or what 550 00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:10,920 Speaker 1: happens if there's a mother who doesn't it isn't going 551 00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:14,000 Speaker 1: to be able to help her kids, and she panics 552 00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:17,000 Speaker 1: and she's got a baby, and he goes after her. 553 00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:21,360 Speaker 1: And I thought to myself, I'll be darned if I'm 554 00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:25,200 Speaker 1: gonna let that happen and watch him walk away. And 555 00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:29,080 Speaker 1: my intention was as he was running away, was I 556 00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:32,280 Speaker 1: went after him, and I had my door to where 557 00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:33,800 Speaker 1: I was going to open it and hit him with it. 558 00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:37,920 Speaker 1: And when we were when I was driving behind him, 559 00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:43,320 Speaker 1: he made a swerve and I had sped up just 560 00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:46,040 Speaker 1: just right then at I guess the perfect time, and 561 00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:50,480 Speaker 1: I heard him hit my tires, and the only thing 562 00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:52,240 Speaker 1: I thought after that was, oh my god, I'm going 563 00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:56,040 Speaker 1: to jail because I just killed this man. What's gonna 564 00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:59,560 Speaker 1: happen to my kids? Dorothy, at that time, you had 565 00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:03,840 Speaker 1: no idea that this guy had already done hard jail 566 00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:06,840 Speaker 1: time on a rape conviction. No, I didn't know he 567 00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:11,400 Speaker 1: was stalking you at the grocery store. Didn't matter that 568 00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:14,120 Speaker 1: you had two little children. He got in your car 569 00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:16,440 Speaker 1: with a knife, knowing you would get back in. He 570 00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:19,799 Speaker 1: knew which car you got out of. He watched you 571 00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:22,960 Speaker 1: leave Kroeger and grow across the street. He followed you, 572 00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:26,880 Speaker 1: he got into your car and was waiting on you. 573 00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:30,840 Speaker 1: I think the whole a t M thing was a ruse. 574 00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:35,560 Speaker 1: I think he was after you or your children. Um 575 00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:39,239 Speaker 1: to Nicole Parton joining me Crime online dot Com investigative 576 00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:42,920 Speaker 1: reporter Martinez had already done hard jail time for rape. 577 00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:46,600 Speaker 1: What happened to him after he gets run down by Dorothy? 578 00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:50,480 Speaker 1: That's true. This guy obviously no saint a sexual offender. 579 00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:53,560 Speaker 1: He had been jailed on this rape conviction. Um, But 580 00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:57,360 Speaker 1: thanks to Dorothy, not anymore. He of course was injured. 581 00:34:57,360 --> 00:34:59,640 Speaker 1: He was air flighted to the hospital where he was 582 00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:04,160 Speaker 1: going to be charged once he was released from the hospital, 583 00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:07,640 Speaker 1: pending the outcome. So this guy was life flighted. Yes, 584 00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:13,680 Speaker 1: he was in serious condition for some reason. I'm not crying. Uh, 585 00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:19,560 Speaker 1: Dorothy Baker with us, Dorothy, when you got your children 586 00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:24,279 Speaker 1: home and they were safe, what what did they want 587 00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:26,680 Speaker 1: to know? What were their questions? Well, the two that 588 00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:28,799 Speaker 1: were with me, they didn't really have any The other 589 00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:32,239 Speaker 1: ones they were they were making sure that we were okay. 590 00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:35,200 Speaker 1: You know, they saw the cuts and they asked me 591 00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:37,920 Speaker 1: if I needed to go to the hospital, you know, 592 00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:41,120 Speaker 1: if I was okay, if we just kind of um 593 00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:46,800 Speaker 1: hugged and and we're happy that everybody was was safe. 594 00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:51,520 Speaker 1: In the month, the weeks and months that followed the incident, 595 00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:56,400 Speaker 1: How did that affect your boys? They were very reserved 596 00:35:56,600 --> 00:36:01,560 Speaker 1: and even to this day, my two year old, he, um, 597 00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:06,319 Speaker 1: he's very weary about people. He doesn't he doesn't like anybody. UM. 598 00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:12,560 Speaker 1: So if he if he does, it's it's almost a miracle. Um. 599 00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:16,680 Speaker 1: He's he's very quiet at school. UM. Even my ten 600 00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:20,600 Speaker 1: year old he's he's very quiet. And there we just 601 00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:24,440 Speaker 1: basically stay for ourselves. Honestly. Um, they go to school, 602 00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:27,879 Speaker 1: I go to work, they come home, and that's that's 603 00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:31,319 Speaker 1: pretty much the extent of our our lives. Do you 604 00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:35,600 Speaker 1: feel that it changed your life? Yeah? It did. I mean, 605 00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:41,400 Speaker 1: it's not something that you want to ever go through. UM. 606 00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:44,239 Speaker 1: Lucky for me, I'm a I'm a chronic over overthinker 607 00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:49,920 Speaker 1: and over analyzer. So, UM, I put myself in certain 608 00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:52,040 Speaker 1: scenarios and try to figure out what I would do 609 00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:56,759 Speaker 1: if this would happen. And mainly the conclusion that I 610 00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:59,560 Speaker 1: always come to is if I panic, I'm not going 611 00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:03,359 Speaker 1: to serve if any of the situations. Um. And that's 612 00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:06,840 Speaker 1: one thing that you know, I want other people to 613 00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:10,880 Speaker 1: understand is that no matter what happens, if you panic, 614 00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:13,800 Speaker 1: it's gonna make a situation where you have to stay 615 00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:18,560 Speaker 1: calm and clearheaded so you can think logically about what's 616 00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:21,319 Speaker 1: going to happen and what you can do to get 617 00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:25,359 Speaker 1: out of the situation. UM. That's that's the most important thing. 618 00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:30,200 Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's not something that you you ever 619 00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:34,200 Speaker 1: think could happen to you. Um. Has it changed the 620 00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:38,719 Speaker 1: way that you behave or how you travel or how 621 00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:42,120 Speaker 1: you go around with your children. It is. UM. It 622 00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:45,640 Speaker 1: always did. I didn't drive my van and I actually 623 00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:48,440 Speaker 1: got rid of it. UM. I still to this day, 624 00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:50,840 Speaker 1: UM will not let my kids in the car until 625 00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:55,640 Speaker 1: I've looked in the car. UM. I I'm always very 626 00:37:55,800 --> 00:38:00,520 Speaker 1: um observance of my surroundings and the people around me. UM. 627 00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:03,319 Speaker 1: I watch if they're following the earth, are going in 628 00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:07,400 Speaker 1: the same direction. UM. If I feel like someone's following me, 629 00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:11,319 Speaker 1: I'll make detours to see things like that. I mean, 630 00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:15,040 Speaker 1: it's it's made me very very interesting of people. Just 631 00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:17,400 Speaker 1: so you know, I have done a little research on 632 00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:25,400 Speaker 1: Ismael Martinez, the same Ismael Martinez was sentenced to thirty 633 00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:33,160 Speaker 1: years on aggravated robbery. He also had possession of an 634 00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:40,239 Speaker 1: illegal substance, arson, burglary in the building, and rape. On 635 00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:43,640 Speaker 1: the rape charge, he had gotten forty years, but he 636 00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:48,480 Speaker 1: was out and about. When you look back on this, 637 00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:51,800 Speaker 1: Dorothy Baker, what do you think I think if I 638 00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:55,439 Speaker 1: would have made that left turn, I think he would 639 00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:58,919 Speaker 1: have put to murder. To be honest with you, I don't. 640 00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:02,000 Speaker 1: I don't think he had any intention of of allowing 641 00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:06,560 Speaker 1: me or or my kids to go free. Dorothy Baker 642 00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:09,319 Speaker 1: save not only her life, but the lives of her 643 00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:13,720 Speaker 1: two little boys, and hopefully her story will save other lives. 644 00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:17,960 Speaker 1: Nancy Gray's crime story, signing off Goodbye Friend,