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Speaker 1: Now Here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to Coast to Coast George Nori with you.

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Speaker 2: Patty Negri is called the Good Witch and a psychic medium,

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Speaker 2: best known for her recurring role on the Travel Channel

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Speaker 2: and Discovery Channels Number one shows Ghost Adventures. Patty's interest

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Speaker 2: in ghosts and the pureanormal take her to haunted places

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Speaker 2: around the world. She hosts a podcast called Psychic Scott

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Speaker 2: Wild Patty, Welcome back, have you been?

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Speaker 3: I have been great to Urge. Thanks for having me back.

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Speaker 2: It's great looking forward to this. How did you get

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Speaker 2: involved in witchcraft?

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Speaker 3: I actually think I was born that way. When I

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Speaker 3: was a little kid in my suburban Long Beach home,

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Speaker 3: I would be in my backyard picking rosemary, picking mint,

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Speaker 3: stuffing it in my mom's wallet, knowing she needed more

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Speaker 3: money and knowing that would give it to her. It's

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Speaker 3: weird because she didn't realize that. She's like, what are

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Speaker 3: you doing. You're putting dirt in my person. No, this

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Speaker 3: is money. Years later, I study herbs and things. It's

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Speaker 3: like I was doing all the right stuff.

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Speaker 2: Did anybody in your family practice witchcraft besides you?

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Speaker 3: No, no, not at all, No and none, but none

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Speaker 3: of it got caught out of me, even like the

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Speaker 3: psychic medium stuff. I would say, like their spirits talking

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Speaker 3: to me, and my mom would go, yeah, Grandma did

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Speaker 3: that too, So I guess somebody did.

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Speaker 2: I knew a witch back in Detroit during my early

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Speaker 2: days in broadcasting. Her name was Gondela, and she was

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Speaker 2: a nice witch. Fiona Horne, nice witch, You're a nice witch.

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Speaker 2: They're all my there. I haven't met a witch I

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Speaker 2: don't like.

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Speaker 3: No. I we're very nice because we take responsibility for

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Speaker 3: ourselves and for our lives. You know, we're very cause

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Speaker 3: and effect, action reaction, kind of karmic people. And Fiona

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Speaker 3: is one of my dear friends. She is a doll.

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Speaker 2: Was it the Wizard of Oz that kind of gave

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Speaker 2: people the wrong impression of certain witches or.

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Speaker 3: The right impression. The reason I go by pretty, the

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Speaker 3: reason I go by good Witch is because I was

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Speaker 3: just in love with Glinda as a little kid. I

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Speaker 3: literally have that big pink, goofy dress that Glinda the

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Speaker 3: Good Witch wears. I have a version of it. I'm

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Speaker 3: still working on trying to show up in a big

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Speaker 3: bubble though.

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Speaker 2: I'll always remember that scene where the house fell on

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Speaker 2: the witch, the wicked witch and her toes curled up. Yes,

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Speaker 3: And that's why it's Hollywood that made witches green. Witches

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Speaker 3: were never green. I think it's whatever studio was MGM

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Speaker 3: or I don't know. This said, Okay, bad people have

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Speaker 3: to be green because they were inventing like Frankenstein and

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Speaker 3: so Hollywood invented witches being bad, witches being green.

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Speaker 2: It also gave them warts on their noses.

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Speaker 3: Exactly.

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Speaker 2: Interesting. Do people confuse witchcraft with Satanism all.

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Speaker 3: The time, And it's so funny because they have nothing

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Speaker 3: the Satanists I don't don't even really believe in satan.

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Speaker 3: It's more of a philosophy than I believe. There's some

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Speaker 3: guy's little devil horns. But satan As in the way

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Speaker 3: we think about it, isn't even in my cosmology. In

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Speaker 3: witchcraft or pagan cosmology.

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Speaker 2: Tell us the benefits of witchcraft.

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Speaker 3: The benefits are we believe we can take fate into

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Speaker 3: our own hands. It's not like water runs down hill

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Speaker 3: and life in its normal path will just kind of

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Speaker 3: run down hill. To me, Witchcraft means I'm going to

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Speaker 3: take some of the water back now to me. Okay,

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Speaker 3: here's a good example.

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Speaker 3: You build that dam. Now a good witch, I will

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Speaker 3: they have all the water they want. That's good magic.

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Speaker 3: I think bad magic would be I take all the water,

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Speaker 3: I don't like this path of my life. I'm going

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Speaker 3: witchcraft they call it by what you do y three.

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Speaker 3: What you put out you get back three times, not

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Speaker 3: even karma. So why would I put out hexes and curses?

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Speaker 3: Why not put out love and abundance because that's what

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Speaker 2: Well, I was going to ask you too, what exactly

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Speaker 3: Which craft is? Basically is kind of the craft of

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Speaker 3: I will mold and take fate and change it as needed.

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Speaker 3: To be a witch can mean two different things. To

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Speaker 3: be a witch can mean it's my belief system, it's

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Speaker 3: my religion. I have a goddess or a multi god

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Speaker 3: I work with nature, So which can mean religion or

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Speaker 3: which can mean I practice the craft of which means

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Speaker 3: you know. You could use lots of different words for it.

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Speaker 1: But it's like, I don't like.

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Speaker 3: How that is, so I'm going to change it passively.

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Speaker 2: Do you cast spells on people?

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Speaker 3: I cast spells, not on people. I will cast spells

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Speaker 3: for people, I won't. I won't cast Like, say, if

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Speaker 3: love of your life. If somebody to me, that's great magic.

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Speaker 3: I help do things I would not if somebody say

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Speaker 3: that's doing something against against somebody's will. You know, if

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Speaker 3: it's supposed to be George, then George will come to them.

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Speaker 3: But that to me is a different of ethical and

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Speaker 2: What about a curse, Patty, Do you ever do that?

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Speaker 3: I do not do that because again I believe that

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Speaker 3: not even the karma. If I live in a world

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Speaker 3: of curses and hexes and I'm sending that person bad juju.

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Speaker 3: Everybody I know who does that, all of a sudden,

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Speaker 3: If you just again, I just I guess I'm the

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Speaker 3: love which just send them out love wish you're what enemies, Well,

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Speaker 3: if then they're not going to bother you. I mean,

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Speaker 3: I will do defensive magic, and I had I've had

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Speaker 2: I don't.

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Speaker 3: I have never found a need to curse anybody or

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Speaker 2: Well, you're not a bad person.

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Speaker 3: I'm not a bad person. Uh. There are bad witches

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Speaker 3: not even judgmental of it. I honestly have really deare

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Speaker 3: but it's just not my path.

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Speaker 2: Now you have an esoteric mystery school, tell me I.

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Speaker 3: Do, yeah, because because I've always been a seeker. I was,

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Speaker 3: you know, seeing spirits, but I wasn't raised with any

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Speaker 3: But I would drive by a church or a temple,

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Speaker 3: But so I was thirteen and I asked, can I

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Speaker 3: go look at all this stuff? And I became a seeker.

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Speaker 3: I'd go to temple and church and the Buddhist temple

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Speaker 3: So when I started my school, I didn't want to

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Speaker 3: say this is a truth. I didn't want to even

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Speaker 3: be a cult. This is this is a truth, this

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Speaker 3: is my truth. I now have about twenty different teachers,

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Speaker 3: all different paths. Our newest one is a Catholic priest, exorcist.

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Speaker 3: My partner is you've worked with him father or had

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Speaker 2: He's a vampire.

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Speaker 3: I have a airwolf teacher who's actually a professor Washington University.

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Speaker 3: He's not awarewolf like, he puts on Furst suits, but

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Speaker 2: Your subject matter runs the gamut from everything too.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I've been teaching a mediumship course and these people

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Speaker 2: Tell us about the students. What type of students come

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Speaker 3: They are the gamut of ages I have, from people

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Speaker 3: good afternoon, good evening, because somebody will be West coast,

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Speaker 3: who are just going wow, something more. I want something more.

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Speaker 3: I don't know what it is, or maybe I do

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Speaker 2: What are they looking for? I think what I think?

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Speaker 3: I think everybody is looking for a way to navigate life.

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Speaker 3: Times are scary. We know that. I mean, times have

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Speaker 3: always been scary, but it's more in our face now,

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Speaker 2: It to go back to.

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Speaker 3: Religion, go back to church, go back to temple. That's

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Speaker 3: not keeping up for everybody. It's not their science, or

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Speaker 3: it's not I don't want to go back to church.

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Speaker 3: So that's why I think the increase in more alternative religions.

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Speaker 3: New Age paganism is huge. Witchcraft is the fastest growing

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Speaker 3: religion in America right now. Right well, Wicca is a

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Speaker 2: But it truly is remarkable.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but I really think that. But some people don't

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Speaker 2: Patty, had you been living in the late sixteen hundreds,

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Speaker 3: I know, I probably was.

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Speaker 2: They executed nineteen people here during that.

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Speaker 2: Yes, they accused two hundred, executed nineteen. But still that's crazy.

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Speaker 3: And most of them weren't even witches anyway.

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Speaker 2: What got them to stop? Finally, I.

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Speaker 3: And then things got weird, and then the witchcraft got

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Speaker 3: I don't know, humans are silly.

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Speaker 2: Of the courses you teach at your university, what are

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Speaker 3: I personally like teaching mediumship development, psychic development, spell casting.

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Speaker 3: The paranormal ones are really popular too, like paranormal investigator classes.

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Speaker 2: You talk about werewolves vampires too, don't you?

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Speaker 3: You bet you yep. Danny Sargent is our werewolf teacher,

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Speaker 3: and again he's a college professor up at Washington State

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Speaker 2: Aren't there people who actually practice vampirism?

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Speaker 3: Well, yes, well there's many kinds of vampirism. If you're sanguinarian,

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Speaker 3: that's somebody who actually drinks blood.

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Speaker 2: The people like.

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Speaker 3: Father Sebastian and I'm under him. I would call myself

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Speaker 3: also a saber to vampire. We don't drink blood. We

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Speaker 3: drink him the energy of life, like when you're at

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Speaker 3: a concert and the music is so good and the

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Speaker 3: people are cheering. It's that kind of feeding. It's it's

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Speaker 3: actually the same as witchcraft, but you just here's the difference.

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Speaker 3: In my witchcraft world, our cloaks are either organic cotton

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Speaker 3: or Stevie Nick's lace. In the vampire world, the cloaks

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Speaker 3: are like black velvet with red satin lining. But it's

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Speaker 3: it's it's beautiful spirituality. It's nature based spirituality. That's what

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Speaker 3: Sebastians is. Yes, he has his parties. He has beautiful

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Speaker 2: Pretty exotic.

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Speaker 3: It's very exotic and beautiful and again embracing life. A

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Speaker 3: little hedonistic, yes, but beautiful and pure and elegant, and

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Speaker 3: everything is gentlemanly and ladylike behavior and top hats. When

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Speaker 3: I when I first met him on Ghost Adventures, we

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Speaker 3: just kind of hit it off really well, and he

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Speaker 3: offered to sing me, and I'm like, well, you're cute now,

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Speaker 3: but I'm married and I don't like vampires. My idea

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Speaker 3: of vampires and me a long practicing, which was, no,

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Speaker 3: I don't like psychic vampires. I've led you take things

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Speaker 3: from people. But I started reading his books, I go,

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Speaker 3: that's not what you guys are at all. You're just

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Speaker 3: like us, only dress it up differently.

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Speaker 2: What about a vampire who sucks blood from the sick

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Speaker 2: person with bad blood? What happens to them?

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Speaker 3: Well, that's why again, I don't know any vampires that

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Speaker 3: suck blood. Everybody I know is not a sanguinariant. I

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Speaker 3: think it's very bad. And I do know of some

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Speaker 3: who do. I don't have and I think now modern day,

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Speaker 3: but people who drink blood, you use an IV, you

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Speaker 3: send it to the doctor. I mean, it's it's like

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Speaker 3: become sterile and everything else. It's not like let me

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Speaker 3: bite into your neck. It's I think you have consenting

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Speaker 3: donors and you have to make sure they are healthy

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Speaker 3: and that you are healthy. And I think all the

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Speaker 3: romance is out of it.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to bite you.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to bite you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, But are you a witch? Twenty four to seven?

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Speaker 3: I have a witch twenty four to seven? I mean

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Speaker 3: I walk my talk, I practice. If you walked into

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Speaker 3: my house. It's like it looks like a witchy house.

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Speaker 3: Whatever that means.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what is a witchy house?

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Speaker 3: I have a sign that says the witches in us.

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Speaker 3: I've got hearts outside. It looks like a little cottage.

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Speaker 2: Do your neighbors know you're a witch?

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Speaker 3: Everybody knows I'm a witch. Everybody knows that let their little.

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Speaker 2: Kids come and play around your house and stuff they do.

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Speaker 3: And I haven't baked a single one of them yet.

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Speaker 2: You haven't turned them into gingerbread yet.

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Speaker 3: I'm not that good of a cook.

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Speaker 2: I love that. But you, but you are a witch?

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Speaker 2: Twenty four to seven.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it's just who I am. It's not

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Speaker 3: what I do. Again, even before I knew what a

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Speaker 3: I was communing with nature. What my craft is is

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Speaker 3: my church is our little planet which needs it.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 3: I follow moon cycles and sabbots and seasons, and I

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Speaker 3: think what I'm glad that's coming up is because it

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Speaker 3: really does give you a responsibility and an earth awareness.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I like to play with fairies and things,

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Speaker 3: and people are starting to see, you know, just like

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Speaker 3: ghosts are bigger than ever, in paranormal encryptids and aliens,

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Speaker 3: the veil is thinning. People are starting to see fairies

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Speaker 3: and gnomes and because they've always been there, but I

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